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It's John and Gordy, serving up fresh talk every morning with that signature Madison flavor.
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You know it.
WMDX, I forgot the lyrics.
Arthur, I don't know.
92.7, this is John and Gordy in the morning.
Gordy is still out and Catherine Lake is filling in this morning and doing a fantastic job so far, making sure that I'm doing everything right.
I'm already bossing everybody around.
It's my default mode, isn't it, Dominic?
Yeah, Dom, give us a countdown.
I'm just saying, it's an idea.
It's what we do.
You don't have to always.
Thanks for letting me be here.
I know that Gordy is having fun ice fishing in Portland right now.
And I think he actually is going to head back to Chicago today to take care of some business, you know, protesting.
It's a good circuit to make at this point.
Oh my gosh, you were wearing your Cubs hat
this morning.
Oh, I didn't even notice.
I just grabbed the first thing on your way out the door.
I get it.
Cubs, Cubs, Cubs, Cubs, Cubs, Cubs,
Cubs.
My wife Ann has the same hat and we watched the game yesterday on a TV.
You did.
She was driving me a little bit crazy only because she's watching the broadcast, but she's trying to listen to the guys on the radio, because she won't listen to anybody else but the guys
on
the radio.
And the timing would be off every once in a while because of the commercial breaks.
Actually, I don't know why that would be, but
anyway.
Technology.
It's like the TV showing me one game.
And I'm listening to another game, basically.
Being reacted to.
Could you just sync this up a little bit?
Really?
Seriously?
I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Just sync it up.
Your ADD was overacting in your poor little ring.
Exactly.
I cannot do both.
Well, you know, I'm at the dining room table.
We can watch the TV from the dining room.
And I'm preparing the show.
I'm making edits.
Collecting soundbites.
I'm working and I'm
listening to that and then she's got the radio full blast always and Then the TV is out of sync and I'm like, you know, I can only be distracted so much and I'm easily distracted and she was driving me crazy with this thing But you know, it was a good win.
I kept telling her that This is all just
A game.
The
8th inning.
The 8th inning.
The 8th inning.
It's a scam.
This whole baseball thing, you know, they plan this thing out.
First take a lead, and then all of a sudden,
oh,
the Cubs win.
I want a big surprise.
Keep the series going.
You think someone's taking a dive?
All the advertisers.
Yeah, I'm thinking.
Oh my goodness.
It
adds to the intensity, John.
It adds to the build up of, you know, maybe they're going to go all the way.
It's going
to
be a close game, close series.
You're enabling him in his paranoia.
No, it's just the...
and the Brewers are that close in capabilities.
Isn't that what it is?
Well, you can say that.
But I will say this and hand it to Anne for being completely honest about it.
She
thinks that the Brewers are more talented, a better team.
This year.
I think she's probably in my totally layman's eyes.
I think she's probably right.
Everything I'm seeing and heard.
On paper, they're the best team in baseball.
On
paper.
On paper.
Yeah.
Wow,
okay.
Mr. Baseballer.
Mr.
Baseballer.
You know what I listened to while I was getting up at four crack of my butt, 30 in the morning, can't believe, don't miss these hours at all.
I was listening to WGN.
And they air WGN TV over nights instead of, yeah, they got rid of that.
That's a cool idea.
Yeah, it's all right, it works.
It's the B team, you know, it's the early morning, overnight team.
Well, you
got the scoop on what's going on in Chicago then, I would assume.
Yes, I was a lot of that, but part of what I was listening for was, you know, a few years before I left there to come back here, we were purchased by Nextstar.
They were purchased by Nextstar, the largest television affiliate company, largest number.
up there with Sinclair.
Not a big fan of them.
Yep.
They're in the news lately, aren't they?
Yes, they have been.
And so I was curious to hear whether or not the television station, because I think the radio station was already towing the line of not being overly critical.
It's not a liberal progressive radio station.
It's the it's the father of Chicago, you know, and it's where everyone goes for their information.
Period.
Yeah.
And so I was wondering if if the next start.
television station, WGN had fallen prey to any of Next Star's things.
And I thought, oh, I haven't heard Trump yet, haven't heard Trump yet.
