Money And Fabulous Prizes…To Have A Baby (Hour 1)

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Coming up after the 9.30 news, Dr. Kristin Lierly is going to be joining us.

She now has her own show on civic media.

That's right.

Saturdays and Sundays.

We'll talk a little bit about that, but we're also going to talk about the Trump administration's efforts to increase the birth rate.

And some of the things that they're kicking around, this is not policy yet, but some of the things that are being discussed is paying people $5,000 if you have another baby.

I'm curious if that's enough to convince people, yes, I'm gonna take on this enormous, probably the biggest responsibility of my life for an extra five grand.

One-time payment.

One-time, one-time only.

So we're going to talk to Dr. Kristin Lierly about that and many other things after the 9.30 news next hour.

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It kind of is.

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We're going to be talking about the endangered species list.

Yes.

This is something that some Trump officials are talking about.

We don't need this anymore.

We don't need the endangered species list and habitat.

Shabbat at yeah, who cares if we destroy habitat does that really qualify as harm

doesn't affect me my house is fine

Yeah, so David Drake's gonna be joining us after the 10 o'clock news and then as we always do for the last half an hour of the show We're gonna lighten things up with audio Sorbet I am so excited about this

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That's all on the way, so I hope you can stick around for that.

I did want to start out just with a brief mention about the economy.

When Donald Trump took office, the U.S.

had a 2.4% GDP growth in the last quarter of 2024.

Now, the U.S.

economy shrank at the start of Trump's second term.

The GDP has fallen to 0.3% at an annual rate in the first quarter.

The stock market is reacting to this as well, not in a good way.

No, but luckily, oh, and just today, in the past 30 minutes, the Dow has dropped nearly 700 points.

Yeah.

And just as a reminder,

On January 29th of 2024, January 29th of 2024, Donald Trump posted this, this is the Trump stock market because my polls against Biden are so good, investors are projecting that I will win and that is driving up the market.

So he claimed credit for the stock market when Joe Biden was still in office.

Today,

This is Biden's stock market, not Trump's.

And then

there's a whole host of all caps defenses.

And I mean, looking at it right now, it is at the end, he begs you to be patient.

Not my fault, though.

No, it's not mine.

No, it was mine when it was good, but it's not now.

It's not none.

Not now,

Joe Biden, the man you accused of being.

incapable of doing the job somehow engineered, as Calvin said earlier, somehow engineered the economy to tank four months after Trump.

Calvin, he's pretty, I mean, that's pretty remarkable, Joe Biden's mental acuity, apparently, or not.

Yeah, I mean, to orchestrate the economy, one of the largest economies in the world, to be on an uptrend and then miraculously drop out in four months, that

That's like Evil Genius, Lex Luthor type style.

It's like how you set your thermostat, you know, at a certain time to go down.

It's automatically

programmed.

He programmed the economy to tank just about the 100-day mark.

Well, actually before, let's not let's not kid ourselves.

But yeah, exactly.

That's

all Joe Biden.

Well, either he's an Evil Genius or he's completely incompetent.

I don't know.

I would kind of think you'd have to pick one.

Yeah.

But anyway, that's just a little snapshot of where the economy is.

as we come on the air.

Cindy from Appleton is on the line.

Good morning, Cindy.

What do you want to say?

Well, I was just going to say, you kind of stole my thunder that, of course, you know, who's going to blame Biden.

Oh, yeah.

Everything's going to be Biden's fault, Biden's fault, Biden's fault, no matter what.

Unless it's something good, then he'll take credit for it.

But I'm telling you, this man is such an embarrassment to this country, to all of us.

I still just don't believe anybody even supports this moron.

Well, and I think what disappoints me, Cindy,

is when I look at how Donald Trump behaves and he did an ABC interview last night, he is so insulting to people.

I mean, and to their faces, and all I can think of is, would you want your kid to behave like this?

Is this the example you put in front of your child and say, when you grow up, I want you to behave like that?

Honestly, Jane, at this point, I kind of think that because they see him as

Maverick as a as a lone wolf.

He's

straight shooter

straight shooter.

He talks, you know, he speaks truth to power You are the power and that and we're not gonna play it because it is unhinged to listen to it and frankly it's embarrassing But that interview he did on ABC talking about MS-13 was just and I also want to address a comment week that we didn't get but an earlier show got where We don't want the country to tank.

No,

we don't want

Tariffs to tank our economy.

We want success and progress and growth and if

that comes very

and if that comes under a president I didn't vote for I am going to be the first one to say congratulations You did a good job.

I am not sitting here going.

Yeah, let's see it.

I'll burn to the ground That's not how we operate and we've never done that and shame on those who say like yeah, you just want to see it go down in flames No, not

at

all that that doesn't help me my family my friends

this

country?

Well, and the one thing that I would like to think that sets us apart from our president is we have no problem admitting when we're

wrong.

Oh, I love me when I'm wrong.

I can I have zero problem.

I don't either.

No.

If we're wrong, we'll tell you.

Yeah.

And and and we'll own it, which I think is important.

I don't know, in adulthood.

Yeah.

Personal responsibility.

Who

talks

about personal

responsibility?

But anyway, it doesn't matter.

I did want to move on to this because this just made me sit up and go, what?

Yesterday, Howard Lutnick,

who

is our Commerce Secretary, he's got a plan for workers of the future.

And it's essentially going back in time from the way that I look at it.

