Where In The World Are Wisconsin Congressmen? (Hour 1)

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Right now, though, we are delighted to have joining us live, Representative Mark Polkan.

Good morning, sir.

Thanks for making time for us today.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

Thanks so much for having me ask your consumer person something if you would please sure I noticed a huge uptick on fake emails about my social security account

ever

since doge Started messing around with our data

And

I think that people have gotten very wise to try to rip people off because a lot of people tell me They're constantly checking their statement to make sure that nothing's happened

to her

because they don't trust these

folks at Doge, but I think that's made the number of people trying to rip people off increase.

So for your listeners, that might be useful.

That's an excellent point representative.

We will absolutely bring that up next hour with Lisa Schiller wanted to start off.

There's a lot of things to talk about going on in Washington, but I wanted to start off with the tariffs.

Depending upon you talk who you speak to.

It's either the greatest thing in the world and the most brilliant thing America has ever done, or this is a disaster.

And I was very surprised to see this comment from the president of the MMAC, Dale Koinga, who was a longtime Republican in Wisconsin, and then took over at the MMAC.

He calls the tariffs, quote, one of the largest tax increases in US history, unquote.

It's kind of interesting how once you get away from the inner workings of the party that I don't know, you can say true things.

Yeah, so unless you're a big fan of videos of monkeys throwing dung There's no reason to really like The tariffs because Trump's tariffs are tax on all of us when they're done in this indiscriminate way now I'm gonna be real clear I support targeted use of tariffs if you're dumping cheap steel from China We need to support our steel industry and the workers here We should put a tariff on it and there's other things that we should especially with China use strategic tariffs, but strategic

use of tariffs is smart, throwing dung is not.

And what they're doing right now is the equivalent of throwing monkey dung by putting tariffs on absolutely everything without, you know, any thought whatsoever.

You know, it's again, it's a concept of a plan, not a plan.

And at that point, it becomes a tax on all of us.

So I rarely say I completely agree with the head of the MMAC.

Right.

But

Yeah, it's true.

It really does.

It adds costs for the average person and for a small business owner.

It's really volatile because then you don't know what to charge.

I mean, I could tell you we have a small business still and I don't do anything day to day there.

But, you know, different contacts that you get, you don't know where a tariff's coming or not or now they're postponed.

And if you don't have that kind of consistency, it's really hard to do your day to day business sometimes.

So there's a lot of problems with the way tariffs are being handled right now.

I think that's something that you know what you just said now here.

We're looking at like whether you're talking about tariffs or you're talking about Doge or you're talking about immigration.

They're all great ideas when you walk in the door say we want to we want to take a look at overspending.

We want to take a look at tariffs.

We want to take a look at our immigration problem.

Then set up panels, talk to people, have long term planning, execute those plans over years.

Maybe if you have the luxury of having a second term, I mean, he won't hopefully have a third term.

But

That's not the case here.

We don't people were trying to share videos of President Clinton.

He he fired 377,000 people Well, they were let go over a six-year study that looked took in all these accounts of what's going on That's what we could do, but we're not he just comes in with a literal chainsaw and says this is what we're doing and we're doing it now get on board or you are un-American

Yeah, I mean I could make a good argument for using some targeted tariffs that we could

Figure out how to do that.

Although honestly trade policy is better than just throwing tariffs out there.

It's better to have it Yeah, so everyone knows the rules and it's consistent, but

But by not doing that and not really having a plan and then putting tariffs on countries that don't have people and, you know, all of this stuff, it becomes, you know, who can actually think what we're doing is policy, right?

It's not.

It's just Donald Trump's whims.

And the problem is, you know, we saw what happened and is happening to the stock market because of those whims.

I just heard, I was listening to BBC a little bit this morning and they were talking in a business program about how really it's the U.S.

market that's off.

Everyone else is kind of going, oh yeah, there is that crazy guy again.

But they're still trading pretty well.

But we're just hurting the people of the United States right now because of what's happening.

And you know, that's supposedly the opposite of what Donald Trump wants to do.

But you know, you never know.

I think the other thing is last week when he said, okay, buy stocks now.

And then he put the 90 day pause on like, you know,

This is corruption.

I we see corruption right left in this administration But when you signal for all those same rich people that can afford to belong to Mar-a-Lago or can get this tax break that they've been You know, it's their holy grail for the year This is also like a signal to them to make money and you know

We need a president that's fighting for us, not just a few people.

Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has said, because she has admitted that she made a whole bunch of money when that happened, but she's not involved in it at all.

Her traders do those things.

Of course, not that anyone would tell the traders that this might be coming, which would give you a little heads up about that.

What is the likelihood that there will be any kind of legislation cracking down on insider trading within Congress?

There already is legislation.

I'm a sponsor of what we've had in past sessions as well because I get inside information bluntly from companies in district from sitting in classified briefings from being saving the experts in the in the world, but especially in the country coming and talking to me.

So I shouldn't be able to buy stock like everybody else that that is inside information.

So there's legislation introduced and Hakeem Jeffries just said he supports it, given what we just saw.

The problem is, do you think that Mike Johnson is going to say, you know, it's the right thing to do?

No, I just don't expect that to happen.

So all the rich members of Congress that buy their own stocks in trades are still going to make a lot of money off this.

And we're going to continue to lose respect for the institution because of it.

But until we have a change in who's in charge, no.

