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Lots of things going on.

Emily Zephos, who is the chair of the Out of Gamy County Democratic Party, will be joining us at 10.33.

There was a big outpouring of support in the community for a number of Haitian refugees who have special humanitarian status.

which was revoked by the Trump administration.

So we're going to talk to Emily Zephos about a recent demonstration that happens in northern Wisconsin.

After the 11 o'clock news, the NOAA cuts are coming.

We've talked about this for several months.

This was a big part of Project 2025.

They don't want anything that goes against their climate.

Change to nihilism?

Yeah, there it is.

That could be it.

Yeah, they don't want anything that is going to make it look like we are responsible for the changing climate.

So let's just cut research.

That's always my first thing, Jane.

When I don't want things that go against my personal beliefs out there, I say, make sure that no one can find out.

Yeah, exactly.

Let's just remove it.

Perfect.

Yeah, let's just cut it.

We're also going to talk about childcare cuts coming to Wisconsin.

Of course we are.

We talked to Karine Hendrickson about this a couple of weeks ago.

We're gonna try and have her back on.

Yeah.

Childcare is a critical issue, not just in Wisconsin, but all around the country.

And yet, party of family values doesn't seem to value childcare workers very much.

Well, they have some really awesome suggestions for you, ladies.

Really great suggestions.

Just stay

home.

Or do it for free.

Right.

Just

do it.

Do it for

the good of your community.

Take care of your neighbors' babies for free.

Sure.

I'd be happy to.

She's

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She's mad.

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I did want to start off with this.

We kind of switched gears a little bit as we were coming on the air, but I think this is really critically important.

and it's very, very disturbing.

Today, Donald Trump is meeting with the president of El Salvador.

He has been in the U.S.

from what I've seen since Saturday.

Now, El Salvador is the country where the Trump administration sent Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an immigrant which Homeland Security admitted it arrested and extradited to a president in El Salvador because of a clerical error.

Ironiously yes sent this man Kilmar Abrego Garcia to this prison in El Salvador and now the Trump administration says well we can't get him back Yeah, he's there now, and it's a sovereign nation Saturday Thursday the Supreme Court ordered all nine of them

That is one of the most important things to say I believe in that in that in that point of the discussion it is nine to zero this isn't

Liberals

versus

no, this is this is simply like I mean a simple decision nine to zero How often Jane do we get unanimous decisions

from the court almost never there you go on Thursday in an unsigned unanimous decision the Supreme Court ordered the Trump administration must facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia Saturday the Trump administration responded to this decision by the Supreme Court by stonewalling

the district court judge and then saying it can't facilitate his return because he's now detained by a sovereign nation and the U.S.

cannot exert any influence.

He is meeting with the president of El Salvador today.

Why couldn't he have just brought this man back with him?

The article that we are referring to right now will be in the show notes and this is not a matter of Well, we can't step on the toes of a sovereign nation We must respect the the freedoms of other countries and their leaders make no mistake about this and I want to get his name correctly his name is Naib Bukele who is their president I believe their leader the president of El Salvador He is a crony to Trump

He is not a guy who's going to sit there and thump his chest going, you can't tell me what to do.

If Donald Trump wanted him here, he would be here.

He would be here.

This is not a matter of stepping on the freeze.

This was a, as Jane put it, a clerical mistake that every judge, every lawyer, including the Supreme Court justices have said, this is, this is no good.

It must be done.

And so to push this narrative of, well, we can't schedule all the planes are full.

Can't do it.

Can't, can't make it happen.

And Jane, I want to ask you a question.

What does Donald Trump, like it's been admitted by Homeland Security that was a mistake.

So the mistake is like that's done.

Right.

And Donald Trump doesn't even say we made a mistake.

In fact, he could take all the glorious credit.

What stops him from saying, we brought him back.

He's here.

And I told El Salvador, I feel like it can only be a win for Donald Trump.

There is no losing version of this.

Oh, see, and I disagree.

because bringing him back, it means they would have to admit that they made a mistake.

They already admitted, have done that though.

That's the thing is, if they've already admitted the problem and

he can blame- It was

a

clerical

error.

And he can put the blame on other people, he can say blah, blah, blah, and he is great right and undeterred and infallible, but I don't see a version of this that makes him look, the only version that makes him look bad to everyone is if he continues to do what he's doing now and going, there's no updates.

Who do you-

What are you talking about?

Cassandra on the live stream says people get extradited from sovereign nations all the time.

Yes, they do.

And this should be a concern for everyone in this country.

Yes.

Everyone should be concerned if our government can say, yes, we made a mistake.

We accidentally sent this person to prison in a foreign country.

Yes, we made a mistake, but.

Oh, too late.

Nothing we can do about it now.

We're also a country that in the face of overwhelming evidence, both DNA and otherwise, we will send people to the gas chamber and electric chair and let them die instead of admitting we were wrong.

