When the chips are down and democracy's back is up against the wall, two radio veterans step up to the microphone to right the wrongs, standing for truth, justice and just because.
Hey, are they ready to go yet?
It's John and Gordy on 92.7 WMDX.
Where's my shoes?
My shoes.
You miss them.
WMDX.
Gun boats.
I need to buy it.
What size shoe do you wear?
I mean, I've never seen shoes like that.
They usually use them to keep the doors open here.
Yeah,
they do.
You know, I get these, I order them online.
Kizzix.
Kizzix.
Kizzix shoes, you might have seen a few ads from them.
They have the uncrushable heel on them.
You know, you kind of push your foot in sometimes.
My sons never bend down to tie their shoes.
They tie them once and then they slide their feet in every time.
I don't know how they do that, but it would drive me crazy if the shoes were too...
too loose, but with Kizzix, you can tie your shoes as tight as you want and then slide your foot right in there.
Really?
Yeah.
And it never crushes.
The heel always bounces and springs back on your heel and it's perfect.
You can always, in fact, I got the shoes.
I was interested in them because it hurt my back and I thought I had a permanent back problem.
So I was trying to
get something that works for me as far as shoes are concerned, and I was able to find the Kizzix, and by the way, Skechers
also has
the same kind of gizmo in the back of their
heels.
They call them slip-ins, not slip-ons, slip-ins.
I want to try some
of those.
Yeah,
see, those are really
cool, so you don't have to bend down
if you
have a back problem, certainly.
but now my back is much better.
Don't know how that happened, but now,
but I love these
things.
Yeah.
That's good.
Well, good
morning.
Did I go way too long on that?
I think so.
Okay.
All right.
Let me just hold me back.
We're just warming up.
That's okay.
Yeah.
It's eight minutes past
John.
There was just
another segment of just as John.
I don't think we asked you anything, but you know, thanks for sharing.
It's eight minutes past the hour.
It's cloudy this morning and it's a Thursday, June 12th.
Lots of stuff going on today.
The clouds look like they're going to hang in there at least for a while this morning.
And currently 61 degrees.
Do you have your Samsung WMD watch?
Well, I always do.
You know, it's WMDX.
What?
I said some other call letters.
That's OK.
Oh, you did.
I transferred half of my old call letters from the TV station to the radio station.
I said WMDU.
I used to work at WMDU.
Now I'm working at WMDX, but I combined, never mind.
What time is it?
Where are
we?
I always get it confused with WMAD
as
well.
Oh yeah, somebody call letters so little time.
Well, that's what happens when you get fired all the time.
You have to get a job at a cross town radio station somewhere.
Okay, it's currently 62 degrees and a high of 78 today, a low tonight of 55 degrees, which may be a lot more comfortable than it was this
evening
well let's let's roll the bar dice and see what that says about the afternoon high okay you got those handy there move the beer aside producer extraordinary flipping the buttons hitting the switches seven and a six the unusual seven die shows up again 76 special
die
yeah right yeah what did you say for high well now you have
to
check
77 right
77 no 78 okay
well
good
if
I said 77 then I'd be thinking of 77 sunset
strip yeah
Yeah, that was a great TV show.
So talking about call letters, you know, there's a big reunion tonight.
There is.
The WIBA reunion.
All the people that ever worked there, which seems like everybody, weren't there at least for a few minutes.
Half of Madison.
Right.
But they're celebrating 100 years, right?
Is that right?
Yes, of being on the air.
Big wing ding a little bit later on.
I think we're going to make a.
brief appearance.
I think we're going to have to go there.
Yeah.
Do we know what time it starts?
Well, I don't know that the Madison Night Market is happening.
That's the thing we
have to balance it with the night market.
We got to be down there.
Yeah, we've got our new t-shirts
to
turn people on to.
Got our John and Gordy t-shirts.
What's the other
thing we're going to do?
We're
going to hold that up.
Yeah.
So hold it up to the camera.
If you're watching on Facebook or there you go.
YouTube or, you know, X or wherever.
Can you see it?
Yeah.
Okay, so we've got those t-shirts.
It does not glow in the dark.
It does.
Yeah, it does though.
Yeah, it could and we'll also be there talking about our best of Madison nomination.
Oh more
important than anything
really you will help you vote if you want.
You know, we'll guide you through the voting process if you show up.
Well, you gotta put
your camera, right
at
the QR code.
Is that what
the whole thing is right there?
And then you get a sticker saying that you voted for John
and Gordon.
Oh
yeah, I got the stickers.
They're over on my desk.
Oh, we got them finally.
Yeah, yeah.
Pretty snazzy, okay, for a sticker.
What are we getting from Doug?
Doug is piping up already from St.
Francis this morning on the text.
He says, has Sage told you guys when he will be done training the AI that's going to take your place?
No, he hasn't.
He hasn't mentioned that yet.
We're kind of waiting word.
Somehow Doug knows these things before we do.
I don't know how that works.
OK, so here it is Thursday a little later on.
Tim Slacker will return.
We haven't talked to him for a couple of weeks.
That's right.
We'll be talking education.
with Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, and attorney Jim Santel will join us to tell us what the heck's going on.
There's so many legal things going
on.
I know, we'll be talking about the grand jury indictment
of
Abrego Carzia.
Okay.
Yeah, and then also he wants to talk about Pam Bondi's press conference.
I think I have a
cut from that.
I'm not quite sure what we're gonna talk about in regards to that, but we're gonna play that later on.
Jim Santel's gonna
talk about that.
Yeah, and then of course
the Supreme Court giving access to Doge at the Social Security Administration.
Yes, yes.
We'll be talking about that as well, and I want to ask him about cork baiting.
Now, I
mentioned this to you the other
day, but yeah, Trump's plan is to court bait.
What you do is you bring a case to the court, and it's an unpopular case, and the court will have to make a decision, and they'll make the decision that will probably anger the base of Trump.
So, in other words, it'll anger the cultists out there, and they will turn...
the public against the courts.
This will influence the courts.
So it's court-baiting.
Well, that's a new term.
I've never heard it before either, but there are a lot of new things from this administration.
So, Dom, I want to ask you a question.
Oh, God.
What's going on over here in the studio?
What did you put a microphone in front of?
The tornado.
The fan.
Why did you do that?
Listen,
the reason was because it
was
It was blocking your view.
It was blocking your view, Gordy, on
YouTube.
Oh, OK.
