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Lots of things coming up on the show today.
Our friend and colleague and host of the
Wonderful Todd Allbop show from noon to two is going to be joining us after the 1030 news.
We have a new Republican throwing his hat in the ring.
There seems to be a template for these guys just a little bit.
So we'll talk about that with Todd again after 1030 in the second hour after 11 o'clock.
Deb Cronmiller from the League of Women Voters is going to join us.
We're going to be talking about the SAVE Act that was recently passed in the house.
Particularly if you are a married woman and your birth certificate does not match your driver's license.
Yes.
And we had a listener who emailed us at Jane says with a couple of questions because she has a compound name.
It could be very confusing.
So if you have any questions for Deb Cronmiller about the SAVE Act in particular, please email us now at janesaysatcivicmedia.us j-a-n-e-s-a-y-s janesaysatcivicmedia.us Deb Cronmiller, gonna be here after 11 o'clock.
The last half hour of the show, of course, is what we now call audio source.
Bay.
Lighten things up a little bit for the last half hour of the show.
Today we're going to do a new segment called Resident Young Person Calvin Explains.
Are you ready for this, Calvin?
I am.
Excellent.
It's not.
It's only confusing because of how dumb it is.
I did not understand.
There is a new phenomenon happening around a particular movie that we're going to be talking about after 1130.
And Calvin is going to explain this because he is our resident young person.
So stick around for that.
And then we'll wrap up the show as we always do with this shouldn't be a thing.
Today it is the giddy up edition.
Stay tuned for that.
A couple of things I wanted to take just a little time before we dive into things.
We have changes that are going to be happening a week from tomorrow.
So a week from tomorrow on April 23rd, the lineup is going to be changing here on Civic Media.
It's all good.
Yes, it is.
It's all good.
For one thing, Earl Ingram, who's on right before us, Earl Ingram is going to be shifting his focus to more local community content on 540WA UK and Milwaukee.
He's also going to be a regular guest on other network shows.
And he's going to be working on some very special podcasts.
So Earl's not going anywhere.
Correct.
Earl is remaining part of civic media, which is fantastic.
But again, the lineup is going to be changing a week from tomorrow.
So here's how that's going to look from five to six.
We love this, the Midwest Farm Report with Pam Yonkey on
select
The fabulous farm babe, she's incredible.
From six to nine, it's gonna be mornings with Pat Krightlow, powered by Up North News.
So Pat, going from six to nine, we will move up one hour.
Matt Nair on air will be from nine to 11 as of a week.
Tomorrow yes a week from tomorrow then 11 to 2 the Tom Hartman program from 2 to 4 the incredible Todd Alba 4 to 6 Maggie Dawn and then 6 to 8 Nightlight with Pete Schwabba We also have a couple local morning shows that are gonna be staying because I got an email about this too yesterday.
Yes, John and Gordy on
on WMDX in Madison, and Mano and the mayor on WGBW in Green Bay will stay with their respective stations.
So those morning shows are not going anywhere.
This is going to be happening again a week from tomorrow, April 23rd, just a little shifting around of the lineup here on Civic Media.
If, say, you live in Madison, you're not going to be able to hear us anymore over the radio, you can always catch it as a podcast.
Absolutely.
Stay with us.
Stay with us.
Again, the change is coming a week from tomorrow.
Just want to give you a little heads up about that.
This kind of jumped out at us as we were putting the show together this morning.
And we hear so much.
you know, with these deportations and mass deportations and folks who are supportive of this are essentially, well, why didn't you come here the right way?
We've
Okay, fine.
In order to support that, I think it's important that we have programs that help people who are doing things the right way, right?
Yeah, and then I saw this article in the cap times today Aaron McGrady with the byline literacy network loses federal grant for citizenship program The literacy network which serves adults in Dane County is getting cut off from the remainder of a federal grant would help which helped them run a citizenship test study program So come to this country
You apply you get in you have to pass a citizenship test.
Yeah This program which is doing that in Madison.
Yeah, helping people come in the right way doing checking all the boxes doing it all the right way Now they're cutting off their funding Because of course they are this doesn't make sense to me.
both of the mindset of, well, they need to do it the right and legal way.
And also I love nasty portations.
Make it make sense to us because they're living within the rules that you set up, which is really kind of vague when you just say, do it the right way or the legal way, but they are, they come here and they, it's not easy to become citizens
in this
The executive director of the Literacy Network again in Dane County, Robin Ryan, says we thought that citizenship was in a better place for funding because the administration seems to be saying they want to support people who follow the process to become a citizen.