John from West Band texting in, listening on WAUK.

Why didn't Kristi Noem bring him back when she was there?

I mean,

yeah, she was, she was just there.

posing for pictures.

It was disgusting.

It was disgusting.

It was so disgusting.

It's like she's cosplaying.

And that's another thing too is I will continue to do this until we have a viable dialogue on the topics.

But if you are a supporter of Trump, isn't this something you can get behind where everyone is saying that this was wrong?

It was incorrect.

This is just a this guy wasn't leading marches down the street.

He was it was a mistake.

Why can't we get it back and

This does damage more damage to our credibility as a country because If it's this guy

Who's next exactly who's next and why would you think it will never affect you?

Why do you think it will never this is never gonna touch you because you're not an immigrant because you're white Where because you voted for him because you voted for him

We've seen what happens to people within his own administration who do not follow through to the letter.

They get tossed to the side.

They get tossed to the

side.

They're being investigated.

Chris Krebs.

And also, let's not forget, just in the less than three months he's been in office, we've seen story after story of individuals who have lost their job due to these cuts from Doge.

who said, well, I voted for him.

I wasn't expecting this.

You've seen people getting deported saying, I voted for him and I live here.

We are seeing so much of the ramifications of his administration falling on the heads of those who support him.

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We were talking about the Trump administration's claim now Then I can't not get this man back from El Salvador because it's a sovereign nation and we can't do that

Although Kristi Noem over the weekend was saying, we have a great partnership with El Salvador.

We're going to continue to send people to this prison there.

So it does seem like we have a partnership with this country and we should be able to get the man back that we sent there by mistake.

It seems like a partnership and where a simple request can be made.

If the president of El Salvador says, no, I'm a sovereign nation.

You can't have it.

That's a totally different topic.

We're paying them.

Yeah.

But.

to say there's no update and no it's it's absolute bunk what they're doing right now and it has overarching ramifications on our immigration deportation and just your garden variety who's an american type of discussion point here in this country who's american

enough

but also the other thing too is um

We can't ask because they're a sovereign nation I didn't see anyone in the Trump administration having a problem disseminating and pushing the notion that we would somehow take over Greenland and Canada last time I checked Canada is pretty sovereign.

I believe it is very sovereign Yeah, very sovereign just like Greenland just like Greenland.

We are partners with Canada But it hadn't they had no problem saying well, we'll just we can take them over so stop with this

We can't do anything

about

it exactly please eight five five seven five two four eight four two That's eight five five seven five civic bill from economy walk is on the line.

Good morning, Bill Thanks for so much for joining us.

What do you want to say about this?

With all the departations are moving these people El Salvador We're here that we excuse me Democrats as almost a Republican standing up and say show us the documentation

You cannot, you know, there's a certain laws that they're breaking by not due process.

Absolutely.

We should demand as a nation all the documentation on each and every prisoner.

And if we don't get it, we keep pushing it till we do get it.

And we don't do anything else till we get it because that's the beginning of a dictatorship run wild.

You're not wrong, Bill.

Thank you so much for checking in.

This should disturb all of us.

Yes.

So

every single person in this country should be very, very concerned about

this.

I don't disagree with it.

Jack from Miramaque also on the line.

Good morning, Jack.

Thanks for joining us.

Good morning.

Yeah.

Well, first of all, the Roberts court, instead of saying the Trump administration should facilitate the return of Mr. Arboretto Garcia.

They already should have said, this man is legally in the United States.

He followed every single rule when you say you want, followed.

He's not a criminal.

You admitted this is a mistake.

He's a family man.

Bring him back now.

No excuses, and we don't care if you have to send Air Force One to do it, just do it now.

But this intransigence from Trump is about more than just a mistake and refusal to reverse that mistake.

There are two more important things to this administration.

One is keeping this in the limelight.

It's continually distilled xenophobia.

But the second thing, which is even more nasty, is he's saying to all of us, this can happen to you.

So who better follow the line?

You better not do anything that

criticizes or irritates this administration because we'll just toss you out of the country and then we'll say, oh, we can't get you back.

Yeah, you're absolutely right, Jack.

And that's why I think everyone in this country should be very, very concerned about this.

Yes, this man is an immigrant.

But as you said, he has no criminal record.

And the administration admitted, the administration admitted they mistakenly sent him to this country.

And now they're saying, whoopsie, nothing we can do about it.

If they can do that to this man, they can do it to all of us.

And you know where his concern is?

He wants the January 6th traders to get repaid for the damages that they had to pay out when they attack the capital.

That's who Donald

Trump is concerned with.

Last time I checked, I would probably come out of... That's right, my pocket, because I'm a taxpayer.

So now we're giving reparations to traders?

They're

patriots.

They're heroes.

That's where Donald Trump's concern is the people who attack the Capitol, not people we are sending out of the country by mistake.

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When we return, Emily Zeppos will be here.

