Stop The Violence, Stop The Kings (Hour 1)

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over

the weekend.

If you were at one of those, we would love to hear from you and hear what it was like on the ground where you were looking at coverage from over the weekend, really impressive turnouts all over the country.

Impressive turnouts and very, very peaceful.

Yes, very peaceful for the most part.

a very, a couple instances.

But yeah, for the, for the most part, it was, it was very peaceful.

We're going to kind of contrast the No Kings protests to the ego parade that was going on in Washington, DC.

We'll talk about that again after 9 30 an hour.

Number two, after the 10 o'clock newsstand, Schaefer, civic media's political editor and creator of the recombobulation area, who was at the Democratic convention.

over the weekend here in Wisconsin.

I

was gonna say, it's not Friday already,

is it?

No, it is not Friday.

He was there and he's gonna be joining us to give us a little update on what happened at the convention over the weekend.

Wisconsin Dems have a new head and we'll talk about that along with many, many other things.

And then as we always do in hour number two.

We're just all about the

rhymes today.

We're all

rhyming We're gonna lighten things up after the 1030 news with audio sorbet where we like to take a breath.

Oh Hello harps and just get away from the news for a little bit talk about things a little bit lighter after the 1030 news Important that you weigh in on this bagels Toasted or no

I was not aware that this this is a thing.

Yeah, this is a controversial topic.

This is a hot controversial topic So we're gonna jump into that in hour number two after the 1030 news bagels toasted or no And then we'll wrap up the show around 1051 with this shouldn't be a thing today It is the catch me if you can addition Stick around for that.

There it is.

I really wish we didn't have to start here, but we are yeah

assassination suspects arrested after fatal attack on Minnesota lawmakers.

The man suspected of shooting two Democratic lawmakers killing one and her spouse in what Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has called a politically motivated assassination is now in custody.

57-year-old Vance Luther Belter was taken into custody in Sibley County, I believe that's in the northwestern part of the state.

About 50 miles away from Minneapolis, he has a residence there.

He was arrested after state representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were shot and killed.

State Senator John Huffman and his wife Yvette shot multiple times.

I've seen reports this morning they were shot between eight and nine times.

Uh, they are recovering.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Both Democratic lawmakers.

Authorities, this was a big manhunt in Minnesota over the weekend.

If you did not hear details about this, Belter posed as a law enforcement officer.

He didn't just pose like he had a.

a vest on.

If you look at the clip from the ring camera, he's wearing a bald face.

He's wearing

a face mask

that makes him look like a bald man.

Like he went in there.

This was not just a spur of the moment thing.

He

planned this.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

He did.

He had outfitted his vehicle to look like a police vehicle.

What I believe it knocked on their doors like two o'clock in the morning.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just really hard to wrap your head around.

Tim Walls, Governor Walls has praised law enforcement for the capture of Belter, quote, Melissa Hortman was the core of who our values were.

She had a hand in so many things that happened to Melissa and Mark's family.

I cannot fathom your pain and the grief you're going through.

We take solace in the memory and the work that Melissa did.

Rest assured, we will put every ounce of effort that the state of Minnesota has.

to make sure that justice is served."

In his vehicle, which was recovered, he did have a notebook, apparently, with a list of a number of other people on it that were on his target list.

These included Wisconsin lawmakers, some Wisconsin lawmakers, as well as other abortion supporters and abortion

providers.

That just, I mean, and we'll talk about this in a little bit, but that just leads me right into the, the place of mister misinformation and disinformation regarding the, the perceived motives of this man.

Nothing, you know, if they just captured him, they're going to be probably asking him a lot of questions and we'll know more in the coming days.

But man from the jump, from the jump, it was a campaign to make this guy look like a crazy liberal.

And so we will talk more about that, but everything I've seen so far, Jane has been motivated in a pro-life way.

This is a man who stood, who was against abortion.

And hey, we've talked about, we understand if people are against abortion, but I think we could, I think we all should agree that this is not the motive.

This is not the way of getting things done ever.

It doesn't help you ever.

You're right though.

I mean, the,

The way the right jumped on this, trying to spin this in a particular way and make this gunman a far left loony, reporters and I believe law enforcement have talked to his roommates who have said he was a Trump supporter.

He was a big right winger.

But again, that didn't stop, of course, those who like to take advantage of these things.

from trying to spin it their way and to make it even worse.

Yeah.

If that's possible.

Senator Mike Lee, who is a Republican from Utah.

Yeah, he's Senator Mike Lee yesterday, went on social media and posted a photo of the suspect in this and in these two shootings.

Along with the image, Lee wrote, this is what happens when Marxists don't get their way.

And then he also posted another photo of the suspect in that mask and then another photo unmasked and essentially said, yeah, this is what happens when you're so liberal.

That's just beyond the pay.

Oh yeah, he said,

This is a nightmare on Wall Street.

This is what he said.

WALZ.

WALZ for Tim Walls, who is the governor of Minnesota.

That's a sitting U.S.

senator.

Yeah.

And that is honestly what's sad, but to the point of making you, will make you laugh just a little bit is the fact that what he posted is merely tamed and well-tempered compared to...

Those on social media who monetize this kind of rage who monetize this kind of Discourse and I'm using discourse very loosely who just said some of the most rotten poisonous vitriolic things about about Tim Walls about the Democratic Party in Minnesota about Democrats and liberals and tried to make and try to distance themselves as much as possible from this man who clearly has problems you don't

do something like this and you're in your well state of mind.

I'm sorry, that is not how it works.

And I go back to the notion of two things.

There's the same party, Mike Lee and his ilk, who say every time there's a mass shooting, let's not make this political.

This is

a time for thoughts and prayers.

Let's talk about mental health.

Why isn't the first thing on a Mike Lee's mouth, we need to get serious about mental health in this state.

