You want smart talk?
You came to the right place.
You want well-behaved hosts?
Yeah, that's not happening.
John and Gordy are back, armed with microphones, coffee, and way too much confidence.
This is The John and Gordy Show on 92.7 WMDX.
92 seven WM DX.
It's John and Gordy in the morning with Dominic Lee Dominic or Dominique.
He says around the station.
Dominique
full name.
Wow.
So, uh, you know, I kind of, I just want to reveal something that I think we found out on this show.
You know, we celebrated our second anniversary, which is just unbelievable.
It's still stunning to me.
I had the.
I had to like come down a little bit when I got home thinking.
It's been two years.
I mean, you know, just it was ridiculous.
But one thing we did find out on this program that coffee is a hallucinogen.
We have discovered that it is something that we can't do anything about.
When you're talking.
Once we made that chemical discovery that coffee is definitely
and hallucinogen, you've listened to it, you've experienced on this show, our hallucinations.
I'd
like to
think that a lot of what we talk about is just a hallucination, but no, it's real.
How did you come to this conclusion?
I was here yesterday.
I don't remember talking about this or discovering this.
We didn't talk about
it.
I was thinking about it yesterday.
I was thinking, boy, you know, coffee, what it does to you.
It keeps you going.
I mean, you know, we're doing this for two years in a row.
Oh my god, right?
It's just stunning and what are you doing?
Okay
I have
an
announcement.
Are you talking to me?
What's the problem, pal?
I'm here on a mission of mercy.
Cup of coffee in the big time, yeah.
Cup of coffee in the big time.
Put that coffee down.
You don't know
what you're talking about, do you?
I'm not your man.
Coffee in the big time.
Oh,
yeah.
Snap into a Slim Jim.
Don doesn't know what
is
going
on.
You don't know Macho Man.
You don't know Macho Man.
He was an early WWF
wrestling.
Just pulling up Randy Macho Man Savage.
And you'll see what this guy looks like.
And he's always looked like that.
And he always acted like that.
It wasn't just something he did on screen.
He took that
persona off.
That was him.
Randy Pafo from Downers Grove, Illinois.
Oh, wow.
And he was he I think he was a baseball star, actually.
And then he got into a wrestling and became
Macho Man Sam.
Oh, yeah, with this Elizabeth on his shoulders.
Oh, those big glasses.
Oh, my cowboy.
Yeah, the cowboy.
Yeah.
He and the Hulkster were the two really big stars of.
wwf but you know the
biggest the biggest job was uh for mean gene to try to stay straight and and formal and ask his questions
mean gene okerling okerman okerman yeah whatever
okerling
is something like that but
yeah
I think I bounced around and bumped around quite a bit from these guys.
Just, you know, when they talk and they give to the little rap, they're like, you know, moving
around.
Randy Macho man would come in and he would immediately turn his back to the
camera
for the first 30 seconds and just do his rap.
And then eventually he would turn around.
Talk to Gene.
He was my favorite
out of all of them.
He was so good.
He was so good.
Had a very tragic end to his life, too.
Like many of them.
Yeah.
Didn't end well for Randy Macho, man.
Well, he
tried.
He kept trying to keep that alive a little
bit.
Oh,
yeah.
It was not good.
Yeah.
Hey.
Had a lot of problems with drugs and personal problems toward the end.
Well, that's a special.
on his life.
Yes, I know.
You can watch that.
My son made me watch it.
Oh, yeah?
Quinn was and still is really into wrestling after he's 42, 41 years old.
He still loves that.
Well,
that's great.
Just as
entertained.
That's great.
You know, I mean, but I took him to a I took him to a couple of wrestling matches at the Dane County Coliseum before it became the
Well, you don't know this, but the Alliance Center, sorry.
A lot of
the Gen Zers
and
just a little bit older like your son, all of them grew up watching World Wrestling Federation.
Yeah, WDWF.
The Hulkster.
And it was just like the
biggest time for wrestling ever.
So big, yeah.
And they came around to the Coliseum once or twice a year.
Yeah, oh yeah.
With the big stars there.
In fact, our friend Dr. Chris Cameron had the Ultimate Warriors guy.
He was actually injured in Milwaukee, lost a couple of teeth.
They brought him to Madison and Chris Cameron repaired his dental work.
It's just amazing.
Sad story.
But yeah, World Wrestling Federation, what a time it was, and the kids just, you know, it was so fun.
I went to one of those.
Yeah.
And just watching the kids, it was heartwarming.
It was, I mean, it was
a great family get
together.
And it was good guys, bad guys, you know, and it was great.
It was really fun.
The cheering,
you know, there's
little,
there's
children cheering these people on.
The kids went nuts.
The bad guys, they really hated them.
They didn't know why.
They didn't
know anything about communism.
Yeah.
It seemed like WWF was on every weekend, like
Saturday mornings.
Yeah.
I mean, before it branched out and became a huge, huge thing.
And then they decided, well, we can make more money by doing this.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's special events.
So.
Well, happy Halloween.
We haven't mentioned that yet.
Last day of October.
Halloween.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All the ghosts and goblins will be out there this evening.
They might run into a lot of rain.
That's possible anyway.
20 to 30 percent.
It's always lousy on Halloween for these kids.
It seems like it's either
rain
or snow
or sleet or cold.
Right now, 37 degrees highs in the low 50s for today.
And speaking of Halloween, we're going to talk to Todd Michaels.
He's a paranormal investigator.
Going to talk to him about ghosts and goblins and witches.
He
was just just just on Pete Schwabba's show.
You might have heard that last
night.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's been into this for a long time.
He really is.
We'll get to the bottom of the spirit world on this show.
You know,
I'm a
big fan of ghosts, goblins, the whole thing, monsters.
A fan?
I grew up on
that.
Well, you saw it.
some sort of apparition or a ghost or something when you were a child or you had a nightmare or something.
Well, you know, I had everything.
I had dreams.
I had dreams of what I actually saw an apparition.
Yeah.
I've had my experiences.
I wish I had more of them with my son who was also very much into it.
And it just, it was really exciting just playing along with them and going into the basement and seeing if we have spirits
down there.
Well, I'm not a believer as you found out yesterday.
I think it's a bunch of Malarkey and Maloney.
Todd's going to change your mind.
Todd's going to change your mind.
We'll see.
I'll have
a little pushback on that.
He gets angry.
I get angry about it.
Well, we'll have to throw in a few dashes of aliens in there because you
believe in aliens, so... Well, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
What, do you think aliens are ghosts?
And ghosts are
aliens?
No.
No, I don't, but it's just about as rare as a ghost.
All
right, we'll continue this debate throughout the show, I'm sure.
We're also going to check in with Pam Yonkey in about five minutes.
The National FFA Convention, she's going to talk about that.
And also it's Bat Appreciation Week.
you know bats yes we'll find out great great great to have it on a great week to have that during halloween lots of bats um and of course
yeah rocker will be in the studio later with the maxing preview you know it's kind of interesting the future farmers of america ffa um i gotta tell you i didn't know what ffa stood for
future farmers of america so i went
or i just said that but
Here's the thing, I had to do a search on it, and I kept doing a search on it.
And I came up with the feature from FFA, their website.
And they have all this paraphernalia, all of these events, everything they're talking about, but they never said the name.
They never wrote the name on their website.
I could find it on the website.
I had to eventually just go to Google where people ask these questions.
What does FFA stand for?
So
I
finally found out I did not know.
But, you know, doing the research for this program, trying to get everything straight.
That's wild.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
It's like, oh, we're supposed to know that already?
No.
No, it doesn't work that way.
Well, and here it is, Halloween.
And Dominic is wearing his, it's not Scooby-Doo.
Oh, it's Garfield.
Garfield.
Yeah.
I'm a big.
Big Garfield van, I love Lasagna.
Really?
Really?
I absolutely love Lasagna.
And Odie is, I also, as Odie won Halloween at some point, so a couple years back.
Who's the cartoonist?
Is it Jim Davis?
Jim Davis.
Correct.
Yep.
So you can check out what you do.
It was never a big Garfield
fan, but
you were Odie Cologne?
No, I was Odie the dog.
Oh, Odie the dog.
A few years back.
Did you follow Garfield?
I did not, no.
You'd always kick Odie off the table, so.
Oh.
Yeah.
Garfield, but always okay.
Yeah.
All right.
I
did not know that.
So, yeah,
I see you learn something new every day
here.
Yeah.
Okay.
A lot of
cartoons later.
I really never got into a lot of comic strips.
I didn't really check out anymore since I moved out of Milwaukee.
They had something called the green sheet in Milwaukee.
And they made that a very special section.
It was green paper.
a light green, and they had their comic strips on it and feature articles on the green sheet for entertainment.
Yeah, it was in there for many decades.
Most Sunday papers had the comic section that was full color, you know, color comics.
Yeah, but these were,
well, this was all week long.
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh, interesting.
Well, you didn't think so, really.
No,
I
don't know.
All right, well, you know, you don't really
have to get into all this.
You are so jaded.
He gets angry when you think about ghosts.
No wonder we didn't have any guests on this
program.
I think it all happened when Ghostbusters came out, because my kids were little at that time, and we watched Ghostbusters about a thousand times.
Oh.
A great movie.
Great movie.
Loved it.
Loved the original with Dan
Aykroyd
and Bill Murray.
But, you know, you can only watch that stuff so many times, and then we had to buy all the paraphernalia
for it, all the
ghostbusters junk
that the movie put
out.
The
whole thing, the whole bit, the firehouse thing, we had that for years, the model of the firehouse and all the characters.
It's wonderful.
Pissed off about jokes or ghosts since then.
Well, you know, you really have to come down
from that.
Still angry about that.
All the money I spent on
Ghost Buster crap.
Well, I've never
regretted all the money I spent on Hot Wheels.
You know, the thing with Hot Wheels is that
a dollar, a car.
I mean, you hit the hot spot, the sweet spot for adults.
You could buy a couple of bucks and
you
satisfy the kidneys, got something to play with for the next week.
Right?
Yeah.
Hot wheels are cool.
But one of the big things about Hot Wheels were the animated movies that they made.
They had a three-part movie.
I think it was Highway...
45.
Highway 45, I believe it was.
And they also had one called Accelerators, which was really, really cool.
Somebody went through all the work of making them into 4K.
They weren't 4K.
Mattel decided not to redo them or make them better
the
videos.
But somebody did go through all the work and it's gorgeous.
Absolutely gorgeous online.
You could see them on YouTube,
I
think.
They keep taking them off, but somebody keeps putting them back on.
And they're just
wonderful,
wonderful episodes.
Yes.
Didn't know they had that.
OK, 19 minutes past the hour, just getting going on a Halloween Friday morning.
John Peterson, Gordy Young, along with Dominic Lee, our producer.
Coming right back with Pam Yankee, the fabulous farm babe.
Next!
Green, John, and Gordy in the morning, 92.7.
We want to thank everybody who reached out and sent us texts yesterday.
And congratulations for two years on the air.
And it was terrific to hear from everybody.
It
really was.
It was very
nice.
We also didn't get a chance to thank, you know, Sage and Corey and Aaron and some of the other people here behind the scenes, you know, for supporting us for the last couple of years here on the air.