Well, and unfortunately, forgive me, but I do think it's important to point out that this is a problem on.

both sides of the aisle as far as as far as members of Congress getting really, really wealthy.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, you know, half of my colleagues are millionaires.

I'm not, you know, you gotta try harder.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I just got to buy some stock, I guess,

you

know, so much better off.

But, you know, that's the problem is a lot of people, you know, congressional salary is like spending money, not like income, not like a job.

And, you know, when they don't have to live in the same way as our constituents do, you know, then you're not making decisions in the same way.

You're making decisions with a certain class of folks that you hang around with that do do stock trades and things, you know,

like the

rest of us.

probably fill our tanks and gas.

They're doing these other things.

And that's part of the problem with the way Congress is made

up.

If you're just joining us, Representative Mark Polkhan is our guest taking time out to give us a...

half an hour to kick things around because there's a lot of things going on in Washington.

Representative, I want to go back to something you talked, you mentioned small businesses.

And we know that small businesses really are a major driver of the economy.

And certainly the attention that Governor Evers gave to small businesses during COVID really helped Wisconsin weather that storm.

And these tariffs in particular have got to be crushing.

Just crushing for our small businesses in Wisconsin.

What are you hearing from folks?

Well, let me just use one sector just to give you an example.

And that's agriculture, right?

Our number one trading partner.

If you're a bigger farm.

And you don't have to be a big farm, but a bigger farm and you're trading overseas I mean your number one trading partners Canada number two is Mexico number three is China Those were the first three countries that got tariffs, right?

So already you're disrupting that level of agriculture Then if you're a small farmer or like the guest I brought to the State of the Union He's got a CSA in about 90 a hundred families by their vegetables and dairy from him the milk bottles that he

What's the milk in for them?

The raw product comes from the US, goes to Canada.

They're made in Canada.

They come back to the US.

They're going to get tariff twice on the way there for the raw product and on the way back.

And the price of milk bottles is going to double.

Well, that means we all pay more for milk from a farmer like that because of tariffs.

So just a market like that alone is hugely impacted.

But what small business can you walk into anywhere in the United States where there's probably not

you know a large number of products that are made in china or some other country and you know if you can't guess where the tariffs are today because it's a constant roulette wheel of the daily tariff levels um then how do you know what to charge sometimes you'll absorb some of those losses but only for so long sometimes you're going to raise prices but then you don't want to raise prices if

three days later or two days later, how Trump's going to lift them.

At the end of the day, if you want to make things in the U.S.

and I want to make things in the U.S., you need industrial policy to make companies make things here again.

And the only way you're going to do that is by helping, you know, those companies to do that, but it's not going to happen in a week or two to do that.

You know, it's often years to build up that production to do actually in the United States.

So, you know, there's like a broken clock is right twice a day.

Donald Trump, I guess,

can be right twice a day, but just he's doing it in a completely wrong way.

Well, and there's even questions about the mathematical formula they used to decide what level of tariffs they were going to institute on certain countries.

I would feel better if they had used something from Schoolhouse Rock.

At least I would know that that was based in some form of reality.

Look, do you trust the guy on numbers who thinks he weighs 224 pounds?

I am just not trusted this guy on numbers, period.

Representative Mark Pocan is our guest.

When we return, we're going to talk about Mr. Garcia, who is still, we assume, alive in a Salvadoran prison.

And so far, the Trump administration seems to be just ignoring

The ruling of the Supreme Court will continue our conversation with Mark Pocan on the other side.

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Representative Mark Pocan is our guest talking about some of the many, many goings on in Washington.

Representative, we did want to ask you about the case of

Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

The Trump administration maintains that he is a member of a gang and therefore they were justified in sending him to this prison in El Salvador.

The Supreme Court essentially said

You need to bring him back.

You need to facilitate bringing him back.

And yet the Trump administration maintains they can't do that.

He's in El Salvador, a sovereign country.

The president of El Salvador was in the Oval Office this week saying, yeah, no, we're not we're not bringing him back.

What's next?

Yeah, well, I think you know this is the we've been waiting to see what challenges Trump is going to do to various court orders The good news is and it is good news.

We've had over 60 positive adjudications out of courts over 40

Three it's probably now 45 different judges including Trump appointed judges Against things he's been doing so we're doing pretty well with the rule of law Including this decision by the Supreme Court the question is at what point when you can't appeal it or do anything else

what happens if he doesn't comply and right now it seems to be a debate over the word facilitate which is idiotic but you know if he can do this with someone who didn't do anything wrong and this was an anonymous tip about this person which no one else has has said is true that this person is a gang member so you know trump is just

Trying to save egg from his face and I think he's afraid that other people could be challenged if he loses this challenge

So he

just wants to stay awful, right is what he's doing But I think you know right now chris van hallen senator from maryland who used to be the head of the budget committee in the house when I first got to congress One of the best and smartest members truly of the senate just landed this morning Excuse me in el salvador to try to get more information to figure out what's happening.

So I'm hoping

I mean at some point you know as the the legal challenges happen on this we'll see where we get with Donald Trump But the fact that they're so awful that they won't return someone they admit was by Man, you know at what point this is not a government for the people by the people This is a government run by a tyrant to want to be king and we've got to stand up to this guy more

and what does it say about two world leaders who?

I mean, it would be one thing if either president said, I won't do it, but they're both saying, I don't have the power.