And then finally it started to come in.
The stories about what was going on there with the National Guard.
And I thought, okay, they're being fair.
But you're going to talk to Steve Cochran, formerly of WGN Radio on Monday.
Oh,
yeah.
I think Dom said you've got him booked for Monday.
So that might be an interesting conversation.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, I want to find out more.
I want the inside scoop and Steve is down there,
right?
He's still in Chicago.
He's not on the air, of course, because they didn't like that he was talking about Trump so much.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I would have a big problem with that.
You know, we talk about him all the time, sadly.
Uh, you know, this whole thing in Chicago is unwinding in a very uncomfortable way for, I think the entire nation, at least I think the entire nation should be on the edge of their chair with what's going on in Chicago.
Oddly, isn't it?
Uh, geez.
I mean, this takes me back to the sixties, you know,
serious.
Um,
Charlie was there with me last night.
We took some photos and got some audio stories about it.
You'll hear about the, uh, hands off Chicago.
We had one here last night in Madison and one of the signs said we love our fibs and that's fair But they just want to make sure we they know they know we've got your back.
Yeah.
Oh, definitely definitely But and this isn't really talked about very much and I'm a little surprised I brought it up.
Maybe just a few times myself not enough, but I think
The president has a paranoia problem.
It's a mental disorder of some sort.
No one talks about this, but he is so paranoid about everything, and he's been that way for years, and we just go along with it.
We think, well, let's just...
Trump being Trump.
We never really think about it, but it's it's a serious serious problem now because he thinks everybody's out to get him He thinks all the cities are burning down and and being destroyed by Liberal mayors and the governors.
It's crazy talk.
I mean, this is truly crazy talk now Malcolm Nance has made a few appearances and Stephanie Miller show and he's a great guest on that show
But while back, he wanted to give us a few talking points and refer to Donald Trump as Mad King Donald.
And he hasn't used that since.
He's like me.
And I come up with these great nicknames.
I just said, I can't do nicknames.
I can't call people names.
But anyway, he came up with that.
And I thought, that's a great name.
And I was going to use it.
And
I
didn't use it either, like him.
But it's true.
He's a madman.
We have to start at least dealing with that.
He's seeing things that aren't there.
He's seeing fires and cars burning and protesters that are out of control.
He's seeing all this stuff that does not exist.
I saw a little clip of Christine Normand, a building top, I believe, in Chicago, and she was
Scanning the area, you know you could and the cameraman was there scanning
the
area with her You know and and and and we're looking down and we're looking down at this madness in Chicago and there's flowers There's three or four people trees in a million around people walking
with their
dogs There's nothing going on and is this the one where the guy was dressed in some kind of costume?
Yeah,
and and I'm just thinking there is nothing there and she's scanning though
She's taking control.
This is insane.
Well, I got to push back on you.
Slow down now.
So you're saying all this is Donald Trump's vision.
He's seeing, he's saying.
He's paranoid.
He believes he's paranoid.
You're basing that on what he says.
But what is he being told?
What is he being shown?
You know what I mean?
He's not going to Chicago and looking at burning cars.
That's not happening.
He's being told, right?
So it's.
Project 2025.
I'm almost ready to let Donald Trump off some of the hooks
to
remind us that he is just a
Well,
no, we've said that he really is just kind of the puppet in front of all of us and he knows how to fill the space and just talk about nothing really in specific But you know and then he goes after everybody he hates
and
that's his full-time job while everything is being run behind him right through Russell vote who is taking controls of everything he has the purse strings he has a
He knows Project 2025 inside out.
And they are doing the whole thing.
And you know, the insurrection act.
Everything that's going on right now is an insurrection.
They're wearing the word out.
Everything is an insurrection, not just to wear the word out because of January 6 insurrection.
They're trying to, you know, defang that completely.
But they also want to do something with the insurrection act.
Well said.
They're trying to defang it because that's really well said.
Yeah, so then they're going to go and they're going to go and occupy all these cities and states.
They are actually going to do this.
Maybe we just don't want to admit that as people who are on the left, but it's a reality.
I called it initially that he was a dictator.
Once you're a dictator, you are a dictator.
There's no going back.