It doesn't matter who, what party he belonged to.

It's about the fact that a person who decides they're going to dress up like a cop, knock on the doors of elected officials because of one issue, and potentially kill them, and an instant kill two of them, that's a bigger conversation to have.

But no, we're going to instead just leave it on the doorstep of America to make their own decision, give them whatever we want to say, and because we can't take responsibility.

We can't say there's a problem in our house.

Or that their own rhetoric might be part of the problem.

Exactly.

Let's not forget that this is the same party who, when Nancy Pelosi's husband, who was in his 80s, was attacked in his home by a man with a hammer, they made jokes about it.

Don Jr.

put on social media that he had a picture of a pair of underwear and a hammer, and he posted, this is my Halloween costume.

Ha, ha, ha, ha.

What it just I mean don't tell me that that doesn't play into this especially when we see our elected officials.

Yeah doing this.

Yeah,

this

is

Yeah, you can go back and forth on you can go back and forth on when they

cried the biggest wolf about, Oh my gosh, what's good?

Like the James Comey thing with the, the seashells and the numbers.

And they went insane over that.

But yet one, they sold t-shirts before this that said 86, 46.

So no problem there.

And Don Jr.

And this is no problem.

But the moment something happens to them, it stopped the presses, stopped the world.

How dare you?

And yet Mike Lee is.

Shame on you, sir.

Shame on you.

And Cassandra on the live stream says, Mike Johnson wanted to censure Alex Padilla last week.

What about today?

Will we see them calling for the censure of Lee?

Great question, Cassandra.

Probably not.

No.

I think that's a fear.

No.

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Good morning, Jean.

Thanks for joining us.

Good morning, what a tragedy.

I just want to quick bring up something because last week I was pretty cranky and I have to say that I was watching where three governors of states, you know, were brought before the Congress for I think about eight hours maybe.

It was a long testimony day where they were nailing them left and right.

And as the governor of New York,

Another governor, the governor of Minnesota and the governor of Chicago.

They were ripped by all of the people with R after the name and Marjorie Taylor Green, Nancy Mays, Boebert.

They were blaming Governor Wall Street.

It was awful.

Everybody, if you get a chance, go to.

public television and see what happened here.

And I hope that even investigators check this out because they were blaming them for any murders in their state by immigrants.

Oh, it was just awful.

Take a look, guys.

I think you won't regret it.

Public television has a post that you can watch The Holy Dars, but particularly see what those people did to those people.

I was so riled, I couldn't even.

about when I saw this, I thought, oh my God.

Well, anyway, thank you very much guys.

And thank you for covering this.

This is an awful tragedy and for the people that have lost loved ones and for our country.

Thank you.

Bye.

Thanks, Gene.

Appreciate it.

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Tom from LA on the live stream says, Mike Johnson just said that Gavin Newsom should be tired and feathered.

Yeah, he said that last week.

Yeah, they have no problem with.

all sorts of threats of violence and all sorts of threats of political retribution, arrest, all those things.

But the moment someone from within their own party does something, it's not even a matter of like, it's the distancing game.

They have to be a liberal.

This person had to have been a liberal.

I mean, nobody from our party is this insane.

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Luthor Bolter 57 is now in custody.

Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were shot and killed over the weekend.

State Senator John Huffman and his wife Yvette were both shot between eight and nine times.

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If you would like to join the conversation, Cassandra from New London is on the line.

Good morning, Cassandra.

Thanks for joining us.

Good morning.

You know, the irony of this is that on Saturday when I found out about this, I was at an event with my kids.

That was like the one thing that

kept me from doing the protests, obviously a family time.

But, you know, it just kind of brings to light the facts of the double standards like you guys were talking about.

You know, it's interesting that the thing that they're saying why he was like a liberal and must have targeted Melissa is that in order to pass their budget bill in Minnesota,

She voted with the Republicans to not fund healthcare for undocumented immigrants.

And that's like the one thing that did it for this guy, which is ridiculous because if you look at her history, she's the big reason why Minnesota has the free school breakfast and lunch, family paid leave and things like that.

There's very little that you could say a liberal would be mad at her about.

except for this one tiny thing.

And she was very honest about how it pained her to have to vote against this measure.

But because in Minnesota, if you don't come up with a budget, the government closes, that's why she voted for it so they could have a deal.

Right, exactly.

So I mean, in their conspiracy theory, but it also just kind of brings to light too.

Um, I put up a lot of signs in my yard and like right now my house is covered in like rainbow stuff.

No, I get a lot of, you know, positive comments from people more than I would imagine I would, but there still is unfortunately that fear because I've had people yell things out the window during like election season.

And, you know, if they're willing to go through this to target a lawmaker, you wonder what they're willing to do to target like regular citizens and.

I know it scares people in our community from being vocal.

No doubt.

Yeah, thank you so much, Cassandra.

Really appreciate you joining us.

Always appreciate you listening.

Cassandra, just for you and for everyone else, there's a great article in the Minnesota Reformer that's debunking these disinformation and conspiracy theories.

I will put them in the show notes so people can, because that's something that happened immediately.

When I posted just, I didn't post anything political, anything with rhetoric.

It was just shocking.

And then I had no words and immediately, and unfortunately it's from my own family.

starting to push the notion of he was a liberal and this is blah, blah, blah.

And so Jay Patrick Kulakhan went through and debunks

them one by one

debunks them and says exactly what was going on.

And it all comes down to the fact that this was a gentleman most likely suffering from massive mental health issues.

And that's also, that's needs to be part of that conversation.

It's a shame.

It's a tragedy that two people lost their life and two others are fighting for their lives.

But we also need to talk about this as

well.

Well, but we know and someone on the live stream put this as well.

Yes, let's fund more mental health.

What are the Republicans cutting in their big blob of a bill?

Mental health.

