How Does This Fix Anything?! (Hour 1)

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Oh, we're today.

We're going to talk about what was your story?

We got off and before we were as we were setting up the show before we got in the year this morning, we just I don't know how we landed on this, but we started talking about soap operas.

Yeah, they're still there.

They're still there.

There's I mean the decades, decades, decades.

Yep.

So what was your story and you shared a story with me that you'll tell later on?

I will because I think it's important.

It's not just women who have their stories.

It's not old.

It's not young.

It's all swaths

of individuals.

Across all demographics.

What was your story?

We'll take that after 1030 and then we'll wrap it up as we always do with this.

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Stay tuned for that.

That's coming up again at the very end of the show around 1051.

Want to start off with this though?

I'm just heartbroken for this woman.

Sophie Carson with the byline in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and the headline after a long fight, MPS teachers aid self-deports to El Salvador with her US citizen daughters.

After months of fighting her deportation, Yacina Rarano

and her 10-year-old twin daughters have left Milwaukee for El Salvador.

She's been on Milwaukee Public School Teachers Aid.

She's been here for 14 years.

She did enter illegally.

She came in without authorization.

She came in without authorization in 2011.

She has been living with an order for deportation until now.

There haven't been a lot of efforts to remove people like her or others like her.

She's also kept regular appointments with the U.S.

immigration.

She is

when we full disclosure, when we were kicking around this story, one of the things that stuck out at least for me was the fact that this was a person who entered in unlawfully.

And one of the things that the administration said was going to get rid of the quote criminals.

And there is a claim, a case to be made that because she entered in unauthorized, that qualifies her as a criminal.

So I thought to myself, well,

That she is unfortunately part of the group that she's not she doesn't seem like a drug dealer or a gang member But when you read into the story further as you just said Jane she entered in with other without authorization, but she still Went to her meetings still kept her appointments with immigration.

Yes, and was working to get a visa to stay here that just was going nowhere so

Finally, and by the way, it was a trafficker, trafficking victims visa, because that's what she claimed was.

She was a victim of sex trafficking.

So, two things can exist at the same time, if you will.

Yes, we need to, we need to deport those who are here illegally, especially if they are violent criminals, but someone like Yesenia,

She was doing everything that you're supposed to do.

She came yes and and if you watch the you watch the press conference with her She's so she's so measured.

She's so just very in the moment.

She's not she's not really crying.

She's not begging for help She's not saying this is unfair.

She's saying I'm going to deport myself.

I'm gonna go back to El Salvador I'm taking my daughters.

I don't know what they're going to do.

They've never been there.

They've never been there They were born here.

Yeah, they are US citizens.

Yes,

because you know the Constitution

But I think this is one of those interesting stories beyond interesting, important stories because it lends to the nuance of this conversation because we want to paint these individuals as, you know, criminals get out black and white.

That's it,

but it's not.

No, it's not.

There's all kinds of gray.

There's all kinds of gray.

And again,

As you mentioned, she had been keeping her immigration appointments, trying to go through the process correctly as so many others have.

And now we're seeing people are going to court to show up for their appearances.

The judges are canceling it.

They walk outside and they get arrested and deported.

And

something that, you know, we're going to try to get Christine Newman Ortiz from Vosas de la Frontera here to talk about it.

And she and, and Yusenia, remind me her last name, please.

Again.

Sorry.

You have to find it.

Yusenia, Roana, Roana, Roana.

They, you know, she was trying to get the visa passed through and it was just years and years of not happening, still going to the meetings.

That's not her fault.

That's the problem of the immigration system in this country which and not being fully and not being funded not being funded not being really cared about and really being a Small businesses farmers immigrants something politicians love to talk about but do nothing about and this is something you can lay on the doorstep of both parties absolutely republicans want this this immediate almost violent dystopian type removal of them where

we will talk about it in a little bit about men with masks on, just whisking people away in the night, regardless of status too, in some situations, versus the Democrats who are so afraid of their own shadow when it comes to immigration, because they're afraid they're going to get, because none of them have the guts to say, yeah, we need to get rid of some of these individuals.

They're not here legally.

They need to do it.

You need to have the big conversation.

They're afraid to do it.

Republicans want to overcorrect.

And so now,

We have this young woman who just, she's a teacher's aide.

A teacher's aide.

She's helping.

And paying taxes.

And paying taxes.

She's doing it the right way, the way you want her to do it.

So this is a perfect example of this issue not being so just, you know, black and white.

Exactly.

It's a

nuanced, deeply, deeply

contextual situation.

You've seen us that she would not disobey orders from ICE to leave.

