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Dan Schaefer is going to be joining us after the 930 News shock.

There was breaking news yesterday.

I was kind of surprised it came down on a Thursday.

Well, I mean, honestly, Jane, really, in the world we live in now of a 24 hour news cycle, there's really no such thing, I think, as the

We've seen very well now, there's no such thing as the Friday night news dump where they get rid of all the trash.

News breaks

all day,

any day.

So really when it comes to, I'm not surprised it happened, but there was a massive major announcement from Governor Tony Evers yesterday.

He is not gonna be running for a third term.

So we're gonna talk about that with Dan Schaefer.

I know Dan was on with Todd yesterday as this news was breaking and then now we have two people

officially

officially on the Democratic side yes who have announced that they are gonna be running they're jumping in yep so we're gonna kick that around with Dan Schaefer coming up after 9 30 I hope you can stick around for that also coming up for you today on the show in hour number two

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Thank you, Calvin.

We were in Madison on Wednesday for our annual meeting where they beat us about the fast face and neck with sticks.

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Today it's a boo-boo fashion edition.

Stay tuned for that.

Want to start off with this investigative report from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Even when and Gina Lee Castro have the byline, the headline reads, ICE arrests in Wisconsin, double under Trump, the sharpest jump,

involves people without criminal records.

The Trump administration promised us, going into this, criminals, rapists, the worst of the worst, Greg.

The worst of the worst are gonna be the ones that are the focus of these ICE deportations.

And now they're just kinda grabbing anybody.

There are some very, very disturbing stories coming out about people

who have the legal right to be here, who get grabbed up in these ice raids, and then they're disappeared for a month, month and a half.

And then eventually they're released because the government made a mistake.

This should be concerning for all of

us.

Yes, it should absolutely be concerning.

There's a couple of thoughts I have on this.

And the first one is, as we mentioned before on earlier shows, when someone is taken incorrectly by mistake of the government, it's then up to the family to not only get them back, but to find them.

And the government, the federal government is really big on just sending them wherever they want now.

They're not being sent back to their home countries in cases.

They're being sent to El Salvador.

Maybe they were sent to that.

I won't even call the nickname that prison they built.

I just won't call it that.

Cause I

think, I think it's, I think it's a, they're trying to make it a fun, cool thing.

And this is a disgusting action, but there's that point.

But also just the notion of.

They as you said there was supposed to be the criminals.

It was supposed

to be the worst of the

worst And if it's okay for them If they are okay with them of the matter of taking up people who are here legally Or

even going through the legal process because that's happened to

yes Yes, and if they're okay with doing that if they're okay with saying well, we know that some people are gonna be will make some mistakes

What are the next mistakes that they're not going to care that much about?

Because they don't care.

They don't care that they've made the mistake.

They're never saying, oh, we apologize to Kilmorrow, Briggo Garcia.

They never apologized to any of these individuals.

It's, it's, yeah, we messed up, but too bad.

We got stuff to do.

My point is, that's a long-winded point.

I apologize is that this is the definition to me of a slippery slope.

It starts with we are going to deport the criminals.

Okay.

You've deported people who are either.

here legally or on their way to legal immigration status.

Who's next then?

Is it green car holders who just get

routed out, is it going to be people who are naturalized citizens?

And this has all happened, by the way.

And he's talked about that.

He has talked about denaturalizing people who have been naturalized citizens.

He has talked about getting rid of just Americans he thinks are bad people who are born here.

He has said those words.

He's on record saying that at a press conference with Kristi Noem, as I mentioned once before, he said this sitting behind the seal of the president, I want to get rid of people who are bad and they've been born here.

So the slippery slope is there and they are a part of it.

And this is honestly, this isn't surprising.

These numbers aren't surprising to me.

They're not.

They shouldn't be to anyone.

It's not what we were promised.

It's not what we were told.

This is not what we were told.

We're talking about an investigative report in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about ICE arrests here in Wisconsin, which had more than doubled since Donald Trump took office in January, but arrests of immigrants without criminal convictions.

saw the sharpest jump.

The data does include still pending criminal charges for some as well as those without any criminal record.

But again, we've seen this now where people are showing up for their immigration hearings.