And the Wisconsin Republicans have done that over and over and over again.

We talk every time there's a mass shooting, every time there's an incident.

It's not the guns.

It's never the guns.

It can't possibly be the guns.

It's mental health.

And then we try and pass increased funding for mental health and the Republicans kill it.

It's just an endless cycle.

Tom from LA is on the line.

Good morning, Tom.

We got about a minute and a half left.

Thanks for joining us, Tom.

What do you want to say?

Absolutely.

First off, as I always say, we the people ultimately are the government.

And we must never forget that.

I went to three No Kings rallies on Saturday, went to Ventura, California, Malibu, California, and Thousand Oaks, California.

Thousands and thousands of people.

Most well-respected, most nice human beings you would ever meet in your entire life.

Also, just because a woman has the right to choose,

It doesn't mean she's going to choose to have an abortion.

I hope everybody gets that.

It's a choice.

And she can choose to either have it or not have it.

This is not a pro-abortion thing.

I do think the Republicans are the pro-death party, though, because all of their policies are what causes death to average Americans out there.

And last, I would really encourage everybody that has the Republican legislature, as well as the Democratic call-in.

and say this has to stop.

Someone needs to take responsibility, personal responsibility for talking this way about violence to our senators, our congressmen, and progressives and liberals.

Stop.

You're absolutely right, Tom.

I appreciate it.

And if folks listening aren't sure how to contact your lawmakers, there's a super easy way to do that.

Myvote.wi.gov.

Myvote.wi.gov.

All you have to do is put in your address and all of the names and all of the contact information for all of the people who represent you will come up.

That includes senators, representatives,

from the president to your city council.

To dog catcher.

It's all there, so take advantage of it and give them a call.

Be respectful.

Myvote.wi.gov.

We have news coming up next and then when we return, no kings, protests like Tom was just referring to.

We would love to talk to you if you were there and we're gonna talk some favorite signs as well.

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Coming up after 10 o'clock, Dan Schaefer will be here.

Civic Media's political editor, the creator of the Recombobulation Area.

He was also at the Democrats' big convention in Wisconsin over the weekend.

We have a new DNC leader here in Wisconsin.

Yep.

We will talk about that.

We will talk about that.

Give our

thoughts.

And many other things when Dan Schaefer joins us after 10 o'clock.

Right now though, we did want to talk about all of the turnout over the weekend.

Massive, massive turnout.

And it's interesting seeing how just different outlets are spinning this.

Some outlets are saying thousands of people rallied and no Kings rallies.

There were hundreds of thousands of people out.

across our country on Saturday

and big ups to Wisconsin.

I think that I think it's like over 60,000 total from

17,000 in Madison, 15,000 in Milwaukee, to 300 in Spooner.

Oh, that's awesome.

Like, I'm all about the protests, but when Spooner brings in

300, I'm like, yeah.

Spooner shows up.

Spooner shows up.

If you were at one of the rallies, 855-752-4842, we would like to hear from you.

What was it like on the ground?

What did you hear from other folks you were talking to?

Favorite signs.

Oh, yeah.

We'd love to hear some of the favorite signs you saw at the No Kings Rallies on Saturday.

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The Washington Post says across the country, relatively few disruptions reported during protests and marches where the mood ranged from joyful to defiant.

I saw one story about the police intervening a proud boy who was at one of the rallies trying to ruffle the feathers.

And one of the protesters, a friend of mine was a Milwaukee protest protesting.

And she said there was a guy in Trump gear trying to cause problems, be a rabble rouser.

He rouses rabbles and, and they weren't taking the bait.

That's, I mean, it's when people mobilize like this, we've seen before,

You know, yes, things could happen.

They don't represent the whole and I don't like seeing that ever.

I mean, unless you're storming January 6th and you guys are weird.

But this was a peaceful protest and people aren't going to take that bait.

They're going to look at you and be like, you're hilarious.

I got things to do, like try to save this democracy.

I actually saw some footage from, I believe it was in Los Angeles from Saturday again.

And someone had started a fire near some bike racks.

So a bunch of people who were marching ran over to the fire and put it out with their water bottles.

Yeah, there you go.

And there were great instructions on how to be a peaceful protest.

There was training available online.

So that way, because...

It's not unlike groups to say, hey, let's throw some bad actors in there to cause some problems and then we can blame it.

And they had methods of taking care of that, filming the person sitting down so they were the only one being seen.

There's a ways of handling it.

So a guy wearing his MAGA hat is cute, but they're not going to stop for you.

They're just going to keep going.

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Laurie from Shawnau is on the line.

Good morning, Laurie.

Thanks so much for joining us.

Good morning.

I was at the Shawnau protest.

So there was one sign that a lady had that said, and people think that women are too

emotional president.

And another lady had one that said something like grow a pair of breasts and get something done.

Those are my two favorites.

Oh, that's awesome.

And I had a just a bag of garbage.

It was a doge bag.

I wrote that on there.

If I had any artistic talent, I would have had like a stick with

Elon Musk face on it, but people asked me what was in the bag I said just trash and ketamine I said and afterwards I'm gonna throw it in a trumpster dumpster And we did we did have some hecklers, but

did you?

Yeah, there was there was like two or three guys and one guy went over to talk to him, but

Um, yeah, he was yelling about abortion and it's like, yeah, did you use, have you used birth control every time you've had sex and did your part to prevent unwanted pregnancy?

I doubt it.

But yeah, unfortunately, people were kind of paying attention to him and yelling back at him.

I wish they wouldn't have done that.

But

well, but nothing, nothing happened.

Overall, it was very peaceful, Lori.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

I mean, there are a lot more people than I thought, but yeah, no throwing punches,

you know,

yell once in a while, but nothing horrible.

Appreciate it.

Thanks so much, Laurie.

