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We're going to talk to Nick about the No Kings protests that were held around the country on the same day as someone's eco parade.
And there are other protests that are scheduled.
or across the country and here in southeastern Wisconsin, we're going to talk to Nick about that, among many other things.
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Market University out with its latest poll numbers.
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We're going global.
It has something to do with an event that's happening this weekend in Venice.
Yeah.
In Venice, I believe.
Wanted to start off with a very serious subject, though, briefly.
Two Milwaukee police officers were seriously injured in a north side, aside shooting last night.
A 32-year-old Milwaukee officer in critical condition.
A 29-year-old with non-fatal injuries.
Authorities say a suspect opened fire on them about 9.30 last night as they were responding to calls of a shot fired.
Again, this happened about 9.30 last night in an alley in the 2,200 block of North 24th Place.
People, even into early this morning, were still asking people to avoid the area because of a threat to the public.
They were searching for a known suspect who at this point, I haven't seen anything else, he is believed to still be at large.
Certainly send our thoughts and healing thoughts to these two officers and their families.
It's a tragedy.
It's a terrible thing.
And we will continue to monitor this as the morning goes along again.
Last I've seen this suspect is still at large.
Once we get something counter to that, we will share that with you.
This that I saw this morning in the Milwaukee Journal set no with Kate by Caitlin Lubey has the byline The headline reads Trump inspired signs Ask Apostle Island visitors to report anti-American information I Had to read that like four times.
Yeah, that's
not a very that's I feel like with what she was given the sentence does it just it's
What?
Science have been posted at the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore here in Wisconsin, asking people to speak up if they see anything that comes across as disrespectful toward America or its history.
The Department of the Interior, which manages the national park system, has put up signs that national parks around the country
asking people to report, quote, any signs or other information that are negative about either past or living Americans or that failed to emphasize the beauty, grandeur and abundance of landscapes and other natural features, unquote.
These signs at our national parks are part of the Trump administration's
Restoring truth and sanity to American history executive order.
Eight five five.
Yeah, seriously.
Seven five two four eight four two.
That's eight five five.
Seven five civic.
When you're going to a national park.
Yeah.
You're in the family, taking a road trip maybe.
Yep.
Going to go visit a national park.
Is that the first thing on your mind is to be in the lookout at our national parks for things that are anti-American and are negative about past or living Americans?
What?
Seriously, I read this this morning and I thought this can't be real.
This can't be, is this real?
This
is real.
It's real.
It's absolutely real.
It's definitely spearheaded by a group of people who are totally legitimate and level-headed in their thinking.
I don't understand this at all.
Like, I truly have no, I have no words.
I know.
I am bereft of words on this because clearly
Someone, a group of people, got into a room and said, you know what we need to do?
You know where there's a lot of non-patriotic people coming through?
The parks.
The national parks.
You know, those hippies in Joshua Tree.
So, are they upset about Native American burial mounds?
I'm really trying to understand what they think people are going to report on.
that falls under this banner of restoring truth and sanity to American history.
Do I do I?
Do I report somebody who was wearing a t-shirt says defund the police?
Do I report somebody who has a bumper sticker that says I voted for Kamala?
What are your qualifications?
What are the parameters
in this?
Who goes to who goes to like a national park and says, Hey guys, I'm looking for trouble.
Let's uh
Can we really talk about what happened in the Civil War and how the North wasn't that as good as we were led to believe?
Can we just talk about that while you're on your vacation with your kids?
No, it would be the South
wasn't as
bad
as we were led to believe.
They were just misunderstood.
States rights, baby.
Well, no, but that's the thing is that's the history they'd want to push.
Absolutely.
But it's this...
The signs include a website and a QR code.
So people can file a complaint from their
phone.
And
they encourage people to report anything that needs fixing in the park.
Well, that's going to be good to know because they fired a whole bunch of park service people.
So yeah, they're going to need a heads up about things that need to be fixed.
That's not a bad thing.
Jane, you know what needs to be fixed in Grand Forks Park?
this stunning lack of patriotism.
Is that what it
is?
Well,
and that's the thing is like, do they think they're gonna, well, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what the reality is.
They will say in a couple of weeks that their phones and the text lines were blowing up with all sorts of reports.
It's like when they looked for fraud through Doge.
Okay, cool.
All right.
One, if these reports happen, I want to know.
This is a public website in a public park made by the government.
I want to see
Who is rounded up because this is a very I Don't want to say comical because this leads to more it leads to darker things because this is this is tattle on your neighbor Yes, this is this goes back to and and America this isn't the first time America has done this either they're doing it now in Texas
I'm
talking about like during the world wars like you got a German neighbor here and talking German tell the American government You know, so this is nothing new to this this country, but this is tattle on your neighbor and
Because why at a national but this is so dumb
Sue from Franklin listening on WA UK texting in this shouldn't be a thing.
Yeah, thank you, Sue Yeah, John from Oshkosh.
This probably must be about Mount Rushmore and Crazy Horse There are images of Native Americans flipping off Mount Rushmore
Okay,
so then I guess that will fall under this Mandate
about reporting information that's negative about past or living Americans, or that failed to emphasize the beauty, grandeur and abundance of landscapes and other natural features.
AI wrote that.
Well,
also, it's like, I went to the Grand Tetons and I was standing next to this guy and he said, no, they're fine.
Get him.
Like.
This is, this is, this cost money.
We paid for this.
We paid for these signs.
We paid for these meetings.
We paid for the website, the decisions.
This is, this is the fraud and waste.
This is the stuff that Doge should be cutting out.
Not the people who can run the nuclear facilities or the meteorologists.
No, this is the stuff.
Like literally you feel better about yourself.
I wanna know,
I know I don't want to know.
I don't care This is so dumb but yet
so Disturbing and dangerous and dangerous as you said Jeff Ryan Renneke is the executive director of the Friends of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore.
He said he saw one sign Outside Park headquarters last month.
He believes politics should stay out of our natural parks and lakeshores
and that stories connected to our parks should be based on truth, like they have for the past century.
Renneke says people don't come to our parks for politics.
They come for beauty and connection with the natural world.
They're not here for controversy.
Other sign critics have called the signs chilling, saying they undermine park rangers and are in attempt to erase important parts of American history.
They're doing the same thing at the Smithsonian.
And Elon Musk said it out loud.
We talked about this earlier this week.
I want to rewrite knowledge.
He's going to rewrite Grock because Grock, unfortunately, is not giving him the answers that he wants.
So he's going to go back through history and correct the mistakes that were made out through history.
And the other thing, too, is the way that it's worded.
You know, when did America and when I say America, I don't mean like Trump or even the supporters.
I mean.
When did America as a thing become so, so fragile that it couldn't deal
with
sensitive couldn't deal with its own?
Yeah.
Mount Rushmore.
This land that was taken was all taken was this whole thing was taken But like those are the important conversations.
We they aren't anti They're the height of patriotism to talk about the flaws of your country and the things that have been done to create this vast land Yeah, they're not pretty.
They don't make you feel good, but there are conversations that need to be had and just by rewriting
history, rewriting knowledge.
Makes it not so.
It doesn't
go away.
In fact, only makes it worse.
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Good morning, Dale.
Thank you for joining us.
Yeah, good morning, Jane.
Putting up these signs in the national parks, this is part of the Trump administration trying to turn our country into a police state.
cattle on your neighbors, you know, that they have said something or wrote something or whatever, you know, it's part of Trump trying to make our country into a police state.
I appreciate that, Dale.
Thank you.
And thank you for listening.
Always, always appreciate that.
Yeah, I this whole rat on each other.
Yeah, because it starts at a place that it starts at a place like the
it's innocuous, right?
Yes.
But where do those signs go next?
I would imagine that if you're going to be visiting one of our national parks and you happen upon one of these signs, you could send them messages.
Yes, absolutely.
Check in and tell them some things you think could use a little attention.
That's one idea.
Yeah, just a thought.
Just a thought, not saying one should do anything specific.
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running into lots of cases where they're grabbing the wrong people.
This is from today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, from Richard Fogarty and Eva Wendt, detained after a routine immigration hearing, a Cuban asylum seeker finally makes his way back home to Wisconsin.
Yeah, Giresnope Robles entered the country under the Biden administration and at that time,
Under the Biden administration, border agents were allowed to release some migrants who claimed asylum while they went through the immigration proceedings.
This did not apply to anybody with criminal records or anybody who had already earlier illegally entered the country.
So he was in the process.
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Most of the time, his immigration meetings were here in Milwaukee.
Occasionally, he had to go to Florida where he had first established his case.
So we had to make an appearance in Florida last month or in May.
went down there in a surprise move to Jerez Nobles and his attorney when he showed up for his court appearance, the Department of Homeland Security asked the judge to dismiss the case without giving any reasons.
Judge dismissed it.
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We've said it before and I'm gonna keep saying it again until I can't say it anymore.
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But even one they are deserving of due process
they get to have it.
Yes,
that is in the Constitution I know sticky situation weird document written a long time ago, but also we are seeing so many instances where people who are Going through the process legally doing exactly what they need to do legally
And they're just, we saw it, the woman from, not Venezuela, she's from South America.
She was going through the process and finally got to the point where she just couldn't do anything.
She's self-deported with her children who were born here.
So that statement, that argument, they just did it the right way.
It's no longer valid because none of the, no one from the Trump side is saying, whoa, they did it wrong.
they shouldn't be doing this.
They shouldn't be standing for this because it goes against everything they say.