So let's play this clip, Calvin, from Trump Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, about his plan for American workers going forward.

Where are you going to find the people to work here?

Right?

You're North of Phoenix.

Where are they coming?

That's right.

You go to the community colleges and you train people.

So all the community colleges around here, Arizona State's on a Grand Canyon, all these community colleges here are training people right now, technicians.

And these are really good paying jobs.

They started 70s, 80s, $90,000.

These are tradecraft.

It's time to train people not to do the jobs of the past, but to do the great jobs of the future.

OK.

You know, this is the new.

Model where you work in these kind of plans for the rest of your life and your kids work here and your grandkids work here You know we let the auto plants go overseas right now.

You should see an auto plant.

It's highly automated Key is where are you gonna find the people to work here right you're north of Phoenix where they're coming?

Okay, thank you, Kevin Where you working kinds of plants for the rest of your life and your kids work here and your grandkids work here, that's not new Howard no

That's really not new.

I believe Tennessee Ernie Ford did a song about that.

Yeah.

About the company's store.

Yeah, 16 tons.

Yeah.

Does

that sound familiar?

Yes, absolutely.

Um, for one thing, the number of jobs that we're talking about, because automation is here.

Yes.

And it's only going to continue to expand.

Yes.

So I'm not disputing that we should be training kids.

I think that's a great idea.

In STEM, how long have we been talking about getting kids into STEM?

STEM into steam, into vocational colleges, technical colleges, community colleges to get specific trainings.

This is such, I mean, you can go back, I just want to say, I'm really happy that Howard Lutnick has come up with a new model that was, you know, bandied around back in the 80s and 90s.

We need to make sure that some kids aren't gonna go to a four-year college, right?

That's fine and they never were but the problem is is we put so much money on a four-year college and a technical college was seen as they're going to that place Okay, those kids are gonna get jobs that are recession proof that are high paying union jobs.

He's talking about nothing new Nothing at all.

Well, and correct me if I'm wrong if you worked in a factory if you worked in a factory for for most of your life

Is that what you envisioned for your kids?

Is that the future that you envisioned for your children to do the same job that you did for 25 or 26 or 27 years?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

I'm genuinely curious.

I know for me, growing up, my parents' whole thing was they worked their jobs, they wanted their kids to go to a four-year college, they wanted their kids to quote unquote, have better.

They didn't have bad.

But they wanted us to do more.

I think that's what every generation wants.

But now we have to look at what qualifies as better.

Maybe a job that he's talking about that does have a high pay that requires specific training.

But then state and federal government has to make it easier to access those

those that education.

Yes, that kind of training.

8-5-5, 7-5-2, 4-8, 4-2, that's 8-5-5, 7-5, Civic.

And again, factories are getting automated.

Factories are already automated.

You're gonna have thousands of robots in one factory, maybe a hundred workers to handle those thousand robots.

Yeah, and as far as I think you said before the show, manufacturer buildings that do a manufacture declined in this country.

But that's what they want.

They want to build build build and that's not happening in this economy So where are those jobs that he's talking about gonna go to it's It's it's great talk Jane.

It's great talk.

It is great

90,000 who doesn't want to make $90,000 that'd be

great

that'd be wonderful I'd love for my kid to make that kind of money if not more but It's just once again.

It's a whole bunch of words and not a lot of plan

8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 we're gonna keep this conversation going if you worked in a factory

Is that what you envision for your children to follow you into that?

Your grandkids too?

And your great, great grandkids?

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If you see me coming better, step aside.

A lot of men didn't.

A lot of men died.

One fist of iron.

The other will steal.

If the right one don't get you, then the left one will you load 16 tons.

What do you get?

Another day older and deeper in debt.

St.

Peter, don't you call me, cause I can't go.

I owe my soul to the company store.

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Right before we went to the break, we were talking about Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who essentially said,

We're gonna send everybody back to factories and their kids are gonna work in the factories and their grandkids are gonna work in the factories and it's all gonna be just great So I was wondering if that is what you envision for your children 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 PJ on the live stream says my father was a welder at AO Smith if I had kids I would not envision them working in a factory Conditions are horrible.

Yeah

Again, I understand some of what Howard Letnick says.

These are not line jobs necessarily that he's talking about.

He's talking about more sophisticated jobs to handle the automation that is gonna, that's taking over.

It just is.

Yeah.

And it's something that tech schools and vocational schools have been talking about for decades.

Long

time.

There are plenty of, there are so many jobs out there which require training that come from tech schools, vocational schools, apprenticeships,

that pay great money, job security for life because they don't go away because your work, you know, whether it's a plumber or a carpenter or working on a line and automation.

But you didn't come up with this yesterday, Howard, this has been around for a long time.

And if you're going to do that, that's great.

Then you need to work with, I'm sorry to say this, the Department of Education to create systems which allow young people to get information, access and.

money to go to these schools because they're not, they're not as expensive as a university, but they're still not cheap.

Right.

So yes, let's, let's manufacture more, let's build more, let's get more high tech paying and the high paying jobs.

Great.

You start.

Well, I know we're like,

let's not forget is the one who said not too long ago that those jobs overseas where workers are putting screws into iPhones, those are coming back here.

So I guess you can look forward to your kids.

Putting screws into iPhones, because that's kind of what he talked

about.

By the way, Howard does have kids of his own.

Oh, he does.

They're not working in factories.