There's no halfway.
No matter
how far you are into the dictatorship, all the things he wants to do, initially, that's the dictator.
And then he starts down that road.
And I called it.
But I really think this time, he is pitting.
Cities against cities.
States against states.
This is a civil war.
We are going to experience a civil war.
in this country.
And a whole bunch of states are going to be involved in this.
And it's going to be truly ugly.
And I really wanted to avoid something like this, you know, as John Peterson, who has control over the entire
United States.
I wish this wasn't happening.
And, you know, we talked about this yesterday, Catherine, that I want to keep our sons and daughters out of harm's way on all of this.
And that's my motivation.
I can't stand seeing this happen again.
Gordy and I are, you know, went through this whole thing in the 60s and 70s.
It was a nightmare, truly a nightmare.
It was tense.
Was there a split country then?
Like this?
No.
No, there wasn't.
Not quite like this.
No.
Well, no, the president didn't take these kinds of actions close.
You know, they didn't call the National Guard out.
Few students were shot, definitely.
But it wasn't like this.
It wasn't a takeover of cities who were named liberal cities controlled by liberal mayors and liberal governors.
It wasn't like that.
This is purely
political.
John Peterson.
Blood pressure.
I feel
you.
Okay.
All right.
I just had to get done.
I get you.
All right.
This is WMDX.
I'm John Peterson, Katherine Lake, filling in for Gordy this morning.
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WMDX, 92.7.
It's John and Gordon in the morning.
Don at the controls.
Catherine Lake is our special guest this morning.
We've got Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils coming up in just a few moments here on the show.
And then it's Jim Santel, Amicus Law Review, and we'll see what's going on in the courts at about 7.35.
Yeah, we're
getting texts right now and I want to say hi to Mark.
in Prairie to Sack, who said, Deranged, Demented, Diluted, Donald.
Good name, I like that.
He also said when Franco brought back King Juan Carlos, he was still a dictator, like you were talking about earlier.
And Gordie Young from Chicago, because he's there protesting.
He has a nerve to text him that I'm not doing my damn job.
Swilling in for him because I should be doing time checks and weather and things.
Sitting in awe of you instead of doing my job.
Sorry, Guardi.
Go to sleep, would you?
Geez Louise.
It's 43 degrees currently in Madison.
We're expecting beautiful weather today, up to 67.
Beautiful fall weather.
It is a fantastic
weather.
The rest of the week looking really nice too.
71 tomorrow, Saturday 66.
Clear skies on Saturday, Sunday 68.
And no rain expected, probably till middle of next week.
Yeah.
Nice.
43 right now in Madison.
Just beautiful.
It's fantastic.
You know, it was such a nice day yesterday that I managed to reattach the rearview mirror on our Highlander.
It fell off.
It fell off or?
You know, it's inside the car.
And, you know, the rear-view mirror fell off.
It came unglued off the windshield.
I
find it really weird that they glue these
things on.
But it could.
Yeah, first of all, yeah.
But that it could also unglued.
Yeah.
Well, it just fell off.
The heat or something like that.
I don't know why.
I mean, this was like
maybe... I'm crying foul, aren't you?
Come
on.
I feel
like there's always something with your cars.
There's always something.
Well, this
happened like...
Two months ago, we don't use the Highlander very often.
It's 2006, but it's gorgeous.
I mean, it's really well taken care of.
Six miles to the gallon.
No, it's a hybrid too.
We get about 22 miles.
That's
not great.
Let me tell
you.
But the mirror came off and everybody's been bothering me to put it back on.
And before it gets too cold, before the surface area doesn't take the epoxy very well, I had to put it on and I did.
I managed to get it on, although it was a little crooked.
You know, it's, it's just a little piece of steel that you glue onto the windshield.
And then,
and then the mirror slides over, over it and attaches that way.
Now, you know, it's an adjustable mirror.
So that doesn't matter whether the base of it is a little
skew or
not.
But it looks awesome.
I'm sure.
Well, I, you know, I did it right this time.
Now this is the second time I'm doing
it.
And it's, it's one of those things where sometimes it does.
break off again and that's
fine.
That's fine.