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Chair of the Out of Gamy County Democratic Party, Emily Zephos is joining us.

Good morning, Emily.

Thanks for making time for us.

How you doing?

I'm doing well.

Thanks for having me.

I'm glad to be here with you all this

Monday.

Absolutely.

I wanted to talk to you in particular because you were there.

This headline is from the Wisconsin Examiner.

Trump and to the humanitarian parole hits Wisconsin town where Haitians are part of the community.

This is in New London, Wisconsin, right, Emily?

Now

we

can't hear you for some reason

No Emily if you want to call into the studio we can do that instead I'll give you the number 8

5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 Civic if you want to call in Emily and we can continue this on the phone

She's in the car and so we are having some connection problems, but yes the Haitians were admitted to the US through a humanitarian parole program in response to the deadly violence that's been happening in Haiti for Unfortunately, it seems like decades.

The newcomers became part of the community Immigration attorney Mark Christopher who lives in New London

says, quote, their children go to school with our children.

They worship in the same churches.

They eat at the same restaurants.

They join the same civic organizations.

They're in the gyms.

There are friends.

More importantly, there are coworkers.

They're a part of our community and part of our fabric.

And we welcome them, unquote.

This sounds almost exactly like Springfield, Ohio.

Yes.

Last year.

Yes.

These are beloved people contributing who love being there.

Yes.

and are doing the work, and Emily is on the phone right now, but just to read your point, they're doing everything you ask them to do.

They're here legally.

They're doing the work.

They're contributing.

And for whatever reason, it's now not good enough.

The refugee program through which these Haitians came in includes a work authorization.

More than 100 of them ended up working at a Tyson food plant in New London.

Really glamorous jobs.

Oh, yeah processing and packaging chicken.

Yeah Others went to work in stores in the community or in other jobs But late last month the Trump administration told more than a half a million people from Haiti Cuba Nicaragua and Venezuela They are no longer welcome the Department of Homeland Security terminated humanitarian parole for over 500,000 refugees from those four countries

Haitians in New London were among those covered by this order that came out March 25th.

They were notified through an online account that every one of these people get through this program.

Emily is back with us now on the phone.

Emily, when you were at this protest in New London, what kinds of things were you hearing from folks?

Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

We gathered there are about 40 people, so all of these folks were from the New London and surrounding area.

And we were there, like, kind of in solidarity.

Like, I'm sure you can understand it was a lot to have asked anyone on this program to show up publicly to make any noise about this.

But really, it was not only addressing the humanitarian issue that this is and the fact that these folks are the ones that came here legally.

They've been working, as you mentioned.

But also it's an economic issue for companies and businesses like Tyson who suddenly have 30 days and they're seeing up to 10% of their workforce go away.

So really it was a community gathering together to say, hey, what can we do?

How do we sound the alarm on this?

And it was really heartening to see people show up at 7 AM to call attention to the changes to this program and the issue for their community.

Was there any pushback that you heard?

I'm curious, were there people coming out saying they're eating the cats and dogs?

Oh, no, there wasn't that there.

I mean, of course, there's pushback online.

We had quite good media coverage for it, but really it was countering with it.

You know, these people are dreaming of starting their own businesses.

Their kids attend New London School District.

They've been working hard at Tyson and really we're trying to, you know, again, demonstrate to them and reaffirm the fact that these are folks that came here through a legal program.

And that's the kind of immigration we should be supporting.

And that, you know, we kind of counter with that.

Well, and there are all, as we were just saying before you joined us again on the phone, there are all kinds of requirements that these people have to follow in order to stay under the umbrella of these programs, including work requirements.

And I'm sure they aren't, if they commit a crime, that is going to jeopardize their status.

And I think it's important to note, and as we had some immigration lawyers that were there as well, these people were vetted.

They have, you know, a lot of these folks on this program in particular have financial sponsors that are usually church groups that have, you know, agreed to support them in their own communities.

And so, again, this is a program that worked, and it was the sudden, you know...

the resolution of it that was really alarming to us and to that community.

Emily, I know there are a lot of people there and I know you couldn't possibly have spoken to everyone, but something we're always trying to find here in these conversations are the individuals who say, you know, there are people out there who support this topic, these immigration and making sure people stay here and people who voted for Donald Trump for whatever their reasons are.

I have to imagine a group that big.

There was somebody in there who say, yeah, this is not what I wanted.

This is not what I voted for.

I love this community.

These people are here legally.

Did you get any sense of that whatsoever?

People who said like, yeah, I voted Republican, but I didn't think this was going to happen.

We did I mean I didn't we didn't have anyone say that outright But I will say there was a gentleman from down the road that saw that there was a little bit of a hubbub on the corner So he walked down at 7 a.m.

And he said what's going on here?

And I kind of explained it to him and he was a Republican He said that he did vote for Trump and kind of went into the whole

you know, open borders kind of thing.

And I said, sir, to be frank with you, this again, was a program that worked.