The judge cancels the hearing.

They go outside and get arrested by ICE.

These people are following the process we set up for them.

And then we arrest

them.

Jane, I just wish that these individuals would do it the right way, would do it the legal

way.

And these folks are doing it the right way.

Oh, then I have no, that my argument falls flat on that then.

It's, you are innocent until presumed guilty.

So even if they are on trial or if they've been currently being prosecuted, they do not, they are not guilty at that point.

They should not be deported.

The moment they're found guilty.

And I hate that we have to say this, but it's the fact that nobody here is saying, let the criminals stay.

Let the terrible people stay.

That is kind of across the board.

Everyone's like, yes, the ones who are bad actors, the ones who are criminals, we'll get rid of them.

But our legal system is based on due process.

And our legal system is based on innocent until proven guilty.

And you want ICE waiting until the guilty?

verdict, whatever.

I'm not even a fan of that, per se, just them standing around waiting.

But if they're going through the process, and that includes our legal process, then they deserve to stay here.

They're doing the things they were asked to do, which takes so much time.

I'm reading Felipe Torres Medina's book,

and

I would never even think about trying to get a visa.

Yeah, it's so

overwhelming.

It really is an overwhelming process and it's expensive.

It's not free.

None of this stuff comes without a price tag.

The Biden administration largely focused on people convicted of violent felonies.

Trump's strategy is leading to a sharp arrest of undocumented immigrants without criminal backgrounds.

And we can tie this back to Stephen Miller and his dictate of 3,000 arrests a day.

Quotas.

law enforcement seem to be a bad idea.

I

agree.

I agree.

And that, that 3,000 arrests a day equates to 1,095,000 people a year.

There are, you know, depending on who you talk to, the numbers you get, there aren't the amount of undocumented folks here.

That's going to be fast because also, like, like we said, they're not going to just be getting rid of undocumented folks.

They're going to be getting rid of people who are.

Here with some sort of temporary stay order some sort of a green card something that allows them to be here legally But that doesn't matter to old Stevie Miller.

He just wants to get rid of he just wants to get rid of brown people Let's just

essentially he

just wants to get rid of your brown get out.

You don't you're not American Sorry that you were born your parents were had you here.

You're still an American

Just a little put a little bow on this Monday the Department of Defense announced it had given out a massive new contract to build America's largest

migrant detention camp on the Fort Bliss military base.

One of the subcontractors who got this work, Nathan Albers.

Mr. Albers co-owned a company that pled guilty in 2019 to his scheme to hire undocumented workers and hire them from immigration authorities.

But we're going to put him as a subcontractor to build a new camp for migrant detention.

All perfectly normal.

Again, question stands.

I ask it all the time.

People who voted for Donald Trump make that make sense to me.

Tell me why I am crazy for even asking the questions, but it seems like to me that we are being lied to.

They are doing what they want.

And we're hiring and giving our tax money to guys like that who you should hate.

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We're not going to spend a lot of time on this, but this did kind of jump out at me because Donald Trump never gets corrected in real time, even when he's so blatantly wrong, like saying, guess, is it down to a buck 99?

Five states, $1.99.

Yeah, gas is nowhere is gas $1.99.

Nowhere.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

But

again, he says these things to reporters and no one ever fact checks him because they want to keep their access open.

Well, this guy decided to fact check him in real time.

Trump, a company Jerome Powell, the head of the Federal Reserve yesterday,

They are doing some upgrades to the Federal Reserve Building, so Trump went with Powell yesterday to examine the site.

We have a clip from that little exchange, Calvin.

Can we play that, please?

The overruns of the expenses wanted to figure out why.

So we're taking a look and it looks like it's about 3.1 billion, one up a little bit or a lot.

So the 2.7 is now 3.1.

That's Jerome

Powell.

He's

got a piece of paper.

Trump.

Thanks, Tim.

Big help

from

us.

Yes.

I don't know who does that.

You're including the Martin

renovation.

You just

added in the third building.

It's

a building that's being built.

It was built five

years

ago.

We finished Martin five years ago.

It's

part of the overall work.

It's not new.

So we're going to take a look.

