Like a fine wine aged to perfection, until the bottle shatters against the rocks of history, two ancient warriors of radio broadcasting take to the airwaves of Madison for anyone brave enough to listen to the unvarnished truth, or something like that.
It's John and Gordy in the morning on 92.7 WMDX.
I think the show needs a second coat of varnish.
You
think
so?
Yeah.
Why you say that?
You think we're unvarnished?
They said we were unvarnished.
No, it said that the unvarnished truth.
So
I
think we need another coat of varnish.
Gotcha.
Because apparently no one knows that we are slick and varnished.
Hey, what's going on?
I mean, this is like
another
kind of cloudy, misty kind of morning, not misty, but, you know, kind of foggy.
I don't know what it is.
What is
it out
there?
Humidity is high
again.
That's it.
It's the dew point.
Thick cuts of humidity.
Yeah, that's that's what it is.
It's awful out
there.
We've got partly cloudy skies.
69 degrees, according to the WMDX window thermometer.
Yeah, and what about your Samsung watch?
Oh, let's check it
early here.
Let's see.
I guess we could yeah and see what the Temperature is always on when the sunset will be tonight Currently
currently 70 degrees according to the Samsung official WM day
some
weather what and what about they after
high of 87
87 87 and
a
late tonight around 69 So if you're concerned, you know, that's something to be
Okay.
Do
we even want to get into the sunset at all or no?
Is it not even worth it at this
point?
I can promise you it's never gonna go over 841.
It's not gonna go over that.
Now it's a
downhill slide from here.
Okay.
Well let's check the bar dice.
Do you have the bar dice handy
or did we
lose though?
I
wish it wasn't so wimpy when we slam it down on the...
Well,
you know, Dom is stronger than he appears.
He don't know what that beats.
There's an eight and a five, so I think that's 85.
85 for a high.
Could get even warmer, mugger.
And we do expect some showers, maybe some thunderstorms along the way.
So we'll watch out for that.
So here it is Thursday.
A little bit later on, we'll talk to Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils all about education.
Well, yeah, I hope to get to a question I wanted to ask last week about why there are so many more liberals in the teaching business.
Really?
I want to get to that.
Just a quick question.
It may take another half hour.
But a quick question nevertheless.
And then, of course, we've got a few other questions.
pertaining to some of the podcasts that they have dropped over the week.
You can listen to the Busted Pencils podcast on your own, but I have a few questions from those shows, and we'll get to those and dissect what education is all about.
Well, you hold
on to those questions for a minute, my friend, because a little bit later on, we'll talk to Jim Santel.
and he'll straighten us out on what's happening with the Supreme Court.
It seems like their term should be coming to an end for the summer soon.
We keep talking about, but they've got so many cases.
I think they're open 24-7 now.
Just bring them in and
get them out.
The problem here is we are gonna talk to Jim Santel this morning.
But today is like the big day they released all the other decisions.
Is
that right?
So that
will happen after we talk to Jim Santel.
Well, he can give us a preview.
Maybe
we can get him on earlier in the week next week.
Maybe we can
create a new segment for him.
guy who can predict what the Supreme Court is going to say.
That
would be the
great
carnage of lawyers.
That's
a great idea.
Let's talk to him about that.
That'll blow his credibility.
Don, what's happening in your world?
You told me right before we started the show that you played pickleball
yesterday.
Yes, and
then you
told me right before the show.
you and John want to play pickleball as well.
I know.
We
do.
That is, uh, really?
That's what
Gordy said.
Yeah, me want to play pickleball.
Come on, man.
Get out once in a while, you know?
Move it around.
Uh, so it was somewhere in Middleton, right?
It was somewhere in Middleton.
I don't have the exact park, but it was right next to my apartment, played with my roommate, and it was just a fun time.
You know, the dew point was really dew-pointing yesterday, because I was getting sweaty, and it was just, it just...
Wasn't a good
doesn't take long to get sweaty outside.
Yeah, where are you live in Middleton?
I do live in Middleton.
Yes, I live it.
Yeah, I can't over by you there.
Hey, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So down by the gas station.
It
is down by the gas.
By that one gas.
Yeah, right up from the corner of the restaurant.
Okay.
Yeah.
Right off that street, right off that street.
That's good.
Good to know.
So do you know the rules of pickleball or were you just out there slamming it around just
for
fun?
Are there rules?
There is rules.
I don't know them real well.
We were kind of just going with the flow.
But we ended up playing a game all the way up to 21.
So it took us an hour, hour and a half.
Took us forever.
And at the end of it, yeah, you're shaking your head.
I don't even know why we did it.
Yeah, it was not worth
it.
You can always change
the final number.
Make up your own
rules.
Go up to seven and make
it a
more manageable game.
Easy day.
Pickleball.
I don't under, I'm just, I don't know what it is.
I don't know what pickleball is.
It's scary to me.
It's a cross of tennis and ping pong.
I mean, it's just, you know, it's an easy, it's a smaller court.
than tennis.
It's a wiffle ball instead of just like a tennis ball or something, a lighter ball.
I
have an allergic reaction to getting into fads.
It's a popular thing and I don't fall into popular things very well.
I just, you know, I rebel.
Okay.
That's
your
excuse.
That's my excuse.
You believe that?
Well, what did you guys do last night?
That's me.
What did you guys do last night?
Let's see.
What did I
do?
Boy.
I don't know.
You know if you get that
kind of response,
let's move on to the next topic Yeah, what's happening with our with our new game though, what's what's worse or what what is it called again?
You mean oh,
that's just kind of like what's worse, but we named it something else.
We totally didn't copy them at all.
Yeah No, we well.
No,
okay.
Would you rather do you have a
music for
this?
I do have some theme music.
I just completely cut out.
What happened there?
Sorry.
Okay.
All right, so first question.
All right.
Would you rather have to sleep for 15 hours a day or only be able to sleep two hours a night?
Well, that's an easy one for me because I only sleep two hours a night.
So that's what I do.
I could never sleep 15 hours 15 hours four hours there
15 minutes last night.
I think I got the same
What?
I'd rather sleep 15 hours at this point.
What would you rather do?
I would do 15 hours, yeah.
Gordy, you're on your own here.
Sleep your life away, man.
It's worth it.
Come on.
All right.
All right, second question.
Oh, there's more.
OK, there is more.
There's two more questions.
Yeah, we got a number of questions.
We got to keep it
going here.
I see.
That's why this is different.
OK.
Would you rather be an extreme heat but in a snowsuit or extreme cold but in a swimsuit?
Which one would you?
Which one?
Where do you come up with it?
Could you repeat that?
I'll repeat the question.
I'll repeat it slowly.
You drifted off to sleep after that last
question.
My attention span is just
so
long.