You made
our mic stands possible.
Yeah.
Sure.
Just go there.
That's a good idea.
I'm
not going to start into that.
There we go again.
We got a
special cast.
Let's get to Pam you before
we
just This is where I worry that visual element and mic stands that just you know Civic might might want to think about a visual
filter
I know.
Oh my gosh.
OK, we're going to celebrate a little bit of Halloween here because it is Bat Appreciation Week.
You know, we started talking about it on Monday.
This is unbelievable.
This is great.
This is the time to celebrate.
I should have worn my Batman
piece of
the day.
That would have made sense.
I came
as a FFBI.
I was thinking about that.
Remember when kids used to dress up like bats?
Yeah.
Batman.
Yes.
But just bats in general.
Now, if you're not a popular game.
character, something like that.
It doesn't seem like you show up on the streets in costume.
But yeah, it's international.
This is an international thing.
That's what caught my attention is, well, it may make some people a little anxious when they see bats, you know, if you slow down and think about it a little bit, they really do an awful lot for us.
And that's primarily what International Bat Week is designed to try to help you understand the amount of insects that bats can consume.
You know, you think the insects are bad now in a summer in Wisconsin.
Just imagine all the things that would be crawling around if they weren't a part of our ecosystem.
They have obviously a lot of flies that they eat, the mosquitoes, all that kind of stuff.
So it not only helps farmers by keeping most insects down, it helps us to enjoy things too.
And remember, Wisconsin's got some unique elements that
Don't get talked about a lot.
We've got our little brown bat that was at the brink of almost extinction, but Wisconsin's been working really hard to try to restore that population.
We're not there yet, but they're working on it.
And you know, remember, even though you might not, you know, it's not like they sneeze or anything like that.
Little white, the bats do have something kind, kind of like a white nose.
Oh, yes.
A
disease, right?
Yes, correct.
Correct.
And so that's been impacting some of our bats in Wisconsin, too.
So like I said, I don't want to dwell on a lot because at this time of the morning, it may be the least thing that people want to imagine.
One almost flew into my head this morning when I walked into the building.
Wow.
Just bear in mind that it is International Bat Week and you can find out more at batweek.org.
They've got all kinds of suggestions on things you can do.
You can hold parties.
You can create habitats for them.
take an urban bat walk.
They got all kinds of suggestions if you really want to buy into it on holiday.
Bad
houses, you can hang in the trees and stuff like that.
We had bats in our attic for a long time.
I think they're not there anymore.
I don't know, but I used to go outside at night in the early evening, see them flying all over the place, dive bombing me.
And I just loved it.
I thought that was fantastic.
Thanks for taking care of that mosquito for me.
Right,
right.
Yep, they do.
They do.
I think they eat like almost twice their body weight in insects.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
great
stuff.
Something else we're going to talk about is the National FFA Convention.
Future Farmers of America.
John just discovered
with that FFA stance.
Now, now, now they're, now they're a wee bit snobby.
They prefer FFA only.
They don't want the future farmers of America reference anymore.
But, uh, one thing I thought was kind of, you know, true, seriously, if, if I make a misstep and happen to reference the old phrase, I'm fairly quickly, uh, correct it.
I couldn't
find it on their website at all.
No reference to future farmers of America.
I
had to go
in Google and find it there.
So yeah.
Yeah, correct.
Correct.
So one thing I thought might be interesting for your audience is if anybody remembers where the FFA convention has previously been held.
Now it's in Indianapolis.
They made the announcement this week.
They will stay in Indianapolis through
20, 40.
But one thing I really think, I mean, obviously, I could get into the length of Wisconsin winters and all that stuff.
But, you know, you just stop and think about over 72,000 young people under the age of basically 18, between middle school and 18 years of age.
that are all coming together and they have to be in a place where the association feels like they're going to be safe.
Some people have said to me, well, why don't they go to big places like California, Las Vegas?
Well, okay, the venues might be there, but you have to think about the security risk.
for those kids.
They're still kids, so they've committed to Indianapolis for until 2040, but I thought if you want to light up your talk text line or interaction on the Civic Media website, does anybody remember the places where the FFA convention has been held previously?
They had the first one back in 1928.
There were 33 attendees, and the first national FFA president came from New Jersey.
That tells you how long ago it was.
And like I said, so from 33 to today, that organization's got more than 72,000 kids in the Indianapolis area this morning.
The convention wraps up tomorrow.
But like I said, if people want to venture a guess, I will tell you the last time.
So it's been in Indianapolis since 2006.
It went 2006 to 2012.
Then it went back to Louisville, Kentucky.
And that's where they hold the Kentucky State Fair at those fairgrounds, which were wonderful for the FFA.
And then before that, it was Kansas City, Missouri for the longest time.
That's where I first went to the FFA convention from 1928 to 1998.
It was there, but quite frankly, Kansas City is just landlocked.
They can't do anything more.
But like I said, if people have got memories or something that they remember from their trip, they can probably share it with you guys this morning.
Yes.
All right.
Well,
thank you.
Yes.
Pam, thank you.
You have a good weekend.
We'll talk to you on Monday.
Happy Halloween.
Happy Halloween.
Go
pack.
Go pack.
All right.
It's Pam Yaqui.
In fact, we'll have the Midwest Food and Farm report coming up next.
Then we're into idiocracy for a Halloween Friday morning with John and Gordy WMDX.
you
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point, a dumbing down, until humanity was incapable of solving even its most basic problems.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you
go and do something like this.
We can duck and cover.
There's no way to survive this, you idiot!
Idiocracy.
For the smartest guy in the world, you're pretty dumb sometimes.
Unable to solve her simplest problems.
No truer words were ever spoken.
Oh my god, this is ridiculous.
Then we have to go...
through this shutdown for absolutely no reason at all, only because one side is trying to convince the other side or everybody in the country that it's not their fault.
I
think that's the only reason they're doing this is just to see if they buy into this, we can do anything we want.
Well, and some news from overnight, Trump is calling on the GOP to abolish the filibuster to end the shutdown.
So that's new this morning.
Well, it's ridiculous.
Yeah.
I have a few cuts here.
Definitely delving deeper into this.
This is WMDX, 92.7.
The John and Gordon Early Morning Show, year two.
Plus one day.
And one day.
We'll see if we make it to Monday.
We're battling.
We both had a lot to bring to the table this morning and we're hashing it all out in the commercial breaks.
We don't often argue.
No, but every once in a while we can get into it.
Yes, we do.
But you know, it's
good fun because no, it's good fun,
right?
Oh, it's fun.
Yeah, it's great fun.
Dominic, are you having fun?
I'm having fun.
Oh,
yeah, they're scaring me though.
It's all it's all good.
I guys get mad we just get read.
I mean,
it's very obvious.
That's
right.
It's
637
and stand back
to
weather today.
Clear skies this morning.
some clouds, maybe a little rain around Halloween time, 4 p.m.
to 7 p.m.
is our best chance, 20 to 30% chance for rain.
So maybe a few sprinkles and that's it.
Right now it's 37 degrees and time for idiocracy.
So away we go as phone lines are open, 608-879-8255.
Let's get into
something here and one of the reasons we're in this shutdown is because the Democrats want health care.
They want to take care of affordable health care.
This is cut 255.
You can cue that up.
This is Nancy Pelosi making a comment about it.
She makes a very simple comment about it.
Let's listen.
They're putting in their bill that they want us to vote for.
They want us to vote for taking millions of people off of Medicaid.
a half a trillion dollars out of Medicare and increasing by two or three times the cost of health care policies for America's working families.
You want us to go vote for that bill to open up government?
You must be crazy.
There you go.
Very
simple.
Easy to understand.
Even the Megas can pick up on this.
CJ is probably jotting all that down.
Right.
And my mega friend in Milwaukee is probably having an epiphany.
Oh, I wish.
Oh, I
wish.
All right.
Well, anyway, that's that.
Now, we talked about surveillance yesterday.
Well, now let's keep going with this.
I want to go with Jen Socki at a really good point she made last night, okay?
And this is about being held hostage over health care.
Who's really doing it?
Well, it's obviously the Republicans.
Let's check this out.
Cut 154, right?
All right.
Remember, the core of this entire shutdown is that Republican leaders are refusing to extend tax subsidies that make health care affordable for millions of Americans.
Republicans are refusing to acknowledge the very real pain that would be inflicted on Americans if those subsidies are not extended.
They're out here decrying the so-called forthcoming health care crisis, they say.
I don't think this is going to be any kind of gut-wrenching problem if these hand subsidies just go away.
Unless those tax credits are extended, those subsidies, the average plan will increase for Americans by somewhere around 115%.
Do you believe that Congress should extend those subsidies so that most Americans do not receive significant increases in their premiums?
Where'd you get that 115% number from?
Kaiser Family Foundation.
They retracted that.
That data was run inappropriately.
They changed the messaging.
Go back and look at the website.
Here is the Kaiser Family Foundation website.
They have not in fact retracted their data.
The foundation still estimates that the average ACA in Roli's monthly premium would more than double, increasing by 114% if Republicans refuse to extend the subsidies.
But they have a real problem on their hands because they are lying about things that directly impact the lives of millions of people.
And that means millions of people in this country are starting to see the impact in their own lives and realize that what people like Mike Johnson and Dr.
and JD Vance are saying is not true.
If you use Obamacare, you can go to healthcare.gov right now and see how much your monthly premium is going to go up next year.
When you see that number, you can decide for yourself if this isn't a problem like Republicans are saying.
It is a problem.
Today, journalists from Punch Bowl News also reported that inside a meeting of House Democrats today, pollster Molly Murphy presented data on the shutdown.
Data that showed that by a nearly two to one margin, voters said that preventing huge increases in health premiums for 20 million Americans was more important than ending the shutdown.
The Mike Johnson plan here is not working.
The Trump plan is not working.
The JD Vance plan is not working.
And that polling, by the way, was from more than a week ago.
Now.
Republicans, leading Republicans, are trying to hold food access for more than 42 million Americans hostage.
I don't think the American people, no matter who they voted for or what their political party is, are gonna like that.
But the question now is with a Republican party that is willing to go to extremes like holding food hostage and who do not seem all too responsive to any political pressure other than from their boss and who are more than happy to just lie about everything they're doing.
How do you negotiate with
a
party like that?
How does this all end?
How do you negotiate with people like that?
Just lying through their teeth in just the most obvious way.
And I gotta remind you again, this is a Christian nationalist.
This is a guy who goes by the Bible, Mike Johnson, lying through his teeth and he's been doing it for the last month.
It is so outrageous to see this
Well, there's deceptive mood that he puts on every time he gets in front of a microphone.
It's just very calm and very well, you know You know, and he gives it uncomfortable laugh He just really drives me crazy now.
Let's get to Well, let's go to the phone lines and and get to CJ CJ.
What do you got for us?
I bet you're freaking out over your healthcare bill at this point.
Happy Halloween, CJ
hey good morning to you um well you know i want to remind you that uh this affordable care act is not affordable and as the subsidies rise um and are promised to rise it only proves that the republicans were right in 2009 when they said the affordable care act is not going to be affordable and now the democrats
No Republicans voted for the ACA back in 2009 and now the Democrats want the Republicans to save it Well, the mere fact that it wasn't gonna be sustainable the Republicans are right and Mike Johnson and the house already passed a Can clean continuing resolution?
