You're listening to Civic Media.
You can tune into any of our live shows on any radio station across the state with the Civic Media app.
Find us in your phone's app store and listen anytime,
anywhere.
Coming to you live from our studio at Radio Park in Racine, you can join us, call or text the number is the same, 855-752-4842.
You can also leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter.
It is back tomorrow free ticket Fridays.
You will have five chances to pick up a four pack of Milwaukee Brewer's tickets listening during mornings with Pat Krightlow.
Our show, Matt Nair on Air, from 9 to 11.
Tom Hartman, 11 to 2.
Todd Alba, 2 to 4.
And then Maggie Dawn, 4 to 6.
Each of us will have a keyword for you tomorrow that you want to text in via the Civic Media app.
And you are in the running again for a four pack of Milwaukee Brewer's tickets, club level seats, good seats.
Oh, fancy, fancy cushiony, fancy cushiony seats.
So that is coming up tomorrow.
Free ticket Fridays is back coming up today.
It's Thursday.
We have lots of stuff coming up.
Jim Santel, our colleague and friend here at Civic Media, host of amicus, a law review on Saturdays across the network.
Jim will be here after the 9 30 news.
Lots of things going on that we can talk to Jim about, including the legality.
We talked about this a little bit yesterday of ice officers.
Taking people into custody when they have no identifiers on
them.
I don't understand how that's legal.
Or masking their faces or just
making it
seem absolutely impossible to identify who is in fact arresting
you.
who is legitimate law enforcement.
So that, and many other things, we will kick around with Jim Santel.
In our number two, civic media meteorologist, Brittany Merleau will be here around 1020 for a little weather and wine.
We have some really hot weather coming this weekend.
Yes, we do.
Already some heat warnings out there.
So just keep that in mind.
And Brittany will let us know how long that, I believe it's a heat dome.
Okay.
That's what I've read.
Wow.
Yes.
How long that heat dome is going to be around and how long we're going to be in these steamy weather conditions.
Acme packing company sports guru Paul Noonan here at 1035 to talk all things sports.
And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.
Today it's the happy trail next edition.
Some people.
Yeah.
Some people.
That's coming up around 1051.
I hope you can stick around for that.
Wanted to start off though, the Wisconsin state budget remains in limbo.
Yeah.
Some Republicans saying, yeah, we're just, you know, I don't want to sign anything.
We'll just, we'll just go with the deal that we had.
It's
not bad enough.
Let's make it
worse.
Let's make it worse.
Todd Alba actually kind of broke this day before yesterday.
on his program and even the night before on social media that the Republicans want to cut more money from the UW system.
This from WPR Sean Johnson with the byline Robin Voss as assembly Republicans back $87 million cut to the UW budget.
Governor Evers had asked for an $855 million increase.
Which we knew wasn't going to happen.
That's almost a billion dollars.
We've talked about this a little bit before, like negotiations, you start high and then you come down a little bit lower to what you were actually shooting for.
But yeah, now they're like, no, we're not going to give any money.
And in fact, we want to cut $87 million from the UW budget.
I mean, I'm surprised it's only $87 million.
And, and I'm sure Jane, it's for measured really well thought out reasons too.
Well said.
Yeah, Robin Boss says, quote, it's not about cutting money.
What it is about is getting some kind of reforms to the broken process we currently have.
Popcorn King says there is still too much political correctness on campus and not enough respect for political diversity, quote,
We want to ensure that whatever happens on campus, it is a free exchange of ideas, really.
That's the basic basis for what university should be, unquote.
He also said something about we need to make sure that conservative students are comfortable on campus.
I thought they
hated safe spaces.
I thought they hated higher education.
I thought they hated coddling and snowflaking and all that stuff.
Didn't Scott Walker's two kids go to UW Madison?
Didn't a bunch of people who are conservative go to UW Madison and Harvard and Yale and every other university they hate.
It's also, tell me why, tell me why cutting $87 million will help them achieve this goal?
If they wanted to create a place that was more, also by the way, I thought they hated inclusive.
Well, you can't be inclusive.
And diversity.
No, no, no, that's bad.
We can't make a special space for
them.
It's all bad.
How does that goal of what Robin Vosha said get achieved by cutting?
Why not finance certain things and say, all right, we're going to give you $250 million for the UW system.
But in that money, there must be an allocation for a freedom of thought think tank or whatever.
You put something in that actually achieves the goal you're trying to say.