Jerome Powell, will you be my new best friend?

Because honestly, you need to watch the video because as soon as

the president says $3.1 billion.

His eyes just go like, excuse me,

what,

what happened?

Like, Hey, what, what now?

And, and just the disappointment when he goes, you added the Martin building, like just that was completed

five years ago.

Yeah.

It's tired of the part of the total work.

And I, and, and man, a hard hat off to Tim Scott for just always, no matter what happens, he will always back up the president.

There's never, like, like,

I hate peanut butter and jelly.

I hate peanut butter and jelly, too.

It's terrible.

It's the worst sandwich on earth.

But I have to wonder, so Jerome Powell and Donald's President Trump are both wearing hard hats.

Yes.

Because it is a construction site.

Tim Scott, who heads up this committee that is overseeing this construction, is not wearing a hard hat.

And they didn't care that much about Tim or what's up with that.

We only have two hard

hats left, so I'm sorry, Senator.

It should be fine.

But yeah, it's just...

We shouldn't be getting Joey out of this, but my joy comes from the fact that someone had the nerve to stand up and say, no, you are wrong.

And I have the information you need and correct yourself.

Nope.

We're going to take a look at it and they moves on.

And I will guarantee you dollars to donuts as soon as the two men separated wherever Donald Trump got.

Flop sweat anger just because he does he hates being he hates being conscious.

He's

never wrong Greg.

He said that he is never wrong So anyway reporters, I don't know look at that clip from time to time.

Yeah, just as a reminder You can actually follow up with corrections.

It's a crazy thought.

I know it's

Ronnie and horror con says I've watched that clip

10 times and the shot and for what I feel is chef's kiss.

Thank you very much.

Ronnie listening on WA UK

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Big news yesterday.

Yeah, what do you want to talk about today?

Oh, nothing.

Let's just talk.

Like Greg said, we're just going to talk recipes.

I was surprised he didn't wait until today when Governor Ebers announced yesterday that he is not going to run for a third term.

Yeah, you thought he was going to do like a Friday news dump.

It would be a Friday dump, right?

You wait till one o'clock in the afternoon and then you go on your way.

Yeah, you know, it's obviously been the hot topic for the past few weeks.

Everswatch, hashtag Everswatch.

Now you can go about

vacation plans.

You can do

whatever

you need to do.

You don't have to worry about the news dropping while you're not available.

That's right.

And it seemed like it was going to drop last week.

I think they got spooked by the word getting out in a couple of different places, reporting it, including John Mercure over at 620 WTMJ.

And I think they got spooked by that, wanted to do things on their own terms.

So waited a few more days and then made the announcement at high noon yesterday.

Governor Evers and his team put out that video announcing that he would not be seeking a third term.

So I think, you know, obviously a huge moment for Wisconsin.

As you might imagine, it's a decision I agree with.

You know, I wrote the piece about six weeks ago now, arguing that Tony Evers should step aside and not run for a third term.

And now that he has made that very decision, I got to commend the governor for a bold and courageous decision and selfless decision.

Yes.

Because I think some other folks in the same position could look at the landscape and say, hey, I might win again.

You know, even if I'm, you know, 70, 73 years old right now, I could still win again.

He's, as somebody mentioned when we were on Todd Alba's show yesterday, he's undefeated as a statewide candidate three times as state superintendent won twice as governor.

So he's going out with an undefeated record as a statewide candidate, which is pretty impressive.

But, you know, I think.

Tony Evers, so often the refrain that we've heard from him as governor is, I will always do the right thing for Wisconsin.

And I think once again, in this decision, he's doing the right thing for Wisconsin.

This is the right thing.

This is the right decision to make.

And I gotta give props to him for it.

And I think that it is a bold and selfless decision.

And it is the right decision.

It is time to pass the torch.

It is time for a new generation of leaders in the state of Wisconsin.

by stepping aside, he's going to allow that next generation to take shape.

And I think that's really important.

Well, and this was kind of evidenced even by his fundraising dollars, right?

I mean, he wasn't coming in with gobs and gobs and gobs of money, which normally by this point, I would imagine he'd have a pretty big war chest.

He's been

a very good fundraiser.