Really appreciate you checking in, Laurie, from Shawnau, who is at one of the No Kings marches on Saturday.

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Adam from Oregon, my wife and I brought our three year old son and 19 month old daughter to the protest in Madison.

Great energy all around.

A lot of people stopped to thank us for bringing our kids.

That's fantastic.

We love seeing that.

We love seeing that.

And Tom from LA has sent us a few texts here.

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One of the pictures has a young lady holding a sign that just simply, this is a, this is a reference to the presidential debate from 2024 when, you know, we cared about Springfield, Ohio.

That was the biggest news story ever.

That was the, didn't that seem like a decade ago, Jane?

But she's holding a sign that says they're reading the checks.

They're eating the balances.

I love that one.

That's great.

And then another one, uh, it says, I should be at home reading a dystopian novel, not living in one.

And that, that gives me, I got goosebumps reading that cause it's, it's starting, it's feeling more and more like that.

And I don't like

it.

Cassandra on the live stream, I saw one on Facebook that had a bunch of different colored balls glued to a poster and it said, Hey, Congress, I've got some balls for you to use.

Jenny on the live stream, best sign of the weekend, protest because it's easier than hiding in your neighbor's attic.

There you go.

I mean, you know, I was very, very proud.

Let's see.

Jenny also put 71,000 in Wisconsin, 1.2% of the state was out protesting.

That's that's a big turnout.

That's a great turnout and and as Lori just put it like it wasn't just Milwaukee Madison Green Bay.

It was Spooner.

Spooner, Shawno.

It was all over the state and whether it was a couple hundred or quite a few thousand people are really showing their support and I would love to know, you know, one of the things that's very, I'm very curious about is of those individuals who are protesting, how many of those people

voted for Donald Trump and now say this was a bad idea.

How many of those people voted for Donald Trump the first time and said, I made a mistake?

And it's not in a matter of, I told you so.

It's a matter of, okay, as Will Westmoreland said, I'm not asking you to tell me you're wrong.

I'm asking you to tell me you were lied to.

And then once you realize that, you stand up with the masses and say, no

more.

PJ, on the live stream when I arrived at the Oshkosh Rally, there was a small group of people walking and talking out loud trying to claim that protesters were being paid.

I snapped back at them saying, I wish I was.

And that's the automatic go-to, too.

It's like people couldn't possibly feel motivated enough on their own by what is happening in our country to get out of their house on a Saturday and make a sign and go protest.

No, they must be getting paid.

Yeah,

absolutely.

There is a disconnect for some reason that, yeah, people are passionate about this.

People care about the state of democracy in our country.

Does that shock you?

It is,

you know, I am not an expert in this topic, but I've watched enough videos and read interviews with people who are experts on the topic of cults.

And one of the things that goes into that proves that this movement is more cultist than it is patriotic or American or whatever you want to call it is the fact that anytime you present the information that is verified and it is true, the immediate response is to say,

That's not true.

You made that up.

I watched a young man show a Trump supporter, a video of Trump talking about how he walked into the dressing room during Miss Teen USA.

And the man's first response was, that's AI.

So there's always an explanation.

There's always an excuse.

There's always a reason to deny reality.

And that's the problem.

And that's one of the hardest things about trying to...

In any other situation, Jane, I would never respond to people on my social media who are throwing.

Throwing bombs.

Yeah.

But one of them is a family member and I don't want to yell at him.

I don't want to fight with him.

I just simply want to say, look, you posted this.

It's been 72 hours since it happened.

Here is some real information that is verified through multiple news sources.

You don't have to believe it, but it exists here and you cannot deny it, even though he told me.

Well, anything you say that anything I say that I have proof of quote, and then for those listening on the radio, I got air quotes on proof.

He says, you won't believe either.

And I know it's a hard discussion to have because no matter what we say, no matter who it is, it's always an immediate denial of reality.

That's what they have to do.

And that makes them feel better because they know in their heart of hearts that you are wrong.

They're

right.

And they are.

really doing the work now of God, because that is where we've gotten, you remember this, in 2016, when he ran on 2015, when it was 2016, there was no talk of like a divine coordination, but now they've created this idea that he is chosen by God as a flawed leader because he's not perfect.

He's Cyrus, yeah.

He is a human.

So that's the problem is that, and that is what makes me think that this is cultish behavior.

because they just cannot get past

reality.

Honk, if you've never drunk texted water

plans.

Yeah.

That one's good.

Yeah.

Tom from LA giving us a, giving us a lot of great ones here.

These are all signs that he saw Fox news as elder abuse.

I've never thought about, I've never thought of it in those

terms in that context.

Yeah.

A young man who I'm assuming is of Latino heritage is holding a sign in the colors of the Mexican flag that say, my people feed your family.

Ooh.

Yeah.

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There were a couple of things going on on Saturday.

Really?

Wait.

There were the No Kings protests.

Yeah.

There was a parade in Washington.

Who was that for?

It was an eco parade for the president of the United States.

We're going to talk about that in comparison to the No Kings marches.

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We were talking about the, you know, King's protests around the country number you just saw right before we came back on the air, what 11 million?

11 plus

million.

Yep.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

So I'm going to say that too.

I'm going to say it louder.

So, uh,

mainstream media can hear it.

It stops saying thousands.

Stop saying thousands.

It makes it sound so tiny.

Hundreds of thousands.

And we were talking about some of the better signs that were at some of these protests.

A listener on WXCO says, I can't get into the live chat, but one sign I saw said, Ikea has better cabinets.

I'm looking at one of two people.

They look like they're dressed as tacos.

That's nice.

And she's wearing she has a sign that says this sequel sucks.

Another good one.

Big parade today because therapy was too hard.

Yeah.

An Asian American woman standing with a sign that says you made an Asian stand in the sun.

You monster.

Another sign from

one of

Saturday's protests.

