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Legal wise.
that are of interest, I think, to a lot of us.
So Jim Santel will be here, including whether or not the sitting president can go after law firms who represent people he doesn't like.
That seems not legal to me.
But again, that's why I'm not a lawyer.
We're lawyer adjacent,
as we
always say.
That's why we talk to people who are actually experts.
So Jim Santel will be joining us.
After 10 33 next hour, Brittany Merleau will be here with a little weather and wine for an update southeast in Wisconsin.
It's going to be summertime tomorrow.
80 to what she said 80 degrees on Pat Kratler show
this morning.
If you were watching the live stream right now, you are seeing me sell a braid.
It's not going to last, of course,
but thanks.
I
know.
Well, Brittany will have an update for us around 1121.
The Journal of Sentinels sports guru J.R.
Radcliffe will be here today is opening day, baby.
Brewers opening day.
So we will talk about that with J.R.
The home opener is tomorrow.
Correct.
No, it's just the home over is on Monday.
The hopper knows on Monday.
They're first they're first in New York.
They're in New York this weekend, and then they're gonna be coming home and Yeah, come on home boys.
We miss you and we
will wrap up the show as we always do
With this shouldn't be a thing.
Today it's the extra crispy edition.
This might be
my favorite one
ever.
Wow.
And we want to thank Cardi, who is producer for Earl.
Yeah.
Who is the one who gave us a heads up about this one.
I was God.
I'm yeah.
I
love art.
You'll want to stick around for that.
Just a reminder as we're talking about the crew brewers at the Yankees, our broadcast today on certain civic media stations starts today at 1 30 if you want to listen in.
You can catch the Brewers and the Yankees at WRCE and Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh, WRJN here in Racine and Kenosha, WCQM in Park Falls, and our newest Brewers affiliate, WBZH in Hayward.
And you have to listen to it on the radio.
You do.
It does not
stream.
But man, let me tell you.
You're excited.
I know you how much you love
I love but I love baseball on the radio, too There's just it's just like that one of those last vestiges of like the old timey worlds like all the olden days listen and like sitting on your porch putting on a little radio turning on the ballgame Come
on.
It's interesting that you say that though.
One of my most poignant memories about the Brewers.
Yeah, was that hitting streak?
Yes
And we were sitting on the porch.
It was Easter.
And it was a beautiful day, and we're all on the porch.
And we got the game on in the background.
And yeah, it's very evocative.
Yes, it is.
I love
baseball.
So again, baseball coverage starting today on those select civic media stations.
Our coverage begins at 1.30 today.
We wanted to start off, though, just days away.
Tuesday, election day.
Supreme Court spot open and.
It's between Judge Susan Crawford, former Attorney General, Brad Schimmel.
Now, there's some... I shouldn't be surprised by this, but I guess I still am.
The blatant lies that are involved now with campaigns barely makes anybody blink anymore.
I was listening to an ad on our very civic media network.
They're from the campaign.
And just to clarify
this,
because you're being bombarded now on television and radio.
And no matter what you're looking at, on YouTube, the ads are endless.
We are required as a...
radio company under the FCC.
Civic media is required to run ads that come directly from campaigns.
Correct.
It's different if it comes from a PAC that is supporting a candidate than we have a little bit more leeway about what we decide to air.
But if the ads come directly from the campaign as a company, we are required to air those ads.
So yeah, you're going to hear lots of things.
But the
shimmel one that I heard was just
preposterous, making her seem like a, like, supported by the devil, basically.
Oh, well, I didn't
know he
voted.
Here's the latest thing, this with Kelly Meyerhofer from the Milwaukee Journal, Sentinel.
Dark Money-funded mailers now identify Republican-backed superintendent candidate Brittany Kinzer as a Democrat.
Huh!
Hmm.
Way to go, Brittany, I guess.
Brittany Kinzer, of course, running against the incumbent Jill Underly to head up Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction.
She has claimed she's a blue dog Democrat.
She has donated to Democrats in the past.
But most recently, according to my understanding, she has worked with Moms for Liberty.
Moms for Liberty is not a Democratic organization.
No, it's a far,
far, far right group.
that essentially wants to kill public schools so we can funnel everyone into private schools.
That's what Moms for Liberty wants.
They have their hands also very, very deep into the school board races.
Yes, they do.
The Dark Money Group has identified state superintendent candidate Brittany Kinzer as a Democrat in mailers, despite her campaign being largely backed by Republicans.
Charters Schools Action Fund.
Shelled out about 40 grand for these mailers, encouraging voters to cast your ballot for Brittany Kinzer for Democrat Brittany Kinzer in the state's superintendent election on April 1st.
The incumbent in the race, Jim Jill Underly, is a Democrat.
Brittany Kinzer is not a Democrat.
And also I'm looking at my ballot right now.
These are nonpartisan races, so they're not even going to.
Oh, they're not even listed.
I don't even like if there's no D or R behind the name.
Nope.
And, and also if this could backfire, Jane, you say, say Republican who doesn't keep up
because we,
as we said before, people have lives.
Say
you're
Republican, you never vote for Democrats.
And you get a mailer saying, vote for the Democrat.
All right.
Well, I'm not voting for her.
Who's the other late Jill Underly?
I'll vote for her.
She must be a Republican
who
has my interest in minds then.
So there you go.
I've done my civic duty.
I'm going to go get brunch because Jane Matinear told me get brunch on voting day.
Brunch or lunch, whatever works.
Or early supper.
That can do that too.
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If you want to join in this discussion, Tim from Eau Claire is on the line.
Good morning, Tim.
Thanks for joining us.
What do you want to say?
Yeah, I've been seeing ads on all kinds of places to be in other other places that it's for Derek Van Orden and correctly if I'm wrong, but
It says that he's for expanding Medicaid and increasing social security payments.
He is totally out of step with the Trump agenda.
Absolutely.
But
that's, but see, that's the thing, Tim, is that they can say whatever they want in their ads.
They can say whatever they want in those ads.
It's true.
They love social security.
They love Medicare and Medicaid.
They want to make sure, Tim, that you get what you deserve.
And then the moment that adds over.
Real life comes in and he's supporting massive cuts to all of those entitlements that we've paid into over decades and decades.
Yeah, it's interesting, Tim, as far as candidates are not limit.