Well,
but again, it's, they pulled the rug out from under these people who are in the midst of this process.
And then now they've said, well, now we're not doing that anymore.
So yeah, we're just going to arrest you.
Robles exited the courtroom with his attorney before he could even get to his wife and mother to tell them anything.
Immigration agents in plain clothes surrounded him without showing ID or an arrest order.
So they sent him away for a month Now he's back.
Yep, but it took a month it took a month He was going through the process that our government had established
but now it's like it's I mean, I'm sure he's gonna continue to go through the process But now you live in fear that it doesn't that none of that will ever matter because you've been taken once what to say they don't take you again and
According to this article, the Trump administration has expanded the practice of expedited removal.
And it was under that policy that Robles was detained.
His attorney argues he didn't qualify for it in the first place.
This expedited removal only applies to people who have been in the US for less than two years, and that does not apply to him.
He's been here for more than three years, no criminal record.
But now he's back.
He's back.
I'm waiting for the apology from the Trump administration and from ICE.
I'm sure that's coming any day now.
They would sooner apologize to the ICE agents saying, I'm sorry that you had to go there and none of it worked out the way you thought.
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Unanimous Wisconsin Supreme Court blocks UW Health nurses unionization.
Oh my god.
Backing act 10.
UW Health is not legally required to recognize its nurses union or engage in collective bargaining.
Again, another unanimous state Supreme Court ruling.
Justice Brian Hagedorn wrote when we examine the statutory language along with the statutory history, we conclude that Act 10 ended the collective bargaining requirements formally placed on the UW hospitals and clinics authority.
So this ruling upholds previous decisions by Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission and a Dane County Circuit judge.
Wisconsin Employment Relations, that sounds so nice to say.
We don't want you to have rights.
Now the question I have, and this is probably, this is a.
Jim Santel or a Maggie Dawn question because they are lawyers right is this so far they have not heard any cases challenging acts acts 10 and 32 yet if I'm not mistaken, right?
I believe you're correct.
Yeah, so my my wonderment in all this is if They go through the process acts 10 and 32 are reviewed by the courts and they and and in a in a hypothetical
They say these are unlawful.
They do not blah, blah, blah.
We strike them down.
They're no longer valid in the state of Wisconsin.
Does that open the doorway for these nurses again to bring up the process of unionizing?
Right.
UW Health nurses last union contract expired in 2014.
At the time, UW Health said Act 10, the 2011 state law getting rid of most collective bargaining rights for public employee unions, barred it from negotiating a new contract.
nurses countered hospital management could choose to recognize the union and bargain with it.
Fueled in part by the effects of the pandemic, nurses' efforts to unionize also followed cost-cutting measures, raising concerns about staffing and patient care.
And that has been a big part of what we've heard about, is that they're worried about losing more nurses and then how that is going to affect, I don't know, the people they're supposed to take care of.
Yeah, remember when nurses...
specifically nurses and healthcare workers, doctors, but we like this country in 2020 we just could not get enough about.
We applauded them.
We applauded them.
We clanged pots and pans.
We went out to our balconies and said thank you and this is of course the things we get.
Teachers, you're heroes.
You can't collect barred nurses.
You're heroes.
We're cutting your jobs and cutting your salary.
I feel like people think that nurses and these other folks that we we lionize and worship and they deserve the credit they get and they should be paid way more.
But do they think they can use that adulation to pay bills and to
buy food with that?
Respect is great.
It doesn't really do much when you're trying to pay your mortgage.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Attorneys for the nurses argued to the Supreme Court in February that the hospital functions like a private employer and therefore should be governed by the Peace Act.
UW health attorneys argued that the intent of Act 10 was clearly understood to dismantle unions.
And despite the fact that UW hospitals and clinics authority was created in the 90s, lawmakers and passing Act 10 made it clear it was included.
We've talked to some nurses from SEIU.
And they are really genuinely concerned about
how this is going to affect patient care.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And also attract nurses
coming into the field.
And we're having some time already.
Yeah.
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Good morning, Cassandra.
Thanks for joining us.
Good morning.
Well, as you guys know, I'm a nurse.
We actually just had a discussion with our HR department and they asked us.
like how do we retain our nurses?
Well, we're getting so much thicker patients and we're getting told we have to take on more patients at a time when they're actually thicker.
And I think people don't realize like if these Medicaid cuts go through, that's actually going to make things
Even
worse.
People are going to get sicker because they don't have the money, they don't have insurance to come in when things can get figured out sooner.
And hospitals are going to be able to continue to meet what the market is paying in other areas for the nurses.
So this is just this like.
self-fulfilling toxic.
It's going to keep going and keep going and keep
going.
I agree with you.
I really don't think that people understand, especially when we talk about this budget bill, that they're trying to ram through in Washington and what those cuts will do to our hospitals because of the Medicaid cuts, because it's all part of a piece.
It's all part of the same system.
Cassandra, if you were able to
I'm just curious.
Where are nurses salaries better if you decided to pick up and go?
Where would you go?
Honestly, I don't know that I would pick up and go.
That's the other thing is like the grass isn't really that green
on the other side.
Sure.
And moving is expensive.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah, and I mean, you know down around Milwaukee, they get paid a little bit more, but I'll see your cost of living is
is
higher and like the nice thing what we should should be doing, but I know California is like a whole other can of worms, but they actually have mandated staffing ratio out there like it's law like
how
many patients the nurse can take and They get paid pretty handsomely out there, but again, it's a cost of living thing.
Yeah out there
I appreciate it.
Thanks so much, Cassandra, for checking in.
Thank you for being a nurse.
You're a saint.
I couldn't deal with it.
Too many bodily fluids not happening.
But again, another unanimous decision by the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
It sounds like it may have been, I don't know if it's a procedural thing or whatnot.
We were talking about with Jim yesterday and said, you know, when it comes to the procedure of it all, is that what?
It was what influences the decision.
So, I mean, that's a question for him.
That is some breaking news from this morning.
Right now, he has been waiting on the phone from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.
Nick Ramos is on the line.
Good morning, Nick.
How are you doing?
Jane, I was so happy to be here.
And I'm sorry that technology wanted to keep us apart, but I tell you.
I'm coming in hot.
I'm ready to be able to chat about the world's topics, Wisconsin topics.
I'm just glad to hear your
point.
We're so happy to have you on, Nick.
It's been way too long.
I don't think we've talked to you since the day after the election or the day of the election.
So it's great to have you back, Nick.
Let's talk a little bit about the No Kings protests and what else is coming up over the summer.
Well,
I like the world and Wisconsin just to remind themselves that we live in a democracy.
There is no king.
There's no prime ministers.
We have people that we elect and they get to have the privilege of, you know, making decisions over our lives because we send those representatives to make those choices because we believe in them and we believe in process.
But, you know, these are some really interesting and weird times right now.
You know, I get to hear.
Our president talked about the golden age of America.
Man, does it not feel that golden to me?
It feels kind of brown if you ask me.
And people, I think, are waking up to the fact that we...
need to be able to speak up and speak out when there are folks that are trying to erode what we have known as democracy.
And so, you know, around the country, there were thousands of rallies, and I had the privilege of being able to emcee the No King's Rally in Madison.
And I got to tell you, I mean, looking on the next crowd, feeling that energy, being able to have folks like
Senator Bernie Sanders call in or even Raphael Warnock flying in from Georgia to just be there for just a weird cameo.
But like, it was all love.
I mean, you would have thought he was a Wisconsinite.
Like, I look out in the crowd, 17,000 people show up on a Saturday afternoon.
And I mean, the mood, I have not been about part of something so electric.
I mean, people really care about democracy and they really want to make sure that like we are not going backwards.
We're going into a place where folks
know that when we elect people that they're going to do the right thing and when they break the law people deserve to be held accountable.
I mean people are really electric right now and they want people to keep that energy so there's going to be more rallies that happen throughout you know this
Nick, I'm sorry, we're coming up against a hard break.
We will be right back and continue our conversation with some details about other protests that are coming up.
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And Nick, before we went to the break, you were talking about the No Kings rally that was massively successful around the country and that there are other things planned for this summer, right?
Yeah, I mean, you know, the No Kings rally and some of these things that you guys and folks around the world are seeing, I mean, they're happening pretty in real time.
I mean,
I feel like in a way that I haven't seen this country act in the past, it's like when folks see that things are happening from the Fed, when it comes to talking about cutting Medicaid, Medicare, you know, this big, beautiful, stupid bill that they keep talking about, like there's just
People are reacting in real time and then trying to organize on the ground around here and around the state.
So it's like, well, I can't give folks necessarily, you know, a long list of things that are happening.
I have to imagine, but before we get to the end of the year here, there's going to be something, I don't know.
I mean, I didn't think, Jane, that we would ever be talking about the potential for us entering World War III.
because our president decides, you know, he
can just
drop bombs on countries without getting legislative oversight.
It's like people, and I hear it when I travel the state, like there are so many issues that people, it just absolutely makes them so angry and they want to be able to do something.
And so there's going to be stuff, whether it's about, you know, medical access for women to be able to have the choice to decide whether they want to take a child to term or be able to, you know,
uh, have those types of medical procedures to do what's going to be right for them.
There's going to be so many big things.
And so we're just, we're watching what's happening and we're trying to be nimble and swift to be able to address those things and not just go quietly.
Well, and I do think it's interesting, Nick, because at least we have found that, and certainly with this budget bill and even going back to project 2025, once people learn more about it, they don't like it.
