Bob Jr., You’re Very Wrong (Hour 1)

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Jim Santel joining us after the 9.30 news.

Just a couple things to talk to Jim Santel about.

Yeah, we get to talk about habeas

corpus again And so we can all get on the same page.

Maybe Kristi Noem will tune in and learn something

She may tune in but I doubt she'll learn anything Jane

worth a shot one can always hope yeah a Brittany Merlot will be here next hour for a little weather and wine of course Brittany civic media meteorologists were to talk about what's coming up

where we are as far as drought is concerned in Wisconsin.

This has been an ongoing concern for the last couple of years.

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Yes, indeed.

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Oh yes,

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One of the start off with this though, Milwaukee, the city of Milwaukee has been having this ongoing lead crisis in schools.

They have actually had to shut down nine schools in Milwaukee because of the aging lead pipes and the presence of lead in the water, which we know has very detrimental effects on children and just on all of us really, nobody wants to be consuming lead.

But there's nothing to worry about, Greg Bach.

Why?

If you listen to Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr.

Oh, he's such an expert, Jane.

He is on top of everything.

Nothing to worry about here.

Robert Kennedy Jr., two days ago, was testifying before a Senate subcommittee when he was asked about a branch of the CDC, Centers for Disease Control.

Yes.

asked about a branch of the CDC that had been laid off because they had all these firings at the CDC.

This branch that has been essentially eliminated was responsible for investigating and preventing lead poisoning.

And had been working with Milwaukee health officials, this from the Milwaukee Journal set now to respond to this lead contamination in Milwaukee public schools after those layoffs.

The collaboration stopped, according to Milwaukee health officials.

But don't worry, Bob Jr.

said two days ago, quote, we are continuing to fund the program, referring to the CDC's childhood lead poisoning prevention program.

We have a team in Milwaukee, and we're giving lab support to analytics in Milwaukee, and we're working with the health department in Milwaukee, unquote.

One little.

Oh

no.

Caroline Rinewald is a spokesperson for the Milwaukee Health Department.

She says there is an HHS Health and Human Services or CDC team in Milwaukee helping with lead poisoning response, but there is no such team.

Wait,

there's a department?

Wait, how did she?

She has disputed that there's an HHS or a CDC team in Milwaukee helping them to respond to this lead crisis, saying there is no such team.

Quote, we have not received any federal epidemiological or analytical support related to the lead crisis in Milwaukee public schools.

So it would seem to me, Jane,

and I'm

not, I've only went, I only have a college degree.

It seems like.

Bob Junior is lying

or he just doesn't know what's going on.

I actually think that's more likely you think he just doesn't know what's going on.

Yes, I Really do I Don't think he has any clue if you can look at his testimony from two days ago Yeah, he doesn't know

well he also I mean the same he said the same thing to this was the same thing to Tammy Baldwin like a week and a half ago We played part of that clip which is the most

Enraged I've ever heard Tammy Baldwin get and he very much Said that it was a problem.

He agreed it was a problem and he said that it was his like His department his call and he said and he said in front of her and on camera that if there was money Allocated that it will be taken care of so I guess somewhere between it will be taken care of it just turned into it's taking so he must think

I said it in front of the Senate and therefore therefore someone who works back at the office was like I'll get on that and then I did nothing to to follow up on that whatsoever but don't worry folks it is happening because I said it and I am Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

exactly

again I don't think he has any idea what's going on I really don't period I think this could be applied to a lot of members of this administration

yeah a lot of people who are in charge of

Tens of thousands of people, if not more, hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars in their departments.

Let's the FBI, the Pentagon, the HHS, Homeland Security, name me a person who is truly qualified to be running their department.

Name one.

I'll wait.

I'm here till 11.

855-752-4842, if you would like to join the conversation.

Multiple schools in Milwaukee have been closed for lead remediation.

There are plans in place to clear lead paint hazards from dozens of schools before next year.

But how, again, this is going to happen without help from the federal government, that kind of remains to be seen.

The only federal involvement that local officials have pointed to, there was a two week visit earlier this month from one person on a CDC fellowship who helped set up some new lab equipment.

to make sure it was working properly.

Not a team, one person on a CDC fellowship.

So a tech person.

Essentially.

Doing their job, whatever.

Yeah, some IT guy setting up this new lab instrument to ensure that it was working properly.

Great.

Before the layoffs at Health and Human Services, Milwaukee Health officials had asked the CDC for on-site help.

Again, we've shut down nine schools in Milwaukee because of lead problems.

They made that request late in March.

They asked for a small team of CDC folks to come to town to lend their expertise and help develop a plan for large-scale testing for lead poisoning.

And then, of course, there were massive layoffs and the CDC denied Milwaukee's request for help.

Pointing to, quote,

the complete loss of our lead program, unquote.

But Bob says they're on the ground here.

Robert Kennedy Jr.

says, no worries.

It's all good.

We got a team on the ground in Milwaukee, even though no one in Milwaukee has seen said team.

It begs the bigger question.

I mean, and I know what the answer is, and I know it's frustrating, but it's like, why would a lead poisoning?

remediation program be cancelled in the first place.

I know that the state has no interest in helping.

They want to cut funding on that as well.

They're happy to let lead poisoning.