They can say anything they want.
Yeah.
That is allowed by law, even though you would think we could do something about that.
But no, they're and I don't understand exactly why they are allowed either side to tell blatant lies, but they are.
There should be a pants on fire like
Like the Washington Post used
to do well Pinocchio's no I mean like a fine like if you if you say you're for expanding Medicare and Medicaid and all the things and you don't pants on fire fine I don't know who would issue is
gonna who's gonna enforce
that
we volunteer Yes, that's gonna help.
Thanks a lot Tim appreciate that and it's just a good reminder again to Do a little investigating on your own.
Yeah, talk to other folks who you think might be
maybe they're a little more deep into it, who can explain some of it.
Or if you're deep into it, share that knowledge.
Share the knowledge.
Rob from McFarland joined to this show yesterday, and I heard him on Todd's show yesterday afternoon, and he had the greatest point.
People are far more likely, if you live within that community, to believe you if you are their neighbor, as opposed to some outsider coming in and saying, here's what this person stands for.
So if you feel relatively well informed, share what you know.
Talk
to folks that you know.
And it's actually more important than ever because right now we have an influx of people being, whether they're from out of town or living in town, they're being hired by these PACs to just get your vote.
Like they don't know anything about the candidates.
So if you know something about these individuals, share that knowledge and get out there and really, you know, have a good conversation.
I mean, how many candidates do we talk to last year?
who were knocking on doors and Republicans would open the door and they'd say, I just want to talk to you.
And they'd sit and they'd have a real conversation because this person who says, I want to represent you, I want to talk to you about what you need.
What is important to you?
And things came from that.
So yes, I absolutely agree.
Those community discussions, I think, have more weight in the long run than TV.
Those ads just make people mad.
And I think we're to the tune out point as well.
Yes.
And it also makes me really grateful that, unlike the olden days, we have television remotes that can mute the volume.
It's so handy.
We had them back in the day, too.
They were called Your Children.
I love that.
Yes.
Go turn that down.
Steve from Milwaukee texting in, Kinzer is for vouchers, period.
She is.
Yes.
She's worked on behalf of charter schools and voucher schools.
And
yes.
Well, the other thing, too, I want to really reiterate is that I just do not believe that Brittany Kinzer is experienced enough to be running for this role.
I don't think she has the experience.
The experience.
I don't think she, you know, she has, you know, we had her on Pat Crite Low Show and she, she wants to, she wants kids get better at reading.
And that is a laudable, wonderful goal.
I want children to get better at reading.
Absolutely.
But the job is so much more than that.
And as an arbiter of truth, as someone on the live stream just told us, that's my truth for them is that I believe that Brittany Kinzer, while having a big heart for education and for kids, I don't think is the right choice for this job specifically.
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We were talking about the Tuesday election just days away, April 1st, heading to the polls among the also the Supreme Court race, obviously, with Judge Susan Crawford and Attorney former Attorney General Brad Schimmel and the.
Superintendent Race between Brittany Kinzer and Jill Underly.
Whistler from Richland Center is on the line, wanting to check in on the Superintendent Race.
Good morning, Whistler.
What do you want to say about this?
Morning, Jane.
And first of all, thank you very much for that hat.
I love it.
Good.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Glad you got it, Whistler.
Love the colors.
Yeah, I don't understand from things that I've heard.
uh, kids learn doesn't even have a teacher's educated teacher's license.
Not in Wisconsin.
She does
not.
Not in Wisconsin.
She does
not.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, and I understand that you don't have to have a license to be the head of the education department, but still she hasn't even had really any time teaching from what I understand in Wisconsin and also, uh, the, uh,
Never the program, uh, on PDF, uh, in the morning it was for kids, you know, and now it's worldwide.
Sesame
Street.
Sesame Street.
Yeah.
And reading rainbow.
Oh yeah.
You know, those things, you know, kids grew up watching that way.
You know, now.
Marjorie can't agree.
He wants to take it away from him.
Well.
They've been trying to take away PBS for
Yeah, for a long time.
They kind of hate PBS.
Yeah, they hate anything.
That's just, you know, nice and free to watch and helpful, apparently.
Unfortunately.
Gene from Moucler, we're going to take you real quickly.
Gene, if I go ahead, thanks for joining us.
We need everybody to get out there and vote because we need experts in these fields for the years to come.
Remember, the judge is the 10 year term.
Yep.
We cannot trust the guy who worked for Scotty Walker, because we're recovering from the mess he made in that chair.
We also need Underly in there, because as Trump goes after education, we need qualified people in there to make sure that our kids are educated and the teachers, we get good teachers.
So thanks a lot, guys, and keep up the great work.
Please get out and vote.
Voting starts now, and there's a lot of people in my area.
that only got flyers for BS.
So you guys, we need you over on your side to state that get out and vote and help us out.
Thank you.
Have a good day now.
Bye.
You too, Gene.
Thanks so much, Gene.
Gene's right.
Make a plan.
Early voting is underway.
You can go cast your ballot today.
Otherwise, make a plan to vote on Tuesday and take some friends with you.
Make it a thing.
It's important.
In the time that we have left, we don't often have much time to pat ourselves on the back.
I take a lot of time, but you never let
me.
We've been nominated for an award.
A very prestigious award.
The Wisconsin Broadcasters Association does this every year.
The event is in May.
We just found out that one of our entries is in the running for an award for a humor submission.
And when I was listening back to it, I realized, because we, we aired this last year.
Yes.
Before the presidential election.
It's still.
Tans stands the test of time.
Great art does that.
I would like to agree with you.
Whether or not it's great art or not, I thought, ah, let's give it a spin.
Calvin, let's play our submission for the Wisconsin Broadcasters Association Humor
Award.
Dear regular Americans, life can be hard.
Finding affordable housing, childcare that doesn't equal a mortgage payment and hoping your used car makes it another year.
We know what it's like to struggle.
Just try finding a decent Italian villa that doesn't need to be completely gutted.
Thirty-four million dollars a year just doesn't go as far as it used to, does it?
We know how much money it takes to buy a United States Supreme Court justice, so they'll rule in favor of our company's best interests, not yours.
So vote for the people who want to keep giving tax breaks to big corporations and the ultra-wealthy.