Just gives me something else to do besides putting in my charging station as well, which by the way is next week.
Really?
Yes, next week Tuesday.
Doesn't time fly when you're waiting for things to happen?
I know and they're putting speed bumps in front of my house on Monday.
Because
they heard me talking about how much I hate speed bumps.
Well, he also heard you talking about how much you like to speed.
Yeah.
They want to slow your butt down.
Fair enough.
You know
what, maybe that.
Maybe that's what happened,
you know, and can I ask you a question if I don't know what you have on the agenda I'm just gonna take over here Squirrels squirrels.
They're suicidal around here.
I have never seen so many squirrels diving for my tires as I have this year in Madison
Diving for your tires.
Yes at home with no on the streets leading to and from my home with with not in mouth They all like wait on the side of the road.
Here she comes.
Let's try now.
Oh, no,
and I'm slamming on the brakes now, of course
I obey the 25.
Now, nay, 20 mile an hour speed limits in my neighborhood.
Why do you do that?
Are you just doing it to irritate people?
To avoid squirrels.
There are so many dead squirrels on the road.
As many deer as there are on 94.
There are squirrels on the streets of Mexico.
I feel bad for them, you know?
As much as I hate the damn squirrels and as much I know that my dog hates the damn squirrels.
Hates or loves?
power hates them
and wants
them all out of our yard.
So he's chasing, she's
chasing them.
Yeah.
Up and out, up the tree, over you go.
Mostly, and a lot of times she imagines that they're up in the trees.
You know, and they love, you know, jumping from one tree to the next and she follows them.
trying to hurt them from the
branches.
And I keep telling her, you can't climb the trees.
She's like, you know,
up on the trees.
Almost there.
Almost there.
Can't hug it and climb it.
Maybe that's the next thing for border collies.
They learn quickly for this border collie.
Are they allowed at the farmers markets and the, um, no, not the farmers market, the night market.
They are, right?
I don't know.
You got to bring power to the night market next time.
Yeah.
I want to meet her.
Wow.
That's
a lot to ask.
I know.
That sounds like a big request.
Big request.
A big ask here.
Has
she been
downtown?
Ann would have to handle that one.
Has the dog been downtown?
No.
Has the dog been off your property?
No.
That's the real question.
The thing is she is very excitable.
Yes.
And she'll try to hurt the entire city.
When there are a lot of
people around, she can't handle the excitement.
And if there are other dogs around, she can't handle having other dogs around.
She's, she just gets overexcited.
We need some CBD for this pop.
I think that's what's going to happen.
Actually, we have that.
You do.
Yes, we do.
Does it work?
It gets her to sleep.
It does.
Well, we don't put her to sleep necessarily,
but
we calm her down.
Oh, geez.
Why don't you
pick some CBD out?
care for the squirrels there, Catherine.
Here,
here, here, it's better than the nuts.
Yeah,
we could do that.
Sure.
It's chewy.
Mm hmm.
All right.
Okay.
Well, you
know what else you want to talk
about?
Sunrise is at 704.
And sunset tonight is at 624.
All right.
All right.
629 right now.
All right.
Well, this is John and Gordy with Catherine Lake, our guest.
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free country.
WMDX 92.7, it's John and Gordy and Katherine Lake, filling in for Gordy this morning.
Dom at the controls.
We've got so much to get to.
Oh my
gosh.
Just a moment, Tim Slacker from Busted Pencils.
But first, Gordy is
out there.
Still running the show.
Reminding
you how to.
Unbelievable.
Still.
How to
do his
part.
Go to sleep.
You're in Chicago.
Go to protest.
I get it.
So go protest, but he's
saying.
There's
a phone number.
The phone number, help me out
Dominic.
6-0-8.
6-8-8.
6-8-8?
No, no.
6-8-8?
6-8-8.
That's what
it is.
9-0-8.
9-0-8.
That's not our phone number.
That is absolutely not our phone number.
That's probably the phone number to get to you in the studio or something.
That is not what Gordy says.
Something eight seven nine talkers.
You guys are looking at me.
I know like I asked people What's the phone number somebody knows it Anyway, he said we're supposed to tell the time.
Oh, that's right.