Well,

what

power do you have then?

What

can you do?

You could have put the man on the plane when the president came from El Salvador to America.

I'm sure there was room.

Yeah, I mean, you know, but Abbott and Lucas Dello had conversations like this, right?

Who's at first?

What's at second?

I don't know, is that third?

Like, you know, I wish I remembered as a kid, I remembered the whole layout of that.

But, you know, that's what they're kind of doing right now.

But it's going to be, where does the legal challenge stop and what happens when you don't follow a legal challenge?

This may be the first high profile one.

The good news, and again, I'd like to share good news.

I did my podcast with Liberty and Justice for some last Friday with Josh Coll will play it soon.

And one of the things he made a point of, and I thought was really interesting, was he said, you know, and by and large, they're following the court orders.

When the court says you got to do something differently, the Trump administration is following it.

So the rule of law is working.

And, you know, I'm not a lawyer, and I've never been maybe the biggest fan of the legal lawyers in general, but right now they're saving us.

It's litigation and communication that's working for us.

So this just may be one of the highest profile challenges, but.

By and large, we are winning when it comes to court orders.

And I do want to clarify something, Representative, because we are accused of your supporting gang members and you want to allow gang members to run free.

The whole point of this case with Mr. Garcia is due process.

And if they don't have to do due process with this man, why should they have to do it with

anyone, including American citizens, there is a really chilling article in the bulwark that we will include in our show notes talking about, now I'm afraid to leave my own country because I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to get back in.

Yeah, no, I mean, you know, if they can go after here, what next?

You know, we know he's got a lot of populations he's targeted.

He has an enemies list.

And then, you know, what else can he do to folks?

without due process.

And that's what we are as a nation of laws, right?

So that is important.

But also think about it.

Anyone that you want to, you know, try to get in trouble, you can just say that they're a gang member or whatever anonymous tip.

And if they can be disposed of, sent out of the United States, I mean, I'm feeling, yeah, is that to have as some kind of a template for future action?

Absolutely.

Representative Mark Bocan is our guest.

Let's talk town halls.

It seems like

Some are some of our elected officials are holding town halls and others not so much

Yeah, well, I saw Marjorie Taylor Green just did one and they tased one of the protesters outside I'll leave that to just everyone you know hearing that but I'm doing a town hall tonight in Monroe in Green County in my district and then next Tuesday I'm doing one in Derek Van Orden's district in La Crosse at 5 p.m.

Because we want to make sure that we're doing

you know, town halls where members aren't listening.

And Derek Van Noren has never done an open public town hall in over almost now two and a half years.

So I'm going to again try to show him how to do it.

He's invited.

I'd love to do it with him.

But if he's not going to come, I'll be glad to pick up the slack.

We also had a question from Andrew on the text line who said, please have representative Pocan tell us what is the best way to get our politicians to listen to us?

Yeah, I mean, don't.

Let them get away with being cowards, right?

That's what Derek Van Orden's doing right now.

He's hiding in his basement instead of having public Tom Halls.

Actually, to be fair, I think he's on an international codel right now to Greece.

Tough, tough gig.

A lot of Republicans, there was a reporter actually going around asking, a lot of Republicans are doing international codels during this in-district period because they're afraid of their constituents, which I find amazing,

right?

The country rather than go home.

But, you know, if they're having meetings at the chamber,

then be outside there and make it a town hall.

Whatever they're doing, make them have to have a town hall and invite the press because the more the press is rightfully so upset if you're not going to have accountability.

Every town hall I've done in Derrick's district, we've had great media turnout for that very reason.

So don't let them get away with being chicken.

Don't let them get away with not listening to you.

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Really appreciate

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Yeah, thanks as always.

Thanks so

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What's up?

Well, I'm just calling because the six to nine slot here in the green main market is Mino and the mayor.

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It's like, but you're a, you're a mensch.

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We really appreciate it.

We were talking to Mark Pokan.

Yeah.

Before we went to the news and he is having a town hall tonight and we'll be having another one.

And that kind of got us onto the subject of

who is doing them and who is not.

Town Hall's good for thee, but not for me.

One of them would be Wisconsin's own Tom Tiffany.

Oh, the man who really wants to get us a national

park.

And apparently wants to be governor.

That's kind of in the background.

He hasn't officially announced that, at least not anywhere that I have seen, but I've seen some

Scuttle, but that Tom Tiffany would like to Chatter there's been chatter that he would like to be governor this from WSA WTV We want a town hall with Tom Tiffany as people pick it outside.

This is Yeah, dozens of people last month lined up outside Republican Congressman Tom Tiffany's in office in Warsaw Tiffany has not held a public town hall or a listening session since the end of January

He did though make time to attend a private event in wassa They love their private they do like the private events because I would assume I have never been to one of these But I'm assuming that there are some requests for money at these private events.

Oh, yeah, I mean the the dinner that Derek van Orden did it was it was a Lincoln dinner.

I believe they always have their Lincoln dinner was

like right right

40 or 50 bucks to get in to see

Sweet, sweet, Derek Van Orden speak about, or yell at you depending on

where he is that

day.

Yeah, Tom Tiffany didn't have time, doesn't have time to meet with his constituents, not his regular constituents anyway.

I'm sure it's probably different if you're a donor.