No.

Howard Lutnik named his two oldest sons, 27 and 28 years old, to take over his business.

at Cantor Fitzgerald

LP.

Which is what, Jane?

It's a hedge fund.

Oh, I'm sure that they are running everyday operations and Howard has nothing to do with it.

By the way, I don't know if you know this, Jane, or our listeners and viewers.

Howard Lutnik is a billionaire.

Is he?

Yeah, he's not like, you know, usually the secretary of labor has labor, a labor background, union, or just, you know, came up to the trades or whatever.

They worked in those worlds.

Not Howard Lutnik and not Howard Lutnik sons.

Yeah, and he can talk a great deal He'd be like we should do this and do that because at the end of the day he's still gonna be a billionaire

No matter what happens for I would say for the vast majority of the Trump cabinet no matter what happens to the economy They're all gonna be just

Fine.

Whether it's money or consequences for their accused crimes.

They're all fine.

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Thanks for joining us.

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I wanted to share with you that our representatives are not listening to us, and that's why we have these crazy conversations, where we make sense for what our legislators are doing.

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8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 talking about working, working for a living.

And again, Howard Lutnik is not talking about anything new as far as you worked in the factory and your kids work in the factory and your grandkids work in the factory.

If I am wrong, please let me know.

I always thought that those folks would like to see their kids do something else.

Well, also, I mean, I just want to believe that if I'm working in a factory and my child works in a factory, it's not my child, it's my adult child who gets the job when it's appropriate, not, you know, what I can foresee him saying like, well, they're 12, they can push around a broom.

They can do something.

They can do this.

You know, it doesn't matter.

They're learning.

It's about the learning experience.

So yeah, when they're talking about...

child and grandchild, that's fine.

But when they're of an age to do the kind of work that those jobs require as far as like, you know, mental acuity.

Not the case in Arkansas.

Child labor laws.

It's so old fashioned.

Push on.

It's so old fashioned.

All right, we got news coming up next.

And then when we come back, Dr. Kristen Lierly will be here.

$5,000.

If you have another child, would that do it for you?

Is that the convincing you need?

We'll kick that around on the way.

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How are you?

I'm so well.

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We're good.

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How is the show going?

Where can people hear you?

What are you talking about this weekend?

So I am on at 3 p.m.

up in Northeast Wisconsin on WISS and WGBW and of course the Civic Media app, of

course,

and also available as a podcast anywhere you get your podcasts.

So this weekend we are talking with my son Abe.

Nice.

He's

such a lovely young man.

He is a nice young man.

How old is Abe?

Abe turned 26 yesterday.

Wow.

He's like in the

Kelvin zone.

He is.

He is.

So we're chatting about Gen Z stuff and their perspective on what's happening in the world, lack of opportunity, what they see for their future.

It's actually a really delightful conversation.

They all are.

I mean, if you listen last week, I talked with Pat McBride.

If you haven't heard of Pat McBride, he's from Wauwatosa originally.

This is a fellow who is the former Dean of Students at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health.

He was the first Bat Boy for the Milwaukee throughers.

So many stories.

He tells Euker stories.

He gets a little tearful at the end about Junior Bridgeman.

They were good friends.

It is just, it is a love fest for Wisconsin.

And he also brings in all of this NIH research stuff, which is really the meat of the conversation we had last week.

You know, the university is really suffering already because of these NIH cuts.

It's not like you can just, once this money is gone and this research is.

has been stopped, there are studies that can't be picked back up again.

So it is the impact on the state of Wisconsin, on the people of Wisconsin.

Did you realize that every dollar spent on the University of Wisconsin returns $10 to the Wisconsin economy?

Sounds like a pretty good ROI there.

Yeah, I think it's something we should keep around.

We should keep around.

Well, and the whole the whole fact that some of these research studies

Once they are halted, I'm assuming you have to start, you have to go back to ground zero, right?

Once this funding stops and this research stops, now you have to, now you've got to start all over, which just seems so cost effective and so far thinking and so far reaching.

I had no idea that the University of Wisconsin is one of the top 10 research universities in the whole country.

And

if it wasn't for military investment, there are a lot of bigger research universities, but they get a giant investment from the military.

We don't get that because we're not on the coasts, but there's so much other stuff we do, especially

biotech, the bio industry that is generated out of the university.

Things like Coligard, that came out of the University of Wisconsin.

Exact Sciences is a product of the University of Wisconsin Epic Systems, the medical record that we use most hospital systems use to keep track of your medical record.

That came out of the University of Wisconsin.

It is just a generator of ideas and resources.

And it goes the other way too.

So when you are

out in Sawyer County and you have an issue in your environment somewhere, you bring it to the extension office and the extension office brings it back to the university.

And the university then works on that problem and solves it and provides you with the answers that you need.

This is the Wisconsin idea.

This is the whole point of the university.

It's not to be the elite in Madison.

It's to serve the people of Wisconsin.

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You can hear her this weekend on Saturday and Sunday.

One of the many reasons we wanted to have you on Dr. Lierly is because of this suggestion from the Trump administration in order to help bolster the birth rate, they're kicking around the idea of paying $5,000 bonuses to new moms, also menstrual education programs, and a medal of motherhood.

for parents with six or more children.

You are an OBGYN.

Yeah, I prefer this has been done before.

Hitler did it and so did Stalin.