We're America's one percent, and we intend to keep it that
way.
Paid for by your taxes kind of a subsidiary of the we have we got nothing else superpeck.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh That really tongues at your heart strings
doesn't it make you feel all patriotic want to stand up
But when I, and thank you to Catherine Lake, by the way, who voiced it and produced it and submitted it actually to the Wisconsin Broadcasters Association.
But when she sent it to me yesterday, I had forgotten about it.
And it's like, oh my, this actually works for now.
Especially when we're talking about the Supreme Court race, I don't know, ruling in favor of the ultra wealthy and corporations, there is actually a great article in the Wisconsin Examiner.
that says the Wisconsin Supreme Court finally works for workers, billionaires want to change that.
We're going to include this in the show notes so you can take a look at it.
It's very, very interesting how the court rules when there is a more liberal majority and when there is a more conservative majority.
I think it's pretty easily identifiable who is the more favored group.
when it's the Republicans in charge.
And I just want to give a shout out to one of our biggest haters online said that that was not funny and stupid and untrue.
That makes me feel good.
It makes me feel like I'm doing something right then.
It's called humor.
Oh my gosh, it's just God.
I love it when I meet people who have zero senses of humor.
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Jim Santel is here.
Good morning, my friend.
How are you doing?
I'm Jay and Greg.
So good to see you.
And yes, indeed.
This is what happens when you invite me on your morning show.
The next thing you know, I'm taking over.
He's just what lawyers do.
Never
invite
a
lawyer.
This is
a
lot of things to talk about, Jim.
I did want to start off there when we address this a little bit last week because Donald Trump was going after a law firm that he didn't like.
Now he is going after a law firm.
for having a client that he didn't like.
That seems not a thing.
Right, it shouldn't be a thing.
It is illegal.
Yes, I'll use that word as well.
And likely, depending upon what the law firm, the law firm's name is Jenren Block.
And this is number four that he has targeted by virtue of his executive orders.
Once again, saying, I'm going to prevent you from getting into federal courthouses.
I'm going to keep you from getting security clearances, which limits your capacity to represent people, which is a key portion of our system of justice.
I'm going to do other things basically to try to shut you down, because once again, I don't like your clients.
You saw this initially with Perkins Cooey.
We talked about last week.
Why?
In part because Perkins Cooey has represented.
A citizen of the United States, her name is Hillary Clinton.
She used to be our secretary of state.
She used to be our first lady.
She was a senator from the state of New York and an amazing American.
We don't like her, and so we're going to shut down the law firm now.
Jane, as you just said, accurately, you've got another one, General Block.
They're located in Chicago, but they've got firms, places all around the country, throughout the world.
And we're going to try to stop them as well.
This, as we talked once again, should be, I recognize that lawyers may not be at the top of everyone's list in terms of advocacy for underprivileged groups.
Nonetheless, nonetheless, as we talked before, the lawyers, the judges right now are the ones who are providing the guardrails to keep this at least somewhat in line.
You begin to cut down those guardrails and then you have, you are opening the door.
I think the door is already open to the demise of our republic.
Can we translate this gym into an individual who might be listening?
Because if the Trump administration can do this to a law firm and go after them for representing a political client that they don't like, what is to stop them from doing this against any individual
who brings a lawsuit against the government that they don't like?
Absolutely.
We talk about big law because that's the four law firms.
They're very big and they do also.
I just want to say as well that the big law again, also often supports the small pieces of litigation, right?
There are many times when you get small groups of people, even individuals.
And the private individual sole practitioner does not have the capacity to handle these cases.
So they look to big law to provide some of the support.
That's sort of an aside.
But it does get to your very important question, which is, if the President of the United States of America can issue a document, sign his very elaborate signature to the bottom of it and say, I'm going to do things to prevent this big law from from happening.
There's no reason why the president, I'll pick on myself.
I'm a solo practitioner.
I have not affiliated with a law firm because I like to do all kinds of things, including this kind of thing, Jane, with you and Greg, and engage with the public.
If the president says, I don't want anybody to be engaging with Jim Santel, no representation by Jim Santel of teachers.
And I do some guardian and light'em work.
People are abasing eviction.
Other civil rights cases,
You target me, and that can also stop you from getting representation, and not just from me, but from other people as well.
This is not just attacking the big white shoe law firms in the southern portion of Manhattan.
This has implications across the board, and the big one, once again, is a part of this overall attack on rule of law, right?
We've talked about the judges, too.
The lawyers, once again, are the ones who are getting into court these days and saying,
No, we're asking a court to find that under the Constitution, you can't do this.
You cannot fire these people.
You can't shut down USAID.
You can't give the Musk team access to social security information.
That's what the lawyers are doing.
And that's what Donald Trump is trying to stop.
They're making sure that we are staying within the rule of law.
We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
That's precisely it.
We'll go once again to William Shakespeare, which I do routinely.
This is, I think it's Henry VI, Part II.
We've got a fellow named one of the more unseemly characters who wants to overthrow the king.
And what does he say?
First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
Now, people look at that and say, ah, the first lawyer joke ever from William Shakespeare.
Actually, it's not what he's doing.
When Dick the Butcher is the name of the character says that, he's saying, we want to take over.
We want to overthrow the king, the authority.
But we got to get rid of those people who are in our way.
That's the lawyers.
Donald Trump is maybe not literally killing the lawyers, but he's following in the paths of Dick the Butcher.
Well, and now he's even talking about impeaching judges who do not rule the way that he wants.
Right.
Right.
And thankfully, again, we've got a chief justice who has tepidly pushed back on that and said,
You know, Mr. President, impeachment is not the way we do this.
Let me give you a little civics training.
You should appeal this to a higher court.
That's very nice, Mr. Chief Justice, but as the three and four of us have talked in the past, wouldn't it have been nice if the Chief Justice, and not just nice, good and appropriate, if the Chief Justice had said full-throated back off, Mr. President, these attacks, the name calling that you've been doing, which is also threatening the judiciary,
the invocation to impeachment proceedings.
There have been impeachment articles introduced in the House of Representatives already.
They're not going anywhere and thankfully Mike Johnson is not interested in that, at least not in that area.
But all of this once again suggests to the public that indeed it is those judges, it's the lawyers, it's all those people who dress like I am today who are causing the problem in America.