Well, especially if it's in Milwaukee.

Well, and that's the thing.

And that's something that I brought up.

I don't remember if it was here or on Patch Show, which is if a lead problem was a problem in this state.

But it was only in rural areas.

They would have fixed it years ago.

But because it's Milwaukee, they don't have to care.

And they get to not care and tell them, we're not going to give money to Milwaukee.

They don't need it.

They got enough money.

They're blah, blah, whatever.

It's like Milwaukee is Milwaukee and they're the enemy.

Well, guess what?

There are lead problems in rural areas.

There's a lot of problems all over the state.

And when our elected officials, state and federal turn their backs on us, why do you still vote for them?

Why cuz it's not gonna affect me now Right now, but how about down the road?

How about your kid your grandkid?

It just doesn't make any sense.

I hear you Tony on the live stream was RFK answering or was the brain worm controlling what he was saying.

That's a good question Tony We're not sure who is actually in control of Bob Junior's brain.

Yeah, he went swimming

Last weekend, you know outside of DC, okay in a river that is known to be heavily polluted He took it's on it's on social media Maybe he's just immune from everything now because he's got because he had the brain war and everything

that's the thing That's what you know, there are people out there who think because they they

take certain supplements they do certain things they whatever they do and i and and if that's what you want to do that's what you want to do fine but those people shouldn't be in charge of health and human services they believe their bodies immune from those types of maladies and diseases and viruses but what we find out is that's not true because we're all humans we're all made of the same skin bone and blood and we're frail to certain things so making statements like that is you know back in the day the forefathers they used to swim in the Potomac because the Potomac

was clean but you can't do that anymore but let him do it and and and if he doesn't and if he doesn't and this I'm gonna preface this if he doesn't die on the spot people like we'll see he's healthy well yeah but that doesn't mean that what he's doing now won't have a knock-on effect in years right because he's not an expert and he doesn't know what he's talking about yeah he's a lawyer he's a liar but also a lawyer he is a lawyer

yeah again we're talking about the problem with lead and and

Tony says on the limestream as well.

And Earl Ingram talked a lot about this.

Yes.

A lot about this on his show.

But Tony says to lead is a problem nationwide.

I learned that from Earl.

Yes.

And and as we always say, especially in the in the matters of the state, but you can go to my vote.wi.gov.

And if you have if you have opinions on this matter or really any matter that affects you, which nowadays they're all going to affect us.

go to myvote.wi.gov and you can look up your representatives from the federal down to the local and you can call them and tell them their phone numbers are there, their email addresses are

there.

Be nice,

be

respectful, but make your voice heard because that's, I know it sounds so naive to say this, but that is how you start to affect change.

And if they hear from enough people, and unfortunately I think that that's what it takes.

is for there to be enough people for them to finally sit up and go, oh, maybe this is something that we're gonna have to address.

It has to be a cavalcade of individuals saying, hey, why don't you just be nice to us?

Because if you don't, then they'll just say, hey, everybody, my buddy who owns five planes needs a six plane, so I'm gonna give him a tax break, but I'm gonna

cancel your benefits.

Is that okay?

I didn't hear from you, so I guess it's fine.

You must not

be bothered by that.

You must not be bothered.

John from Oshkosh has a question on the text line.

I miss Earl.

Can we hear him anywhere?

We have Earl's podcast on our website.

Earl Now is doing podcasts.

Check it out at civicmedia.us.

Look for Earl Ingram.

He should be on that main page.

You can also listen to old shows, too.

Absolutely.

Catch

up and get re-informed and whatnot.

But yeah, he is not going anywhere.

He is going to be on the network doing local drop-ins, doing very important

specific topics.

He's on patch show this

morning.

Exactly.

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can play it.

It'll be fun The plane the plane the plane.

Yes, we have accepted that free plane how

Thank you tattoo.

Thank you, buddy.

Appreciate that.

The Air Force has been asked to figure out a way to rapidly upgrade it.

So it can be used as a new Air Force One.

You know the best thing about this free plane, Greg Bach?

How free it is.

How free it is.

And the fact that the American taxpayer gets to pay for all of these upgrades and all the things it's going to need, because this is like a 13 year old plane.

Yeah,

the Qataris have been trying to get rid of this for a while.

They finally found someone to take it off their hands.

So it's us.

Yeah, it's we get to pay for all of these upgrades and repairs and all these things.

And then best of all, Trump gets to keep it.

Mm-hmm great

the upgrades that need to have they say this is probably gonna be about a you know at all said and told after upgrades security after everything that needs to be done It's gonna be about a billion dollar only a billion and and let's just heap that on the pile of all the ways We're gonna get a doinked in the in the in the new big beautiful bill.

Yeah

It's, folks, we're just, you know, did you know that you were a billionaire?

Well, you're not anymore because you're paying for a plane.

But it's our plane.

It's our plane.

It's our plane, but Donald Trump gets to keep it.

So did we, well, I'll ask James Santel when he comes here after the break.

I guess we just like either did some whiteout or just poked holes right through the emoluments clause.

Yeah, no

one, no one in

the Trump

administration

can pronounce that

word.

So I don't think I pronounce it right there.

So they just skip over it.

Yeah.