Okay, so the time is 6 36 and what was that temperature?
Oh, yeah, it's 43 degrees I did the weather.
I
want to talk about Don
Yeah.
Don Collogan, Wild Rose.
He
says,
Catherine Lake, Morning DJ, Soothing Female Intelligence.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm going to stop talking now.
Thanks,
Don.
Thanks,
Don.
Now
she's frozen.
Frozen up.
All right.
We got to get, uh, we got to continue the show here as much as Gordy would like to help us and do the show for us from his home.
Uh.
You know, show up next time.
From his tent in Chicago's Grant Park.
Yes.
We've got Tim Slacker here from Busted Pencils.
Welcome.
Yeah,
man.
Dr. Tim.
special, you know, Catherine here.
I mean, you know, here's a there is no morning Thursday appearance of Tim Slicker on the John and Gordy show without Catherine Lake.
No, that's true.
No, I mean, I'm serious.
She is the person who actually saw something in busted pencils
and was
like, I need you guys to do more with civic media.
And so there I am so happy to see Catherine here because there is no busted pencils without Catherine Lake.
Well, there's no busted pencils without Tim and Johnny, of course, to Johnny Lupinacci, your partner in
crime.
And you guys are not just, you know, advocates for teachers.
You are teachers and you teach teachers.
You're a doctor of education.
They're going to
say.
They've got a slogan.
They do.
Yeah.
What is
it?
We're educated educators talking education.
I just love that.
I
just love when you guys say that.
Well, you know, you're talking to some big book publishers here now, Tim.
Oh,
for God's sake.
Keep that under wraps for a little bit.
You know, we'll bring that out.
You were saying, I mean, yeah, great show yesterday that dropped.
Yes, absolutely.
Mike Bigley, Western Rural Wisconsin, the group Lift Offs.
We have had
a few representatives from them um on the show uh talking different times and what they're doing in rural wisconsin is just something that every public school should be looking at because um this is one of those places where they say well that would never happen here uh you know rural schools underfunded all of the you know rural schools you know well actually you know might be in
in the market for, you know, a book on writing cursive or something like
that.
But we get back to that.
I mean,
they're fully engaged with AI, working with Ashley Furniture up there.
You know, looking at apprenticeships and really digging deep into the student engagement issue.
And they've done something remarkable, which is...
we're going to break down the structures of traditional schooling, which we all know everybody points out and says, you know, I wish school wasn't so darn boring.
Why do we sit in rows?
Why do we do?
And Mike Bigley and his team at liftoffs, they're pushing the boundaries on that.
And though I think what you were
John concerned about though.
He recently was in China.
Yes as a guest of Ashley furniture to see what's happening there and Boy, there's a lot happening in China.
They're
really they're way beyond the US at this point.
Oh boy Just shocking stuff 700,000 smart robotic
companies are in China.
700,000.
The US, according to Mike Bigley, 600.
What?
Smart robotic companies.
They have 700,000.
And guess what?
They're training their children.
Okay, so come on.
Dr. Tim, help
me
out.
Is this a...
Well, I mean, so Michael pointed out, you know, a lot of startups and things like that.
But what he was saying is that the push forward on, you know, kind of saying like wanting to...
Somehow claim the future is that you know China is is all in and we hear a lot about this and we're really talking about yeah, you know robotics artificial intelligence the the need for America to not lose the AI Challenge that we're up against.
I don't want to use the word war.
I hate that word Yeah, you know, but Mike makes us go well
Crap.
We may have already lost.
Yeah.
Well, you know, the
interesting thing that Mike brought up, I think, was the different aspects of the use of AI.
You know, we always, you know, we talk about it in the classroom or we talk about, you know, making stuff up or, you know, books and book covers and in our websites.
But there are all these other different angles to use AI for.
And he brought all of that up.
And it was just, you know, amazing that we're kind of focusing
Our focus is very small at this point in this country, but in China it is expanded dramatically, right?
It's expanded dramatically and you know people are saying it so he went to see a bunch of businesses.
What's that have to do with education?
What you just pointed out though John is is that all of those different uses that are being explored there to
that starting in China's education system, though, too, is embedding that knowledge for a diversified workforce within AI, looking at that.