That might be a little bit different, but he does have time, much like Ron Johnson, to make a stop by Fox News.

Calvin, let's play this little clip from Wisconsin's own Tom Tiffany talking about how wonderful is the world of Doge.

You know, the Department of Government Efficiency has identified plenty of savings.

There is plenty of room to find the savings out there as has been identified over the last couple months.

And that's part of the reason in the polling that you're showing there, Maria.

It shows what is it.

Almost two thirds of Americans are saying we can reduce spending.

They've seen the news stories about Doge and what they are doing.

There's plenty of room to get those savings.

Oh, I don't disagree with that.

There are savings to be found, not with a chainsaw, which is the way that they're doing it now.

That is not, at least in my estimation, the most efficient way to achieve their goals.

And don't forget that savings, that's going to come the government's way, quote unquote.

We passed along to multi-millionaires.

and billion, not you, unless, unless lawyer, loyal listeners, you are a multimillionaire or billionaire.

If so, can I have some money?

But that'll be sent to the richest people, not us, not the middle class, not the working class, not the working poor, no one who can't give hundreds of thousands of dollars to a sitting Congressperson or Senator.

I almost feel like we should have a different name for the different their constituencies.

Yeah.

The ones who donate.

and the rest of us.

Yeah, well, I mean, really, it's still the donating 1%.

They'll be fine.

Yes, they're gonna

be

just fine.

They're

third and fourth and sixth

boat safe.

It's all good.

It's all good.

Speaking of town halls, Indivisible Tosa has invited Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson to attend a town hall meeting that is happening tonight.

It's going to be a Denizen MKE that's on 42nd and Valete in Milwaukee.

This is open to the public.

It starts tonight at 6.30.

Again, the town hall meeting with or without.

This is from their own press release.

Their town hall meeting with or without Senator Ron Johnson will be held tonight, 6.30 p.m.

Denizen MKE that's at 4227 West Valete Street.

In Milwaukee, it's an opportunity.

I don't take a flat run.

Oh, a big cardboard cutout.

Make sure those eyes are blue and empty.

Flat run.

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Cindy, you're back from Appleton.

Cindy, you were at a town hall last Friday.

Yes, and before I say that I just want to say I don't know why they call it the Lincoln dinner because wasn't Lincoln the one that overturned slavery

He was

and aren't these the people trying to reach return slavery?

I don't get that then they don't seem to be connecting the dots Anyway, I was at the weedless town hall last Friday here And it was pretty well attended like standing room only

great.

Hmm.

What

were you here?

Well, we were hit everything education Social Security Medicare Medicaid, you know healthcare issues I mean just give the gamut everything I mean everybody's concerned about everything and price is not coming down and tariffs and giving money to the rich and of course There's been talk about him declaring Martial law and every all these other stupid things, but you know, I guess it was a room full of people and a lot of people spoke

And, you know, there's quite a few people that didn't, but for the most part, it was, like I said, it was very well attended.

People were angry.

And he was as a cardboard figure standing there with one of his fingers in the air.

It wasn't the one finger.

It was his first finger.

But I went up there and I said, Tony, I know what finger you're really giving us.

Yeah.

And so

was that the one in the pier?

It was, it was the community center last Friday with Dr. Leier Lee and Mark Beyer and Julie Hancock.

She sent us a photo of that event and she said that they will be releasing

audio from that event in the coming days.

Thank you, Cindy.

Appreciate it.

Alicia on the live stream says we had veteran after veteran stand up and talk at the weedless town hall.

Yeah.

I don't think Tony weed has held any, has he had held any public events?

No,

of course not.

He's being uninvited to dinners.

He's not a stable leader as far as like reliable.

They don't, he's just, he's not a.

an apt Congress person, if you ask me.

He's the guy who got news that I love Trump.

And for some people, that's what it meant.

And

for the people

who were like, Dozier's doing a great job.

They're like, that's my guy.

And he's not talking to the people.

And it wouldn't be hard to put together an event where you're talking to your people to at least say, I'm out there.

But these guys, as you said, they're cowards.

They're going to their paid events.

They're staying indoors.

They're going overseas.

And meanwhile, as Cindy put it, people are angry.

And people

are hurting.

Yes.

And people are hurting.

Tom from LA on the live stream also pointing out Bernie Sanders and AOC have been traveling around the country and drawing huge crowds in areas where you would not expect like Idaho and Utah.

Big thousands of people.

Hundreds of thousands.

Hundreds.

In some cases, hundreds of thousands of people.

Yeah, it's been.

It's been something and I, correct me if I'm wrong, I assume these are not all Democrats who are showing up to these

things.

It's just like we talked about with Susan Crawford election two weeks ago, my God.

It was only two weeks

ago.

Only two weeks ago.

When a politician wins by 10%, that's not all one party.

There are people in there who are voting for whatever reason they are, and the message is getting out there.

And once again, we want our politicians to stand up for us, the working people, the people who are doing what we're supposed to do in the American dream.

and contributing, not just passing over us to say, well, let's just make sure the billionaires can buy an

island.

We

need to take care of them.

Yeah, they're the ones.

We need to take care of them.

Yeah, absolutely.

But yeah, if you want to, I don't know, feel a little bit better.

Yeah.

Just do a Google search for some of the rallies that AOC and Bernie Sanders have been having around the country.

Big, big turnouts and apparently lots of support.