And I think the Hitler plan was better than the Stalin plan because Hitler started at four and then I would be eligible for a medal.

So if

I had to

pick one, yeah.

Yeah, I, according to the, the, the research I did when I first, we've been talking about this for a while as there was, there was an honor for four, an honor for six and an honor for eight.

If you

were

a woman in Germany having that many children.

And I just have a really quick question before we start this regarding the low birth rate.

First, is there actually a low birth rate that's threatening America?

Because I feel like we hear from Elon Musk, who we can't even get into his, his.

situation with that.

But this administration and this mode of thinking is always talking about more kids, more kids, more kids.

Are we at a place in this country where the amount of children being born every year is threatening some sort of safety or the economy or life in general?

Like, I seriously have no idea myself.

Yes.

Okay.

And we've known that this has been coming.

This is why the baby boomers have been a concern for a while because when the baby boomers retire,

which they all are now, that is the generation that uses Social Security and Medicare and all of the entitlements.

And in order to keep those entitlements rolling, we need more people paying in.

If there's no Social Security war chest, it's not like there's a bunch of gold somewhere and we're just taking gold out of there.

It's a budget item.

So we have to have people paying in in order to be able to provide those benefits that

All of those folks have paid into

their

entire lives.

So they are do that, and we owe that to them.

But in order to make that happen, we've got to have enough people in the workforce to do that.

We saw this in Europe years ago.

They've had a low birth rate for a long time, and we've known this is coming in the US.

So yes, this is a real problem.

But this is not the right solution to this problem.

The solution is responsible childbearing, meaning

education, information, health care.

How do we expect people to want to have babies when they can't even access health

care?

Yes,

especially in this state.

Well, in any state, I mean, we're seeing hospital closures all over the country, especially in rural areas.

And we've talked to you numerous times, Dr. Lierly, about how in some instances, women have to drive an hour and a half.

in order to go see their OBGYN when they're pregnant.

That is not conducive to having six, seven, eight children and a $5,000 one-time payoff.

Come on.

The fact that they're even bringing this up as something that might be a valid answer to this should insult all of us.

Well, they're so transactional.

It's all about, you know, I'll give you $5,000 and you have a baby and then that's the end of the deal.

It's

all about negotiating a deal.

It's not about an actual investment in the future of not just the future of this country, but our own personal futures.

I mean, we're talking about if you choose to have a baby.

That sets your life on one path.

And it's a different path than if you don't choose to have a baby.

So you really have to be in command of that decision-making.

And let me just say, having a baby isn't like going to the store and buying a pair of shoes.

It changes your body.

It changes your health.

Things can go wrong.

Things can go wrong for your health that can...

that can really change your future, you may have a baby that has special needs

of

some sort, and that is actually fairly common.

So that also changes your life.

There are so many things that you as an individual have to take into consideration.

It's just not a $5,000 deal.

Well,

when you're dealing with patients, and again, you are an OBGYN, you actually deal with pregnant people, that's your job.

I would think that if you would bring this up, they would just laugh in your face.

I mean, sure, everybody could use an extra five grand.

That would be great.

But as you said, what about the long-term support systems that we need?

What about we can't even get this bipartisan measure into the assembly to expand Medicaid for 12 months?

And this is a bipartisan thing, but Popcorn King doesn't want it, apparently.

So we'll see what happens with that.

But those are the kinds of things

that would encourage people to have larger families in my estimation, better schools, childcare, which is still a major issue, a major issue in Wisconsin and across the country.

And these are all things that I don't know, the Republicans are like, la, la, la, la.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

And head start.

I mean, look at all of these programs that help disadvantaged, underrepresented, vulnerable populations that are going away.

And you know, I'll be honest, some of my patients,

Do our short term thinkers, they're not thinking about this is what my baby's gonna cost in the future.

They're like, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

So I can understand how this kind of an offer would appeal to some

people.

They're

just trying to get through the day.

You know, they're just trying to figure out how they're gonna get to the grocery store and pay for their groceries because that is the society that we have created.

It is such a short term.

I'm just trying to make it kind of society instead of

I can vision what the future might look like because all of my basic needs have been taken care of.

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Brian from Milwaukee is on the line.

Good morning, Brian.

Thanks for joining us.

What do you want to say about this?

Good morning.

Yeah, just a few things.

You know, it's funny because I was talking to my mom yesterday, and I told her about this $5,000 deal, and she just busted out laughing.

And she said, Brian, you have to look at my point of view.

She said, when we had you and your brother, Mike,

You're both twins between what's going to happen.

But she said, I had to have an emergency C-section.

You were three months premature.

You were in the hospital for about three months.

And you had to have a whole bunch of surgeries just to make it if you were even going to make it.

And this was back in the 80s.

She's like $5,000 ain't going to cut it.

That's nothing, Ryan, right?

Especially in your mom's situation, $5,000 is nothing.

And then there was the special education and all that, and yada, yada, DVD.

I mean, we turned out fine.

But it's like, when you're now cutting programs like Department of Education and research for, you know, like autism research and stuff like that, it's like, you gotta be kidding me.

You know.

Thank you, Brian.

We're coming up against the break.

We're going to move on.

Cindy will take you on the other side.

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We're going to talk about.

This is being discussed also under the Trump administration, getting rid of the endangered species list.

Oh heck, if we destroy something's habitat, does that really equal harm?