Our president is trying to get rid of them as a way of seeing clear to a better America.
It's just the opposite.
And that's the message that I think you're sending so well on this broadcast every single day.
Jim Santel is our guest.
He's a host of Amicus.
a law review which you can catch across the network from 9 to 11 on Saturday mornings.
I think it's important to remind people, especially after the 2020 election, when there were all of these claims of massive voter fraud and that's why Trump lost the election, there were numerous, there were more than 60 court cases that went in front of judges that were Trump appointees.
Is that accurate?
Absolutely.
You had Republican appointees, Democrat appointees, including some of Donald Trump and Barack Obama, and going back to Jimmy Carter era, that kind of thing.
Everybody looked at this and said, there's no there, there.
And what did they do?
However, another important rule when it comes to even understanding this Venezuelan issue, all the judges said, all right, you've got a right to do process in court.
You've got to claim Rudy Giuliani that somehow in Wisconsin or in Florida, other places,
There has been corruption of our system.
I will hear that.
I'll entertain that.
Bring the evidence forward.
Yes.
Have people testify.
Let's get documents.
That's what we embrace and join to the point you just made in the end unanimously.
All these judges of all backgrounds and in all geographies say there's no there there.
There's nothing to look at.
No indication whatsoever of any fraud and yet and yet.
On Tuesday of this week, once again, our president issues in another executive order.
And this one, again, we've talked about this before in other settings, requires now proof of citizenship to register to vote and the return of mail ballots by election day.
Now, I raise that not to indicate that any of that is real.
None of that to your listeners.
None of that requires that on Tuesday, when you go to the polling, you do not need to show up with your proof of citizenship.
The point of it is that once again, he's invoking that notion that somehow we've got to clean up the history where there's been this fraud of people who are voting who are not registered, who are not citizens.
And the most important thing once again, Jane and Greg, is he's got no authority to do that.
Another judge will come in and say, no, no, the president is the one person in our system who has no role in deciding the presidency.
The Congress does, they code and electoral votes, right?
The judiciary can.
And the states are the ones.
They're the ones who established the times, places, and manner of elections.
That's what we're doing on Tuesday.
Let's get out there and vote and celebrate that.
Donald Trump, once again, 48 hours ago, you did something you've got no legal capacity to do.
Do not scare the American public into thinking you should be dissuaded into voting.
And do not rewrite history to suggest
that in 2020 or any time, including this coming Tuesday, there was massive fraud in America.
Stop it, Mr. President.
I was just going to say we talked about this last week, Jim, is that
You know, the, the, these, all these elected officials, including the president are sworn to defend the constitution, but it's really right now the judges who are doing, the lawyer is bringing the cases to, to the courts, but the judge is standing in the way of the constitution and making sure that it's protected, which is, I don't know the job of the president, but he doesn't seem to think so.
He thinks he is the constitution.
He does.
Which is terrifying.
Right.
And we've got James Posberg, who's one of those judges right now out there with the.
Venezuelan immigrants.
We can chat more about this.
And James Bosberg is once again not finding that these folks who are now apparently in this high security prison in El Salvador, he's not finding who they were.
As his point, he wants to know who they were.
He wants to give them the due process, which is entitled, everybody who is present here is entitled to that.
And what does James Bosberg get for simply saying due process?
He gets name called and he gets articles of impeachment.
plainly the pushback as is to him and now we've also got an appeals court that's likewise supported him also now being on the receiving end of these attacks because of course they are also corrupt when is this going to end and it really does threaten our republic
well speaking on behalf of speaker of the house mike johnson jim i'm just going to say
We know intuitively that just these things are going on.
And we just know intuitively that there's massive voter fraud.
And we know intuitively that all these people that we got rid of from our country without due process, we just know deep inside that they're guilty.
We're going to talk more about due process and how that sets our country apart from so many others and why this is important for all of us.
for all of us.
Stay with us.
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He is host of Amicus, a law review which you can catch Saturday mornings across the network from 9 to 11 a.m.
We did want to talk a little bit about due process, Jim.
And I've seen some things coming in on our on our live stream and various emails and things.
Why are you protecting these horrible people, these gang members from Venezuela?
And why do you want murders and rapists, you know, running around the country?
That's not what that's not what this is.
Explain what due process is and what that means to all of us as American citizens.
Absolutely.
And the questions, which I understand where they come from, are premised upon ultimately making the decision about who these people are, who are those 200.
And that's the question, right?
If you are apprehended in this country, you're stopped while you're driving, someone comes to your door and arrests you, and you are simply put in a van, in a plane, a train somewhere, and you're transported away.
Plainly, there has been no due process.
Why?
You do not have the chance to appear in front of a neutral magistrate, a judge, presumably with someone representing you, somebody on the other side, that adversarial system.
I will use myself as an example.
Figure out who Jim Santel is.
Did I commit that bank robbery?
Where was I when it happened?
All of those kinds of things are part of what we call evidentiary hearings.
In front of a judge who figures out
whether there is a basis for the government to apprehend me, to do something to detain me, to deprive me of my liberty, and to go down that road.
Every single person for 238 years in our country, you don't have to be a citizen.
And this is another important civics point.
The Supreme Court and all the courts have always said, in our wonderful nation, if you are here, we extend to you the blessings of liberty.
And that means that everybody
Everybody gets that due process.
And in the wake of that process, you've got a judge who makes a determination and she or he will say, you know what, Jim Santel, I think you committed that bank robbery and I'm going to ultimately impose a penalty upon you.
We also have an appellate process, right?
If I'm unhappy with that, that's also a part of the due process aspect of this.
And so as to the 200 Venezuelan immigrants, that's the point.
And you've got judges right now, if I can, Jane and Greg.
Just a couple of bit yesterday, you said the government's removal scheme denies plaintiffs, even I love this, a gossamer thread.
Use that five times today, Greg.
Well, you're a gossamer thread of due process.
Even though, and here we go, even though the government, this is the Trump administration appearing in front of the appeals court earlier this week, even though the government acknowledges their right
to judicial review of their removable.
That's the lawyer talk, which basically says Pam Bondi says they should have gotten due process.
You've got appellate court judges.
This is Patricia Mallett.