We were surprised when they targeted this grant so early because this program essentially does what they say they want immigrants to do.
So we're kind of at cross purposes here.
If they would have canceled, let's say next year or next cycles grant, I'm not saying when right, but they canceled it before the grant was even all the way paid out.
They canceled it.
What did they say?
It wasn't Midway, but it was a grant that had already been paid to the Literary Center in almost in its full, but then they stopped it.
A March 27th letter sent to the group from the Department of Homeland Security did not give details.
Of course not.
Yeah, they're real kind of slim on details.
Of course not.
On the cancellation beyond stating that the Literacy Network's efforts to help immigrants pass the citizenship test, quote,
no longer effectuates the program's goals and the department's priorities, unquote.
The literacy network has been operating in Dane County for 50 years, started offering citizenship study classes about 20 years ago with the goal of helping immigrants learn American history and civics because they have to pass a test, which I would, I would wager, I wouldn't be able to pass that test.
I don't think a lot of Americans would be able to pass a basic civics test.
I don't
To talk about this, because let's also just put something out really quick.
This is a non-political thing, a non-partisan group.
This is not some, you know, they're not leading marches through the streets.
This is a group of individuals.
whose goal is helping people learn to read and understand certain things.
And this program is making, is making it easier for people to do quote unquote, do it the
This citizenship program, again, according to the executive director of this agency, the citizenship program is specifically to help people who are lawful permanent residents.
So green card holders apply for citizenship and then pass the test.
With a two-year $180,000 grant, the group had expanded the program, and they had hoped to soon provide study sessions in other areas of Madison, and now those plans can no longer move forward.
The Literacy Network's website is in our show notes today, and they take donations.
If you are interested in helping, this is a group doing good work for all people.
You can do that, but we will be working on getting someone from the organization here to talk further on this because it is just a further example of further just disgusting behavior from an organization from a group Who hates immigrants?
Well, we say we want them to do it the right way and then we're attacking agencies that help them do things the right way So you kind of have to wonder what the actual goal is when we return Manufacturing we're gonna bring it back.
It's back baby.
We're back
Who's going to work there?
That's one of the questions we will kick around when we return.
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Todd Alba will be here.
We're going to talk about the latest wealthy person who apparently wants to be an elected official.
There seems to be a through line.
Whose turn is it this time?
Exactly.
We'll be talking about that with Todd.
And we actually had a question.
Dan from Franklin texted in, when will the Todd Alba show be on?
So as a week from tomorrow, the lineup is going to be changing.
Our show is going to move from nine to 11.
Todd will be from two to four.
OK.
So it's going to be.
Mornings with Pat Gritlow, powered by Up North News from six to nine.
Yes.
Matt Nair on air from nine to 11.
Yes.
Tom Hartman, 11 to two.
Todd from two to four.
Maggie from four to six.
And then Pete Schwabba from six to eight PM.
Hope that clears it up.
We'll say it again later.
Well, we will because it changes hard and change, you know, it throws us all a little bit.
So no worries, Dan.
I hope that helps.
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All right, we wanted to spend a little bit of time on this.
This is from Wisconsin Public Radio, Joe Schultz with the byline.
Trump says tariffs will bring back manufacturing, but Wisconsin labor shortage might stand in the way.
So it's all about bringing manufacturing back, which is great.
That would be great.
We're gonna talk to James Van Der Lu on Friday.
Correct.
it takes a long time to bring manufacturing back.
It's not like these plants just go up in a week or a month or even a year.
This is usually a several year process.
But even beyond that, Wisconsin has population issues.
Wisconsin has been losing population for the last couple of years.
So if it happens that we bring back all this manufacturing, who is going to work?
at these plants.
The U.S.
Chamber of Commerce reports the latest numbers show there are about 1.2 million more jobs open across the country than there are unemployed workers.
1.2 million more jobs open nationally than there were unemployed workers.
Wisconsin has had more openings than job seekers since 2021.
And I'd like to know of those, I mean, we can't go over every single one of those jobs available, but as we've had this discussion when it comes to immigration, there are jobs that Americans just think they're above.
Absolutely.
They're not, I'm not, I'm not going to do that job.
I'm going to do this job.
I went to college.
I did this.
So I have to imagine that a, a fair amount of those jobs are ones that Americans would scoff at.
And you asked the question, who would do it?
Well, Alicia on the live stream says, we can all work in these new manufacturing jobs.
What's the third or the second or third full-time job?
I mean, that's the way it's going to be.
Or you can do what Florida is doing, very innovative thinking in Florida, just loosen the child labor laws a little bit.