Right.
Well, and you know,
I wish that, you know, it would be great if folks heard about it before and then we didn't
have
to do all the work, you know, and be skating uphill.
But, you know, I think it's better to know now than to not know it all.
And so, you know, folks, I mean, just continue to organize locally.
We have a lot of things that you can be doing in New York be so powerless, like, and you can see
It just takes one person to tell another person to come show up to something and then it could end up being 17,000 people like we're more powerful than we even know wisconsin so like let's stay active and stay engaged.
And something nick i want to take i want the exact point i want to take is that there are people out there who live in.
You know, rural areas up north, down south, wherever, and they say, well, I'm just a blue dot in a red sea.
And I don't know what to say.
And I'm going to say, and I will respond with this.
Yes, there were 17,000 people in Madison, but there were 300 people in Spooner, Wisconsin, who stood up.
Spooner.
So if you look at your town, your village, your unincorporate, there is someone who believes in the same things you do.
Organize, get together, make your voices heard.
Share what you know.
Share what you
know.
Man, you guys are over here inspiring me to go through a brick wall here and really get the fuck around now, man.
Okay?
Boner, I see you from all the way down here in Madison.
We love
you.
Yeah, exactly.
It's really, it is very heartening, though, to see that kind of turnout in smaller communities where I think somewhat unfairly we brush everyone with the same brush and assume that everyone is MAGA and that's not true.
There are so many
more things on which we agree than disagree when it comes to funding childcare, when it comes to funding our schools, when it comes to having clean drinking water.
These are all things that Wisconsinites agree upon for the most part.
You don't need to be a Republican.
You don't need to be a Democrat to want clean drinking water.
You don't need, like, these are things that truly
ought to be nonpartisan but the toxic nature of our politics have changed it so that you need to be one side or the other on these issues but like here's the thing people like as these beautiful hosts that you get so privileged to hear their silky voices every morning i'm just telling you that like we are so much more in this boat together and if we can just take the time to really
Be able and it's hard because there's so many things happening, but if we can take the time to just talk to each other and have these conversations I'm telling you like it's all about what we don't know and what we can't understand is what we fear the most and I'm just telling you that like Don't let the fear mongering and all this rhetoric Make you believe that we're you know doing something that is so contrary that you don't have neighbors You don't have people to believe and the same things you believe in that's like if we can do this
We can really make sure that our democracy doesn't have to face threats against it, like what we're seeing right now.
But like, people, I'm so proud of you for not running away when the bell is ringing.
And like, we have more work to do, but we can do it while we're doing it together.
Get involved.
You might not do politics, but at some point politics is going to do you.
Nick Ramos is the executive director for the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.
It's been great, Nick.
We'll get you back on real soon.
Thank you so much.
Jane, thank you.
Thank you, Greg.
See you guys.
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Thanks for having me.
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But first, before we get into it, thoughts are with the Milwaukee
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you know, the emergency vehicles and all of that.
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We had
A lot of results come out yesterday from the Market University Law School poll.
That's
right.
And as you, as you well know, Jane and Greg, as I've been doing now for six years at the recombobulation area, I've written a breakdown of every new installment of the market university law school poll.
So it doesn't take you any time at all.
Yeah, that's right.
But I, you know, every time I think it's like, Oh, I don't have to come up with a column idea this week.
This will be an easy one to write.
But then I end up spending a lot of time crunching the numbers and digging into it and trying to find some interesting takeaway.
from it.
So that's what I have published yesterday at the Reconbibulation Area, my five takeaways from the latest poll here.
So I think
Maybe let's start with the Tony Evers question because I think that was the headline item from the poll.
And, you know, I was not surprisingly watching that one with interest,
considering
I wrote
a column with a little
bit of attention a couple of weeks ago here about whether or not Tony Evers should run for a third term.
So
of course, you know where I stand on this one.
I do not think that Tony Evers should run for a third term.
And here's how it broke down on the polling.
on the top line overall and then by party identification.
So overall, 42% of Wisconsin voters say Tony Evers should run for a third term with 55% saying that he should not.
Now this breaks down in pretty typical partisan fashion.
So for Republicans, 93% say no, or that he should not
run.
Only 93.
What a shock.
And then for independence, I thought this was probably the most interesting one of the takeaways here.
37% say yes and 50% say no.
So a double digit.
you know, negative for whether independents say that Tony Evers should run for a third term.
And then among Democrats, it is again kind of like what you might expect, the inverse of the Republican side, although a few more knows.
So 83% of Democrats say that Tony Evers should run for a third term with 15%.
Saying no so overall you that's how you get to that that 42% yes 55% no overall breakdown,
but I do find it interesting that I mean at least among independents and Democrats Tony Evers is well liked Mm-hmm.
He is he is well liked and if you look at the the favorability numbers and the approval ratings in the poll like they're not they haven't gone up
considerably over the last few years or anything, but they've been very, very steady, you know, usually a slight net positive for Evers.
I think that's where he was in the approval rating.
His favorability was a slight net negative.
But that's another thing that we see in the poll and that I highlighted here as well is that, uh, if they all, they pull all of these, uh,
Politicians and political parties and movements for their favorability numbers So it's just the question is do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of this person or party or whatever?
Tony Evers has the best mark of anyone there, but it is a negative it is a negative net negative two Wow negative three for Tammy Baldwin negative four for Ron Johnson negative six for JD Vance negative eight for Donald Trump negative eight for the Republican Party negative ten for the MAGA movement negative sixteen for the Black Lives Matter movement
negative 19 for Elon Musk and negative 25 for the Democratic party.
So
that
is how things break down.
So Tony Evers, one of the things that he always talks about Tony Evers has the, is the most well liked politician in Wisconsin.
Well, he's well liked because nobody really likes anyone.
We don't like anything.
We
don't like it.
And I think this is partially just like what you come to expect in a 50 50 state.
Like if
you get.
Anybody from within your own party in this very evenly divided state that
you
know you lose 2% of support within your own party Well, then you're gonna have like a net negative or whatever and I think that part of that is just the nature of things In a state like Wisconsin that is so deeply polarized and so evenly divided in so many ways But I think it also just kind of shows to where our politics are right now because nobody really seems to
have a particularly positive view of anyone.
No, I
mean, the Democrats are really frustrated.
The Republicans are, I don't know how they feel, maybe overconfident at this point, but the thing that's interesting to me is the Democratic support of Tony Evers saying to run, and then the independents who say you should run, because that's, if I'm Tony Evers, that's what I'm looking at.
Is the independent members?
I'm looking
at, all right, I'm gonna have Will.
Because of everything that happened last year with regard to Joe Biden and just kind of anointing Kamala Harris and they're being real outcry from Democrats saying, look, you didn't give us a process.
You told us what we're doing.
You anointed her.
Exactly.
They didn't like that.
There was blowback on that was something we heard about the day after the election was this sort of handing the torch with no input from the people.
If Tony Evers runs again.
Will Democrats just kind of stand back and say, all right, he's the guy, will there be Democrats in that list that you talked about weeks ago
who will
stand and say, no, I'm going to primary this because I want to run for governor because we need a new person in there.
All that being done, if Tony's the guy, does he still retain as a lot of that democratic support and can he, can he push enough independence his way to get him a third term?
Yeah.
And I think this, these numbers I don't think are.
far from definitive in any direction.
They don't clearly say that, well, obviously Evers, his
time has
run out, he can't run again.
They also don't say...
that he's a lock to get reelected.
The most popular politician.
It's not like Tommy Thompson numbers or like some of the other times that we've seen like especially popular politicians in Wisconsin.
It's not like that.
That's why I think it's a genuine question and why we need to be having
this
conversation.
But also I looked up some other numbers here relating to this as well.
I mean, this is generally how things go.
Like Democrats like Democratic politicians.
Republicans like Republican
politicians.
This is not news to any of you here, right?
But if you go back to June 2024, that poll conducted just before that debate.
One year ago today, the worst debate performance in the history of debate performances from former president Joe Biden, 83% of Democrats had a favorable view at the time of then president Joe Biden.
Just over a month later, more than 90% of Democrats agreed with Biden's decision to withdraw from the race.
things can change pretty quickly.
And I think we overestimate, uh, how, or underestimate how public opinion can shift with a new candidate on a dime.
Well, I think it's also the, the, the many, many of the people, I mean, we talked to some of them here.
We listened to people on, on, on the air, both in civic medium beyond saying how wonderful Joe Biden was and the, and the, you know, the week after it's, it was a brave move where, you know, we were behind Kamala Harris.
I think it's not so much that.
that people, I don't, I don't know if they agreed, they agreed, but they also were probably really afraid to say it before it happened.
They're not going to be the ones to come out and say, yeah, Joe Biden needs to step down because this is a problem.
They are towing party lines.
And the moment he steps down, they're like, yeah, that's kind of what I thought too.
Okay.
All right, cool.
Kamala Harris is the lady.
Let's
do this.
And
it was just, it was, I don't know, it's a,
Yeah, I mean, how many market polls are going to be released between now and...
just next year.
There'll be a few.
And then Charles Franklin, the poll director gave me some additional numbers.
I had a question about this.
So like, I was like, well, is there a division by age within democratic voters or older or younger democratic voters have different views on whether either should run again.
And there is a little bit of a divide there with the youngest age group that they pull the 18 to 29 year old voters, basically the Gen Z vote right now.
So while 83% of Democrats across the board say that
Evers should run again in that 18 to 29 range, only 68% say that Evers should run for a third term.