Amoluments?

Is it Amoluments?

The free plane is estimated to be about $200 million, but as we've mentioned, it does require extensive work before it can be considered secure enough to carry the president.

Quote, any civilian aircraft will take significant modifications to do so, says the Air Force Secretary.

Based on direction, we are

Postured, and we're looking at that right now, what it's going to take for that particular aircraft.

Again, lucky us, the American taxpayers, that free plane, we get to pay for all the upgrades and all the special things and all the gold interior that he really likes.

And that'll be so nice.

And then his library gets to keep it.

I just looked up.

how much does it cost to build an Air Force One plane from scratch?

And it says the estimated cost to build one Air Force One from scratch is around $3.9 billion for two aircrafts.

The Pentagon has estimated the total cost, including equipping and testing to be close to $5.3 billion.

And because they want to put a rush on it, we all know that when you have to put a rush on it, there's also a charge.

It's always good.

I mean, again, Boeing has been working on a new Air Force One for years now.

Boeing's having some problems on their own

I guess the question is how and how long will this take because Are we gonna give it to Boeing to upgrade?

I hope not

Then what what kind of?

What kind of assurances do we have there?

That's gonna be any speedier Jane I'm gonna go ahead and say there are no assurances.

There's no assurances that it'll be fast affordable or even Flyable by the time the president's even out of office.

So yep

And that's the other thing too.

Let's just say, let's pause it, that the plane is never done by the time at the end of his term, he still gets to keep it.

I mean, his library.

His library gets to keep it.

Yeah, they're gonna put it, he's gonna get, that is the other thing, Jane, and we don't have time to go over this right now, but come on.

The Donald Trump library.

It's gonna be a really small room.

It's gonna just be a bunch of phones where you can read all of his tweets.

There will be lots of pictures.

There will be lots of pictures.

Lots of memes.

I don't even get a free flight in this plane either.

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Attorney and acting attorney and host of amicus a law review he joins us every Thursday good morning Jim how you doing

Jane, Greg, great to be with you once again.

And yes, planes, planes, planes.

Yes.

And other things out there too.

Yeah.

Well, we'll get to the whole emoluments thing.

And is that, is that legal?

That's, but first I wanted to start off with something we did talk a little bit about before, but because you are an attorney and you are a former U.S.

attorney, I would really like your opinion on this.

Habeas Corpus came up.

in discussions with Kristi Noem.

Homeland

security.

Secretary?

Secretary of Homeland Security.

You would think she should know these things.

This is an important thing.

We have a little exchange between Kristi Noem that Calvin has.

Calvin, can we play that clip, please?

So, Secretary Noem, what is habeas corpus?

Well, Habeas Corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country and suspend their right to suspend their right to.

Let me stop you, ma'am.

Habeas

Corpus, excuse me, that's incorrect.

President Blinken used it.

Excuse me.

Habeas Corpus is the legal principle that requires that the government provide a public reason for detaining and imprisoning people.

If not for that protection, the government could simply arrest people, including American citizens, and hold them indefinitely for no reason.

Habeas Corpus is the foundational right that separates free societies like America

from police states like North Korea.

As a senator from the Live Free or Die State, this matters a lot to me and my constituents and to all

Americans.

This kind of is important for all Americans, the whole.

If the government grabs me, I have the right.

If I understand habeas corpus correctly, Jim, and correct me if I'm wrong.

If the government grabs me off the street, I have the right to question

their evidence against me or why they are holding me.

Is that accurate?

That's exactly right.

It's fundamental due process, which we've talked about at great length.

Also, on this wonderful broadcast, it's the notion that you've got a government that is fair and decent and treats its citizens according to those principles.

If you are charged with something, you have a right to know what those charges are.

As you've just indicated, Jane, you've got a right to defend against them.

You'd be able to bring in witnesses and documents and basically say the government is wrong.

You have a right to a judge, an impartial jurist to look at all that and say, well, all right, Santel, I think you're right or wrong on that.

That's called due process.

And again, more specifically, what our Homeland Secretary apparently has never learned in her life, including time as a governor and now as one of the principal leaders of our federal government.

habeas corpus is exactly that.

It is a legal procedure that says that before the body, that's where the word corpus comes from, literally for what it's worth.

Again, far beyond Kristi Noem to know this, but it's Latin.

It means you should have the body.

And that's how a writ of habeas corpus is a petition to the government to challenge the continuing detention of that body, alleging the unlawful detention, the imprisonment, requesting that the court.

enter an order releasing the body or not depending upon what the evidence is.

Basic due process.

It is, as the senator continued to question our secretary, it's in the first article of the Constitution.

You don't even have to get to all those pesky amendments,

which he probably doesn't

also

like all of that.

Just right at the

beginning.

It's right in the beginning, you know, James Madison said, this is pretty important.

Let's throw it in the first couple of lines here.

And she doesn't even know that it goes on to say that no, it's a it's a power of the executive branch.

And again, the notion, of course, is that that she is completely misconstrued.

What this is doesn't understand it.

Multiplying the problem is, of course, the fact that she's not her agriculture secretary.

She's not the head of the space force.

This is somebody who deals in

bodies and detaining human beings and the process by which we deport them or not.