Yes
Shut down is Tammy Baldwin and the Democrats.
All right.
All right.
Well, let me just Deal with every one of those little issues you have in regards to the Affordable Care Act the Prices continue to go up health care prices continue to escalate it does get more and more expensive and that takes more and more of taxpayer dollars to supplement the Affordable Care Act
so everybody can afford their premiums.
The prices are all going up.
I absolutely agree with you on that, CJ.
And that is healthcare.
But if you think for one second a free market healthcare system is going to bring prices down, we went to Obamacare so we could maintain lower prices and have a slower escalation of prices and make it affordable.
And now let me just deal with another thing here.
We have these escalating prices and the tax credits are getting higher and higher and we're paying more and more into this.
We have Medicare, we have Medicaid, we have Obamacare, we have taxpayer dollars going to each one of those.
Let's just have a universal healthcare system.
My God, why do we have these different functions that keep getting more and more expensive?
We can't afford
free market health care.
We've already gone through that.
I went through a whole list of things that made it incredibly impossible for people to even get any kind of health care at all.
We just have to go to a universal health care system.
I don't know why, but I think at least CJ, you would probably agree with me that if we had universal health care, it would take care a whole lot of problems in this country.
Think about the small businesses that need health care.
I mean, people are locked
into their company that they're at because they get healthcare through it and their family gets healthcare through it.
If they had the ability to freely move to their own business if they wanted to create it and have their own healthcare because we have a universal healthcare system, it would save this country so much money and create so many new entrepreneurs and businesses out there, we would blossom as a country.
That's where
I'm at.
All right, let's go to Charles.
He's on the line here.
Good morning, Charles.
Go ahead.
Hey, good morning.
Good morning guys.
This this party just just lies though And if John Thune they wanted to end the shut down John Thune can go in today blow up the filibuster And get this passed but Republicans don't want to do that because they know if they did that People would lose their people would lose health care people's rates would climb sky high and they don't want to get blamed for that Yeah, and they were hoping that the Democratic
Politicians would have caved by now so they could try to put the blame on them and and another big question They've had years Donald Trump was president in 2016 Every two weeks he was coming out with a health care plan.
He never stopped running to be president That's right.
So you guys still don't have a health care plan.
You're talking about we got a great plan Well, if you had a great plan
Instead of Donald Trump pardoning all the thugs that he got out there rounding up people now That's the first thing that they would uh, they would they would have did was was got rid of the affordable care and Brought and their health care plan, but they don't have a health care plan and most people can't afford Health care plans from their jobs that they're not making money from
That's
right
Yeah, and one of the other big issues too is they want to get this done.
Gordy mentioned that Trump is calling for the GOP to abolish the filibuster just to end the shutdown.
They don't want people to see these bills.
Once we get into November, November 1st, they're going to see, they're going
to go online,
and they're going to go to Obamacare and try to sign up.
Not everybody's going to do it right away, but when people see what their prices are going to be like,
Yes, there is going to be such an incredible pushback on this that they're not going to be able to get away with this The showy thing they're doing right now and creating all this pain for health care in this country Mm-hmm.
We
have time to go to mark this morning.
Good morning mark.
What do you got a couple of minutes here?
Good morning.
Yeah, I thought I heard that actually the Affordable Care Act is actually based on a Republican plan from back in the 1980s
I think actually coming out of the Heritage Foundation, it was some of that.
And so now the Republicans oppose it.
Well, if they're for them, the reason they oppose it now, they oppose it then, is now when they actually passed it.
It's because it came from a black man.
It came from Obama, and they didn't want to go along with Obama or anything.
We should have national health care in this country like every other...
I mean, for God's sake, Turkey has national universal healthcare.
Hungary has national universal healthcare.
All these dictators that Trump ad-admires have a country where they have universal healthcare.
Thanks, Mark.
Thank you, Mark.
It is 6.49, coming back with more of the conversation on John and Gordy in the morning.
Yeah.
You got it.
Like a
zombie.
Can
you do
that?
Oh yeah, I tried one out as a kid to do the monster drink.
That's from a hunter barbaric cartoon.
It's great stuff.
It is good stuff.
It was 652.
Coming up in about 15 minutes, we're going to be talking to Ghost Hunter and paranormal, paranormal, easy for me to say, paranormal investigator, Todd Michaels.
You will join us in our seven o'clock hour after the news.
All right.
This is John Oliver on last week tonight.
He exposed a massive cost to Americans over Medicare and Medicare Advantage.
It's really kind of interesting to listen to.
Let's let's check this out.
Two, three, nine.
And what I don't have to show you, one more ad for it, especially as it basically recaps everything I just said, I'm gonna do it anyway.
Because it is magnificent.
Okay, hold on.
Hold
on.
Can you pause it?
Just pause it.
Okay.
Okay.
Not faded.
Um, uh, this is an ad that they were giving in regards to Medicare Advantage.
It's a
private version of Medicare, but it has the same rules and regulations.
Okay.
But this is a complicated, ridiculous promo to buy Medicare Advantage.
Listen to this.
Honey, we already have Medicare.
Why do I need to call
Alan?
The Feldman said we may be able to get additional benefits with a Medicare Advantage plan right here in our zip code with $0 monthly premium.
This
is real.
Honey, what do you mean additional benefits?
We turned 65, we got Medicare.
That's all there is to it, right?
I'm talking about Medicare Part C, commonly called Medicare Advantage.
We have traditional Medicare, which is only Medicare Parts A and B, but not Part C. Wait.
So not everyone on Medicare is a Part C plan?
No, that's why we need to call because there may be plans available with additional benefits that aren't covered under Medicare Parts A and B. We don't have a Medicare Part C plan which covers everything in Part A and Part B plus extra benefits in Medicare Part C.
What kind of extra benefits?
There are great plans that may be available with extra benefits like dental, vision, and hearing.
Did you say dental?
And
this is true, only the first half of that commercial.
That's crazy stuff.
You know, I realized too that Obamacare is actually a lot less costly than Medicare, believe it or not.
People are in fixed checks, fixed checks and incomes, and they have to pay money out of their social security in order to buy Medicare.
Right.
And then you have supplemental insurance, which is another $200.
It's $200 just for Part B. That's just normal.
They take it out of your social security.
Then $200 for supplemental insurance, that's another, that's $400.
And then there's Part D, which is your drug plan.
That's another $200.
They're taking $600 out of your social security check.
You're living on nothing, basically.
You don't have rent.
And that's more expensive than the ACA Obamacare that we're getting.
And when we go to the phones right away here, I have more cuts, but we'll probably won't get to them.
Joe, what do you got for us?
Good morning, Joe.
Boy, this is just a whirlwind this morning.
It's hard to figure out which...
Tendril to follow, but I'll follow one thing you just said right there, which is that they're talking about cutting SNAP benefits.
And there are something like 13% of the people getting SNAP benefits are people who are elderly, who are on Social Security.
So there's a reason why they need to pay out on the
medical
side.
You've just delineated so very well.
I will just throw into the mix.
If we go back to a pre-market, that means we go back to people can be booted off.
their forms, there's no help for pre-existing conditions and everybody has a pre-existing condition.
They were dropping people for acne.
They were dropping people because they once had a broken leg.
They were dropping women because they had been pregnant.
I mean, that's what we'd be going back to.
Well, their
forms, they made a mistake on a form.
They were dropped.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Exactly.
All of these reasons you're dropped and once you're dropped, you're, you're, you're deadly on in between insurance companies.
I would add into the mix that our president is dealing with this in his usual fantastic way.
If somebody pointed out, he said 15 years to craft a replacement to the healthcare system.
You know, there's so, he was going to do a day one on his first term and he said on a tweet last night,
where
he said,
uh, uh, rates are going through the roof for really bad healthcare or rates are going through the roof because he pulled the supplemental insurance for ACA, duh.
And then he says.
do something Democrats exclamation point exclamation point that's it it's
exactly
right 15 years to craft something and here we are so thanks guys all right happy birthday thank you Joe I
appreciate that thank you very much Joe yeah somebody texted here CJ and the ACA is what we got as a compromise ACA Obamacare it's Romney care
You know, Mitt Romney, a Republican, it is Romney Care, as I recall.
Now, I got to tell you this story.
Last night, my wife was trying to set up her doctor appointments before the end of the year with a current plan.
And she was even emailed, you know, in a reminder that she should get a certain kind of exam.
So she called to set up an appointment for that exam.
She couldn't get it.
There's no room this year.
And she got so angry, she wrote an email to these people and she said, here I am, I'm gonna pay the next two months worth of premiums and I can't get in for an examination and I can't use my insurance because you can't fit me in.
That's the kind of goofball plan that we have in this country and they didn't include the the What was it the plan where you could join a you could join Medicare for all And the option I can't remember they call it some kind of option, but you could join and and people would have flocked into this general
universal health care plan, if they included it in Obamacare, and we talked about it the other day, they, of course, killed that.
One Democrat killed that whole thing for everybody.
Unbelievable.
Oh,
it was called the public option.
Oh, the public, okay.
Yep.
Very good.
It is 6.59.
We've got news, weather and sports updates straight ahead, and then we're coming back.
We're gonna talk to Todd Michaels.
That's right.
He's a ghost.
Hunter and a paranormal investigator.
He's also an alien, something you like.
He's an alien from another planet.
Ask your alien questions, Gordy.
Can't wait.
Coming back with more of John and Gordy for Halloween Friday.
Happy Halloween.
It's
a Halloween and we're celebrating here on the program.
Happy
Friday too and it's a clear cool start this morning.
38 degrees highs in the low 50s.
There might be a few sprinkles, maybe some scattered showers around trick or treat time this evening.
But it's just a slight chance.
Highs in the low to mid 50s.
And we welcome in Todd Michaels to John and Gordy's show.
Good morning, Todd.
Todd is
a
good to have you with us.
He's a paranormal investigator, a ghost hunter.
A
ghost hunter, yeah.
And works on a couple of TV shows nowadays, I think.
What shows are you working on?
Real ghost stories.
Is that
real?
Ghost stories is actually a couple of podcasts, Gordy.
Real ghost stories online where we actually have listeners and people.
right in their own ghost stories, which range from anything from, Hey, listen, that's just an electrical problem in your house.
Check that out to boy, that's, that's one of the most strange things I've ever heard.
But years and years and years, I think this thing's been going on since like 2010, 2012.
Um, and then another one called hidden killers with Tony brusky, that one touches on the hauntings of real people, not hauntings, but.
the real nasty people out there in everyday life that are murdering people.
And some of these people are getting away with it left and right.
So those are the two big projects that I have.
Yeah.
And in fact, you were mentioning with Pete.
on the show earlier, last night rather, you were talking about how Hidden Killers is kind of like a show about real monsters.
In fact, they have so many of these specials now, Ed Geinstory, which I haven't, I've watched the first episode and it's scary and bizarre and uncomfortable as heck.
Have you seen any part of that at all, the Ed Geinstory?
Yeah, I saw a little bit of it.
It was hard for me to get Metcalfe.
What's her name?