What's the question again?
So would you rather be an extreme heat but in a snow suit or an extreme cold in a swimsuit?
Cold like I don't like this.
Oh, you know, there's no good option.
I can't handle it.
You have to choose one if you have to do the snowsuit in the heat Yeah, okay, I would do the same too.
So our least word you know about that.
I would yeah, I think I would Like
a snowmobile suit,
you know,
yeah,
so you would rather wear a hot
Outfit
in the heat in the
heat
then a swimsuit and a swimsuit in the cold
But
you
haven't even
defined cold.
Well, you know,
I'm just thinking
a
chilled room of some sort
I would say like 20 degrees or below.
I'm
looking way too deep into this
guy Alright third and final question.
Yes, would you rather always have damp socks or always have a pebble in your shoe?
Why do you have damp socks?
Alright,
I'll go with the damp socks
since
I get my socks damp every morning playing with the border collie in the yard.
Yeah, I gotta
go along with that.
I couldn't take a pebble in the shoe.
All right, so this is where we're disagreeing.
I'm going pebble in the shoe.
Really?
I feel like I have a pebble in my shoe probably right now.
No kidding.
Damsox, I just can't do it.
My feet would smell bad.
I just wouldn't be able to do it.
So you
feel like you have a pebble in your shoe now?
I do feel like I have a pebble in my shoe.
All the time?
Yes, especially in that garage.
Whenever I walk out of my car in that garage, I always feel like I end up getting some pebbles in my
shoe.
But do you or is it just a feeling that you have?
Bad
shoes?
Because
you might have a...
problem with your
foot or your shoes no I not right now but I always I always end up once a week having a pebble at some point at some point.
Do you live in a gravel pit?
What's the matter with you?
Why would you get a pebble in your shoe?
Where do you find pebbles like that?
How low are your shoes?
My shoes are really low.
I have really low shoes.
We're tighter shoes or something.
I gotta buy some new pairs of shoes.
All right, we'll try to help you out with that.
That's today's edition of Would You Rather?
Brought to you by Dom Lee, our producer extraordinaire.
Came up with something very interesting.
Yes, that's good.
Coming up right around the corner, Sarah is going to be here with us from Wings Over Madison, actually.
Why don't we have her come in right now?
You know, Mark,
Mark, Mark Texas, he said, is Dom going to know the Karnak reference that I gave?
Really, do
you know what
Johnny Carson's Karnak was?
I don't.
Do you know who Johnny?
Johnny Carson.
I do know Johnny Carson, but I don't know what that reference means.
I'm too young.
I'm way too young.
We'll have to pull out some Johnny, some Karnak.
for you.
Karnak was a character that he created that would see into the future, and he would answer the questions before the questions were revealed.
Well, he would get an answer, and then he'd ask the question, I think.
So he's like Jim Santel.
Well, that's what
we want Jim Santel
to do.
We want him to do a Karnak
impression.
A professional lawyer.
He was in the entertainment business, though, before he became a actor.
Yeah.
Was he
really?
Yes.
He's done a lot of different things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I think he played a crime boss and, uh...
No, I'm just kidding.
No, but he did do some acting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's 18 minutes past the hour.
If you'd like to chime in with anything, you can give us a call.
608-879-8255 is our number.
608-879-TALK.
Of course, you can always get ahold of us on the Civic.
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You can go on the app, select WMDX, and then on that app, we do get voice notes now.
Voice notes are new popular thing.
We have a
sample of one of the voice
notes handy there.
Did we have one?
I don't think we got any new ones, so let's just skip past this one.
No, we definitely have one.
Let me at least see if I can find something.
I don't know if we should even try it.
We're really late.
Let's just stick to Jordy.
Tell that
John Peterson fella, he ought to.
remind his own damn business and shut his piehole once and for all.
See, that guy seems to be on.
He seems
to
know what
he's talking about.
I
think
so.
All right, 19 minutes past the hour.
When we return, we'll talk to Sarah from Wings over Madison.
They're reopening here.
Yes.
And we'll find out about that.
And I think she brought some pre samples.
Really?
Really?
Yeah, Wings.
First thing in the morning.
Why not?
I love that.
John and Gordy in the morning.
Stay with us.
Hey,
everybody!
Come on, come on!
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You know, a vote for John and Gordy as best radio team in Madison.
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Come on, come on.
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Yeah, he's
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Chris
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He's been taking care of our teeth for years, decades.
Yes, that's dentist.
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And we're going to be doing some pizza parties coming up this summer with Sugar River Pizza.
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as Catherine wonders now.
Um, Dom, do you live in a gravel pit?
Is
that because you
have.
Yes.
Yeah.
And that answer is
yes.
I do.
I
do.
All right.
Well, so now you guys know how to find me.
All right.
You have a band down there.
Well, don't shoot any dogs while you're down there.
Oh man.
Okay.
Let's go.
Let's move on.
24 minutes past the hour.
And Sarah joins us from Wings over Madison.
Hi, Sarah.
Hi.
Thanks for
coming in this morning.
Good morning.
Thanks for having me.
I always
like the name of the place because it's Wings over.
And then you just add the city or the location, right?
Yeah.
OK.
Are you all
set up
there?
Yeah, okay.
So Sarah, you just reopened on Tuesday?
We did on Tuesday.
Okay.
Why were you, you were closed for a little while.
Yeah, yeah.
So we heard a Madison.
We let you down.
The wings weren't crispy.
The tenders weren't juicy.
We were inconsistent.
And so our flavor was unforgettable.
Yeah.
And so we believe that Madison deserves better.
And we closed our doors, we retrained, we really built, and quite honestly, we obsessed over every single detail.
Great, and now you're reopened.
We are reopened and so happy.
The different ways to prepare what you have, the wings and the tenders, all redone, reformulated the way you cook and prepare them and then present them and the amount of time from the cook.
to the table, right?
Yeah.
So retraining on all recipes.
Yeah.
And making sure our team is up to speed, consistency, consistency.
And you're located near UW Hospital, right?
Yeah.
On
University Avenue?
2739.
Okay.
Right across from the VA Hospital and Children's.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's a convenient location.
Yeah, totally.
Easy to get to.
And it's not so much...
um, saving the business, but it's saving something that Madison has loved and we love.
We love.
Yeah.
We love wings here.
And, uh, this is, uh, well, this is kind of an interesting, you know, a business to admit something like this in a closed down reformulate, because maybe it wasn't as popular because you didn't get the exact recipe the way people like.
Wings in this town prepared and chicken tenders as well.
And it's you know, there's staple food here in town anyway So, you know, it's great to have a reformulation.
So what do you think that you've changed in this way?
You know as far as like, you know breading or or sauces What do you what what what took place?