This is something that frankly should be on her desk every morning.

At least there should be some discussion about the application of this principle.

Again, shocking, stunning, amazing that she does not know this and she has to be schooled again by United States Senator.

And I want to give context to the reason why they're having this conversation too.

We've talked about this with you.

Jim, and we also talked about this with Judge Paul Michelle.

This notion that came out of the White House via Stephen Miller, that they want to look at suspending habeas corpus in some cases.

And I even wrote as a response to somebody on Facebook, a long response, and I sent it to Jim to confirm the language because I wanted to make sure I was right.

But this is a part of due process that you can't simply put an asterisk on and say, well, we're going to today suspend habeas corpus for the following individuals.

No, it is a zero sum game.

It is a binary state.

There is either habeas corpus or there isn't.

And it applies to everyone.

And when it doesn't apply to everyone, that means they can do anything they want for any reason.

And there is no recourse.

Am I wrong, Jim?

You are exactly right.

And again,

Maybe we put Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem in the same remedial civics class that a number of the other folks need to go into.

Also, again, articulating this notion that suspension is just some of these things we do on a Tuesday, and we can have the president issue another executive order and do that.

The reason, Jane, going back to your very first comment, the reason why suspending habeas corpus

is so critical, why it is that the South Koreans, not too long ago, last year, December, and going forward, said, no, no, we're not going to permit martial law to take place.

We're not going to suspend all these basic processes.

It's because it goes to the core of a democratic government.

And absent that, everything else falls.

That's how fundamental it is.

It is not one of these things.

It's not a procedural thing.

It's not a small administrative regulation that you decide to impose for implementing a law.

It is core.

You lose habeas corpus.

You impose martial law and you no longer have a representative republic.

That's how critical this is.

And again, to try and make this as simple as humanly possible.

Without habeas corpus, the government can grab anybody off the street, jail them, disappear them, and you have no recourse.

None.

You don't get to ask for an attorney.

You don't get to ask for a hearing.

You can ask what they're holding you for, but they don't have to tell you.

This is what happens in North Korea.

This is what happens in Russia.

And the concern, as I suspect all your listeners are thinking of as we discuss this, is this what's now happening in America as we have literally hundreds of thousands of people now as late as this past week?

Again, we've got eight more.

We've got tens of thousands before, maybe 300,000 in El Salvador, again, being.

packed up and shipped off the writ of habeas corpus also which we need to affirm every single time we get together these basic civil rights they apply to people who are here it's not just citizens it is people who are geographically here and we wonder out loud then if we are seeing already that we backed into it and it's one of those flock frog boiling things where one at some point you suddenly realize my gosh the water is hot it gradually happens and then all of a sudden it's gone

that's the concern about this and we're seeing this by this president and by this this administration on a regular basis not without judicial pushback but once again americans need to appreciate the significance of this one one day someone comes to your door and says i don't like what you said i don't like what you wrote i don't like where you're protesting and i'm simply going to take you and you are done.

that's habeas corpus being destroyed and not being followed at all.

If you're just joining us, Jim Santel is our guest.

He's a former U.S.

attorney, an acting attorney, and also a host of Amicus, a law review across the network Saturdays from 9 to 11.

And the question I want to put on top of that, what Jim just said is, for all those who, you know, support the president, who are about freedom, who are about

the freedom of freedom being just America and everything they stand for.

Tell me how you stand for something like this and yet still stand behind the basic tenants of America, which is freedom, liberty, justice, those types of things.

When you suspend or try to get, just let's just say get rid of, let's not say suspend.

Let's just say get rid of.

Suspend sounds like, like as you said, James,

on a

Tuesday, it'll be, but on Wednesday suspended, don't worry.

And next week it'll come back.

This is due process, not the McRib.

We're talking about a really big problem here.

And please justify how you can stand behind such a statement and still say you believe in the tenets of America.

I need to know that.

And again, not just the inconsistency, that's the hypocrisy of those folks who are saying just that.

And here's the other point, which we've also made before.

No one is coming right to the substance of the allegations.

It may well be that I, or some of those tens of hundreds of thousands of people, are in fact dangers, and maybe they should be apprehended, and maybe they should be deported under our rules and regulations.

The point is, we don't know that.

Why?

Because they haven't had that hearing.

They haven't had, Jane, the capacity that you just described to defend against them.

And in that situation,

We're not making a determination about the merits or demerits of what they have done.

That's exactly the reason why we have habeas corpus to figure that out.

That's what everybody, Greg, as you just said, should embrace because, again, the day may come when you or your folks in your particular neighborhood or community, yourselves find yourselves in that position without an opportunity to tell your government why it is you should not be detained.

How do you feel about that?

And that's your not just rhetorical question, that's the very practical question that you're asking.

Something else I would like to clarify, Jim, because I've seen this lobbed also, and even Donald Trump, I think, has essentially said this.

If we have to give habeas corpus to all of these illegal immigrants, they'll be having trials for millions and millions of years.

That's not how that works.

It is not.

And we know because we've been doing this for a long period of time, we all know that perhaps inappropriately, a fellow named Barack Obama was identified as the deporter in chief, literally hundreds of thousands.

What is the difference between what's going on now and then?

It's because all of those people.

were deported, yes, through due process.