When you make the claim of conservative students aren't comfortable there and
We it's too much political correct as well then and cutting money is not gonna help that.
No, of course, it's
gonna make those people by the way Hate you more.
Well
This is my personal opinion.
I believe the Republican goal is to kill higher education Absolutely, they want to kill they want to kill higher education.
They want to kill public education There is nothing worse than having to deal with people who can think critically.
That's bad.
Yeah
then they can argue with you.
We don't want that.
They only want, they only want certain and it's funny.
They don't even, they don't even care about like working class conservative kids who want to go to college.
They want their buddies and their buddy's kids to go to college.
They want like those, those halls are reserved for a certain individual.
They're not going to be standing on an assembly line, screwing in.
Screws to phones we're gonna make here.
Oh, yes American iPods.
Just wait.
We're gonna
be right
five thousand dollars for those Yeah, this this The more I listen to Robin boss talk whether it's an interviews in the paper whether it's On upfront which he goes on a lot does he's able to speak with such fluidity but
rarely does anything of value come out of his face.
It's always just a barrage of talking points that appeals to a certain swath of individuals, and there's never anything to back it up.
Cutting 87 minutes, just say it out loud.
We don't like UW system.
We don't like what they're doing.
We don't like higher education.
We don't
like higher education, and we think it's a waste.
Just be honest, but don't make it like, conservative kids don't have a place to go to.
Go to Bob Jones University.
Why do we need to hand out blankies for these kids?
Again, I'm not sure what it would take to make them feel more comfy.
on campus, more welcome on campus.
Scott Walker's kids, maybe they could be consultants on this.
Maybe every night we'll get, we'll get a space inside one of the dorms or the like union halls or something like that.
And we'll just turn the lights low.
Everyone gets a blankie.
Everyone gets like, you know, just a juice box.
And then we play someone, someone recites a Ronald Reagan speech, but even a softer quieter ASMR Ronald Reagan.
Oh, it's, it's morning in a minute.
And then they feel good about themselves, Jane.
Is that too much to ask?
I feel like,
Yeah.
They can throw a million dollars at that.
Absolutely.
Get a Ronald Reagan impersonator.
Senator Kelder Roy is a Democrat from Madison says with a four billion dollar surplus, yes, we are still sitting on four billion dollars.
With a four billion dollar surplus as Senator Roy's, there is no excuse for making cuts to the university.
No.
We used to have, our university system was the envy of the country.
Yes,
Wisconsin educational system was we were we were the the model
Wisconsin used to be the one of the envies of the country as far as our unions our education Apprenticeship started here.
We got that thing kicked off.
I believe kindergarten started in Wisconsin like there's so much that happened in Wisconsin educationally Gay rights queer communities flourished here because of the protections that the government passed to make sure they were welcome and taken care of and treated
Equally this state over the past.
I don't know.
Let's see.
When did Scott Walker?
It just seems like it happened when Scott Walker just it's coincidence, right?
It just has fallen apart but with great design This is not a this is not a oh, we've let it go.
This is a measured attempt to destroy everything that's been built in this in this state It's an intentional dismantling.
Yes.
It is.
Yes
If this budget cut happens, this $87 million, they want to cut from the UW system.
Uh, UW system saw cuts in the hundreds of millions of dollars in the first Scott Walker administration.
Yeah.
So this, you're right.
This, this began when Walker got into office.
Yes.
Intention.
And with, with, honestly, if you think about Scott Walker got into office in 2010, 15 years, the amount of damage they've done to this state, it's,
kind of amazing to watch.
I also find it amazing that considering how evil our UW system is, that any Republicans would send their children to these universities.
How did they have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to all the indoctrination that they were subjected to?
Yeah, it's my goodness.
it's a game they've been playing for the longest, for your education, unless you're, you know what?
You want your kid to go to like, you know, be going to big, but I don't know that notion.
I just keep on going back to the, the idea of they hate school so much.
So they want to make it unaffordable for the regular folk, but, but their kids, but their kids and their friends, kids will go there because that's good.
Cause at the end of the day, it's a good school and provides opportunity and fraternity and, uh, you know,
People see a UW Madison diploma on your resume.
They're like, oh, I went there.
Hey, we'll give you a shot.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
It's just.
Yeah.
Things still going well in Madison.
Friction between Democrats and Republicans on display yesterday.
The Senate passed several bills along party lines that create programs and grants with no state funding attached.