So I do think that, you know, as Democrats, we've had all these conversations about how to reach, how Democrats
can better
reach younger voters.
My thesis on this is run younger candidates.
So I do think there is an aspect of this too, whereas just like there is going to be this generational divide.
And I think
Democrats are really playing with fire and losing some of those younger voters that have been really key to their coalition for a long time.
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Jean from Eau Claire is on the line.
Good morning, Jean.
Thanks for joining us.
Well, good morning, guys.
I totally disagree with...
even questioning Evers because people on our side of the state see a lot of them.
We see more of him than any governor ever and also he is responsive to the public and I think people know that.
They don't have any complaints on how he's governing the state.
I've never seen so much work done on our roads and money's going back to the communities and people know the guy.
I mean, they knew him from when he worked with the schools.
He's outstanding.
He's not a showboat.
With what we're going to get coming in here with lots of moolah and lots of lies, they cannot lie.
about Tony Evers because people know what he's done and they do like him.
Now comparing him to Biden is a whole different ball game because we had people running down Biden for a very long time before the race came up and oh he's too old or always trips or and things like that and because of his difficulty with speech.
Everybody knows Tony Evers
he's a normal kind of guy and yeah he's not the best debater but god darn it he gets things done and he means what he says and he has honesty and integrity which i think is missing in a lot of things going on and to try to educate somebody and get trust because we need trust right now more than anything
our country and in our state and we know Tony and he's not gonna pull all kinds of crap like Trump yes and what Scotty Walker did so we know him so anyway that's my consensus probably a lot more than that thank you for letting me get this off my chest because God darn it there is something in repeating repeating repeating that people when they take surveys they go
Well, I know he's doing a good
job.
It gets in their head, right, Gene?
Thank you, Gene, really appreciate it.
And that's a great, you know, that's your opinion.
Absolutely.
You were absolutely entitled to that.
And I do agree with a lot of what she said as far as Tony is not a showboat.
Tony is kind of the epitome of a Wisconsinite.
But I'm not out there bragging about all his
accomplishments.
Which I think it can be detrimental.
But I also think the conversation, and I disagree with Gene, the conversation needs to be had.
Well, and again, I don't think anybody's saying Tony's not competent, any of those things.
But what are our options?
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Also, Civic Media's political editor and the Market University Law School came out.
Dan has his latest column about that, talking about
whether or not Governor Evers should run for another term and who could potentially run against him on the other side.
And in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, they're back.
Businessman Tim Michaels and Eric Havde considering return to politics with runs for Wisconsin governor.
Wasn't enough to lose the first time around, let's give it another shot.
They're rich, they're bored, they're entitled.
Yeah, well, whether it's Tim Michaels coming back from Connecticut or Eric Hovey coming back from California, they've, you know, I guess they're gonna give this another try.
I guess.
I don't know.
Yeah.
But that's the headline today from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Uh, as you know, there's been these headlines this week about Tony Evers in 2026 and, uh, the stuff from the Marquette poll.
Marquette poll did not poll any potential challengers.
Uh, Josh showman, uh, is the only guy who has declared.
And, uh, I think the fact that we are seeing headlines about Tim Michaels and Eric Hovey to tell you all about Josh showman about what, where his candidacy is going.
Tom Tiffany's also been mentioned.
He kind of, uh, on the side, Tom Tiffany has also been.
mentioned, yes, but he is also, I'm not sure if he would be the best statewide candidate for Republicans to run.
He has not been a very prolific fundraiser in his career.
He's won a couple of elections, obviously, and in a very red district, but he has not been a very good fundraiser.
And I don't know what kind of crossover appeal he would really have.
I think that would lead to a blue Ozaki County if Tom Tiffany were to run.
But I think that's a really important thing that you mentioned.
That's a critically important piece of who runs is how much money they can raise yes not qualifications Not qualities for both sides all sides.
It's about how much cash can you bring in?
to make this worthwhile.
Well,
if you can sell fund a little
bit, that's a big help right there.
There you go.
I think that's why Huvdy and Michaels are being mentioned is back in the mix here because they can sell fund.
They can make these runs.
So I think that's been such a huge factor for Republicans in these races.
They do not have a good bench right now.
And it's just like this doesn't that doesn't this go to show that the bench is
pretty, pretty thin, pretty thin
right now.
Well, and that's, that's my first thought is like one, we've seen a, since 2020, the, uh, no, not, I'm sorry, uh, 2024, the, the Republican, the Wisconsin Republicans calling for Brian shimming to step down because he just has not done the work that they, but the, but the problem with that is.
Is that I don't feel like they've ever properly defined what his work should be honestly Brian shimmings Brian shimmings.
Yeah, because I know he's supposed to fundraise He's supposed to get candidates elected, but he was he's one running this rip this Real narrow wire of trying to update the Republican Party bring and he did with early voting He really got that going, but he's got these candidates who aren't very good and
to me, if I'm a Wisconsin Republican, I'm going to say these two guys, there's nobody else who lives in the state that we can find and we can fund and we can get behind you.
You're going to bring back the clown boys from the coasts.
Seriously.
This is so, I feel like if, if one of these two guys ends up being the nomination nominee for the party and if they lose Brian Schimming is out because this will be the, cause he's already on the nice with them.
And I think that if he does not come through for the state,
He's gone and if I'm a if I'm a regular Republican here, I'm not happy about this
Republican party of Wisconsin chairman Brian shimming casting doubt on the likelihood of a Tim Michaels run while saying he could see hubby Joining the race because of course has hubby even conceded
yet
you know, Milwaukee and vote counts.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, he did a Daniel Kelly.
He's got real mad this concession.
Gotcha.
Good, good to know.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
What is with Republicans having to rerun all of these retread candidates over and over again?
You know, we ran this piece at the recon population area after Brad Schimmel lost from a contributor, Josh Clemens, who's a digital guy, works in a bunch of campaign stuff.
And he was saying, this is also a product of gerrymandering in the Republican side because
They have gerrymandered themselves into these safe seats.
And they don't actually have to compete for the votes.
And so that when you have an opportunity to build that bench, to have people in competitive races, to take the next step up, to run for statewide office, who from the legislature would make sense to run for a statewide office?
It's obviously not going to be like Robin Voss or Devin Lemahue.
Like who are the potential Pete?
Like we talk about on the on the Republican or on the Democratic side, you know, we've got a pretty strong bench for Democrats.
that they have built out over the last few years.
You look at the Republican side, the legislative leadership and elsewhere.
Where is it?
Oh, please Robin, run for governor.
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Yeah.
Venice
is
there.
There is.
What is it?
A
rich
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The fourth richest person in the world is getting married this weekend.
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Okay.
This was a hot discussion off the air between Greg and Calvin.
Weddings day versus night.
Day weddings.
where everything happens during the day.
Including the reception.
Including the reception, it's all knocked out.
So you start maybe at noon and you have the wedding and then you have the dinner and everything is done by seven o'clock and you go home.
Or the typical setup which we have in Wisconsin, which is the, you know, you get married during the day and then you go to the reception about six o'clock.
Or you spent a couple hours at the bar in between the wedding and the reception, depending on.
Always works out so well, spending five hours at the bar before
we go to
the reception.
But Dave versus Knight weddings, do we have strong feelings about this?
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Graydon Calvin, Duke it out.
They're the ones who were just really taking hard positions on this.
Day weddings are the best I win.
When we come back, we'll be talking about... No, so the crux of this story was that in 2023, oh, remember those days?
Okay, 2023, I went to Texas for a wedding.
It's a very close family.
She's like a sister to me.
The wedding was at 11 o'clock.
I
remember this because at noon, it was when there was the, there was the big eclipse.
And they
actually, we gave out, we gave out glasses
afterwards at
noon and everyone came out and we were watching it.
And I thought to myself, okay, well, you know, we'll go do the thing.
We'll go to the bar for five hours.
And they said, Oh no, the reception's at one.
I'm like, Oh, then they're going to take the pictures afterwards or during and then, you know, do their thing.
No.
It was wedding at 11, done at noon, reception at one, done by five.
I was back in my hotel room with a pizza by 5.30.
It was still daylight out.
I was so happy.
And I said to my wife, we messed up.
We did it the old way.
We should have done it this, I mean, I feel like it's just, when you, I just feel like you're being so much more respectful of time.
Because we did all the things.
We danced, we ate, we had fun, they did the chicken.
They did the cake and all the things.
They did the cake, the whole thing.
But we did it in six hours in a chunk of time when the sun was out the entire time.
And it was a beautiful look on this lake in Texas.
I was a changed man.
I have been converted.
The spirit of day wedding is in my soul.
Only day weddings from now on.
The
spirit of day wedding
is in my soul.
What a sentence.
There it is.
And I just, I think day weddings always, day weddings forever.
Calvin,
you're up.
Day versus night weddings, 855-752-4842 on the night wedding side.
Here's Calvin.
I don't have as fleshed out of opinion as that.
It's purely a vibes thing.
The vibes are better when the sun goes down.
You're more comfortable to let loose.
Things get a little more exciting when the sun's down.
It's purely vibes and aesthetic.
I just think it looks nicer and is more fun.
It's more fun.
Day weddings.
The vibe was
amazing.
The sun was going down on a lake in Texas.
It was fantastic.
What was your wedding, Dan
Chauvin?
Our wedding was at the Schlitz Autobahn Nature Center.
Wonderful
place to
have
a
wedding.