You've also got another judge who's named Karen Henderson, the same extent, and James Bosberg, the district court judge we talked about right before the break.
He's saying the same thing.
If we stop giving people due process to your very good point, Jane, on this matter,
then we are all subject to non-Isles.
Summary justice, that's not what America is about.
We need to embrace this, not because I know what those 200 people have done.
Maybe it is that they are a threat to our nation.
Maybe it is that this law can be invoked.
We don't know that yet.
If the Department of Justice is unilaterally circumventing,
our process, every single American should be wildly concerned about that.
If they can grab someone off the streets based on a tattoo, Greg, you have tattoos.
Yep, lots of them.
They can come to you and say, that is a suspicious tattoo that is associated with whatever group, and we're just going to grab you and disappear you.
If they are allowed to do that, they can do that to all of us.
And
this is
what sets our country apart from so many other countries where they can just disappear you and put you into a prison and your family can't find you or they send you to a work camp.
This is one of the things that makes America what it is, do process.
At the risk of sounding very self-important here, I spent two years in Iraq in the wake of Saddam Hussein establishing new courts, new processes.
He went into prisons there and found people who were there.
And we could not figure out why they were there.
And we got them in front of judges who said, let's figure this out.
And we didn't have a lot of records.
But in the end, there was a due process of forwarded people, even in that situation, to clean up the history and to make certain that they are treated like human beings.
Jane, you got it just right.
That's what we're about.
That's frankly why we're voting on Tuesday here in Wisconsin and in other places.
If we stop doing that and we permit a Donald Trump PAM body administration to do this,
We're losing everything else.
The door is not just open.
It's being walked through then wildly.
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Thank you so much, Jim.
Really, really appreciate your time.
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When we come back, Medicare, Medicaid fraud, maybe not coming from someone you would expect.
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Okay.
I wanted to talk about this because we touched on this very
briefly yesterday.
Howard Lutnick is our new commerce secretary.
Howard Lutnick is worth several.
He's a multimillionaire.
Yes,
they're all millionaires.
Pretty much
within the new Trump cabinet.
Howard Lutnik had some thoughts on people who could get their Social Security payments later.
Here is what Howard Lutnik had to say about Social Security recipients.
who, because of things going on with the changes there and the cuts there and the office closures there, might not be getting their SSI payments on time.
Calvin, let's play that clip from Howard Lutnik,
please.
makes the loudest noise, screaming, yelling and complaining, do they?
I, I, okay.
Every time I hear it, I get a little bit, because I just think of a little old lady at the social security office, finally losing her mind because she's being screwed over by guys like him.
and other millionaires when all she wants is the 1200 bucks that she's been paying into for seven decades.
And he has the nerve to say that kind of behavior means well, she's a fraudster.
Again, I don't dispute that there is fraud likely and and.
things that should not be happening within so many different groups, but assuming that everyone who calls me because their check is late is a cheat, I think is a stretch, especially after I happened upon this article this morning from WeAreGreenBay.com.
Adam Rosen with the byline, the headline reads, they stole from every taxpayer in the country.
Wisconsin man ordered to pay $2.2 million in restitution to Medicaid and Medicare.
He just got 21 months in prison.
Yes, Justin Drew Hansen and a co-defendant convicted.
They worked on a three-year scheme.
They paid money to a substance abuse treatment clinic owner in exchange for referrals
for urine drug testing.
So essentially they worked with this substance abuse clinic owner to get him to order urine tests that were unnecessary.
And so they got all this money for Medicare and Medicaid that was paying for these urine tests that were unnecessary.
I bring this up again because when we talk about fraud and abuse,
I think there is this automatic assumption that the people who do this are poor people.
I don't think that's accurate.
I'm gonna take it out even further.
I believe that most people who, when you deal with the Latinx of the world and the people who do believe that, they not only believe it's a poor people, but it's probably gonna be people of color, people who are illegal immigrants, scamming the system.
They're anybody but just your neighbor or...
someone who might be rich as well.
It turns out because they mentioned that this gentleman, Justin Drew Hansen of River Hills.
Is that where he
lives?
He lives in River Hills.
So
I did a little investigating and I found his house in River Hills.
Yeah.
How much is it?
It's a shack.
Oh, it's
just a shack.
It's only got eight bedrooms.
Well, where
am I going to?
I need a bedroom for every single one of my Lego sets.
This is not the place for you.
It's not the place for you.
But yes, this man just convicted of scamming Medicare and Medicaid lives in a $1.7 million house in River Hills.
So go after those cheats.
I think that's great.
I'll tell you what, folks, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put the story in the show notes.
I'm also gonna put the listing in the show notes and you can see the house that we bought him.
Essentially.
Yep.
Essentially.
Again, there's fraud, there's waste.
Yes.
You don't find it by coming in with a chainsaw.
No.
You find it by, oh, I don't know, like the IRS, you add more agents.
who are able to investigate those things.
The same thing with Medicare and Medicaid, if you're looking for fraud, you want a workforce who is dedicated to finding those things, not by cutting tens of thousands of people from an agency.
And also, let's take a moment just to discuss degrees of fraud, which all fraud is illegal and all fraud is bad, and it should be found out, punished, and taken care of however they need to do it.
But there's a difference between a little old pensioner who may have gotten an extra check by mistake, but said, you know what?
I'll take it.
That's fraud.
And you make them pay it back.
This kind of fraud is the kind of fraud we're talking about with the house.
We're talking about the illegal scamming operation.
This takes connection.
You have to have an operation to start it up.
You have to have access to money funds, land people.
This is not.
the fraud of the guy, the people that Lutnik is talking about.
This is the fraud that said the same country club that Lutnik is at and that Lutnik knows about and turns a blind eye because he doesn't want to P.O.
his friends who are rich.
So let's be clear on what the fraud is that we should be looking for and the important fraud, all fraud is fraud, but I'm talking about like the millionaire's fraud game.
We
can
go back and look at the PPP loans.
Oh.
We can go back and look at those folks and how many of those folks really didn't need that money or or cheated
in
order to get that money.
Yeah.
Still, by the way, I'm still waiting for Dozier player, all those fraudsters and when they're going to get
I'll get right back to you for that.
I'm sure when we return, we will lighten things up a little bit.
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We have kind of, it's like a borgish mord of weather coming our way.
