Memorial Day Best Of Episode (Hour 2)

Good morning, everyone.

It's Greg from Matt and air on air, and we're taking Memorial Day off to observe and remember those who gave the greatest sacrifice for our country.

But just because we have today off doesn't mean we don't have a show for you.

So what we've done is we've curated a best of episode with all of our favorite segments from the past few weeks, some great interviews, some wonderful discussions on news, as well as audio sorbet.

And this shouldn't be a thing.

So we think we have something great for this holiday for you.

And we hope you enjoy it.

Stay safe and we'll see you back on Tuesday 9 a.m.

to 11 a.m.

on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Enjoy.

And Calvin Butenoff coming to you live from our studio here at Radio Park in Racine.

Right after the 9 30 news, our friend and colleague and host of the Todd Alba show from two to four across the civic media network.

Todd Alba will be joining us after the 10 o'clock news.

Hour number two, Tracy Morgan Hernke has a gluten free bakery in Milwaukee.

And we're going to be talking about tariffs.

And in particular, she's a small business owner, and we've talked before about small businesses are having a tough time dealing not only with the uncertainty, but now the hike in the tariffs and how that is affecting their business and just supply chains and all that stuff.

So Tracy's gonna be joining us around 1006 at 1035.

It's a segment we call Audio Sorbet, where we take a little break from the news.

Thank you, Calvin.

It's like ear cleansing as a word.

Get away from politics.

So today at 1030, they're out with the list of the most popular names in America, boys and girls names.

So we're going to talk about those.

And then we want to know what do you wish you had been named?

Yeah.

I think there's a lot of people who aren't necessarily, you come to just deal with it after.

a certain amount of time after a certain age.

But I know as a kid, I really wanted a different name.

And it's not just like a regular, like, you know, like, oh, my name is Frank, I'd rather be Steve.

If you want to be like, you know, Zorba Frankenstein, that go for, we want, we want, like, what, what did you want as a kid name?

I always think of the movie Big Daddy where he, he names himself Frankenstein, the kid does cause he's like, he can name himself

whatever he

wants.

Yeah, anything.

Go for it.

Just be FCC compliant.

So that will be at 1035.

And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with a segment called This Shouldn't Be a Thing.

Today it's the Kitty Gotta Grill edition.

You want to stick around for that.

And as always, if you have a thing you think should not be, send it in to Greg and me at janesaysatcivicmedia.us.

To start off with though, I thought we would

Kick it off with Wisconsin residents, Sean Duffy from the Department of the Dog ate my homework.

We don't know what happened.

Who's fault is it now?

It's somebody else's fault.

It's just not my fault.

It's not this administration's fault.

It's got to be somebody else's fault.

Sean Duffy, of course.

in the news as the head of the Department of Transportation.

There have been problems at the Newark Airport that we're going to get to in just a second.

I did want to mention this very briefly.

There was a really serious fire at an apartment complex in Milwaukee within the last couple of days.

About 100 residents were displaced.

Five people have died in this fire.

And now these 100 folks are staying in a temporary shelter and they're being helped out by the Red Cross.

Wonderful.

So if you would like to do something to assist, you can always

donate to the Red Cross.

Get in touch with them.

Maybe there's something else that you can do.

But contact the local Red Cross after this big fire at the Highland Court Apartments in Milwaukee.

Now, again, 100 residents in temporary shelter.

They lost, they've lost everything.

I know it's not completely applicable, but this is just always a good time.

Whenever you talk about the Red Cross, we talk about things that are happening, tragedies for people.

There's never not a good time to give blood, make an appointment.

Go out, just take an hour of your time, give blood, it helps so much, there always a need.

Yes.

And we'll put a link to the Red Cross in there, in our show notes as well.

You can always find our show notes at civicmedia.us, click on shows, go to Matt and Air on Air, and there's at least 100 former earlier episodes that you can go back and listen to if you so choose.

But going back to Wisconsin's own Duffster, here is the headline from the independent, Sean Duffy blames Biden for Newark Airport Crisis, but also says it should have been fixed during COVID.

when Trump was in office.

Womp, womp.

This is just so inevitable, it seems.

Yes.

And I guess what bothers me even more, this assumption, I think, that no one's gonna go back and check.

You mean just a calendar?

Yeah, exactly.

Just this, I'm going to say this thing that's a blatant lie, that's blatant BS, and nobody's going to check it, and everyone's just going to swallow it and go on with their day.

Yeah, no.

No.

But the other thing I think about, too, is that it's a classic example of people like Sean Duffy.

However you want to look at him, whether it's, hey, he's a Republican, he's a Trump or he's rich, he's this, he's that.

He's just a guy who doesn't care enough to know when things actually happened or like affect people.

Like if he would, you know, he was staying on brand, he never would have said during COVID.

He would have said, you know, during the Biden administration, they could have fixed this.

We were trying to, we were trying to build back America.

You know what I mean?

Like there are different ways you could focus the blame, but he's, he doesn't care.

So he just said during COVID and that was dumb of him.

I

don't know, maybe

he doesn't actually realize who was in charge

when COVID hit.

Well, that's what I'm talking about.

He really just doesn't care enough to know things.

So he says whatever.

And then he does things like this.

He says just

dumb stuff.

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy on Monday, largely blaming a string of problems at Newark International Airport and the larger issues with our flight, air traffic controllers, all of those things.

On the Biden administration,

But he also accidentally indicted Trump for not doing more.

Here's the quote.

We didn't have to be here.

This did not have to be our story.

Over the last four years, the administration, they knew this was a problem.

And by the way, during COVID, when people weren't flying,

That was a perfect time to fix these problems, unquote.

It would have been a good time to fix these problems.

Yes.

And you know, who was in charge at that time, Donald Trump.

Yeah.

I think that the thing he's going around talking about now is that these are like decades old structures, their equipment is old, they need to be updated.

And that's fine.

That's absolutely fine.

But we're also dealing with an administration that's slashing and burning jobs departments.

So.

And they're not using that money for infrastructure.

They're going to use that money for tax cuts.

So where are they going to get the money?

He is positive that they're going to get the money.

Where are they going to get that money from?

Because if you think about all of the airports, just the major ones, just go, every state has a major airport, pretty much.

Pretty much.