It was, they came here through legal means and they're contributing to your local economy.

These are folks that are, you know, that are raising their families here and everything.

And we had that conversation after.

So like that was somebody that like wasn't privy to this information, didn't really understand it kind of lump.

immigration in general into that open borders kind of scaremongering that they do.

And it's up to us in our own communities to be talking to those people and say, actually, here's the nuts and bolts of it.

Here are the facts.

If you're just joining us, Emily Zephos is our guest.

She's the chair of the Out of Game Democratic Party and we are talking about a protest that was held in New London recently after a number of members of the community, they are Haitian immigrants who started arriving in 2023 under a legal refugee program.

That is what is important here.

went through this program, they got the authorization, they were cleared, they had background checks, all of those things.

And now, at the end of last month, the Trump administration comes out and says, yep, well, no, we're doing away with that.

Now you all have to leave.

What recourse, Emily, do these folks have at this point, if any?

As of last week, we were really trying to work closely with

the immigration lawyers that work with that community and really like they're explaining to us was you know we can for those that would qualify we can apply for asylum but that's really like kind of a long shot because that process is so long and they came here under a different program but there was they were ordered last week to not deport anyone by that date so this is something that we saw after I think it was Friday that news came out that this program in particular

They said to the administration, you cannot put these people on a deport list because they were under this legal program.

So it's actually, they've been stayed for a little bit longer.

So that gives them a little bit more breathing room.

There still need to seek out legal, you know, recourse and assistance so that we can make sure that.

you know whatever happens down the road they're supported and ready but right now they've got a little bit extra time so that's great but it is about like working with our through your local immigration attorneys that are privy to this and we're trying to offer assistance like whether it's through paperwork and translation to make sure that they can get any of that paperwork done make sure that they're you know

able to make ends meet, making sure that they still have their jobs at Tyson, and all of that kind of stuff will be important down the road too.

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Cassandra on the live stream says there have been zero legal issues with these people.

Prior to this order coming down, we have locals that cause a lot more problems in this community than the immigrants.

And the thing that makes me very

Scared, nervous, whatever you want to call it is we're talking earlier on the show about Kilmara Brego Garcia, who, as we know, was deported to El Salvador.

You have these, you just spoke about how you're saying, don't put them on a deport list.

Don't, don't do these things.

We're trying to make sure they're, they're taking care of, I mean, but we also see now that it just doesn't seem to matter.

If you request demand, say, this is the legal process, this is the law, they're going to say, if they say, no, sorry, go.

That's where we're at now at this point.

We're no longer in the processes of immigration.

It's just, what are they feeling on a Tuesday?

Well, and again, we just assume that the Trump administration is going to follow these edicts from the courts, and that isn't necessarily the case anymore.

Yeah, and I think it's important too when we're seeking out, making sure they have all of the options available to them via the legal channels and how things are supposed to work, but also holding at the same time.

that we're not living through normal times.

And so what does it mean in communities like this to show up for your neighbors and stand in solidarity and protect them?

Like it's, you know, for us, it's making sure that we know exactly what, what Packard County just agreed to work with ICE.

And so what is that community going to do to support these people that, you know, on a Tuesday, they might decide, eh, well, we're going to go for it anyway.

Yeah.

Lori from Hayward texting in Trump and his press secretary have both stated they are looking at deporting U.S.

citizens who have broken the law to El Salvador, who decides what laws and how carefully will they look before people are disappeared to jails in other countries without due process or legal help.

Again, that's Lori in Hayward.

That's why we started off talking about this case of Kilmar-Abrego Garcia.

And being shipped off to El Salvador, even though the Trump administration has admitted they made a mistake.

It was a mistake.

And now they are claiming, well, El Salvador is a sovereign country and we can't if we go in there and ask for him back.

Stephen Miller said over the weekend that would be kidnapping.

He's always great to listen to speak.

I love him when he talks.

God.

I mean, and but but that's where.

You know, that is where we, you know, we, we want to say thank you to all the people up there who are standing up and showing that this is a community.

I mean, this is what we saw in Springfield last year in Ohio, a community standing up to say, no, these, these aren't, these are our neighbors, our friends, our family.

We love them.

And at the end of the day, whatever happens can happen, but it's not without a fight.

And you are one of the people helping to lead that fight.

Yeah, I think it's like that's the most important part right is like we can't if we quietly let these things happen and we just say oh well It's our role in our responsibility right now I mean we had teachers that have those have those kids in their classrooms and local business owners and Veterans and everybody saying this is not you know It's not right and I think across the board no matter where you are look for the ways This is hitting in your own community and get loud about it because let's go down kicking and screaming if that's what

happens absolutely Silence is acquiescence.

Yep

Silence is acquiescence.

Cindy from Appleton.

I see you there.

We're going to take you on the other side and continue our conversation with Emily Zephos.

She's the chair of the out of gaming Democratic Party.