Oh, what?
A borgish mord.
Pretty much.
A smorgasbord.
But we really brain feels right now.
We really do have hope.
I mean, it's a little bit of everything over the next couple of days, because this afternoon and tomorrow, at least for Southeast Wisconsin, looks pretty nice.
It sure does.
I mean, upper 50s today and it's gorgeous.
We've got this warm front lifting in overnight.
Unfortunately, though, that does want to spark up a few scattered showers, maybe some rumbles of thunder.
That'll be overnight tonight and through early tomorrow morning.
But then it already starts early tomorrow morning, far, far north.
We could see a little bit of freezing rain mixing in, creating some icy spots.
Meanwhile, down south, I mean, you guys are going to be spiking to highs in the upper 70s.
That's crazy.
And then what?
There's always and then
what?
Yeah,
I know, I know.
Wait, let's get you the good stuff.
Okay, let's enjoy it for just a moment.
70 upper 70s tomorrow little spots of sunshine winds are going to be whipping and then we've got more showers and storms by night.
And of course Saturday it's going to be dreary cloudy temperatures falling a little bit.
Light rain moving in in the afternoon and it's going to ramp up into the evening.
And this is where the problems start for a majority of the state.
This will be Saturday night and into Sunday.
I would not be outside.
No kidding.
Because temperatures are just going to be all over the place and really dangerous.
We're looking at ice accumulations right now with the latest data that came in.
It could be a, you know, a half an inch of ice or sleet accumulation from the cross to Green Bay.
Oh boy.
Good chunk of the state.
Some data wants to bring that ice accumulation just into Madison area, possibly just north of the Milwaukee area.
So depends exactly where this system hits.
It is going to pack ice.
That's power outages.
That's a whole, I hate ice.
Ice is the worst.
It really is though.
For one thing, it's hard to distinguish what is frozen and what is not.
And it's deceptive.
It's very deceptive.
So.
Again, you're talking specifically about Saturday into Sunday with this icy rain mixture, icy rain-snow mixture, essentially.
Yeah, basically.
So it's going to start Saturday night somewhere central north somewhere and it's going to start working its way south.
So maybe Sunday, you know, more southern areas have that chance and some snow chance does start to flip in there too.
But I really, really think the snow accumulations are going to stay far northwest into the state and maybe about three to six inches.
But some models do want to put three to six inches into central Wisconsin.
Wow.
It's going to be a day by day kind of basis with the system and exactly where those temperatures line up and where the system hits.
But all I know is that Saturday night and Sunday is going to be bad no matter what.
Well, keep up on the forecast.
And if you do have to hit the roads, maybe you have a birthday party, maybe you have, you know, whatever you're going to be doing on Saturday night, utilize that 511.wi.gov app.
because that will bring up the entire state and it will show you where the accidents are and where the closures are and where the slowdowns are.
It's completely free.
It's very, very useful.
It's 511wi.gov.
Just reuse that as a resource.
It's really, it's very, very useful.
Brittany Merleau is here for our weather and wine segment.
You had an interaction with a maple syrup tapper?
Yes, okay, so tis of the season right
it is
same time as pothole season When we get that freeze and thaw cycle where our temperatures are above freezing during the day The Sun is out like today and we fall below freezing
Two things are happening.
Our potholes are being created.
And then the maple syrup is running in those trees.
So, you know, I called up a local business and I had no idea how big they were and how small they started.
It was pretty inspiring and intriguing, too.
So they're based out of Marathon City called Skinny Sticks.
And he started, he didn't even know how to do it.
You know, he started on his stove, started making like maple wine.
Doesn't
that look fancy and nice?
and he just worked his butt off, you know, went store to store, was persistent, and met the right people, and bam, he's got, you know, 9000 trees, I believe he said, tapped here in Central Wisconsin, and he's partnered with other places, and they basically...
Those other places in Wisconsin were shipping to Vermont and New Hampshire and mixing their syrup.
Well, he's like, no, no, no, let's keep
it here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Took them.
Yeah.
Isn't that cool?
So it was just a big community, local Wisconsin awesomeness.
And I never realized how much they bring in.
I mean, we're fourth in production in the country and yet million dollars in revenue.
Yeah.
Take that, Vermont.
Yeah, take that.
Take that.
The Northeast with your lovely trees.
Right?
Or is it better?
No.
He sounds like a great one for Beyond the Cheese, our segment Beyond the Cheese.
Absolutely.
Or we love to highlight businesses in Wisconsin that are outside of the dairy industry.
We'll do one about maple syrup.
You said it was, it's called skinny sticks.
Skinny sticks, yep.
Mitch Hoyt, out of Marathon City, right here in Central Wisconsin.
Love it.
That's
pretty cool stuff.
You know, the maple syrup season is short.
It's only about a month long.
So to do all of that in that amount of time, he's busy right now.
Brittany Merlot is our Civic Media meteorologist.
She joins us every Thursday at this time for weather and wine.
Thank you so much, Brittany.
Really appreciate it.
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Brewers in action against the Yankees today.
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Baseball back, baby.
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They get to kind of kick off the whole season.
I think it's by two or three minutes.
They have the very first game now.
It's not technically, technically opening day because they had a couple of games in Tokyo, but we don't really need to count those.
We don't count those.
A few Dodgers Cubs games.
So the Brewers will be the first.
Jackson Churio will be the first thing we see.
He is leading off and playing in the outfield today.
So we are here.
It's very fun.
How are you feeling about about the team as as we just get underway?
Baseball is a long season.
Well, I think we've become close enough that you know where I fall, generally, when we talk about projections.
And that's toward the toward the pessimistic side of things.
I'm not like a real
Brewer's fan.
Yes, you know, like I'm Wisconsin, you know, not born, but mostly completely raised.
And I definitely come by this honestly.
But I don't I think.
I believe that this is where the magic runs out.
I think this team has risen above circumstances, talent, however you want to look at it over the past several years.
I think there is some alchemy there that I can't explain that has enabled them, and a lot of it is on the defensive side, enabled them to be a very good team into win division titles and to compete for the playoffs.
I mean, they really haven't been an uncompetitive team at the end of the season.