We did it all in one reception and wedding in the same place, I think is really the key to not have the multiple locations to drag people around to.
But it was like a late afternoon, early evening kind of wedding.
And it was, it was terrific.
And I do, you know what, Greg, you've made your case and I've heard you out and you're a good professional radio talker and you've made your case.
I'm going with Calvin on this one.
The good night wedding is the way to go.
I knew you were just gonna lift me up to throw me back down the ground right there.
We did the same thing.
So my wife and I actually, fun fact, we had two weddings.
We had a small, small wedding and then about six months later we had a...
Huge one.
And we did the same thing with the Pritzloff building in Milwaukee.
Another good place for a wedding.
Yeah.
I've been to weddings there.
So big.
So you could hit, we had the risk, we had the ceremony on one side and then all the reception was on the other side.
And then they cleaned out that area completely.
And then where we had the wedding ceremony, it was the dance floor then.
So it was all in one.
And we did pictures beforehand.
We didn't do the pictures afterwards.
Cause honestly like.
Do your thing, whatever you want.
It's your life, day weddings forever.
But that thing of, we got married at noon, the wedding's done at one.
We'll see all at six.
It's like, I don't wanna get out of these clothes and I don't wanna go to a bar and get loaded.
It's not long enough to go
home.
Yeah, exactly.
And get comfy and get something done.
It's basically, now I gotta go home and I'm all dressed up and I gotta hang around for three and a half hours
before I go back.
Yeah,
exactly, exactly.
I just really appreciate it because it was very beautiful and very, very fun.
And I think more people should do it.
Weddings, we are talking all about weddings, day weddings versus night weddings at 855-752-4842.
Jesse from Oak Creek texting in the word text.
Thank you.
Keep up the great work of letting people know what's happening in politics in the US and in Wisconsin.
Oh, thanks for that, Jesse.
I do have a quote.
Jesse, I'm just gonna say this, I don't think your vote was counted because I don't think you did it through the app because when it comes through on the app, there's a little symbol if you look right above that.
So I think if you don't have the app, Jesse, you have to text through the app and just that word.
But we appreciate your comments.
Thank you very much.
Andrew from Maine Day weddings on Sunday through Thursday for those of us that have to work with a travel wedding should be wrapped up and done by two PM.
Boom.
There it is.
Thank you.
Thank you, Andrew from Maine.
Thank you.
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Day weddings versus night weddings, or just all weddings.
Good.
Troy from Mount Horub is on the line.
Good morning, Troy.
Thanks for joining us.
Good morning.
We had a night wedding, but we did it at the same venue.
So it was a funeral home.
But it was it was a old restaurant that was turned into a funeral home and so we had the wedding where the Funeral normally is sure and then the reception in the restaurant area and the restaurant area had a deck So it was really pretty and we the heaters going it was October So yeah that
the whole thing all at one setting and right after each other.
One shot.
Boom, you're done.
Yeah, and got her done.
Got her
done.
There it
is.
I love
it, Troy.
And I love that it was an old funeral home.
That's perfect.
I feel like I'm sitting here going, really?
And you're like, yep.
Yes, absolutely.
As you
grew up in it.
The chapels are perfect for that.
I mean, we could have had weddings on the first floor of my family home because we lived upstairs.
Yeah.
So yeah, the chapels are perfect for that.
Did you and your husband have a night wedding?
Was it a, would it be considered a traditional wedding layout?
No.
Because
I
I we did it all in one shot to like Troy did and like Dan did and I want to say the ceremony was about 4 30 5 o'clock.
Yeah, it took
all 10 minutes
Yeah, and then we had it at the Charles Alice Museum in Milwaukee, which was
fantastic
Yeah, they have a great patio there.
So after the ceremony We all went outside on the patio as they knocked everything down and set it up for dinner and we and then we just went back in so I would say
within four and a half hours, five hours it was done.
And again, I grew up with the church wedding is at 11 and takes an hour and then all the pictures of the bridal party and all of that stuff.
And then everyone goes bar hopping for four and a half hours and then reconvenes at the reception.
That's what I grew up
with.
Too many brandy old fashions before you get to the reception.
It's too much.
I've gone to weddings
where the groom was so annihilated.
I felt badly for the bride.
Oh,
yeah.
I went to a wedding once and it was a huge wedding, a gigantic wedding.
And the bride and her family had told the groom and his groom's men, if you go to a bar, because what they did was they took pictures separately and then they came together and took pictures.
But they said, if you go to a bar and you guys get wasted, like there would be serious consequences.
What are they going to do?
I don't know, but here's what happened.
Here's what happened.
The bridal party went to a bar and got wasted instead.
Like the bride came in tanked.
Oh man.
And I'm like, why are my aunt and uncle here?
My cousin was standing up in the wedding and they were just wasted beyond belief.
And there's the groom's party like, yeah, we've been
drinking
water because you said there would be consequences.
Yeah.
Trying to, yeah.
Well, these are Wisconsin weddings.
These are very Wisconsin wedding stories.
In between of the wedding and the reception, that's where it gets dangerous.
That's where I like.
having everything in one place.
And we had, for us, we had the wedding outside.
We had the reception and everything inside at night and all of that.
Boom, boom, you're done.
Are we still doing weddings like that in Wisconsin?
I would be very curious if we're still having the church ceremony at 11 and then the reception doesn't start until five.
Do we still do that?
I would say that I would depend on where you are in Wisconsin and maybe who is even paying for it because if parents are paying, they might, they might say something the effect of.
We're paying for it.
So this is what's happening.
I mean, I know that as going to weddings in the city and in Madison, you see working on a theme, but it's like.
It's starting the ceremony later.
It's only 10, 15 minutes.
Let's party.
Let's have a good time.
We're done.
You know, it's more of an evening affair than an all day thing.
An all day commitment really is what
it is.
Jenny on the live stream.
More small private wedding ceremonies, please with big casual parties at a later date.
Thank you very much.
Absolutely.
That's good too.
There you go.
Can I tell you about my least favorite trend in wedding stuff that's been happening?
When people have these weddings and say, hey, we'd prefer you not to bring your kids.
Have you guys been to any of these weddings where they say don't bring your kids to the wedding?
I hate this.
As a parent of young kids who wants to see the kids run around and dance and make fools out of themselves.
My
wife
and I did that.
That's a
whole other discussion that we will have to shelve for
a
later date.
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Lots of things happen over the weekend.
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Lots of things break like late Friday afternoon.
It's called a news dump.
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Calvin, that means it's time for this shouldn't be a thing.
If you ever ever thing you think should not be send it into Greg and me a Jane says at civicmedia.us big wedding Happening this weekend in Venice, Italy The sky is no limits for billionaire Jeff Bezos and fiance Lauren Sanchez They have a three-day wedding going on in Venice right now the wedding
Which actually, they've only invited 200 people, which I thought it was gonna be much more than that.
That's actually not insane.
That seems like a small amount of people for...
Also, a 200-person wedding and it's still costing 50 million
dollars.
These went 40 and 48 million euros, which is 56 million dollars.
56 million dollars for a three-day party.
That seems like a lot.
That shouldn't be a thing.
That's kind of why we used it for this.
Venice, Venetians, by the way, were not not happy about this at all because they were, because Venice has had a lot of problems.
Too many tourists.
Yeah.
And with cruise ships and any everything.
And if you have been to Venice, it's a very small area.
And it's not built for hundreds of thousands of people
and tourists.
aren't generally known for their respect of
the locals and the
locals and the yep and all like Does that mean every single one of them is not I know I'm not there's but there are people who walk around cities taking pictures standing in ways yelling screaming
trying to get the locals to be local for them.
So yeah, I can understand why.
I mean, we're seeing this a lot with other countries.
No
more tourists.
Iceland a few years ago, flat-out said, no more Americans.
Spain did the same
thing.
Yeah, please don't come here.
Yeah,
we don't want you.
Yeah.
Again, the Bezos Sanchez wedding expected to cost only $56 million.
That's over 1,000 times
The average cost of American couples' weddings last year, the average cost for an American wedding, which I think is still too much, is $36,000.
$36,000.
That
is, to me, sounds almost low now.
It doesn't seem like the average...
I would think nowadays it'd be $40,000, $50,000 just with inflation.
And not to mention the wedding taxes you have to pay when you're ordering flowers, a cake, those types of things.
When they find out it's a wedding, it's a different price tag.
That's why you should always be like, it's a cake for a family gathering.
So don't tell them
it's a wedding cake?
Don't tell
them it's a wedding.
I'm looking off a lot of money for a wedding.
It is, again, it is believed that they got married already in the US because if you get married overseas, that is not necessarily valid here in the US.
So it's believed that Jeff and Lauren already tied the knot and signed a pretty hefty prenup of agreement.
I mean, I said this to you earlier.
I bet you the prenup is simply just one piece of paper saying, if anything goes wrong, I'll give you $10 billion.
I think it's more complicated
than that.
Yeah, I'm
sure it is.
I'm sure.
And Calvin said in our chat, he goes, billionaires only really narrows down the guest list.
I saw Oprah.
It's true.
And that's the thing is like you, I see these people who are talking about like real change in this world and we need to help people.
And then I see them getting off of boats to this $56 million.
And these are
I don't know.
It just seems like a party of rich people.
And I'm like, I wouldn't even want to go to that.
But
I will say on their behalf, Jeff Bezos has donated reportedly a considerable amount of money to an organization working in Venice to keep the lagoons clean and things like that.
Good for you.