They were given opportunities to be heard.

And again, an administrative proceedings, not all in federal court, other can peel that as well.

They were given precisely the process through the immigration procedures that many, if not all of these folks are not being given.

And so that's the point too.

We are able to do this.

Is the immigration system overloaded?

You bet it is.

Do we need more immigration judges?

Absolutely.

Hey, Congress, maybe I had an opportunity a few months back to do something about that.

You didn't.

And now we're complaining about that.

But the reality is, there is a process in place.

It's not going to increase by millions or billions of proceedings.

It's a lot.

But we do this routinely.

We've been doing it, all we're asking for.

all we're requiring, not just asking, it is a mandate of our nation that these people go through the same processes that have been in place for years under private administrations.

Now, all of a sudden, huge, left turn, no more.

That's the point.

Yeah, maybe a few more dollars for more judges and fewer dollars towards that stupid wall.

Jim Santel is our guest.

We will continue our conversation.

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Jim, you just messaged me about the Oklahoma Charter School.

Do you want to give us a

few

more details about this?

You folks are always on the air when these big things break.

You should be on the air all the time, right?

A divided Supreme Court just announced this is a major victory I would identify.

for those folks who draw lines between government and religion.

Supreme Court rejecting a plan, rejecting say no to an Oklahoma request to use government money to run the nation's first religious charter school, teaching a curriculum.

about Catholic doctrine.

Again, I argued a number of days, weeks ago, Amy Coney Barrett recuses herself because of some prior involvement she had when she was presumably at Notre Dame.

Four to four decision, the upshot is the lower court decision stands and the school does not, does not get its charter in Oklahoma and therefore the Oklahoma tax dollars are not used to support

this Catholic religious institution.

I am pleased by that.

I suspect many of your listeners are.

It is also a bit of a surprise given where the Supreme Court has gone on these religious cases in the past.

Again, Amy Coney Barrett's recusal because of her prior involvement is significant.

The court is split.

Therefore, again, lower court remains the law.

But it is a major decision in the jurisprudence

Of the first amendment again, no establishment of a religion in america can't use money to do that That's what the oklahoma school wanted to do supreme court at least by virtue of its of its tie We'll take that we'll take that right by virtue of its ties says no you can't do that It is a an important decision again under the first amendment also free exercises out there too But this is an establishment clause decision of big importance people can be talking about this one

for days, if not years.

Really quick, Jim, because I'm trying to look it up right now.

And I know the three who voted against it, we all know who those who was the fourth that joined the quote unquote liberal side of the justice

was a

corsage.

Or was

it?

Let's see.

I'm just looking at the same thing that you are.

Let's see there.

I'm not quite certain.

My guess is that you certainly have the three

The other one, I'm not identifying.

I'm thinking it's going to

be John Roberts, because

he's usually the one.

I was about to say that.

The only reason I'm hesitant on the air to say that is because he was also the one who was articulating this new standard for these cases involving discrimination against religion.

And John Roberts has been leading the charge to, frankly,

Erase establishment quarrel's principles.

So I wish we could find that but it is that's Significant to to figure out who exactly that that was could be the Chief Justice We know it wasn't Amy Coney Barrett because she took her self out of this We know plainly Elena Kagan Sonia Sotomayor and Katanji Brown Jackson Right were three of those those four the upshot is again our Supreme Court today articulating

a very important decision.

It will be used in future cases to identify when the government should be not involved in religion.

There should not be these entanglements, which used to be the standard, until John Roberts got ahold of this.

And again, it will animate a lot of our understanding of First Amendment principles going forward.

Well, I'm just listening for all the exploding heads from some of the authors of Project 2025.

Because this is what they want.

The authors of Project 2025 and Project 2025 absolutely want the establishment of an official religion in this country.

That's part of their goal.

And they've articulated that in Project 2025.

And one has to wonder also, of course, what we have here is a Christian school, right?

This is a Catholic school.

Again, it applies across the board.

to Muslim schools, to Sikh schools, to Hindu schools, to Buddhist schools, to Jewish schools.

And it should be that way, right?

We shouldn't have that entanglement.

One has to wonder aloud if it would have gotten this kind of reception and gotten this far, frankly, if we were talking and getting the Milwaukee or other places, we've got some wonderful Muslim schools, and we do have those six schools and Jewish institutions.

One has to wonder if it would have gotten that far, this far, if this was not a Christian Catholic school.

Absolutely.

Those to your point, join about maybe we just don't only want this to be a religious nation, we want it to be a Christian nation.

And that, again, completely contrary to what our founding fathers want.

to have happen in our nation.

Again, it's interesting to speculate about what could happen, did not happen here.

We'll live for another day to see there are other religious cases out there, as we know in other cases, having to do with everything from decisions about academic presentations to school children.

That one also premised in part upon an anti-LGBT animus, and that also generated, at least in part, by a religious fervor.

So a lot of these things have lines all through them.

And we've got those cases yet to hear.

We've got about 45 more cases that we're entering that time period.

Once again, your listeners know this next few weeks, when you're spending a lot of time talking about all these Supreme Court cases, including this one, once we figure out exactly who fell where and what exactly they're saying to us today.

Big important decision right here on your broadcast show.