So it was
blocking the camera?
It was blocking the camera completely.
OK.
I thought you were going to put the mic over there because you wanted some wind sound or something.
Before?
Well, that's what I thought, too.
It's kind of a special effect here.
That's good.
OK.
So
you're going to be with us at Night Market at least for a little while.
I will be for a while.
I'll be setting up.
So you get to meet our new producer, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm excited.
Did
you fall out of bed again this
morning?
I did
not.
My foot is fully healed now, and I didn't fall out of bed this time.
Good.
I just want to prepare you.
Sam used to man the table down at the night market.
Yeah,
he was there from the
beginning to the end, and he was there hosting the... The big wheel.
Well,
yeah.
The prize
wheel.
The prize wheel.
Sure.
I think is something you're going to have to big shoes to
fill.
Well, we'll show
you that.
Exactly what I was going to say.
OK, so here it is the 12th day of June.
Anything on the history books or in the birthday file.
Dom, what do you have for
us?
Yeah, so we didn't do this yesterday, but first Indiana Jones movie Raiders of the Lost Ark was released today, 1981.
And we have that theme.
That's a great thing.
In
her
music.
Oh, do
we really?
We've got Raiders of the Lost Ark.
You might want to throw that in as we continue to talk about Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Boy, that was a great movie.
It sure was.
Yeah, it's still a great
movie.
The Rolling Rock in there.
I know.
Outrun.
That was a tribute to a scene in Journey to the Center of the Earth with James Mason and Pat Boone.
They were, you know, going to the center of the earth and this giant rock came loose and it rolled.
It was one of those round rocks.
Perfectly round.
And
it rolled right toward them.
They had to outrun it and jump over a cliff
in order to
get away from the rock.
It's just fantastic stuff.
There you go.
Right there.
See?
It's great.
Yeah.
Wow.
This is beautiful.
Have you seen the movie?
I have I actually have not seen
really well.
This is you gotta see it.
Yeah, you definitely have to watch all Well the first two at late three
on
the Indiana Jones
movies the
three and then I know there's a really bad one in there Yes, I actually I can't say the rest of them were any good.
Yeah, okay.
They're a little
cliche to where I
don't know why speedberg did that but
But now, you know, he makes such great movies, right?
And then he has these cliches
that he
overemphasizes.
Okay.
Yeah, but the first two are really good.
Yeah.
Anything else in the history or in the...
Yeah, so Harry Houdini did his first performance today.
I don't know the exact date, but it was a straight jacket escapee, and he was on a crane, and he was...
Upside
down.
Upside down,
yeah.
So that was his first Harry Houdini act.
Who played him in
the movie?
Was it Tony Curtis?
I think so.
I think so, I think you're right.
They had a movie about Houdini.
Yeah, Harry Houdini.
First really amazing performance magician, I guess you'd say.
Birthdays?
Yeah, birthdays.
Blake Ross.
Blake Ross, he was the founder of Firefox, which is, in my opinion, not the best web browser, at least that's just my humble opinion.
Well, when was the last time you checked to see whether it has improved or not?
Today.
Still out there?
Really?
Yes, StreamYard uses Firefox every day.
Oh,
no kidding.
And it
always has problems.
I kind of use Firefox a lot for the senses.
I had to look up properties and stuff like that.
But I liked it and I saw all the updates they put on it.
I thought maybe it improved dramatically.
But then again.
Once I get out of StreamYard, I'm sure it'll be way better.
The whole thing is with Edge now, and they save all the passwords, I go with Edge because it's cross-platforms.
You have it on your phone, you have it on the home computer, and then you have it on your laptop.
pretty nice.
All
right.
Just
ask John.
Okay, thanks.
I'm
sorry.
Birthdays?
And then, yeah, we got
two more.
We got Brad Delp, who
I
didn't know that was, but he was an American rock, he was an American musician.
And then we have Anne Frank, 1929.
All
right.
Those were the three.
Well, the sad news is, the very sad news is that Brian Wilson passed away.
Right.
Dementia.
You've been battling that for quite a while, and a lot of people have taken advantage of that with Brian Wilson.
Yeah.
He did some touring to get some of that money back, but just an incredible, incredible legacy of music
left behind.
Musical genius and a great songwriter and singer.
Yeah.
really the leader of the Beach Boys.
I've
got compliments going back and forth from Beatles to the Beach Boys.
It
was just incredible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we're going to play a little bit of Beach Boys from time to time this morning, including this one great song in my room.
Coming up, we'll be talking with Tim Slecker shortly and also in our next hour, Jim Santel and of course, Viscani Summer Text and Wind Contest all coming up on John and Gordy in the morning.
I may not always love you But long as there are stars above you You never need to doubt it I'll make you so sure about it God only knows what I'd be
without you
little Beach Boys here.
God only knows this is Paul McCartney's favorite song of all time.
Yeah.
Which encouraged him to really broaden a lot of his songwriting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is one of the great ones.
Really is.
It's John and Gordy in the morning.
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Highs in the mid 70s.
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Okay.
Yeah, another thing about the Beach Boys and the early songs that they produced, car songs.
Yeah, at the same time they did the surf songs as well, but the car songs are super important at that time because You know the old saying was my kingdom for a car.
You know, we really looked up to cars wheels gave us freedom.
Yes We couldn't wait to get our driver's license and cruise around.
Yes and teens in those years and
getting
their hot
rods every once in a while, you'd get an old car.
Just an old car.
They were always available at the Boneyard and you'd fix it up a little bit.
They were easy to work on because most of them were like straight, straight sixes, you know.
Right, yes.
But the whole thing here was, you know, world for a car.
I mean, you just needed those wheels and Diana Shore used to sing about seeing the USA and Chevrolet, right?
Yes.
Yeah.
And, you know, of course,
The drive-in movies were kind of a new thing.
Yeah,
take the
take the car out to that It was the center of everybody's universe at the time.
Yeah, so it was really important I know that may be hard to believe for Gen Zers out there to understand how important the car was because nowadays they don't even get a driver's license Just
get around a
little Scooters and stuff all this about you know, I was doing when I was doing the census survey a lot of people would complain to me about their kids
still being at home and not having a driver's license.
And I identified with them because
my
kids were the same way.
There's quite a few friends of mine that still don't have their driver's license, right?
That would never have happened in the 60s.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, but the Beach Boys had a lot of great car songs.
I remember 409.