I'd like how about 56 million more dollars to a
great American charity.
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Right now, though, we wanted to talk about a lot of people are applying for US passports.
And as always, there are some terrible people out there who want to scam you.
That's why she is here from the Better Business Bureau, Lisa Schiller.
Good morning, Lisa.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Good morning.
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
So let's talk about these scammers with
passports, what is going on for that?
And how can people protect themselves?
There's always something new going on, right?
This is the thing now.
We've been receiving a lot of reports to our BBB scam tracker.
People are jumping online as they do for everything.
You know, they're looking for a mover, they're looking to get a passport or a visa.
They do an internet search and up pops websites.
They click on them and start entering very personal information.
So
Again, seeing this uptick on passport and visa scans, this really involves a fraudulent website that people don't realize are fraudulent initially.
That trick people into paying for either obtaining or renewing travel documents such as visas and passports.
And it's not inexpensive.
I mean, I want to say renewing your passport is like $150, isn't it?
Yeah, you know and here's the thing is that a lot of these websites the price will be a little bit lower But yeah, and I think that's what kind of lures people in sure like I'm looking right now at some you know notes I made I looked up some of the scam reports somebody paid $98 somebody paid $66 but then said that they had to pay $25 extra for some service fees, so I think you know I
initially to people that $66 may look cheaper.
But then as they move along in the process, oh, well, now I have to pay this shipping fee or whatever it might service fee.
Well, and not to mention, as you said, Lisa, all of the personal information you need to provide in order to get a passport, you don't want to be giving that out to the wrong people.
That's your social security number.
I think that's really the worst part of the whole thing, you know, is all your personal information, especially when applying for a passport or a visa, you know, you expect to include every piece of information possible about yourself.
You know, nobody, a red flag would not go up like, oh geez, I shouldn't be giving my social security number.
You know, so there's applying all this information and, you know, I hate to even think where it's going to end up.
This is one of those, like the passport for me,
is one of those instances where I want to walk into a place.
Like I walk into the post office or I walk into triple A. They do, they help with passports as well.
And you talk to them first and you get the, cause you're right.
We are such a Google heavy society, Lisa that we just Google.
And if it's the first
thing that comes up,
if it's the top three, they have to be reputable, right?
There's, you can't be, you can't be on there if you're not reputable, Lisa.
So yeah, those are one of those things where even now I'm, I'm on my second passport.
I've been through the process.
I know what to do when I have to renew in like seven or eight years.
I'm going to do the same thing.
I'm going to go to the post office.
I'm going to say, all right, I need to renew.
What do I need?
Because I need to have that official confirmation tonight.
I don't really want to do it online.
It just even, even if the website's legit, I'm like, this doesn't make it a little twitchy.
Yeah.
Makes it a little twitchy.
Right.
Right.
You know, as it should, I mean, you know, like you said, I mean, even if the website is legitimate, you know, you're still a little leery.
And I think that's, you know, kind of where we're at in the world right now.
But, you know, bringing that up,
It's very important to note for people that really only a legitimate website will end in dot gov when it comes to the government and offering these types of You know travel documents or official documents of any kind You know be very weary of comm of course and even dot org You know in in these cases you have to look for a dot gov.
In fact, I put out a press release
Just this week on a particular scam website that we've been receiving a lot of reports on which was us passport and visa.org And I think that org is throwing people off and they're moving forward with it and they're losing about $88 a piece.
Well, and
that's the other thing too is on top of the the Volunteered information that can be used for whatever You're paying you pay that $66 and you pay that $50 for this and the $25 for the shipping fee, but then
when you find out it's not a real thing, then you just have to pay the $150 anyways
to get the
actual passport.
Yeah,
then you got to start all over.
Right, exactly.
Yeah, it's crazy.
You know, and like you said earlier, you know, everybody is going to Google, you know, I do it, we all do it for everything.
I feel like every time I talk about any kind of scam, it starts out that way, you know, whether it be, you know, moving scams or
You know, the grant, whatever it is, you know, it starts with online shopping scenes.
It starts with people Googling.
So have to be really careful.
Would you, and really quick too about this is, I think we always bring this up is that I think people have a tendency on this topic to think that scams affect the older folks, the elderly, those who aren't as tech savvy, but that's not true at all.
These, especially is something where you're looking at passports and.
Visas.org that's something that anyone can fall for that's something that anyone can say.
Oh, this looks official.
This is this looks legit those scams know no age
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, that is a very good point and and you actually you know with with a lot of scams nowadays I want us I don't know maybe most is is going too far but with a lot of scams we're seeing the younger
age groups falling for them.
And I think that's because, you know, the younger age groups are online more than so
much.
Sure.
If you're
just
joining us, we're speaking to Lisa Schiller from the Better Business Bureau of Wisconsin, and we're talking about the latest and
the freshest scam that's out there, which is a passport scam.
And of course, as I said before, if you're looking to get your passport online, make sure it ends in .gov, go from there or go to your local post office.
They'll take care of you as well.
You mentioned the moving scam, Lisa.
What is the moving scam?
Cause I know that when we moved into our house, even it wasn't even Googling, it wasn't even Googling off that website.
It was through U-Haul.
They offered all these services for movers and you could click a moving service.
look at their review and sometimes they said things like, I paid, they didn't show up.
And that's it.
They have your money.
Is that what you're talking about?
Or is it something more nefarious?
Yeah, no, and I mentioned moving because I happen to do a TV interview yesterday with a TV local TV reporter in regards to moving scams We see these on a regular basis with better business bureau did a study on moving scams just a couple of years ago and We've updated that information as well.
So moving scams really involve moving companies that
appear to be local, appear to be real legitimate moving companies, but really are either rogue movers or they could be brokers, third parties.
There's just so much involved when it comes to people moving.
May was national moving month, and we know that not only in the month of May because of college students ending their term, but it being summer in Wisconsin,
This is a good timing moving nobody wants to move in the middle of winter if they don't have to so it's just a more common time So I think the story was very timely, but you know We really just wanted to send out a message that you know watch out for for moving scams And you don't know who you're hiring to move your items a lot of times What happens is the companies don't want to come out and do an actual estimate and view your you know the items that you have
The merchandise that you have they want to give you an estimate over the phone which can sometimes be okay, but you know you have to be very Aware of the fact that you know once they come and pick up your items You know what is that price going to go up?
Is it going to double is it?
You know are they going to move your items and then once they drop it off say
You know, because if we hear this often, you know, I'm now you owe, you know, a lot more money because you have a lot more items than we expected.
And then, you know, the person goes, well, wait a minute, I agreed on this price and they go, well, guess what?
We're not giving you your stuff.
Your whole life is in our truck and now you're stuck.
And that is what we see happen all the time.
They, they hold the items hostage.
I mean, we've known, uh, you know, companies to, uh, and I use the term loosely sometimes.
But they put the items in storage and go, heck, if they're not going to pay us, then we're not giving them their stuff.
And that's what happens.
And so
how do we protect ourselves from this, Lisa?
Right.
Well, you've got to do your research on the front end.
You have to know who you're hiring.
Do your research.
Know who you're hiring.
Know where the company is.
They're well-established.
Um, you know ask a lot of questions when you talk to the moving company Make sure that you know, you ask if they're going to do the entire move or are they hiring a third party?
Is there going to be a broker involved because oftentimes there is and people don't realize that uh, you know until uh A truck shows up without any lettering on it.
Um, and even then people, you know, just kind of think oh the moving company's here Well, it's not the moving company that you contracted with or that you hired
you know, initially.
So, you know, ask a lot of questions, make sure you have a contract, make sure everything is spelled out in that contract, you know, as far as the costs, the pickup date, the delivery date, the place of pickup, the place of delivery, you can ask enough questions, really.
Unfortunately, that means that we're going to all have to start reading all the fine print on everything.
Those incy-beancy little teeny things that you can
barely read.
Yes.
Well, I think another, I think another aspect that's very valuable is if you are of a certain age, you have friends who have moved and you ask advice and you ask questions like, did you get movers?
Who did you use?
Did you like the experience?
My wife had an experience when she moved to Wisconsin.
She went through a broker who hired a company in Illinois and a company in Wisconsin, the company, the moving company.
Illinois got the wrong size truck and the company in Wisconsin never showed up.
So it was just a terrible experience from top to bottom.
So it's those are the things you have to go through to to say like, all right, well, now we know our lesson and we'll tell other people we said before and share what you know, if you have a friend who's moving.
share your experience.
855-752-4842.
If you have a question for Lisa Schiller from the Better Business Bureau talking about scams, there's a whole bunch of them out there.
Ollie from the North Woods is on the line.
Good morning, Ollie.
Thanks for joining us.
What did you want to ask?
Good morning and hi, Lisa.
I've been wondering about this for a long time.
So many times you see the ads for this card or that card where you get
free money from the government to buy your groceries or do whatever you want with the money on this card.
I want to know, can you tell me, are they scams?
Are they for real or is it an insurance company trying to sell insurance?
Is this something you're familiar with, Lisa?
You know, I have to be honest, I am not at all.
I have not heard of this.
But, you know, in cases like this, I would invite you to please send me a, send me a photocopy.
You know, I'll be happy to look into it and get back to you personally.
and let you know what I found out.
I'm not familiar with
those cards.
Well, Lisa and Ollie, we'll put a link in our show notes so that you can email Lisa Schiller from the Better Business Bureau.
But the one thing I would say, that sounds too good to be true.