Yeah.

And he did not.

have a particularly good I mean compared to four years ago compared to other candidates it was still pretty good but it was you know compared to four years ago when he had I think like five million dollars raised in the same time period it was like less than a million dollars something like that so you know I think the writing was on the wall there

And I think the announcement seemed kind of inevitable from that.

You always got to follow the money instead of taking people with their word when it comes to politics.

And once we saw those dollars, it seems like things were headed in that direction.

It had seemed like things were headed in that direction really since he signed the state budget in that weird marathon session that they had for him to sign it at 1.30 in the morning.

It seems like things have been heading in that direction since then.

And then, yeah, just making the big announcement yesterday.

I think what we have you, luckily we have you for a little bit longer today and

we have

a lot to talk about.

And there's first thing I want to do is I want to put the word out.

I want to put the question out to everyone listening and watching on the live stream.

How do you feel about this?

Because going back to your article from weeks ago, there was a lot of pushback from our listeners from, from, you know, from the regular voters out there from, you know, you, you, you took your arrows for putting out your.

Pinion piece by the way, it

was an opinion

piece on the matter, but I would like to know what do you think about Governor Evers decision not to run for a third term Are you excited?

Are you nervous?

I mean, I'm sure you could probably a combination of both but 8 5 5 7 5 2 8 5 5 7 5 civic to let us know or Texas on Texas on the app as well Yeah, if you want to yell at me on the air go ahead

Well

the thing is is I you know there are people out there and then this is this is a

any party in politics where they will tow the party line.

They'll say, Governor Evers is the best governor ever.

He should seek a third term.

Of course he's going to.

And the moment he says, no, I won't be doing it.

Governor Evers is going to be the best governor ever.

He's such a wonderful man for stepping down and he's

brave and

blah, blah, blah.

So I

just kind of want to

get a feeling for what people are going through right now as far as hearing the information on it.

And the other thing too, you said, well, the notion of looking at

a third term and saying well I could win this but also I think sometimes what politicians who who honestly have a good altruistic heart will say something to the effect of themselves well I'm the one who can do this I know I mean he's we've reported before or you've reported before I've just talked about it he is consistently the most popular politician in Wisconsin he's got

good numbers of people like him.

They trust him.

So why wouldn't a man like that who I believe has the best interests of Wisconsin say, well, it's really tumultuous right now.

And I don't want to, but I really don't know if anyone else can do it.

I don't know if anyone else can win that seat besides me.

And he didn't.

He said, it's time for me to use your parlance past the torch.

And I think, you know, I feel like there, there have been times that I've

I disagreed with Evers over the years.

Not major disagreements.

And as I made in the argument in my piece, my issue with Evers running for a third term is not a policy disagreement.

It's not an ideological differences.

I have by and large agreed with a lot of what the governor has done

in his

six plus years in office in Wisconsin.

And I think throughout that time, he's had this North Star.

of doing the right thing

for

Wisconsin.

You know, one of the things that I covered very closely was the fight for new maps last year.

And there were a lot of people at the time saying that the governor should not sign his own maps into law and should wait and let the court decide because it might be a more advantageous map for Wisconsin.

And I really...

I wrote a piece at the time saying, I thought that the governor should sign the maps because it would be the right thing to do for Wisconsin.

It is maps that were passed by the legislature that he introduced that he would sign and not have like, let's hold out for like a 2% better of an opportunity for maps that might be more advantageous for Democrats that would not have been the right thing to do.

He did the right thing there.

He did the right thing in.

you know, prioritizing addressing shared revenue, not a sexy campaign topic, but he went into reelection saying that like, this is the most important thing I need to address is how we fund local communities in the state.

And he was able to prioritize that and get stuff done.

Yeah, get another four letter word done, as he would say on the campaign trail.

He likes to drop a couple things here and there.

But I think he's had this really important North Star, and I think that North Star is shining once again in this decision, because he's paving the way for leaders in Wisconsin and far beyond.

not just in Wisconsin.

We know what happens in Wisconsin has national ramifications.

And I think this can be a message to Democrats of Tony Evers' generation to say that, like, it's time to embrace this generational shift moment that the party is having.