Oh,
Lori Metcalfe.
Yeah, I love her.
I mean, she's so funny.
And I think everything she's ever been in is great.
But to see her in the Ed Gein story, it kind of turned me off.
I wasn't able to get into the Ed Gein mind space, which may be a good thing when you think about it.
Well, I think it's his mother, isn't it?
That's really, really making me uncomfortable.
The whole relationship is just bizarre.
What's really weird about that, John, is if you look at a lot of serial killers or people that just do horrible, horrible things in the true crime world, a lot of them have very interesting connections with their mother.
Their mother's a narcissist, mother's controlling.
There's a weird, you know, not necessarily in a sexual way, but certainly a weird love or connection between that mother and that son.
So it's not unheard of even today.
We have stories within the last five, 10 years of people who have done very similar things.
Yeah.
Now, Todd, do you actually go out and do ghost hunting?
Are you out there in the field and doing...
those kinds of things with people.
I know you don't believe in them, Gordy, but
right back here, behind all my other equipment is my bag of ghost hunting equipment.
It's right back here.
So if you ever need
me, I can throw the backpack
on
and be on the road.
But yeah, I do actually.
It's been a few years since I've been out, but I do.
So in all of those experiences, what was the most compelling thing that you discovered or you saw or you witnessed?
What can you share with us on that?
Can
I give
you a couple?
There were some firsts because when you investigate, whenever you do anything, there's a first for everything, right?
There's the first time you walk up a ramp on a record at a radio station.
There's the first time you read a newscast, all that kind of stuff.
So we were in Washington Island at a place called Nelson's Hall, which is the longest running
basically tavern in wisconsin they never really closed down during prohibition because the guy got a license to be a pharmacist and he would prescribe bitters to all of his uh quote-unquote patients so they were basically a bar during that entire time and one of the oddest things that ever happened to me at that location was we were doing a spirit box session a spirit box session is basically a radio that continually goes through all the channels all the frequencies on it very quickly
kind of like a scanner
kind of like a scanner exactly and so the thought process is if you get something back through that that's more than one or two syllables you're actually hitting several frequencies on the radio there's got to be some sort of communication there at any rate we weren't actually getting any spirit box interaction but there were three of us and we had a recorder in the middle of us we were just asking questions and right in the middle of us about
head level, eye level came this guttural growl out of nowhere.
And the first thing you do as an investigator, you go, okay, which one of you is hungry?
We got
to
get some food in
us because this is going to ruin the
investigation.
And we kind of laughed it off and then it happened again very loudly and we actually caught that on video and audio and it was very surprising to me because I'd never had anything like that happen.
So that was the first one that was kind of blown.
The
second one was actually seeing a shadow figure at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay.
peeking out behind columns that hold up this huge structure.
We put up a laser grid, which is just a bunch of laser lights.
Remember when President Bush said a thousand points of light or whatever
he
said?
Same thing.
You
can see the lights being broken, right?
Right.
You can see the lights being broken behind this column, which was very, very freaky.
And then we actually caught it on video.
on the train itself running into the engine part of the train.
And then I think the third thing that kind of blew me away was it was very minor, but it kind of changed my mind in my investigation.
We were at a martini bar in Appleton and we had been getting a few things throughout the night.
Maybe we'd hear something or we might hear a voice or whatever.
But at the end of the night, we were all sitting at the bar kind of winding down and I said,
You know, I'm thinking to myself, maybe we're asking this thing to communicate in a way that it can't communicate.
It would be like coming up to you in the middle of the street and telling you that I'd give you a million dollars, but I'm talking in a language that you don't understand.
Like, we're just expecting whatever this is, spirit, ghost, entity, whatever, to be able to communicate the way we're telling it to.
And I just said, you know what, whatever it is, whatever you do really well around here because they had reports, obviously, of paranormal activity.
So whatever you do, I'm going to count to three.
You just do it.
And we got this on tape, video and everything else.
And I said, OK, let's just do it.
Whatever it is, one, two, three.
And in the minute I said three, there was a big clank from behind the bar.
Wow.
And just off to the side of the bar.
It was the walk-in cooler door, the handle, the big metal handle had swung out and slapped back,
which is
something they had reported happening at that location, but it happened right on cue.
And that said to me, you know what?
We can't go in expecting to communicate with who we think we're communicating with, how they want to communicate.
We're in their world at that point.
They have the power to tell us how they want to talk to us.
Yes.
And I talked to Gordy about this.
He doesn't believe in any of this stuff.
I'm
a skeptic, but
I'll go down that
road in a minute.
But
John has had personal experience.
I've never had any experiences like this.
But the crazy thing is, Todd, is that when I was a little kid, a tiny little kid, maybe three or four years old, I was seeing ghosts in my dreams.
No, why would you?
Dream about something you have no idea existed I mean if there was no reason for me to even know anything about ghosts, but I would see them I'd hide under the blanket and I'd be looking out at the blanket and I'd see an eye looking through the part of the blanket that didn't go down tightly on the mattress
Yeah, you had a troubled
completely freaked out of course and of course
Todd knows about my experience with the apparition in a farmhouse, a country farmhouse, where I pulled on the pant leg of it, thinking it's just material in a room full of junk.
And it turns out that there are guys in
there.
Where do you buy pants in the ghost world?
No, we need a new pair.
I can tell you that.
OK.
Where do you get your laundry done?
But the whole thing here is, and I always tell Cody this, that you really have to give credit to ghosts because
They really have to...
conjure up a lot of energy.
They have to tap into a source in order to even try to communicate with us.
And when they do that, you got to give them a little bit credit.
I mean, they're out there trying to say something to us, to poke us, to do something, create a sound, and they need a tremendous amount of energy for.
I think we found out this morning, John, that if the ghosts were naked, Gordy would probably believe in them.
So basically, I
think we've
figured out why.
I think you've got it right there.
All right, I've got a short clip.
about a minute and a half to play from Neil deGrasse Tyson, a scientist, a world renown.
Here's what he thinks about ghosts.
No one believes him.
I've
always wondered about ghosts.
They clearly can pass through walls, but then why don't they just drop through the floor and fall into the basement?
Basements should be full of ghosts, but they're not.
What's up with that?
How many are there?
Well, there's about 80 billion people who have ever lived.
We got eight.
billion people alive today.
That's 10 ghosts of dead people for every living person walking this earth.
That's too crowded.
Why aren't there more of them?
Why do you gotta go to special places at certain times and only see some of them?
They should be everywhere and they're not.
We have no idea unless you're religious and you have a strong belief.
That's right.
Ethic in that.
That's right.
We have no idea what happens after
death.
That's right.
Nothing can be spookier.
That's right.
And even those belief systems cannot be confirmed in any sort of experimental strategy.
Of course, right.
People have tried.
As you know, they're even expressed in fiction, like Dan Brown's novel, Angels and Demons.
There supposedly was an experiment where they had somebody who was about to die and weighed him and then he died and they weighed him again and it's a little lighter.
you know, some sort of physical thing, like a
soul.
They even tried.
Right when.
And you got to give them credit for doing the
experiment.
You got to try.
Yeah,
yeah.
So if everyone thinks you have a soul and there's science that can test things, why not test your soul?
So right after only gin, we'll have only gin
discovered
x-rays, x-rays can see through your body.
No one else ever saw through your body.
Right.
Now x-rays, so they get somebody dying on the bench and they waited for him to die.
to see if they saw something leaving his body with the egg, then they didn't.
They did not.
That's right.
All right.
Well,
hey, so you've heard scientific pushback before.
Sure.
What's your response,
Todd?
I've got an answer.
I know what you're going to say, Todd.
Go ahead.
Well, a couple of things.
First of all, science only knows what it knows right to this point, right?
So that's kind of why people investigate is to see if there is a way that we can prove something's going on.
Second of all,
and I love that gentleman, but his thought process on ghosts
and
spirits is a little, well, it's very elementary.
My belief, Gordy, is not that a ghost is like, if I die, here's what I believe, Gordy.
I think my spirit, my energy, whatever that is, doesn't stay here, doesn't go over there, doesn't, whatever.
It can go anywhere, okay?
And so we have stuff going on around us all the time that we're just not experiencing.
And if I die, I'm not going to be stuck in my house.
Part of me may be here because, listen, I've lived here.
I've had laughter and tears here.
My energy is here.
I've expelled energy here.
And so part of me will always be here in some way, shape, or form.
I'll give you a quick example.
And John, I think you'll enjoy this more than Gordy, but I went to Canaan Island Lighthouse in Door County.
I love that location.
It's a beautiful
location.
I love lighthouses, whatever.
And I brought a couple of pieces of equipment and stuff.
And in the back of my mind, I had this idea that my mom might visit me.
My mom's never been there.
My mom knew I loved it.
My mom's been gone a couple of years now.
And I went there that day and had some experiences on the island, walked up to a rock wall that surrounds the island, put my equipment down and just had a session of some conversations.
And I was getting responses on the equipment.
We got some audio back.
and it seemed like it was my mother.
Now I can't prove it was my mom, but she responded to the questions I asked.
There was some audio that we recorded.
Pretty cool experience.
Yeah, that's great.
But you know, there are different ways of hauntings.
You know, there's there's energy that is left behind.
There's like a repeat haunting that just.
Residual?
Residual haunting, yes.
There are different kinds of hauntings and different kinds of energy that are either left behind or the person is still there and can't move away from it for some reason is locked in, right?
Yeah, I think so.
And I'm leaning less away from being locked in.
I think that if something traumatic happened there, maybe something more would stick around.
I really think that we have the ability to go and do whatever we want when we're gone.
And if somebody conjures us up, you might come back and say hi.
Todd, can you stay with us a few more minutes?
Heck,
yeah.
All right.
We're coming back with Todd Michaels, ghost hunter, paranormal investigator on John and Gordy, WMDX.
Stay right there.
Special
Halloween edition of the John and Gordy in the Morning show right here in 92.7 it is it's
It's a very revealing morning here.
We're finding out that this guy doesn't have any feeling whatsoever for the afterlife.
What are you talking about?
Gordy is apparently trying to say that there's this thing of spirits or ghosts.
Just
because I'm a skeptic.
Here we have Todd Michaels, a ghost hunter, and he trashes him.
I'm
not
trashing
him.
I love Todd, I think Todd's doing
great.
Hey, by the way, is Dominic the one picking the music this morning?
Yes, well, Dominic and John.
Oh my gosh, I haven't heard Trick or Treat in a long time.
That is,
oh my gosh.
Yeah, we got a whole bunch.
I have saved the stuff over the many, many years.
I'm a big, big fan of Halloween.
I just love it.
Hey, let's get into some of these ghost shows that got a lot of people interested.
In fact, I used to watch the ghost show with my kid.
He just loves ghost hunting.
We did that.
we went to New Orleans and did some ghost
hunting
there stayed at one of the ghostly hotels down there and We also went to Memphis.
There are a couple of places there We heard a few things we picked up a few things EVPs, but other than that, you know, just sitting there with my kid.
What's EVP?
Sorry
electronic voice Phenomena phenomena.
That's right.
And you have white noise, right?
and your recorders pick up voices that use that energy from white noise in order to speak into the recorder.
Is that correct?