Officer said she had to buy a plane ticket to El Salvador in order to self-deport.

They would not wait for her trafficking victims visa to be processed.

So now she and her 10 year old daughters who are US citizens and have never been there, they will be staying in the Salvadoran countryside for now.

She said she's gonna have to find a school for the girls and a job for herself.

As you mentioned, Christine Newman Ortiz

Executive Director of Vosestela Frontera called Yassina Ruano resilient and courageous and said her story symbolizes the failure of our Congress by both parties.

Yep.

Yes.

Prioritize humane immigration reform.

And this is something again that has been kicked down the road for decades by both sides.

Yeah.

We need more people.

We need more judges.

Yeah.

We need more immigration judges to hear these cases.

It shouldn't take 10 to 15 years to go through this process.

Meanwhile, these individuals are living lives, but always living their lives with looking over their shoulders.

In

fear.

I mean, Kilmara Brega Garcia, a perfect example, a gentleman who had a no deportation order by the courts, because no judge found him guilty of being a gang member, by the way, no matter what they say.

but yet whisked away always having to always have to look over your shoulder doing it the quote unquote right way and yeah they need to fund this the immigration courts the lawyers the process they need to rework the process it shouldn't be easy to become a citizen but it shouldn't be it shouldn't

be this hard to not get deported no it it's it's just it's broken

Absolutely.

Our immigration system is and has been broken.

Sarah Weintraub is a special ed teacher at Milwaukee Public School.

And she said that, quote, to anybody who thinks that this looks like a choice, or if they want to say, why didn't they follow the path or get in line?

I invite you to sit down with one of us.

There are no pathways.

This is the result of a very broken, very painful immigration system.

She said, Yassina Rowano is brave to speak up.

And she has set an example for the many who have been following her story.

Yeah.

It's, it really is heartbreaking.

And what, what really just is for me the, is watching that press conference with her talking about just, this is what I'm going to do.

This is what I have to do.

I have no choice.

And she even said at a certain point, she was, she's going to be a bit of relief now because she's not going to have to worry about looking over her shoulder,

looking over her

shoulder or whether or not the visa is going to go through.

And that's, that's horrendous.

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Good morning, Ron.

Thanks for joining us.

Yeah.

Good morning.

Everything you said, but I'd like to add a little context.

If memory serves.

The last attempt to reform our broken immigration system, badly broken immigration system, involved a bipartisan group of senators and House representatives who spent like 18 months working on a really good reform plan that took care of a lot or all of these problems.

And all the way along, they were getting nodding yeses from Congress as a whole and the president.

And then they got their work done, submitted it.

And then as it was ready to come to a vote, the president, I believe the president's name was Trump, said, no, not going to do that.

So yes, both parties are guilty to some extent.

They have responsibility, let's put it that way.

But one party has most of the responsibility, and that's the Republicans.

And the Congress, they acted like, well, that's that then.

They didn't even try to pass and get him to veto it.

Well, no, they got their marching orders from dear leader and he wants it killed.

And so we're going to kill it.

Thank you, Ron.

I appreciate you calling in and pointing that out because you're right.

We had a deal.

We had a bipartisan deal that was going to happen.

And of course, Trump came out and said, yeah, I don't I don't like it.

Don't vote for it.

So they didn't.

Well, and,

you know, and and it.

It had measures to strengthen the border.

It had measures to fund different operations within the immigration industry here in America.

But the main reason, and if you're asking yourself, well, why did he do that?

Because he wanted a campaign on it.

If it was fixed, he couldn't fear monger.

He couldn't get in front of crowds and spew megatons of lies about individuals and government officials and elected officials.

He wanted to spew hatred about it, but he couldn't do that if, one, there was a solution and, two, it was bipartisan.

So, yeah, that's not Trump's game.

He likes his sweet spot.

And that's what it is.

Well, it's not about fixing the issue.

It's about using the issue.

Correct.

Using the issue to get reelected.

And he did.

That was the hallmark of his whole second campaign.

Mass deportations now without looking...

At the ramifications further down the road, these people don't game out anything to the end.

It blows my

mind.

This young woman, self-deporting herself, does nothing to help this situation.

Nothing to fix the problem, the bigger problem.

And now we need another teacher's

aid.

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Before we went to the break, we were talking about the case of the Milwaukee Public School teacher, Aide Yacina Roana, who has chosen to self-deport along with her two

Daughters, 10 years old, who are US citizens, they were born here.

They've never been to El Salvador.

That's what we were talking about before we went to the break.

Jean from Moclairs on the line.

Good morning, Jean.

Thanks for joining us.

What did you want to add to this?

Well, I'll take great job guys reporting on this.