That
was one of the first records I ever bought was 409
because they started out with the,
you know, I mean, had
the, had the engine sound in
there.
She's real fine.
Oh
yeah.
Yeah.
Good stuff.
Yeah.
So sad for the passing of Brian Wilson yesterday.
82
years old.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Little leader of the Beach Boys.
Last of the Wilson brothers.
Carl Wilson died a number of years ago.
And of course, Dennis Wilson drowned.
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, this guy was the surfer in the group and he drowned.
Yes.
So not good, not
good.
Right.
And yeah, Beach Boys, I mean, just a big part of our growing up lives, years in line and people our age.
And I had the chance to, when they were playing in South Bend, I got on stage with the Beach
Boys.
I
was
a TV weather man.
Now, Brian wasn't with the band at that time
because he had separated from the band for a long time.
But Mike Love was still there.
You know a couple of the other guys.
He was not a nice Al
Jardine.
Mike Love was not a nice guy.
No, he wasn't.
He was very standoffish.
We met him, you know, before the show and explained, you know, they have a part in the show where they get a local celebrity to come up on stage during Barbaran because you can't screw up that song too badly.
You know, it's really
pretty easy song.
They give you a tambourine to go on on stage.
Yeah, pretty much.
But
I'm standing right next to Mike Love.
Right.
And the same
microphone.
And
I'm like, my God, you know, what a, what a, what an awesome presence.
But he was pushing away from the mic.
You know, Gordy wanted to kind of take over.
Yeah, you wouldn't let me.
Oh, he was, they were nice enough, but yes, very standoffish.
Little odd.
But yeah, anyway, that's my Beach Boys story.
All right.
Well, you know, the big news is that a plane went down.
Yeah.
In India, I believe yes over 250 passengers.
I would assume our
All
dead at
this point.
They showed the takeoff or the attempted takeoff.
Yeah,
and you could just see the plane descend.
Yeah, really.
And then the ball of flames.
So it's I mean, it's horrific.
Absolutely horrific.
And I always thought, why pack so many people in an airplane because I don't trust airplanes in the first place.
And I don't think everybody should either.
But this was a 767.
You pack so many people on these things.
I mean, so many people can die so suddenly.
Yes.
So.
We
don't know the cause, of course,
early on, but
they was headed toward London.
We're seeing clips right now of the protest in California.
Is it just me?
Or are there very few protesters out there for the entire length of this discussion?
have been very few protesters in the streets.
I don't get this.
This is, they're overdoing it.
This is a show.
This is a
show.
It's all for the video, I'm telling you.
Yes, that's all it is.
It's ridiculous.
My God.
I mean, the crowds are actually people watching.
You know, what's happening with the police and the National Guard, the military's still not out there yet, thank God, but this whole thing is just a fiasco and then what they did was now they're arresting all these people because they were out after curfew and they were, they're the violators.
To the full extent of our law, let's prosecute them.
My God, this is just out of
hand.
Yes, it is.
It's 29 past the hour when we come back.
Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils talking education on John and Gordy in the
morning.
Nothing can get you, nothing can touch my four nine four
There
you go, the jet without wings.
That was the land speed record attempt, I believe.
Spirit of America Beach Boys and Brian Wilson passed away.
John and Gordy celebrating his musical legacy here on John and Gordy in the morning.
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Maybe a couple of sprinkles or showers here and there, but for the most part, just mostly cloudy today and highs in the mid-70s.
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Okay.
All
right.
Back again from the long vacation.
He took movie and get in a new job and everything else.
Traveling around the country.
It's Tim Slecker from busted pencils joining us today.
And he's all dressed
up with a suit and
tie and everything.
It's what?
I said, I felt so bad.
about, you know, all of the neglect I was putting forward.
So I had to show up today and express my sincere sorrow and ask your forgiveness.
So you dress like you, but Gordy holds a grudge.
Why are you dressed this way though?
Really?
Is
that
your new job?
Is that
it?
Well, I mean, yeah, but today too is a
the first lunch with the University Board of Trustees.
Oh, yes.
And
this will be the first time they get to meet me.
And I figured that my ACDC rock and roll t-shirt wouldn't be appropriate.
Well, I don't know.
Tim, you should
just test it out.
See what happens.
Some of you are the rebel, man.
You're the guy.
I was listening to your current podcast that's dropped a few days ago.
And one of the topics that I think is really, really interesting at this point, history teachers, how do they cover current events in this country in the classroom because of all of the problems with DEI and things
you
can't say in class these days?
because of the propaganda supposedly or the indoctrination, how does a teacher relate to the students when they want to know a little bit more about this stuff?
I you stick to Fox News speaking.
Do
you have that in every classroom too?
Just keep the Fox News app on your phone and keep it running in the background and you know because you will be getting the other side's story of of their you know their their plight of oppression.
Um,
being
conservatives and you know, typically we don't hear their side of the story.
Oh, that's true.
Yes.
We
never
hear about it.
Yeah.
You know, um, and again, they have a hard
time, you know, seeing anything because people always try to silence them, you know, and
yes, yes.
It's, it's, it's, uh, you know, one of those things.
No, it's, you know, we bring this up because it.
Because of, yeah, this administration and the way things are going, it's been really kind of pressing to think about, okay, how do I present current events in a kind of atmosphere where it feels like that things might be off limits because of getting in trouble and teachers don't want to do that.
And what Johnny and I were trying to bring back is saying, you know,
we have to really guard against making decisions like that because the responsibility, not just history teachers, all teachers, when things like this happen and kids come in and are asking questions, the reality here is that teachers, you are in that space to help the students make sense of what's going on.
That doesn't mean that you're taking a position, that you're indoctrinating, and in fact, avoiding those conversations because of a fear that you might get in trouble really continues to then be a real detriment to learning and continues to kind of push forward this idea that we don't talk about
quote, controversial issues.
And the reality that we're believing that current events are controversial, that's what we need to be talking about.
There are questions.
There's a clarity that a teacher can bring to those conversations.
I think what you're hearing though now is that there's a real fear that even being from a position of just providing clarity feels like they might be accused.
of some type of indoctrination and you know that's a real frightening point so we have been really pointing you know forward to say but that is your responsibility as a teacher is to again not quote take a position but to help students really try to say here are the facts here's what we know here's what's happening
You know and be ready for when well at home last night though my dad said this or I was watching this and you say
Okay, I understand where your dad's coming from.
Here are the issues.