How much do you think it would cost to overhaul all the towers in all the major airports?

And some of them have to, like you, to California, they probably have at least three major airports, if

not more.

So you're talking about

Billions of dollars.

Where's that money gonna come from?

Well, they're gonna raise the debt ceiling to four trillion dollars.

Oh

cool.

That's you know, so all all the problems disappear Yeah, I would really like to find someone I think I'm gonna I'm gonna speak with you know, I want to find someone to take us through the timeline of this all because Yes, I don't doubt that fixes and upgrades can be made, but I also don't remember blackouts

and malfunctions and planes flying in each other and helicopters crashing and people dying over the past even four, five, six years, even during Trump won.

This all seemed to be starting in the past few months.

And that also coincides with them firing a lot of people who work in the airline industry.

So I'd love to know the timeline of all of these things.

So we can, and I don't wanna blame.

I don't, cause I think absolutely we can make the changes and upgrade, but

It just seems too convenient, of course, because that's what they want to do.

It's it's Biden's stock market.

It's Biden's FAA.

Unless it's

good.

Yes.

Unless

it's

good.

1200 points yesterday, folks.

We are the best ever.

We're so good.

America's back.

Airlines and unions have called on the government to do more for decades.

So again, I'm not saying that there's not plenty of blame to go around.

We could we could do this.

We could say the same thing about the immigration problems.

Mm

hmm.

That can has been kicked down the road for decades under both administrations.

Yeah, both sides are to blame for not doing the work that's needed because it's easier to do nothing and bloviate on a podium than it is to actually put your name on a piece of legislation and fight for

it.

And stand up for it, exactly.

Again, airlines and unions have been calling on the government to do more for decades under the Biden administration.

then depart ahead of the Department of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, asked Congress to provide more funding to hire thousands of new air traffic controllers.

Guess what happened?

House Republicans blocked that effort.

And I'm pretty sure when that happened, wasn't Sean Duffy a congressman at the time?

I think he was.

I think he was.

If

he wasn't, I know that there was a similar piece of legislation

that he voted against

and he was also.

a lobbyist for the airline industry,

which I did not know until like over the weekend yet.

Duffster was lobbying for the airline industry

and he wasn't lobbying for our safety or for lower prices or anything like he was looking to deregulate deregulate because they love nothing more than no rules.

Some FAA jobs that were eliminated this from the Associated Press did have direct roles in supporting safety inspectors and airport operations.

Remember when.

Trump 2.0 came in They immediately fired about 400 people from the from the aviation industry Great 400 what

what what a what a move to make America great again?

Absolutely, and then I saw something yesterday that because Duffy and his wife live out east now and she works on Fox Yeah, and he was saying on the one hand Newark is perfectly fine

You can fly in and out of the new work.

No problem.

I know, you know, we're having issues But it's it's all good and then in the same sentence in the next sentence He said however, I did rebook my wife's flight and moved her out of Newark.

Yeah That's not necessarily reassuring.

No, it doesn't give a lot of confidence even though and he also said everything is working fine now He said that and it's just a lot of conflicting messages coming through

I mean, at the end of the day, whoever's in charge, I want them to do the best job and I want them to fix the airports.

If the airports need

to fix them, fix the airport.

Well, but my other concern, and we're just about to go to break, but my other concern is they're going to open the doorway for Elon to take this all over with one of his systems.

It's a mess.

What are we going to do?

Let's give it to Elon.

Elon will fix it.

Elon's on the trip with Trump.

Oh, really?

Overseas, yes.

Oh, I

thought they were breaking

up.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Oh, man.

Maybe he doesn't want him seen around here so much.

But Elon is still very much in the White House.

Yeah.

When we return, speaking of planes, we're going to continue our conversation about flying.

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Good morning, everyone.

It's Greg from Matt and Aaron air and we're taking Memorial Day off to observe and remember those who gave the greatest sacrifice for our country.

But just because we have today off doesn't mean we don't have a show for you.

So what we've done is we've curated a best of episode with all of our favorite segments from the past few weeks, some great interviews, some wonderful discussions on news, as well as audio sorbet.

And this shouldn't be a thing.

So we think we have something great.

for this holiday for you, and we hope you enjoy it.

Stay safe, and we'll see you back on Tuesday, 9am to 11am on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Enjoy!

Good morning.

Welcome.

Welcome to Matt and air on air Jane Matt and air Greg Mach and sweet Calbee on the board coming to you from our studio here at Radio Park in Racine.

You did want to talk about flying since we started off talking about Sean Duffy the head of the Department of Transportation.

And of course, Donald Trump has now accepted a free jumbo jet from the cutter government.

Perfectly normal.

Pam Bondi said it was fine.

Pam Bondi, who by the way...

Oh, yes.

Before she became our attorney general and before she had that office in Florida, Pam Bondi was paid $115,000 a month by the cutter government to lobby for them.

For

what?

Like, I guess...

Ski cutter?

I'm not sure.

I don't know.

She was a lobbyist.

for the Qatar government.

And now they want to give our president a free jumbo jet.

Nothing to see here.

No emoluments clause.

This couldn't possibly be a payoff or a quid pro quo considering that Trump just announced they're going to have a property in Qatar.

No, no, no, they wouldn't ever do

that.

This is just, I mean, once again, Trump fans.

Make it makes how is this okay when the when any other president Bush Bush senior Obama Obama Roosevelt Couldn't accept gifts like this couldn't probably couldn't accept a gift of like even a cheap watch They have to hand it over to the gifts group and so they can register it Archive it as gone.

Yep.

How is this okay?

How is this good?

And it's not free Jane

Let's remember all right.

This is not a free plane because not just the fact it comes with the request and really the demand of influence from this plane because that's how this president works is Influence because you know if he wants my yeti cup I can give that to him and see what it gets me but it's gonna be refurbished to be

an Air Force One plane.

And who would be

paying for that refurbishment?

Don't tell

me.

Let's see here.

We're talking about the refurbishment.

We're talking about the upkeep.

We're talking about all the security.

We're talking about the people who have to work on it, the secret service who have to manage, and the pilots who have to fly it.

That money comes out of the pockets of Donald Trump himself.

I'm kidding.

It's the taxpayer.