I mean, you know, just watching these people, they're so vile and inhumane treatment.

I mean, I really wonder what other people are thinking.

I mean, I get sick to my stomach when I watch those.

you know what doing this to human beings and in our fellow americans and our visitors or people waiting to be part of united states of america i i'm ashamed of the way that they're acting i think you know i hope people watch how they talk and watch the president live and i think you would get a rude awakening and then

Oh, they're going to not go after the farmers.

Now they're going to go after the farmers.

He doesn't know what the devil he's doing.

He's in charge of the country.

And these poor lady and her daughters, if they were trafficked, that's nuts that they have to go back to.

That's so cruel.

Well, anyway, we know how they treat women in that...

group of people.

They don't even care about women, but it's it's sick guys.

I just had a conch in my two cents worth.

Thanks a lot for reporting on this.

We need to be aware and we need to speak out.

Thank you.

Have a good day.

Thanks a lot,

Jean.

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I think Jean would be very dismayed because it depends upon what social media you look at.

There are people who are celebrating.

cases like this.

Just in the level of enjoyment and cruelty is pretty astonishing.

For a lot of people who ostensibly claim to be Christians.

I believe that, you know, this might, no, I'm gonna say it.

I believe part of the membership of this club, this MAGA club, is that you have to enjoy cruelty.

You have to enjoy the suffering of others.

It brings you more joy.

to see others suffer than it does to help them and you feel better about yourself somehow

or there's some reason

America's winning or whatever you want to say but it's just despicable because she is doing again everything that's been asked of her to to stay in this country legally she kept her appointments

she kept her

appointments she paid taxes she got a job helping kids as a teacher that like

What more do you want and I know it's what what will be screamed at the radio right now by those who disagree?

Well, she came here illegally You're right.

She did she did and she has admitted that she has admitted that and she has been here for 14 years So never committed a crime shot while she was here and why did she not just get thrown out within a year or two of being here in the first place?

Because she kept her appointments because she was meeting with people in immigration She was doing the thing you're supposed to do and yeah, exactly.

It's just

That's why it's so hard to have this conversation, because it's nuanced.

It's got layers, but yet to the individuals who are on social media that you refer to, there is, there, no, there's,

there's no gray.

It is black and white.

There's never any gray.

And that applies to people who are thrown out, who are here legally.

They must have done something.

They wouldn't just, they wouldn't just take them.

And they have been.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They have been.

Yeah.

And we're seeing more documents come out now from some of the people who they have sent to prisons in other countries that only a third of the people that we have deported actually have criminal records.

Yeah.

I

mean, oops.

Kilmar, Obrigo Garcia is another, we just talked about before, but another example of this botched plan is the fact that

It was a clerical error that got him deported

and the administration admitted that

admitted it and within a week The press secretary was saying he'll never come back again.

He'll never be back.

He's down there.

We and the

president we can

do president.

I say it's nothing I

do

president of El Salvador.

Nothing I can do and where is he now?

back.

And he's now fighting federal charges.

Interesting how that works.

Wow.

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What's coming up this weekend?

This weekend we are talking with State Representative Ryan Spouty and State Senate candidate Sean Grohrich about some of the policy that's happening in the LGBTQ community in the legislature.

Did you know that our LGBTQ plus caucus has doubled in size?

It's true.

And did you know that four out of five of our state representatives in Northeast Wisconsin just happened to be members of the community?

Wow Wow as much as they as much as some would like to disappear this segment of our population They're not going anywhere.

Oh not especially not northeast Wisconsin and the legislation that they have introduced is

Wonderful.

It is supportive.

It is stuff that you would think we wouldn't have to talk about, like protecting people legally.

Wisconsin was one of, actually, we were the first state to provide legal protections to people from the community.

Isn't that incredible?

We were so innovative back in the, I think it was the 70s, but now here we are having to pass laws just to make sure that people feel safe walking down the street.

Yeah, it's it's amazing how for decades.

We were like, yes, you are welcome.

You are safe.

You are loved.

And all of a sudden now there's like, I don't know about these people who have been living here for decades and haven't really not hurt injured our children caused crime or done anything.

Now, I think I don't trust them anymore.

Well, didn't Scott Walker get rid of the state motto forward?

Because we couldn't we couldn't look forward anymore.

Really?

Maybe I'm think I'm misremembering this.

felt

that way during the water administration.

Let's

not go forward.

Let's just, I don't know, Wisconsin, let's tread water.

Yeah.

Something

like that.

But the water has PFAS, so be careful.

Which just is worth another reminder.