Yeah, bring back kids.
They're strong.
I was picking raspberries in the fields when I was 12.
Yeah.
Why shouldn't they?
This is going to be an issue.
Again, unless a lot of these are automated jobs, which isn't going to do much for the workforce.
Not at all.
Not going to help working people a whole lot.
Not going to be bringing back a whole lot of jobs if, again, a lot of these plants are AI fueled.
or managing the equipment itself.
So still, you're not going to get a great bump in jobs.
And also, you also have to get commitments from companies to come back here, which means you have to give them incentives, tax breaks, tax forgiveness, all sorts of things that are going to affect our economy and our basic bottom line for this nation.
So
Once again, we're looking at it.
We're looking at words being said by a president who doesn't think three inches from his face.
Yeah, well, they don't think that they don't they're not long-term It's not yeah, it's never long-term doesn't seem to be long-term planning over the last decade Employers have said that the US labor market is weak both in terms of quantity of people and quality of people There had been some efforts in recent years like high school apprenticeship programs, which I think are great.
Yep
that could help the goal of bringing manufacturing back, but everything hinges on the workforce.
If Donald Trump would achieve his objective, say, increasing manufacturing by 40%, that's five million workers.
That's five million bodies we don't have.
No, no, we do not.
All those jobs putting screws into iPhones were going to be coming back to America until, of course, Trump changed his mind and then exempted all electronics and iPhones and all that stuff from the tariffs because Tim Jobs paid him a whole bunch of money.
But anyway, I'm veering off topic.
We have news coming up next.
And then when we return, Todd Alba will be here.
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We'll do a little roundup in the second part of our discussion with Todd Alba.
But Todd, we wanted to start off with this.
This is from today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Molly Beck, Republican businessman considering a run for governor forms political committee.
Bill Barrion, a Navy SEAL veteran and CEO of Pindell Global Precision and Liberty Precision in New Berlin, announcing yesterday he is starting a pack in his bid to possibly, you know, run for governor next year.
So as Greg and I were talking about this off the air before the show started, it seems like the Republicans in Wisconsin have kind of the same template.
Let's find a really wealthy white guy to run.
And it's worked so well for them.
It has it's been just so extremely successful in two right now their own
I spent 30 years in the Republican party.
I think as most of your listeners know, and left in 2011, long before Trumpism came around.
So I never heard of this guy.
I have no idea who he is.
Yes, it does appear that there is a new line of thinking in certain parts of the Wisconsin Republican party that we need to get these self funders.
And quite frankly, I think that's a deference to and a
Unintentional salute to Ben Wickler who has been the longtime chair of the Democratic Party was gone so because for years when I was the Republican Party You know it was the Democrats who would say oh my gosh Republicans always out raises.
It's not fair How can we compete and Ben Wickler came in and said let's just you know pull up our bootstraps and dig in you know We might not like it and yes, we'd like to have campaign finance reform, but this is the hand we're dealt Let's just suck it up and do it and guess what?
Now it's robin voss and diva lemmy hugh and scott walkers.
Well, how can we compete?
I mean democrats outraises so much Uh, so, you know, it I think this is a new line for the wisconsin public party Let's find a guy or a gal.
I guess although diane hendrix doesn't seem to want to run for anything She just likes to put her money in there, but let's find a multi-millionaire close to a billionaire And run them.
I don't think that bodes well for
Many of I guess I'll still call them the traditional grassroots the Republican Party because they haven't really caught fire and and part of the reason that when I was involved in politics on the Republican side I think part of the reason not all but part of the reason Republicans did well is because Tommy Thompson was a guy from Elroy's right his dad ran a general store right and he helped put himself through school and law school at UW and he really didn't come
from anything.
I mean, Elroy is a town of 1,000 people, more or less, in southwest Wisconsin.
And people like to root.
Think of Bill Proxmire on the Democratic side, a guy who went to every small town and got his hair cut, whether he needed it or not, and went around in shakans.
Wisconsinites, good lord, we root for the Packers, we root for the Brewers, we root for the Badgers and Marquette, teams that rarely have ever win it all, but we love to root for them because that's who we are.
And Republicans don't seem to have anybody like that on the bench anymore.
And so they got to turn to these guys.
I mean, that was going to be my point, too, is that, you know, they're not even like, say what you will about Scott Walker.
He had a pedigree in Wisconsin.
He came up through Wisconsin politics.
People knew who he was.
People knew who Tony Evers was because of his work in politics and in education.