Todd, am I close?
Well, you're very
close.
Okay.
Gordy's sitting there laughing, but that was what I was saying, Gordy, off the air was, it's tough when you work in the world of audio and you're so used to using that equipment and you know how it works and you know the anomalies you can get with it.
And then you do a session, an EVP session.
And you're asking questions and all of a sudden there's a response that wasn't there to your ear.
You've got to go.
What the heck was that?
I will tell you one other quick interesting story, John.
I don't know if you know this, but a world renowned psycho, whatever, big guy in the industry of paranormal actually did something interesting with cassette tapes.
If people remember cassette tapes from back in the day, normally EVPs are done with
equipment that records stuff whether back in the day it was tape now it's mp3 or something else but they took a cassette tape and just laid it on the counter and did a EVP session to see if
the energies could manipulate the magnetic on the tape to do what it wanted to do.
And do you know that they actually got audio on that tape?
No, that sounds really fascinating.
What a great idea.
Look, Gordy, he doesn't believe that.
I'm going to find the crime with eight tracks.
I don't, you know, come on.
Yeah, well, that worked too, Gordy, but it did that weird thing where it went.
Let's talk about some of the ghost shows that are on the travel channel.
One of the funniest ones and one of the dumbest ones is Ghost Adventures.
Zack Baggins is the host of the show.
He's a drama queen from the word go, but the early shows were just
areas because here these guys are ghost hunting and they're locked in the homes.
That was one of the prerequisites.
They had to be locked in overnight.
And the thing is they ran.
Every time there was a ghost or a sound effect or something happened near them, they would bolt.
And I'm thinking, why would you bolt?
Don't you want to see
the spirit?
Don't you want
to communicate with that noise?
That's what drove me nuts about ghost adventures.
They're nuts.
But one thing on this is that Zach Baggins did a special.
He had a movie called Demon House.
I don't know if you've seen that,
but it is
one of the most shocking movies I've seen and as much as I think...
Zach Baggins is a little show busy.
It's a very frightening movie that he made about a haunting that he experienced and he lost much of his sight based on that.
So that's why he wears these big thick glasses.
Okay.
I have a
quick.
I have a
quick.
I have thick glasses too, John, but I don't blame it on
ghosts.
Okay, got a couple minutes left.
I got a quick question.
Why do you think
these ghost phenomena and show up at certain places like we always hear about old theaters or old
churches abandoned houses.
Ever
hear about any old radio stations where,
you know, old announcers?
Listen, I've worked at a haunted radio station.
Really?
That we've actually investigated and got some experiences on tape.
Oh, great.
Gordy, so I'll bring that to you.
Here's my theory on theaters because the Barrymore is a theater that we actually did investigate in Madison and got some good experiences there as well.
Yeah.
There's so much energy over these years, right?
I mean, the performances, the hard times at those theaters.
I really feel like...
All that energy does bring about some experiences.
Same thing with restaurants and bars where they've been owned by families for a long time.
People put their heart and soul into this stuff.
And part of them is left behind.
And so theaters make a lot of sense.
We did the Grand Opera House in Oshkosh.
Found something there.
Did the Papston in Milwaukee.
Found something there.
Did the Riverside in Milwaukee.
I think we actually had a partial... Yeah, thing happened.
Infestation of someone's Wow,
how about the Al Ringling in Baraboo because Baraboo's got some energy there
Yes, I agree with that too.
I've not actually investigated there But I would suspect again because of all the energy put into that business and in making that run I would be surprised if there wasn't something left
well personally I think the Dells is scary all by itself
a Lot of weird stuff around the Dells.
That's true.
No, well, let's give it let's
Give a point to what you're doing, real ghost stories again, you know, fill us in and...
Yeah, where can people
find your work?
real ghost stories online.
You can find it everywhere.
You get podcasts.
There's a YouTube channel.
We do videos throughout the week on there.
So check that out again.
If you've got a ghost story, you can call in, you can write and tell your story.
We listen to it, we analyze it, we probably make fun of you and then we move on.
The other thing you should check out is Hidden Killers with Tony Brusky.
That is also a live broadcast that we do daily at 11 a.m.
Central Time on YouTube.
We talk about all the monsters of today and there's some crazy stuff out
there.
Todd, we're out of time, but thank you for joining
us.
Well, you got to join us again
now that
you're freed up.
Next Halloween, can we book it?
Can we book it for next Halloween?
Yeah, sure.
Absolutely, man.
All right.
Yes.
Best wishes to you and safe travels out there in
the
ghost
world.
All right.
Thank you.
All right.
729 coming back after the Midwest Farm Report with Rocker in the studio.
nuclear brain again.
WMDX, 92.7, it's John and Gordy in the morning.
We have to have Todd Michaels back again.
We
didn't have any time at all and not wait until next Halloween.
No, no, let's get them in around the holidays so we can talk about ghosts of Christmas past and stuff like that.
We definitely
have to have them back.
I wanted to get into how kids get into it, the TV shows that they can watch on this.
I got a little long on my dream house with Zach Baggins, the producer of
adventures but I really want to get into this a little bit more and I want to
at least
I want to convince you that there is a different kind of haunting and maybe it's a haunting that you're unfamiliar with the reason why those hauntings exist.
Yes and you know I'm not doubting that there's this thing called paranormal activities that happen.
I'm just my big thing is ghosts really.
Ghosts.
Ghosts don't wear sheets.
They don't wear sheets.
but they have clothing.
Where do they get the clothes?
And I also wanted to wonder their clothing.
I want to talk to you know, give
us an idea of some of the movies
that
are out there that are just great ghost stories, great ghost movies, not slasher movies, but actual ghost movies.
All right, well, we've got Rocker in the studio who has to put up with us.
Yeah.
Rocker, you got any ghost stories you want to share?
Well, well, at first I have a ghost joke, I guess, from from my father in law.
And he says, what do you get when you use a ghost?
What when
you
goose a ghost
when you goose a ghost?
What do you get?
I don't know
a handful of sheep
early in the early nineties.
Me and my guitar player actually from Iron Plow, Jeff Mundell, we traveled up to Plainfield and we decided that we were going to make a movie about Ed Gein.
We had done all this research and everything and we were so we went up there and it's pretty crazy because do you know where Ed Gein is buried?
Have no idea.
Well, that's right.
Nobody does now because they moved his body because many people kept going to the Plainfield Cemetery to
dig it up
that you know, and it's such a cult status place.
Yeah.
So they did move at Dean's body.
But before they did, we went up there and we found his grave site.
And there it was.
Right.
And he was only buried like 20 feet or so from actually some of the graves that he had robbed.
And most people don't realize he he's
He's classified a serial killer because he actually killed more than one person, but he only killed two, right?
It wasn't like this, like he did it.
Most of the stuff he did was Rob Graves, right?
Of people who are already dead.
And so the interesting thing was that when we got there, there were all kinds of things left around his headstone, including like, we were up there in the winter.
And so some people had left like Christmas stuff hanging from the, the, the tombstone.
It was pretty crazy.
And so.
We're, you know, we filmed it.
We then we went into town and we stopped at a gas station.
I said, Hey, you know, this old guy was there getting gas or like, Hey, did you ever know?
Oh, yeah, I knew it.
I was a basketball coach.
He used to come see basketball all the time.
And really?
And it was pretty strange conversation talking to this guy who knew it.
He's like, Oh, he was a nice guy and he didn't nothing really good.
Bad things to say about him.
He was all good.
And, uh, and then we decided to try and look around for the house.
You know, where they where they found this stuff and we're driving around in some pretty crazy places up there in Plainfield, but they the folks people went and burned it down.
So yeah, so it's not there, but it's fun.
I think that I think I want to say that we have that video up on Vimeo somewhere, but it's pretty strange.
It was a lot of fun making the movie.
Now we have a text here from Tom Jackson said I heard from a nurse that when she was in training that she worked at a state run nursing home and Ed Gein was
patient there.
Yeah.
Right across the lake.
Yeah.
Right.
That's where he died.
He said here.
Yeah.
He died right across the lake at the Mendoza like Mendoza mental.
And I don't know.
He also
followed that up with.
I also heard Dundee, Wisconsin is a hotspot for alien sightings.
So you
just
spend all your time.
Just go
there.
Okay.
Stay.
Stay in.
Really?
We're just Dundee.
That's not
a knife.
I don't know.
I don't
know.
All right, well, Chris,
Chris
said,
I believe this, I believe this guy, Todd Michaels, more than I believe CJ's.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, let's get into the Maxing preview here.
Yeah.
What's happening on the show this weekend and what's going on around our area.
For sure.
Thanks, guys.
Maxing radio six to nine p.m.
Saturday nights on WMDX 927 right here.
This week, Rob Roberts is in the control room with me.
yours truly rocker.
And this week we have bad wolf.
Excuse me.
Bad Wolf is doing a comeback.
They're making an album.
We're going to talk about that in one second.
Lily Slay.
She's a Milwaukee singer songwriter.
So listen to the podcast and the show.
Find out.
Listen to cut out interviews and performances on Max Inc.
radios Spotify and Apple music pages or go to civic media dot US slash Max Inc.
radio.
Okay.
Let's talk about Lily Slay.
Oh my goodness.
Got a Halloween voice here.
Live from the Mad City, Lily Slay is the Southern Bell Paradox meets Midwest Hot Mess and she cut her teeth playing music in Charleston, South Carolina and after a buddy.
a year after the pandemic lockdown, she packed up her wigs and her kazoo and moved to Milwaukee to escape the heat and try on a new city for size.
And she's ready to come out here to Madison.
She will be here this weekend performing live from the Mad City.
Here's a song from her band, the Royal Tinfoil, which they're from South Carolina.
And this is a song she'll be performing.
Solo acoustic this Saturday night live from the Man City right now.
This is Lily Slay.
This song is called
limousine.
Cool stuff.
Lily Slade, like a throwback to Lily Slade,
different era.
Yeah, wasn't that fun?
And she'll be in here solo acoustic right in the studio Saturday night at eight p.m.
That's Lily Slade from Milwaukee.
And another guest we're going to be having this weekend, Bad Wolf, the Madison, Wisconsin based quartet, Bad Wolf.
They were formed in 1991 by singer, songwriter, guitarist Charles Thomas.
And after reuniting for a musical celebration for the life of Kenny Gonzo Keith,
The singer for Metal Guns, Vinyl Thunder and Predator, Bad Wolf is back with a new album.
The new album is called Dotted Line and they're having an album completion party.
Who has those nowadays, right?
But, you know, they're going to be waiting for some vinyl because vinyl is really backed up, right?
So they got the album done.
They're going to play the show.
It's actually really cool.
Friday, November 8th at the Boulevard, 8 p.m.
And it's only five bucks.
All right.
And they just recorded some new music, so he sent some into us.
And so we show the only
time we can hear Bad Wolf is during the full moon.
Is that right?
I think a full moon is incorporated into their logo.
It's pretty crazy.
Cool.
Well, let's take a listen, right?
This is brand new Bad Wolf.
It comes out of Megaton Studios with Paul Schluter.
This tune is called Badass
Blues.
Take you down, that man is hot as stone and he don't care
Kind of it conjures up images like it could be like the theme song for a movie of guy who he and I has his cowboy boots and and what?