So it's really just retraining on the recipe.
Okay, and we really want to gain trust back
so much that we're giving away chicken for five days.
So, yes.
So, at open on the 24th through the 29th, listeners and the community Badger Country can get a three tender pack or a six boneless pack.
And a pack includes, stay with me guys.
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Ranch, I'm definitely
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I kind of like the blue cheese as a dip, but also do you have the hot sauces?
So yes, so spicy, tangy, savory.
I
like anything with lime in it, so.
That's where I'm at.
Okay.
So we have a limited time offer flavor right now called chili lime.
It's a dry rub.
Yes.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Dry rubs.
I love dry rubs.
Right.
So our offer, um, you can get one per day,
one
per day, right?
And the hardest, uh, the hardest decision is which flavor.
Yeah.
Uh, you do have to make a small purchase.
So any purchase.
So buy a drink and get your whole entire meal for free.
Wow.
Uh, yeah.
One per day until the 29th.
The
29th.
Yes.
Three more days
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Yeah.
So order online on the website.
The promo code is mad pack 25 mad pack 25.
And what's the website?
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That's it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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All right.
And
is this for delivery
to go?
It's to go.
Absolutely.
You can dine in as well.
Okay.
All
right.
And okay, we're out of time here, Sarah, but thanks for coming in.
And we appreciate you bringing, I see you brought some wings here.
I did, boneless
wings.
And we'll have to get to those
during the commercial breaks.
We'll break into those.
But you know, good luck with the reopening.
Yeah.
And we appreciate you stopping by.
This
smells so fantastic.
So we're gonna have to try it out and let you know what we think.
Okay.
Yes, please.
So
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And you can take it from there.
MadPak.
What was it?
MadPak 25.
25.
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All right.
That's a easy way to do it.
Sarah, thanks for coming in.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate
you.
And good luck with the reopening.
Thanks so
much.
I'm going to have my Gen Z kids call in and order some.
All right.
Definitely.
Yes.
I know they'll love it.
All right.
29 minutes past the hour.
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Time once again for Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils and so many things to talk about from your podcast that I listened to last night and I was just fascinated by the subject matter.
But let's go back to last Thursday when we're talking about the balance of liberal
or conservative teachers and colleges and in schools.
And my question has always been, and this is like maybe five or six decades old, this question, what happens when you have more liberals in all of these schools?
I
mean, is it a natural thing that a more liberal person would go into teaching, wanting to educate the future of our country?
Or is it I'm not quite sure what what makes it out of balance.
Why do we have more liberal teachers in the profession?
Well, you're going to ask that question now.
Yeah.
Okay.
You know, breaking news here.
Yeah.
All right.
So there there's a long.
deep dark secret plot that has been orchestrated over the years to install liberal Marxist socialists.
in positions to influence the youth of America to get them to become communists.
So it's been true all along here.
Yeah,
yeah.
So you just were the first one, John, to finally ask the question directly.
And here we are now.
So now it's fully out in the open.
The
evil
plot the evil plot has been revealed and now we know that you know, yes, there's been the deep state has been at it for years making sure that liberals dominate the Teaching profession to make sure that the influence of deep dark socialist communists and and and you can see how successful I
was gonna say how
successful has that been
Yeah, I mean, you can see that,
you
know, living under an incredibly hardcore capitalist society, we
haven't been that good at it, have we?
No, we haven't really been good.
Not in a successful propaganda program, indoctrination has not worked after all.
Man!
You know what, though?
I don't know the answer to that question.
Yeah.
A part of me that does say there's something about the nature of people who go into some form of like a helping profession.
That's what I'm thinking.
Right.
Yeah.
You
know, that just is to say, you know, liberals are
We're just better helpers.
Yes.
You know, I mean, there's a sense of that.
And so it's like, is it is it political ideology?
Or is it just the reality that they're just better human beings?
Well, I can answer that specifically.
Yes.
But, you know, there have been very good conservative instructors out there as well.
We've had a few in the state that have been participating in politics as well.
And they're very fair.
So I do want to say that there are some out there like that.
But I do, my impression was always that there was an empathy.
There was a...
a drive to help other people out.
And that's why they went into teaching.
It was a dedicated profession as well.
And I think a lot of politicians at some point took advantage of their dedication by not helping education enough or paying teachers enough.
And they just knew that the teachers would show up anyway or donate most of their time, their private time to help their students out.
So I think, you know, it's one of those professions where they've been taken advantage of and not paid what they should have been paid all along.
have a dedication to it and I think conservatives know that and they took advantage of that particular quality in an individual.
But you made a great point though too it's like okay you know there are great conservative teachers and maybe that's the problem is trying to say that you know teachers are you know there's there's so many of them are just liberal and or Democrats and and you know
And how about it's just actually it's not a good conservative teacher.
It's not a good liberal teacher.
Good teachers, you know, actually are, you know, in one way, undefinable.
Maybe it just so happens that more cut across quote, you know, party lines for some reason that, you know, more Democrats or teachers, but
When you say, you know, hey, I know some really good conservative teachers, I would say that maybe our problem is, is that, you know, let's just talk about what are good teachers.
Because I say the same thing.
I know some, quote, Republican teachers who are really good.
You know, and what is it?
It's they care.
they care a lot.
That's it.
You know, and so they might just have a bit of a different of a political ideologies.
But John, I think you're right, though, it's very easy, though, to take that, you know, statistical demographic that says, Oh, my God, you know, 82% of teachers in the state of, you know, Wisconsin are registered Democrats.
Therefore, that means
that, you know, it's infested by liberal indoctrinators.
Exactly.
It's a plot.
Yeah, it's a plot as opposed to saying, no, it's just a fact of demographic kind of population that says, you know, more teachers are Democrats.
It doesn't mean anything.
Therefore, nothing.
It
just is.
Therefore, there are more Democratic teachers.
That's it.
And I think there's also a possibility that, you know, being conservative, you're more capitalistic.
And you don't make the kind of money that you could make in the private sector, as opposed to in the public sector, as an instructor, as a teacher.
Yeah.
Oh,
well, I didn't go over well.
All right, let's move on to the
next
bunch of questions, because now, in fact, this is a perfect tie-in.
We were talking about DEI.
You were talking about it in your podcast.
And
the
fact that you have
Students that may respond in a very conservative way to an assignment that you give them and how do you respond to that if in fact that.
Particular response in an assignment is contrary to you know fact.
Yeah.
Well, so this is, you know, we brought this up because, you know, this is a real case in the University of Florida system.
This was documented in the New York Times.
A second year law student wrote a paper and won an award for laying out
an originalist argument to the Constitution that said, you know, hey, the reality is, is that only white people should be voting.
And sorry, that that's just what the original founders wanted.