Somebody please blend his bronzer.

Okay,

I'm glad you brought this up because that is one thing where I look like he's truly being taken care of people who don't care about him because There's gotta be someone who's like come here.

Let's just let's just fix this Let's just fix it up and honestly and I'm gonna take I'm gonna take 10 seconds here.

Let him be gray Because I've seen him with gray hair and it looks natural and it looks nice on him It looks normal on him.

Do you think he takes the advice of

anyone?

No, but

That's why

his bronzer looks the way it does.

Tell Ivanka to tell him.

He'll listen then.

And speaking of that, here's another sign from Saturday.

If Melania doesn't have to live with him, why do we?

So yes, while the protests were going on around the country, Trump's big ego parade happened on Saturday in Washington, D.C.

Lots of empty bleachers lots of not people lots and lots of empty bleachers

It

was pretty amazing.

I mean, I

think it was pretty I'm not surprised I would have been surprised if a lot of people showed up because you didn't hear Regular folks saying we're making the track.

We're going there.

We're gonna go watch the parade the

Network stations weren't carrying it.

Cable, some cable networks did carry it, but it was, and that says a lot when they're not going to preempt their Saturday afternoon programming, which is generally not that involved.

Or does it badminton on Saturday afternoons?

Badminton on ESPN seven.

But yeah, I mean, I really wasn't surprised at all.

I mean, this is, this is, this goes to show that.

I believe personally that when you take all of the people who are mega super mega dark mega if you will Elon Musk is they don't really care about this movement.

They don't care about the the man as much as they do the talk and the owning the lives owning the lives and getting the reaction and doing all the things because if they were that's like hardcore hardcore and into him they'd have been there millions.

Two three millions celebrate and and also you throw on top of this the 250th anniversary of the army It's it's everything they talk about Patriotism the military love backing the blue what all that stuff they they claim to love they don't really love it because they don't go to these events they don't support him in that fashion, but they'll get on the internet and Type away a keyboard warrior.

Yeah

I also have to wonder if enough folks who are his supporters have been burned by them in the past I don't know leaving them after a rally and not giving them a way to get back Little little things like that.

Yeah, that might have kind of kept people away a little bit But the one thing that really stood out to me.

I feel really badly for our troops

Absolutely.

In the photos that I've seen and the videos that I've seen, it does not look like they were all gung-ho to be there.

You ripped them away from their families on Father's Day weekend for

one thing.

And I don't know whose idea this was, but there is a photo of one of our soldiers carrying a drone over his head, walking with a drone.

That was all over the internet.

Yeah

room room room.

Yeah Well, and that's you know for me personally and we talked about this before we went on the air is you know Those who loved Donald Trump did not tout this as his birthday parade They touted it as we're celebrating the the birthday of or the anniversary of the army and It was so I mean we've never done this before

Dwight D. Eisenhower a five-star general an American hero one World War two with other people He didn't demand a parade.

In fact, he would have hated something like this and now we're doing this in the guise of of Celebrating the troops fine.

Let's celebrate the troops.

We can do that.

That's absolutely fine But also let's fund the troops.

Let's fund the VA.

Let's talk about

mental health Well, and again 45 million dollars is them is the the number that's been thrown around.

Yeah

I would love a little follow-up on this.

Absolutely.

After we see how much damage was done to the streets in Washington on what the actual cost of this is and whether or not, gee, I don't know if that money could have been better spent elsewhere.

Absolutely.

That's another thing you may want to call, oh, I don't know, Wisconsin Republicans about like Brian Stile.

Glenn growth men, you know the guys who actually work in Washington who were not at

his parade Yep, I was gonna say why don't you ask them why they weren't there?

Ask them why they weren't there and ask them if 45 million dollars if that's the best way for us to spend 45 million dollars Yeah, if you don't know how to contact them easy easy my vote dot w i dot gov my vote dot w i dot gov Call your elected representatives and ask them about it

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We have a double shot of Dan Schaefer this week who is at the convention in Wisconsin over the weekend.

Good morning, Dan.

You must be tired.

It was a long weekend for you.

It was a long weekend, but happy to join you here on Matten Air on Air as always and yes, it was it was quite the weekend at the Chula Vista Resort in Wisconsin Dells for the Wisdoms 2025 Convention talking about the road to 2026 and electing a new chair the the farewell convention for Ben Wickler

in so many ways.

And I think Ben maybe took the stage, oh, I don't know, about 20 different times over the course of the two-day convention to talk, but it was definitely a celebration of Ben Wickler's six years as chair of the party and then looking ahead to the future after they elected Devin Remaker as the next chair.

of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

So lots going on, as always.

What do we know about Devin Remaker,

other than the fact that, because Ben Wickler had endorsed him leading up to this.

That's right.

Yeah, Wickler endorsed Remaker in this race.

Remaker was the executive director of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin for quite some time.

He was one of the leaders of the Harris Walls campaign in Wisconsin.

Last year, he is a native of two rivers, Wisconsin, went to UW La Crosse.

and has really been part of the party for quite a while in Wisconsin.

So I think he, you know, of the people running, he seemed kind of like the more internal wisdoms, you know, kind of insider choice, Joseph Heckey running a little bit from outside of the party, and then William Garcia running and kind of he came in third place in the final votes there.

for that.

But I think, you know, I think Remaker is going to be, you know, he really built this as kind of a continuation of what was going right for.

Democrats of Wisconsin.

I think even at one point in one of the speeches he gave, it's just like, well, national Democrats were rolling over, Wisconsin Democrats were putting up a fight.

And I think he kept saying that in Wisconsin, the Democratic Party works.

And so for whatever dysfunction you might see on a national scale for the Democratic Party, I think that part of his message was to say that, you know, what we're doing in Wisconsin is working.