There is money set aside to address the PFAS problem in Wisconsin, which the joint finance committee will not release because they want the polluters

not to have to take any responsibility for the pollution that they create, essentially.

That's why they won't pass out this money.

Yeah, it's true.

So it's been sitting there for almost three years.

It was the last budget.

It was the last budget, yeah.

And passing the bill to pass the funds, to get the funds in and out there and fixing the water, was passed bipartisan.

This was a bipartisan measure passed through the assembly and the state Senate.

And then the joint finance committee came in and said, Hey, he's not going anywhere.

They love to not do things.

They're really good at it.

Yeah.

It's just stuck in the legislature.

Like so many other things, like postpartum Medicaid extension, just stuck just sitting there while people are literally dying.

People in Pestigo are still drinking water out of bottles because they've been doing for years.

Yes, and the money is there.

Everybody agrees it needs to be fixed, but they've dug their heels in so hard.

They have totally forgotten that they represent the people who elected them.

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Our elected officials inability to talk to each other and compromise is making it really hard for you to live and it's getting harder every day.

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How about my water is poisoned and I need help.

And why aren't you

doing anything to fix this.

That's your job.

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Myvote.wi.gov, all you to do, put in your address, all the contact information is there.

We highly, highly encourage you to take advantage of that.

Dr. Kristen Lyerle is our guest.

A number of things we wanted to talk about.

This too, Dr. Lyerle has been big,

in discussion as we're talking about the budget that they're trying to ram through the Senate now and the impact on rural hospitals.

So when we talk about all these Medicaid cuts that they want to do, this is going to have a major impact, especially in rural areas.

Yeah.

In Wisconsin, we know that there are two hospitals.

So a list was produced out of the University of North Carolina, looking at the financial viability of rural hospitals all over the country.

In Wisconsin, there are two hospitals that will likely close if the big, beautiful bell passes.

And those hospitals are in Osceo and Manitowoc.

So think about a community.

Manitowoc at least has another hospital nearby.

Right.

In Osio, there's nothing around.

That hospital, if they close, and I'm talking about all services, if they close, where do those people go?

The hospital where I'm working right now in Northern Minnesota, in Hibbing, is one of two hospitals in Minnesota that would likely close if this bill passes.

And there is a lot of conversation happening in this community right now.

People who typically don't pay attention, people who rely on care because this is an aging population, people need more contact with healthcare, not

and we've really struggled to hire people here, which is why I work here.

We are struggling.

If this big, beautiful bill passes, this hospital will close.

And I mean, is hyping relatively isolated?

I'm trying to fix where it is geographically.

Like from the Twin Cities, how far away is hyping from the Twin Cities?

Three hours north.

Oh

man.

Part of the Iron Range, the next nearest hospital is 30 minutes away, but 30 minutes in Northern Minnesota in the winter is scary.

And the roads aren't great.

We already have people who travel down from international falls because there's no hospital up there that delivers babies.

They drive an hour and a half to come.

International Falls is right on the Canadian border.

They drive an hour and a half because we're the closest hospital.

We've had people deliver in their car on the way here because they couldn't make it.

It's not working.

And honestly, like you make the point of 30 minutes in winter roads in Northern Minnesota is tough.

I would just say 30 minutes on good roads is tough because depending on where you are with your situation, you could be moments away from dying.

What if

you're having a heart attack?

Yeah.

Just hang on for another 45 minutes, Bill.

You'll be fine.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And that's another problem is EMS services are almost entirely run by volunteers up here.

It's hard to get volunteers because again, we've got an aging population.

There aren't enough young people to support the people who need services.

So when I need to transfer someone to Duluth, which is an hour, a little over an hour away, it's hard for us to find an ambulance

to take that person.

Yeah, the nurses spend.

hours calling different ambulance services to try to find somebody to send them in that direction.

Our health infrastructure is already in terrible shape.

If you cut dollars from Medicaid, it's only going to get worse.

You know, we mentioned this earlier in the program and I'm going to reiterate it for this point as well and regarding the big bill for billionaires.

It's like they're not doing any sort of long-term planning or looking at the road, looking at down the road saying, what is the next move?

What's the next move after that?

And so on and so forth.

It's just cut, cut, cut to get our little bank heist.

Cause that's all this is.

This is a vault heist.

This is die hard.

This is- It's the transference of wealth.

Exactly.

It is look over here at all this stuff happening while we just absolutely got your social security net and take your money and put it in our pocket.

And those are people who are going to get health care.

The decision makers are people who will always

have health care.

They'll always be able to get the things that they need.

But in the meantime, we are struggling to get by.

I was on a call with Senator Elizabeth Warren the other day who was telling us that only one in four people understand what this big, beautiful bill is.