It's this thing of like these nameless dudes who show up with this mentality that always, for me,
personally as a Wisconsinite, it always seems to be this, well, this is mine and I want it.
I'm a rich guy.
So give it
to
I want to be governor now because I guess I'm bored with business and I can do this better.
And the guy in Washington runs it like a business and I can do that.
So it's this disingenuous nature of like, well, yeah, he's from Wisconsin, which is great, but you didn't work to get it.
You didn't work the line to go.
Well, to work your way up through
I think you're, I think you're on to something, Greg, that aside from the Republican Party of Wisconsin, I do think there's kind of this ultra rich class are like, I'm bored.
I like to be in the richest, you know, they say the U.S.
Senate is the smallest, whatever, most, most exclusive club in the world.
And there's a certain thing to the governor's chair as well.
These guys are just bored and want something to do.
I do think that the
I'll still call him the grassroots was left of it of the old Republican Party or the new MAGA I think those people are gonna be on board of Tom Tiffany the congressman from North, Wisconsin.
He's definitely running I think there will be I heard that Rebecca Clayfish is also still considering another bid and there is even rumors that Scott Walker is laying the groundwork for a comeback So, I mean that's right.
That's real and so I think that this is I think this guy who you've never heard of
They don't know how to run politics or run a campaign.
They think they can buy it.
My guess is he won't go anywhere.
know, he feels he feels he's waiting on the bench and it's and it's his turn so to speak I also think and there's been a lot of talk about what's happening in the Democratic Party right now and rightly so It's a big deal Ben Wicklow not running again.
I think he's done a marvelous job I think as a pecky would be a great heir to that I think there are other people I feel would be less of a great heir to that that are out there names thrown around but I think what a lot of people are missing isn't being talked about is what's going on on the Republican side and the
Particularly folks in Brown County, Green Bay, the Republican Party chair up there, they want Brian Schimming out.
I know you guys have talked about it a little bit on your show.
This is a bigger deal than what's being made of in the mainstream press in Wisconsin because it speaks to what you guys are talking about.
There is a division within the Republican Party as well that, you know, they're not right enough that Brian Schimming, the guy who came up through the party with me, who, you know, still kind of believes somewhere in the fundamental tenets of the old Republican Party, but has kind of going.
Long and adapting like a chameleon to operate in the maga world.
They want him gone He's not a real believer.
So I think if this if this guy who I've never heard of what's his name?
I'm sorry.
I don't a barion barion if mayor Barry knows another guy Barry and
right if this guy I mean if he taps into this disc and discontent with the ultra magas in Wisconsin Well, then and if Trump comes out here and endorses him and he sucks up to Trump
You know, we saw that we've seen that not to get off subject with with the naïve Bukele from El Salvador.
Trump loves people who suck up to him.
And so if this guy does that and has the money and taps into discontent with the ultra magas in Wisconsin, hey, anything is possible these
Was able to beat our wonderful friend dr. Lierly, but so yeah, there is still some credence to it We'll see I mean, I think that trumpets really got to come into western Wisconsin this time because Derek Van Orton is going to need it I think that there should be a primary the Democratic side I'm not sure Rebecca cook is the right person to go up against him again But I think that you know, that's uh people forget you know people forget that that district that Van Orton is running in was drawn 20 years ago for Ron kind as a Democrat
to make sure that it protected Ron.
There was a deal amongst all the incumbents in Wisconsin.
So, Mark Pocain got his safe Democratic seat in the second, and Ron Kine got his safe Democratic seat in the third, and all the rest of the Republicans got theirs.
That's the way these maps were drawn.
So, Van Orden go around saying, oh my gosh, if Crawford wins, I'm going to get a Dem District, guess what?
He already has one.
It's already there.
One of the things that you said that with regard to Bill Barron, I think Barry in is, I think he's already diving into it.
This is a quote from his release says, we are passionate about the growth opportunities for Wisconsin with the manufacturing reindustrialization in the U S and president Trump's crackdown on China.
The release goes on to say, we believe boys are boys and girls are girls and parents should have a say in their child's education.
We believe in restoring conservative values and common sense.
I mean, right there, just.
in three, four sentences.
He just said, I'm Maga.
Here we go.
You
He's not listening to his leader.
Another line that got kind of underreported yesterday in the Oval Office meeting with Salvador and President Bukele.
He says to Bukele in front of the whole press, he says, he asked Bukele.
He says, you don't let guys play girl sports, do you?
Oh, no, we protect women in El Salvador.
And then Trump goes on this, and he says right in front of everybody, the reporters, he says, he's talking to Bukele, but he's doing it for the press.