It's time to embrace change.

It's time to retire and step aside and let that change take hold.

If you're just joining us, Dan Schaefer is here, Civic Media's political editor and also the creator of the multi-award-winning reconpopulation area.

We're talking about Governor Evers announcing his

decision yesterday not to run for a third term.

We have a couple comments on the live stream I wanted to share.

Adam says what?

Dan Schaefer wanted Evers to step aside.

I had no idea.

Yuck, yuck, yuck.

And Cassandra says, I agreed with Dan from the beginning.

I think this is the best way for Dems to get complete control of the legislature and the governor's office.

Thank you for those comments.

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So now he's a lame duck for...

17 months.

17 months.

So here's my question.

Does he finally get to get all of his appointees appointed before he's done?

They've been, the legislature has been sitting on 150 appointees for five and a half years.

Yeah.

For

bitty sake, can we at least just appoint him now before they all have to get fired?

Yes, because

Robin Voss is all of a sudden going to be like, you know what, guys, let's do this one for Tony.

I know, I know, but it's just, geez, guys, come on.

Wouldn't it be so

funny if it was like the final month of his time as governor, and that's when the, you know, the Republican-controlled state Senate went in and conferred all of those appointees just to say that they did?

I don't know.

We

love bipartisanship.

You, by the

way, your job lasts for-

That's

right.

Hope you enjoyed it.

Isaac from Baraboo texting in, I would have cheered for Evers if he decided to run for a third term.

I am grateful for his public service.

I'm just worried there's not enough name recognition for another Democratic nominee.

I believe Evers would have won again.

I'm hoping the next Democrat runs a good campaign and gets the word out on social media, radio, podcasts, everywhere.

And we are going to get into the discussion of who is going to be, who is already announced,

who may announce and the candidates for the Democratic primary.

But I will say this, when Tony Evers ran for governor, he was the state superintendent, not the sexiest position, not the most well-known position.

So it's up to the candidate to make that their goal to be known and that's getting around the state.

That's talking to the people and really getting out there and doing that retail politics game, which is...

It's taxing, but it's very, very important.

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at least 90 seconds.

Good morning, Jean.

Take it away.

Thank you for joining

us.

Wait a second.

I'm not going to yell.

I'm teasing you.

Okay.

Well, I did have some steam come out of my ear, so I mean, I would like a day to grieve.

I mean, this really impacts my side of the state.

where we may not have the same judgment on future candidates as you are at the state we don't get information that we're like in a different place all by ourselves people love them and people trust them and that is the saddest thing of all in our time on that ocean with all kinds of current stormy things we had a good captain to lead the boat

or lead our country, I mean our state, I mean I'm watching all this stuff with Epstein, let me tell you right now.

So anyhow, we need somebody there.

that can lead somebody that strong, that somebody trust.

And the biggest thing is trust right now, folks.

And we had that.

So I'm not picking on you, Dan.

I level everything you say, but this one I had disagreed with you.

So you guys have a great day.

You as

well, Gene.

Thank you

so much.

We

can disagree without being disagreeable.

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I thought his video making the announcement was so him.

It was so it was so it was so it was so it was

so opalander, which is what Greg and I used to call him.

Yeah, way back in the day.

Yeah, because he's not a he's a nice man.

He's just a nice man.

He's not a bloviator.

He's not a look how great I am kind of guy.

He is the ultimate Wisconsinite,

I would say.

He's the mild-mannered former science teacher who's just talking to you like you're in his classroom.

He's just so likable.

Yeah.

And I think he has just embodied Wisconsin in so many ways.

And his time as governor, just the folksy language, the, you know, the jazzed as hell, all

of

this,

the malarkey, the, you know, holy mackerel and saying

folks, you know, if you do a drinking game with every time Tony ever says folks during his speech, you're not going to be standing at the end of it.

I

think that one of the things though, that.

Of course, this is a very fresh announcement, and we're going to be talking about it more in the coming weeks and months.

And before we know it, the election will be here.

But I think that one of the topics that will be discussed greatly because he's essentially going to be retiring from politics.

I don't see him running for something else.

He's not going to run for mega governor or for vice-presor or whatever.