So they passed, yep, we like this program and we're gonna do funding for this program.
We just aren't gonna say how we're gonna pay for it.
What?
Republicans argue the bills need to be signed before funding is included in the budget to assure them that Governor Evers won't make any changes using his partial veto.
They're still really stung by that.
The the changes that he made with the education and the 400 year educate.
Yeah, they're still really they're really upset.
I have a
feeling Jane and I am I'm not a fortune teller.
I can't say what would happen in an alternate dimension.
I have a feeling that even had he not done that they'd still just be sore and sore losers and I mean honestly this is their their their MO is just to punish us.
They just want to punish us, the regular folks, working class, blue collar.
Well, we
don't need enough money to really be important.
Man, I would love to do it.
I don't have enough money to be like, hey, can you guys just like us for 20 minutes?
Can you do something that helps us?
The regular folks?
Yeah, help.
I mean, help your friends.
Fine.
We know you're going to do that.
I know the Democrats are going to do that.
They love helping their rich friends.
They have to help their rich friends.
But also, every once in a while, give us something too.
But that's
what, I mean, that's where the Trump budget is.
Yeah, exactly.
It's throwing crumbs, although in this case with the budget bill in Washington, that will very negatively impact on the lower end of the economic spectrum.
Oh my
gosh.
Massively.
Poor and working poor are going to see their taxes increase
a lot.
Yeah, almost
$2,000
I've seen.
Irresponsible and disgusting.
Speaking of...
You're responsible and disgusting.
The 988 hotline is going away.
We're going to talk about that on the other side.
Stay with us.
You are listening to Matt Nair on Air.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
You're listening to Civic Media.
Stay up to date on the latest news and information for your local community and Wisconsin by signing up for our free email newsletter.
Visit civicmedia.us slash email to get started.
Good morning and welcome.
Welcome to Matt Nair on Air.
Jane Matt Nair.
Fuck.
Kevin Butenoff coming to you live from our studio at Radio Park in Racine.
Join us, call her text at 855-752-4842.
That's 855-75 Civic.
You can also leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter.
We got baseball action coming up a little bit later on.
Our broadcast starts at 12.45.
The crew at the Cubs, they got rained out yesterday.
Boom!
You can catch the game on Terrestrial Radio on WRCEN Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh, WRJN here in Racine and Kenosha, WCQM in Park Falls, and WBZH, they have lumberjacks next month.
In a
hayward, the crew at the Cubs today, our broadcast starts at 12.45.
Coming up in a little bit after the 9.30 news, our friend and colleague and host of Amicus Law Review, Jim Santel, will be
joining us.
So stay tuned for that.
Right now, though, this was announced yesterday.
The Trump administration is going to defund the program within the 988 suicide hotline aimed at LGBTQ kids.
So if you called 988, that number will remain available.
But LGBTQ callers were able to request that they talk to someone specifically trained in this area.
with shared experiences that they're going to axe.
Someone please tell me how this isn't policy that's just aimed at pure cruelty.
U.S.
Senator Tammy Baldwin says she will fight tooth and nail to protect LGBTQ kids after the administration proposed Wednesday the national suicide and crisis lifeline will no longer support programs aimed
at LGBTQ youth.
A survey done by the Trevor Project last year found that 40% of LGBTQ young people considered suicide in the previous year, 12% of LGBTQ young people attempted suicide, both are higher than those among non-LGBTQ youth.
It's because of a lack of support.
Yeah.
These kids are, these kids are, if they're not just kicked out of their houses, their, their family, their community, the church, they're put into terrible positions of pressure and mental instability that not mental stability, just just mental strife that makes them think that they're not good enough and kids without help can spiral out.
Adults can as well, but kids need a place to go.
And this is just a simple program aimed at,
helping people.
This was instituted, I believe in 2022.
It hasn't been around for that long.
No,
it hasn't.
Um, no, I'm sorry.
It was 2023.
And according to the article that we're getting out of the Wisconsin examiner written by Henry Redmond, uh, 1.3 million contacts have come from LGBTQ people to the hotline.
That's trying to help a lot of people.
And when we're talking about kids and when we talk about.
how much we love kids and want to protect kids and support kids and only certain kinds of kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe they'll put in a hotline in there and 98 double, you know, conversion therapy line.
I don't know.
But this is just, this is, I can't, I can't, I can't even find a word.
Like cruel isn't even, it's, that's nice.
This is, this is monstrous and
unnecessary.