And these are the people have you even point out people have their own, you know, ability to make their own decisions and to hold their own positions.
But here in school, here are the facts that we know.
Let's talk about them.
And then kind of go, Well, what do you guys think?
Because that's what it means to be a teacher is to engage in these conversations.
And I think in this app,
though, teachers are just really frightened by the possibility.
And, you know, and that comes back to going and saying, you know, and remember, that's really the
The goal anyway of putting forward all these regulations They won't stick they can't hold up in court or any of those things.
They don't have to just putting forward They have the effect of silencing teachers,
right?
Well, you know one of the things I think is more difficult to explain is reality from what is being talked about and said in the media and I how do you deal with something like that like when I'm watching the coverage of the protests in
I'm not seeing a lot of protesters.
So they're acting like, you know, LA is in flames.
It's blown up.
And what we're seeing is completely different from that.
So how do you discuss the problem of making those two topics work together or be able to talk about it without sounding partisan?
Well, I think on this one too, though, you.
you come out from the standpoint of saying, you know, media represents places where they happen to be.
And so the reality of saying, you know, there's a car burning in this episode of the news that you're watching.
And in this other channel, there's people, you know, peacefully putting flowers in the barrels of the guns.
And the reality is, is to point out and say, these things are potentially both happening.
But the interesting thing to talk about here is this is a media literacy moment to point
out
that, guess what?
People who put our news on make choices and decisions about what it is they are going to show.
And therefore, that influences the message that we as consumers of media are there.
And so this is again.
What does it mean to be a really responsible, active citizen in a democracy?
It is being aware that media, all media, has an ability to try to influence us from what's really going on.
That's right.
And I know Johnny brought up in your discussions the fact that a lot of these politicians are using the students as cannon fodder.
in all of this they're putting them in between and it's making it more difficult because the students are now being used themselves as part of this propaganda.
Yeah I mean yeah so again what the and it's not just LA now right I mean the protests are spreading
right
right you know and and then there's this conversation of saying you know
what's actually driving this and we're moving into, does this administration actually really know what they're doing by putting forward reasons to kind of, you know.
take a certain part of the protesting population and really push them into positions to create acts of
violence.
Talking with Dr. Tim Slecker from Busted Pencils, a podcast that you can hear on the Civic Media Radio Network.
And I want to move on to this thing with Linda McMahon.
You set
that up, John.
What's this deal about her in mascots?
What's this all about?
Well, yes, she's out there.
You know, she's
of course, tearing apart the Department of Education.
At the same time.
Busy doing that.
But she is very busy defending racist mascots.
If you can believe this.
Racist mascots.
Racist mascots.
So let's listen to this cut.
This is Linda McMahon talking to the press about racist mascots.
Okay.
All right.
Now, at this point, you might be asking yourself, does anyone in this cabinet even know what their job is?
Well, based on what Education Secretary Linda McMahon has been up to.
Still no.
Education Secretary Linda McMahon weighed in on Long Island's continuing mascot battle.
She was in massive people yesterday.
It's one of 13 districts fighting to keep Native American school nicknames and mascots.
The state says if the mascots are not changed by June, funds will be withheld.
But McMahon says the ban violates civil rights because names and mascots of other racial and ethnic groups are still allowed.
We
reserve the right to turn over this investigation to the Department of
justice, because that's how serious we are about
this.
Wow, seriously.
Great use of your time, Education Secretary.
China's schools are producing a million engineers a minute, but it's okay because our students will know how to do the Tomahawk chop.
All right.
Wow.
You know, taking up this mascot issue is just ridiculous.
It truly is.
And then of course, you know,
Her philosophy is, or at least the administration's philosophy is, if you do one thing, then that means you can't do another thing.
And so
it
negates everything.
You can't do anything at this point, right?
I mean,
just to
free for all
in education.
I mean, there, you know, the fact is too, and I saw the other defense of this was to say, well, wait a minute, these mascots honor these.
Yeah.
Indigenous groups of the past
and
how racist it is to want to take away these mascots that are standing there proclaiming how amazing the Indigenous populations are.
These are not racist mascots.
These are tributes to the greatness of the Native American populations that were wiped out.
Again, the logic and things like you hear here, it's just like, yeah, first of all, yeah, what is Linda McMahon?
I like the
bit there too about China's producing a million engineers and we've got students that continue to hold on to their Tomahawk chop or their hoot and things like that.
Again, what is happening here?
I think this conversation, though, actually does take away from the fact of, OK,
Linda McMahon, you're dismantling the Department of Education.
We're now going to actually focus on this crazy thing when we should really be deeply digging into going, wait a minute, we're dismantling an entity that really provides resources for students across the country who don't have adequate resources and instead were blurred.
by her doing a suplex on... She's suplexing DEI.
Yes.
Well, we've got more of DEI coming up in just a few moments, too, from Linda
McMahon.
Stay with us.
We'll continue our conversation with Dr. Tim Slecker in a moment on John and Gordy in the morning.
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Well, that sounds fantastic.
Why don't we get to a great cut from Linda McMahon?
We
love talking
about Linda McMahon
here on the show with Tim
Slecker and Busted Pencils.
So let's play this.
This is the reporter doing all the work in this one.
So let's hear it.
Linda McMahon.
Are you not telling the administration how to run their admissions process?
Do you not think that by the only admission of Harvard that only 3% of their faculty were conservatives?
Do you think that's a diversity of viewpoint on campus?
Because you can't possibly believe that.
And I do think that that's one of the things that Harvard and Columbia and other universities are taking a serious look at is what is that balance?
And I think that that's
trying to figure out where these intersect.
On one hand, you're saying that they should be focused on merit-based admissions and that they should not engage in diversity, equity, inclusion practices.
But then at the same time, you're saying that they need to admit more conservative students.
Well, the case of the students versus Harvard.
I mean, my goodness, the Supreme Court clearly said that we have to look at
Harvard's admission process, because they are not doing it on merit.
And so that was very clear, and that is the standard that we have to look at.
And so this is where McMahon and the Department of Education and the White House are justifying cutting off these funds and the $2 billion in grants and cutting and ending foreign visa service opportunities for students to study at Harvard.
Part of their justification is the Title VI civil rights violations that they claim
through DEI programs and admissions hirings that Harvard, they say, is engaged in at the same time.
She is making the case that it is incumbent upon Harvard to also admit more conservative students.