And so realizing what implications would that then have on schooling is to realize that the...
Total you know like what do you want to say plethora of different ways?
AI is in business in industry and in ways We don't even know yet the way it's going to be deployed that commitment to entrepreneurship and creativity Which a lot of people go China?
Entrepreneurship and creativity.
I thought they were communists
Well,
they do, they do tend
to, they
are,
they do
tend to rob us a little bit
of our
creativity.
Yeah.
But they're, but they are really, really capitalist.
Yeah,
it's an interesting communism.
It is.
It is a very strange one, isn't
it?
It was just amazing too that we're kind of limited here in this country.
One of the points was that they use open source programming instead of locked in certain specific programs that we use in our schools.
They have open source programming, which means you can share it with anybody.
We should talk to our CEO about that.
Sage Weil, who owns Civic Media, is an open source kind of guy.
As far as I did, my research on him when I first was applying for this job,
that
was one of the things that he was passionate about, I believe.
I'm putting
words
totally in his mouth.
But open source is a good thing,
is
it not?
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
That's where, yeah, Sage being on would be great because my, what
My limited understanding from that standpoint, though, is that actually when we're talking about education and AI and those things that open source can create some problems with, you know, danger and data sharing and things like that, that we're trying to put in schools, you know, lots of guardrails around our kids.
And that's not a bad thing to be thinking about.
Oh, yeah, some
guardrails.
Yeah.
Yeah, and again, the data that goes out there, we see this.
So a school district makes a commitment with an AI provider or something like that.
The question is, so when a kid starts typing into a school portal that deals with AI, what's happening to that data that the kids are putting into that AI?
And some places will
give you, well, you know, it should be okay.
But I see more and more companies actually stepping up and saying, like, look, what we're going to do is you'll have access to AI, but it'll be with an enclosed type of guarded system that the data and the usage will stay kind of in this school district bubble.
Yeah.
you know and so I yeah is is that then limiting our students because they're not in an open source I you know good question yeah I think though what what what Mike and yeah I think the the statistics he brings back are are a bit frightening yeah but you know back to the the school issue is is that you know he's out there as a superintendent um of the school district you know in Wisconsin
and seeing the educational implications and really coming back and this is where you know hats off lots of awesomeness is to point out that they're going and bringing back to rural Wisconsin cutting edge not just the technology but cutting edge ways of educating the kids up there
That really pushes us in a direction that kind of says, wait, they've moved.
And we contrasted that.
We had interviewed the head of the Alpha School to our learning from Austin, Texas, and what they were doing for $40,000 a year tuition and wondering, why does it always have to be so much money for something like that?
Well, Mike Bigley and what they're doing up there is that at a public school system, they're kind of creating their own sense of alpha school, which is digging deep into engagement and using AI tools to actually move kids into those critical thinking areas and not spending inordinate wasteful time on lecturing kids about.
knowledge and actually giving them access to knowledge and putting them in critical thinking problem-solving situations and just blowing up the school day.
And that's why we really want to continue to focus a lot of the work that we're, you know, busted pencils, the liftoffs team because, you know, what a model, model for Wisconsin to be thinking about, you know, everybody's cutting edge, cutting edge, where's cutting edge happening?
Well, hey.
Right there, rural Wisconsin, season number four is the area.
Man.
you know and I put this out there for everybody on Civic Media all the hosts start bringing some of these people from liftoffs on to talk about what they're doing up there because it's great stuff.
It really does sound great and everybody should check yesterday's podcast and I big thumbs up to Ashley Furniture too for doing something like this with the community.
Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils is with us.
I'm Catherine Inwood.
John Peterson, but in for Gordy who is still in Chicago in a tent in Grant Park protesting.
That's
right.
Yes.
Yep.
He's glamping.
Yeah, he's glamping.
You stick around for a minute, Tim.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, we got it.
We got to definitely come back.
We've
got so
much more.
Okay.
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We're fighting man, we're trying to change that.
This is WMDX92.7.
You know, we're working on it here on the show, but every once in a while we do sound kind of stupid because we've got idiocracy.
All
the time.