Yeah, we would get to pay for those refurbishments.

To

the tune of tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars

over time.

And then after his term ends,

Assuming it ends it's gonna go to his library.

That's what

I heard.

Yeah,

it's

gonna go to his library So we're getting a plane for four years not even like three

and a half

years

not even

for

a decade

That's a different discussion, but yeah, this is just nothing, but I mean it is literally

Like, you know, the elephant in the room?

This is the plane in the room.

This is bribery to the nth degree.

And you cannot make this make sense to me.

You cannot make this.

There isn't a version of this where they say, well, if the government of Qatar give it to the American people, no,

this

is a violation of the Constitution.

One of many.

It's a grift.

It's a grift.

Even, and this is what blows my mind, even Laura Loomer, the hard right activists and Trump whisper.

has spoken out against this.

Laura Loomer.

Folks, it's Tuesday, May 13th, 926 AM.

Write

it

down.

And Jane McNair is about to do something I thought that was never gonna happen in my life.

Jane, how do you feel about Laura Loomer's thoughts?

I agree with her.

Oh my God!

I know, Calvin.

That's exactly how I feel.

Here's her quote.

How are we ever supposed to see the U.S.

under the Trump administration designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization if the U.S.

is now going to accept a $400 million jet from Qatar to fly the U.S.

president and his staff around?

Calling this a stain on his administration, Loomer says, I love President Trump.

I would take a bullet for him.

But I have to call a spade a spade.

We cannot accept a $400 million gift from Jihadists in suits."

Well, I guess I would have toned down a little bit on the homophobia, but I understand the sentiment, and I agree with the fact that just that, even if there was nothing having to do with the Muslim Brotherhood, which maybe speaks to my lack of knowledge of who runs the country, but still, it's a $400 million plane.

Nothing to see here.

Nothing to see here except for the giant plane landing on our collective wallet

Well, and the other thing too now security officials are saying there would be all kinds of issues with going over this plane To make sure I don't know there aren't spying devices on board Well, that just is why would a different country do something like that?

That's what I'm talking about too.

It's it's it's not just the Okay, yeah, so as far as I can tell I just want to look at the bro the Muslim Brotherhood does not run cutter, but

Yeah, that's the thing is when they have an Air Force One built, as far as I remember from those documentaries I watched as a kid, it's built from the ground up, custom made for this country.

They don't just take some TWA playing from 8070, like let's refurbish this puppy and put some, let's put some up.

White walls on

it.

We got a bunch of comments on the text line.

Jack from Merrimack Trump accepts a half a billion dollar flying palace from Cutter.

Can we say four in a monuments time from West Alice?

How is it that the senator who got caught with all those hidden golden bars and had to go to prison?

How is that?

Okay.

Then for Trump and his plane and jumped from West Bend, Hillary Clinton couldn't keep a $475 necklace when she was secretary of state, but Trump can keep a $400 million plane.

And the answer that is.

Yeah, he can.

Apparently so.

Well, we'll see how that shakes out.

We have news coming up next when we come back.

Todd Alba will be here.

Stay close.

You're listening to Matt and Aaron here.

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Good morning, everyone.

It's Greg from Matt and air on air, and we're taking Memorial Day off to observe and remember those who gave the greatest sacrifice for our country.

But just because we have today off doesn't mean we don't have a show for you.

So what we've done is we've curated a best of episode with all of our favorite segments from the past few weeks, some great interviews, including this one with Judge Paul Michelle, who's part of keeping our republics article three coalition, which is a group of nonpartisan judges working to keep our democracy safe.

It's a two part interview.

and we hope you enjoy it.

Good morning.

Welcome.

Welcome to Matt and air on air Jane Matt and air Greg Bach Calvi on the board coming to you from our studio at Radio Park in Racine happy to be joined by our guest.

He is a member of keep our Republic's article three coalition Judge Paul Michelle is here.

Good morning Judge Michelle.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Good morning to you and your listeners Judge.

Can you tell us first of all what

This organization is that you belong with.

What is KIPA Republic's Article 3 coalition and what is your goal?

The coalition has presently 30 retired federal judges as members and the number keeps growing day by day.

Our goal is to help people understand in the

of claims and counterclaims and propaganda, how courts work and what they need to do their job properly, which basically is to not be interfered with so that the judge can decide the case on the law and not on political power plays by anybody.

Essentially, stay out of it and let us do our job, right?

That's a good way to put it.

And of course, the job sometimes involves checking excesses by the Congress or the executive branch.

If they go beyond their legal authority and do something unlawful, then it's the job of the court to say, well, that's unlawful.

It cannot stand.

It's just that is more important than ever.

I think now that we're under the second Trump administration and we see some of the things

that are going on and some of the things that they are kicking around.

And I wanted to start with this because I am not that well versed in habeas corpus.

And I would really like you to explain Judge Michelle.

Again, Stephen Miller, who is in the Trump administration, says we can suspend habeas corpus.

No big deal.

What does that mean?

What is habeas corpus first and foremost?

Great question.

Of course, it's an ancient Latin phrase It's been a feature of American laws since the beginning and before that for centuries English law the basic idea is that if somebody is detained Under assertion of lawful authority by somebody usually an executive branch official That lawfulness should be able to be tested by a judge.

So if there's evidence to support

an arrest or other detention that can be presented to the judge and then the judge says okay there there is a lawful basis go ahead if there is not a lawful basis then the judge says stop you must free that person you've detained because there's no lawful basis to hold that person so it's a test of legality.

So essentially

say I get arrested for some reason.

I get taken into custody by the administration for some reason.

And habeas corpus allows me to defend myself and say this is why these charges are bogus or this is why these charges should not apply.

Is that accurate?

That's true, but it's also a chance for a judge to question the government official who's arrested you, say, what was your basis?

Did you have a warrant?

What are the facts?

What law are you acting under?

So it's a chance for the arrested or detained person to give their side of the story, but it's also a chance for the judge to make sure that the basis asserted by the arresting authorities is fully tested.

And Judge, one of the things they're saying about this, the wanting to suspend habeas corpus is in times of invasion and they're using immigration as a tactic.

And is there a litmus test used by judges or government officials to actually say, all right, we are at the point, we are like, let's say there was an actual invasion to suspend habeas corpus, or is this something that would be a trickle down event where you'd say, all right, we have

these examples.