And there you have her response in terms of seemingly contradictory statements.
Yes, seemingly.
No actual contradictions.
I
don't hear
that.
Really?
You know, yes, being a very firm supporter of DEI, I hear her very much pointing out that the oppression over the years that conservatives have faced in academia.
It merits them to a special status that they're above DEI and need to be considered because no one's advocating for conservatives.
And the education department and the federal system of justice is here to level the playing field.
This is not DEI when you're restoring the rights of an oppressed group.
That's right.
You know, so if anybody, you know, it's funny, I would go into a like a rant like that on our show
and
you gotta watch Johnny's face because Johnny, he doesn't do sarcasm and he gets this look on his face like, where?
Oh my god, what happened to Tim?
He doesn't react to sarcasm
that
well.
It's
not on his radar.
He's not on his radar, yeah.
I know.
That's what I love about hearing you two guys go.
But it you know, I mean that's the argument that she is trying to potentially put forth Which was one of the things that we did say about why DEI matters is is that there are long term oppressed groups oppressed viewpoints that have for the longest time been silenced by the majority and so we use DEI to say let's bring
those oppressed voices to a place where they should be also heard.
And they're attacking that.
But then wanting to come back and say, but our oppressed group needs DEI treatment.
And you're going, OK.
What's
going on here?
The heads explode.
It's a bizarro world.
By the way, we have one of your favorite listeners on the line right now.
Mark has a question.
Mark,
we got to keep it quick.
Only
got a minute, so.
Yeah, for Trump's parade, maybe somebody needs to be standing behind Donald Trump, like the old Roman triumphs when the general was getting his triumph.
Whisper in his ear, remember the Lord and mortal.
Remember the Lord and mortal during the whole damn parade.
That and and that's I mean that's to remind the man that he is indeed more long He is not you know some god.
We're supposed to be worshiping.
I mean that shows can read that frequently in the history books and But Trump is getting a little too big for his britches and maybe he needs to get that little reminder and it's historically significant
Well, Mark,
thank you for that call.
I hope there's some
kind of court case arguing the same point that McMahon could not wriggle her way out of in regards to a simple report or a product's question.
And that's the kind of reporting that we should be looking for at this point.
You know, and that goes back to saying, I mean, you know, this, that's media's job.
And we're talking to students and stuff.
You know, those are the hard questions they should be asking.
And so as students, we want to prepare them to be able to think deeply about going, you know, here when people are trying to pull your leg, because that's what's, you know, it's, it's the old, don't tell me something in the shower when I know what's really happening.
Exactly.
We don't leave it there.
Dr. Tim Slecker busted pencils.
new podcasts Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and their show on the weekends on the Civic Media Radio
Network.
We also had an AI cut that we wanted to play for
you that
would just freak you out.
We'll
get to that next time.
Thank you, Tim.
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Now, you've probably seen all the protest footage out of LA in the wake of Trump's immigration sweeps.
But despite what you're seeing on the news, keep in mind that most of the protesters have come with more of a chill SoCal vibe.
Dancing, playing music, and unleashing these devastating projectiles at police.
So
there's definitely a chance that this can all be resolved peacefully as long as nobody escalates this thing with an unnecessary show of force will be a
President Trump mobilizing 2,000 California National Guard troops against the will of the state's governor.
President Trump ordered the deployment of 2,000 more California National Guard troops, making for a total of 4,000.
Now making the unprecedented move of dispatching 700 active duty Marines to the streets of Los Angeles.
Yes, nothing calms down a situation like a military invasion.
In fact, that was part of my birth plan.
I was like, honey, I want candles, classical music, and 700 armed Marines storming the hospital room.
Also, drugs, lots of drugs.
You know what, scratch that, just the drugs.
beginning to wonder if Trump is intentionally trying to escalate this situation because more chaos allows him to portray blue states as centers of crime while positioning himself as a strong man that the country needs to rally around.
No, that's silly.
I'm sure he's just doing what's best for everyone.
Yeah,
I agree.
Although deploying soldiers in an American city could put Trump on the wrong side of the law again.
There is concern over violating the Posse Comitatus Act.
The Posse Comitatus Law says that the U.S.
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soil.
That's right.
Posse Comitatus.
It's a very serious legal principle.
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Been a tribute this morning to Brian Wilson who passed away.
Yeah.
And we've been playing...
A few songs from his library, and I'll tell you what, Doug out there in St.
Francis has a lot to do.
He's busy.
What was his suggestion?
His first text here is the car song the Beach Boys wrote entitled Rambler Ambassador.
Just too funny, actually.
Rambler Ambassador.
Wasn't one of their biggest hits.
Didn't sound well.
Didn't sound well.
Rambler and bastard.
Not
exactly a hot rod.
Not a surf car.
He also posed this question.
Trump invaded LA and Brian Wilson died of conspiracy.
Okay.
Thank you Doug.
But you know he followed that up with and then of course the Beach Boys wrote a song.
It didn't sell well.
No.
And they changed the lyrics to 409.
It was an instant hit.
Yeah.
A little unknown
history there.
Okay.
I
have to do some
fact-checking on some of Doug's texts now.
That's good.
Anyway, yeah, sad to hear of Brian Wilson's passing, 82 years old, and what a songwriter, man.
What a great, you know,
he was really the leader of the truth.
It was something from the mantra for a while, so.
Yeah.
But I didn't want to mention something about the protests.
We heard Desi Lydic talking about the military occupation of LA.
Right.
But
here's the thing.
We saw the pictures of the Burning Waymos.
These are the automated taxis that they have there in LA.
And the Waymos, by the way, why were they burning Waymos?
Yeah, why?
They were burning them because they have 360 cameras in them.
In other words, it's used as a surveillance device in LA.
I
never
thought about that.
So if those.
Cars are just sitting there.
Yeah burning.
They have cameras that just see 360 around and could identify anybody Wow, and so they decided to burn and destroy them That's in protest.
I had not heard that angle.
Yeah, that's a really interesting angle.
Yeah, I thought anyway,
I don't know Okay
Those protests are continuing
course
tomorrow big Saturday Saturday.
Yeah, the big no Kings the
women's marches and there will hold a flagship kick out the clowns action Yeah, and the greatest
S Show on Earth is how they are a title in it nationwide.
They skip the S word in the local announcement here.
Over 350 circus actions will take place in all 50 states and will showcase the power of the people and turn satire.
into resistance.
I like that idea.