Yeah.
This doesn't, I just think it's unnecessary.
You cannot tell me that.
This one addition to this hotline costs so much money that that's why our government is having money problems.
You got to be kidding me.
No, well, I'm sure someone will say it, but then, but then over time we'll hear the truth, which is we really shouldn't be encouraging these kids to live
the life.
And that's what it is.
And that's
what
it is.
We
need to protect them.
We need to get there.
There are, there are other, they can call their church.
No, they can't.
No,
they can't.
They cannot call their church.
Not some of them.
Sorry, I'm getting, I get,
Queer kids are important to me.
Trans queer kids are very, very important to me.
And this is just, this is just mean.
This is awful.
This is anti-American, disgusting.
And we are reaching, we're going to be reaching out to both Senator Tammy Baldwin to talk about this.
And I would like to talk to Abigail sweats from Fair Wisconsin as well.
Because this has repercussions.
This will hurt
children.
Tammy Baldwin quotes, I worked hard to stand up to stand up a special line for LGBTQ plus youth because we're losing too many of our kids to suicide.
It's well past time.
We did something about it.
Children facing dark times and contemplating taking their life often have nowhere else to turn.
Besides this nine eight eight lifeline and the Trump administration is cruelly and needlessly
taking that away.
And I would think that we can all agree that if we reach for help, it's always better if the person on the other end of the line has experienced the same thing, right?
I'm not saying that other people on this helpline can't be helpful, but I think
Talking to someone being counseled by someone who lives in the same lane makes a difference.
It makes
a difference.
It's important.
I think it's necessary.
And I think that, Jane, we can't all agree, apparently, because they're cutting this.
So there's a great group of people out there.
When I say great, I mean of amount, not of personal, of good people who think that these kids do not.
They're not worth their problems are not worth the time or the money which once again It's it's like when we it's like when we get into an argument about funding NPR it is point zero I want to know
I
want to know how much this portion of 98 it is and I want to know all the zeros that are involved as far as point zero zero zero zero percent of the budget is steamy I This is so Enduring pride month, too, and they did it they did it intentionally absolutely.
They always
do this.
We have news coming up next when we return.
Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review Saturdays across the network from 9 to 11 will be here.
Stay close.
You are listening to Matt Nair on air.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Good morning and welcome.
Welcome to Matt Nair on air.
Jane Matt Nair, Greg Bach and Sweet Calbee on the board committee from our studio at Radio Park in Racine.
Join us.
Call her text at 855.
752-4842.
You can also leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter.
He joins us every Thursday at this time.
He is our friend and colleague and host of Amicus, a law review across the network Saturdays from nine to 11.
Jim Santel is here, a working attorney, a former U.S.
attorney.
This is why we get to be lawyer adjacent because we have Jim Santel here.
Jim, before we...
good adjacency,
We are always grateful for your insight and your perspective and your experience.
And before we went to the news at the bottom of the hour, Jim, we were talking about
decision by the Trump administration to stop funding the LGBTQ plus portion of the 988 suicide hotline.
And if you didn't have a chance to listen to Maggie Dawn show yesterday, I highly encourage you to go back.
She did talk about this for quite a bit.
She also spoke with Abigail Swatts from from Fair Wisconsin.
So you can always find
archives of our shows, all of our shows at civicmedia.us and then just click on shows and go down to the show that you want.
But I highly encourage you to listen to Maggie's show from yesterday.
But what a disappointment, Jim, and it's dangerous.
A profound disappointment, not only as a public policy matter and the shutdown of this important access that has been there again for not a great deal of time, not enough time.
Just a couple years.
Exactly.
But we again, it's implicit in your comments, Greg's comments as well.
We know from the records in all of these kinds of outreach, the hotline access, but they also save lives and they may not solve problems in the moment of the conversations, but they stop people from doing things that they might otherwise be inclined to do and give them a bridge to give them a sense of forward movement in their lives.
And so
This is catastrophic, not only again in terms of what we should be doing as a community, but for people who would otherwise get access again.
As you said, the line is still there, but that importance of having that connection of human beings who've gone through the same thing cannot be overstated.
As I was listening to your compelling and hair in the back of my neck rising.
conversation about this, Maggie's yesterday as well, reminded of what Sonia Sotomayor wrote and released just the same day, actually, yesterday or so, finding again, opposing the position of the Supreme Court that, in fact, Tennessee and other states can stop health care being provided to youth underage minor transgender populations.