Just young enough to run for US

Senate.

it's going to be the it's going to be the the role of elder statesmen of Wisconsin politics.

And it's going to be a I personally believe that people will see him in the same light.

He by Democrats will be seen the same light as Republicans see Tommy Thompson.

And that comes with a lot of responsibility.

It comes with a great deal of power.

It's a it will allow him to throw his weight behind the person who is running and convince people who need convincing because

As you stated before, Tony Evers is a very popular figure.

He's a very popular politician in Wisconsin.

Therefore, those individuals who might see other candidates might be a little bit, I'm not sure about that person.

Tony can say, I trust them.

You should trust them too.

And I think he needs to do that.

He has a responsibility to play that role, at least for the next couple of years.

And you made the comparison to Tommy Thompson.

In that sense, it's like, you know,

Tommy Thompson, when he gets involved in these races, his endorsements still matter.

When he goes to visit with Trump, or he gets behind Tim Michaels, or he was at the RNC.

I actually talked to Tommy Thompson for a brief moment after JD Vance's speech at the RNC last year.

And he was talking to me how he really enjoyed that speech and working class focus for the Republican Party.

And like that being, so I think he

being involved in the Republican side is you're right.

I think that is a really interesting point to make that evers can be involved with that too on the on the Democratic side.

And, you know, if we see somebody, something like, you know, he's making an endorsement and an assembly race

or Senate

race or whatever that might be, that's going to be news.

That's going to carry weight.

And I think that's going to be really important too.

He's also been a very good fundraiser.

Like if, you know, he could still still make some calls and be a fundraiser there as well.

But I think, you know, big picture too, I want to at least take

moment to just thank Tony Evers.

I think we have a lot to be grateful for, for his time as governor, his years in public service and his many accomplishments in office.

Absolutely.

And a job well done.

Absolutely.

Yes.

And I, when we look at states' recoveries after the COVID pandemic and say what you, what you will about Governor Evers, Wisconsin fared a whole lot better than a majority of other states in this country because of the way Governor Evers handled

COVID and the aftermath of COVID and where he directed the federal money, especially towards small businesses,

right?

That was

that was a crucial part of Wisconsin Surviving as well

as it did and that was obviously a big shift from from where the focus for the Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation was under Scott Walker It was on you know luring the the Fox cons of the world to try to come to Wisconsin, but yeah, you're right.

I think he was he was a

voice of sanity and stability at a time of genuine crisis.

And I think people will not soon forget that.

And with the recovery, with helping dig out of the damage from Scott Walker's

two terms

as governor, defending the state's democracy as it's been under attack, dealing with this obstructionist, hard right, Robin Voss led Republican controlled legislature.

He's battled a lot of headwinds as governor and has still managed to be

a very successful governor.

Again, I think a lot of it has been in playing defense, but defense is pretty important.

And I think he's plus the state in position to thrive in the years to come and to play some offense in the future.

And I think he's done it for all the people of Wisconsin, regardless of who they voted for.

He actually governed for the entire state.

What a concept.

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Talking about the news, big news yesterday.

Governor Evers announcing he will not be running for a third term and we're going to talk a little bit about people who aren't now jumping in the race.

I did want to share this one comment from Christine and slinger.

Listening on WA UK, who says, I love Tony Evers, a sweet man and a good governor.

One thing I know for sure, he's not on the Epstein list.

Wouldn't it be weird if he was though?

You were like, wait, why?

It was a little fundraiser.

Christine, that is so

funny.

That's hilarious.

Thank

you

for

that.

Bringing

together some

storylines.

Yeah, exactly.

Tying

it together nicely.

I want to tell a really, really quick Tony Evers story for myself.

And this has speaks to his ability to just not be a politician in the moment.

I was at a restaurant in Milwaukee just having lunch and I saw him there and people were kind of, you know, they were doing the thing.

They see the governor.

They want to talk to him.

I've worked in politics.

I've met a lot of politicians.

It's not that I wasn't impressed with him, but I also knew just.

Keep eating your lunch.

I'm fine.

But I was

also wearing a brewer's hoodie and a brewer's hat because I'm pretty sure I was going to a game that day, or maybe it was just Tuesday, but I'm just sitting there eating my lunch and literally not looking at anybody.