And I was shocked to hear that because we're talking about it all the time, but it's only one in four.

So friends, if you're listening,

talk about the implications of this bill, whether it's the gutting health care, gutting SNAP.

Maybe it's raising the deficit.

Maybe, I mean, Ron Johnson has a point there.

The deficit will increase because of these giant tax cuts that we are giving to large, huge corporations.

So we've got to have conversations about what is in this bill and how it will impact not only us personally, but our communities as a whole.

Well, you mentioned Ron Johnson and I just have to throw this in there.

Yeah.

Ronzo hold out on the budget bill until he gets something that he wants, and then he will capitulate.

I'm sorry, but that's what he did last time.

He was all against the budget bill until he got his pass-through approved for his big, big donors, because that's what he lives for, is taking care of those folks, not the rest of us so much.

But yeah, I firmly expect Rojo to completely capitulate.

once he gets something that he wants.

Because Sandra on the live stream says, 45 minutes can make the difference between permanent heart or brain damage.

This will capital WILL put additional stress on the healthcare system as well.

Oh, we know.

Outcome studies have shown us that people who live further away from hospitals have worse outcomes.

There's more death.

There's more morbidity.

People who don't die but suffer long-term permanent damage.

They have to live with that.

Then they need even more health care.

So let's just make sure people can get health care that they need, please.

Well, and we keep talking about Wisconsin is failing to attract new young families and losing population.

We are not gaining population like some of the other states.

I'm 65 years old.

When I look to where I'm gonna live, I want a hospital nearby.

I am not gonna move to somewhere, and I love Northern Wisconsin, but I'm not gonna move to somewhere in Northern Wisconsin where my only hospital is an hour and a half away.

That seems like a bad idea.

And you're going to need more appointments, too.

Don't forget that.

It's not just that one-sensital thing, but it's all the touches with the health care

system.

Yep, absolutely.

We're going to continue our conversation with Dr. Kristen Liarley.

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Right before we went to the break, Dr. Liarley, we were talking about the budget bill now getting hammered out in the Senate and what this would mean for hospitals.

especially in rural parts of the country and in rural parts of Wisconsin, and essentially more hospitals will close.

They will.

I don't know if people really realize what happens when people don't have health care.

We heard George W. Bush say during his term that everybody can have access to health care.

They just go to the emergency department, right?

He said this.

So that is true.

When you show up at the emergency department,

We are obligated to give you care.

That is the human thing to do, and it is the right thing to do.

But if you can't afford it, guess who eats that care?

The hospital eats all of those expenses.

Whether you are somebody who's been living in this country your entire life, an undocumented immigrant, somebody who is a naturalized citizen, it doesn't matter.

Nothing about that matters.

All that matters is you cost that hospital money.

you can't afford to pay for it.

So guess who pays for it?

The hospital and they write it off and it becomes all of our problems.

We end up paying for it

eventually.

So the fewer people who have insurance, which includes Medicaid, the more we actually end up paying.

on the backside.

And as it continues to draw as fewer people are insured in rural areas, there's more of an impact on those rural hospitals.

They have more expenses.

They have fewer resources.

They are more likely to close.

That's why we're seeing hospital associations now stepping up and saying, this isn't going to work for us.

We need help.

We need help.

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Cassandra from New London is on the line.

Good morning, Cassandra.

What did you want to say about this?

Good morning.

It's interesting, you guys were talking about like drawing young people in and like they were losing that population with that.

And it was funny, I had an experience.

This was a few months ago, of course, on Facebook.

There was actually somebody from the Wapaka County Republican Party that made a comment that that basically like Get out of here with your progressive views.

Take them to Madison and it's like So you're telling people who are more progressive which tends to be younger people To leave your county.

Yeah, that makes no sense Especially like Wapaka County and like the city of Wapaka

as the foundry and they're having a tough enough time getting people to work there and they're actually bringing in, I believe, a lot of their immigrant workforces, Venezuelans, which all of those visas just got canceled.

So they're losing all of those employees and then I think it's hilarious that

Mr. Tony Weed is introducing some of this legislation to help rural hospitals when he's supporting this big, beautiful bill, specifically calling out the loss of the birthing center at the

hotel.

Thank you for bringing that to our attention.

You're right, WAPACA just lost their birthing center.

So that's another strike against young people wanting to live in that community.

And then the bill that she referenced is a bill that, it's a great bill actually, that would make sure that hospitals that don't have birthing centers, more than half of all rural hospitals do not provide obstetrical care.

more than half of all rural hospitals in this country do not provide obstetrical care.