And don't forget as well that

They are supposed to work for us.

Yeah, we pay them.

So call them.

Go to myvote.wi.gov, myvote.wi.gov.

All you have to do is type in your address and that's going to bring up all of the contact information you could possibly need, the phone numbers and the addresses and all of those things.

And yes, it does make more of a difference if you are actually in their district.

And also just...

Be respectful, be kind.

Please.

You're talking to a 20-something year old.

You're talking to an aide.

Yeah.

Yeah, if they don't deserve to be yelled at, they really don't.

All right.

Coming up, the legislatures in Wisconsin, unwillingness to part with money, shockingly, does not only affect blue areas of Wisconsin.

No.

I know, it's shocking.

We'll kick that around next.

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Coming up after the 11 o'clock news, Lisa Schiller will be here from the Better Business Bureau.

Gonna talk about the latest scams going around.

I wanna ask her about one.

I've been getting phone calls from Western Union.

I'm not quite sure what that's about.

Well, I'll check the message before Lisa joins us.

Maybe someone sent you a telegram,

ma'am.

I'm sure they sent me a telegram involving cash.

I'm sure that's what it is.

But as Representative Mark Pokan pointed out, this is also a great opportunity now when we're talking about changes to social security and things like that.

This is a great, and even the tariffs affecting people's savings in their 401Ks.

This is a great time for scammers to try and jump in there.

and

take advantage of folks.

So Lisa Schiller will be joining us after the 11 o'clock news from the Better Business Bureau.

If you have a question for Lisa, text it in now at 855-752-4842.

Last half hour of the show, as we always do, we try and lighten things up a little bit within a segment we call Audio Sorbet.

Wink, Martindale.

Long time game show host has passed away at the age of 91 91 that's really something but that got us talking about our favorite game shows So we're gonna talk about game shows after 11 30 your favorite game shows.

What do you remember about them?

What guests?

What's a host?

who was the best, who was the worst.

Game shows, your favorite game shows after 11.30.

And we will wrap up the show as we always do.

With this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it's the Governor Gunslinger edition.

Stick around for that.

Right now though, I thought this was interesting when I found it this morning in the Waukesha Freeman from Karen Polarski with the byline, Waukesha County DA warns cases might not be charged amid prosecutor shortage.

We've talked about this quite a bit over the last year and a half The fact that the legislature is still sitting on four billion dollars, correct?

Oh, yes.

Yes,

we still have a four billion dollar surplus Money which has already been approved that is still sitting in the joint finance committee, but I guess my greater point is this reluctance

This seeming reluctance on behalf of our legislators part to spend any of this money doesn't affect just blue counties in Wisconsin.

It affects all of us.

And here is the example.

Liesl Boise says Waukesha County has always been short on prosecutors who are state employees.

During the pandemic, it did get some funding from the American Rescue Plan.

It also got some county monies which helped cover two positions.

These grants carried them through the shortage, but as of last year, they are down 10.6 prosecutors.

So ideally for every 10,000 residents, there should be one prosecutor.

Yeah.

Based on that, Waukesha County should have 41 prosecutors

Right now, they have 16.

And when I read that number, I mean, I can't imagine anything gets done when you're short that many.

And that's what the Waukesha County DA is saying is there is not enough staff to cover all of the criminal courts, court commissioners, people to prep trials, charging cases, filing search warrants, all of those things.

None of that stuff can get funded.

Where is that money gonna come from?

And when we talk about crime in communities and cracking down on crime in communities, that means that we need more than just jails, we need people in our court systems to help go through this process.

Well, and that just, I mean, that just brings us right back to where you started from, Jane, is that this is a very unfortunate example of the fact that our

Certain leaders in Madison just choose not to help.

They have the resources.

They're right there.

We've built a $4 billion surplus.

We have money for PFAS.

We have money for education.

We have money for a lot of things that are set to be spent.

And they're just saying, no.

That's, we're not gonna do that.

Not only that, they don't even give us a reason.

They just don't take it up to begin with.

They just don't even, they don't bother even putting it on the schedule.

It just sits there right now, as we said before.

There's still educational upgrades that went into place this past school year.

Back and

forth.

Mandated programs.

Mandated programs.

Money paid for, it's sitting and the Joint Finance Committee will not release it.

This,

is not a difficult problem to solve, at least in the case of walkie-shot.

You can give them the funding to make sure, just to make it go smoothly.

And this isn't, this is helping law and order.

This is what this party is all about.

They love law and order.

They want them to go through the process, then give people the resources they need to do their jobs.

Boise says she was elected to the position, but in order to do her job, she needs resources like people, quote, the state is not giving them to me.

The state agreed to fund these positions many years ago before I even started.

Now they keep saying the budget, the budget.

What I'm saying is public safety is people's number one priority, not just in Wisconsin, but the entire United States.

She's now drafting a letter to the governors and to Wisconsin lawmakers.

She says she's met with many of them, trying to help them understand the gravity of the situation.

It affects all of us.

Yeah, it doesn't matter who you

voted for.

It really

doesn't.

We're

kind of all in this together.

We have news coming up next.

And when we return, we'll talk to Lisa Schiller from the Better Business Bureau.

Stay with us.

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We like to get her on once a quarter if we can to give us a little update about all those naughty scammers out there because

If it didn't work, they wouldn't keep doing it.

Lisa Schiller is here from the Better Business Bureau.