For a decade like 2016 really is the last time that they were I mean, I don't know what we call 2020 they went to the playoffs so whatever But like 2016 is the last time they really just weren't they weren't in it in the last week of the season so
You know anytime I say I think this team is just gonna be a 500 with maybe slightly above 500 team I'm working against history because history shows it doesn't matter what they look like on paper They have found a way to stay competitive and you have to acknowledge that But I just think that at some point their unwillingness to spend money on and sort of supplement what they already have I think their pitching is really pretty thin this year and some of the injuries early in the season
I think if kind of born that out, I think we're already talking about guys that, you know, you really didn't want to rely on and it's only, it's only the first day of the season, uh, who are going to be starting games.
So I am worried about this team.
I predicted them to finish 82 and 80 in our newspaper in the Journal Sentinel.
I imagine people will view that as pessimistic that this is a team that has earned the trust that they are at least an 86 win team and a team that will compete for the division title.
I feel like this is maybe where it runs out because I don't trust the pitching, but I didn't trust them last year either.
They won 93 games and showed me.
So what really do I
know?
Well, but I do think and you mentioned the.
And it certainly seems like a major unwillingness on the part of the Brewers to shell out any money for some, for some players that we could really use.
Not just shelling out money, but also cutting the budget every single, the payroll every single season.
Yeah, I've pointed this out many times, probably on this show that they went down in payroll the last two seasons, you know, into the 2023 and the 2024 season, and they won more games both times.
They won 94 and the 90 or 92 and the 93 games.
Um, they are not going down in payroll, but they're staying pretty static.
It's pretty much where they are.
And as you can imagine in a sports ecosystem where everybody's spending more and more and more to stay static is essentially to go backwards.
So not, not impressed with their off season.
I think they had some obvious holes to fill and just plainly did not fill them.
They're, you know, Vinnie Capra had a great spring and I think he could be a really cool story.
And maybe, you know, maybe there is a change here that makes him a really, really key big leager for this team.
It's possible.
But it is stunning to me that we are on opening day and Vinny Capra is your opening day third baseman.
I was sure that they would have a different solution there that they would bring in somebody with experience or somebody who you could really trust to fill out this infield.
Now there were not a lot of third baseman on the open market.
Um, you know, they could have moved Joe or kept Joey Ortiz a third move.
Bryce trying to shortstop there.
There are options.
There could have been a trade.
So I don't want to pretend like there was obvious choices out there.
There was like one good third baseman on the market.
And he went to the Boston Red Sox.
more money than even I think the Cubs were willing you know Cubs had offered him more money and he took less money to go to Boston so probably unattainable but I can't believe that this is the Brewers infield that infield does not look good so I personally yes I think that they had an opportunity to go for more but I again have thought that in the past and they ended up
You know laying it on their feet so they have an internal system that can tell them what they they expect from the players that they have they obviously know the players they have Better than anybody else and they feel like they have a handle on it.
So we'll see
I think it's the weird thing that we We are always so downtrodden in the face of lowering the payroll in the face of slashing Pay not going for the big got going for bigger fish all these decisions that they do every single year because let's face it
Last year with Jackson Cheerio, we were like, oh my God, are we gonna, are we gonna go for it?
Like really?
We always say they're gonna do fine to poor.
They do better than we expect.
But then we'll be a year from now, right back here going, why won't they just spend a little bit of money?
Why?
Like just, I'm not asking them to have a Yankees payroll.
I'm asking them to have like, maybe,
10 million extra dollars a year.
And I know that sounds like a lot.
That's a lot of money, but in baseball versus other teams.
I mean, we used to, I think, I think 2018, I think we had a $120 million payroll somewhere in that like one 15 to one 20, and it's just gone down, down, and down.
And I was like, why can't we just buy
a good one?
Well, and at some point, aren't the, I just think the fans are going to get fed up.
And I think to
some degree, and I don't know if it's just payroll, there's a lot baked into this guy, but some degree they have.
They have gone down in attendance.
It's not dramatic.
I don't think it even affects their bottom line.
It's that limited amount, but they've.
The enthusiasm has waned a little bit.
I actually think the TV situation has a lot to do with both things that we're talking about because the lack of TV revenue, which has gone down across baseball, the local regional streaming, the whole thing has been a difficult challenge for baseball to navigate.
This is not a national sport.
It's a regional sport.
It relies on that, those regional dollars.
And if the, you know, those, those regional sports networks can't afford to pay for, for things or simply are just, it's just not as lucrative a system.
Uh, that is bad for a team like the brewers.
Uh, and I think not having TV options for all the streaming services have made some people check out, you know, on the, on the brewers, it's more like, uh, maybe we go once or twice a year.
It's not like, Oh, we're really engaged with how they're doing in the playoffs.
You know, playoff chase and we're going to go maybe once a month, you know, so I think, I think that's all kind of kind of tied in.
It's, it's, it's a tough financial.
package you don't ever really know, like, are the brewers, like, are they making money hand over fist while subtracting payroll?
I don't think it's quite like that.
I don't think it's like a grift exactly.
I do think there are things challenges that they have in Milwaukee versus bigger cities.
But I agree with what you're saying, 10 million, which again, is a huge amount of money to you and me, but not to a baseball team.
You know, that would seem like a fair amount extra that you could put into this roster.
They kind of
in their impression kind of did some of that last year when they brought in Reese Hoskins, it didn't work out.
I mean, not to this, not to the degree they would have liked.
So maybe that they're a little bit burned by that, but, but also they have a model where they've gone down in money and gone up and wins.
I mean, how do you convince an owner to say, you know, turn around and say, okay, now is the time to spend when they have had this success while going down.
It's a, it's a tough, that's a tough thing to sell.
But it doesn't feel like a money ball situation where there are, where they are going down in money.
and it feels like luck sometimes.
And that's where I bat.
I feel like the magic runs out, right?
I feel like your alchemy, as good as it is, is winning around the fringes and using defense and stuff, that at some point...
It doesn't it doesn't all go their way.
I don't think it's all luck It's not so it's not like money ball was about finding inefficiencies players and other people didn't want who were secretly good at things Yeah, I think the Brewers have a system that is like objectively good the way that they develop players Jackson Cheerio is a great example the way that they have committed Resources into you know, Latin development and how the players that are coming up through the system are really really good I do think they identify players talent wise better than a lot of teams and they've made that work
and they've figured out how to get the most out of pitchers.