And I think by and large, the results of the spring election have absolutely reinvigorated.

party.

I think there was so many people after the loss in November.

I wonder what this type of convention would be like

had it

not been for Susan Crawford's 10-point victory in April.

Yeah,

I think there'd be a lot more hair on fire, maybe.

Ringing of hands.

What are we going to do?

And really, you think about it too.

The first Donald Trump

Donald Trump v Clinton.

But the 2016, 2020, 2024 were tumultuous for Wisconsin back and forth in a time when the presidential election since Reagan went to Democrats.

But Wisconsin, when it becomes our election, our statewide election, we lock it down, we get it in and we talk about the important things.

And we see a different attitude.

And Dan, I believe you talked about this too, is that in the April election of this year,

things really shifted left in all counties and all parts of the state areas that went for Trump.

I mean, they didn't become all of a sudden blue havens, but they definitely showed a tick towards the left.

And I think if the Wisconsin Democrats can capitalize on the work that Ben Wickler has done,

I think there can be some really good things happening, especially in those wow counties, the bow counties, and those areas that people are like, well, those are Republican strongholds, and also with fair

maps.

Yeah, I think you know and and Wichler I think the the number that they were saying at the convention that under you know his leadership Democrats or democratically aligned candidates had won ten of the last 13 statewide races since he took the helm in 2019 so a pretty impressive record overall obviously flipping the state Supreme Court was a big part of that You know coming up short in November, but you know the closest of all of the swing states

in the country too.

So I think, you know, Remaker will have an opportunity to, you know, kind of carry the torch from Wickler.

And it was an interesting vote.

It was contentious.

It was close.

Both camps had a lot of signs, you know, floating around the convention for the weekend, but then it did go to a second round in the ranked choice voting on Sunday.

So this was held with ranked choice voting for the first time because they had three candidates running for it.

In the first round of voting, Remaker received 437 votes.

Zipecki got 330, and Garcia had 139.

So then Garcia drops off for the second round.

And then those kind of second place votes within those ranks, Remaker ended up with 485 to Zipecki's 415.

Wow, close though.

Pretty close.

Ultimately at the end of the day, yeah.

So a really interesting vote, interesting that they had it with rank choice voting.

Um, and then, you know, on down the line, it was also, uh, two new party officers were elected.

They were, they ran, uh, unopposed.

So Sarah Godlowski.

is now the first vice chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

And Joshua Taylor, who's been the chair of the party's fourth congressional district, was elected as second vice chair as well.

So some change within a couple of the officers of the party as well.

And with Godluschi, I do wonder if the fact that she's been a more public face for in a lot of different...

places.

She's, you know, taken this both state treasurer and secretary of state's office and done a little bit more with it than we might expect.

You know, I wonder if she might take a similar approach to the first vice chair role as well.

Dan Schaefer is here, Civic Media's political editor, also the creator of the Recombobulation Area.

He was at the Wist Dems convention over the weekend, and we're doing a little recap of what happened, including the election of Devon Remaker as the head of Wist Dems.

I think it's interesting that they did ranked choice voting.

I know that that's something that there's a push to see more of this happen.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I think just overall like democracy reforms are really interesting and I thought it was great that the Wisdoms you know as advancing these this you know as a platform or as an option to go about it You know we're seeing in the national news like the the mayor of New York

uh election uh mayor of new york city election that's happening right now will also be a ranked choice vote so that's going to be interesting to watch uh there as well but i i think you know sometimes we've seen people talk about hey let's do a ranked choice voting like in the legislature they talked about you know a couple people talked about wanting to do a ranked choice voting but oh but not for us but for you know members of congress or something like that so i thought it was good of the democrats to say

Uh, yeah, we, we approve of this and we're actually going to adopt it to, to elect our chair and our party officers.

Yeah.

It's kind of tough to say this is a really good thing that we should do, but we don't want to do this thing.

That's

kind

of

tough.

I have a question, Dan.

And I want, I'm not, I'm, I'm asking you to give me your opinion on like the behind the scenes stuff.

And yeah, I found something very interesting.

So when.

Ben Wickler decides to step down.

We saw people throwing their hats in the ring.

And one of the first people is Joe Speck.

You think the day, like either the day after or the weekend after, and he came out strong with lots of endorsements.

And Ben Wickler had said, I'm not going to endorse anybody.

And then in the last couple of weeks, he endorsed Devin, I almost said Lemahue, but remind me his last name.

That'd be

a

surprise.

Right?

But why do you think he endorsed him?

and be, and this is our, I don't want to get conspiracy theory or like politics.

Was it because Joseph Becky was, as, as you said, an outsider showing a lead or real good chance of getting it.

And they'd be like, no, we want to keep it like within, I don't know, don't elect the outsider guy.

Don't let's keep it with us.

I mean, that, I know that's, that's a lot for you to comment on.

And if you, if you don't want to, I understand, but it just seemed very weird that

He did exactly what he said he wasn't going to do, which is very odd.

Cause, you know, it would be easier not to endorse anybody, but he took heat for doing this.

And it seemed like it happened in the, in the moment where it's the, the, the outside guy, Joseph Heckey, who, you know, I think would have done a great job.

I loved his attitude towards statewide inclusion and community, but was it too much?

And they're like, no, we gotta keep, we gotta keep one of our guys in this chair.

Yeah, so you know I interviewed Ben Wickler about a month ago And it just happened it happened to be the day after that he endorsed Remaker and so I asked him about it He had initially said he was going to remain neutral and and Wickler said he just said he changed his mind and that he's just like it's an election Everybody gets their say I do wonder if you know that was a significant factor in swinging some votes over I know some people were just like I didn't didn't really exactly love

his decision to endorse in the race.

But I think, look, I don't think it was a coincidence that Remaker announced his campaign for this within hours of Wichler stepping down.