How do you even determine what would suspend something so important in our greatest document?

Well, we might be able to imagine a case that would be in a gray zone, but the problems with immigration are not a close call in my judgment.

The suspension power allowing habeas corpus to be temporarily set aside for urgent emergencies

is limited to two circumstances.

One is foreign armed invasion and the other is internal armed rebellion.

So it seems to me quite clear that we don't have anything approaching either of those tests and therefore for habeas corpus rights to be suspended would be unlawful.

And it will not stand.

Secondly, the ability for the habeas corpus rights to be temporarily set aside is a power vested in Congress, not in the executive branch.

The provision is part of a statute.

It's based on part of Article 1.

That's the correctional part of the Constitution.

Article 3 is the judicial part, hence Article 3 coalition referring to judges.

So Mr. Miller can say whatever he wants, and so can anybody else, but that doesn't make it true.

If you're just joining us, our guest is Judge Paul Michelle.

He's a member of KPI Republic's Article III coalition.

And right now we are talking about habeas corpus.

And what is it?

And why is it important?

Judge Michelle, say the Trump administration did find a way to justify suspending habeas corpus or ignoring habeas corpus.

What would that mean for regular Americans?

What would that mean for our legal system?

Well, basically, it would mean that anybody could be arrested and imprisoned anytime for any reason or no reason at all.

And there would be no way that person or their family or their friends or anybody else could help them.

They would sometimes simply disappear.

This happened in many foreign countries where government authorities just quote, disappeared people.

Sometimes they went to jails and people knew where they were.

Other times they literally disappeared and then many times later bodies were found.

So it's a terrible problem if there is no way to test the lawfulness of detention because it means the people in charge of the police

type organizations can do anything they want anytime for any reason with no check on their power.

The whole idea of our Constitution is based on checks, checks and balances.

The courts are supposed to be a check on excess by the other two branches on lawful actions and correspondingly, if the courts act improperly, the Congress.

can step in, judges can be impeached, so can other officials.

So the whole idea is each branch is supposed to do its job, stay out of the job of the others, and serve as a check if one of the other branches goes off the rails.

Jane and I like to say we are not lawyers or judges, we are lawyer and judge adjacent.

So I just want to ask you a question, because I want to hear you say the words.

When I talked about this on social media, someone said to me, well, this is just for illegal immigrants, isn't it?

And another lawyer piped up and said, when they suspend habeas corpus, it's not for some, it's for all.

There's no, there's no asterisk.

If they suspend it at all, it's going to be applied to all.

And there's not just a, well, habeas corpus, but if you are so and so, that is true, correct?

You are correct.

It is either applicable or totally suspended for anybody and everybody everywhere in the whole country.

So if habeas corpus were suspended, any American citizen who's lived a totally perfect lawful life could be arbitrarily arrested by authorities.

And there would be no protection and no check and no recovery from that.

So it's a it's a big threat.

It's not a small thing.

And it can't be limited to violent illegal immigrants or any other kind of group.

You are exactly right about that, Greg.

You'd be a good lawyer.

Yes.

Oh, God, don't tell him that, Judge, because we're never going to hear the his head is going to go.

For the record, I got all A's and con law.

So just put that down.

Judge Paul Michelle is our guest and we're talking about habeas corpus.

And I think it's important that people understand countries like Russia and North Korea and China even it's they can they grab you and they disappear you.

They do this with political rivals.

They do this with anybody who can journalists.

Anybody wants to speak out against the regime.

That's what they do in those countries.

I would think that is not what we want to see in America.

It would be totally inconsistent with every year of our existence as a country and contributing our law and create a horrible circumstance for all our citizenry.

I'm curious when you talk to other members of your group.

What is the level of concern when you hear things like this coming out of the Trump administration?

Well, I should say that misunderstandings and misstatements preceded the Trump administration.

There's been a lot of loose false talk about what the role of judges is, how courts act, why we need them.

But I would certainly agree with the idea that it's gotten much worse in recent months under the

Trump second term and that's a great concern because so many things are being done.

by the administration at a rate never before seen, hundreds of initiatives, endless numbers of executive orders separate from other initiatives.

There are something like 250 lawsuits challenging those actions by the administration, pending in the courts, federal courts, all around the country.

So this is a huge

showdown battle between the rule of law on the one hand and unchecked executive power to do whatever they want on the other hand.

It's very stark, it's very worrisome.

The other members of the coalition are highly alarmed and that's why we've all volunteered to try to help clarify things so the citizenry and media and everybody else and policymakers and politicians can understand what's at stake and how it all works.

And just to reiterate, again, going back to habeas corpus and suspending habeas corpus, if the Trump administration were able to do this, this isn't only going to affect people who are illegal here illegally, bad people who are here illegally.

This will affect everyone in this country.

Every single one of us then would be subject to just getting snatched up with with no essentially no recourse and

no basis.

just because somebody's angry at you, or somebody wants to get you out of the way, or you're a media person and they want to silence you, or you're a judge and they want to make sure you can't rule against them.

Which is funny, because as you say that, I'm thinking, they're taking people out the street because of tattoos.

They're snatching up judges in Milwaukee.

So there are examples showing that they are pressing on the limits of this before they completely have to just say, well, you know, Habeas Corpus is just, it's an impediment.

Let's just get rid of that.

It's just a suggestion.

Greg, I think that really it's even a little worse than you say.

I think basically the implicit message of the administration is there are no limits, none.

We can do anything we want on any basis that we think is sufficient.

We're going to continue our conversation with Judge Paul Michel.

On the other side, stay close.

You are listening to Matt Nair on AIR.

This is the Civic Media Radio Network.

We will be right back.

Good morning, everyone.

It's Greg from Matt and air on air, and we're taking Memorial Day off to observe and remember those who gave the greatest sacrifice for our country.

But just because we have today off doesn't mean we don't have a show for you.

So what we've done is we've curated a best of episode with all of our favorite segments from the past few weeks, some great interviews, including this one with Judge Paul Michelle, who's part of keeping our republics article three coalition, which is a group of nonpartisan judges working to keep our democracy safe.

It's a two part interview.

and we hope you enjoy

it.