Good morning, Lisa.

Thanks for joining us.

Good morning, Jane.

Thanks so much for having me.

Absolutely.

And that's accurate, isn't it?

These scams are successful, and that's why we keep seeing them because tragically, people keep falling for them.

Yes, unfortunately, that is exactly the case.

I always think, you know, when I do an interview with a TV reporter, I put out a press release or I get on your show, I think, oh, we're not going to get any more scam reports because everybody's listening.

But unfortunately, not always the case.

Right.

And that's why I think too, for folks who are listening, it's important you share what you know and talk to the people in your circle and in your community and let them know what's going on.

Because again,

Not everybody listens.

Everybody's got a life.

They have their own things going on, and you can't possibly catch everything.

But if you learn something, then give folks a heads up about it.

So Lisa, let's talk about what the top 10 scams that are going on right now.

Oh,

OK.

Well, we just released our top 10 report very recently.

And investment scams was number one for the second year in a row.

Prior to that, I know online shopping scams was number one for three years in a row.

So things are

up a little bit investment.

We have it also attached to cryptocurrency because almost all investment scams that we're finding that have been reported to our BBB scam tracker involve crypto.

No.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

So scary stuff.

And it's one of those you know grooming scams just like romance scams which is number three and actually

attached to friendship scams.

We've included that this year because so many people are, you know, communicating with people they think are friends, you know, they're getting private messages through Facebook.

They believe it's from their friend, but you know, the friend has gotten a hack.

That's the big thing.

So yeah, those.

So number one and number three, investment scams, number one, romance scams, number three.

And those are grooming scams where, you know, the scammer kind of leads you on for a little while and ropes you in and then hits you.

is that would that be included in like what I get now the bulk of you know scammy looking things are the the text messages that say hey are we on for golf tomorrow and I and and you say of course I'm sorry this is the wrong number I don't know who you are and it's not so much a

I mean, sure it's bot driven, but it's not so much, they're trying to get you to, I've been told that they want to get you into a cryptocurrency type of situation where they're like, hey, we're going, oh, I'm sorry, my assistant gave me the wrong phone number, by the way.

Aren't you interested, do you want to be interested in this thing?

So that would be a grooming scam.

Yeah, I mean, because while we're engaging with you, well, you know, honestly, Greg, I think,

Um, it depends how long they would, you know, keep conversing with you because generally when I think of grooming scams, think of the romance scams where they, they rope you in, you know, time goes on and now you're, you know, your heart is in it, you're attached.

Now all of a sudden you're in a relationship and two months later, you know, boom, they need money for emergency surgery

or something.

But you know what you're talking about with those tech scams.

We have not gotten reports on that in quite a while, but it's, those are mainly, uh,

where the scammer wants to make sure that there's somebody live on the other.

And

that's why we

always say, resist the urge to say, I'm sorry, what golf game?

So is it best just not to answer them?

I do not answer phone numbers I don't recognize.

They can leave a message.

If it's someone legitimate, they will leave a message and then I can call them back.

Right, Jane.

That's exactly what our advice always is.

You know, just don't answer the phone.

Don't respond to a text message

if you

don't know who they are.

Of course, when I follow my own advice, I miss an important call from, you know, my doctor's office or something.

Oh, didn't recognize that number.

Right.

I mean, honestly, what I was doing is I am a smart Alec.

Jane knows this.

And I was trying to have a smart out conversation with this person.

And then I realized that's probably not the best.

way to go.

And I don't know with iPhones, I have an Android, I have a Google Pixel, and it immediately drops down to Box saying, report a scam, and you can report it and block it, and then it's off your phone.

And that's what I do now.

They send something, I don't recognize it, report and block, that's it, and move on.

Don't even try to be funny, because people will take screenshots for clout on social media.

Just resist, resist the urge.

It's not worth it.

Right.

Right.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And I mean, being a smart out there is so much fun, you know, especially when you're dealing with these scammers.

So I would suggest, you know, if you get, you know, I don't know, like a computer tech scam or something, a phone number, you know, call that, you know, star 67 first.

They can't see, you know, whose phone number they're calling from and, you know, give them a hard time that way.

There you go.

I've got the Better Business Bureau's endorsements

to be the smart

out.

There was one other quick thing I wanted to mention before we moved on was I just filed my taxes this week.

I know, I know, but I just filed my taxes this week.

And one of the most important things our tax guy said was that the IRS will never call or text you for information.

They will send you a letter.

And from that letter, they will then try to set up a phone call or some kind of meeting.

If you get a text,

or a phone call from the IRS, don't wait for an official letter from the department.

Thanks, Greg.

Absolutely.

I agree with that.

Sue, on the on the text line listening on WAU case, as I've had several friends whose Facebook accounts have been taken over.

And then they post all these pictures and stories of how they're making tons of money with crypto.

I bought a new house.

I bought a boat.

When I reach out to them by text, they say they were hacked.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's really the big thing that's been going on.

I think that's part of the reason that our investment scams is number one once again on our list.

We're seeing this nonstop.

In fact, we just scams through social media are up.

I think it's like 64%.

It's really, yeah, it's really high and

Scams through text messages also very high.

So social media, text messages.

When Lisa, when you're talking about these, you said number one is the crypto scams and the investment scams.

I would think that.

The people who tragically are biting more on this are younger people.

