Mr. Johnson Goes To Medical School (Hour 1)

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I'm going to be talking about some recent judgments, not in the Trump administration's favor, and also something that is hidden in that big budget bill.

that would, yeah.

And even one Republican representative from Florida admitted this week, he did not know this was in there.

Because he hadn't read it.

Exactly, there it is.

Yeah, didn't read the bill that everybody the hell love.

It's a beautiful bill.

They love this bill.

Oh, it's big.

Except when they actually like read it and all the details come out.

So yes, there's this little hidden provision in the budget bill that would essentially

Shield the Trump administration from any run doing

It's like when you ever meet someone you're like, oh you are you are attractive you are a looker and then they start talking you're like

oh This is terrible.

Yeah,

that's what this bill is.

It's it looks really pretty, but then words happen and you're like, oh, I got it

Burn this.

Yeah, once you start looking at it a little bit more closely, it's always a good day.

I don't know, reading things.

Before you support them just seems like something one would want to do.

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Why do people do this?

Exactly.

That's coming up around 1051, so stick around for that.

A couple of things I wanted to start off with, though, just to mention very briefly before we talk about Wisconsin, senior Senator Ron Johnson.

The U.S.

Court of International Trade ruled that Donald Trump's tariffs are unlawful.

Judges appointed by Trump, Obama, and Reagan.

All ruled that the Constitution gives Congress the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, not the administration.

Well, the thing that always is, it's been confusing to me is like, and has had to been broken down and explained is that, like this,

it's like the executive orders he can sign as many executive orders as he wants and some of them can stick but some of them have no power whatsoever like him saying no paper straws like what do you mean in the in the white house okay i guess boss man doesn't want paper straws but like i while this is a good thing i think it's great

That just means Congress is going to be like, oh, it's fine.

Tell us what to do, and we'll do it.

It's fine.

Let's find another way around this.

We'll throw it

in the big, beautiful bill.

What do you want?

150 million percent for Japan?

Why not?

The market's kind of having mixed reactions to this.

The Dow right now is down a little bit, but the S&P and the Nasdaq, rather, are both up.

But again, this court ruling that Donald Trump does not get to set tariffs.

It's the job of Congress.

So we'll

see what happens with this.

As we mentioned, yes, Wisconsin senior Senator Ron Johnson was in Wisconsin yesterday.

It's always nice when he takes time to actually stop here.

Well, Florida is always beautiful.

It is.

And so is house.

So is Fox News.

You know, that's his favorite place to be.

He says Milwaukee.

should be able to clean up its lead problems at Milwaukee Public Schools with no help from the federal government.

Quote, this is not a new problem, they've known about it.

I don't have a great deal of faith in the federal government, so this is something I think that Milwaukee, that Wisconsin, ought to be able to handle by itself.

Unquote, this was when Senator Johnson stopped by the Milwaukee Press Club event yesterday that was held at the newsroom in downtown Milwaukee.

Okay Fine you think we know you hate Milwaukee.

It's full of all those

non

real fond of Wisconsin either It's well, that's my point is that okay Allow that to happen Milwaukee.

Great.

We know that you hate Milwaukee MS and cuz it's full of a bunch of not you people But it is a problem all over the state.

Yes, so

Does the rest of the state have to suffer because you are inherently prejudiced towards big cities who hate you?

Well, it's Wisconsin ought to be able to handle it

by itself.

Milwaukee and Wisconsin ought to be able to

handle it by themselves.

You heard almost rural areas, you know, you're flush with cash

in your, in your,

in your unincorporated, your village, your town and city

halls.

You can't get, you can't get enough people to fulfill your EMTs.

Nope.

We don't have enough childcare.

There's the list of shutting down hospitals, shutting down hospitals, but all of us should be able to step up and fix these lead problems all across the state, according to Ron Johnson.

I have very little faith in the federal government, the place that gives you your paycheck every single

and

his

lifetime health coverage.

And your lifetime health coverage, that has enriched you twofold, if not more.

He's done quite

well.

He's done quite well.

He is an embarrassment of a human.

And every time you say, senior senator, I get a pain in my chest because it's like, that's the guy who has the seniority in the state.

Not Tammy Baldwin, who's brought in literally

billions of dollars.

And that's not a, that's not a, that's not just me speaking on a turn.

That's not pulling a number out of my tukas.

It is fact, tracked and true billions of dollars for this state, for all people, regardless of who voted for all of us in Wisconsin, but this guy who thinks 9 11 should be reinvestigated gets to have a say in anything.

Milwaukee officials, of course, had asked the CDC,

For help in cleaning up these lead issues, we have a whole bunch of schools that had to shut down because of lead problems.

Their request was denied due to mass layoffs of federal health workers and email from the CDC at the time cited the complete loss of the CDC's lead poisoning prevention branch.

Ron Johnson, though, questioned why we need the CDC at all.

Is there really some secret expertise the federal government has inside CDC?

I doubt it.

I just doubt it.

I mean we've known about this clean it up.

There you go Boom done.

Oh There's more Okay, there's more

so angry

Senator Johnson told reporters he believes many childhood illnesses including measles Have been eradicated

through better hygiene and sanitation, not just vaccines, measles, through better hygiene and sanitation, not just vaccines.