Suspend habeas corpus who needs it no big deal?

And we did have a question on a live stream from a state senator chris alpine Who asks judge michelle could the habeas corpus waiver have been used during the january 6th attack on the capital?

I wouldn't think so the scale of what the statute of providing for the waiver

looks to is mass armed invasion by a foreign power or a foreign terrorist organization, or armed rebellion like the American Civil War.

The violence at the Capitol was certainly extreme and extensive, but it doesn't amount to an equivalent of a foreign invasion or a civil war.

But I think it's an interesting parallel.

Just imagine, just imagine if the administration at that point had decided to just snatch these people up and disappear all of them.

All of those, all of those January six people got due process.

They all went through due process and they were judged by juries of their peers.

I can imagine the shrieking that would come from some folks if they were not allowed the same protections.

under habeas corpus

yes jane you have a very good point legal rights have to apply to everybody and legal limits have to apply to everybody including judges uh and so the question is uh is the situation or the action lawful

And that obviously in the end has to be determined by judges, not by officials of the other two branches.

The founders gave us a great constitution, I would say.

It's lasted longer than any other democratic constitution in the history of the world.

It's the oldest.

democracy republic uh extend today and they gave us uh a government of three parts three branches they're all important they all have the role you could think of it as a three-legged stool if you break or take away one of the legs we know what happens to the stool the whole thing collapses and falls over so all three branches are essential earlier i used the phrase checks but the rest of the phrase is and balances checks and

The balances part is how each branch has to do its job, be respectful of the other two, stay in its lane, and avoid excess.

And when that's done, the government works beautifully.

We know how to do it.

We've done it for almost 250 years.

We ought to keep doing it, I say.

Yep, absolutely.

In the couple of minutes that we have left Judge Michelle, I did want to talk about Judge Hannah Dugan in Milwaukee.

A federal grand jury did indict Judge Dugan yesterday on charges.

She helped a man who is here illegally evade ICE agents.

I think it's important that people understand that when you go before a grand jury or a case goes before a grand jury,

They're only hearing one side, correct?

That is correct.

And so the first chance that the arrested person has to tell their side of the story is when it gets into the court following an indictment.

And that's where the Duggan case will be going.

So then both sides present evidence.

And then a judge makes a determination whether a trial is even warranted.

Maybe they'll say yes, maybe they'll say no.

And if there is a trial, there still has to be proof by the government that a crime was committed and it's a serious crime, and therefore there should be consequences.

So Judge Dugan will have her day in court, as we like to say, day in court.

That's another important part of our system.

It's very unusual for a judge to be arrested.

and now indicted.

But of course, we like to say, and rightly so, no one is above the law, not a judge, not the president, not you, not me.

And that's the way it has to be if we're gonna have a functioning democracy under the rule of law rather than just under the rule of raw political power.

The one thing I would...

question, though, was the necessity of cuffing her and videotaping all of that.

She wasn't a flight risk.

It's not like she was going to go anywhere.

In most instances, in a case like this, isn't it, here's the date we want you to appear.

You show up, we'll release you on your own recognizance.

Yes, that would be the norm.

And in fact, in a case like this, I would have expected the accused person to voluntarily surrender immediately.

So, no, there was no need for dramatic arrest and handcuffing.

It looked to me like it was not only unnecessary but inappropriate because it just made a mockery of the situation.

If the judge is guilty of a crime, she'll be found guilty.

If she's not, she'll be acquitted.

publicity stunt of having a dramatic public arrest was totally unnecessary.

I think very unusual and very inappropriate.

And I question whether the purposes were legitimate or it was another intimidation tactic aimed at judges and citizens in general.

You better do what we want or you're going to get hammered.

Judge Paul Michelle is a member of Keep Our Republic's Article 3 Coalition.

It has been so informative and so educational.

Judge Michelle, thank you so very, very much.

We'd love to get you back on in a couple of weeks and just do a democracy check.

There it

is.

There it is.

I like that.

Thank you very much.

Pleasure to be with you.

Thank you so much for your time.

Thank you, sir.

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But just because we have today off doesn't mean we don't have a show for you.

So what we've done is we've curated a best of episode with all of our favorite segments from the past few weeks, some great interviews.

which includes this interview with Pam Yonkey.

Yes, that's right.

The fabulous farm babe returns to Matt Naranair.

She's not only a Wisconsin dairy farmer, host of the Midwest Farm Report, which you can hear right here on Civic Media from 5 a.m.

to 6 a.m.

Monday through Friday.

And she's one of the leading voices of advocacy right here in Wisconsin for our farmers, including this very important topic.

As May is Mental Health Awareness Month, we are bringing light to the issues that farmers here in the state struggle with, how they can talk about it, how they can find resources, and Pam will give you some great information on the topic.

It is a two-part interview, and we hope you enjoy, and thank you for listening.

Happy Memorial Day.

Good

morning and welcome.

Welcome to Matt Nair on air.

Jane Matt Nair, Greg Buck, Calvin Butenoff coming to you live from our studio at Radio Park in Racine.

Right now, though, it has been far too long since she has been on our airwaves.

Our friend, she is the fabulous farm babe.

She is Pam Yankee.

Good morning, Pam.

How are you?

Good morning, kiddo.

I'm outstanding.

I'm outstanding in a in a winter coat today, though, surprisingly enough.

It's chilly.

You are.

You are live from our world saving media's world headquarters overlooking State Street in Madison.

So one of the reasons why we wanted to have you on and we're going to get to lighter things in just a little bit.

But May is Mental Health Awareness Month.

And when we've had you on before, Pam, we've talked about this quite a bit.

when it comes to Wisconsin farmers and mental health.

And we all know our farmers have had a lot of challenges.

It seems like always.

Yeah, I was going to say the last 10 years.

No, it goes even beyond the last 10 years.

It's always been tough for farmers and mental health is one of those things that you want to.

Nobody wants to talk about.

Nobody wants to talk about that they're having struggles, that they're having a tough time.

What resources are available for Wisconsin farmers, Pam?

Well, and I'll tell you, Jane, it's really particularly strong to me right now after the storms that went through last week in Dodge County and some of those surrounding areas.

The reason being is right now is really crunch time for a lot of our Wisconsin farmers.