If the government is coming to you and saying, here's a debit card with free money on it, on us, that would,
I
think that should be a little warning sign to you.
We're gonna continue
our
conversation with Lisa Schiller from the Better Business Bureau.
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She is from the better business bureau.
We're talking all things scams.
Lisa Schiller.
is here and we wanted to talk a little bit about charity scams.
I, and I'm embarrassed to admit this because we have talked to you numerous times and I like to think I'm pretty savvy about scams because you've been a guest so often and I, you know, I'm, I know what I'm talking about.
I know what to look out for.
Yeah, no.
I fell for one over the weekend.
We have a colleague who has some medical issues with his family.
And I saw a post on social media, they're looking for, it's a go, you know, go, we're raising funds as, as their family goes through this medical problem.
And I jumped right on it and donated money.
And until I got a text a short time later from a colleague here at Civic Media who said, yeah, we did that three days ago and it was a scam.
So I ended up canceling my credit card.
I put in a dispute for the charge.
We'll see whether or not I get that back.
But how do we get more educated about those things, those charity scams, those GoFundMe kinds of things, Lisa?
Yeah, the GoFundMe is an entirely different thing.
And I could see how you would, I don't want to say fall for that.
But yeah, I mean, I could see that happening.
First of all when it comes to giving we're doing it with our hearts, right and and that's what leads us and You know, I think we've all done this where we've seen you know as a plea on social media or something and it tugs at our heartstrings and we can't give quick enough I know I've done it as well Jane and and those are especially tricky is that what happened?
Did you find out it was a fake go fund me page?
It was a fake.
Yep.
It
was a
fake.
Yep.
It was a fake charity.
Yep
Fake fundraiser.
Those are the worst.
And I know those people
burn.
I'm sorry, but I'm just going to throw that out there.
I hope they burn really slowly.
I'm just saying.
No, I hear you.
You know, that's just it.
If you see a GoFundMe or, you know, some type of plea for a donation, I guess you really have to, you know, maybe check with somebody before making the donation to make sure that it's legitimate.
And I know it's gonna take a little bit of extra time, but before you go ahead and insert your credit card number in, maybe just if there's any way to check with someone else, make sure it's
legit.
Yeah, I could have directly reached out to my colleague.
One text would probably have done it, and I would have, you're right, it was just taking that one extra step to make sure that it was legitimate, which I did not do.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, and that's because you let, you know, you lead with your heart and that's, you know, we're human and that just makes sense really.
And again, those GoFundMe's are a little bit harder than, you know, than others because, you know, in any other case, I would say, you know, verify charity is legitimacy through the Better Business Bureau's charity arm, our website, give.org, you know, or another one.
But, you know, in that case, it's the situation is a little bit different.
Lisa, in the time we have left, you mentioned something about a press release you put out about storm chasers.
I am intrigued.
Yeah.
Well, it's that time of year where we're seeing at least I feel, you know, and I feel like every year it gets to be a little bit more and more.
There's more storms.
There's more tornadoes.
We hear about more hurricanes, flooding, right?
Wildfires.
Absolutely.
All
of
it.
Yep.
Yeah.
And so, you know, all of these types of natural disasters bring out really the best in people, um, and strangers that help in need, but it also unfortunately brings out, uh, you know, contractors who might want to take advantage of those who have already been victimized.
Um, so we did put out a warning and we have this weird weather going on again.
Um, we just want to make sure that homeowners, uh, are very aware that
You know, there are storm chasers and out-of-town contractors that like to solicit for business.
They go door to door.
And of course, I'll put a disclaimer that not all door to door contractors model storm chasers are scammers, but many of them may lack the proper licensing
that they
need.
They, you know, are not always local, which can be a problem should you need.
you know something down the road they're not just you know up the street where they can come out and you know fix uh you know something that came off of your roof that they had fixated on so um you know very important we have some really great tips number one contact your insurance company first so if you get contacted at your doorstep
you know somebody telling you that they're in your area they were doing work or they were driving by their contractor they happen to notice oh look at your roof right you know look like you had some hail damage you know people can be caught off guard and they can you know become very uh you know uh you know uh what nervous sure um and you know yeah because they're you know they they weren't aware of that and now someone's knocking on their door telling them oh there's a problem that's bad yeah
Yeah, so number one contact your insurance company ask about your policy coverage You know, maybe they will send somebody out to inspect the so-called damage before anything else is done And of course be especially careful of any door-to-door contractors oftentimes they they request that you sign over insurance checks to them All the time better business bureau recommends getting an invoice from the contractor and paying them directly if that is the case
uh, you know, always pay with a credit card if there's any payment from you that is needed.
Um, be cautious of any request to pay it upfront or of course in full upfront, um, storm chasers like to ask for full payment or very large down payment before any work begins, right?
Or any supplies are delivered.
Uh, this is a red flag.
And, you know, be wary of, uh, places you can't see like I just mentioned, um, you know, not only your roof, um, but also, you know, crawl spaces and, uh, you know,
That's it.
Lisa Schiller from the Better Business Bureau.
We will include all the contact information in there.
Use the scam tracker.
It's
very, very valuable.
Lisa, thank you so much.
Really enjoy when you join us and thank you for making me feel better about myself.
I appreciate that.
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We call it Audio Sorbet.
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the ears Just so we can all take a breath and maybe have a couple of chuckles.
We're gonna get in that many years and clean them.
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So This came up last week Yeah, we didn't get around to this but here is the Question of the day.
Yeah, do you still balance your checkbook?
8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 do you still
Balance your checkbook.
That's our audio survey question for today.
855-752-4842.
And if you
place your hand upon your ear and listen to the West, you can just hear all the people under 40 going, what?
They do what?
You did what?
You do what?
Oh, my MEMA has a checkbook.
But now you know someone.
Well, I don't just know someone.
I know someone.
Some ones?
Yes.
No, no, no, no.
So one older, one younger.
That was, so I was hanging out with my mother-in-law, wonderful lady, Patty Becker, what's up?
And she was talking about still balancing her checkbook.
And it's just something she does.
It, you know, of course it does the job it's supposed to do, but it's also like a, it makes me feel better
thing.
I understand.
I like to know where all my pennies are.
And this is one
way I can do that.
I do not balance my checkbook.
I do not own a checkbook.
I do not write checks.
If I, I pay everything online.
And the only thing I would ever pull checks out for live cashier checks were for rent because I had, I had landlords in the past who would hold on to rent checks for a while until he got all of them.
And then Oh, that would
really screw up your
balance.
Exactly.
So.
So I don't deal with it.
I don't I mean fine do your thing, but I was I just sort of attributed it to like oh My mother-in-law is almost 80.
Of course.
She bows the checkbook.
She loves law and swell cuz adorable then my friend who is I'm three years younger than me shot up and goes I still balance my checkbook too.
I'm like oh I am the one who's out of place here right now.
You're the one I am I am not of the I am not of the cool cuz you know how you know how like
Bell bottoms always come back and records are now back with quite ferocity.
Trends return.
Yeah.
People listen to cassette tapes again.
I don't know why.
Maybe balancing checkbooks is the new cool retro thing to do.
Oh, could be.
Could be.
It could be.
I mean, that would, that would mean we are
embracing all kinds of retro things.
That would mean you'd have to go to a bank.
I don't mean just like, like texture bank.
You have to walk into a bank.
Go into the physical bank.
Order checks.
Wait for them to be delivered.
They're not just going to be like, oh, here's your digital scan copy of checks.
It's a process.
Once you get that big folder of checks, then someone has to teach you how to write a check.
Because I guarantee you a lot of people don't know how to write checks.
That's really interesting.
I never thought of that.
It's an involved process.
You got to get all the information correct or else.
You never know.
So we got two questions going.
Oh boy.
Do you
know how to write a check?
And do you still balance your checkbook?
855-752-4842, 855-75 Civic Todd from Depeer listening in Green Bay on WGBW says, I do balance my checkbook, but I use Excel every day.
Okay.
Rich in Wisconsin Rapids listening on WAUK.
Yup, I've been balancing for 51 years.
There you go.
Good for you.
I was never to say, I was, I have a, I was given the great gift of financial literacy from a very young age, not always responsibility cause I'm, you know, but financial literacy, I started writing checks at a young age.
I started having my own, being responsible for my own money at a young age.
But what's funny is that my parents never sat me down and said, all right, we're going to teach you how to balance your checkbook.
That always felt like something adults did.
I started writing checks.
probably in my early teens,
because
I had my own checking account.
And of course it was supervised by my parents, but I never learned how to balance a checkbook.
Plus it's also math, which at that age was like, no, thank you.
I'll just be broke.
I'd
rather be surprised.
I'd rather write a bad check than do mathematics.
Do you still balance your checkbook?
Do you still write checks, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, that's eight, five, five, seven, five, civic.
There are a couple of things I still write checks for.
Like what?
The city of the water department.
Yeah.
I write a check to them quarterly.
Why do you do that?
Because it comes in the mail.
And I pay it.
I get my little card in the mail every, I think we pay it every other month.
I have a dashboard set up online, and I get an email saying your water bill is available, and I literally pay the water bill the moment I get it.
That day.
Because the first time I got a water bill, I paid it, then the second one, I just forgot about it.
And then the next water bill was like twice as much, and then I realized that.
It's an
unpleasant
surprise.
I do not write checks for that.
No, I just don't write checks.
I just don't.
And I did balance my checkbook for years and years and years.
Do you do what?