And he wasn't arguing, you know, from the standpoint of going, you know, this is a historical fact.
He was saying the fact is, and in fact, today,
If we were in violation of our Constitution by letting anybody other than white people vote and he He won he won an award and and and the issue is is going like how did that happen?
Johnny and Johnny and I brought up though the the point that saying like when you know, so teacher education
is accredited.
And one of our accreditors, the accreditors typically had language and this happened to me directly and also Johnny, he listened to the show.
But you know, this is maybe 15 years ago, I had a student who wrote a paper that indicated that she had a problem with diversity and that it wasn't her job as a teacher to
identify and be a non-racist.
She felt that that was pushing up against her.
But our accreditation literally says one of the things you have to do is help teachers not be racist.
Yeah, you know like we don't want racist teachers and so how do you do and so you know I brought the student we talked about it talk to the faculty and we had a conversation about you know what is it that's driving you to think this way you know as a teacher all of the students in front of you you know are are
supposed to, and in fact, your job is to elevate every one of them, and not be a racist.
And that was actually something we were supposed to do.
Because if not, if the creditors found out that we were letting racists slip through the cracks, we could be in violation of accreditation.
But now in 2025, I'm pretty sure that
I would have been the problem in that situation today because how dare I, you know, infringe on the human right of a teacher to be a racist.
Right.
Exactly.
Okay.
Living in a bizarro world again.
Left is right.
Yeah, Gordy, you look like you're
like, what's going on in the world?
I'm befuddled, yes.
Well, that's my usual
look.
But here's the thing, with this new policy on DEI and anti-DEI, what we're looking at is normalizing racist points of view.
We can't call in the question any of that, or else we would be trying to indoctrinate that conservative thought.
Yes, yeah.
God forbid we would take a racist point of view and hopefully help them understand that
you shouldn't do that.
You
know, and what's more striking in this case particularly is this is a very, you know, potentially, you know, a second year law student putting forward an argument that was trying to say to, you know, look, if I'm going to go out and practice law, here's kind of the ideology I'm going to be coming from, which is white people.
we're in charge of the world.
And in fact, you go in and dig deeper, and you find that the student is, you know, vehemently racist, incredibly anti-Semitic social media posts.
And, but we came back at it and saying, you know, what was, to me, the more troubling was the fact that the University of Florida system took a position of what they called
institutional neutrality.
Wow.
Wow.
Sounds good to me.
You
know,
I
just think about it, you know, because I know we're coming up on a break.
But
yeah, what what does that mean?
We will ponder that and maybe try to come up with an answer when we come back
to the
break.
648.
We're talking with Dr. Tim Slecker from busted pencils.
And we will
Continue the conversation in just a few moments.
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We got a text and a phone call here.
Let's read the text first.
All right, the
text from Matt Middleton.
Teaching tends to require empathy and conservatives have little of that and they care more about money.
So teaching isn't attractive to them.
And now let's go to the phones for Mark.
What do you got for us today, Mark?
Good morning, Mark.
Yeah, I'd point out that I don't think it says in the Constitution that whites only can vote.
I mean, I think it was just,
They thought it was supposed to be how much land you owned.
And I'd also point out, we have amended our constitution since then, both to allow women to vote, direct the election of senators, other things as well.
18-year-olds allowed to vote because this young person probably, maybe not would be allowed to vote.
I don't know if he was 21 years old or not yet to vote.
when he he penned this nonsense that uh... and i'd point out to them that that in the days of the ancient greeks i mean the greeks thought that anybody who was in greek was a was a barbarian i mean that uh... and the roman said similar attitudes for had nothing to do with color it had to send it if you're a roman or not that uh... so i mean reliant on this nonsense of
racism in itself is just ridiculous because we all sprung out of Africa.
Even at the constitutional convention, Madison was positing in the Federalist Papers that how barbaric slavery was and that probably in 20 years it would have been gone.
And because people would recognize the barbarity of it, but apparently we did not do that.
So we had to reject this whole notion of
of inequality is the natural order of things.
And let's face it, DEI means diversity, equity, inclusion, which includes conservatives.
Good point, Mark.
Well, we're finding that out.
We're finding that out now.
You know, Linda McMahon, of course, demanding that there be more conservative professors.
Well, that's, and I think she even used the word diversity.
So, and I know Voss has used the word diversity as well.
as he withholds funding from
the
UW at this point because it's too woke, it's too left, and some reforms have got to be taken.
And it's just, again, this anti-diversity thing that they have is not working out.
They can't stick with it, you know?
Well, you say that, that they're actually moving in the real diversity direction, which is mandating
their diversity overrides your diversity.
That's
right.
Okay.
Um, okay.
You know, the problem is, is that again, liberals define diversity as inclusive of all people when really diversity means excluding everybody except conservatives.
Right.
So, you know, if you want real diversity, University of Wisconsin system, you
can have more money if you eradicate liberal diversity and install conservative diversity.
There's a right and a wrong.
I don't know.
You know what, what Mark was saying, though, to again, back to the, you know, the facts of this original list paper and saying, well, like, look, history doesn't bear out because, you know, we have amendments that said, you know, no, we're actually including all these people.
But, you know, the original list is, is that he comes back and says, okay, you know, we wouldn't have had
at all of these people voting in favor of these new amendments, if we would have stuck with the originalists, you know, only white men could be the ones that would vote.
It is crazy.
What we did, though, too, just on that end, is to say, it would be an interesting conversation to talk about the history of who did right.
these things and what were they potentially thinking and were some of the founders you know
white racists who maybe in their brains did think that that's what they meant.
But then as Mark says, the history of evolving thought around this is that, okay, there were original thinkers who were racist, but we've now eradicated and or made adjustments and amendments to say, you know, no, this is the new version.
And I guess this is the other part is that
the Constitution is a living document
as
opposed
to
an old dead.
That's an interesting history lesson that could be, you know, really powerful to talk about and saying, okay, look, originalists, let's let's examine what it means to be an originalist.
And then let's put this under the microscope of an of an evolving historical context.
Really,
appropriate, deep, great history lesson if you went in that direction.
That's right.
You're right.
And that's the biggest point of all is that it's an evolving thing.
It's a living document.
And we have to look at it that way, but they won't.
They want to look at it as only an originalist would look at it.
And we got to leave it there.
Yeah.
Dr. Tim Slecker, thank you for joining us.
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It's just, it's so embarrassing to watch Pete Hagseth.
He's got a press conference.
He's
up there
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He's, he's out there like a talk show host.
Well, it was on Fox TV on weekends.
Just filling in the blanks, just extrapolate, just.
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Is anybody
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He's got a pass so far, but he shouldn't get a pass.
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the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff talking about the Iran strikes and all of that.