Hmm, we'll talk about that after the 10 o'clock news with David Drake right now, though Dr. Kristen Lyrely is here host of the Dr. Kristen Lyrely Show weekends here on Civic Media, and we're talking about the Trump administration's efforts.

ideas they're talking about to increase the birth rate in America.

Dr. Lairly, during the break, I looked back.

It seems to me that, I mean, this has been a long time discussion, and the concern about the birth rate certainly goes back several decades.

This isn't anything new.

What I found was, since 2007, we've seen the birth rate declining, and this is happening not just in the U.S., but in other countries as well.

this $5,000 one-time payment offer just doesn't seem to be realistic.

I mean, as Anne on the live stream says, $5,000 is a deductible in health care.

Oh, it's way less than my deductible.

Really?

And that's another thing.

Even if you have health insurance, that doesn't mean you have

Access.

Remember back in the day, I used to be a medical assistant at the University of Wisconsin Hospital and I had great health insurance because it was through the state.

I had a very low copay.

I could afford my insurance.

It was great.

I went to the doctor when I needed to.

Now I'm on the exchange.

I have a deductible.

It's like $8,000.

I pay like $700 a month for just me.

I know my partner's a police officer.

His insurance is not great either.

His colleagues skip visits.

Well, they skip visits because they're guys, but they also skip visits.

You know, it's true.

They also skip visits because it's expensive.

You know, if you're looking at a giant deductible, you're going to say, I don't know, maybe I should look at TikTok or maybe I should just Google it and figure it out for myself.

And that is no substitute for a healthcare provider who can provide you with individualized care based on your specific circumstances.

But it just means.

that we are not getting the care that we all need as individuals, even if we do have health insurance.

Yeah, a not broken health care system that would probably help encourage people to have more children, expand their families, better public education and access to education.

Certainly their child care, access to child care, all of these things, but this $5,000 one time payment.

And again, this is just being kicked around.

But I still think it's worth acknowledging that this is what they're talking about.

And then giving motherhood medals for moms with more than six kids.

Didn't Nikolai Chichescu do this in Romania?

And then after he fell, they had to open up the orphanages, which were full of children because of their forced birth policies.

That is true.

And when Hitler instituted this back in the day, it actually ended up costing the government a lot of money to produce the medals and do the ceremonies and all of that.

It became a very expensive endeavor.

So this is not like a government cost-saving thing.

This doesn't make any sense.

on so many different levels.

You know what makes sense?

Investing in the infrastructure in our country so that we've actually got a social security system that works, a Medicare system that works, and that will actually make sure that people can get the health care that they need.

Childcare.

Childcare is such a crisis in Wisconsin.

Governor Evers has called this the year of the child.

If you live in a place like Oconto County up here just north of Green Bay, your ability to get childcare, I think only a third of the people who need to access childcare are able to do that.

Everybody else is just kind of piecing it together.

It shouldn't be this way in the wealthiest country on earth.

If we actually want people to have more babies, we need to support

families.

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Cindy from Appleton, thanks for joining us.

Cindy, we just got a couple of minutes left.

What do you want to say?

Well, I got two things.

First of all, if we raise the cap on Social Security, we wouldn't have to worry about having children replace those of us who are leaving, because if the rich paid their fair share, that would put Social Security in good standing for many, many, many decades.

And my second thing is, are they going to pick and choose who they want to give these $5,000 checks to for babies?

Because if people of color start having babies and getting that $5,000, then they're just going to become welfare babies.

That's a great point, Cindy.

Thank you.

And I've heard that discussed before.

They even talked about this on Fox and Friends or something saying, oh, no, but what about women and people who are just going to take advantage of this to get the extra $5,000?

Well, let's be clear.

This is to encourage white women to have babies.

And that happened with Hitler, too.

There was a purity test.

You couldn't have any Jewish ancestry and be eligible for these medals.

So this is not about Americans having babies.

This is about more white babies.

And it ties into the whole misogyny and racism issue.

giant issue that we are struggling mightily with as a country right now.

Meg from Mosquigo texting in a national immigration policy would go a long way toward fixing the population replacement issue.

Of course, that would mean demographic change, which this gang in the White House cannot seem to tolerate.

Bingo.

Tough to

argue with that.

Yeah.

What do you want to do, guys?

How do we fix these problems when we're throwing all of these political answers out there?

Remember, Kamala Harris, when she was running for president, they also offered a similar, this is a problem that needs to be solved, so they offered a tax cut.

That's more reasonable in many ways.

Aren't there

already?

But

still.

But there's already child tax credits that people get for having kids, right?

It still doesn't solve the problem.

The problem is we need a better infrastructure for families in this country.

Dr. Kristen Lierly, our friend and our colleague, check out her show, The Dr. Kristen Lierly Show.

Thank you so much, my friend.

Take care.

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He is back.

It's been a while.

David Drake is a wildlife specialist with the Department of Forest and Wildlife Ecology at UW Madison.

So glad to have you back.

David, how are you doing this morning?

I'm good, Jane.

Thanks so much for the invite.

Always happy to be back on your show.

It's so much fun.

In the last half hour of the show, David, now we call it Audio Sorbet, where we try to lighten things up a little bit.

And we're going to be talking.

I'm so excited.

It's Fat Bird Week in Wisconsin.

So we're going to talk about that after the 1030 News.

But nice.

Something I wanted to talk with you about on the serious side, because I find this concerning.