There's a portion of the opinion.
There are actually many of them that I commend to your listeners.
But Sonia Sotomayor takes the opportunity to talk about the impact of this upon particular individuals.
I won't read all of it.
It's on page six and seven and eight of her opinion.
But she talks about how this ban applies, no matter what the minors' parents and doctors think, with no regard to the severity of the minors' health conditions or the extent to which the treatment is medically necessary, talks in particular about, obviously, people identifying the
Pleading's Ryan Rowe, named by name.
He's 16 LW, the initials, John Doe, people who are affected dramatically by the support and the lack of support.
You're talking about treatments for trans youth.
Right.
She's talking about their life experiences.
And again, the connections, I could not avoid the connections between
Her accounts of individual people, they're real.
This is not just a decision by some bureaucrats in Washington DC and by the president to stop this.
These are live human beings and it underscores the notion that again, all of this affects people.
She talks beyond that toward the end of her opinion about the fact that transgender people have long been subject to discrimination in healthcare, employment, housing.
rampant harassment and physical violence, paragraphs and paragraphs accounting, all of that.
If you need any additional support, and your listeners probably do not, but any affirmation of the horror of this decision to rescind the hotline access through two transgender counselors
Take a look at Sonya Sotomayor wrote and released just yesterday.
To America, it is compelling.
Well, and again, I can only imagine that the amount of money spent on this is miniscule.
Yes.
talking about the vast majority of government spending, this is a blip, right?
It's practically insignificant, the amount of money that we're talking about.
And so, as you and Greg had just said in the previous segment,
You go back, as Sonia said to Maior and the other dissenters yesterday and say, what are we doing here?
What is the reason for doing this?
And again, as both of you have indicated, words fail.
Words like cruelty and intentional attacks candidly upon people, because we don't like who they are.
We don't like what they represent, whatever the perverse mindset is.
That's what animates this.
It's not about economics.
It's not about operational capacity.
None of those things.
It's simply because we're going after those people, demonizing people without any basis whatsoever.
That's not what America is all about.
It's we the people, right?
That's the Constitution.
And it's everyone, citizens, residents alike, youth alike.
It is adults.
It is everyone.
of all immutable characteristics and how dare they do these kinds of things that send us back not just 200 years, but three and 400 years in time.
So I did some looking really quick because I wanted to find out and there's no specific number for the exact thing for the for the LGBTQ line just for that.
So basically they spend about $33 million overall in programs, mainly focusing on this line for LGBTQ youth.
This is in the 2020 budget.
The 2020 budget was $7.71 trillion.
Total.
For the budget.
For the budget.
Of that, $33 million was given to this program.
And if they want to post it as, well, that's money we can save.
That is like, if I'm doing math correctly, it's .000000.
four, six percent of the budget.
It's minuscule.
It's
nothing.
This
is cruelty.
This is gross.
Well, yeah, and it's not about saving money.
It's not about it is about trying to disappear segments of our population.
We've seen that to what the White House has done with some of the White House websites and just disappearing people from the code talkers from World War Two and other people of color and women who have had accomplishments.
All that stuff's gone.
All that stuff
removing names identities great histories about bravery in our military about people who've done extraordinary things and They happen also to be members of the LGBT community and we cannot have that apparently in this administration That sends the wrong message
It does not send the wrong message.
It sends the message of inclusiveness and that everyone is participating, should be able to participate in the American experience.
And they have, to our benefit, to our benefit.
That's the horror.
The other thing I do not understand all of the people who scream about parents' rights.
Parents' rights, parents' rights, parents decide what their children are taught.
Parents decide what their children eat.
Parents decide
Except in this instance, we are taking the control of the medical treatment that parents decide that their children need.
We are taking that right away from them and giving it to who, the courts?
That basically says that if you've got a state legislature, and oh, by the way,
by my count, there were somewhere between 20 and 30 states, about half of them in the union, that have passed pieces of legislation that in some way restrict healthcare, provided by doctors, provided by healthcare workers, to transgender youth as they're going through this very sensitive process, about half of our states.
And by what they did yesterday, the Supreme Court says, that's okay, you can strip that away, you can prohibit it.
not just make it difficult to access, but you can prohibit it as a legislative matter.
So if I'm in Tennessee and I am a parent, I'm a family member, I am a transgender youth, no access.
If I get it somehow, I'm in the gauging of violation of the law.
And the Supreme Court yesterday said that half the states of the union, that's okay.