I'm drawing a blank.

Where did he go to medical school?

He did

not go to medical school.

Oh, he's not a doctor.

He is not a doctor, but he he feels.

apparently pretty confident in making these pronouncements.

So just folks, if you don't want the measles, scrub those hands just a little bit longer, you'll be fine according to not a doctor, Ron

Johnson.

Quote, I'm not denying vaccines didn't help eradicate some of these things, but we really improved public health and improved sanitation, unquote.

Johnson says more effort should be placed on treatment, not vaccines.

So does that mean get the disease and then we'll treat it?

I thought prevention was always better.

It is always better.

It costs you less as a person.

You hopefully will not get the virus or the illness.

And also it means that we won't be one less person has to go to the hospital.

And if that person can't pay for that hospital hospital bill.

it's less cost that's pushed onto other people.

The prevention prevents so many things besides just the illness, it prevents a maybe a mountain of debt that maybe rising costs in healthcare.

I mean, it is, this is borderline irresponsible.

This is like, to me, like this is the kind of thing that someone says is in public can be held accountable because individuals will say, well,

I took two baths a day, so why do I have the measles now?

Ron Johnson, and he's a senator.

Oh, I can think of it.

Aren't we glad he wasn't around during the Black Death or the, you know, the Black Plague?

Smallpox outbreaks.

He'd most likely be, he'd most likely say in that situation, well, it gets rid of those who just aren't clean enough.

John from Oshkosh texting in, listening into WISS.

The dude also thinks mouthwash cures COVID, so yeah, we can take that away.

He also appeared at the Medical College of Wisconsin.

Yes.

And we have a little insider from someone who is there.

Yes.

At the event itself.

At the event itself.

Yes.

At the Medical College of Wisconsin.

Ron Johnson essentially telling leaders in various medical fields they are wrong and that he knows more and that

Quote, personally for me and a lot of people, I know we no longer trust doctors, unquote.

Apparently he got a little pushback from that, from the medical, during his appearance at the medical college.

He is the one who has been casting aspersions on the medical community.

So gee, I wonder why people don't trust doctors.

Don't tell me, wait, it'll come to me.

Oh, because you've been telling him not to

trust doctors.

people like Joe Rogan and other podcasters and other politicians and other influencers and other bad doctors looking at you, Dr Oz been saying things like this and influencing people because from the do your own research crowd, their research consists of listening to one guy who has no training saying, well, just wash your hands more.

You're fine.

And as I always say, as I've said so many times lately, if you disagree with us, if you think Ron Johnson is correct, fine.

Send us the proof you have.

Send us the studies.

Send us the experts who are speaking on this, who have influenced Ron Johnson and his ilk to say these things.

Then we'll talk.

But until then, don't just call us the arbiters of liberal trash.

Oh, please.

He says, he cites anecdotal evidence.

A story.

That Ivermectin is an effective cure for COVID despite pushback from experts.

When COVID broke out and I was working in a news department at a different radio station, and I've talked about this before, I did numerous interviews with veterinarians, poison control experts, other experts.

Don't take Ivermectin.

It's a horse to warmer.

When that was becoming all the rage.

And people were spreading their, their dis and misinformation about that non-COVID vaccination.

There was a thing, and I'm not kidding you, and this sounds funny, but it's actually deadly serious.

There was a thing at Farm & Fleet.

They sell ivermectin.

And in order to get it, you had to provide a picture of you and your horse.

They would not sell it to you otherwise.

What does that say about this miracle, not a drug?

Again, you disagree with us.

Provide the proof to make it make sense, and we'll

talk.

Well, we're going to talk.

Since, apparently, Senator Ron Johnson has so much faith in Bob Kennedy Jr., when we return and bill from a kind of walk, I see you there.

We will take you first thing when we come back.

There's a new study out.

promoted by Robert Kennedy Jr., our head of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Couple little things in this report that are little eyebrow-raising, so we'll talk about that.

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Well, you know hats off to Ron Johnson when he and his

cronies managed COVID, we were picking up cadavers or bodies, corpses in a refrigerated semi truck.

When it was all over, we were 14th, I believe you could have to check it out.

I want this reference in the world for handling COVID.

Male clinic, the finest in the world recommended COVID shots, but Jesse Waters,

Ron Johnson and all those other clods thought, well, we ought to treat you like a horse.

They have no honesty.

They have no integrity.

They coddle a felon and they say they're for law and order.

Enough is enough.

I think Americans should refuse to pay taxes till the felon leaves office.

We could put a hold on him like you can't believe.

Cheating on your taxes, though, Bill, that really only works if you are a manga supporter.

Yeah, you get pardoned

immediately.

Yeah, you get pardoned immediately.

So, you know, if you want to commit tax crimes, it's cool.

Just make a donation to the Trump administration, the Trump PAC, or whatever.

And you'll be good to go.

Thank you, Bill.

Really appreciate you checking in.

Yeah, Ron Johnson and his medical expertise and then saying, at the Medical College of Wisconsin yesterday, nobody trusts doctors in telling the audience, and it's your fault.

which is amazing.