You know, the activists will wear clown costumes in protest and what they call the Trump administration's clown show fascism with the goal of setting a record for the most circuses held on a single day.
There you go.
That's
interesting.
Yeah, it's going to be down on the library mall, uh,
at noon for two hours this Saturday.
So check it out, Library Mall this Saturday, noon to two, and again, it's the clown show fascism.
Yes, and then the No Kings protest.
No Kings protest.
Along with that,
or
right after that.
This is going on at the same time, the big show.
And they're gonna be done
at the Library Mall and then also at the Capitol.
There's gonna be a march from the Library Mall up
to the Capitol on King Street is where the
They'll all meet.
Right.
So that's happening.
And there's something like 1500 or 1600 protests, coast to coast.
Scheduled
for Saturday, no kings.
350 circus actions in all
50 states.
Yes.
But as far as the no kings protests.
Oh yeah,
that's huge too.
1500 or 1600 scheduled for Saturday across the nation.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's big stuff.
Well, it is.
I got a big complaint here and you know what?
You know what?
Well, yeah, I don't know how this happens.
Wait a minute.
But you know, I've, I've lived in this town for quite a while since 1980.
And that was before the South Belt line existed.
So we had to drive through Manona.
Oh, yes.
On Broadway.
I remember
those
days.
It was no fun.
Broadway was not a great street to drive through.
They had lights.
Yes.
And, you know, major traffic from Chicago to Minneapolis had to drive through there.
So, okay.
So anyway, um, I always said, why don't we have a North Belt line?
Why don't we?
So
that
comes up every once
in a while.
So it has been debated over these many years, right?
Like 50 years, 40 years, they've been debating this thing.
So what happened?
They, they snuck in and redid highway M from Middleton to Westport.
Okay.
And they rebuilt it.
And that should have been the North Belt line, but instead they built a Boulevard, which is nice and everything, but.
Goodbye possibility of a north belt line.
Well, maybe the people out there
don't want a belt line.
No, we want a belt line.
Do you want a belt line on the north side?
Do you realize
that?
Is it Governor Dodge?
The thing here is that people take the belt line up to Highway K and then they cut across with Highway K and they go through to Westport on Highway K, 55 miles per hour in there.
And then it goes to this new
Boulevard that they put in Wow, man, they just oh They they usurped the public on this one and I'm really angry about it.
It's real nice.
It's gorgeous You know speed limits like, you know minor 35 or 40 miles per which is ridiculous still slow But they have all these nice little bike lanes and little walking residential area Little little bridges and stuff like that.
I made it real safe and real friendly
I can't stand it.
It's so wimpy.
These people went out and they made the north belt line impossible to build now.
So there you go.
I just thought I'd bring that up.
A lot of people know what I'm talking about.
I'm with you, John.
I'm with you.
Tom, you just moved here.
We
need another belt line.
We do need another belt line.
We do.
We do need a north one.
And they just took that possibility out of the equation.
Thank you, Dane County.
I'm just done.
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Really?
Okay.
I know there are
freeways out there.
Okay.
Well, thank you for bringing up that issue.
I didn't know that was such a thing that's near and
dear to your heart.
They snuck rebuilding how we am up there.
They didn't sneak
it in.
They knew about it.
No one knew what was going on.
They got
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No one knew what was happening.
They did know
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No,
it's perfect.
Perfect stuff.
And it's kind of cloudy out here this morning.
It's muggy.
It's horrible.
Dew points are right about 60, I think.
Wow.
Yeah.
So it starts to get a little little humid.
So what can we expect for the rest of today?
We got the Madison Night Market tonight.
And I heard there might be a couple of sprinkles, but nothing really all that awful.
Right?
Well, no, probably not.
It shouldn't be too bad.
Oh, really?
Oh, I think the
worst.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The worst is going to be if you get anything this morning, right?
Um, you've got that little swath moving in from the West that could graze you here still this morning, but by about 10 to 11 o'clock, I think it's going to.
Fizzle out, start to lift north,
and
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or so.
I think those are going to roll through.
But again, more chances for showers and storms by Friday afternoon.
That continues into the evening, and we kind of get a little damp and dreary early Saturday before this whole system shifts on out of here.
this morning, Friday afternoon and evening, and then maybe Saturday morning are probably your best shots for chances of brain.
All right.
Well, that's that's we'll take that.
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Okay.
Yes, unfortunately, it's pretty thick up north, but it's starting to sneak down by you a little bit.
We're in an air quality alerts.
It's very unhealthy up here, but it should be gone by this afternoon.
It should ease probably around two o'clock.
Okay.
Okay.
Very good.
Brittany, well, thank you.
We appreciate that report.
We'll talk to you again tomorrow and check out what's happening weekend weather-wise at that
time.
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That's right.
In just a few moments, why don't we get to, you know, let's get to Pete Hegseth.
He was asked a few questions about... Before the committee.
Oh, I know, he was.
Congress?
And why don't we listen to Pete and answer he's given and the question also.
This is cut 113.
Let's listen.
Mr. Secretary, I probably won't surprise you, but I'm going to start with Ukraine.
And I'm going to ask you a series of questions that I don't want you to linger on any one of them, but answer the series of questions in one answer.
Number one, who's the aggressor and who's the victim in the conflict?
Russia's the aggressor.
Which side do you want to win?
As we've said time and time again,
this president is committed to peace in that conflict.
Ultimately peace serves our national interests and we think the interest of both parties even if that outcome will not be preferable to many in this room and many in our country.
Unbelievable.
What?
So we can't really say that he hopes that maybe the Ukraine people will win this war.
He just wants peace.
You know, I think you can have both,
right?
You know, you could hope that they win, but actually wouldn't it be nice to have the alternative and that is peace through negotiations.
Right?
So anyway, he couldn't say something as simple as that.
Instead would not say that Trump wants Ukraine to win.
That is their position on this thing.
Yeah.
And he had a similar exchange with Lindsey Graham.
Lindsey Graham was trying to nail him down on, you know.
Right.
Which side are we on here?
Exactly.
And then, of course, the story that didn't get a lot of press was that the drones, they had drones going to Ukraine to help them out.
And instead, they shipped them to the Middle East.
And it took the drones.
Yes, only the US did.
And they shipped them off to the Middle East.
So Ukraine didn't have the drones to fight off the drones from Russia.
Isn't that something?
They're just making them more handicapped in this situation, so they couldn't fight back.