It just seemed like he was kind of the internal pick to continue on.

You know, grab the torch from Wickler and continue with like the same type of approach that they have been.

I joked with Ben in that interview that using one of my favorite jokes from the HBO series, Veep, the campaign line, continuity with change.

God, that show is good.

So good.

And that to me, it kind of like what we spoke about last week.

And if you want to listen to our interview with Dan from last week, go to civicmedia.us slash shows.

You can listen to the Friday episode.

We're talking about your article regarding Tony Evers.

And we're talking about the idea of primaries versus picking the next person or just allowing that person, you know, the guy in charge of this walk past everybody else.

Like he's the one.

This this notion of we want primaries.

We want choices I think gets muted when the guy who is beloved Who says he's not going to endorse then comes out and says he endorses the guy who literally?

It comes out who literally announced hours after Ben announced his retirement.

It just for me There's like a little there's a little pain.

They're going oh you could mmm that that will always bother me That will always do

I do wonder if there's a comparison to be made in this race between the race for Wisdom's chair and the race for DNC chair.

So, you know.

just as Zopecki was kind of mounting these, you know, endorsements when he announced and stuff like that.

Ben Wickler was in the same role,

kind of

as more of the party outsider compared to Ken Martin, who had been, you know, an officer within the DNC for a while.

And so I think, you know, some of us were surprised to see Ken Martin win that, but he had been kind of lining up a run for this type of role for a really long time.

And I wonder if there's, you know, Devin Remaker is the Ken Martin in this analogy, and Joseph Pecky is the Ben Wickler in this analogy.

or

maybe a little bit more of a public persona for his pecky, but maybe didn't have the support from within the party, within the delegates and all of that.

Yeah.

Well, Ben Wickler, but he may not want to get too comfortable because whether or not Ken Martin is going to remain in that spot after he was caught on tape saying, yeah, I don't know if I want to do this anymore.

What have you been there for two months?

It's not great, Jane.

It's not

great.

This job is hard.

Oh, I didn't think it was going to be this hard.

Oh,

I'm going to talk to

all the

Democrats.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

So, Ben, I don't know.

You might get tapped for this

yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's an interesting analogy, Dan.

This is very, very interesting.

Because, yeah, I just couldn't, when I saw that he was elected, when Devon Remaker was elected and like that, just, it stuck in my craw to quote my grandpappy.

Well, and I think some, unfortunately, that can lead to both parties are the same.

Both

parties do this.

One is not better than the other.

We're going to continue our conversation with Dan Schaefer on the other side, Civic Media's political editor and the creator of the multi-multi-multi award-winning recombobulation area.

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Dan Schaefer is here.

Civic Media's political editor and founder of the Recombobulation area.

And Dan was

that the WisDEMS convention over the weekend here in Wisconsin.

And not only stuff happening with a brand new chair, but Dan, you sat down with George's Senator Raphael Warnock, who was, if I'm not mistaken, the keynote speaker of that event, correct?

That's right.

He was he was the keynote speaker Saturday night at the convention is kind of when all of the different big names in Wisconsin politics would deliver their speeches and more knocks was The one to cap off the night.

He delivered a terrific speech, but moments before He delivered that speech.

I got a chance to sit down with him for a few minutes and interview the senator which was which was a real treat and you know, he had some really interesting things to say

There are some commonalities between Wisconsin and Georgia, both being, you know, swing states, both having, you know, being purple states and the challenges that can come with that.

And, you know, he talked about the big ugly bill working its way through Congress.

He talked about working with Senator Tammy Baldwin, both Georgia and Wisconsin.

are both non-expansion states for Medicaid and that's something

that

both of them have worked on at a federal level to try and try and make some change there as well and talked about kind of where Wisconsin's position is nationally and what type of significance the spring election had in Wisconsin too.

Had 10 minutes with the senator and we touched on a lot.

So go check out that interview at the recombobulation area.

And we have a small clip of that conversation.

that you gave to us.

Calvin, can you play that clip of Dan's Hawking to Senator Rafael Warnock?

Well, we are in a fierce debate in our in our in the Congress right now.

The big ugly bill represents the largest transfer of wealth from the bottom half of the country to the top that we ever seen.

And

I'm very concerned about my constituents in Georgia.

I'm concerned about rural towns in particular that count on SNAP.

Not only the people who need it, but these small grocery stores, the local economies that count on this, on this response to food insecurity.

I mean, it says it right there, Dan.

I mean, I see videos projecting the taxes for poor people will go up versus tax cuts for billionaires will also go up.

I mean, we're talking about a bill here that is going to penalize people for being poor and food insecure and just not being a guy who can call up and talk to the president when they want to.

I mean, this is ridiculous.

And I didn't know how much Georgia had in common with Wisconsin.

Yeah, and you know the way he talked about this being you know quote the largest transfer of wealth from the bottom half of the country to the top that we've ever seen I mean, that's a really significant statement to me from some from somebody like Warnock who has you know He in his keynote speech at the convention talked about some of his personal background talked about You know working his way up from being a poor child to being a US senator

and relying on, you know, programs like Head Start, programs like Food Assistance, programs like that really matter.

And he talked about how he campaigned in Georgia in a lot of rural areas and small towns.

And he said there were a lot of people who were surprised to see him come back after the election as well to continue having that conversation with people.

And I think, you know, he talked about it in the context of

You know what some of his Republican counterparts are going to be doing and you know, there are a lot of people serving in red districts across the country who are representing those who are going to Be losing medication coverage will be losing their food assistance will be losing

a few other things.

And so one of his quotes was saying, quote, and my Republican colleagues have got to decide, are they going to fight for their own constituents, the constituents in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district?

Is she going to fight for them or is she going to carry the MAGA banner?

That's the question before her.

And Wisconsin faces a similar question.