He doesn't want us, though, to trust Robert Kennedy Jr.

Why not?

He's also not a doctor.

The head of Health and Human Services, and this is widely being shared this morning.

The MAHA, Make America Healthy Again report, cites studies that don't exist.

The Trump administration's Make America Healthy Again report,

misinterpret some studies and cite others that do not exist.

Epidemiologist Catherine Keyes is listed in the report as the author of a study on anxiety in children when notice, which reports on this reached out to her.

She said she was surprised to hear of the citation.

She does study mental health and substance abuse.

She did not write the paper.

listed in this report that lists her as the author.

Quote, the paper cited is not a real paper that I or my colleagues were involved with.

We've certainly done research on this topic but did not publish a paper in the JAMA pediatrics on this topic with that co-author group or with that title, unquote.

It's unclear if anybody actually did write that study that is in the latest MAHA report.

Maybe they just turned it over to AI

well, I mean it was like his is his testimony in front of the Senate he He thought that led the lead Program was still in place, but he didn't know

because he

doesn't sure so my guess is that he was it wasn't Involved in this report a whole

lot, but I just feel again

They're making the assumption that no one is going to read this report.

Why do you think they're all Republicans who don't read the budget bill?

Come on.

There might be a couple people who are going to read the report.

And then look to see if the studies that they cited are actually real.

Details, people.

It's little tiny details.

Tiny little things.

Why

are people researching things?

They only said, oh, do your own research.

And then they do the research.

And then they get mad about it.

Seven out of ten, you said.

Reports.

Seven out of ten.

Yeah.

Don't exist.

And Wisconsin, Milwaukee and Wisconsin, we need to step up and just take care of these lead problems in our states, in our cities, ourselves.

And that also, according to our senior senator, is our fault because we knew this was a problem and we let it go this long.

but don't worry folks things like you know the measles and all the other things just take a take a little extra time in that shower get

some light get some

sunshine hey man like i don't know like the the president a few years ago talked about bleach i don't i'm not a doctor but who knows it could help it doesn't trust me please don't do it

and and there are also concerns now because they are changing the recommendations for who should get the covid vaccine and they are

eliminating pregnant women and young children from this.

And that's raising big concerns too.

Eventually it's just gonna come out as you can take the COVID vaccination, but we're not gonna recommend it or say you shouldn't.

It's just on you, of all people of all ages.

I just know that I am fully confident in the people who told me that if I got the COVID vaccine, I would become magnetic, because that's what some of them claimed.

It was all over TikTok.

I've been throwing paper clips at you for years now.

I know, and I'm still waiting.

But don't worry, I still trust their medical knowledge completely.

Nancy from Wausau, real quickly, we're up against the break.

Nancy, thanks for joining us.

What did you want to say?

Oh, I just wanted to take it a step back to where you were talking about the lead pipes.

You know, there was a bill that was voted on yesterday, so I didn't hear what the outcome was.

But where they want to take the funding,

public money and use it to pay private entities to take care of this lead abatement.

And I'm thinking of like cities like Superior, where everything they have is privatized and look what their water bills are.

I mean, is that what the rest of us want?

They kind of want to privatize everything, Nancy.

There's money to be made.

Come on, there's money to be made.

Who needs things done for the public good?

Come on.

We have news coming up next.

Thank you, Nancy.

When we return...

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Throw another paper club at me, man.

Maybe this time of this week.

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From 9 until 11, good morning, Jim.

Thanks for joining us.

Jane, Greg, always a pleasure.

A few things to talk about, including, oh, for example, the fact that apparently we're being urged by our leaders as you were just talking, not to trust the people who know stuff.

Exactly.

Why would we trust experts, Jim?

I know when I'm going for like dental surgery, I always go to the guy who plasters my walls.

That's just, you know, that's what you do.

And if you need that light infusion therapy, perhaps, or as you're just indicating, some medicine that we give to horses, give that a shot.

Give that a shot.

I always think.

A lawyer told me to do that.

Right there you go.

Yes.

Yes.

I always think to this day about those horrific images every doctor Deborah Birx sitting there on the side of the press conferences, which we're entertaining every single day, but entertaining for all the wrong reasons horrified looking on horrified as the president Advocated for these various things just unbelievable that it continues now all these your late usually years later And as you said our health and human services secretary not a doctor

The only significant thing you said recently is maybe you shouldn't take advice from me.

Yes, yes, RFK will follow that.

Exactly.

Everything else, not so much, not so much.

Yeah, it really is kind of remarkable.

And going back to Wisconsin Senior Senator Ron Johnson at the Medical College of Wisconsin yesterday, telling a group of health professionals, you are the reason that people don't trust doctors.

It would be laughable if it were not so serious.

Right.

Did you see the sign out front?

They're at the research area there with Frater.

It says Medical College of Wisconsin.

We train doctors here.

A little bit more close to home.

I know I sent you a note about this.

My sister Susan, who graduated from the Medical College of Wisconsin many years ago, a practicing anesthesiologist.

I can't keep her off my text line on a regular basis.

She is consistent every day.

Guess what they're saying now.