The Trump administration is talking about the endangered species list and suggesting that it should go extinct.

And one of the things that I found in an article was essentially, if we destroy the habitat, does that really constitute harm to a species?

And then I found another article about the importance of wetlands and how birds are really, we talk about birds being the canary in the coal mine, they literally are when it comes to our environment.

right

yeah they are as are many other species like um you know i i i think a lot of times of amphibians salamanders frogs toads things like that that are um in direct contact with soil water um and depending on the species you know they absorb water through their skin or air through their skin and so they are super sensitive to

to both point source and non-point source pollutants.

So if the environment that they are in is polluted or toxic in some way, that they are a lot of times the first to be affected because they are so much in direct contact with that soil and the water and the air.

And so they are also truly kind of the canary in the coal mine, so to speak.

But yeah, the Endangered Species Act is just for a little background for the listeners who

I'm sure everybody's heard or most people have heard the Endangered Species Act.

Unfortunately, it's become a bit of a polarizing federal piece of legislation, despite the fact of how beneficial it has been.

But the Endangered Species Act was passed in 1973.

It was passed as one of a mini.

different pieces of federal legislation that were aimed at improving the environment.

So the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act, Endangered Species Act, and a number of other acts were passed in the 1970s.

And the 1970s has been termed the environmental decade because of the volume of federal and state legislation that was passed to protect the environment.

So the Endangered Species Act protects

We have, you know, the Endangered Species Act protects primarily wildlife and plants, but it also protects fish, you know, snails, clams, aquatic vertebrate and invertebrate organisms as well.

And I should say that, well, I totally disagree with what the Trump administration is doing right now in terms of attacking the Endangered Species Act.

This is nothing new.

And since the Endangered Species Act has been enacted in 1973, there have been many attacks to weaken the act.

And as a matter of fact, there have been many relatively famous court cases that have risen to the Supreme Court level of the United States in an attempt to weaken the Endangered Species Act, especially the part of the act that impacts and has oversight over private lands.

And so there's a lot of conflict between private lands private land ownership what that land owner wants to do on their land in terms of developing the land It may be extracting resources off the land and how that would impact negatively endangered species or species that are rare or declining in population again being primarily focused on Plants and wildlife although there is a famous case about a snail darter in a river in Tennessee for example

a couple of decades ago.

So just for background, this is nothing new.

The Endangered Species Act has been under attack.

So do you want me to stop talking and answer your questions or do you want me to go?

I know it's going to get a little dense for some people about going into great detail here.

So let me know how much detail you want or you don't want.

Well, I think that's a pretty good foundation.

I do want to just jump in and say, I'm 65.

I was a teenager in the early 70s, but when I read things from the early 70s, the Cuyahoga River in Ohio started on fire.

It started on fire because it was so polluted.

So I think for people my age and certainly younger,

we don't appreciate just how bad things were up until the 70s when they started going, gee, maybe poisoning our water and our air might be bad.

And I guess when you brought up the snails, and this is what I think gets a lot of the news attention, so I have...

My land that I want to build a mine on or whatever I want to do and then someone comes up and and says there's a snail here that if you wreck their habitat we're gonna lose this snail and Is the snail really that important?

Why should I have to worry about the snail?

But it's all of a piece David, isn't it all of these things Are part of our ecosystem and part of what keep us healthy?

Yeah, it is

There's some, I think, built-in tensions here, because with the Endangered Species Act, nothing is resolved in terms of bringing populations that are endangered back to a sustainable level, whether you can remove them from the Endangered Species Act or you can reduce them.

their status from being endangered to threatened.

And so threatened is better than endangered is.

It's still the species needs protection, but it's not as in an apparel state as in an apparel state as endangered status would be.

But so there's a tension there where with endangered species act things don't happen quickly But a lot of times when we're trying to develop property or we're trying to make decisions on private property We're trying to make decisions in a shorter much shorter time frame and so you have this tension between time scale for one thing But you also have this tension between what's good for for the private landowner

if it'd be an individual landowner, for example, if they want to develop their property to create a residential community of houses, or if they want to develop their property to create some commercial property.

That benefits that individual landowner because they sell that land and they get some money for the sale of that land.

What they're trying to do with the Endangered Species Act is to balance, create some kind of a balance or a compromise between societal good, what's good for all society or most of society,

Compared to what's good for a single individual landowner and that that also is inherently full of tension and that's what a lot of these problems are Where these problems are coming down is is not so much that people are concerned about endangered species on public federal land But it's primarily this tension between private land rights the rights of a private landowner and trying to balance those with

of the good for society.

If you're just joining us, David Drake is our guest.

He's a wildlife specialist and a professor with the Department of Forest and Wildlife Ecology at UW Madison.

We're talking about the Endangered Species Act.

Something, David, and actually combine what you're both talking about going back.

In 1973, you talk about the fact that this has been a very hot button issue.

In 1973, my remembrance, even though I wasn't alive, I know the history.

Both Republicans and Democrats were in Congress and they passed this bill and Richard Nixon signed this bill into law.

So the fact that it started in a bipartisan nature to help our country, I think is important to remember.

But also the other fact is, is because of this act, because of the work that people like you and your field have done for decades, they've also helped to get animals off of that list to protect them and to help grow their population.