So that bill would make sure that the people who work in those hospitals have the things that they need to take care of people who just show up on their doorstep.

Because if you are in labor or if you're having a pregnancy related problem and you show up at a hospital that does not provide obstetrical care, you need somebody who can help you even though there's nobody in the hospital right now who can.

So it actually is a good bill, but it doesn't even begin to solve the problem.

And he is making the problem.

overall worse by supporting this big beautiful film

well and again I go back to this whole mantra from the right we love babies we want more babies why aren't women having more babies what's wrong with you women no that's not the problem the problem is we have no birthing centers at half of our hospitals that seems to be a problem

That's a

huge part of the problem.

There are a lot of reasons why people are choosing not to have babies and we do need more babies.

We need more younger people economically.

We've got this teetering population of people who are aging and we do not have the young people to support them.

So that is a legitimate issue.

But forcing people to have babies or coercing them or giving them $5,000 or a medal, that's not the answer.

Providing, building a society that supports families and supports women and cherishes children, that is

one piece of the puzzle.

That

might actually help.

Check out Dr. Kristen Lierly.

The Dr. Kristen Lierly shows Saturdays and Sundays across the network.

Thank you so much, my friend.

We'll have you back on real soon.

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I love hanging out with you.

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I wanted to start with something that we did talk about yesterday.

Senator Mike Lee.

of Utah.

Honorable and

nice.

Yeah.

What a fine human being.

Yeah.

After the assassination of the Minnesota lawmaker and her husband and the attempt on another Minnesota lawmaker and his wife, Republican Senator Mike Lee put up on social media.

This is what happens when Marxists don't get their way.

In another post, he linked the suspect in these killings to Minnesota Governor Tim Walls, calling it Nightmare on Walls Street.

Yeah, real funny.

Yeah, real funny.

Another Senator Tina Smith actually chased him down yesterday.

Minnesota Senator Tina Smith confronted him about this and said, you know, this is a really hateful, hurtful thing that you're doing and this is not helping the situation.

could take him down, which he has.

He has taken them down.

He has taken those comments off of social media.

Of course, social media is forever.

Yeah, you can find those tweets forever.

They're screenshotted.

They're reported upon.

They live in the annals of Mike Lee's cruel, disgusting history.

Dean Smith said this just further fuels hatred and misinformation because as we now know, the gunman in this instance is a Republican.

He certainly wasn't a registered Democrat, as everyone was trying to tell me over the weekend, screaming into my face via social media.

He wasn't even a Republican.

He was a mentally ill man.

He

has issues.

Yes,

this

is not a man who's well.

He's got issues.

But yes, Senator Mike Lee did ultimately take down the social media posts, but he has not apologized.

Because you never apologize in Trump land.

That's

the worst thing you can do.

And those social media posts would probably still exist had Senator Smith not confronted him.

It

was actually Amy Klobuchar.

Oh really?

It was Amy Klobuchar, another lawmaker from Minnesota who apparently has worked with Mike Lee on some legislation in the past and she talked to him and that's the reason he took them down.

But that just proves my point.

If he hadn't been spoken to, nothing would have happened.

And the moment someone got in his face and said, hey, what you're doing is gross and disgusting.

And

hurtful.

You know what I mean?

So it just goes to that thing of they don't think when they do these things, they know they're going to get engagement.

They know they have an audience.

They know their people out there who are like, yeah, got them, burnt, got them.

No, that's not how this work.

And Greg, how do you make this?

How do you make this relate to Wisconsin?

Cause we have our very own spure of disgusting things on social media.

Mr. Derek Van Orton, who in my opinion, Jane, if you ran a business and you hired somebody and you saw that they were tweeting as much as Derek Van Orton was during the day, would you ask the question, when do you get work done?

I might ask that question.

It is not only the fact the sheer volume with which he tweets.

Are you

talking about DVO?

DVO.

OK.

Well, Mike Lee is

also.

Mike

Lee

do.

But also just the bile that comes out of that man's head is disgusting.

And he, I mean, I'm not saying I respect it, but he doesn't take stuff down.

He's like, I said what I said, deal with it.

Because he knows he has an audience, he knows he has supporters, and he knows that he's gonna get engagement, and that is just for clout.

Well, and again, the worst thing you can do in Trump world is apologize.

Oh, that is... You never apologize, you never back down, you just double down.

That's what you do.

You never accept blame.

Ever.

It's

somebody else's fault.

It's always

somebody else's fault.

I mean, those, and that is not even a thing we're making up.

These are the tenants of the man who mentored Donald Trump, Roy Cohn.

You deflect, deflect, deflect,

never

apologize.

Blame, blame,

blame.