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We are joined by Emily Zephos, chair of the Out of Gaming Democratic Party, and we are talking about New London, Wisconsin, and a group of Haitian immigrants who were admitted to the U.S.

in 2023 under a humanitarian parole program, the legal refugee program under which they were admitted, requires that they work.

And yet, at the end of last month, the Trump administration told more than a half a million people from Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela that they have to get out.

855-752-4842.

Cindy from Appleton has been waiting very patiently.

Good morning, Cindy.

What do you want to say about this?

Well, this really disturbs me whether they're natural-born citizens or not.

they are not getting their due process.

And my question is, when they're done with the people that they deem not being here, should be here legally, when are they going to start picking on the rest of us, like the poor people and the old people and people they just don't want here anymore?

This starts at the bottom and works its way up, so we all need to be concerned because we don't know who's next on the list.

Absolutely, Cindy.

Thank you for calling.

And that's why I wanted to talk about this to start off with this morning.

If you think this kind of treatment is not going to affect you or someone you know, I think that's very naive.

It was naive before the election happened.

People are finding out now.

And they're gonna continue to find, I mean, Emily, who is our guest, spoke about in the last segment how she had to talk to a gentleman who just equated Haitians in the city working and contributing to open borders.

And the question is, when will, I hate to say it in this way, it's so cliche, but when are they gonna come for you?

And Emily, unfortunately, a lot of it depends upon where people are getting their information from, right?

Right right and I think like we have such I mean a unique and incredible and heavy responsibility right now because it is about Trying to break through that and I think like the way to break through that is to bring it home and to say these are people in your community You know and and whether we're talking about like this Tyson situation in New London or the foundry and will pack up like there are different businesses across this entire state and we need people to Sound the alarm to break through that message and to remind people

that this is the legal immigration you wanted.

Like these are people that came under the cover that you wanted.

You can't conflate or convolute the two.

Well, and it would be also refreshing to hear the heads of some of these companies coming out and speaking out against this.

As you said, Tyson in New London is the one of the employers who has been employing these refugees.

And I would think it would be incumbent upon them to come out and say, hey, these are our workers.

Leaving them alone.

Right.

I mean, you'd hope.

And frankly, we're not seeing that.

I think part of what is happening here, when we talk about the snowball that is going at an increasing speed down the hill, we need those people to be loud, especially in those in positions of power.

So businesses to stay and stand up for these people.

And if we don't.

There's no stopping it.

And it's really about educating the people and getting as loud as you can in whatever capacity and whatever networks that you can to work those things and say, hey, this isn't right.

It hasn't been right.

We need to stand up.

Well, and as we said too, even leading up to the most recent election, Emily, it's about share what you know.

Because again, if folks are only watching one source of media, Fox, they're not getting the whole picture because they're not.

It's about talking to your neighbors, talking to folks you go to church with, talking to kids, to the parents at baseball games

and

stuff like that, and sharing what you know about what is happening.

They might not be the easiest conversations to have, but as we say nothing, then we are part of the problem.

Absolutely.

Emily.

Yeah, we've only got a couple of minutes left before before we got to go to the top of the hour news I'm wondering how you're feeling about Ben Wickler's announcement that he is stepping down as the head of the Wisconsin Democrats

Yes, big news came last Thursday.

I believe I am grateful to the work that Ben has done and what he set up for all of us and I know that across the board we are anxiously awaiting

a new chair this coming June and are hopeful that that person really understands, I think.

the current climate so that we can employ those of us on the ground, that infrastructure that exists across the state to be as effective as possible this year and with everything that's going on with the Trump administration and then subsequently in 26 and 28.

So we can really build, including those of us on the ground and really be stronger than we've ever been before.

So really appreciate it, Ben.

Really excited about some of the candidates that have already thrown their hat in the ring and I look forward to seeing the, you know, the full field so we can make an informed decision.

It's going to be interesting.

It really is big shoes to fill.

Yeah.

Big shoes to fill because

Ben

Wickler has.

really done amazing things here in Wisconsin.

Just like you, Emily Zippo's

chair of

the out of gamey democratic party.

Thanks so much, Emily.

Really appreciate your time.

Yeah, thank you.

Have a great day.

You too.

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Busy hour coming your way this hour after the 1130 news.

We will lighten it up with our segment we call Audio Sorbet.

Today, we're going to talk about whether or not you talk to yourself.

And what do you say?

This is this is something I did over the weekend when I was working in the garden.

Now I'm fairly certain my neighbor thinks I'm nuts.

Do you talk to yourself?

And what do you say that's coming up after the 1130 news?

We'll wrap it up with this shouldn't be a thing.

Today it's the blown away edition.

Calvin found this one.

It's a dandy stick around for that.

Right before we went to the news, we were talking with Emily Zephos about the

Haitian immigrants in New London who are here legally under a legal program that has all kinds of requirements that they follow.