Lizard skin boots or something That's great stuff man.
I don't know how they they really got that kind of you know Classic sound right back to the 80s and kind of that's what it is.
Yeah big
you know, big choruses, good guitar riffs, great drumming.
And what studio is that?
That's Megatone.
That's, that's like the big studio around here.
Yeah.
Well, Paul Schilder, right?
Guitar player from Last Crack.
He's been recording people for years.
And so he's just a pro.
I mean, he's one of the best around.
Right.
Right on.
Okay.
Hey,
tonight, it's Halloween, right?
Yeah.
Chakari Dejaree.
We had her in the studio a couple of weeks back and Friday, October 31st, cargo music presents the the Chakari Dejaree Halloween Jamboree at the Cargo Coffee East from six thirty to eight thirty.
That's tonight.
An unforgettable night of music, fun and spooky stories.
So make sure you can get your spooky stories tonight.
And there will be other bands, not three superstar.
It's Foxy and the sensational My Girl Nandi.
Bring your little ghouls and goblins for a night filled with candy at every table, right?
We had her in the studio just a couple of weeks ago, just an amazing singer.
And this was actually recorded in our studio on our show live from the Mad City.
This is Chikari Dejari.
I know I'm your
woman.
The best curve on woman is her smile So baby won't you smile
She's
just amazing.
Check her out tonight, Friday, October 31st at the Cargo Coffee East on East Washington Avenue.
Shikari.
How do you pronounce your last name?
Shikari Dejaree.
Dejaree.
Okay.
Shikari Dejaree.
She's just absolutely amazing singer.
Do we have time for one more?
Yeah.
All right.
Let's break out rockers closet.
Oh, we're gonna go
back
in time.
We're going back in time to rockers closet.
Yeah, and this was during the 90s kind of the early mid 90s Kelly Dehaven and the miss behaving band.
Yeah, this was a pretty amazing band.
There's some really unique players Clyde stubblefield on drums.
Let's just get that out of the way, right?
Right.
Jeff Eccles on upright bass Vince few on piano Roger Brotherhood on guitar
Doc Dehaven.
Remember Doc.
Oh, yes.
Remember him.
Well, yeah.
Doc and Trumpet, Lugelhorn and Bill Grant on sex.
So just an amazing band that used to play every Tuesday night out by Hildale.
Mm
hmm.
While you could go see him for two bucks and see Clyde's double field on drums.
Here's actually you can hear Clyde right off the bat.
He's counting off the band.
This is from the album No Greater Love.
This is Kelly Dehaven and the Miss Behaven band.
Just chilling.
And we're gonna hear a little bit more of this after we take a brief time out on the Max Ink preview with John
Agourney.
you
2.7 WM DX, hearing a little bit more of Kelly Dehaven and the misbehaving band there.
Just chilling.
Kelly Dehaven, Dr. Haven, Jeff Eccleson bass, Clyde Stubblefield, the great drummer.
Oh man.
Kelly was something else.
She was terrific.
And Dr. Haven, of course, he was the band director for, was it West High School?
I think so.
I'm not sure on that, but Clyde Stubblefield, you know, all of a sudden you'd see him playing in this like.
Jazz right and I went up I once went up to Clyde and I was like jazz.
I mean Clyde
You're the funky drummer.
You're the funky drummer.
I see you know James Brown, you know all this blues, right, you know funk and stuff and You know, what do you practice with these guys?
How do you know how to play all this jazz, right?
Because they're all reading, you know sheets and sheets of music I don't know.
I just come for the free beer in the munchies
Real
natural talent.
He was unbelievable.
He was so
fun.
Hey, let's move on to Becca Murray.
She is the singer for the band Atomic Blonde.
They're a cover band here in Madison, but she does her own music live solo acoustic and Saturday, December 6th at the Boulevard.
You can catch Atomic Blonde, but Becca Murray will be in here in the studio with us in January.
So we'll keep you posted on that Saturday, December 20th.
She is at the Red Mouse as well.
The old kids corner out there and on November 14th.
She's releasing a new single and this new single is called Fly Trap.
This is Becca
Murray.
Damn.
Is she awesome?
Yeah.
You know, go to her Facebook page, find her on Facebook.
She posts a lot of her doing solo covers.
And she's just an amazing artist.
And then she has her own material, which we'll hear right here on Maxingradio coming up in January.
You know, guys, I often wonder, you know, I ride in, I hear CJ calling in and harassing you guys and you guys get back.
But you know what?
He never calls in about the music, never calls in to say anything about the music.
I really wonder.
You know, CJ, if you're out there, you're actually listening to the Maxink radio portion of this.
What music do you listen to?
Who's your favorite local band?
I wonder, yeah.
Let's see if he calls in.
Well, hey, let's get to Candice Griffin, Madison bass singer, songwriter.
She sings backup vocals with Cat in the Hurricane.
And of course, she's her own artist.
on her own.
Cargo Coffee presents Candice Griffin and Thomas Hyber Cobb that's Saturday, November 1st tomorrow night at the Cargo Coffee East on East Washington 630 to 830.
It's a pay what you can at the door.
This is Candice Griffin.
Pick up my pieces.
Take
a bath and I'll take a walk.
I try not to cry whenever we talk.
you go, it'll be fine.
That won't stop me from drinking the rest of your
Candice Griffin.
Yeah, that's
great.
You know, I've
been
to Cargo Coffee.
It's right near the Sylvie.
That's right.
Right across the street.
Yeah.
And it's a big place.
So they can
certainly handle the crowd, right?
And Dana Perry, great local artist.
She is president of the Mamas and she runs the music over there.
Oh, okay.
It's always a great.
session
guess what a couple of minutes ago rocker you asked what music CJ liked
just
wondering
I
don't know we can ask him now he's on the phone again CJ we're just talking music we only got a minute here so go ahead
hey guys thanks for mentioning me but I was very good friends with Clyde stubblefield yeah great guy
Met him through I guess if you remember the restaurant Mountain Jack
sure
I was married a jail from there, but Anyways, you know, I guess I'm into Christian music now.
It's more like rock and roll than it used to be Yeah, so yeah, but I don't know rocker were you the guy that
When I used to protest out in front of the radio station delivered me a pizza and it said vote Kerry in pepperoni
That wasn't me that must have been
critty So
you married somebody out at at that restaurant
Really?
No, uh, five did.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
All right.
CJ, all right.
Thanks for calling.
We're out of time.
Rocker,
have a great Maxx weekend.
Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate you coming in.
That's going to do it for us.
Monday we'll have Steve Cochran, Chicago podcaster and radio guy give us the Chicago report.
I think we're
finally given Gordy a chance to believe in ghosts this morning
on this great Halloween.
I don't know if he still does.
I believe I have to think it over some more.
Okay, that's it.
Have a great weekend.
Happy Halloween.
See you later.
Drags back I wanna secure Drags back I wanna secure Drags back I love it,
right?
Drags back I think so, yeah.
WMDX92.7 is John and Gordy getting up beerin' up.
For Halloween tomorrow, we'll be talking Ghosts tomorrow.
and convincing Gordy that there are such things as
spirits.
Okay.
Uh, it is 635 and we have clear skies and 36 degrees.
Okay.
Today in the low to mid fifties, Tim Slacker joins us from busted pencils.
Education talk about education talk.
Oh my God.
Something like that.
Good
morning.
That's a hard
tagline.
Educated educators talking
about education.
That's not a talking education.
We talked education.
Tim, let me ask you before we get into the weeds on everything else with Ryan Walters and everything.
Do you believe in ghosts?
You're an educated person.
You know actually pay attention tomorrow Yeah to producers choice episode when it drops because our producer Jacob asks us that question directly oh Okay, and I will you know kind of give a hint I myself have not really seen what I think is a ghost but I Witnessed
my dog who absolutely saw a ghost.
Oh, yes, yes.
Animals get to see
ghosts, yes.
What do you mean?
Yes, animals have to have a
discussion with him.
Gordy,
calm down.
Look, the setting, yeah, perfect music.
He's my dog, he's my hunting dog, and we're...
you know doing a walking around in the the rural fields backfields of pennsylvania and come up on an old cemetery and as we turn the corner and come into the cemetery my dog who is typically nose to the ground ground looking for pheasants and rabbits stops dead
looks at something with an intensity and his hair stood up on all over the place and he wouldn't go forward.
Wow.
Wow.
I've got
goosebumps just from listening
to this.
I've never seen anything like that ever.
Something was there that was incredibly disturbing to this dog who typically
You know, and and has charged skunks, has charged, you know, anything but something that day in that cemetery.
So there you go, Gordy.
What do you think?
Yeah.
So Gordy, you changed your mind, right?
There was a cat behind one of the gravestones.
That's
terrible.
That's just terrible.
That's just that.
You know, animals have that ability to see something that's that's there, but you can't see it.
They have that that.
that ability that
sense.
Yeah.
So,
yeah.
I'm just telling you, he was, he was very disturbed in a way that made me go, wow, what the heck is going on?
Why are
you walking your dog in a cemetery anyway?
Lots of things for him to mark, I guess, huh?
Well, it's
hard.
It was one of these kind of old worlds.
Okay, well cemetery, you know that never used any more park we were hunting in Yeah, and they were just like it kind of it's like they left it there and yeah You know whoever whoever was hanging out in under the ground there must have been you know up having some tea or drinking and and we came up on them and my dog realized that they were there and I guess one of those ghosts must have looked at him with the sense of gone like if you come any closer dog that's right and and he knew
Hmm.
Okay.
Well, we have a text from Curt says, so if you believe that there is a God, how does that work?
And if you believe that there is a God, maybe that God is just missing with you, Gordy.
Okay.
Just
saying.
What if you don't believe in God, but you believe in ghosts?
Where does that leave you?
Hmm.
Wait a minute.
Okay.
Alright, let's ponder that for a moment.
No, let's not ponder any of that.
You're just trying to get out of the fact that you have already been told a couple of ghost stories and you're denying the fact that there aren't such things as ghosts.
I
think ghost stories have been around for a long time and they're just left over from the early days of humankind.
You know,
what else
did they have to do back then except
make up stories about ghosts?
Last Saturday I went to see the psychic sisters And the one psychic sister was letting us you know telling us about a time that she was in a
haunted hotel and a spirit scratched her leg and that scratch got infected and led her to the emergency room.
So there you go, Gordie.
How are you?
Explain that.
Define the
proof.
Okay.
Explain.
I mean, she was in the emergency room because of the ghost scratching her.
Okay.
That's right.
You know, it's a great story.
Do you have any documentation on that?
Any
photos?
Any video?
Okay.
She, I mean, she had a scratched infected leg.
There probably are photographs of that.
That's a hardcore evidence right there, man.
Well, it's evidence.
Yes, it's medical evidence.
They
probably have a record of that.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
There you go.
Great.
You've changed my mind.
I believe in ghosts.
Okay.
Can we move on?
I
guess I guess a lot of
people have ghost stories and I, you know, I just, I never witnessed
anything even close to any of this.
Thanks for bringing up the fact that pets do have that ability to see spirits.
Yeah.
Completely forgot about that aspect of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's get into another ghostly story about Ryan Walters still alive.