Roger from Steven's point it does he monitors his checking account through his
app see now I now I just check the now I check the bank website
Exactly, and
that's where I know how where I am I
have but
I but I do not fill out the physical Check recorder
and no no
haven't done that in a long time.
I have the same thing I check my app all the time And also I get notifications on my phone that say you know
Your account has been debited.
There's been a spending on your account and everything matches.
So if something even, even honestly, Jane, if it's like, if I go to quick trip and buy a soda for a buck five, it's telling me a buck five has been spent.
So I always know what's going
on.
checks.
Roger, from Steven's point, I monitor my checking account weekly, so I balance my checkbook through my bank's app.
Jan from Oak Creek, I balance my checkbook every day online for security, and because I must, I have gotten in trouble many years ago, now keeping a good track of it, and I have learned I must discipline myself
to
do it every day.
I don't write checks, though I do carry one in my purse, just in case.
And I keep the paper and pencil ledger.
of my check, my checkbook too.
Good for you, Jen.
Yeah.
But
again, good for you for recognizing that you got in trouble because you weren't paying close enough attention to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then honestly, like we always hear stories of identity theft and whatnot, but there are stories out there of people just like someone getting your information spent in
35 bucks on something or you know, it's so small they can get in there and
send those little Oh,
yeah, and and also fees are out there and it just it's a good you know The question of do you balance your checkbook is one that is is fun to talk about but it really that financial literacy of your account being being Vigilant and looking at whether it's in your checkbook whether it's online whether it's going to the bank and asking for a printout of your History, which they will do for you.
Yeah, but yeah, Jan.
That's very very good stuff to do but
I don't think I can't there's no there's no way I'm going back to checks I know thank you nothing anything well most of the places I go anyways don't accept them
yeah and you hate to well for one thing you hate to be the person at the grocery store pulling out the check with four people behind you because you will hear the collective groan do they even still accept checks anymore I think it depends about where you shop yeah I mean maybe in smaller yeah smaller communities Mike Gavin do you even know how to write a check
as our resident young person.
You know, I'm slightly offended by that, but I'll take it and try it.
Yes, I do know how to write a check.
I have a checkbook that being said, the last time I used it was probably paying rent in college.
So it's been a couple of years since I've even used it.
Wow.
Calvin, I was not
expecting an answer at all.
So you have every right to feel
insulted by that because I mean honestly at your age and there's a lot of landlords out there who accept Venmo or will do direct bank transfers and things that so I would absolutely assume that not only would I assume you didn't have a checkbook but you wouldn't know how because young people don't
Don't have
to you don't have to it's not something you need to do is to survive
see and maybe that's a generational thing too because the whole Venmo thing just makes me twitchy
I don't think it's a general.
I don't think it's a generation thing I know plenty people your age who are on Venmo.
I
know again because I Know why it's like I we are so automated and so there's I just know let me ask you a question
Have you bought anything online?
Perhaps what's the difference?
There's a little lock in the left-hand
corner.
You think Venmo is just like, it's like some guy named Steve.
His name is
Steve Venmo.
Hey Calvin, you gotta pay Jane.
I'll give us some money.
You pay me back later.
It's
just the newer technologies all, I'm like, I'm gonna wait.
I want to sit back a little bit and watch
this.
Venmo didn't come out
last month.
It's been around for a long time.
Not
for a decade.
Almost.
Those peer-to-peer paying sites have been around for a while.
I'll make you a Venmo site.
And it's secure.
I don't know.
I don't want it.
I'm not going to use it.
You sound like my mom.
You can't make me.
You sound like my mom when CDs came out.
She's like, I won't need CDs.
I have all these tapes.
And then a month or two later, she's like, I bought the Beatles
White album on CD.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Do you still?
Balance your checkbook.
Do you still write checks?
Kurt from Eau Claire, I have had a checkbook for 46 years and never balanced it.
I write checks now because I refuse to pay convenience fees.
And now with the internet, I check my Friday every week
on Fridays.
That's a great thing to do.
That's really smart.
That's very, very smart.
Yeah, convenience fees ends.
I never thought about that.
I mean, they'll charge you fees no matter what.
If they can.
Yeah, exactly.
Cindy from Appleton is on the line.
Good morning, Cindy.
Thanks for joining us.
What do you want to say about this?
Well, Venmo, what's Venmo?
Oh, stop.
You've heard of Venmo, Cindy.
Thank you, Cindy.
I'm serious.
I have no idea what half of these things are.
And I do like you, Jane.
I go on my account online just about daily to make sure everything looks cultured.
But I'm starting to feel like I'm being discriminated against.
And I'll give you a little story from this weekend.
Continue.
Continue.
I went to, I was down in Fort Atkinson for an event Friday night and on my way home, I'm doing this 30 trails challenge with the Fox, these greenways.
So I stopped at the glacial river trail, rolled about six, seven miles on that.
And then I went up to Jefferson and got on the glacial drumming trail.
And when I got to the glacial drumming trail,
There was no place to pay anything except with a QR code.
I don't have a smartphone.
I can't use a QR code.
So I called the office number and I said, what am I supposed to do?
I don't have a way to do this.
I'm an old lady.
I don't believe in all this crap.
And so she said, well, nobody's going to do anything.
Don't worry about it.
And I said, well, tell you what, when I get home, I'll make a payment online, which is what I did.
But I'm like, this is baloney.
You are such a, you are such a good person for doing that, Cindy.
I think
it's so funny.
Good for you.
I will, I do, I do not have a smartphone.
I'll go online at home and do it.
Because she's a
good responsible human being.
Well done, Cindy.
You both
are silly, Billy's.
That's great.
All right, when we return, we're gonna wrap it up with this shouldn't be a thing, the Lost and Found Edition.
Stay close.
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We've won an award.
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We did became second second I'll take that but we are so multi award-winning adjacent I am so proud of all of our friends whether it's I think it's Brittany Merleau Dan Schaefer Lauren Burke Melissa K.
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Dan Schaffer will be here tomorrow to do some recombulating.
Lots of things going on, including the Supreme Court decisions from yesterday that we talked a little bit about earlier this morning, but Dan will break that down and also the latest.
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Yes.
About whether or not Governor Evers should run for another term and just all kinds of things that came out in that poll yesterday.
And I know Dan takes a real close look at that.
So we will do that tomorrow when Dan joins us in our number two right now.
It's 1054.
Calvin, that means it's time for.
This shouldn't be a thing.
If you find the thing you think should not be, send it into Greg and me at janesaysatcivicmedia.us, J-A-N-E-S-A-Y-S, janesaysatcivicmedia.us.
Today's tis bet from the Associated Press.
Headline reads with, oh, no one has the byline on this.
No one wanted to own this.
The headline reads, an Alaska brown bear has a new shiny smile.
after getting a huge metal crown for a canine tooth.
There's video that I think is worth...
looking at just because that is the biggest snout I have ever seen with like, you know, one of those dental sprayer things in his mouth.
You want to watch the video.
Sir, there's going to be some suction here.
Just some suction.
This might stick a little.
An Alaska brown bear at the Lake Superior Zoo in northern Minnesota has a brand new silver colored canine tooth in the first of its kind bear procedure.
The 800-pound bear was sedated Monday, fitted with a new crown, the largest dental crown ever created, according to The Zoo.
Zoo marketing manager Caroline Routley says he's got a little glint in his smile now.
He's walking down the way, just like, what's up, everybody?
He's styling.
Oh, yeah.
He's styling.
The hour-long procedure done by Dr. Grace Brown helped perform a root canal on the same tooth on that bear two years ago.
Oh, my gosh.
When he re-injured the tooth, they decided to give him a new stronger crown.
The titanium alloyed crown was created from a waxed cast of his tooth.
Nice.
And actually the dentist who did there, the veterinary dentist who did this is going to publish a paper on this procedure later on this year.
When asked for comment, the veterinary dentist said, are you sure he's asleep?
I need like a lot of reassurance on this one.
Please tell me he's not going to wake
up.
Double check.
Just poke him with this pokey thing.
Literally poking the barrier.
Yeah, exactly.
This is the largest, largest crown ever created in the world.
Therefore it
has to be published.
The bear named Tundra, along with his sibling Banks, Banks and Tundra have been at the Duluth Zoo since they were three months old.
Their mother was killed in the wild.
Tundra is now six years old.
Other veterinary teams have not always been so lucky.
One in 2009 was performing a routine medical exam on a tiger.
Yeah, that didn't go well.
The tiger came out of sedation early, causing it to bite down.
No, thank you.
But in this instance, tundra the bear, he's good.
And he's smiling.
And he's styling.
Tundra and banks sounds like a personal injury, like law firm.
Tundra and banks, have you been mauled by a bear during a routine orthodontic appointment?
Tundra and banks.
We'll sue for you.
We'll sue.
When it comes to getting your money, we're
great.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you very much.
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We got a busy show tomorrow too, that's gonna be really fun, it's gonna be great.
Absolutely, and are you gonna make it to any games?
Yes, I promise you, and I'm going to, I'm going to go to a game.
I'm looking to go to a game.
Oh, I was supposed to, I was asked, there's a Saturday and I can't go, but I'm going to try to go next week.
I'm going to try to actually go, I've got a nice, as you know, club is closed for the summer.
I'm
going to try to have myself go to a few games.
I think you
should.
I
think I should as well.
So, and I'll have stuff to report.
And if I get those tickets, and if you see me there in the club level with you, because you know I'm using company tickets, I'll say it's a perk.
Take some pictures.
Take some pictures.
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