And yet the Trump administration at the end of last month said, no, you got to go.

And we were talking also about this man that was erroneously by the Trump administration's own admission, sent mistakenly to this gulag in El Salvador, but they can't get him back.

Well,

Now, Donald Trump is in the Oval Office with the president of El Salvador, who says, I don't have the power to return him to the US.

How is that even possible?

Trump administration says we can't get him back.

It's a sovereign country.

And now the president of that country is saying, I don't have the power to return him.

Cool.

So he's stuck in limbo.

Who does then?

Then we'll go, then, then, then you're useless, sir.

Naib Bukeli, you're useless.

We don't need to talk to you.

Do we need to talk to your parliament, to your Congress?

Who is in charge there?

It seems like Donald Trump is in charge.

According to this bulwark article that will be in both hours of the show notes now, but this is, I mean, at least be a real authoritarian and be like, no.

I'm not going

to.

I won't.

It's my country.

I choose not to

at least do that.

I don't have the power.

You're the president of the country.

We extradite people from other countries all the all the time.

We negotiate to get people back all the time, but not in this instance.

No, no, no,

because the Trump administration can't admit they made a mistake.

Can you declare war?

I can.

Can you sell us weapons?

I can.

Can you get us money?

I can.

Can we get this guy back?

Yeah, no, that's the one thing I can't know.

Yeah, that's

too much.

God, too tough, too tough.

I can't do that.

We will talk more about this on Thursday.

I'm

assuming

with Jim Santel.

Sorry, I am very...

I know.

This is very, very disturbing.

That should disturb everyone in this country.

But again, we will keep... We'll keep our eyes on this.

as things continue to develop.

Hard to believe that we're here, but we are.

Also hard to believe that we're here.

This from NPR from Alejandra Barunda with the byline, major budget cuts proposed for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which is known as NOAA.

The agency's budget for 2026 would be cut by more than 25% from its current level of about $6 billion.

The draft cuts to NOAA's research operations and fisheries services are particularly severe.

Greg McClain is a former director of NOAA.

He says if these go into effect, the cuts will take us back to the 1950s in terms of our scientific footing and the American people.

does seem to be part of the goal of the Trump administration is to turn back time.

They love to turn back.

Oh, the good old days, Jane.

The good old days.

The good old days when men were men and women just shut your mouths and there's no climate change and their kids don't talk and hey, they can work all night long in a factory.

It's the good old days, Jane.

Exactly.

All we need to do is stick our hand out the window.

Is it wet?

No, it's not raining.

Fine.

We talked about this considerably leading up to the presidential election because this is part of Project 2025, which of course, Donald Trump said he didn't know anything about, but he didn't like all of it, even though he didn't know what it was about.

But yes, the Project 2025 really hates Noah.

Yeah.

It said it needed to be broken up and downsized.

Because.

According to Project 2025, NOAA is part of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry.

Laying out ways that their science research, they want it stopped.

I really want to, we were talking about on Thursday, we also have Brittany Merlow in on Thursday, who is a meteorologist, a train meteorologist.

I would like to ask her how it feels to be part of the what again?

the climate giant

main drivers of the climate change alarm industry.

Yeah, you know, that group of science nerds just going out there doing the good work, making sure that houses aren't blown away by tornadoes.

And we can make sure that storms are at least known about before they do major damage or just letting us know if the weekend will be nice.

And Britney is actually we've talked about this with her before about the advances that we have made.

Yes.

And tornadoes are still notoriously unpredictable.

But the science has been getting a little bit better to give people more than hopefully a 10 second heads up.

That's why they do what they do

to

help protect us.

And I wonder, and this is just me being a petty boy, I know that this group has no love for climate change science.

which most of scientists agree on is true, that climate change is the thing.

But also, the example that's always brought up is when Donald Trump decided to change a map with a Sharpie showing an incorrect pattern for a hurricane,

And that caused a huge scandal.

That was a big story.

I mean, most of those things he does will dissipate in 24 hours.

But that stayed on the radar, and it made him look like a fool because he was trying to push his not knowing anything about weather knowledge.

And people said, this is wrong.

He can't do this.

This is dangerous.

And the people within the industries said, this is bad.

So to me, this is also just another one of those, hey, you smack us.

We'll smack you back 10 times harder.

Well, it's you made me look bad.

You, you, you pointed out that I was wrong.

Yeah.

And Donald Trump, as we all know, is never wrong.

Oh, dear leader is always right.

He is never wrong.

And as you said to Greg, the vast majority of scientists research, decades of research, decades of research by thousands of scientists in the US and across the world have linked rising atmospheric carbon dioxide

with a warming earth and human activities, burning coal, gas and other fossil fuels, the primary cause of rising greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which then again affects our daily weather patterns.

I'm 65 years old.

These are not

We don't have the winters we used to have.

We don't

have the springs we used to have.

We have far more floods.

We have far more tornadoes.