And this is just the latest.

She is especially, again, focused upon these statements by not only Ron Johnson appearing at her alma mater, but also, again, our Health and Human Service Secretary.

Again, withdrawing from the CDC authorization, as you indicated right before the break, the notion that

pregnant women and young children should get the COVID vaccine.

Susan, again, like other reasonable, rational, medical people out there saying, no, no, no, this is a proven, established way of keeping us all safe and secure, reckless beyond belief that doesn't begin to address it.

Susan believes, again, as do many others, that this is going to kill.

many people in our nation.

It is so wildly irresponsible.

Well, and that's the question I posed in our chat beforehand.

And I know this is a much deeper question with lots of nuance.

And I'm sure many appeals have it ever happened.

But at what point does the First Amendment not cover such speech that causes actual harm that is evidentiary in there to say like, like,

These individuals said this, these people did that and now they are permanently injured, they are sick or they have died because of it.

Are there repercussions on the legal sense for these types of things or is it simply just a very deep first amendment argument where like no one's really going to take it on to say like, well, I can't tell you what to say because that's the constitution.

I mean, I don't know.

As we've always said, there is no right, no right in America, even the First Amendment, that it is unconditional, right?

We saw that on January 6th, a president cannot, should have been held responsible for his speech that day that undeniably incited riot.

People killed that day, injured that day.

This is admittedly pushing the envelope a bit, but I don't say that to indicate that there's no there there.

This is the kind of thing and cause and effect, Greg, is what you're talking about.

I say something.

I entice, I encourage people to engage in behavior that is contrary to their own best medical interests and those of others.

The advocacy is out there.

I can show damages as a direct result of what I have said.

And again, this is what lawyers and courts

wrestle with all the time.

What are the limits of First Amendment protections when in fact you are quite literally now killing people or endangering their health and security?

I would not be at all surprised if at some point we see this litigation from the family of a young measles victim, others out there who say, I relied upon my government to tell me accurately what is going on here.

I suffered this, the ultimate harm, and I am seeking damages based upon the First Amendment.

Their exercise of their, I'll say with a right with a very small r,

their use of the First Amendment that caused great harm.

It is a theory that is not at all frivolous.

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Plethora.

Good word, right?

I'm gonna use that more often.

We wanted to switch over to something I did mention before you joined us, Jim.

This latest report from

Aha, make America healthy again, which cites several studies that don't exist.

And I go back to, I just feel like there is one party that just assumes no one's going to read this whole thing.

So don't worry about it.

If they don't exist, we're going to put it in there.

Nobody's going to catch it.

Who's going to read it?

That's kind of the same way I think that they're looking at this budget bill because hidden in this budget bill that's going to make

life so good for all of us, especially if you're really, really rich.

It's going to be beautiful, Jane.

It's beautiful.

Yes, I've heard it's going to be

just fabulous.

There is a little thing stuck in this budget bill that would severely restrict the federal court's authority to hold government officials in contempt if they violate judicial orders.

So can you make that make sense, please?

I wish desperately that I could make it make sense, right?

We'd all like to be able to do that.

The answer is, once again, this is to try to push back on, I think it's about 170 so far, issuance by federal district court judges, orders saying, Mr. President, you can't do that, unconstitutional, can't do all kinds of things, can't shut down, Department of Education, can't stop USAID, can't have access to Social Security, IRS records, it goes on.

We've talked about those in the past.

And the answer

especially when it comes to the deportation issue, of course, in front of at least three judges now, one in Boston, one in Maryland, one in DC, who are saying, get these people back or afford them due process.

And beyond that, I need to know what's going on.

This has been going on since March 15th.

And the answer has been from your government, from my Department of Justice, our administration, no.

We're not going to do that.

And so these judges, appropriately, frankly, they've got incredible patience, are threatening to find somebody somewhere in contempt.

They're asking, who is making these decisions?

And even there, the attorneys there are saying, well, we're not sure who that is.

And this is an attempt, plainly, this piece, among others, plainly an attempt to cut the wings, to clip the wings of those judges to say there are no circumstances under which you can enforce your own request, legitimate request, as a part of your jurisdiction established by the Constitution to ensure that the people following, including the government, follow what you say.

It is outrageous.

It is inexplicable in answer to your question.

It is contrary to I brought along for what it's worth for those who are watching online.

This is my code of federal, federal civil rules.

Oh, nice easy read there, Jim.

Got a show and tell here today as well.

It's just chalked through this notion that judges have got to have the authority to enforce their own orders.

If this passes, again, not just for one side of the political aisle, be careful what you ask for too, right?

If you're going in, if the government at some point, the president wants to go in and ask for, oh, I don't know, Jim Santel, to be quieted from appearing in various things.

And again, that doesn't happen.

All these things can apply in all directions, right?

And so that's the other concern about this.

The bigger one is, once again, it's simply an attempt to stop

the legitimate and reasonable actions of judges around the country who are within a hair's breadth of saying Donald Trump, Attorney General Bondi, others, Kristi Noem, I'm going to find you in contempt.

I may sanction you with fines.

I might jail you because you are so so contemptuous of my orders and they've got the ability and the responsibility to do that.