But anyway, we're talking to Tim Slacker from Busted Pencils right now and we were also talking about liftoffs and Mike Bigley, who recently went to China, but he also had a great lesson for us as well.
And I think that is, and this is a great message for Gen Z, and that
is
learning.
They're actually teaching the passion of learning, but...
Re-learning is one of the big things they're focusing on as well, right?
Yeah, right.
Well, you know because it's like
Goal, you know, is preparation for jobs.
And so, you know, you typically say, what are the jobs then that kids are going to occupy and you prepare them for those jobs?
Well, you know, we've we've always known that, you know, when you're talking about a kindergartner who's 12 years away, maybe 15 to 18 years away from working, that was never really a good way.
Most of those jobs disappeared.
Well, now the reality is, is that, you know, the job
of today um truly are some of them are gone truly tomorrow um and so how does an education system prepare well you have to prepare people for a work positioning that is going to be constantly changing and with that then is a commitment to learning how to learn and john what you pointed out when mike says this commitment to relearning which really says hey guess what in the future uh the most
prepared people are going to be those ones who are capable of learning things again over and in new ways to be ready.
And so being adaptable and committed to realizing that, you know, the future is going to be exciting.
um unknown and the last thing you want to do is kind of get situated in the I know what I need to know now and I'm good
that's
like
the radio business for goodness sakes we're all digital now when we're all over the state we're relearning this right now as we speak
like Mike provided he said that everybody right now basically has 27 relearns that's the current rate
Right.
Right.
Seven now.
I don't know where they came up with the number, but that's a fantastic number.
But it's going to even get worse or bigger.
The number will get bigger in the future as well.
So, uh, yeah, it's kind
of
interesting.
I was thinking though, too.
I mean, you know, talking about re-learning and the implications.
Um, I mean, who knew?
Yes.
that the John and Gordy could become children's authors.
At this stage in our life.
And illustrators.
I mean, you must have relearned something.
That's right.
I was learning AI and it was, it was Gemini and I accidentally tripped into Gemini.
2.5, I think.
And it came up with a book.
Let's play a little piece of the John and Cordy.
Let's go back to Kershle's handbook.
You have a commercial?
Wow, you know, okay You know the biggest the best picture I think in that book was where he was writing the ease on
the
board Where it all connected it was just beautiful
It was just like like a wave of ease The black book okay, so I I think this is great because you know it
You say you stumbled into it,
right?
I did,
yeah.
But, you know, the ability to put together something like that and, you know, if somehow a few civic media could make a link to the book, it'd be funny because it's not bad.
you know what you guys are trying to do so you had a concept you had an idea talking about cursive writing and situating it and you know it wasn't like it was just a you had an idea an assistant
Yeah.
An assistant.
And you get to explore the potential of going, OK, what would happen?
And I think it's cool and fun that you did that.
AI needs a little help with their images and how they portray people.
John and Gordy look like, I don't know, actors from Hollywood and this thing.
Do you want to take one second to let Mark has called in?
It's been very patient sitting on the phone with us for at least 20 minutes.
Mark, you got a minute here.
How are
you?
thank you so much that uh... as it is for looking to china for innovation i mean china was innovating ideas centuries before the west was i mean i guess the self-cleaning plow was one of them
that's
right printing but looking to other nations is for for thought i mean hamilton in one of his federalist papers on the judiciary said this is before you knew what you know much about japan at all is that we could turn to japan for a judicial ideas for a supreme court to discuss i mean that
And the only problem, I hear you saying, critical thinking.
I wonder if we need to come up with another phrase for that, because otherwise we're going to freak out the mega, say, because that's not too close to critical race theory, because critical thinking.
There
you go.
Good thoughts, Mark.
Thank you so much for the call.
6-0-8-7-9.
Talk 8-2-5-5.
Yeah, we have a link to John and Gordy's Let's Go Back to Curse of Mistake that we made.
We jump on bandwagons every once in a while, and it's the wrong one.
Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils.
Hear them on Saturdays.
Thanks, Dr. Tim.
Hey, appreciate it.
And I'm going to go out and roll with my ease.
It's so easy, and it's
so cool.
All right, we'll talk to you later.
John
and
Gordy.
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