People my age are, I'm suspicious of crypto the way it is.

I'm highly unlikely to be swayed that this is the way for me to get my first yacht.

But I can see younger people falling for something like that because they're more open to that.

So this here's the, this is interesting.

So these are part of our statistics.

I had a kind of thumb through them by age.

So 18 to 24 year old, the number one.

uh, scam that they, you know, have reported as employment, followed by online purchasing scams.

And then the third is investment.

So it's in the top three.

But for those age 65 and older, investment scams was number one.

No kidding.

Yes.

I know.

It's surprising, right?

With romance scams being number two and home home improvement being number three home improvement scams.

Well, and you know, our statistics are showing that the reason for that is a lot of the door-to-door stuff.

A lot of the door-to-door stuff is working.

They catch you off guard.

They knock on your door.

Oh, I was in the neighborhood.

I did some work up the block for Joe over at the greenhouse.

And, you know, your asphalt driveway looks terrible.

I happen to have leftover material.

I can, you know, do this job right now.

or again, you know, storm chasers.

I mean, I feel like our weather has just been weird.

I mean, mild can't really complain to it, but a lot of wind, you know, rain, hail.

Um, yeah.

So a lot of door knockers and let's do business on the doorstep.

And especially, you know, people are taking it back and they go, Oh my gosh, really, I didn't see my roof

had

this damage.

You're right here.

It's convenient.

Okay.

If you're just joining us, Lisa Schiller is our guest from the Better Business Bureau.

We are giving it a little update on scams of which to beware.

And after what you just said, Lisa, about people 65 and older, the most who are falling for these investment scams, talk to your parents, please.

Talk to your parents and talk to your grandparents.

And PJ on the live stream says, make sure your passwords are strong.

and change your passwords.

I love my uncle Pete so dearly, but I get a friend request from him from a hacked account probably two or three times a year.

Seriously.

Yeah, it's bad.

You gotta make sure those passwords are strong on social media.

Adam in Oregon, listening in Madison, I'm sorry, NWX CEO says,

answer the scam, I always block the contact, then delete it and report it as junk.

Does that actually make a difference, Lisa?

Well, you know, it's supposed to, but you know, we know that scammers are always coming up with new numbers and new, you know.

lists of various kinds.

The only thing is, is I would say before you do all of that, report it.

You know, report it to our BBD scam tracker.

It's a great online tool, super fast, because it helps us know what's going on and, you know, we can get statistics out there and educational information.

And Matt from Middleton texting in, I have had the toll bill tech scam.

That was really big last month.

And also had a bigger one with someone on the phone saying my info was retrieved in a drug raid and they were really quite convincing.

That's gotta

make you sit up and go, what?

I don't remember being part of any drug business.

You know, that is one of those heinous...

scams, just like the sex distortion scams, you know, where they say, yeah, I mean, it's terrible because, you know, it gets very scary for the person that's receding and especially, you know, we see a lot of, you know, older Americans getting those types of things and, you know, actually admitting in our scam tracker, I paid them because, you know, I was, I don't want to be embarrassed or I

was

so devastated.

I just wanted them to go away

and it's

like, no, you know, heinous.

Yeah.

So that sounds like the same type of thing as that sex distortion.

You've been watching porn and have proof.

We're going to continue our conversation with Lisa Schiller.

If you have a question for her, or you'd just like to comment 855-752-4842.

Brian from Milwaukee.

I see you on the line.

We will take you on the other side.

Stay close.

You were listening to Matt Nair on air on the Civic Media Radio Network.

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Good morning and welcome back to Matt and Air on Air, Jane Matt and Air, Greg Bach.

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Lisa Schiller is here from the Better Business Bureau, talking about the latest most popular scams.

And

they are popular because tragically they work.

Brian from Milwaukee has been waiting very patiently on the phone.

Good morning, Brian.

What do you want to ask Lisa or what do you want to say?

Good morning.

Yeah, just a few questions for Lisa.

I have on my phone a wonderful feature that will actually tell me if it's a potential spam risk or if the number is like censored or privatized in some way if it's like a call from a doctor's office.

And I have two things going on where I am looking for work.

So I'm applying for a lot of jobs and I have my resumes on job boards.

I also have a lot of doctor appointments, so my doctor called me all the time, and I get restricted number because, of course, I don't want to see the number the doctor's calling from.

In those cases, it's best to answer the phone or just let it go to voicemail because if there is a chance where it could be spam, which sometimes it is, and you get the, oh, hi, Brian, you know, we're calling about your car warranty.

Well, you know what?

I haven't had a car in 10 years.

So I would love to have you try on that car warranty.

Do I answer the call or just let it go to voicemail?

And then decide for what to do after I listen to the voicemail, like, oh, block the call or whatever.

Great question, Brian.

Thank you.

You know, that's a tough one because, like you said, you're applying for jobs.

You have doctors' offices calling.

I can totally relate to all of that.

You know, we always say try not to answer the phone if you don't know who it is.

In a case like that, I get it.

It's kind of your call.

I would personally think that both of them being important calls that you don't want to miss, I would think that both would leave a message,

whether

it be a potential employer or a doctor's office.

And that way you can call back.

And my other guess is that they probably run into that all the time because so many people

you know, are not answering their phone when they don't recognize the number for this very reason.

Yep.

We also had one another comment.