We have far more fires than we've ever, ever had.

Was it two summers ago that we saw

smoke from Canada fires?

And they said, get used to that.

It will happen more often.

And it never happened before that.

And this, again, the climate change.

big industry, whatever they want to call it.

They want to make it seem like it's a cadre of meteorologists and other scientists who are somehow pushing this agenda.

They're not making billions of dollars.

They're not walking the halls of Congress with power writing legislation saying, I'm a climate scientist.

These are people who are working in earnest to help saying, hey, here's some data.

There you go.

But this is the world we live in now, Jane.

This is the world of absolutely celebrating ignorance, saying, well, I don't know if this tenured professor from college really knows what they're talking about.

But that's what we accept.

We accept that as, well, it's part of the conversation.

No, this is not part of the conversation.

This is nothing but political retribution.

And we are, once again, less than three months in, and we're seeing it in every form of government.

We're seeing it from the financial side with those.

We're seeing it in immigration.

And they're going to pick apart our departments that try to help us.

This whole thing of like three letter departments are really the death knell of government.

What did they do?

What did they do to me?

What did?

No, nothing.

It's these people in power who are who hate the IRS because they hate paying their taxes.

So they're going to pick apart the IRS.

It's these the Department of Education who.

Want to just teach kids, but not about Christians.

So we want to take them apart too.

This is just one more step towards Trump being King the king is

essentially Essentially earlier this week hundreds of NOAA employees who had been fired in February and Then got rehired under a court order Once again got fired.

That's not expensive at all.

No.

Oh onboarding people that doesn't cost

anything.

Every money-making business does stuff

like this.

Well, we're running government like a business chain.

And the question I have, and I don't know this question if someone can answer this, or maybe Jim can answer this, they are federal employees, if they're fired at just willy-nilly, they're entitled to...

Ask for unemployment insurance then am I correct or I don't know if it's different for federal federal employees That's an excellent question if they are entitled to ask or and they do get it.

That's also more money being spent in this terrible terrible position

eight five five seven five two four eight four two if you would like to join the conversation Tom from Jackson is on the line.

Good morning Tom Thanks for joining us.

What'd you want to say?

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There will be no climate change if we just don't have anybody run to talk about it.

Everybody close your eyes.

It's

not happening.

It's

not happening.

None of it is real.

Everything is fine.

Just like childcare in Wisconsin, which we're going to talk about next.

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She don't mean no!

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Join our friend and colleague Todd Alba today from noon to 2 p.m.

At the top of the show today, he will share how it's not just measles spreading in Wisconsin.

Dr. Kristen Lierly has told us Wisconsin is second last to getting our kids as far as vaccination rates go.

we can do better than that.

Absolutely.

And also, they do what's worse every day, which is great.

It's kind of our audio survey segment, but in what's worse forms.

So Todd, today, they're going to be talking about bathroom cleanliness.

That should be fascinating.

What's

worse?

Oh, I've got questions.

OK.

Now you've got to

listen.

Gosh.

Now you've got to listen between noon and 2 PM.

We have been talking a lot of the morning so far about this.

Man who has been sent to El Salvador even though the Supreme Court has ordered he be returned the Trump administration has admitted Because of a clerical error.

He was mistakenly sent to essentially this gulag in El Salvador Donald Trump is in the Oval Office right now with the president of El Salvador who he says the president of El Salvador now says

He does not have the power to return him to the United States.

And now, according to what Sienna is saying, Pam Bondi, the AG is saying, he's part of MS-13, which is what they're going to say to justify what they're doing.

There's no evidence to show that.

None.

He's a family man.

He's a guy.

He's someone here who shouldn't have been sent away.

This should concern all of us.

Yep.

Just as the lack of childcare in Wisconsin.

should concern all of us.

Oh, I wanted to share one comment from Jack from Merrimack.

Yeah.

Well, you were talking about NOAA and the cuts to NOAA before we went to the break.

And Jack makes an excellent point.

The Trump administration doesn't want science stopped.

They only want the results to be in accordance with their principles.

That's what it said in Project 2025.

Yes, we talked about that last year.

They only support science if it agrees

with the opinions of the White House.

I'm pretty sure that's not how you science.

That's not how you science at all.

If you look up the definition of the scientific method, at no point do you factor in governmental biases.

No.

Not at all.

That's not how science sciences.

As Jack says, in short, they want to determine the results first and then have the science back up their opinions.

Yeah.

Again, that's backwards.

which then

means they're going to hire loyalists and not real scientists.

Absolutely.

To come up with the answers that they want.

And it won't be hard.

They're just going to say, well, climate change is not as big a deal.

How do you know that?

We've done it.

We've done the breeding.

It's fine.

Trust

us.

We have the data.

Yeah.

We have the data.

Trust us.

That's been completely manipulated to agree with what we say.

Yeah.

Nothing to see here.

Everything's fine.