The zombie, zombie Ryan Walters continues to stalk the earth.
You can't
keep him down.
What's he been up
to lately?
He's on to new and better things.
He's got, you know, he finally has got a focus with enemy number one, the unions.
Oh.
Also,
well, you know, it's one of those crazy groups, right?
You know crazy names and when there's a thing when they have a crazy name You know that they're absolutely a right-wing group and it's teacher freedom alliance
Yes, because those teachers have been looking for someone to free them from union dues
That's right.
Yeah.
The oppression of the union requiring dues payments.
That's right.
Do you understand the bondage that is put up in there?
I
know all the
pensions that they have to put up with all
the
rules.
The suffering every month that a teacher goes through to see that deduction on their paycheck for their union dues.
Yeah.
I mean, there's there's a whole set of mental health counselors dealing with the trauma of union dues.
That's right.
That's right.
These are
these are freeloaders.
There's a Supreme Court case that allowed teachers and all public employees basically to not have to pay union dues because they are against unions and union dues.
So they were allowed that by the Supreme Court, which is crazy because, you know, we have that here with Act 10
in the state
with Scott Walker.
and they made it seem like it was just really unfair.
But the point here is that if you get into public service, you know there's going to be a union there, and you know you're going to pay union dues.
Why did you get into this in the first place?
If you don't want to pay union dues, you don't want to be a part of a union, don't get a job in a union!
Duh.
I
don't know why they didn't ask me to argue this in front of the Supreme Court.
But that's what I would have said.
I would have said, you guys have a choice.
You can take a walk.
You can leave the building and say, I'm not working for a union and find a job someplace else, but you don't have a right to take a job in a union and then say, you don't want to pay the damn dues.
Damn it.
Settle
down here.
I guess take a deep breath.
My work is done here.
I know Perry Mason look out.
Okay so kind of what you just said so why is Ryan Walters still animated because the Supreme Court
said, OK, you don't have to pay your dues.
Yeah.
Seems to me like the problem has been solved now.
That's right.
You know, yeah.
So I can join a union and not pay.
Get all the benefits.
End of story.
So what what is it that?
What is he doing?
What is he going after at this point?
Yes.
You know, he's the freedom alliance, teacher freedom alliance.
Actually too, and I was thinking about this, you know, I've done, believe it or not, a lot of work with teachers over the years.
And I can actually probably testify pretty strongly that they do feel incredibly not free.
And when I ask them about that sense of bondage, of feeling restrained, of never have they ever told me
The $35 union dude is what?
It's funny how that works like that.
It's politicians who put regulations on what they're allowed to teach, when they're supposed to teach.
It's sometimes school leaders who have a sense of, you know,
going after test scores and so therefore you know teaching anything creatively is against the rules and well and again why does that come from politicians who put in place policies that are you know kind of framed as well we need this to help the kids and the reality is that actually what it does is stifle and put teachers in bondage so that they're not able to
teach.
I didn't see any of this.
We're talking about this new article in the 74 that's highlighting what Ryan Walters is up to now.
I didn't see that the bond that he was going after was the freedom to teach.
Yeah.
And like I said, I mean, that's how simple it is.
I, you know, I did research on, I had like 450 teachers across the country, filling out a survey about, you know, what it is about teaching.
And this is dealing with, you know, the Exodus, why teachers are quitting and why they're leaving.
And actually, very simply, it was, if I was just allowed to teach, I wouldn't be thinking of leaving the freedom to teach.
And
Brian, come on, man.
You, you, you are out there.
You have the ability.
You even are now with the teacher freedom alliance.
Exactly.
I'm telling you, I know teachers are out there saying we need some freedom.
Thank God.
Yeah,
we got a text here from.
I believe it's Budd in Jamesville.
Hey, John and Gordy, if a public school teacher doesn't want to pay union dues, just tell them to go work in a parochial school and make a lot less money.
Love your show.
That's Budd
from Jamesville.
Good point, Budd.
That's what it's all about.
And we will continue this discussion and what they're all about and what Ryan Walters is all about in just a few moments.
Yeah, it's our two-year anniversary here on John and Gordy.
We got a note from our former producer, Sam Davison.
who says I love hearing angry Johnny again.
Congrats on two years on the air.
Too bad Catherine's firing all three of you tomorrow.
Okay, thanks for the huts
up there, Sam.
Back with more of John and Gordy after this.
We need an atom brain to control things but you know, I think that's even smarter than AI So all right, this is John and Gordy in the morning here on wmdx 92.7 It is 6
53 we'll see sunshine this morning some clouds this afternoon highs in the low to mid 50s right now 37 degrees here.
We continue our conversation here with dr. Tim Slecker from
Busted pencils are great podcast you can hear on the civic media Network you can check it out on the app civic media app mm-hmm.
You drop new episodes every week right to
oh, yeah Monday Wednesday Friday, and I can't remind everybody on your radio dial if you you know still have a radio
On Saturdays at three o'clock.
There you go.
One hour
program, too.
All right.
One hour program.
I mean, if you need some indoctrination, we got it.
OK.
Dr. of indoctrination, Tim Slicker.
We're talking about Ryan Walters and his next quest of course is to drive out Marxism in the schools.
So you were kind of fascinated by the fact that maybe these students are learning about Marxism after all and that is education, isn't
it?
I mean, I would think that as a, you know, a professional that he is, that he wouldn't just be going after some kind of fake problem.
Right.
You know, there must, there, there must be, you know, really hard core, hard core documented evidence that our, our children, our kids must be
You know, we know they're not proficient at reading and math There must be an assessment out there.
I haven't seen yet that shows though that they are absolutely proficient at being able to talk about Marxism Maybe even so proficient that they're able to influence society and that they are potentially now at the point of totally
Turning our economy into a socialistic Marxist economy because if you look around you can see evidence everywhere that You know, we don't have an oligarchic Capitalistic system where 1% of the population owns everything.
Yeah, you know because that would be evidence of not Marxism Exactly.
Exactly.
I
think
that's not
You know, that's not happening in this country.
So, you
know, but those are the things where you sit down and and rationally, hopefully somebody would say, wait a minute, I don't see that.
Capitalism is under threat in America.
Exactly.
There's no evidence that capitalism is on the ropes.
Capitalism on the ropes.
I love that.
So I you point this out and go it's just like so beware on Halloween of people wearing masks You know Or or misdirecting us in in a in a direction that that would say instead of looking here where there's You know a ton of evidence look over here at
Something that I would rather you pay attention to there really has no bearing on anything Right and and and you know understand that that that really is that that's the attack On something you know that that maybe doesn't exist, you know Is it that?
Marxism and this is what I know this is the truth we we use that label not I'm not part of that we but we
that label comes across largely from the standpoint of mostly, to me, really good education that helps students get into a place where they have questions.
And so when you hear questioning, oh, that must be Marxism.
Yeah, I mean, wait, the kids came out with an understanding of the crash of the stock market and the things that led into that.
And now they have an ability to look at history and ask questions today of the economy.
Oh, crap, they're Marxists, you know.
You know that that's what's going on because no one would have any questions about an economy that distributes wealth to the wealthy and distributes pain and suffering to the poor.
Why would you question that?
Yeah, it's hard to even imagine doing something that's ridiculous.
You know, so yeah, you know, this is that the party say it's it's like it's a we would like to suppress the masses through our own indoctrination and that's where I just wish there was more honesty about this and saying that you know We're just not happy with the what we believe is the indoctrination of critical thinking We would like to get back to instilling compliance and pay attention and do what you're told.
Yeah
Because that's what schools have always been good at is compliance.
And actually, Ryan, I want to point out the evidence.
They're still really, really good at creating citizens who just actually go along and pay attention and don't.
cause a whole lot of trouble.
No.
Our public school system is probably the best insulation to any attempts to overthrow capitalism.
I agree.
There you have it.
OK.
But but Gordy.
Yes, I got to leave it there.
My fish.
I just saw my fish.
It must have saw a ghost.
Really?
I could count.
You could see the way it moved.
Really?
Yeah.
It just, it just swam there.
It just stayed in one place.
It was freaked out.
Maybe it's dead.
Okay.
Wait, wait.
You mean being upside down and
floating?
That's just a
different style of swimming.
Tim Slicker, thank you for joining us.
Check out Busted Pets on the Sun Civic Media.
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Clear skies this morning.
We'll see a lot of sunshine highs around 59 degrees.
Right now it's 38 here.
And time for us to welcome in our guest, Sharon Bowie.
Sharon, good morning.
Good to have you with us this morning.
It's great to be here.
Thank you.
Tell us about the organization that you're with and about this event coming up.
Give us a little bit of background on
this.
Okay.
Um, well, the event is a gala that will be on November 22nd at the Goodman Center.
It's by Moses, which is the satellite organization of the wisdom organization.
And what we do or what they do is they work for systemic change in the criminal justice system to try and make it more equitable for individuals who are incarcerated and who are released from incarceration.
That incarceration.
Not Moses stands for medicine, organizing in strength, equity, and solidarity.
That's correct.
It's an acronym.
Yes, it is.
All right.
And how did you become involved with this organization?
Well, I'm a member of a couple of different criminal legal organizations that seek, as I said, systemic change, and Moses is a part of some of those organizations.
For some reason, they decided to honor me with the Transformation Award at their upcoming Gala.
and do
you think you deserve it?
You must have an idea
why
they're honoring you.
Can you tell us a little bit about your personal
story?
You're out there promoting this, so
that's fantastic, right?
Yeah, well, I'm deeply honored to be considered for this award.
I believe it's...
an indication of when commitment meets transformation.
And as a result, you become a little bit bigger than yourself.
Whether or not I deserve it, that's up for the individuals who are bestowing that.
Now,
you're at the office for justice reform.
Yes.
Now, that works together with Moses on this as well, right?
Well,
actually not um we recently had us a sequential intercept model training at mapping training at the uh line energy center in moses was one of the invitees
there all right now is here is there reform taking place are they are are they actually making reform happen or just at least getting their two cents in
Well, Moses is absolutely gonna get their two cents in.
They attend numerous county functions, and I believe city functions, to make their opinions known on some of the criminal legal issues that are happening in the state and in the city.
I can tell you the Office of Justice Reform is a relatively new office in Dane County, and we're doing as much work as we can to reform
the criminal legal system here to make it, again, more equitable for everyone.
Is there a bail type of situation that you're trying to reform or has that been reformed?
Well, as I said, the Office of Justice Reform is new.
And we're under tremendous leadership from our director.
And she has us looking at various options and, you know, looking at best practices throughout the United States.
Yes.
Try and figure out what we can import here.
to Dane County to make this a better place.
Talking with Sharon Bowie here.
Now, I understand you're not the only person that's gonna be recognized at this fundraiser on November 22nd at the Goodman Center.
There are three justice impacted individuals who have worked through stigma and disparity to transform their lives.
Can you tell us a little bit about your personal story or how you, you know, how things have changed for you?
Sure.
You know, the one thing I believe is that true gold fears no fire.
So I don't necessarily lead with my personal story.
But if anyone wants to know, I don't try and hide or run from it either.
I am legally system impacted.
I was released from incarceration five years ago, about five and a half years ago.