A reason to tune in every single day, right?

Thank you, Jim Santel.

No.

Jim Santel, make sure you check out his show.

It's fantastic Saturdays from 9 to 11 across the network.

He joins us every Thursday at this time.

Thank you so very much, Jim.

We will see you next week.

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done well at least in the house they passed that big beautiful blob of a bill lots of excitement lots of excitement President Trump quote

The one big beautiful bill has passed the House of Representatives.

This is arguably the most significant piece of legislation that will ever be signed in the history of our country, unquote.

My God, seriously.

Again, it has to pass the Senate.

They might still do some tweaking there.

We don't know what's what's going to happen with that.

But I do think it's important that people

realize there's lots and lots and lots of things in this bill.

Yeah, it's called a Christmas tree bill.

And many things that you may not think, really, that's important.

Who was asking for that?

This would be one example that I just wanted to share with folks.

When you think about our lawmakers in Washington taking on the serious business of running our government, and it is serious business.

Yes, it is.

But every once in a while, something gets slipped in there.

Again,

that might make folks sit up and go, is this important?

Really?

This is important.

We have a sound clip, Calvin.

So that the American public knows what this bill does, one of the little things that it does, would you please read?

Page 901 line 20.

I think it'd be better if you read it.

Oh

I'll read it.

I

know Actually, but I'm not gonna be part of your little show

here.

It was a question if you would read it.

So I'll ask ranking member more to read the text.

This is in their bill.

They don't want to read a line from their own bill.

Ranking member.

I don't want to read the bill for you.

I am

testifying

about this legislation.

I'm not going to read the bill to you.

Okay.

Okay.

I am, I am, this is amazing.

Ms.

Lager Fernandez, shall

I pass this back or shall I

read it for you?

No, no, why

don't you just read it?

Action 111106 repeal of excise tax on indoor tanning services.

So they're going to repeal.

They're repealing.

An excise tax on tanning beds.

So if you have a tanning bed, you get a little bit of a tax break.

And if you need a hospital bed in rural America, I'm sorry, you're out of luck.

Yeah, what's the

priorities, Greg?

I have never felt more seen than by that lone, distant voice that just went, oh,

God.

This is, I mean, this is a Christmas tree bell where people are hanging all sorts of amendments on there.

They're just going to do this and do that.

Some are good.

Some are terrible.

Some are this, that literally are repealing, repealing an excise tax that was passed in 2010 as part of the ACA because, and I guess, well, because they're not, they don't like that.

They don't like when people science all over the place.

Tanny beds aren't good for you.

No, they're not.

They're not like skin cancer is a thing.

Yeah.

I know, you know Jane take that tin foil hat talk somewhere else.

I'm sorry.

Like, oh, the earth is rounded.

We went to the moon.

I know.

Just call me wacky.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was New Mexico representative Teresa Legger Fernandez asking, asking representative Jason Smith to share this part of the legislation that the house just passed.

And he refused.

to do so.

I

don't want to read it to you.

I'm not reading it to you.

So again, they are going to eliminate the excess excise tax on tanning beds because apparently the pro tan lobby has got a lot of weight.

Well, I mean, as we all know, there are people in and and the representative says this and further the comments about this whole thing is that there are certain people who are in

power in Washington who enjoy having Tanner maybe orange-ish skin who knows but knows you know it it benefits it benefits all who want to have their own tiny bit and I just want to make something very very clear when people try to push the narrative that this bill was passed with overwhelming authority it passed the house with 215 votes opposed was 214 votes two Republicans

didn't or two people did not vote sorry but one republican voted present so this is not the overwhelming voice of america as as a conduit made by the representatives from various states this was a treading the very thin line and it's barely making it over the finish line says to me that this is going to be a fight in the senate

It will be interesting.

I mean, we have Ron Johnson who is saying, and there are several senators who are saying there are not nearly enough cuts in this bill.

We need more shrinking.

We need more,

more cuts.

We need to take more away from you in the firm of Medicaid, Medicare.

But don't worry, now you can get a nice tan.

Yeah.

Snap benefits.

Derek Van Orden, where are you on that one?

I thought, not a nickel, not a single nickel.

Your words, your...

Words not a nickel my vote dot wi.gov.

Sorry.

I'm now in the point where I had this because I get so mad That I don't want people to think that I believe in you know that I don't believe in the system I'm skeptical and sad But we have a voice we can affect change.

It doesn't take very long You do this tell your friends and then get out there and vote

I don't believe, I can't believe that this is, no.

I see glimmers, I have to see glimmers as well.

Speckles, glitter.

People like these representatives who are bringing to like these stupid amendments.

And then you got a guy who's like, I'm not reading it to you.

Yeah, I just want to read it to you.

I don't like you.

Can you read?

That's a different day question.

That is a different question.

Speaking of reading, this is also something that popped up this morning that I find really, really interesting considering

I believe it was last week.

Yeah, we talked about President Trump, who was in cutter.

Mm hmm.

And he was talking about one thing.

And then he went off on Sean Duffy, who won Lumberjack championships.

Yes.

Yes.

So

we actually did a break where I read it to you

because I

think it's important that people understand sometimes when you see clips of the president speaking.

Maybe you're not paying real super close attention.