Never, never take responsibility.

Ever.

But again, Mike Lee has taken down those posts, neglected to apologize for that, which that would be taken it way too far.

I never expected that to happen.

Something else that happened yesterday, though, that I think is very important that we all be aware of because this keeps happening now.

New York City's comptroller, who is running to be the next mayor of New York, was handcuffed and arrested yesterday while guiding a defendant out of immigration court.

Brad Lander, New York City's comptroller, was arrested, quote, for assaulting law enforcement and impeding a federal officer, unquote.

He was later released after being held for several hours.

He said he certainly did not assault an officer.

He was standing in the hallway and he asked to see their

warrant.

This is now this is now the third instance starting here in Milwaukee

judge judge

I've watched the video I've watched the video.

She doesn't whisk him away in some in some back closet That's a secret passage that gets him.

I knew a plane and out of out of the country and then we have Senator Alex Padilla from California who went to a press conference asked a question identified himself identified himself was wearing a shirt that said Senate

and was forcibly removed, thrown to the floor, and detained.

Corey Lewandowski, you know, the raging liberal.

Okay, had to tell them, this is a senator, what are you

doing right now?

So this is the beginning, and Judge Hannah Dugan was the start of it.

These are messages.

Absolutely.

No, I don't apologize for anything.

This is the MO.

If you try to get in the cops way, if you try to get nice as way, it is always you are resisting, you are impeding, you are instructing, and that is, that's the bulging.

That's, that is what allows them to put cuffs on you regardless of whether you are doing it or not.

It's their justification.

Ice arresting, Brad Lander for asking questions.

Cause again, all he asked was to see the warrant.

is a stunning abuse of power and threat to our democracy, arresting a public official, the duly elected comptroller of New York, for asking questions, is dangerous intimidation, and shows a wanton disregard for the will of the people.

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My question for you at this time, if you have seen photos of ICE.

They have no identification on them in this instance yesterday.

They had no ID on them.

Yeah, they're wearing masks They're wearing t-shirts and flannel shirts and jeans.

Yeah, they look like regular people wearing masks.

They look like kidnappers.

Yeah So are we teaching our kids now?

Your nine-year-old daughters and sons if a van pulls up and five men jump out with masks

wearing t-shirts, jeans, and a flannel shirt with no identification.

Are we telling our kids to get in the van with them?

Is that what we're doing now?

I mean, honestly, Jane, I don't think those kids would have a choice.

You know what I mean?

That's going beyond.

But again, how is this okay?

How is it okay that these people do not have to have any identifiers on them?

I don't understand that.

I really don't.

And I don't think...

that they should be doxxed.

I don't think we should be chasing down their families if

they

work for ICE.

I think that's wrong.

But at the same time, I think allowing them to be masked with no ID is wrong.

That's really wrong.

And for someone to

resist that sort of behavior.

I'll just switch it to an adult really quick.

If you are an adult and five people in flannels, masks, no badges, no identification, nothing being told, and they just start detaining you, your first thing is to be like, who are you?

What is going on?

All you're fighting to get away.

That's just human nature.

You want to know what's going on.

You want to know why this is happening And if they're not willing to tell you what's going on that to me and and I say this with the intention I would like to ask Jim Santel this is Is this a violation of your constitutional rights?

You are not being you are being detained without the due process of Miranda You are being detained without being told what's going on you have there's no there's no knowledge of why this is happening to you and you're right.

I don't know

if a judge has to come down and say, ice agents must have at the very least a badge and identifying.

They gotta be ID.

Come on.

Yeah.

This is a

basic.

It's a basic in our mind, but constitutionally, legally, I don't know.

That's the, I mean, yeah, it's

eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

If you would like to join us, Bill from economy walk is on the line.

Good morning, Bill.

Thanks for calling in.

What do you want to say about this?

With ICE, you know, we've already had our camp state moment.

And that was this weekend when they broke into the homes and started killing people.

With ICE, I've seen it a couple of times now.

If the crowd's big enough, ICE gets out of there.

They know they can't be overwhelmed, you know, thousands of people.

They just don't have the manpower.

When that happens,

pictures are taken and we got identification.

We have to demand identification, badge numbers, and all of that, the military incarcerated.

Now, if James Santel was on the show with you today, I do believe each one of those agents could be sued in civil court.

Once those ICE agents would understand American

anybody held an American that he came illegally can come after you personally, you're in trouble.

I mean, that's what I'd like for, I'd love for Jim to clarify for us.

And that's, you know,

and that's gonna

be here tomorrow.

And that's another point too, to discuss really quick when it comes to the horrible tragedy that happened in Minnesota.