The other concern, of course, that some of the dissenters identified as do many people in the wake of yesterday's decision.
What else does this bring forward?
That is, if there are other states that are teetering on whether or not you can do this, they may go down that road.
And beyond that, Jane, as your comments just indicated.
We are once again highlighting and demonizing a group of people.
It's those transgender people, right?
And we know as well that we've got, as we just mentioned already, the Supreme Court has said that Donald Trump can go ahead and get rid of them from our military.
No proof whatsoever that there is any impact, just the opposite
of a
Yes, indeed.
We've got the war on sports and the war on bathrooms still.
come up on a regular basis all of this kind of thing is just a part of a larger plan to look at people and say we don't like you and you and other people should not like you either and now and now we're permitting legislatures to embrace that notion and make it the law what is next and that's the concern right now in the 24 hours after the announcement of this decision what is coming up next what is the other
branch of this that goes forward.
Um, what, what are you going to do next?
John Roberts and five other members of Supreme court.
If you're just joining us, uh, we have sitting, we were having a discussion with James Santel, who is the host of amicus, a larvae, which is available and on the air every Saturday from nine to 11, also available on civic media.us slash shows for past listening experiences.
Um, I think the next step is Jim and I want to make something really clear.
Um,
transgender individuals, people who identify as transgender and this is 13 and older is 0.6% of the population.
It's this tiny, tiny, tiny portion
of the population,
tiny.
And I think that, I think that, um, you go after them and once that is done and done and the next thing I think is the full spectrum of the queer community.
because we see people already talking about rolling back
marriage
equality.
They, I mean, and, and it's, it's, it's chipping away little by little and, and somewhere in the 2010s in the teens, yeah, 2010s when marriage equality became a thing, people kind of put it down like, oh, we can't really go after that.
That's, that's, we got to, we got to demonize another group.
Well, they found their group and it's perfect.
Cause there are so many people who don't understand transgender people, even though they're individuals who are just living a life, but I think
Once that is taken care of in their eyes, the next is the full spectrum of those in the queer community.
And then after that, who knows, it's just anyone who doesn't look like us.
And when I say doesn't look like us, I'm talking about white and I'm talking about landowners.
I'm talking about business people.
That's what they, you have to, I mean, there's some kind of point where they're going to be white people who don't look like them as well.
They're not going to be good enough.
We say it
all the
time.
They're going to go there.
There's no reason for once the other ones are gone.
You're next.
So that's where I think it's going to go.
I think it's, it's, it's a, it's a full movement through project 2025 to Christianize this country.
And the queer population just does not fit in that group.
Even though there's a lot of wonderful devout Christians who are queer, gay, lesbian, all the Muslims, the Jewish, it's not good enough, Jane.
Good enough, Jim.
They got to go.
And we're going to then reverse again, recent history.
We forget that we do not forget that Obergefell Windsor.
Those are recent decisions by Supreme Court and also Bostock.
This other case written by Gorsuch saying, yes, you're right.
You can be protected under Title 7 and employment settings.
All of that again now on the plate for a review and examination.
We're going to continue our conversation with Jim Santel on the other side.
Stay with us.
You're listening to Matinair on Air.
This is the Civic Media Radio Network.
Don't go away.
You're listening to Civic Media.
Find the latest news, information, and archives of all your favorite shows on the Civic Media website, civicmedia.us.
Good morning and welcome back to Matinair on Air.
Jane Matinair, Greg Bach, Calbee on the board, coming to you from our studio at Radio Park in Racine.
Join us, call or text at 855-752.
4842.
You can leave a comment if you're watching on the live stream on Facebook, YouTube, and what used to be Twitter.
Coming up later on today on The Todd Alba Show from 240, from two to four across the network at 235.
They will talk about all the political news around Wisconsin with Dan Shaffer from the Recon Population Area.
In the second hour, what's worse, Garden Pest Edition.
I think
they're all the
worst.
They'll kick that around.
Join Todd.
It's a great segment.
The whole show is wonderful.
Todd, all but two to 4 p.m.
Across the Civic Media Radio Network.
We are joined right now by another colleague, Jim Santel, who hosts Amicus, a law review Saturdays 9 to 11 across the network.
One thing I wanted to talk about briefly, Jim, because we did talk about this yesterday and Greg found this article now in California.
Two California lawmakers are proposing a new state law that would ban members of law enforcement from concealing their faces.