A Chris in Jamesville listening in Madison on WMDX.

My aunt passed away last year.

Since then, I have gotten six friend requests from her.

You got to be really careful on Facebook.

Yeah, you do.

Yes, absolutely.

You know, and Facebook has a link, a special link where you can report scams and any type of fraud you think is going on.

So, you know, take time to report anything like that.

I mean, you know, the hacking has just got to stop.

It's so out of control and it's, you know, it's driving all of us nuts.

Yeah, absolutely.

So

you have to report these things.

Yeah, let them know it's there.

It's their platform.

And you had mentioned to Lisa that the number two scam is employment.

Does this go back to

A lot of people having their resumes online, it's on Indeed and all those things.

Is that the connection there?

Yeah, that is the main connection there.

And actually Indeed was the number one platform that they like to use to obtain information.

Yes.

I mean, oh my gosh, employment scams are just they've been coming in fast and freeze really since COVID, you know, because, you know, as we know, the job climate changed so much that and it's continued.

I mean, it's number two still.

So it's it's it's still there.

Yes.

So scammers are, you know, reaching out to people after they find their resumes or information online and, you know, offering them a great position.

And, you know, when you're unemployed, you know, and you you're in need of a job and you're, you know, getting desperate and things are

not going very well.

You want it to be true.

You know, you want to believe it.

So, you know, people go, oh gosh, they're, they're offering to pay me a lot of money.

I can remotely, there are all these great things about this new job.

And so they move forward with clicking on the link.

And then of course, can you imagine all the information they want?

You know, you think you're applying for a job.

So it's not uncommon for scammer to ask for social security number and address and name and birth date and

you know, driver's license, people are taking photos and messaging with that text and email.

So I've got to be ever so careful.

How can you protect yourself from that, Lisa?

Employment scams?

Yeah.

Really, really, you have to do your homework.

You know, if you, first of all, if somebody reaches out to you that, you know, regarding a job that you did not apply for, even if they are claimed that they saw your resume,

Oh, Jane, you sound like the perfect fit for this position.

You have to do your research.

Call the company.

Go on

their website.

Call and speak with HR.

They'll be happy to tell you, you know, yes, this position has been posted or no, this position is not available.

I think businesses now are so used to, especially the big, you know, big name, big company names.

They're so used to having their name impostered, you know, that, you know, this is

doesn't surprise them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Correct.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So you really have to do your research.

Of course, use BBB.org.

You have millions of reports, free reports on companies.

You know, we'll lead you right to their website as well.

It's a great resource, the Better Business Bureau website.

It really is.

You should check it out.

And it is important, again, when you feel you got scammed or you're getting scammed to report it to the BBB.

Please, yes, appreciate that.

I check our scam tracker every day.

So I go through them.

I reach out when I need you or they get posted for other people.

Sometimes it's a complaint.

So we'll let you know that super fast, easy form to fill

out.

I absolutely love it.

Now, after talking to you, I'm assuming that the message I got from Comedy Central to call them back about this great job is not accurate, but I'll check it out later.

Comedy Central

only

has one E. I think that's what German changed.

I'm sure it is.

I'm sure it is.

Lisa Schiller from the Better Business Bureau, it's always such a pleasure.

Thank you for what you do and thank you for taking some time out for us.

Really appreciate it.

Thank you so much.

You guys

have a great day news coming up next.

And then when we return the Golden Age of game shows.

Yeah.

We're remembering Wink Martindale and we're going to talk about your favorite game shows, which ones you loved, which ones you miss, which ones you wish would come back.

That's all on the way.

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radio stations.

Wink, Martindale passed away yesterday at the age of 91.

And he was a longtime game show host.

If you spent any time watching game shows, I remember him from Tic Tac Doe.

We used to watch it in college.

That was the main one for me.

What he was when it came to game shows and Wink, Martindale, I feel like that was the only one I watched of his.

All the other ones were.

Whatever else tic-tac-toe.

I loved

tic-tac-toe.

He did high rollers.

He did debt 96 to 98 And he actually kind of followed a trajectory that a lot of these game show hosts did they started off on the radio Mm-hmm a lot of these guys started off on the radio and then turned into a game show host and wake Martindale eventually became a producer as well But that has got us thinking about our favorite game shows

absolutely

They don't make them like they used to.

That's actually not true.

Really?

Yeah, so I because Pat was saying the same thing his his

Was a complaint his concern was that they're all based in reality.

They're all about like how do I stab me in the back?

How do we be the worst person?

Well, it's

also all survivor based

and that's and that's a lot of reality TV shows and that I guess yeah, you call it's not reality It's a game show.

It's a terrible.

It's a bad soap opera with worse people, but They still have like I was watching I Was visiting a friend in the hospital and we were just sitting there.

They wanted to rest and we were watching

Pictionary in the middle of the and this wasn't old.

This was new with Jerry O'Connell hosting really with some like celebrities from from from sitcoms on they still do these shows Steve Harvey still host the family feud Wow, there are game shows out there.

It's just you know They're midday

right and you have you you have to look for them a little bit more because they were so common in the 60s and 70s

Everybody had at least four or five different game shows.

Yeah

that we're on

and there's a big and there's and well, I don't know how big it is now, but if you if you look on Hulu There's a lot of prime time game shows happening now being hosted by celebrities like you know like they're like the match game and this like if they're out there I prefer personally