I just hear someone come up to me and say, so, uh, how do you think they're going to do tonight?

And I'm like, I look, it's him.

And I'm like, and I don't.

do anything other than talk about baseball with him.

And it was a natural, great conversation about baseball.

And then that was it.

I didn't, I didn't ask for an autograph or a picture.

He didn't try to like sell me on him.

He just asked me about baseball and he moved on.

And that was, that was the thing I will never forget as long as I live.

I just loved it.

He's just a great story.

He has a good story.

He's a, he's a regular person and a really good example of a Wisconsinite.

I think he's humble.

He's not a braggart.

I don't think that flies with most people in Wisconsin.

And so he's going to be, he's going to be greatly missed.

I really do.

I really

think so.

He talked about when he was reelected.

He was like, yeah, boring wins, you know?

Anti-malarky ticket.

You know, yeah,

gotta

love

it.

Anti-malarky

ticket.

Not a big surprise.

Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez is kind of the first one out of the gate.

First official campaign announcement out of the gate this morning.

The press release hit my inbox at seven AM.

She's got the announcement video out.

She has made it official.

Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez is running for governor.

So as expected, I think we, this was, you know, we had kind of a short list.

I had even included in my column, you know, last month or whatever about who the potential candidates might be.

No surprise at all that Sarah Rodriguez is getting into the mix.

She's someone who's had a pretty interesting five years in Wisconsin politics.

You

know, she flipped a key assembly seat in 2020 was, you know, basically the second round of people flipping an assembly seat in the kind of the Western Milwaukee area suburbs Robin Vining who is now running for state Senate did it in 2018 and Sarah Rodriguez did it in in 2020 defeating Rob Hutton there having to and then basically

What happened next was that she, the Republicans really gerrymandered her district specifically for the 2022 map.

So then she ran for a lieutenant governor instead of seeking reelection in the assembly, won that race for lieutenant governor, joined Tony Evers on the ticket, and then has, has of course been the state's lieutenant governor for the past couple of years.

So, you know, she's got a background in healthcare.

She was, she was a nurse.

I believe she worked with, you know,

some larger healthcare companies that forget exactly what it was.

But she emphasized wanting to expand Medicaid in her announcement video.

Would you guys think of that video?

I thought it was really great.

I thought, so for me personally, I think one of the biggest uphill battles for Sarah Rodriguez is she's Lieutenant Governor.

Nobody really knows who she is.

That is a very, that is, as I said earlier, I think it's a more ceremonial position than the VP of the United States of America.

And that is going to be tough for her.

But that being said, that video was so good.

It was energetic.

It was fun.

It was funny.

It was funny without trying to be funny.

It wasn't listening to someone trying to be a politician, trying to connect.

This was a real person talking real game.

I enjoyed the jokes, the swipe at Arkansas.

I'm like, whoa, okay, you're going big referring to the president as a maniac.

I mean, I think those were very important things to say because she's kind of been quiet in the background for the past few years because she's lieutenant governor.

So she has to make a big claim.

And like you said, Greg, it's...

It's not an important position.

I'm sorry, but it's not it's not a job and she's really not a job and she's rarely in front of the public and she's really taking Point on on policies or anything like that.

So she really does have to kind of now Completely reintroduce herself to folks

and I

think she did a great job with that introductory video yesterday.

You mentioned some of the jokes she she Includes in her intro video

about how she was an honor student or something.

She's a

national merit scholar.

And she's like, I didn't want to put this in there, but my mother thinks it's important.

So this is for you, mom.

It's adorable.

It's adorable.

She says, my mom will want me to tell

you that I'm a

national merit scholarship.

I know you don't care.

But she does.

But she does.

It's just, it's great.

It was well written.

It was natural.

It was fun.

And I just, yeah.

Yeah, I'm not saying she's gonna be the next one or I support her but at least that's what needs to happen especially with all the noise and I don't know Dan I mean give your thoughts you and Jane both how big do you think this primary will end up being you've got two people who are already in and That means I feel like and it's less than 24 hours after the announcement

Yeah, I think it's gonna be a big field and but before we move on from from Rodriguez to I want to note that like

as I covered a gazillion different campaign rallies last year, you know, the way they do it, they usually have like all of the Wisconsin Democrats who will kind of like lead up to the headliner

and all of

that.