That's why I think it's really important to read the transcript.

Yes.

Because to me, that's even more impactful when you can see the words.

And Jane, if you want to read the transcripts, you can simply go to the White House website and see that, right?

Not anymore.

I'm sorry,

what?

NBC News reporting the White House purges transcripts of Trump's remarks.

from its website.

Yeah, I White House telling NBC it's decided to post only videos.

The one transcript still online is Donald Trump's inaugural address.

But that great transcript from when he was in Qatar, talking about Sean Duffy running up and down trees.

That's gone.

I think Jane, one of the reasons why you I agree.

you have to read the transcripts or as I have proposed that we might do down the road is take those transcripts running through an AI voice generator and maybe let, you know, a child read it.

But the thing is we're so used to his visual look, the sound of his voice, his mannerisms and the fact that he like the way the words he chooses, even when he invents words like what was the one he, he invented a new word that's actually a word that's been around for hundreds of years.

He's done that with several

words.

that we're so used to it that we don't really take into consideration how truly sometimes that insane man talks.

Yeah, when you read that transcript, it was like worms boring holes into my head because it's utter nonsense.

It

makes no sense.

According to the White House, the idea behind removing transcripts is that people get a fuller and more accurate sense of Trump by watching and listening to him

as opposed to reading a transcript.

I don't know, I found it really, really enlightening reading the transcript.

As opposed to just watching the video.

It

really gives a sense of context and reality.

That would be

important.

But don't worry, it's all good.

White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt said, quote,

The president's remarks are live on the website for every person in the world to watch for themselves.

The Trump White House is the most transparent in history, unquote.

Oh my God!

Okay, I just want to say this really quick.

Regarding the word he invented, this was the quote he said, basically what we're doing is equalizing.

There's a new word when I came up with, which is probably the best word, equalizing.

He thinks he invented the word equalizing.

He also thinks he invented the word groceries.

But again, yeah, we don't need to read the transcripts, we can just watch the video.

I have a feeling someone on the web will step up and take over this responsibility.

Now that the White House doesn't want you to read the transcripts, I have a feeling that someone on the web will step up and do that.

And it starts with the transcripts, then they take down something else.

Then all of a sudden it's White House Plus, it's a streaming service that you have to pay for to get the absolute in-depth things from the White House.

be part of the no.

It's this is all about not being transparent, having a shadow government in the guise of Elon Musk and his buddies.

This is all about taking away the liberties and freedoms that you guys care about so much.

We're going to continue.

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We're going to lighten things up for the rest of the show.

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Today it is the fictional fiction edition.

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Brittany Merleau, multi-award-winning meteorologist at Civic Media.

It's time for a little weather and wine.

How are you doing, Brittany?

Good, good.

A little chilly still.

Can I wine about that?

Absolutely.

We are in Wisconsinites.

We are entitled to wine about the weather.

It's written in our Constitution.

Okay, good.

Perfect.

Because I am.

I'm still got a little space heater.

I'm in a turtleneck still, and I know these temperatures are getting warmer, but they're still well below where we should be.

I mean, like Hayward was the cold spot of the state this morning, wasn't it?

30 degrees.

Burr.

30 below freezing up north still.

So we're still seeing frost advisories going out again tonight, tomorrow night, Saturday night, then it should stop.

Is that just for far north though with those freeze warnings because I think a lot of folks have their They got their flowers in the ground.

They got their flowers in the pots

Yes, most of it stays far far north, but some of it could start to creep towards the Fox Valley So just keep a heads up just in case but otherwise a lot of it staying mostly north

Well, we've had quite a bit of rain the last couple of days and I know people are sick of it, but we really needed it

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

We really, really did.

Honestly, there's not much of the state in a drought.

There's a moderate drought right along the state line, but still abnormally dry, far north, far south.

So when we got a good widespread one inch of rain, two inches in places, I mean, east of Madison into Watertown, Fond du Lac, West Bend area, you got over three inches of rainfall.

Wow,

dang.

Yeah, yeah, it's good news.

It is.

I've been keeping an eye on those rivers too.

They're only rising to about action level at some places.

None of them are actually flooding.

So this is good too.

That's good.

Well, hopefully now things will dry out a little bit because I'm sure the farmers have been trying to get into the fields and it's just been too wet.

So what kind of weather do we have coming up?

Say, I mean, it's going to be a long weekend.

What kind of a long weekend are we going to get?

Oh, a perfect one.

A comfortable one.

Not hot, not sweaty.

It's not going to get humid or 70s or 80s or anything like that, but just sitting right there in the 60s.

We'll be in the low 60s tomorrow, mid 60s on Saturday, upper 60s by Sunday, and then we'll be flirting with about 70 degrees on Memorial Day and into next week.

And then we really start to warm things up.

That's when the 70s start to surge back in and we're cruising into summer.

like no problem.

But we do have a small chance of a few spotty showers that want to sweep through Memorial Day in the afternoon.

But the high pressure is so strong it's trying to keep itself.

So I'm going to throw those chances in there just so it doesn't dampen any of your plans on Memorial Day.

It'll be later in the weekend.

Otherwise, you're good to go.

I mean, get outside.

This is gorgeous, gorgeous stuff.