It is outrageous.

And again, all your listeners, I know they are outraged by this.

And as somebody who practiced in the federal courts who invoked these kinds of things, not the contempt so often, but other things just to ensure that injunctive orders can be enforced, which is another aspect that they're attacking in this bill.

All of that is central to our rule of law and the way that courts work every single day.

Federal courts, state courts, even municipal courts entering injunctions, telling people frankly what to do based upon evidence.

This is the United States Congress with the encouragement or a president saying once again, federal judges, state judges, who are you?

What are you doing?

I don't have to listen to you.

What are you talking about?

No, no, we're not doing that.

And oh, by the way, now we've got legislation says we don't need to follow what you are saying.

It is, again, rule of law eliminated.

We are so far beyond a constitutional crisis.

This is just the next step down whatever happens next.

Again, just to reiterate that if this goes through, essentially the Trump administration cannot be held accountable by our courts.

Correct.

That's correct.

That is correct.

Exactly.

There's this companion piece that also requires mandates to judges before they even enter the orders in the first place, place of bond.

There's a provisions rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

But this notion that number one, you're stripping the judges of the capacity.

to do anything in this area, to enter orders, to tell people based upon the evidence.

And again, all your listeners appreciate this.

These are not judges out there just reading headlines and saying, oh, that's gotta stop.

We've talked about this at great length.

These are judges who are having preliminary hearings, evidence is coming in.

They've scheduled trials down the road to ensure that there is support for all of us.

This is routine due process practice.

We've talked about that at great length.

And these are all attempts to say, number one, don't do any of that.

And number two, if you still go down that road, who are you once again?

As our attorney general has said, these out of control, errant judges, unelected judges.

Well, Pam Bondi, all federal judges are unelected.

And it's simply an attempt to ensure that the president has this authoritarian approach and that the branch of government through judiciary

no longer is effective in any significant way.

That's what they're voting on right now in the Congress.

I just want to share this to Representative Mike Flood of Nebraska was at a town hall meeting recently, asked specifically about this provision that essentially makes the courts neutered.

As far as holding the Trump administration accountable for everything, here's what he said, quote, I do not agree with the section that was added to the bill.

I do believe the federal courts, when issuing an injunction, it should have legal effect, unquote.

He essentially admitted he had not read the bill, didn't know it was in there.

But now that he was made aware of it, now he's going to now,

now

he's going to do

something.

Now, now we're afraid of it.

Again, admittedly, a thousand, thousand pages.

All the more reason why Mike Johnson should not have shoved this through so quickly.

so people like that representative can go home and spend the night.

Yes, pull in all nighter, read through all of this, Congressman, and then come back and decide whether you want to vote for it, shove through in a way that no human being could possibly digest at all.

This guy, also irresponsible in terms of his representation.

I don't know, you're making $174,000 a year.

I think you should be able to read the full report.

We're going to continue our conversation with Jim Santel on the other side.

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We don't have a whole lot of time left, Jim, but I did want to talk about

Donald Trump had an executive order targeting a specific law firm, Wilmer Hale.

Essentially, he didn't like them because they represented people he did not like, right?

I mean, that's what it comes down

to.

It is, and all of these things, Wilmer Hale, Perkins Coey, even those folks who are...

abiding by what the president wants to do.

All of them, Jenner and Block, the others, Paul Weiss, all of them because of two things.

One is they've represented clients who the president thinks are his adversaries.

There's foes out there, so gotta stop them from doing that.

Or secondarily, also advocating in litigation for positions that he's not supporting.

What it could be with respect to these executive orders of the things

And what has happened, Jane, as you just noted accurately, this is Wilmer Hale.

This is one of the law firms that, to their great credit, like Perkins-Goey,

like

others out there, like Jenner, have said, no, Mr. President, we're not going to put up with this.

You have no capacity to do this.

We've got a federal judge who has agreed with that and said, knock it off, Mr. President, not in those words, but has used, has used, as you have noted and others have noted, these exclamation points, right, in his order.

A little

bit.

Yeah, this was a big thing.

All of a sudden I've seen talking heads like, oh my god, this judge do so many exclamation points.

That's unusual.

It is.

It is.

And usually you get very strong statements, as we've seen from other courts.

The exclamation marks are usually reserved to quotes from people, but here you've got a judge who wants to put an exclamation point

on his letter basically to the president to say knock it off and saying we shouldn't be, I shouldn't be so flip about this.

You're violating the constitution when you're doing this.

It's First Amendment stuff.

It's representing clients who have rights under the Sixth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, all kinds of things.

And oh, by the way, you're trouncing on their ability to be commercially active and to go forward and be business people, right?

Law firms.

in many ways have got to be focused on money.

Why?

Because that's how we can provide that representation.

The judge coming back and saying, punctuating his outrage with exclamation points, you can't do this and there's no basis for doing it.

Stop it.

And it is good once again because it joins those other judges who've also done the same thing, telling the White House, William Romo Hale, literally within walking distance of the White House right there in Pennsylvania Avenue, right down the street, a former deputy attorney general.

great fan of his name, David Ogden is there, many other wonderful people, including Bob Mueller, right?