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Well, he's Mr. Know-it-all.
He's a genius on all of this stuff.
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OK, John, over to you.
I can see your anxious to get going here.
Sorry.
I've only spent 20 minutes.
Thanks.
Prepared for this.
OK, here's the thing I want to bring this up about.
All
right.
When when we were a triple M. All right.
You had you
had a feature called.
the thought of the day.
Yes.
I thought about bringing that back.
You did.
I thought better of it.
Well, what is it?
What was it?
What was it?
It was a ponderous thought, you know, by like Winston Churchill might say something like, you know, it's I don't know.
What would some words of wisdom, words of wisdom from famous people.
And then I would reflect on those words of wisdom.
OK.
Yeah.
OK.
Thought for the day.
It was extremely.
Why are you bringing this up?
I'm thinking that it could be added to Catherine's.
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Oh, to the to the newsletter.
She could
have a thought for the day.
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, or the week.
All right, we'll bring that up at the in this particular meeting.
Okay.
Okay, just bring that
up.
Put that on the agenda.
Yes, a big thing on the agenda.
All right.
Okay, Zoran.
Mom, Donnie, big winner out in New York.
He's
their
next mayor
and
by the way big election coming up in fall When all of this will happen again
Yeah, I don't know exactly how they could select the mayor in New York City I guess that was this a primary wasn't this a primary for the Democrats?
In a way
it was
okay
But they do,
what do they call it?
Ranked
choice?
Ranked choice.
Okay.
Right.
And because, you know, Man, Donnie was so far ahead that Cuomo just backed out,
and that was it.
He conceded.
So he is the winner of this particular primary.
Okay.
And the big election is coming up, and Silewa...
The guardian angel's leader, Curtis Leewa,
is
also running.
He's still
around.
Is he still
wearing the beret?
I don't know if
he
does,
but
it
certainly is a signature of his and he might be doing that.
Doug sends us texts every once in a while.
I don't know, do we share that one?
Well, why not?
Because it
seemed to stun all of us as we were.
Let's do it.
You guys are begging for votes like Trump is begging for Nobel Peace Prize.
Thoughts?
Thoughts.
You're right, it's shameless begging.
It is really shameless.
It's terrible.
It's terrible.
Listen, we know we're not going to win, but we'd like to place.
We made it through the final six.
Now it goes to the first place, second place, third place.
We're realists here,
but we're putting out a good effort.
All right, well, so let's get to Mondani's win, okay?
And this is his acceptance speech, and we're gonna play it all the way through.
It's about three minutes long, but I think this is the template for all Democrats to follow.
This guy is really fantastic.
My Gen Z sons were really hot on this guy, and I can see why.
I didn't think much of it until I saw his acceptance speech, and I am there.
Let's listen to this.
In these dark times,
I know that it is harder than ever to keep faith in our democracy.
It has been attacked by billionaires and their big spending, by elected officials who care more about self enrichment than the public trust, and by authoritarian leaders who rule through fear.
But above all, our democracy has been attacked from within.
For too long,
New Yorkers have strained to find a leader who represents us, who puts us first.
And we have been betrayed time and again.
After so many disappointments, the heart hardens.
Belief becomes elusive.
And when we no longer believe in our democracy, it only becomes easier for people like Donald Trump to convince us of his worth.
For billionaires to convince us that they must always lead as FDR said Democracy has disappeared in several other great nations Not because the people disliked democracy But because they had grown tired of unemployment and insecurity of seeing their children hungry while they sat helpless
in the face of government confusion and weakness.
In desperation, they chose to sacrifice liberty in the hope of getting something to eat.
New York, if we have made one thing clear over these past months, it is that we need not choose between the two.
We can be free and we can be fed.
We can demand what we deserve.
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Every new voter registered, that is faith renewed.
Every voter who traveled through withering heat to the polls, that is faith renewed.
Together, New York, we have renewed our democracy.
We have given our city permission to believe again.
And I pledge to you that we will remake this great city not in my image, but in the image of every New Yorker who has only known struggle.
In our New York, the power belongs to the people.
Okay, so Ron mom Donnie big winner and that is his except acceptance speech
and it
is just I I think it's one of the best and it certainly does give everybody an idea of what the new Democratic Party should sound and look like and this was a real upset,
you know, everybody figured what that This would go to Forgotten his name already
Oh, Cuomo.
Cuomo.
Yeah.
But he conceded fairly early.
Cuomo dynasty.
Yes.
And the Cuomo dynasty is over.
Yeah.
It appears.
My
mega friend in Milwaukee texted me right away.
And in this, it's a video of Zoran talking and getting people energized to go out and vote.
And this is the writing that is over the video.
New York making Islam great again.
Jihad is absolutely the solution to New York's problems.
Jihad, that's it.
Allah Akbar.
That's circulating on the right.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
They don't see color or religion do that.
I'm so glad that that's so true.
All right.
Well, anyway, again, a great template for all the Democrats to follow.
I think that guy has it and he is youth on his side.
So
something to watch.
Definitely something to watch.
Absolutely.
Let's see.
You've got something from John Oliver.
I do have John Oliver here.
Yeah, because we talk about AI a lot, especially lately.
We have
brought
up and we by the way, we
were earlier adopters
of us.
We
were, which wasn't very popular.
Apparently
not.
We came up with a few themes for the show.
Remember that?
AI
generated theme songs for our program.
And
it didn't turn out well.
I
wish we had one of those
examples here, but I don't look for it.
Anyway, this is John Oliver talking about something else that everybody is starting to get very upset with.
This is a new term.
Yeah.
Well, it's kind of new.
It's been out there, I guess.
I talked to my guys about it, and they said, no, it's been there a
while.
Oh, OK.
Well, I haven't heard of it.
OK,
Dad.
Anyway, it's called AI Slop.
OK, AI Slop.
And John Oliver is explaining what that is all about in a few examples.
Let's listen to his latest broadcast.
OK.
The spread of AI generation tools has made it very easy to mass produce and flood social media sites with cheap, professional looking, often deeply weird content.
There's even a name for it, AI Slop.
And it can come in lots of forms.
It can be news articles or music on Spotify, but you've probably encountered it the most in weird images and videos that have begun to dominate everyone's feeds, whether it's images of a Jesus making out of shrimp, or videos like Baron Trump wowing the judges on America's Got Talent, while his dad plays backup piano, a pug raising a baby on a desert island, or Pope Francis taking a selfie with Jesus while flying through heaven.
And my favourite part there is that AI somehow chose to give Jesus a...
And I love the idea that every once in a while, Jesus in heaven looks down at his watch and goes, shit, it's already 4 PM.
And at the start of this year, this image of a horse back out of bread got nearly 50 million views on Facebook and was even loved by Mark Zuckerberg.