It's unbelievable.
This is truly, I never saw a sellout to Russia like this in my entire life.
I can't believe this is happening.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's insane.
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Good morning, Jim.
Good to have you back with us.
Always good to
see
you.
Always great to be with you and delighted to be in conversation.
You know, we, I want to mention before we forget here that of course Saturday is the No Kings rally and you're speaking at a rally in Milwaukee, right?
That is correct.
One of
the speakers there.
Right rallies throughout the United States including right here in Wisconsin Madison all cities and beyond in Milwaukee There was one downtown in the east side at Cathedral Square as goes from 12 to 2 and After I'm finished with a certain radio program in the morning That we broadcast from our scene and happens to be on this wonderful civic media broadcast entity.
I'm going
come back to Milwaukee in about 1250 or so was when I'm speaking, but the entire program begins at noontime on Saturday, as it does in many other venues throughout the state.
It's
important to get together and hear each other, speak and discuss and talk and communicate about what's going on
in America.
Is that you on Law Review, an amicus of Law Review?
That's that's
what they tell me a memo about this and that's that's what I do now.
Apparently this Saturday as well.
Well, I wish they'd tell us here.
So here in Madison, we're expecting 15,000 people and that the no Kings.
protest and there are, as you mentioned, there's about 50 other protests around Wisconsin, around Madison area, McFarland, Stoughton, they're going to have protests, also Monroe, Nuglaris, Sauk City, Janesville, Baraboo, Dodgeville.
The list goes on and
off.
This
is going to be a huge day all across the country, more than 1,500 or 1,600 protests.
Coast to
coast.
That's right.
The activists for the Women's March will wear clown costumes in protest of what they call the Trump administration's clown show fascism, with the goal of setting a record for the most circuses held on a single
day.
I love it.
All
right.
To follow up on the messaging there, in addition to clowns, which is again a humorous but also a serious way of responding to what's going on in America right now, you recognize also that it's no king's concept ultimately comes from something almost a year ago, right?
When the United States Supreme Court, while Joe Biden was still the president, articulated for the first time in our nation's history this notion that our presidents are in fact immune from criminal prosecution, but more than that.
have this tremendous power.
You've got to be muscular.
You've got to be deaf.
You've got to be able to not be feeble and act very, very quickly and aggressively.
That was John Roberts who told us that on July 1 of 2024.
Donald Trump gets elected and
Again, it takes that up.
He's probably not intellectually acute enough to realize that that's what he's doing But but the reality is our Supreme Court gave him this authority to do that And so let's talk about that as well a Supreme Court is also doing things contrary to what has been the tradition in our nation for 239 years.
Yeah
By the way,
Catherine
Lake
joins us.
We didn't mention this
before.
Catherine is here.
Jim, it's so nice to talk to you.
Just before we came on the air, Pam Yankee did a farm report, and it was, I just heard the beginning of it, and it was talking about the fact that farm workers, of course, a lot of migrant workers in Wisconsin, are naturally feeling
nervous and don't want to be picked up.
I have a friend who lost an uncle in Milwaukee, got deported, not a migrant worker, but still anybody of Hispanic or Latino heritage is notably and understandably nervous.
But Pam was saying, Pam Yankee was saying, our farm director, that the farmers are communicating well with their people saying, we got your back.
We're not going to let this happen here.
But in LA, of course, that's what they're going after, migrant workers, right?
Mostly in LA.
So what's to stop him from doing the same thing there that he did here?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And that's the concern.
Again, to make this about a judicial order, there's this wonderful opinion that we talked about a couple of weeks ago.
of a judge named Wilkinson who raises Catherine exactly that issue.
He is responding to the Abraigo Garcia deportation, which we all know too much and too well in America.
We should not have to focus on these kinds of things.
But again, Judge Wilkinson says precisely that, Catherine.
He says, you know, if you go after people, again, without due process, without giving them the normal course of judicial review that we would get,
under any other circumstance, any other prior president, including, including Barack Obama, including all the others who preceded this president.
If you go down that road, what is to stop you from then going after anyone else, political enemies, people who articulate things, oh, say on a radio program that are not especially music to the ears of the president.
What is to stop that?
And that's the great concern.
And when you step forward and you protest and you exercise your First Amendment right to push back on that, what do we get?
We get the Marines who are called in.
Come
on.
And
it is just wild.
It is just wild.
It's not the tradition.
It is not.
It is not the rule of law history of America.
That is why it is appropriate to have
one's hair on fire right now about all of this.
Appropriate.
Maggie used that term all the time.
Hair on fire, hair on fire.
It's crazy.
And the thing that put my hair on fire was something I texted you last week in regards to the Supreme Court allowing Doge, Elon Musk, to go into the Social Security Administration's data.
And now we know that they actually did do that for sure.
manipulating it.
They're doing things with it, right?
I don't even know what I'm talking
about.
No, that's true.
No, you know exactly what you're talking about, Catherine.
That's exactly it.
So again, a couple of additional reasons to be outraged.
This was last Friday when the Supreme Court again in this shadow docket, we don't get any explanation from John Roberts.
We don't get the usual exposition of why we're doing this.
You simply get an order that says, we'll let them go ahead and do their work.
That's as close as we come from the Supreme Court describing the access.
And even while the underlying litigation is going on about whether or not they're long-term entitled to this, Supreme Court again granting this emergency application from the administration says, we've got to go in right now.
Bad things will happen if we do not get in this information.
What that is, we do not know.
And as of Monday, Catherine, you're just right, John Gordy.
And we've got access going in because the Supreme Court, my six of them have once again said, go ahead and take a look at all
this.
I can't imagine.
The
genie's
out of the
box.
Well, yeah.
You know, the whole thing here is that opens the door for all the other departments as well.
And they've already taken that information.
Then we hear, of course, about Palantir coalescing all this data into one solid.
administrative action, and then all of a sudden, now we can do anything we want.
We can find out where people live, how they vote, what they buy, what they're into.
We could use that against them.
It's so scary that this is going on, and we've got two, what, three and a half years of developing this and putting it into place.
What
does that term shadow docket do you use?
What does that mean?
Sure.
So this once again, this is the continuing complaint.
It has been used by private administrations.
It's this notion that while the lower courts, the district courts, the appeals courts, which again is a part of our process, while they're litigating, what happens is the government, in this case, your attorney general, your solicitor general, jumps to the Supreme Court and says, while that's still being decided, this is so important.