Since that time, I've tried to.
atone for some of the actions that caused me to be incarcerated, that gave rise to that incarceration.
It's not something that I'm proud of, but it's something that I use to try and be an example to those individuals in the community to know that you don't have to be defined by the worst event in your
life.
And you work with the Madison Justice team, is that right?
Yes, I
do.
And so do you work with individuals that are going through some of the same kind of things that you went through after being incarcerated?
Well, the Madison Justice team is more like a satellite organization that consists of numerous organizations who are working together toward the goal of reforming the justice system.
Changing the system.
Yeah.
Working for Dane County, you know, my job is as a data and evaluation analyst or coordinator and what I do is I get the actual quantitative data and I marry it with the qualitative data to try and find some solutions and to see if we can possibly just make a little bit of incremental change to make it better for everyone now as for
personal interactions with individuals who are legally system impacted.
I'm the former associate director for Just Dane, who will be recognized on November 22nd.
And in that position, I did have the opportunity of working directly with legally system impacted folks to try and change the trajectory of their lives.
Right.
Justine the supply jobs.
No.
Justine does not supply jobs, but they're direct people.
Yes.
They're kind of
that's what I thought.
Yes.
Yes, because we've we've dealt with that Organization before here on the show.
Yeah, they were a formerly Madison area urban ministry and they have some outstanding individuals who work there It was very bittersweet and it was very
unnerving for me to leave that position to take this position,
but I
felt that I can be more strategic in trying to change the system rather than more tactical while working at Just
Dance.
I wonder how frustrating it is.
I mean you have mentioned like maybe three or four or five different groups all working for the same ending, reform.
We want to get reform going.
What is the roadblock?
What is the one thing that we really need to consider as the roadblock to any kind of reform?
that you and Moses and everybody else, all these other organizations are striving to accomplish?
Well, we have different perspectives as to what constitutes reform.
For instance, one person's reform is another person's setback.
So what we have to try and do, at least this is my opinion, being on the Federal Defendant Services Board, for example, also the Madison Justice Team, Office of Justice Reform.
is we need to try and get consensus among the groups as to what particular issue we're going to pursue.
When you have numerous groups trying to incorporate divergent interests at the same time, it dilutes what it is you're trying to accomplish.
Whereas if
we could get everybody on the same page for just one, not five or six or seven, just one change that we would work on, I think we would be much, much more effective.
Well, what would be that one change or maybe a couple of issues that could be that one change?
What is your mind?
Well, I think that the one change that we could get accomplished if we all put our minds together in our interests and our activities is to work on the parole issue.
That to me is the biggest issue because approximately 36 percent of individuals.
who go to prison go back for parole violations.
So if we could somehow address that issue and that issue only, we would significantly reduce the number of individuals who are incarcerated.
Now there are a number of factors that go into this.
personal responsibility, um, the way that you view society, all these things go into that.
But I think that we could actually make some strides on working on just the parole issue.
So it's a parole violations, essentially trying to keep that down or eliminate that part of it, right?
Well, definitely to keep it down, but.
I don't think that we could actually eliminate it because then again personal responsibility if you're on parole and you engage in a tough
life and you know, anything can happen, right?
Well, it is no responsibilities where it's all
about.
Well, that's where it starts.
Yeah, it starts there.
And I think that as a group, as individual groups, we need to make that our mantra.
Let's first start with individual personal responsibility.
And then we work from there.
That's the foundation upon which we set.
any actions that we're going to try and engage in.
So keeping opportunities alive for those individuals that need this help, this reform?
Yes, well you want to have, there are opportunities and that's one of the things that I want to try and stress is that there is a misconception that there aren't opportunities.
Let me give you a quick example.
Your
reentry or your reintegration in society doesn't begin when you leave the prison gates.
It actually begins while you're in prison.
to take advantage of the opportunities that are there.
And there are significant opportunities for individuals who are incarcerated.
And that makes the transition so much easier.
However, there are a number of issues that sometimes get in the way of individuals taking advantage of those opportunities.
One of them is by people telling them that they don't have opportunity because it becomes easy to rationalize your behavior or to videate your situation because everyone's told you you can't do
it.
You know, so why should I try?
Right.
Wow.
That's neat.
Okay.
Well, um,
So the the celebration transformation celebration 2025 again, it's happening November 22nd at the Goodman Center here in Madison from 5 until 9 p.m If people want to find out more is there is there a way to do you have something online about this?
Absolutely, you can go to the Moses website That's Moses comm and you can punch it up and you can see the information there and you might see this ugly guy with a little bio Just ignore him
Yo, don't go crazy.
Come on,
man.
Well, you know, good luck at the celebration.
I'm sure that'll be quite the night.
And again, it's open to the public, right?
Yes, it is.
You can purchase your tickets now.
You can purchase them up until November 15.
OK.
We'd love to have you come down there just to meet some of the individuals who are change agents in our county and in our city.
They're going to be there.
And it's wonderful to connect on that interpersonal level.
to just sit back, eat some good food, listen to some good stories, and maybe just have some good companionship.
Sure, I know.
Who's your guest?
My guest is gonna be... No, right here.
Oh, the person sitting next to you is... Yeah, this young man over here.
This is Dante.
He is my grandson, who is now living with me, and he's been just perfect here.
He's been really
great.
Yes, he has.
Very well-behaved.
I'm sure he's amazed by what radio is like.
How old is
Dante?
Dante is nine years
old.
Excellent.
Well, he's your helper today.
That's great.
Yes, he is.
Sharon Buie, thank you for coming in.
Thank
you.
We appreciate it.
And again, we'll have some information on our Facebook page of the transformation celebration with the Moses organization November 22nd.
Again, at the Goodman Center here in Madison from five till nine p.m.
We appreciate your time today.
Thank you for coming in.
Thank
you for having me.
Thank you.
Very good.
All right.
Okay.
Let's get to.
Let's get to one of these stories here.
I think this is a little interesting You know it is the demand that Trump get two hundred and thirty million dollars in taxpayer money and Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin
Thank you for stopping by.
Brings the hammer down on Donald Trump by announcing an investigation to get the entire paper trail for his jaw-dropping corruption demand for $230 million in taxpayer money from the Justice Department.
You know, Jamie Raskins is not going to let this guy walk away with all this money without anybody knowing it.
The details are likely to remain confidential and that's the problem, allowing Trump to carry out this heist.
in partial secrecy anyway.
In other words, Trump could get his hands on the money and the American people wouldn't find out until some future date, at which point it would be too late to stop him.
Something tells me it's already too
late.
I
mean, come
on.
Nobody's
going to stop him.
We'll see.
OK.
It is 749.
We'll be back to wrap things up in just a moment on John and Gordy on WMDX.
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the morning 23 minutes past the hour 37 degrees highs today in the low to mid 50s gonna be a nice day Hey, let's go to the phone lines and old friend of ours is online right this morning on WM DX.
Good morning sly Good morning.
Congratulations
Well,
thank you.
Yeah, this is unbelievable, isn't it?
Two years.
Two years and radios like two decades.
It is.
Well, thank you very much.
It feels like two decades,
too.
Well, I just mean, you know, radius a little unsettled, right?
A little.
A little, yeah.
You know that, yeah.
I've been to the ringer.
Yes, several times, yes.
We were just talking about how far, how, you know, we knew each other way back in the early days of WM.
I remember Sly, you were doing overnights, I think, to start out there.
Very early on.
Yeah, I think that's when the mob owned it.
Pretty sure it was.
Mobbos were the
days.
And then at WIBFM, you were doing overnight, is that correct?
Before you took over, when
I was
fired, the big clearing house there.
Yeah, so that person kind of reminded me a little bit of...
Donald Trump little inside stuff there, but yeah, everything's good though You know the nice thing is is you can go to bed at night now in America and wake up in the morning to realize everything will be just fine
That the big government is looking out after
us now
they've kept our phones.
Yeah, why not?
You know what I saw it to your gas been canister being thrown at a
Presbyterian priest in Chicago.
Yeah.
That's what Thomas Jefferson wanted.
You know, you're right.
Yeah.
I think that's what the, you know, the mag is voted for, isn't it?
Wow.
But, you
know, actually, some of them probably did, but that's
true.
Yes, true.
But, you know, that guy that is heading up, you know, the reason not heading up ice in Chicago is so outrageous.
It's so out there.
Well, it got smacked him down pretty good the other
day.
Yes.
Oh, I know.
And well, she should have, but he got out of the, you know, the courtroom and then he's waving to the crowd from the door, from his open door
in his
vehicle.
Wow.
Fascists
will be fascists.
Yes, they will be.
You know what's weird though?
Trump is obviously very unpopular, but why would someone like John Fetterman or Bill Maher for that matter?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Hop on the bus when it's going off a cliff.
Right.
Yeah,
I don't get that.
I don't understand that at all.
Oh, I know.
Bill Marr just went off the rails a couple of weeks ago and I can't listen to him anymore.
I won't listen to him anymore because he's gone.
He wanted Zoran Mamdani to renounce his Ugandan citizenship.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's crazy times.
What have you been up to?
We should have asked
Elon to do that for South African
citizenship.
Right.
Well, I got to speak at one of the No Kings rallies, the one in Monroe, and it was it was just, uh, it was so great to speak to people and see so many people in small towns show up.
You know, to me, you know, Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, that's all great.
But when you have people showing up in places like Baraboo and so, I think that's what's important.
By
the way, I watch your speech in Monroe.
So yeah, it was great.
It was
really good to see.
Yes.
Yes.
You heard me say that the Trump crowd are.
low rent traders yes i believe is what i call it yeah
i had goosebumps when you said it
so that's good stuff
yeah inspiring it really was
well they are yeah they are did you ever think you'd wake up and see half the white house gone
I thought that was a possibility.
Right.
The thing is, he didn't even have a building permit to do any of this, which is truly astonishing.
He just went ahead and did it.
He just went and did it.
They have Ralph and Malcolm and Roe from Green Acres doing the edition.
Wow, okay, that's great.
Oh yeah, Green Acres reference, I love
them.
I love the reference to 30 something crowds going to have no idea what we're talking about.
But they should actually watch Green Acres sometime, the original Green
Acres.
Whoever wrote that show, I mean, it's kind of what we're living through right now.
A little Stephen King mixed in with it, but we're kind of living green
makers.
Oh, yes.
Oh, wow.
Find that now.
You know, we would love to have on the show more often than just once every
two years.
Yeah, I'm glad to do it.
We talked about that at a funeral.
That's how I see people.
No, we'd love to have you back any
time.
Yeah.
All right.
I just wanted to congratulate you and keep up the keep up the good
work.
All right.
Thanks.
Appreciate it.
Sly.
Have a good
morning.
It was great
hearing that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ah, yeah.
We miss
them on the air, actually.
Well, I know.
Yeah, we should have them on regular basis.
So let's work on that.
Yeah, we go so far back with Sly over the years, decades.
Yeah, amazing stuff.
OK.
Just we did talk last year at a funeral for
one of our radio friends to pass away.
Was that a Jim Macaws?
No.
Oh, it was.
Oh, I'm sorry.
He was a voice of WIPA for so many years.
Sly, yes.
We'll have him back again.
All right, 29 past the hour.
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