A.I.
Sloth is basically the newest iteration of spam.
As the CEO of one AI content detection platform put it, not all AI content is spam, but right now, all spam is AI content.
And it's becoming a problem on multiple levels.
For a start.
OK.
All right, we're going to put that on pause because it's a little bit longer.
But you've got to hear this stuff.
This is great stuff.
It's really funny.
Yeah, it is.
As only John Oliver can put
it.
And we are going to.
Come back with Brittany Merleau, gonna check out our hot, humid weather, and she's gonna tell us about more rain and thunderstorms heading our way.
What's it looking like for the weekend?
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Good morning.
How's it going?
Oh, it's
going pretty
good.
Warm and sticky and humid and
hot again.
I'm used to it now.
Oh, you'd like this?
Well, I'm indoors in air-conditioning.
So I'm used to being indoors in air-conditioning.
Brittany, what can we
do?
It's really like 70 for you, right?
Yes, exactly.
All the time.
Is that two or something?
Yeah.
So what are we looking at today?
What do you think?
Oh still a hot and humid one temperatures probably nearing 90 degrees today and with the humidity still in those low to mid 70 dew points It's probably gonna feel about 95 degrees.
Yikes.
Wow.
And here I am in a hoodie up north because our temperatures are so much cooler on the other side of the front I'm telling you really whole different world.
Really?
What's your temperature
up
there?
Oh, yeah, we're sitting in the 60s right now.
Oh, my God,
north on Lake Superior.
They're in the mid 50s right now.
So free AC way up north, pretty comfortable, middle central parts of the state, and then hot and humid by you.
Is that moving down here?
Help us, please.
Somebody's been
saying too, in Illinois, they're like, um, can you please send the front further south?
It'll
move
through today, actually.
This will be the last really, really, really, really hot, humid day with a lot of storm chances.
And we're gonna dry things out a little bit more as we go into the weekend
with
only one front.
trying to dampen weekend plans.
So
what we've
got going on is the front is probably going to be draped from about lacrosse to Milwaukee this afternoon.
And I think that those storms are going to start to spark in and move in from Iowa area, probably around four o'clock.
And that'll be towards us.
Now, there is a slight risk just west of Madison into crossplains, Richland center area, where there is a risk for high winds and a tornado or two.
Wow.
OK.
We'll watch out for that.
Okay.
Yeah.
So probably around four o'clock and then we're going to get another round at around 10 o'clock.
That's when the line will move through and that's got high damaging winds possible with that as well.
Probably rainfall, a good quarter of an inch to a half an inch.
Maybe an inch would be maxed from this one.
About what time?
So first round possible around four, second round with the line of storms coming through around 10.
All right.
All right.
This evening, very good.
Yep.
And then we'll dry out tomorrow.
Really comfortable too.
Honestly, the dew points drop sitting at about 80 degrees.
Perfect day.
All right.
Very good, Brittany.
Pretty soon we'll probably get an update on the risky things you'd like to do during the summer vacation.
Absolutely.
Really?
All right.
All right.
OK.
Very good, Brittany.
Thank you so much for that weather update.
Yeah.
That's Brittany Merlot.
Bye.
WMDX chief meteorologist.
So maybe in for some storms late today and into later on tonight.
So Brittany will keep us posted on the Civic Media Radio Network.
All
right, now let's get back to John Oliver talking about something called AI Slop.
Okay, all right, let's check it
out.
Websites that were previously useful and now becoming much less so as this woman makes clear.
Interest is becoming unusable and I just need to talk about it.
This is me just searching Garden and almost everything is AI generated.
Like what is that cat?
I keep scrolling and like you literally click on anything and it's like this is so obviously AI and it's so frustrating.
I want...
Actual images interest used to be my favorite app and a place for people to share pictures They've taken and for other people to be inspired by those pictures, but now it is just exhausting and Gives me a headache every time I try
to use it but for a Pinterest user that is white-hot rage It's not just Pinterest There's no a booming market of AI generated videos about completely fictitious news stories like this one titled
Judge finds Caroline Levitt for wearing a cross misspelled only to discover she's a legal genius.
And here's just the taste of the court proceedings.
That cross Hargrove pointed at her neck, his tone rigid.
It doesn't belong here.
She realized instantly Hargrove wasn't just targeting her, but the cross itself.
a symbol he seemed to despise.
That channel has a lot of fake confrontations that follow a similar formula, like Caroline Levitt bankrupts the view, Brad Pitt storms off after heated clash with Caroline Levitt, Caroline Levitt mocked by famous pianist, then she played and silenced the world.
And my personal favourite, Pope Leo XIV orders Caroline Levitt to take off the cross.
The problem is, the comment section under that courtroom video is filled with people who clearly have absolutely no idea that it isn't real, saying things like,
tremendous victory for Christians everywhere, proud of you Caroline for putting that judge in his place and intelligence for once, she is a force to be reckoned with.
And when one commenter points out that the video is fake, a reply says, no it happened but it was Pam Bondi, I just watched a YouTube video because of course there are also multiple slot videos out there where the exact same thing happens to Pam Bondi.
And if that's starting to give you an uneasy feeling in your stomach right now, get used to it because it seems extremely likely that we're going to be drowning in this ship for the foreseeable future.
That's right.
I mean, it's just an amazing
thing.
John
Oliver.
Yeah.
The internet's going soft, man.
I'm able to see anything except for AI pictures and
slop.
I love the Pinterest.
That's how they lose it on Pinterest.
She
seemed really angry.
She's
released a manifesto as well.
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One of your, really?
Yeah.
You're getting a little
thin skin.
I think
you
are.
I remember.
I remember Parker, I did that the second time now.
I don't know if you guys saw
that, but yeah, I
think Parker did the same thing.
I don't know, that
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What do you mean?
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I just wanted to tell John real quick to shut his yap.
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Good morning, Jim.
From Amicus the Law Review, you can listen to his program 9 to 11 on Saturdays.
That's not enough time.
I'm telling you it's not enough time, but boy, oh boy, this ad is gonna be jam-packed because after we get off here and talk about some of the cases, the Supreme Court's gonna come out with a whole bunch of decisions, hopefully.
Right?
Absolutely.
This is one of probably the last two days.
They've got 10 more cases on their docket.
That includes insignificant things like whether or not the 14th Amendment does invent grant you birthright citizenship.
There's a case involving whether or not young students in a public school in Maryland should be exposed contrary to the religious beliefs of their parents to LGBT story books.
There's an issue related to whether or not you have to have certain identifiers to access porn on the internet, all kinds of things out there.
A little bit more seriously, perhaps there's also an attack upon the Affordable Care Act once again.
and these review committees have determined whether or not some elective procedures should in fact be covered.
buy insurance companies.