That's one of the reasons why

this

this firm gets attention, right?

They're right there.

And he says, you know what, those folks right down the street, let's stop them from doing this.

That old district court judge once again, saying no, you can't do it.

will almost certainly be a are to the the circuit cour at some point, this issue m all the other hundreds of the Supreme Court, you w that the lawyers there, th also appreciate, including

It is just another day in America, unfortunately.

Don't anybody believe, don't anybody believe that there's merit to these or the other executive orders, and they're dangerous too.

They're

not just,

this is RFK telling us how to abide by medical provisions and that sort of thing.

This is dangerous because it shuts down the lawyers that we talked before.

I love a good lawyer joke.

Lawyers are right now also, however, the ones who are like judges and like you in the media.

Also the fourth estate,

pushing back on this, you get rid of lawyers, and then you've really got an authoritarian regime here, which is probably what's in existence right down the street from Wilmer Hale Waffer.

Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jim, but it is fundamental to our democracy that even the worst person accused of the most heinous crimes is still allowed to have representation.

They get to have someone represent them, right?

Absolutely.

Once again, the Supreme Court has said many, many years ago that when you are charged in this country, again, citizen or non-citizen, that's the other underlying notion here.

You are entitled constitutionally to representation.

Got to be felony cases, criminal cases.

That's Gideon versus Wainwright.

We all learned that one way back in sixth grade.

Calvin writes about it all the time.

You're sending me

notes.

Can't shut him up about that.

I'm telling you, Jim.

Gideon, Gideon, Gideon.

But the point, of course, is that was back in this.

60s, I think.

And now we're basically trouncing on that.

absolute right to representation, and again, even in the civil side of things, although there's no constitutional right, an awful lot of people who think there should be.

For meritorious claims against government, against private parties, we want people to understand a system that is not intuitive.

I practice in it every day.

I get that completely.

Clients should not have to understand how lawyers work, how judges work, and that's why you depend upon lawyers to represent them effectively, sometimes winning, sometimes losing.

Representation is the key, as you have just said, Jane.

Absolutely.

Listen to his show on Saturdays from 9 to 11 across the network.

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Thank you so much, Jim.

Always appreciate your time.

It's always my great pleasure, my friends.

Have a good week.

You as well.

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What's he going to do?

Elon Musk from the BBC leaving the White House.

Oh, we hardly knew the E.

But Doge will continue.

Oh, darn

it.

Elon Musk says he's leaving the Trump administration after leading Doge to slash the size of the US government and cut thousands and thousands of federal jobs in a post on what used to be Twitter.

Elon thanked Trump for the opportunity to run Doge.

They started offboarding him as a special government employee.

on Wednesday night.

He's not necessarily leaving on the best of notes because he has criticized the budget bill that was just passed by the house, which is kind of unusual for him.

He says he's disappointed with the budget bill, which proposes multi trillion dollar tax breaks for the wealthy and a boost to defense spending.

But we thought we just spent a little time on suggesting that hobbies that Elon could look into.

He needs something to do.

I mean, I know he's got SpaceX and I know he's got Tesla and all those things that he'll go back to ruining but in the interim He's got dime on his hands

absolutely and and and I also want to make sure that we You know a lot of people when they leave a job or a project They want to have a legacy and I want to make sure we preserve his legacy and his work with those which was doing next to nothing

if not completely ruining many departments, many lives, many lives, really saving no money whatsoever.

No,

he really hasn't.

And the long list of frauds who have been def...

defaulting our government for criminals.

We're waiting for all these trials to start because fraud is a crime.

So if you found all these instances of fraud, I would think these people would be brought to justice.

Don't let Elon put the chainsaw down, take off his hat, salute the camera and walk off into the sunset.

No, remember that what he has done to this country is irreparable and if it is going to be fixed it will take a long time, but you're right He's leaving.

He's leaving the government.

We got to get him a parting gift.

Maybe a nice watch And and then a list of things he can do with his time.

Yeah eight five five seven five two four eight four two That's eight five five seven five civic.

What's a good hobby?

For Elon Musk to pick up, now that he is leaving the government, 8-5-5, 7-5-Civic, 8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, hobbies for Elon.

Well, one thing I really thought of was like, he's a business man.

He's a big, beautiful, big brain business man.

The

super genius Tony Stark of the modern day.

When you have a business, like one of the things you want to do is expand.

So I thought maybe, like, Doge Venezuela.

Doge Russia.

Just putting

Doge, expanding the

Doge brand to a global sensation to really take that chainsaw to a worldwide platform and slash and burn all of their budgets.

Because all the work he's doing, why not just keep going?

See, I think he needs something outside of business to occupy his mind.

You know, we all need something to get us out of the daily grind, whatever.

I like watching birds.

This makes me happy.

This gives me, you know, joy.

So that's what I do.

But I'm thinking, because I was thinking about some of the things I used to do as a kid, when we would go to summer school, Decapage.

Oh, Decap.

Oh, Decapage.