They are in the middle of trying to get everything done as far as planting is concerned.

Now put on top of that, the tornadoes or straight line winds, whatever they decided is that came through that area.

I was telling somebody this morning.

what you don't stop and think about when you look at pictures.

Now, social media has been just awash with pictures showing everything from an impaled cow that got caught with a two by four right on through to just absolutely demolished barns.

And that's tragic, always tragic.

Anytime something like that happens to anybody, farmer or not, is tragic.

But then you stop and think about the prolonged mental stress that that farm's going to be under.

Stop and think how many farms, when you drive out in Wisconsin these days, you see barns, right?

But not all barns have animals in them.

Not all barns have plumbing or water or electricity.

Definitely don't have milking equipment.

So now my barn's gone.

Where am I going to take all these cows so that they can get milk twice a day?

There's stressor number one.

If I happen to have neighbors nearby that have space, now I may have the couple of the barns where I'm milking more than a couple hundred cows.

Family farms that were milking a couple hundred cows.

Now I may have cows at three different locations.

Now, I have to coordinate milk pickup.

I have to coordinate milking those cows, veterinary checks.

And where did the feed go?

When that storm came through, all of my feed likely disappeared with it.

And if you take a look outside of these days, folks, there's not a lot of things growing that we're going to be able to feed our cows and keep them going.

That's why I really think it's important to remind people about the available resources for mental health.

You lean on your neighbors.

Your neighbors are there.

The casserole parade is already unfolded.

But then there's those moments where you have to say, uh-oh, how am I going to pick myself up, dust myself off, and keep going?

And that's why Wisconsin, since the pandemic, I believe really amplified what we've been doing as far as resources for Wisconsin farmers.

Now we're almost to the point where it's a maze of, oh my god, I've got all these toll-free numbers, but what do you do?

Somebody told me the other day, and I think it's very, very wise.

Before you start telling somebody to reach out, call that resource and find out what you're really getting at the end of that phone line.

Because everybody's got a toll free number.

But do they really know agriculture?

Do they really know the stressors that you are going through?

Whether it's tomorrow, we're going to get one to two inches of rain.

That's going to kick us out of the fields.

If I'm not even started, that's a stressor.

you know, bring about real life challenges like alcohol, drugs, we're getting older.

Now my physical body can't do what I need it to do.

All of that mounts.

So I always remind people, I feel most confident about the Wisconsin Department of Aged, Trade and Consumer Protection.

They have the farmer hotline, which I will be giving you the 800 number there.

And that really gives a kind of a pallet of services for farms.

So they'll help you with financial resources if you're if you're struggling to figure out how to pay bills or how to how to manage debt.

They'll also help you with herd health.

That's something that nobody talks about.

When you are America's Dairyland, a lot of your stress comes from why can't I fix this with my dairy cows?

Right.

What in the world is wrong here?

So they help with that.

They also have counseling that's available and they work through other challenges like transition.

How am I going to get the next generation?

to come along with me and the dynamics of family business, which is really what 99% of our farms are.

Now, that number is 800-942-2474.

800-942-2474.

And that one is available basically during business hours, but they always will get back to you.

And that's one thing I always like to remind people is they will get back to you.

And then there's the other side of things.

As I said, when you get older,

or you're physically becoming more challenged.

Now they've started since the pandemic, a farmer wellness hotline, and that will allow for remote vouchers.

Oh, that's a great

idea.

I just talked to Jess Boatchamp, who is the coolest chick.

She is the one that you will likely catch when you call for the farmer wellness helpline.

Jess is currently building a house right near my home farm, ironically enough, and yet we've never met.

which is hard to say about Abrams.

But anyhow, so what she was telling me is she is finding more and more farms that are comfortable using a voucher system if they need resources.

Because the last thing you want to ask a farmer to do is leave the farm to go to a session.

So these can be virtual and the other thing that they found is I think she said once a month they will get together online and just talk.

They'll have one farmer that maybe has been in kind of the conversations a little longer act as a moderator

and

Then they go and you decide what's going to be discussed now farmer to farmer That's where the groove.

That's where the magic really happens getting them to do that and the farmer wellness hotline is 888 901 25 58 888

901, 2558, and that's a 24-7 gig.

Now, it's not that Jess is propping her eyelids open with toothpicks to be there, but we've got an arrangement with Iowa, for example, Minnesota.

They've got similar services.

So if somebody's going to pick

up.

Somebody's going to pick up on him.

So those are the two main ones that I know that I am confident about, that I feel good referencing others.

Now, there's many other groups that we are fortunate to have around.

somebody in Sauk County lived through a husband's suicide, had farmed all his life, had challenges with depression at all his life, finally took his life, and the church community in the Sauk County community stepped in and said, hey, we got to do this.

These are our neighbors.

So they have the Farmer Angel Network.

We have them on the show.

Yeah.

I'm just, those people are so wonderful in how it is morphed into so much more.

And again, that's a farmer to farmer, completely confidential always, farmer to farmer kind of conversation that happens.

They just got done with a series of spring meetings to try to get everybody feeling better as they went to the fields.

Because as you alluded to with the outset, Jane, the unfortunate part about the audience that I love is they rank near the top in the nation of suicide.

Victims farming is not only one of the most dangerous occupations still even with technology It is also unfortunately one of the number one Suicide categories and it's because it's still largely dominated by men.

Yep men don't talk men don't share men are super steel and then and and on the farm We've got guns.

We've got heavy machinery.

We've got all kinds of ways

that we can make it look like an accident if we want.

And that's what I hear from insurance agents is when somebody calls them and says, I want to know about my life insurance policy.

Red flag.

Yeah.

Red flag.

Why are you asking this?

And they will do some triage to see what's going on and ask maybe the question, are you thinking about suicide?

And that's a trigger because what they're trying to do is make sure that I'm going to make it look like an accident.

and set up the farm.

So these are the conversations.

If you're just joining us, Pam Yankee is our guest.

She is the fabulous farm baby.

You can hear her reports and her colleagues' reports across civic media.

And we're talking about mental health, especially, May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and especially about Wisconsin farmers.

We will include those numbers that you gave us, Pam, in our show notes.

Greg will make sure that they're in our show notes.

All I can think to is one of the groups that you mentioned.