So nothing big to look at here in the next couple of weeks or so.
Wow, that's good.
And a lot of that coming out probably within the next couple of hours or so.
Now
these are preventive exams that somebody's calling
in to
question.
They don't want their money going to the preventive exams for other people if you can believe the selfishness of that one.
Wow.
Including things like cancer screenings, right?
Yes.
And given the virulent nature of that disease, which we continue to attack, that sort of thing, all kinds of things that help people
stay well and identify early on when they've got issues out there.
But we want to stop that.
And so let's come to the Supreme Court.
And the question really is whether or not these review committees and the task forces that look at this are properly constituted.
That's the legal issue.
But in the end, you shut them down.
And basically, then you've got insurers that can do whatever they want, including denying coverage for preventive
medical treatment.
So it's stunning.
It's
stunning.
That is.
And if that happens, of course, then the cost of health insurance will go up considerably at that point.
So I don't know
why this guy thinks he's saving money.
Right.
You don't save money paying for health insurance in this country.
It's not happening.
Absolutely.
All right.
Let's get to the crazy story, the nutty story from Amel Beauvais.
This guy is something else.
What?
He read out a central casting for villains.
He was basically telling all these attorneys, you know, the Justice Department to go out and lie and then call judges the F word and say, see you later.
You know, we're not going to listen.
We're not going to take your demands, right?
That's the headline, and that's the confirmation, again, that we're getting from one of the attorneys who was there for a meeting way back in March.
And Milbaugh, we've seen him before.
He was one of those folks who was sitting next to the then private citizen, Donald Trump, when he was being prosecuted in New York.
So he was one of those attorneys at that time, comes into the Department of Justice early on.
He's also responsible for all sorts of other policies, including terminating the lawyers
who prosecuted January 6th defendants, all kinds of things.
This one comes out again, a mid-March.
We all talked about this before, that time when those planes took about 250 migrants, immigrants from this nation to El Salvador.
They're still in that prison there.
There's a hearing in front of a district court judge in Washington, DC.
Turns out the day before that happens, the day before that happens, the event John that you just described,
occurs inside the depr at that point, he's called the associate depo that's a long
tail
basically inside the department.
He basically says regardless of what happens
And beyond that, again, I will not use the language.
None of us will here on proper, proper morning radio.
That's the response to judges who tell us what to do.
And the reason it's so stunning is it confirms, again, by a credible guy who himself was fired.
This is a little bit complicated.
This is another attorney again.
And in his name, of course, there's also someone familiar to us because
He was his name is Erez Rouvenny.
He was the guy who got fired for telling another judge.
that Abraigo Garcia was improperly removed.
So it's a lot of things going on here.
But he comes back and he says, no, I was at a meeting.
And frankly, this second, third in command of the Department of Justice told us to lie to Stonewall, not to give the judges what they want.
And it is a confirmation inside the Department of Justice of the complete violation of the rule of law in America.
And again, stunningly, as if you can't make this up,
President has nominated him to become a judge on the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.
Has his hearing yesterday?
Yes.
Probably will be confirmed to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.
You think so, really?
He denies this vociferously in front of Senator from California.
Well, yeah, Adam Schiff.
Let's
listen.
We got a clip of Adam Schiff questioning Bovay.
Let's listen to that.
In Bovee's hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee today, California Democratic Senator Adam Schiff confronted Bovee with his own words as detailed in a bombshell whistleblower filing.
In the complaint it says, Bovee stated that DOJ would need to consider telling the courts f*** you and ignoring any such court order.
Did you say anything of that kind in the meeting?
Senator, I have no recollection of saying anything of that kind.
To the extent I usually- Would
you recall, Mr. Povey, if you said or suggested during a meeting with Justice Department lawyers that maybe they should consider telling the court, it seems to me, that would be something you'd remember unless that's the kind of thing you say frequently.
Yeah.
Well, I've certainly said things, encouraging litigators at the department to fight hard for valid positions that we have to take
in defense of our clients.
And if you frequently suggested that they say,
and ignore court orders, is that also something you frequently do such you might not remember doing it in this occasion?
No, and as I explained, I've never
directed.
So did you or did you not make those comments during that meeting?
Which comments, Senator?
You really need me to repeat it.
Did you suggest, as Mr. Ruvani wrote, that DOJ would need to consider telling the courts to fuck you and ignore any such court order?
I did not suggest that there would be any need to consider ignoring court orders.
At the point of that meeting, there were no court orders to discuss.
Well, did you suggest telling the courts you in any manner?
I don't recall.
You just don't remember that.
Unbelievable.
There were
witnesses.
That is just
great.
There were other
witnesses
in the meeting.
And again, this fellow again, just to be clear, he's in the office of the deputy attorney general.
His name is Todd Blanche, also one of the president's former lawyers.
And he's setting policy for the Department of Justice.
This guy is out there again articulating how our department works, the standards by which we should be litigating cases.
And it is significant.
Of course, you hear Adam Schiff there too, just as an aside.
Adam Schiff, former assistant United States attorney, many years ago, before he was in the house, you hear him just vociferous, just tenacious in not letting him get away.
That's the cross examination of a prosecutor.
And all you need to know is when a witness says, I do not recall something of that significant.
That is basically, you're trying to avoid the perjury charge.
You know what you said, and you know that by saying, I just don't remember, I can get around the allegation that I'm committing perjury under oath by saying, my brain just isn't firing that well.
It's a ridiculous position.
It is stunning once again.
And this is the real point of yesterday's hearing that Adam Schiff is getting at.
The violation of the rule of law internal department justice, this man, this man probably sometime soon,
will be on the court among 12 across the country, second only to the Supreme Court.
And reviewing cases of the highest magnitude, that's the quality of people who are going on the appeals courts in this country right now from this president.
Wow.
Talking with Jim Santel, host of Amicus, a law review.
You can listen to that on the weekends here on the Civic Media Radio Network.
What about some of the other
major decisions?
that came down basically six three.
And that really upset the liberal side of the Supreme Court.
Right.
And so here, once again, we've got all these stories.
They're all sort of related to the deportation issue on Monday of this week.
The Supreme Court again, six three again in the shadow dock at once again, emergency applications.
We've talked about this before.
What it means is we've got no reasoning.
We've got a sentence that basically says we're going to overturn, in this case, a lower court ruling.
No explanation for it whatsoever.
And what they're saying is that the administration can, in fact, continue to deport people to nations, to countries.
that are not their own without providing them with due process.
The backstory on this is you've got a judge in Boston, his name is Murphy, and he has been presiding over these cases.
Remember the South Sudan deportees, these folks brought over eventually now they're probably in Djibouti.
And the question, there are plainly criminals.