It's not, I mean,

Nobody talks about Decapage anymore get him a can of hodgepodge and just be

like

hey and a favorite picture of one of his 47 children and he can put it on a nice piece of wood and then Shine it up and hang it

and you don't even have to put the name of the mom because I know you don't remember just put mother I think oh my gosh, I could see Elon doing Decapage now he is He's the richest man on earth.

He is by by stock standards.

I don't

Well, he's worth a lot on paper.

Yeah, exactly ones and zeros.

He's flush with cash So maybe he needs to up that game maybe and he can call a former senator of Utah Mitt Romney about this dressage Oh the fancy horse thing the art of fancy horse dance.

I wish I had like a clip-clop sound right now, but just like, you know

I like the art of fancied horse dance.

Good reason to watch the live stream.

Thank you very much.

Can you do that once more?

Nice.

That was kind

of

a flamenco.

Yeah, exactly.

I like that.

Dursage, I think, would be a good thing.

He can't be afraid of horses, though.

It would be self-driving horses, though.

It would be like they'd be doing the Dursage on there.

There'd be nobody actually on the horses.

It would just be like, and they're like, oh my gosh, it's like Tesla

horses.

Casper from Madison listening on WAUK says Elon should go into lumberjacking.

Not a terrible idea.

I

would pay money to see him try to lumberjack.

He loves chainsaws.

He does love, he does love chainsaws.

Loves

chainsaws.

So he might just be, that might be just a natural for him.

I agree.

A

listener on GBW says, how about teaching himself empathy?

That's a long course.

That's going to be a really, really, really long course.

We

don't have that kind of time on our hands.

He should take up ballooning.

He has enough hot air to fly around the world all by himself.

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We're looking out for Elon, just suggesting some hobbies he could pick up now that he's leaving the Trump administration at the same time.

Texas Senator Ted Cruz, who should know about this, Ted Cruz begs Americans to stop being so nasty to Elon Musk.

Oh, stop being so mean to my Elon friend.

There are people who have been in government who have called Ted Cruz terrible things.

Some of them are his kids.

What?

people who have roomed with him, people who have worked with him.

So Ted Cruz knows what it's like to not be liked.

I guess is my point.

Currently right now, celebrating his like 3,000th day of not being liked.

He's an expert in this field.

Ted Cruz is shocked by the backlash against Doge and Elon Musk, saying instead Americans should be expressing deep gratitude and chanting, thank you, thank you, thank you.

No,

no, I don't think

so.

That's that's weird.

That's like seeing your teacher show up to party me like, hey kids, hey, fellow kids, let's party.

Don't tell us what to do.

Just leave us alone.

Ted Cruz, go to go to Florida, go to Cancun, do

something

else.

Don't come back.

Don't come back.

Ted Cruz says Elon came and spent four months working for the American people free of charge, didn't collect a salary.

made nothing.

Okay, just a couple little side notes to that.

Are you allowed to do your own research?

I might do a little of my own research.

Elon has made billions and billions in government contracts.

Yes.

Yes.

Lots and lots and lots of

money.

Between SpaceX and Starlink alone, yes.

He's made so much money.

Donald Trump had a used car lot on the White House lawn for Elon Musk's Teslas.

It's pronounced Teslas.

that too.

But he made nothing.

He didn't collect a salary.

There was no, no return for Elon in this at all.

It's not like the Trump administration is going to other governments and saying, let's make a deal on tariffs.

And oh, by the way, you have to use X's AI.

Yeah, in order to get this deal done.

That's not happening at

all.

This is like when people say, well, Donald Trump's a good man.

He didn't take, he doesn't take a salary from his presidential job.

Yeah.

Because he doesn't have to.

That's not making me like cry patriotic tears for him.

It's, Elon has enriched himself.

Big time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's, while technically, while true, what Ted is saying, as far as he didn't collect a

government issued

paycheck.

That paycheck pales a comparison many thousands of times over what he has made off our backs And who knows what what who knows what other kickbacks he will get for doge because there's no contract There's no deal there.

There's nothing that is that states to the people here's what doge will do It's just hey, he's gonna come in and you might have a job tomorrow, but we don't know

I gotta go

And we might fire you, and then, I don't know, we might bring you back.

Who knows?

Jeff from Caledonia gets the last word on this, trying to come up with hobbies for Elan to spend a little time on.

How about raising chickens?

There you go.

Why not?

I mean, he'll raise the best chickens.

He'll raise the absolute greatest chickens in the world.

They'll be the

smartest chickens.

And

then you can put them, maybe have a chicken taco, taco, taco reference, because they're all cowards.

All right.

That went over well.

I am a funny person.

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Civic Media's multi-award-winning meteorologist, Brittany Merleau, is here.

Good morning, Brittany.

How you doing?

Good morning.

I'm doing fantastic.

How are you guys?

We are wonderful.

I thought the weather over the weekend, that was perfect.

For me, I would say a little, okay, seven degrees warmer would have been a little, I know.

I love how you did

that.

It was perfect.

Not perfect.

Except for the seven degrees.

It could have been just a scooch because the wind was still cold.

But this is the time of year when we can still sit outside.

There are no bugs.

And but it's going to be warming up because I know there are a lot of folks who are looking for warmer weather.