Is it a matter of people think, well,

you know the the you know the the this this

animal that

was the gray wolf is is it's fine now so we can we can take him off the list and we can hunt him and because there's plenty of them now is that the thinking or is it just that they don't care

well i i think i'm gonna probably uh not use the gray wolf as an example because that is a uh that is more of a political issue than is a biological issue by biologically

There are a sufficient number of wolves in the state of wisconsin that can be sustainably harvested So it is a it's a political and it's a legal uh issue as to why that that species is still on the endangered species list But if we pick a species like the whooping crane for example Which is a species that doesn't exist in in wisconsin as an experimental population, but there's a there's a endangered population of whooping cranes in the united states Those species are slow to recover and and there are a lot of

there are a lot of valid criticisms against the Endangered Species Act.

And there's not, if you look at the history of the Endangered Species Act since 1973, very few species have actually come off the Endangered Species Act because they're not recovered simply because...

There's either insufficient resources to recover them.

There's insufficient habitat existing that can be restored to recover them.

And there's other issues going on with that.

But I think what the Indigenous Species Act is trying to do is obviously they are trying to recover species to a non-endangered status, which is a very valid goal to have.

But they are also recognizing that there is this tension between private lands and the societal good, and they are building different mechanisms into the endangered species.

So, for example, there's a program called the Safe Harbor program with red-cod-cage woodpeckers and other species.

But, for example,

with red-catacled woodpeckers, which is an endangered species of woodpecker, that they are allowing private landowners to harvest timber and to do some development on their land as long as they maintain a baseline of woodpeckers on that property prior to whatever exploitive or commercial development opportunity goes on.

There's also the 4D rule.

It's in section 4.

D is in Delta.

And that also is trying to provide flexibility to landowners so that they can harvest timber, for example, and still try to sustain and provide habitat to support the northern long-eared bat.

But what's going on with the Trump proposal here is they are trying to remove this issue about habitat protection.

And it's not just that...

you cannot harm, kill, harass, injure endangered species.

And that all makes sense and that's very, very clear cut.

What they're actually attacking is this idea about you need to provide habitat protection for species both in their current habitat, their current range, but also their historic range to some extent.

And that's what they're attacking.

And if you remove the protection from the habitat, you'll be essentially gutted.

any effort to protect species recovery.

We're going to continue our conversation with David Drake.

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He is a wildlife specialist and professor with the Department of Forest and Wildlife Ecology at UW Madison.

David Drake.

is here.

And we are talking about the Trump administration wanting to make some changes to the Endangered Species Act.

I saw one Trump official essentially say, because scientists have brought back dire wolves, which that's a whole nother conversation.

Did they see Jurassic Park?

I don't know.

But yeah, we don't need it anymore.

And before we went to the break, David, we were just talking about habitat and

It just seems so short-sighted to me.

We have talked many times about butterflies and the decreasing population of butterflies, birds.

We have lost millions and millions of birds over the years.

They play a critical role when we talk about pollinating and things like that.

That's a really critical link that you can't just say, let's get rid of their habitat.

It's all gonna be fine.

We don't need them anyway.

As I said, it's all interconnected.

It is yeah, and I you know, I don't want to get too political on your show here, but I think the Trump administration has been pretty Transparent about the fact that they are anti science They are trying to weaken or eliminate as many regulations as they possibly can for extractive mineral resource use

things like that.

And they're doing it in a bunch of different ways.

I mean, they're taking legal challenges, executive orders, they're firing federal scientists.

And so I think that this is just another attempt to kind of weaken regulations so that kind of the business industry.

can have an easier path to, um, continue to increase profits.

And

I, that's my, that's my opinion.

So I'm gonna, I'll just add on, that's my opinion,

but

I'd say an expert opinion,

but, but, and I guess I can understand the frustration to some point.

If I am a landowner and I want to do something with my own land, why should I have to, I worry about the brown snail or whatever it is.

But again, if you look long,

term, you have to look at long term at the ramifications of this and essentially to make some accommodations for this.

Yeah.

Doesn't seem unreasonable.

If we kill each other all off, there's not going to be anything to extra.

No, there's not going to be anyone to do the extracting.

Yeah.

No, I totally agree with you, but I think, you know, I think this administration is coming at it from an economic perspective.

And in economics, you know, you are looking at a short-term gain more often than you are for a long-term

gain

and I mean you just think about think about economics generally we Other than maybe saving and starting a college account for our kids when they're born as individuals we do very I think I think a very poor job of long-term economic planning And I think that this is just an indication another indication of that

I think there's also, you know, with this administration, there's also an underlying foundation that they just do not believe in science in certain areas of science.

And I think that this is an example where they...

They don't think that it's necessary to protect these species, or that we can recover them if we need to.

We can use technology and genetic techniques and whatever, using the dire wolf as an example, that we can recover these species.

But if you can recover the species, but they don't have anywhere to live in terms of the habitat that supports them, you have essentially cut off your nose despite your face.

I think that they believe in, as we've seen with their work on the National Weather Service, they believe in science.

science when the science tells them that they're right.

Yeah.

And

then it's not science anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, we've gotten to, again, I don't want to, we're ranging into some, some topics that

we don't have to go.

Be

careful about.

Birds are

great.

Birds are great.

But as a society right now, as an American society, we are struggling to agree on what facts are.

Yeah.

And that is a dangerous place to be.

In the minute and a half that we have left about the minute that we have left David What can people do in their own backyards to help support our birds and other creatures that we need?

What can we do?