Greg doesn't want to mow his lawn.

He was hoping that it was going to rain all weekend.

Hey!

Not cool, Robert Frost.

You're not alone.

First of all, nobody wants to.

I want to mow my lawn because it sort of turned into a no-mow may that even though I have.

thoughts on that.

But also, I just love hearing Brittany use the word flirting when it comes to the weather because it's just like they're flirting with four days.

That's why she's a

multi-award

winner.

I know.

So many awards.

They're all like, they're all right there.

But also something I came to the realization, Brittany, is that when we talk about rainfall, and it always seems like we either need it or like it's too like, it's too much.

Yeah.

But also like when you say things, there was an inch to three inches of rainfall.

My brain is so

Train to snowfall that one to three inches of snow is not that big of a deal But one to three inches of rain is like huge It

is it is huge.

I mean if you think about it in a thunderstorm You usually get a downpour of let's say quarter of an inch to three quarters of an inch

That's not even inch yet.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

So when that thing is pouring, pouring, pouring, you think it's never going to stop and then it moves out of the area.

Well, that's kind of what we had, right?

But it was long and thankfully it was so long that it didn't overflow those rivers.

It was actually the perfect storm.

Yeah.

No kidding.

It kind of took its time again dumping all this moisture, which was good.

You had mentioned and we didn't have any effects from this big dust storm that they had in Chicago.

Yeah.

You asked about that and I was like, what?

But this was a major, major thing.

It was those winds started whipping.

They're in drought conditions.

This was last week,

right?

This was last Yeah, so right after those storms came through those winds started to be crazy and yeah So that happened and they went from great visibility a super sunny day just like today and it went down to zero visibility as this huge dust cloud rolled in I mean it looked like something you'd see out in the southwest the desert something you know not here in the Midwest right um

I was getting reports from some places in Wisconsin where they saw a lot of dust, especially with the farmers kicking it up and little dust, Natoes and stuff, but nothing like they saw.

So I was curious if it made a way it's to you guys or not.

Did not see any

of that.

No.

Do we know, did this recent rain kind of tamp down some of those problems that they're having across the border?

Yes.

Yes, it did.

It's helping them as well.

So it was much needed.

Good.

Because I don't want those problems.

I mean, that's hard to breathe in.

Those are particles you don't want in your system.

So.

Well, and the

other, the other thing too, with, with these rains, was it not last summer, the summer before we had all that smoke from those Canadian

wildfires,

which in my memory has never had never happened before.

I've never seen that before.

And we don't want to see that again.

So hopefully.

This system stretched into Canada too in some of those spots.

I can only hope because, yeah, you know, the effects of just this warming climate and things like this is what we're going to see more and more often.

So welcome the rain, even though it's dark and damp and dreary and it affects our moods.

We need it.

We need it.

We absolutely do.

Brittany Merleau is Civic Media's meteorologist.

She joins us every Thursday at this time.

We have a little weather and wine.

Thank you so much, Brittany.

Really appreciate your time coming up next news.

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Good morning, Paul.

How you doing?

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Doing great.

Glad to have you.

I was going to ask you about this a couple of weeks ago, and now that it's finally been resolved, we can really dive into the big push-push controversy, Paul.

Please, please explain this.

There should be backup

music behind this.

Yep.

It needs

a

theme song.

It does need its own theme song.

So I've tried to become the foremost expert on the tush push that exists.

So I'll do my best.

So first of all, the the tush, the Packers petitioned the NFL to ban the tush push most successfully employed by the Philadelphia Eagles.

They run it with Jalen Hurts and

previously with Jason Kelsey to great effect.

For those who don't know what it is specifically, it is a quarterback sneak that is typically run on third or fourth down with one yard to go, where Jalen hurts the Eagles quarterback, takes the ball and is pushed from behind by two or three additional players, running backs, full backs, et cetera, through the line.

It's very very effective.

It's successful like 92% of the time And nobody else seems to be able to run it as effectively as they do the controversial part is the people pushing him from behind quarterback sneaks are very common plays And so that is specifically what the Packers petition the league to ban now the tush push ban did fail.

It is still allowed The league needed

to have no more than eight no votes, there were 10 no votes.

And so the tush push will remain in effect.

The people will be able to run it.

What's been controversial about it from a Packard perspective is that there's been a narrative that's developed that they're kind of soft for proposing this ban.

People have kind of made fun of the Packers for it.

They lost to the Eagles twice last season in the season opener in Brazil and in the playoffs.

They viewed, they're kind of viewed as some revenge.

And I want to be, that's all not true.

Everything about that narrative is incorrect.

And so I am here to tell you the actual story of the tush-push, the move from the tush-push getting back.

All right, so.

The fact of the matter is that most of the league wants to ban it and hates it But for rules changes to occur they have to come from a team The reason the Packers were chosen to put this out there is because two reasons hey the Packers don't have an owner The owners do realize that this looks soft and bad for them to propose no owner wanted to be the owner that was trying to Just get one over on the eagle so

The Packers have no order and be the Packers president mark Murphy is an outgoing president Right.

He will not be around to take flack for this next year And so he was the perfect vessel to put this forward The fact that it didn't pass

is a reflection on just how much the owners care about looking soft.