This is so important.
Stop any injunction from going in place.
Let us go ahead and do this.
Let the litigation go ahead.
But while those claims are being adjudicated, tell these folks that they can go in and do these kinds of things.
That's the shadow.
And that's the emergency application, the shadow docket.
Why, Catherine?
Because it doesn't come.
It doesn't come with the long 25, 30 page opinions where we may disagree.
But at least we've got an exposition about why.
And again, last Friday we've got a few paragraphs to your good points.
However, you also have, interestingly, a seven, eight page dissent by the three justices.
We know who they are.
It's Elena Kagan.
Sonia Sotomayor, Katanji Jackson, and to the point you're just making about why this is important, here is what what she says and it's accurate.
She's providing information about why this is important.
She says, you know, we know well that Americans entrust their information to this government agency.
It's social security numbers, birth dates, addresses, bank account numbers, medical records.
She says everybody's got a social security number.
in the SSA data is now exposed beyond the identification numbers, also detailed medical history, prescriptions, mental health treatments, testing results from applicants and beneficiaries.
She goes on.
And that's just one paragraph in this very long descent.
Again, her hair appropriately on fire saying, this is what's happening.
now, and they've got it as a Monday morning.
Talking with Jim Santel, attorney at law, it's 746.
Jim, last week, or maybe it was the week before when we were talking to you, we were talking about how the Supreme Court season is just about over.
I mean, they're
just
about, they're trying to wrap things up and hear all these legal actions are just flying through the courts.
Are they really actually going to be able to end their term here in the next couple of weeks?
Yeah, this is, this is the exciting time.
I think Catherine, John, Gordy, everybody's just got to stay on the air 24 hours a day.
This is the crazy, crazy time.
Light
ourselves
on
fire.
Right?
You don't have lives beyond
this, right?
This is
important work, right?
But we
do have about 25 cases and they're all going to be decided again, typically by the 4th of July, so that when we're celebrating our nation's birth, we can once again be probably horrified by many
of these things.
And including, including here, if just a few of them that are still on the docket, they're going to come out with rapid fire speed here.
Remember, we've got birthright citizenship.
That's going to be coming out.
We're going to be told whether or not the 14th Amendment means what it's meant for the past 150 years or so.
We've got this issue having to do with school, children's school books in Maryland and whether or not parents can stop.
Children from being exposed to heaven forbid LGBT stories
those
kinds of things.
Yeah, we've got issues related to whether or not
uh, uh, uh, transgender medical care can be provided to youths.
Again, that's out there.
Many other things coming up and likely those will be divisive cases,
uh,
likely six to three opinions coming out.
We have had a few recently, unanimous opinions, including one coming out of Wisconsin.
I mean, do with Catholic charities, but I suspect those days are somewhat over, at least for this term.
And very soon we're going to get this flurry of other matters.
Jim, there's just too much, too much to talk about, but we're out of time for today.
Are we?
Oh wait, no, we're gonna come back,
actually, I'm sorry.
We're
coming
back.
We're gonna
come
back after this mess.
We get Jim the whole half hour.
We do not mess around.
I apologize.
Jim Santel's time.
I apologize.
Oh my
gosh.
Get to it.
Sorry,
sorry.
We will be back with more from Attorney Jim Santel after this.
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And we've got him here this morning answering a few other questions.
And one of the big things that's coming up, the federal judge has green-lit a lawsuit challenging Elon Musk's position, the federal government, and doge as unconstitutional, okay?
You know, being a position.
that you actually objected to.
I didn't even think about the name Doge.
You said the D stands for department.
It ain't no
department.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
And again, it's it's the shorthand.
And so it's an easy way to refer to Elon Musk.
I call him the musk team of the musk group just because my my internal barometer tells me it's not a department that D of Doge is not real.
What are real departments from the agriculture state commerce labor justice.
And where do they all come from?
They're created by let's all say it together, the United States Congress, right.
And they're your legislators they put
into place as president at some point signs that legislation creates them, even the department of education.
Mr. President was created by the Congress and you can bring it down another point.
Here we've got, okay, we wake up one morning back on January 20th or 21st and we say, let's put together a new unit of government.
We'll call it a department because it elevated then to that level of legitimacy, which it doesn't have.
We'll bring in all these people.
We'll give them special assignments for a while.
I wonder to this day whether any of them have gotten background checks, which is what all of the other millions of government employees need to undergo.
And we let them loose, not only in the Social Security Administration, other places.
But we do that, again, without the institutional, the basic constitutional trappings that attend every other entity inside the government, even independent agencies like the Federal Reserve and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, creations of what?
the Congress.
Show me the legislation that creates this must group that is now rampaging through our our government and therefore absent that that is the challenge that you're just talking about now going into court and saying putting aside all the outrageous things they're doing how are they doing this what is their authority and the answer should be none and yet we've got a supreme court again as we said in the previous segment last Friday was saying
We're not even going to address that.
Go ahead and take a look at all this information.
It is a
stunning predicate.
Yeah, not all attorneys have your history.
You're a US attorney.
This must make your head just explode.
It does.
And there's so many things inside government.
Justice, the Department of Justice that I look at on a daily basis, this is one of them where you think about all of the appropriate limitations on access as an assistant U.S.
attorney, as the United States attorney.
You are reviewed, you are examined, you are your tax returns, your bank documents, before they will give you an authorization to enter court to do anything
And now in the past four and a half months, we've got just the opposite.
It does make my head spin in terms of the way that we have done things now.
We don't care about any of that.
Well, you know, I was hired as a handyman at the Veterans Department on the west side in Middleton, and they handle veteran records there.
And I had to be examined.
They had to go through my background.
I had IDs.
I mean, it is tough just to be a handyman at this place.
I was a horrible handyman.
It was terrible, but it was fun.
It was across the street from where I lived, so I was fine with that.
But anyway, yeah, it drives me crazy because I was with the Census Bureau as well, and they check your background, everything.
They really know who you are, and all of that is...
personal information, which they put under lock and key at the government.
And to have this happen, the public doesn't know how they wrap this up.
Jim, we have to leave it there.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll talk to you again next Thursday.
And you can always listen to Jim's Amicus, A Law Review, his excellent show on the Civic Media Radio Network every Saturday from 9 to 11 a.m.
Jim, thank you once again.
It's always an honor, my friends, take care.
It's always great
talking to
you.
Very good.
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