The man who perpetrated this was dressed up like a nice agent.

Yes, dressed up like an officer.

Yes.

And that's the other thing I've seen on social media.

After that happened.

with this man dressing up as law enforcement and gaining access to folks as homes.

But because of that, the instructions from Minnesota law enforcement was, if an officer shows up at your door, you call 911 to make sure that he's actually an officer.

What are we supposed to do now if someone shows up at my house with identification?

I should call 911 but if five guys in jeans and t-shirts and flannel with masks have no idea But those I should jump in the van with them.

Yeah.

Yeah, this is where we are Oh, I mean that's surprising because when when when Tony Evers tried to give advice on what to do if if I shows up The borders are

And Tom Tiffany all said you're going too far.

You're gonna get me trouble.

There's gonna be trouble because we just want to you know retain rights in this democracy 8 5

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We were talking about the arrest yesterday of the New York City cop troller who was essentially

accompanying people who were going for immigration hearings.

ICE was there.

He asked to see their warrant.

They arrested him.

He was subsequently released several hours later, so he is out of custody.

And then we were also talking about why it's okay for ICE agents to show up with no identification, no badge.

No name badge, no nothing.

They just show up in jeans, a t-shirt, a flannel shirt, a mask, and we're just supposed to assume that we're there with the government?

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel perfectly comfortable with that.

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Gene from Eau Claire has been very patient.

Good morning, Gene.

Thanks for waiting.

I apologize for calling again, but I just had a call because, you know, I watch everything live.

And I just want to report that the Senate Judiciary is on, and you can watch on FedNet, you know, on YouTube, but anyway, the Senate Judiciary is having a hearing on President Biden's fitness to serve like a cover-up.

So this is what they're spending their valuable time doing is Biden's fitness to serve.

Just so people realize what the devil's going on here.

They ain't worrying about the people.

They're worrying about themselves.

I think they should check the guy in office that's making the decisions on wars and all the immigration and stuff, what the devil this guy's doing, and maybe they need to check into that.

But I had a quick call and tell you, I couldn't believe it.

I had a quick call, yeah.

Thank you so much for your coverage.

Bye.

Thanks, Gene.

Appreciate that.

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all because the last thing they want to talk about is Trump's fitness or the

bill for billionaires or a war we're about to get into or anything else that is awful for this country.

And by the way, Gene, I'll just take your statement.

I'm going to amend it just a little bit by what they're spending their time on also.

our money on because we pay for those hearings.

We pay for those jobs.

We pay for those people to get $174,000 a year plus medical insurance for life, per diems, lovely things like that.

There's some nice trips thrown

in there.

I mean, we should have our own hearings and.

And and we should

we should

citizen hearings.

Oh my

gosh.

We just charge Ron Johnson.

I volunteer yeah We don't have a whole lot of time before we go to the bottom of the hour news.

We did want to get talk about this because again now Israel and Iran Exchanging attacks Donald Trump this morning saying we may get involved.

We may not get involved.

Hmm So there's your answer there.

Okay.

Thanks.

We'll just see how I'm feeling right and

I don't think you're far off actually.

But there was an interesting exchange between Tucker Carlson and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

When you're done listening to this folks, you're not gonna believe what you just heard and you're not gonna believe who you're an aside with.

Yeah, take a listen to this exchange between Tucker Carlson and Senator Ted Cruz on the issue of war between Iran, Israel and potentially the US.

How many people live in Iran by the way?

I don't know the population

at all.

No, I don't know the population.

You don't know the population of the country you seek to topple?

How many people live in Iran?

92 million.

Okay.

How could you not know that?

I don't sit around memorizing population tables.

Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government.

Why is it relevant, whether it's 90 million or 80 million or 100 million?

Why is that relevant?

Because if you don't know anything about the country, I didn't say I don't know anything about that.

Okay, what's the ethnic mix?

Calm down, Ted.

They are Persians and predominantly Shia.

No, it's not.

You don't know

anything about Iran.

So

OK, I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran.

You're a senator who's calling boys.

Boys, boys, boys, boys.

No, you don't know anything about the country.

You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.

No, I'm not saying that.

Who can't figure out a good idea to kill General Soleimani.

You said it was bad.

They're trying to murder Trump.

Yes, I do.

Because you're

not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation.

If you

really believe that.

We're carrying out military strikes today.

You said

Israel

was.

Right.

With our help.

I said we, Israel

is leading them, but we're supporting them.

Well this, you're breaking news here because the US government last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Pfeiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity

at all.

We're not bombing them, Israel's bombing

them.

You just said we were.

We are supporting

his high

stakes.

You're a senator.