They're plainly deportable.
They should be deported.
But as a part of our law, we say in this country that you've got to afford them an opportunity to object to the country to which they're being deported.
And in this case, again, they're from all over the world.
It may be South Sudan.
They've got no connection to this.
That's what the judge, the lower court judge says.
And when the Supreme Court comes back without any explanation, says, no, no, just go ahead and do, Donald Trump, what you'd like to do.
The judge, interestingly, on Tuesday says, you know what?
There's nothing about the Supreme Court's skeletal order that prevents my order from going in effect.
And for that reason, I'm still directing that you provide due process, prompting once again that a partner just has to go back to the Supreme Court yesterday.
So this is all going on right now in the midst of these.
frankly, deplorable and laughable and inappropriate attempts by the government just abide by the law.
That's
all the lower court judges saying.
And Sonia Sotomayor goes nuts, appropriate.
They don't mean that with any disrespect at all.
She is appropriately, appropriately angry about this.
And she talks about the violation of basic human rights, which is what is being accomplished just this week by the Supreme Court.
Well, you know, they're prohibiting medical treatments for transgender youths, which is just unthinkable.
What are the Supreme Court justices thinking?
Can they make medical decisions for the rest of the nation?
Right.
And given that opinion, as we discussed, it is a medical decision.
Basically, John Roberts last week saying, well, the evidence is kind of mixed out there.
I'm not a doctor.
Maybe legislators in Tennessee are.
So we'll let them make that determination.
Again, equal protection problems, they're all over the place.
That, again, is what the dissenters say falls on deaf ears, at least for the majority.
That's what the Supreme Court is doing right now.
All right, Jim.
Hang on, we will continue with more with Jim Santel on Johnny Gordy in the morning after
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Yeah, Jim, I just want to kind of wrap up this thing with a Supreme Court.
It seems like
You know, this is going to be a dark period in history for not just the Supreme Court, but the presidency of all coincides with Trump in 2016 when in the election.
And suddenly the court just takes this dramatic turn for the worse and going along with right wing politics in such a blatant way that it is almost shocking.
to the system.
It is, and I could even remove the word almost from that last
sentence, right?
It is, it is shocking.
And to your very good point, John, you know, the, we are looking at next Tuesday, it is July 1, 2025.
That is the one year anniversary of what I think is the most catastrophic decision to the Supreme Court in recent history.
We've talked about it a lot.
on this very broadcast.
That is when John Roberts, the Chief Justice, again, six to three opinion, writing for the majority, says, number one, that indeed our president is above the law, that you can in fact prosecute, cannot prosecute him for crimes.
But beyond that, as we've talked, the presidency needs to be this very, very nimble, athletic, muscular, quick, cannot be feeble presidency, gotta be able to act with great power.
And that's in the first pages of that order from a year ago.
It may or may not be something that Donald Trump has ever read.
I suspect he's never read in the Supreme Court opinion.
But still, it commissions to your very good point, this notion that the Supreme Court is affording the president, whoever that is, whether it's Joe Biden or Donald Trump, this incredible amount of power, which is contrary to the Constitution, James Madison would be and is out there horrified.
by all of this and giving him license, therefore, to do all of these things because we can't have a president this week.
That's what the Supreme Court has said to America.
And we celebrate, again, the 4th of July, 249 years of our nation.
We do observe that.
We celebrate that.
We hope that we can get to 250 and beyond, right?
It seems like we're doing pretty well the way with
the way things were for so long, you know, 249 years suddenly, you know, he is an emperor.
He is the king.
He can make any decision and he is not responsible for any of it.
He can do anything he wants.
Can't be called in question.
And he has said
just that exactly explicitly.
Among the many executive orders, you know, they pale because we have this flurry
of them.
He issued this executive order basically saying that with respect to all agencies, this is that unitary executive theory that we've talked about.
Any agency comes up with a legal theory, a legal principle, a position on litigation, on policy, and it's contrary to mine.
What I say what the law is that person will probably be fired and that's not what the law is the attorney general may weigh on in this That's basically once again.
That's one of the Louis the 14th right play toss a moi That's basically saying I am the law
and
the supreme place.
Let him do it
Well, there's another lawsuit out there against Trump put up by Leticia James and by the way, Josh call is also
A participant in this lawsuit, a lot of AGs from other states are involved in this.
The suit alleges that the president is using a single clause in regulations of the Office of Management and Budget.
The office runs...
is run by the guy who came up with Project 2025, Russ Vogt, to slash budgets for government agencies.
Now they're using just a small, single clause out of this huge clause.
The clause states that the government can remove funding if it no longer effectuates the program goals or agency priorities.
And Leticia James is arguing, saying that the funding goes to programs that combat violent crime,
educate students with special needs, protect clean drinking water, repair crumbling infrastructure, and more.
So these all are extremely important points and things we should be funding.
And that's her argument that this isn't just some optional thing that doesn't really fulfill the needs of this particular administration.
This fulfills the needs of society, our country.
Here here and the point of the lawsuit like many others that are out there is that you're doing this in violation of law really in violation of what the Congress has said what it is appropriated in terms of monies for these various programs and as you indicated many states including Wisconsin joining in on this and all of them Fundamentally saying that this is seizing on some language as you just indicated John
that was never intended to do this kind of thing.
And the good news once again, if we've got some here this morning, we should always have good news,
right?
Is that
most federal judges looking at these things are in fact saying no to him.
This applies not only to funding, but also all those people have been fired.
Again, the same theory out there.
We're firing all these folks because again, it's contrary to the best interests of the government.
What government are you talking about, right?
And so the district court judges have for the most part pushed back on Donald Trump saying you can't do this.
But all those are percolating up to the court's appeals, maybe getting to the Supreme Court one day.
And the fact that we're fighting about this in the courts, well, we should be working, frankly, in the Congress on what education and environment and healthcare and transportation and commerce and labor and agriculture.
We're not doing any of that because instead we're fighting these ridiculous arguments.
And it's good to bring the lawsuit.
It is unfortunate we got to be diverted by this.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Well, Jim, we need to leave it there.
Thank you so much for joining us.
And I'm exhausted.
Touch me next
Thursday.
It's a lot, as we always say.
It's a lot.
It is a lot.
Always a pleasure.
And more to come after we get off the air.
All these judgments will be coming up.
Tune in to Jim Santel, Amicus, a law review every Saturday morning, 9 to 11 a.m.
on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Once again, thank you, Jim.
Coming up next, Stephanie Miller.
Tomorrow on our show, Rocker will join us with the Maxing preview and Savannah Tomei Olsen.
That's going to do it for us.
Yep.
See you again
tomorrow.
Talk to you in 22
hours.
So
many
things to talk about.
So long.