He says, you know, I tell our people, don't even, don't talk about that stuff yet.
You know, people are gonna, you gotta wait till the election to talk about it.
He's saying it out loud for everybody to hear to Greg's point.
Trump doesn't want this guy to be talking about those issues until six months or less before the election.
It is the fearmonger point that they have right now.
That is their thing.
And again, you wanna save the good stuff.
You want to save the good stuff until you're really needed.
That should be very telling.
The other thing I want to say real quickly about this release from this Bilbarian, we believe parents should have a say in their child's education.
They already do.
And I find it interesting that you are OK with parents having a say in their child's education, but not in their health care.
That's where parents shouldn't get to weigh in.
The government gets to decide what kind of health care is right for your child.
And now we've got a Republican Party Trumpism that's going into private universities and telling them how to write their class syllabuses.
I think that's the right way to say it, or syllabi.
I mean, that would have never happened.
Think of if Democrats had said, hey, here's how choice schools are going to do their classes.
Oh, there would be outrage in the street.
It's hypocrisy at its
We will take you on the other side when we get back up.
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After the 11 o'clock news, Deb Cronmiller from the League of Women Voters is gonna be joining us.
We're gonna talk about the SAVE Act that was recently passed in the house and what this could mean
Especially for married women who may have taken their husband's name but didn't go to court to change it, which most married women don't do.
What could that mean for you?
The next time you go to vote, Deb Cronmiller is going to be joining us.
We have a couple of questions from listeners.
Another one too from Lori just came in, so we will address those with Deb coming up after the 11 o'clock news.
Right now though, our friend and colleague Todd Alba is here from the wonderful Todd Alba show, noon to 2 p.m.
until a week from tomorrow.
What?
A week.
Didn't know.
Didn't know.
Yes, the lineup is the lineup is changing next week.
And we're calling it the Todd father show from now on, too.
Yes, we're calling it.
I did not wake up to a horse head on my pillow, but I came in this morning and there was an article from the Detroit Free Press.
This is a real headline.
Guy Gordon.
fired by WJRAM after accepting pay cut, refusing to move to afternoons.
I thought, well, I better not say anything.
Just be happy.
Yeah.
Just
Media has always been so delicate.
Yes, we have some changes coming a week from tomorrow.
Earl Ingram remains a very critical part of civic media.
He is going to be doing some super focused podcasts and other special reporting focusing on the city of Milwaukee, which is Earl's passion and his love.
So Earl is going to remain part of the network.
He's not going to have a daily show.
Pat Crite low mornings with Pat Crite low will kick off a week from tomorrow from six to nine.
Our show, Matt Nair on ear, moving up an hour from 9 to 11.
Tom Hartman coming in then from 11 to 2.
And then the Todd father from 2 to 4 p.m., followed by Maggie Dawn, 4 to 6, and Pete Schwabba from 6 to 8.
That sounds good.
A couple of suggestions, by the way, have come in.
We are working on going out on the road like we did last summer and trying
to make it happen for Matt Nair on air and the Oddball Show to go out on the road.
That too, the Oddball Show.
Ted texting in says, come to Appleton.
And we had a couple of comments on the live stream.
Also said, said Northeastern Wisconsin, come to Northeastern Wisconsin.
So let us know where you would like us to visit at 855-752-4842 or leave a comment on the stream.
No, I was because it triggered me did this to me last year when we were He was joining me for just the last couple of days and I was in new Glaris had a winery down there at Bailey's run And we weren't sure where we're and so he told the audience goes here's three choices Where's where should Todd do this show tomorrow?
And they voted and they sent me to find to figure out how to get on a Wisconsin duck I had less than 24 hours to do it and thanks God to the army ducks of Wisconsin delts You
Anyway, I would like, as long as you're both on, you and Todd, for you to talk a little bit about the Wisconsin Conservation Congress Spring Hearings, which are happening right now.
The actual in-person was last night.
The online survey is available until 6 p.m.
on Wednesday night.
The more people that do this, the better.
Of course, this year they have made it much more difficult to find the survey.
Big surprise.
They don't want us to be involved.
But the Wisconsin Conservation Congress is a group that is taxpayer funded, has no transparency, wants a few people involved in this as possible.
So I say the more the merrier.
This is democracy.
This is tech.
And thanks for giving us the heads up.
If you want to send me a link to that, that would be great at 855-752-4842.
Join Todd this afternoon after the noon news from noon until 2 p.m.
It's a fantastic show.
You don't want to miss it, Todd.
All by thank you so very much, my friend.
We will see you soon.
You guys are the best.
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