I don't understand if are we teaching our kids now that if a white van pulls up and five guys jump out
Wearing jeans a t-shirt and a flannel shirt with masks on and they say I'm with ice come with me We're telling our nine-year-olds to jump in the van is
And
For youth, certainly for adults who were called a tough student who was basically approached by those fellows and they look like ninja warriors coming upon her and arrested her.
And that's the issue.
Absolutely.
And so it's unfortunate that we have to have legislation because what has been the practice in the federal system, that's what I can speak to, the tradition, the assumption has been that when you are executing a warrant, even executing a search warrant, which can also be rife with danger for all kinds of people, law enforcement, but also the people on the other side of the door, what you want to do is you want to be as transparent as possible.
I am with.
the Sheriff's Department.
I am with the Milwaukee County, this law enforcement entity, that law enforcement entity, so that everybody knows and what's the reason for doing this?
It's to ensure that nobody does anything stupid and irresponsible, right?
If you know, if I know with clarity that that person coming through the door is indeed law enforcement and not someone who is there to do a home invasion, my response will be very different and I've
de-escalated the possibility of some danger.
Federal system, again, there's an assumption that you will not be masked.
There are certain circumstances, yes, for undercover operations, sometimes for SWAT things, sometimes for the safety of the operation generally.
Those are for the most part the exception and not the rule.
And the concept once again, as we've talked even about recent arrests, you want to do this in a way
that again accomplishes the result without anybody getting hurt with clarity and what the legislators are doing are saying when people show up and even if they are legitimate federal law enforcement
How do we know that?
You've got a right to ask.
Do you have a warrant?
What is the basis for your arrest?
It may be probably caused in the moment.
When you are pulled over for speeding, what is the first thing that happens?
The officer comes forward and says, I am Officer Santel.
I work for this entity.
I've seen you've been exiting the speed limit.
We tell people a part of our due process, and it is unfortunate, once again, that we need to articulate that need.
Again, under some circumstances there, but in
In most instances, it's just another example of good due process in America.
That's who we are.
We do not have squads of law enforcement going out, and well, we do now.
Now we do.
Now, I am seeing Republican lawmakers come out and say, Marsha Blackburn from Tennessee recently just came out and said, there has been a 413% increase in the number of assaults against ICE agents.
Of course, like with so many things with this administration, no one has come forward with proof.
No one has come forward with the number of cases where this has happened.
I don't think they should be assaulted.
I don't think any law enforcement should be assaulted, but apparently they're okay with it only on January 6th.
Those assaults were fine.
Those people were patriots.
But in all other cases, that doesn't apply.
And you're absolutely right.
We don't want anybody in any of these high, intense situations to be threatened, to be compromised in their physical security and safety.
When these things do go badly, again, the botched search warrants, the kinds of things we've seen, what happens?
People die, right?
We've seen that in our recent history as well.
You want to minimize that.
The reality is, and I realize it's not true of everyone in America, when someone comes forward and says, I am here to execute a search one.
I'm here to arrest you.
Here is who I am.
Here's my badge.
This is the authority that I have.
Most people recognize that by, I'm only going to make things worse, Marsha Blackburn, by attacking that person and kicking and screaming or doing something worse.
Most people recognize, I mean, I'm not gonna be happy about it.
I'm going to contest all this, but I'm not going to, in this moment, do something that's going to make my situation even worse and the entire situation even more compromised.
It will be interesting to see what happens with this measure right now.
It's only in California.
But I do think that this is a larger discussion that we need to be having as a country and whether we're good with this.
And we should not be, again, with some limited exceptions.
It's called transparency in government, including law enforcement.
It's what I spent 30 years doing.
You do it in a way that's fair and decent and ensures that the aspirations of our Constitution are met in the practical illustrations of it every single day.
Join Jim Santel, Saturdays 9 to 11 across the network for Amicus, a law review.
Jim Santel, thank you so very much.
Really appreciate it.
week.
We have news coming up next.
Stay with us.
You are listening to Matt and Air on Air on the vest, statewide, countrywide.
You can pick us up globally on the app, baby.
Civic Media Radio Network.
The national news cycle never stops, but it can be hard to find news about your local community.
Civic Media is dedicated to providing quality local and state news coverage across Wisconsin.
With the Civic Media app, you can get notifications about local stories that matter to you and your community.
Find the free Civic Media app in your phone's app store and choose notifications from the menu to tell us what kind of news you want to hear about.