Oh,

and a question I have too is if these individuals who are who supported and voted for Donald Trump, not the politicians, but the real people,

when they see their benefits go away, when they see their taxes go up, will they hold those Republican lawmakers accountable?

Will they hold their feet to the fire at election time?

Will qualified candidates primary them?

But I heard a statistic coming in this morning that said,

One out of only one of five Americans are aware of what is in this budget bill So that means that four out of five have no I it's like project 2025.

Yeah, it's out there, but unless it's really in your face I don't know that a lot of people really understand what this is going to do.

Yeah Yeah, it's a

It's a disaster of a bill.

And I think, you know, Warnock's comments on this and just talking about the way he works with, has worked with Tammy Baldwin over the years to address some of the similar challenges.

I think both being swing states, both being states that have large urban centers and many rural small towns.

And I think that their focus on being senators through the whole state is something I heard a lot from Tammy Baldwin last year.

I had a chance to interview her as well, and it was interesting to see the similar approach being taken by Raphael Warnock, who reminded me as well that he won

five elections in three years, which, you know, that's pretty impressive.

You should get a medal or a day off or a chocolate

prize basket.

I mean, that is amazing.

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Bagels toasted, or no.

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This is the segment that we call Audio Sorbet.

I feel cleansed

already.

Right?

It's a cleansing for the ear away from the heavy topics of the news and all of those things that are a little bit exhausting.

So we like to take a little break and lighten it up for the last half an hour of the show.

This could be a very contentious argument.

Yes,

I

heard it is.

I people have strong feelings about this.

So here we go.

Bagels toasted or no.

8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 bagels toasted or no 8 5 5 7 5 civic 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 from articles that I have seen If you are a bagel purist, yeah, you should not toast your bagel Okay

I'm

just saying what I've read why okay, then I respond with this question why Must you why would a purist say

that I?

Think because I always imagine like the creation of the bagel out east as a as a New York City creation Mm-hmm, and I have read that New Yorkers many people are saying do not toast their bagels Do not toast bagels

And I, I am not a bagel purist.

I love toasted bagels.

I would honestly, like, I feel like the purist line, like, why?

I can understand.

So yeah, I don't know if it's the texture.

It's the freshness.

It's the freshness and the texture is unadulterated, non-toasted.

The

flavor is untouched by the heat of the

toaster oven.

There's something going on, but I guess toasting.

changes the bagel in a way that is a crime.

The toaster oven changes the molecular structure of the goodness that is America, the bagel.

See, I think nothing's better than a toasted bagel and a smear.

That's what it's called.

It's called a smear.

I know but the way you said it I wish there was like I wish there was like, you know Inspirational music behind it.

There's nothing better.

I'm just gonna do

a lot

of voices

during

this segment because that's what I want to do because this is fun, but

I don't know, I guess I go, I guess maybe call me a super progressive, I go both ways.

Because- Oh, you're a bagel swing.

Calvin, don't look at the camera like that.

I see your face.

Your

face can't

hide your disdain of what I just said.

He's a bagel purist.

It's like, he eats them raw.

They don't even bake them.

They don't even

have to cook them.

He's just like, he's just like- Just give me the dough.

Give me the dough, throw the dough in my face and some cream cheese.

Audio survey today, bagel toasted or no.

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, 8-5-5, 7-5-Civic.

Luan, is it Wanderos?

Wanderos.

Wanderos, okay.

Correct us if we're wrong, Luan.

Yeah, because I think of Underoos.

I agree with

you.

Yeah, so Wanderos.

Listening on W-L-A-K-N-A.

Black!

She says, and this, I feel like it's very, very stern.

Specific.

Sliced.

buttered and grilled or not at all.

There you go.

I kind of enjoy that sort of like she gets, if she goes to a restaurant and they hand her a bagel and it's not buttered and or not grilled.

It's like, excuse me.

Garcon.

Hello.

Do you not know the ways of the bagel?

I order them sliced, battered, and grilled or not

at all.

Or not at

all?

Not at all.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 audio survey today.

Bagels toasted or no.

8-5-5-7-5 civic.

I prefer a toasted bagel.

I like a nice asiago with a...

So we're up with cream cheese and chive cream cheese onion and chive

I personally Okay, so this is why I could go both ways if I'm buying store-bought Okay in a bag and they're in my fridge or not my fridge don't come at me for how I store on bagels.

It's my life I'm probably gonna toast it.

I want that buttery melty or If it's a plain I will endeavor into peanut butter and or jelly

If it's a savory, if you try to give me a sweet smear, I will scream in your face and run away.

Yeah, that shouldn't

be

a thing.

But if I'm going to a deli, if I'm going, and if I'm in New York, oh, oh, oh, what in Rome?

I'll go fresh, untoasted.

Untoasted?

I think that's the thing is, if I'm going to a restaurant that's making them fresh in-house, I don't think I'm going to get it toasted.

Because I think

it's gonna be soft.

That would

be in a front, in a front to the baker.

Less more than, less so that than just, I feel like it's gonna be fresh.

I don't feel like what I'm getting in this door is super fresh.

So just toast it and get it nice and warm and get that.

Cause I mean, let's face it.

Come on, Jane.

Let's just be honest here.

Can we have a moment, folks?

Can we have a moment of honesty?

Brutal honesty.

I

want, I want a moment.

Calvin, can you just play the heart music for me really quick?

Just really quick.

A moment of honesty with Craig.

Okay.

Do you really like bagels, or do you like the schmere that is transported by them?

It's a cream cheese delivery

system.

It's a conduit for the schmere,

or the jelly, or whatever you put it.

Yes, of course it is.

So, does it really

matter?

It does

matter.

Does it matter?

Delivery matters.

Yes.

Bagels toasted or no, 855-752-4842, Judy from East Troy.

Fresh made, no toast.