I think that's legitimate too.
I just, you know, I look at the pitching this year and I'm just like, Oh, they're relying on a lot of crazy things going well.
And somebody just, you know, kind of do it Tobias Myers did last year, pop up out of nowhere to become a really solid contributor.
I just, I don't know if I see that happening again.
That part does feel like a little bit like the luck could be running out.
We are talking baseball with Milwaukee Journal, Sentinel Sports Guru JR Radcliffe speaking of today's game Brewers at the Yankees.
You can listen.
if you can listen to the radio.
Specifically, our coverage starts at 1.30.
Catch the game today on WRCE in Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh, WRJN here in Racine and Kenosha, WCQM in Park Falls, and our newest Brewer's Affiliate WBZH in Hayward.
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JR, let's move over to the Bucks and is Dame Limer...
Lillard done
It doesn't look good.
By the way, shout out to Park Falls, Wisconsin.
That's right.
I spent all my elementary school years It doesn't look good for Damian Lillard.
It is a deep vein thrombosis better known as a blood clot in the calf
That is the type of thing that is obviously not something that you mess around with.
It's treatable.
It's very treatable.
But he's not going to be able to play basketball for a while.
They have to make sure this thing resolves.
Victor Wembanyama had a blood clot in his shoulder earlier this year.
It was diagnosed in February, and the Spurs just plain said, forget it, he's done for the year.
Now, Victor Wembanyama, the Spurs are not a championship caliber contending team, and he is a young player in his second year, and I'm sure the Spurs were like, you know what, we have no reason to mess around with this, whereas Damian Lillard, a veteran on a team where he is so essential to their playoff hopes, you could see them rushing this, but this is a...
This is a delicate thing.
This isn't like a tolerate the pain, right?
This is a that thing has to be gone or it could break off and get into your lungs and cause a cat a catastrophe.
Absolutely.
So I I I can't imagine he's back before the playoffs.
And then the question is, does he have it in him to go through reps and get back up to speed and conditioning and stuff?
Cause, you know, he's not like training the whole time.
It's not like, oh, he's got a broken hand and he can like stay healthy by doing all the normal stuff.
He can't do that.
Right.
So I.
I don't think you're you're certainly not going to get a full version of Damien Lillard.
I can't imagine when we get to the playoffs.
I would be surprised if we see him at all.
I think it's I think it's probably season ending.
They just don't want to say that yet.
Well, and we certainly wish him well.
And as you said, J.R., that's a very serious thing.
A blood clot is not something that you mess around with.
That that that that can kill you.
So yeah, we we we we hope he recovers and that's the priority right now.
Yeah, really.
And I mean, again, treatable blood thinning medication will do it and it sounds like it's already helping.
But like then you're on blood thinning medication and you can't just like go play what is essentially a contact sport, you know, you can't get an inch, you know, even a bruise is going to be something that is completely different than it would be normally if you're not on the medication.
So that's another complication.
And again, I just don't know if they can get him back to speed, even if this resolves quickly, get back up to speed to be ready for what's going to happen at the end of April.
You can follow JR and read all his coverage in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
He joins us every.
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who is producer for Earl Ingram right before us.
He was the one who pointed this out to me this morning, said, oh, I think this would be a, this is a tis bat for sure.
And he is so right.
This is from ad week.
Lucky Brittany Kiefer with the byline.
The headline reads, not everyone wants to join KFC's gravy cult as ads draw backlash.
Kentucky Fried Chicken.
launched a new ad campaign earlier this month in the UK.
And we're gonna include a link to the ad in the show notes because you have to see the weirdness yourself.
We cannot possibly describe
to you.
Or do it justice.
Oh my gosh.
The ad depicts a man who was lost in the woods.
He follows a group of mysterious strangers who are carrying a giant golden egg.
Now keep in mind this is a KFC commercial.
They end up at a lake of gravy.
as one does, where they baptize the man and induct him into the cult of KFC.
Now, after they dip him in the lake of gravy, he comes up as a piece of extra crispy chicken.
Which means I don't think that he's becoming part of the cult.
I think he's become their idol.
It
is truly weird.
It's a really, really strange ad.
It's two
minutes long.
Yeah, it's a long commercial, but they are appealing specifically to Gen Z. Yes.
They think this is going to resonate with them, even though two minutes seems like a long time and requires a certain amount of concentration.
Yeah.
Uh, now it's generating all kinds of complaints.
It's called all hail gravy.
It's, yes.
Grishals, again, from KFC is called all hail gravy.
Now complaints are coming in from people saying the ad is promoting cannibalism.
Oh my god.
It glorifies cults and Satanism.
Jesus.
And mocks Christianity and baptism.
Okay.
You know what?
Seriously.
This is the thing that shouldn't be.
This commercial is fantastic.
And I skipped this part of the article.
This is part two.
Oh, there's a part one.
There's a part one.
What am I doing with my life?
But the people who are like, it's mocking and glorify.
Get
over yourselves.
I think you were putting way too much into this ad.
Agreed.
Calvin, you are the person who is closest in age to the demographic that they're trying to reach.
Does all hail gravy resonate with you?
Are you more inclined now to go get KFC?
I'm curious.
I can't say this inspires me to get KFC, but I did find the ad quite entertaining.
From a critical perspective, I think more cinematic music would have fit the ad better than the hip-hop break they did in it.
Fair criticism.
I thought it was unique.
Cool commercial.
It's beautifully shot and has better CGI than some Marvel movies I've seen.
The executive director of this ad agency that came up with it, Martin Rose, says we are being polarizing because we want conversation.
Since the first part of this ad aired last year, the campaign has boosted KFC's brand reputation scores, increased its brand modernity score,
and they have seen positive sales momentum.
So apparently it's working.
And breaking news from God, God says, thought it was funny too.
You liked it, okay.
We will include this as we said in the show.
Oh, it's so included in it.
If you want to take a look and I would be, are you inspired now to go get some extra crispy chicken?
I'm inspired to get chicken, just maybe not from them.
Maybe not from them.
That wraps up today's episode of...
This shouldn't be a thing.
Coming up on the show tomorrow, Judge Susan Crawford is going to be joining us
in
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We are just days away in hour number two.
Sorry.
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