Yeah, those people who want that summer, that heat, that humidity, that Florida weather to get here to Wisconsin.

Well, it's on its way.

It's coming.

Your wish.

So what what are we expecting?

What's when's that going to happen?

Yeah, so we're already looking at today a little bit warmer.

We're going to get even better by tomorrow.

We're going to be in the mid 70s all across the state.

We'll put that on repeat for Saturday.

Now, we do have chances of some scattered showers and storms popping up because with the summer weather, that's usually the case right in those afternoon hours.

So that's possible today, tomorrow, smaller chances on Saturday, possibly Saturday, but then that heat and humidity really starts to seep in.

You're going to start to feel it on Sunday.

Dew points are going to hit the mid 60s.

I like to describe dew points with moisture in the air, right?

So 50s feels fine.

60s is getting sticky.

70s is uncomfortable for most people.

We're

melting.

Yes.

What's

the word you like to use?

You like to use a certain word when the dew point gets real bad.

Oh,

do I?

Moist, sticky, terrible, gross.

I don't know.

Oppressive.

Oppressive, yes.

Like you walk

outside and you're

like, oh.

But you can really tell the difference when you go from a dew point in the 50s to

the upper

60s.

You can.

Yeah.

It just, the air feels thicker.

Yeah.

It sure does.

And you start to sweat sooner than you'd think because the air around you is moist.

So that's why we're not cooling off as fast when these dew points get as high.

So we're going to start to see that Sunday, probably West in the state, Monday for sure, South in the state.

Tuesday widespread and areas south are going to start to hit those 70 degree dew points.

Finally, the cold front pushes through on Wednesday, but it's going to bring some heavy rainfall chances for storms.

I mean, we're looking at one to three inches of rain possible Wednesday.

Wow.

Where exactly in the state will that like the major accumulation of rain be happening?

Is that statewide or is that one particular region?

statewide, one inch for sure.

Three inches right now looks to target more north central, but of course that can change as the storm actually progresses through, but that'll be Wednesday.

So a damp, dark dreary Wednesday rain going through, temperatures fall back down to the 60s, but we do rebound right after that back into those low to mid 70s, creeping into the 80s.

I mean, some places could hit 90.

So it's really cranking up here.

This folks.

This is Wisconsin

it

is if you lived here for more than two years you pressed except on the terms and conditions We shouldn't be shocked be prepared put some shorts in the car because God knows

I'm

parka I'm thinking a parka some shorts and an umbrella who knows but yeah That's the thing is like I'm now starting to think oh God is it now becoming permanent shorts weather for me?

Well, and now I'm thinking about The air conditioning is gonna go on and then it's gonna stay on

Yeah,

or at least I'll have it on from Sunday until Wednesday.

And then Wednesday, it's going to cool off and I'll turn it off.

And then we'll, it's going to be back and forth and back and forth for a little bit.

It sure is.

Yes, it is.

So make sure that AC is working.

If it's not get a fan, have your backup, get those plans ready in place, get a bunch of water in the house too.

If you don't already got to stay super hydrated more than you think when these conditions hit us.

So.

Um, I'm excited though.

Summer is here.

It's the meteorological start on Sunday.

We officially flip the books.

What is it?

The summer solstice is on the 20th, the longest day of the year, the most sunlight.

I'm enjoying the longer days.

Yeah.

Brittany Merleau is here for a little weather and wine in the time that we have left Brittany.

Let's talk about the, uh, Noah has come out with its hurricane forecast.

Yes, they did.

And it's not looking too good.

No.

Um.

So we're not in an El Niño, so we're not in a La Niña.

We're in this Enzo Neutral pattern, which means the water in the ocean is still super warm, well above average, and the trade winds are weaker.

So hurricanes can form a lot easier because these winds aren't tearing it apart and breaking it up, and it's got the warm water's fuel, and they came out with the fact that the monsoon season over in Africa is going to be higher.

That's where the hurricanes start.

Wow.

Storms are going to be firing up off of Africa, moving into that zone, building, brewing, and of course, chances for us much, much, much more higher.

So they're going with a 60 percent chance of above normal season.

They're thinking about 13 to 19 named storms, which means winds of about 39 mile per hour plus.

Of those six to 10, they think are going to become hurricanes with 74 mile per hour winds are stronger and about three to five major hurricanes.

Category three, four, five, with 111 plus wins.

And they have about a 70% confidence with this forecast.

Is this an increase from last year?

Do you know?

I think it's like a storm or two increase, but it's pretty much on par with what we've seen before last year.

So to have it a little bit more increased this year, makes sense with those weaker wins and the trade wins.

Well, I have.

I feel for those folks who are in the line of these things.

And even when I think about Western North Carolina, which is not in the, in the track of a hurricane and they got creamed because there are other ramifications from these storms when they hit landfall.

So hopefully everybody's going to start prepping for this.

Well, and

one of the things

you said

before we go, Brittany, is that as the climate changes, the trajectory of things change, Wisconsin's becoming more and more part of tornado alley.

These natural disasters are taking different directions.

So.

It's not to sound callous or cold, but this is something we're going to have to become used to is at least the

unpredictability.