This is from Rebecca Lourof.

from the Appleton Post Crescent, survey and anti-child care stabilization funds could mean fewer childcare providers and higher costs to parents.

According to a survey released April 10th by the Wisconsin Department of Children and Families, a quarter of childcare providers in Wisconsin are likely to shut down without further funding from childcare counts.

This was created when we were under the COVID pandemic.

It gives direct payments to childcare providers across Wisconsin.

So far, it's given out about $600 million to over 5,000 childcare providers.

It ended in January, but it was kept going with emergency funding through June of this year.

The emergency funding, $170 million.

Governor Evers had requested $340 million.

But now, again, in June, that funding goes away entirely.

25% of providers say they are more likely to close.

And we had Kareen Henriksen on

last

week, talking about the difficulties.

I mean, her and those in the industry have had to make major price hikes and really, really clamp down on what they're doing.

And people are upset justifiably so, and they can't afford to put their kids in childcare anymore.

And it's not like, by the way, this is dealing too is.

Korea has made it very clear.

These price hikes are not going to supplement an extravagant lifestyle.

They're not driving Lexus.

No, they're not.

And, and a childcare worker is still

not making like $13 an hour.

If that some of them are making less.

So these are necessary changes that happen because of this funding being just, I mean, this big cutoff boom done.

But they love children.

and families.

Jane, I have a question for you.

They're pro-family, Greg.

What should in the face of all of this happening?

There's gotta be a solution.

Are there any solutions they've offered up?

Any suggestions on how to make childcare easier in the face of less funding?

Yes, women should just leave the workforce and stay home and take care of their kids.

Let me write that down,

all right.

That's the answer.

We're gonna put that one under the good old days.

78% of childcare providers say they expect to raise their weekly tuition for infant care

by at least $25, 21% of them, 17% say they're going to raise it by at least $50.

That's going to add $1,300 to $2,600 to families' yearly childcare costs, which are already very, very high.

Peggy from Brooklyn, good morning, Peggy.

Thank you for joining us on the phone.

What do you want to say?

So when I worked for the feds, childcare was moved right there to the hospital.

which is great.

I worked for the veteran's hospital.

Also, when I worked for the feds with vaccines, I actually went to work because I was one of their older techs going to retire in three or four years.

I went to work and said to one of my docs, is this really real or is this fake?

And he said, well, Peggy, we got to go by the scientific version.

and so far everything Prince points to this is real and someone will probably die from this that works with you and you're being the oldest tech it might be you so I was like okay then I went and talked to a far right doctor who said the same thing he said no no no I can't vote for Trump I'm a Republican but he needs to follow science then I went and talked to two of my ICU nurses and said is this for real and they said

I just put three young men, 200 pounds on ventilators last night, and none of them made it to the morning.

Thank you, Peggy.

I word right up against the clock.

I'm sorry to cut you off.

Yeah, science is real.

Yeah.

Very real.

And important and should be funded.

And it shouldn't be there to agree with results that have already been predetermined.

All right, news coming up next.

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We do this every day.

Try and lighten things up just a little bit because we do talk a lot about politics and very heavy things.

Today was heavy.

Today was heavy.

There's a lot of things going on that are very important, but we're still gonna take a breath.

Yes, we are.

We're

gonna take a cleansing breath.

It's our audio sorbet segment.

Here's the question today.

Do you talk to yourself?

And what do you say?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 8-5-5-7-5 Civic, do you talk to yourself?

And what do you say?

So every day before the show...

We have our prep time.

We

get together.

We talk about stories in the news.

We talk about what we want to discuss on the show.

And Jane, you said to me, I don't know if this is a thing, but, and then you gave me the impetus of this discussion.

Go ahead and tell the people.

So I worked in the garden quite a bit this weekend.

I worked like four hours on Saturday and then another hour and a half, two hours yesterday.

And I have had some back issues over the years.

I have sciatica that comes and goes.

But anyway, after about 25 minutes, I started getting sore.

And I was cleaning up along the neighbor's house, cleaning up the hostabets.

And after again, about 20, 25 minutes, my back really starts to bother me.

So I have this continual litany of ow.

That's all I say is ow.

Ow, ow, ow.

And I'm not screaming, ow!

It's more ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.

It's like you're speaking your own language.

It is.

And I'm not humming.

I'm not singing.

It's just ow.

I am just owing out loud because it hurts.

And all I can think of was my neighbor must think I am nuts.

She must think I'm just bonkers.

I mean, how long has she lived next to you?

A couple years.

Is this the first time you've ever done that?

So, so, so often.

because

I was

working right along her windows.

And the whole time when I was working yesterday, it was nothing but ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.

So I started wondering, am I only the only one who talks to myself out loud?

And what do you say?

I think the resounding

response to that is absolutely, positively, no, you are not the

only one.

I'm not

the only one.

Alicia Saunders on the live stream.

I debate myself regularly.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.