Farmer to farmer having farmer to farmer conversations has really got to be the way to go.

Oh,

you definitely see response and it also helps regardless of demographics.

Let's recognize that Wisconsin farmers, although not as old as the national average.

Let's say the average Wisconsin farm is, you know, mid-fifties, but you may have young farmers that are in a different situation.

They've got a growing family or they're dealing with the stress of that transition.

Mom and dad don't want to get out of the way, but I want a farm to be able to have different groups dealing with different items or circulating through different items and in a non-judgmental way, talking with each other.

That has turned out, according to Jess Bochamp, turned out to be very, very valuable to them.

And they seem to work.

And like I said, they can do it on their time.

If Jess wants to go to bed, for example, they can have a conversation after chores are done at 8.39 o'clock at

night.

Yeah, that's got to make all the difference, really.

And what you mentioned, Pam, about that is in all of the years I've been doing this and in all the storm reporting that I've done over the years, I never once thought about somebody's barn getting destroyed.

And what if you milked in that barn and what do you do with those cows that still have to get milked?

They don't care.

There was a storm.

Yeah.

And

also, oh, go on, Pam.

Go on.

Well, I was just going to say, I know that many people have seen the news reports and the very emotional.

I mean, listen, whether you want to believe it or not, if she's got a name or a number, I know that cow.

If I have to euthanize that cow, that is a mentally, oh, you think it's bad losing your dog or cat?

People.

I've spent half a generation trying to bring this cow into my herd.

And just watching the animals, I think, is probably the most difficult for any dairy farmer to handle.

And like I said, this is just the beginning of their path to recovery.

And it ain't going to happen overnight.

And the cast rules are going to disappear, and they're still going to have to be figuring out what next to get those cows home.

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Help is available.

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It's Greg from Matt and Aaron air, and we're taking Memorial Day off to observe and remember those who gave the greatest sacrifice for our country.

But just because we have today off doesn't mean we don't have a show for you.

So what we've done is we've curated a best of episode with all of our favorite segments from the past few weeks, some great interviews.

Which includes this interview with Pam Yonkey.

Yes, that's right.

The fabulous farm babe returns to Matt Naranair.

She's not only a Wisconsin dairy farmer, host of the Midwest Farm Report, which you can hear right here on Civic Media from 5 a.m.

to 6 a.m.

Monday through Friday.

And she's one of the leading voices of advocacy right here in Wisconsin for our farmers, including this very important topic.

As May is Mental Health Awareness Month, we are bringing light to the issues that farmers here in the state struggle with, how they can talk about it, how they can find resources, and Pam will give you some great information on the topic.

It is a two-part interview, and we hope you enjoy, and thank you for listening.

Happy Memorial Day.

Good morning and welcome back to Matt Nair on air.

Jane Matt Nair, Greg Bach and the board lord coming to you from our studio right now.

Though Pam Yonkey is here.

She is the fabulous farm babe and you hear her reports across civic media and we had a text come in specifically for you, my friend.

Yes, Carol from Walk Shall Listen in WAUK says please let.

Pam know what a treasure she is.

She is an amazing advocate for farmers and agriculture as well as a tremendous educator for those of us unfamiliar with the issues farmers face.

Now, I'm glad Carol said that because that leads me into my question of guidance.

Now, I suggest everyone listen to the Midwest Farm Report every morning from five to six right here on Civic Media, whether it's Pam Yankees, Stephanie Hoff or Ben Jarbo talking about the things that are important about farmers, but

Pam, I didn't grow up in the farm.

I grew up in the suburbs.

I don't have farmers in my family.

Where would people go to get just your basic information besides your show on what's going on on our farms in Wisconsin and what is going on with our farmers themselves?

Just so we're more educated and understand because a lot of people think farms, that's way out in the country.

No, it's 10 minutes west of you.

Yeah, especially in Wisconsin.

Yeah, you're right.

In fact, we were kind of talking about that.

I was with a young man that's 21 and same background zip on agriculture.

And I walked him through and I said, you know, literally Wisconsin is still very fortunate that you don't have to drive very far before you find your first farm.

It may look different.

It may be more of a vegetable or produce, but they're there.

And I kind of speak to all of them.

You know, like I said, I kind of make sure I'm very careful about what I

advise people to tap into because there's so much out there.

So I always encourage you please Midwest Farm Report on all the platforms on our website because at least I know that's a vetted source and what you get is going to be

verified.

There's a lot of social media streams.

I like to watch what's happening with the Wisconsin Farm Bureau Federation, Wisconsin Farmers Union.

If you're an issues driven person, if you're curious, I see some people that asked about state legislature doing some things.

That would be the best place to kind of walk along there.

I routinely talk to Senator Pat Teston, who's the current chair of the Senate Agriculture and Revenue Committee.

Then we've got Howard Markline, who's joint finance but comes from farming.

So some of those individuals may pull

things on occasion.

The National Association of Farm Broadcasters does a good job of trying to get stuff out too.

One site that I really think for just tidbits that will get you thinking, Wisconsin Ag in the Classroom.

Now it's designed for school kids, but not to, I don't want to condescend to the audience, but

Given the lack of understanding a lot of folks or our exposure people may have had to agriculture Those little tidbits might be thought starters that they never imagined was just just look for Wisconsin egg in the classroom And it will give you little pieces of information on all of Wisconsin agriculture My heart my background is in dairy, but think about cranberries and ginseng and things that you

would have to travel to see if you wanted to see.

And the Wisconsin Ag and the Classroom program does it really wonderfully.

The other thing I like about it is they've got hands-on learning.

It's designed for teachers.

And what they do is they give teachers lesson plans that can also include teaching kids how to make butter, teaching kids how to do in the classroom cheese making in a Ziploc.

I mean, just if you think as an adult going through the process,

And, oh yeah, I never thought about salt, or I never thought about this, or I never thought about a flavor.

It does help you kind of get connected, if you will.

So those are some sources.

And I want to remind everybody too that, you know, speaking of the Wisconsin Farmers Union, we have Derek Von Ruden.

I'm Darren.

We do this all the time.

We screw up his name all the time.

Darren Von Ruden, who is the president on...

the first Wednesday of every month to be on the show, to talk about those issue-driven ideas and those notions that are affecting farmers.