And I've been routinely impressed by Rodriguez in those scenarios as well, when she's been in those, you know, campaign environments and she, you know, there's a lot of people that you'll hear from over the course of these days.

And I think she's been pretty impressive in those speeches and continues to get better.

And I think as we see in that,

video today that she's got some real political chops.

So

it's

going to be interesting to see where it goes.

And then as you alluded to there, we've also got a second candidate who has made it all but official, basically.

This morning, Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley released a statement thanking Governor Evers and celebrating his accomplishments as governor and also saying, quote, in the weeks ahead, I will be taking steps toward entering the race for governor.

So that was pretty much expected.

That was

very much expected.

He, you know, in an interview I did with Crowley,

In December of 2023, he said to me that if Evers doesn't run again, he's probably going to run.

And the one that we're, Cavalier Johnson, who is the mayor of Milwaukee, is kind of waffling about it right now.

I don't see that happening.

I don't see the Milwaukee mayor throwing in for this time around.

I just don't.

I think of the two Milwaukee leaders, I do think it's more likely going to be

crowded.

I mean, it

obviously is going to be crowded since

he says

he's going to run.

It wouldn't shock me if both ran, but I think just

You know, they're both young men, right?

They're both going to have plenty of opportunities to run for a higher office over the years.

I think of the two, it's far more likely that Crawley would.

Crawley, I think, has also gotten a bit more done in Milwaukee County than Kevlar Johnson has been able to do in the city of Milwaukee as well.

You know, part of that is just with, Crawley has a really good relationship with the Milwaukee County board that was, that had.

basically never happened in my lifetime up until then.

And I think the relationship that Johnson has had with the council has been a little bit more prickly.

A few different senses.

So I think, yeah, and Crawley is somebody I have seen as a rising star.

in the party for quite some time.

One of the first things I did back when I, in the very first year of the re-combobulation area, I covered the race for Milwaukee County Executive and interviewed at the time, or State Senator Chris Larson, then State Representative David Crowley, and then County Board Chair Theo Lipscomb.

And I ended up endorsing Crowley in that race.

And one of my first big decisions or whatever, getting out there, making a bold call, trying to, I try to do that every once in a while.

You know, I think he is somebody who, he builds himself as a bridge builder, as somebody who gets things done.

And I think that is really something that we need a lot of in democratic politics these days.

It's that, that action that he brings to the office too.

I think there's a unique talent in David Crowley too.

And this is nothing against Cavalier Johnson.

First of all, I think that having both leaders of Milwaukee running for governor at the same time will be, I don't think that's the best thing for Milwaukee as a city and a county.

But I think that David Crowley presents a

a better story of, look, I work with the county of Milwaukee.

That is a million people throughout the entire thing.

That is a lot of differing opinions.

There's a lot of attitudes that we have to work with and we have to work together.

And that's what I've been doing.

And I have the record to show because, you know, you can make the argument or he is a black man.

He is a black man from Milwaukee.

He is from southeastern Wisconsin.

He's all these things that could be running against him for other people in...

Wisconsin to say, well, I don't want someone from Milwaukee.

This doesn't work for me.

I think David walks into the, to this, to this primary saying, I understand that.

I get that.

I've dealt with that.

This is

what

I'm going to do.

And we're going to talk and let's

sit down and you tell me as someone who lives in Hayward or someone who lives in butternut or wanderers, what is troubling you most about the state right now?

And how can I be a part of that solution?

I

think David has more ability.

To do that than I think then Chevy does right now.

I just and then once again, this is no disrespect to Mary Johnson

I just think that David Wright at this moment is more equipped.

Dan

Schaefer is our guest, Civic Media's political editor, the creator of the Reconpopulation Area.

We are talking about Governor Evers' announcement yesterday that he will not be seeking a third term.

Now we have Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez, who has officially announced she is in the race.

Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley, alluding to the fact that in the next couple of weeks, he will likely be joining

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