Yeah, so let me let me just say about this indigenous species act really quick so that by federal law they have to open This rule this proposed rule to remove the habitat protection.

They have to open that to public comment So if you are as a as a individual

Member of society if you are interested in protecting the indigenous species act and not allowing this rule to be removed One of the things you can do is go and make a public comment And I think you haven't told me 19th to do that if I remember if I remember the date correctly But go make a public comment contact your your congressional representatives You know fund Donate to nonprofit organizations that are helping to

protect the environment, things like that.

Individually in your own yard, make sure you don't let your cats outside.

That is an easy one

and a big one.

Keep your cats in the house,

I'm telling you.

It's one of the best things you can do, both for the cat and for the wildlife.

You know, make sure that you are aware ecologically about what your footprint is and where you live in terms of, you know, the actions and impacts you can have on the environment, both locally and globally.

And I think that is a really good starting point.

David Drake is with UW Madison.

He's a wildlife specialist and a professor with the Department of Forest and Wildlife Ecology.

We love having you on the show, David.

Thank you so very much.

Really appreciate your time.

Thank you, Jane.

Always good talking to you.

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Right now, we are being joined by Emma Schatz.

She is the Digital Communications Coordinator with the Natural Resources Foundation of Wisconsin.

Good morning, Emma.

Thank you so much for joining us.

I saw this headline in the Milwaukee Journal set, and I'll Keith Uleg with the byline from the Green Bay Press Gazette.

It says Wisconsin Fat Bird Week celebrates Junko in the Trunko and other chunky feathered friends.

I laughed so hard, I almost had coffee coming out of my nose.

I think that's one of our better names for the contestants.

It's so good.

It's so funny.

So tell us about Fat Bird Week in Wisconsin.

I can't believe I have never, I have never heard of this before.

I know of Fat Bear Week.

They do that in Alaska.

That's a big thing.

They do Fat Bear Week.

And so when did Fat Bird Week in Wisconsin get going?

So last year was our first time doing it.

So this is only our second year, and we were inspired by Fat Bear Week.

So we

actually reached out to the comms team at Katmai National Park, and we got their blessing, their permission to take our own speed.

So what better way to do it with birds in Wisconsin?

That is so funny.

Well, tell us first of all, Emma, what is the Natural Resources Foundation of Wisconsin?

What is it that you do?

Yes.

Yeah.

So we are an environmental nonprofit and our mission is to protect Wisconsin's lands, waters and wildlife.

And so we provide funding and we lead partnerships and connect all people with nature.

And so our work spans all across the state.

And so how does Fat Bird Week work?

What do we need to do to be involved in Fat Bird Week?

So every day, starting this Friday, May 2nd to May 9th, the public gets to vote daily for their favorite Fat Bird.

And so we have eight incredible, chunky, very round, very fluffy contestants.

And so they compete.

in different matchups.

So it's a single elimination bracket style tournament.

And so the first round of voting opens this Friday at 9 a.m.

You can just go to our website, WisconsinConservation.org.

And the first round of voting will be open for 48 hours.

And then the second round opens at 9 a.m.

on Sunday.

And that will remain open for 24 hours.

And then all of the following rounds will open daily at 9 a.m.

You'll have 24 hours to vote until the final round on Friday, and then we'll announce the winner on Monday, May 12th.

I'm very excited.

Yes, you are very, very, very excited.

really quick just just for just for our more you know is there a website on draft kings i can find out odds on who's got one you know the bra we're a very bracket heavy uh society now so i i have to imagine there's someone looking at this going i got three to one on the well-fed yellow warbler

yeah

so

something new we're doing this year is we are encouraging like either Workplaces or friend groups or families if you wanted to do kind of like a March Madness pay-to-play situation We have a bracket that you can download on our web page So it's whiskonservation.org slash fat bird week and so you can you know donate some money To play with your friends or your family and submit your predictions so

And really, I'm assuming, Emma, that this is just to raise awareness and get people interested and excited about all the nature that we're surrounded with here in Wisconsin.

Exactly, yeah.

So the main point is to celebrate our native bird species, but also learn how to help them.

So we are partnering with SOS Save Our Songbirds, which is another bird conservation organization, to share ways that we can help protect.

these birds because you know there's over in wisconsin alone there's over 60 bird species that are listed as either endangered, threatened or have declining populations and there are small changes that we can make at home to make a difference and so we're trying to you know bring the community together in a fun and engaging way but then also have that educational aspect of sharing ways that we can help protect them.

And what are some things that we can do Emma?

What should we be doing in our own backyards?

Yeah, so SOS Save Our Songbirds has three main ways to help protect Wisconsin's birds and that's planting native plants.

So whether you have a big garden or just a balcony, there are a bunch of different plant species that you can do.

Also preventing window collisions, that's a really big issue.

There's, I think,

Let's see.

I know I have a stat.

Yeah, this is was shocking to me, but up to 3.5 billion birds are killed every year in the US after flying into glass And so, you know, whether that's fixing a window in your home that tends to be a problem for birds or on a larger scale working like with your

office or a larger building to try and prevent those window collisions.

There's a lot of ways to reduce those deaths and resources on sosavorsongbirds.org.

And then the third one is drinking bird-friendly coffee.

So not a lot of people are aware that most coffee is grown in ways that destroy migratory songbird habitats.

And so there are a couple brands that we

SOS recommends you can switch to to help protect migratory bird habitat as well.