And also, Pat Crichtlow has Hans Brighton moves around as well.

So there are plenty of resources, but this is great, Pam.

And we'll, and I'll go through some of those and I will get them linked in the show notes so people can, and I don't think it's condescending or condescending at all to tell people, Hey, if you don't know anything, start where the kids start at the beginning and educate yourself.

Well, and like I said, they're, they're short.

because if you're not in it, your attention span to it isn't going to be all that great to begin with.

And like I said, in this day and time, there is so much content out there.

But it's generally like if you go to social media, somebody's got a point they're trying to make.

I always want to make sure that I'm providing you just a whole lot of options, but verified options that are news driven, fact driven, so that you can make your own decisions.

And like I said, egg in the classroom.

Start with the tidbits.

Start with the little bits that you can share with somebody else at the water cooler, as they used to say.

Now I want to make cheese in here.

Now I want to make Matt Nair on air cheese.

You guys want to make cheese in a

bag?

There you

go.

We're going to shape that up.

We're going to start there.

We're going to make cheese.

That sounds like a real Gouda idea.

Oh,

I like that.

Bam Yankee is the fabulous farm, babe.

So good to see you.

Thank you so very much, my friend.

Take care.

We'll have you back on in a few.

Good

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So what we've done is we've curated a best of episode with all of our favorite segments from the past few weeks, like this edition of Audio Sorbet we did just when we're getting nice weather.

So we wanted to hear from you and talk about

our favorite summer songs.

We love hearing from all of you, and we hope to hear from you this week.

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Good morning and welcome back to Matt Nair on air, Jane Matt Nair, Greg Bach, the board lord coming to you from our studio and radio park.

In just a second, we want to hear from you on today's going to be a really beautiful summer day, kind of like the first full 80 degree day, at least here in the southeastern portion of the state.

So we're talking about what song.

says summer to you.

What is your summer song?

But first, some important announcements from Greg

Bach.

Two big announcements.

First of all, as you know, I'm one of the co-owners of the Laughing Tap in Milwaukee right there in Walker's Point.

We have three shows this weekend with Skyler Higley.

Don't know Skyler Higley?

Well, he is a writer for Conan.

If you watch the Oscars, he wrote for Conan

during that event.

Oh,

cool.

When Conan made the joke about Drake, Skyler wrote that joke.

Very cool.

Got

big, big.

So he'll be here tonight, two shows tomorrow.

LaughingTap.com.

But as important, as important, my niece and goddaughter, Molly Grabele is starring at the Rode Theater in Kenosha in Hairspray.

She's playing Tracy Turnblad.

That's a big part.

If you live in the Kenosha Racine area or anywhere in southeastern Wisconsin and you want to see a great show, I'm going to be there probably tomorrow or Sunday at 2 p.m.

There are four shows left.

There's a night show tonight.

matinee to tomorrow as well as an evening tomorrow and then a matinee on Sunday.

Then it's done, it's closed out, but it was three great weeks.

And I am super proud of her.

I will put links in the show notes for both the tap as well as the roadie theater.

She

can get your tickets and head on down there and support it because I saying pretty please go Molly break a

leg.

Yeah, Molly.

Very cool.

What is your song of summer?

What's this summer time to you at 855-752-4842?

Calvin bumped in with what would be mine.

Katrina and the Waves walking on sunshine.

I still love that song.

That song's gotta be 30 years old.

Oh, I'm

gonna go ahead.

Even

older?

I'm gonna look that up just to make you feel

old.

Probably even older.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

What is your song that says summer to you 855-752-4842?

What?

It's 42 years old.

OK, just like yesterday.

You mean the Beatles song?

That's like 50 years old.

Walking on sunshine is 42 years old.

Yarp.

Songs of summer at 855-752-4842.

Steve from Milwaukee.

Calvin, I believe we have this clip from Mungo Jerry.

Can we play a little bit of that?

Such a 60s

song.

It's

still so

good though.

I'm pretty sure someone's playing a jug in this song.

There's not enough.

More jug.

More jug.

More jugs and bands.

The instrument.

More jugs and bands.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Yes.

8-5-5-7-5.

Civic, what is the song that says summer to you?

Thank you for that, Steve, from Milwaukee.

Keep them coming in.

Dan Schaeffer, what about you?

What would be your song of summer?

So my college roommate, he had a tradition every year on the first really nice day of the year.

We would go out for a long drive with the windows down, nice day, blast some music.

And we always went, we listened to Tom Petty's album.

Full Moon Fever.

So

this

album is

the one that has free fallen and won't back down down a dream like a lot of hits.

So it's just like that song, nice day, open road.

That's how that's how we like to start summer.

So like every year there's a nice day.

We'll text each other and be like, is it the full moon fever day is today it?

Oh,

that's

great.

It's today

that today I feel like it's really full moon fever day.

Today is that day.

I I'm also that way with like it's the season is great, but it's about driving in spring.

summer that being able to put the windows down and just enjoy and playing that right music.

And for me, and I put them, believe it or not, in most of the show notes on Friday, I put in a link to a song by Fat Boy Slim called The Weeknd Starts Here.

And I know it's not Katrina in the Waves, it's not Big Pop, but I want you to think about driving to this song at night.

Calvin, can you play that bit I gave you?

Just driving especially home from work.

I'm feeling it.

I Love this song so much Does it pick up at

all?

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it's a fat boy slim song.

It's 48 minutes long in it and it's 40 but uh, but here here's the beat like

That's a great driving song that just keeps you going right there.

So yeah,

what is your song of summertime 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 civic if you would like to join the conversation during our audio Sorbet John from West Bend super cool by Jimmy Buffett

Summer's cool.

Summer's cool.

Sorry, by Jimmy Buffett.

Actually, almost any Jimmy Buffett song makes it summer anytime.

You're absolutely right about that.

Oh, Andrew from Maine.

Jane's favorite summer song is 14 years older than herself.

That smooth talk in Andrew

from Maine.

You're angling for money,

aren't you?

Oh, or it's a compliment, I guess.

855-752-4842-855-75 Civic, what song says summer to you?

On the live stream, we have PJ say a DJ, Jazzy Jeff summertime.

Oh yeah, that's just a funny play that barbecue dancer.

There it is.