Spotlight on Wisconsin- A Message from Susan Crawford and Pat Dennis (Hour 1)

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for you this morning, a jam-packed Motown Monday on the Earl Ingram Show.

And we will begin with a very special guest.

Judge Susan Crawford, a candidate for the Supreme Court, is on the line.

Good morning to you, Judge Crawford.

How are you?

Hey, good

morning.

I am feeling good.

How are you guys this morning?

You know, I'm doing fine, but it's amazing.

I mean, you've been at this nonstop.

How do you feel?

I

actually am feeling really good.

I'm feeling pretty relaxed today.

We do have a busy schedule here in the last day of the campaign and a pretty packed schedule tomorrow as well and have been on the road pretty constantly here for the last few weeks.

But

You know, I'm just staying really focused on doing my job here as a candidate, helping to get the word out to voters, and we're just feeling

really strong.

Well, we're thankful that you have chosen Civic Media and the different shows on this platform.

We hope to turn out.

as many people as it takes.

This is as critical an election clearly as there is anywhere else in this country.

I am one of those throwbacks who votes the day of the election.

So, you know, everybody, everybody does an early vote, but there are some of us who are traditionalists, early voting and, and.

what we're hearing about the turnouts in the early voting.

Do you sometimes think that maybe when we get excited about the early voting, we really don't know if that's people who vote all the time and they've just decided not to do what I do and that's vote on the day of.

So are those numbers indicative of a broader turnout in your estimation?

Well, you know, Earl, I don't know these things because I just have never followed it closely enough.

But, you know, my campaign team thinks that the early numbers are, are strong and, you know, are encouraging, but I'm, I'm, you know, I'm a cautious person.

So I'm not putting too much weight on them.

I want to see great turnout on actual election day.

And like you, I'm voting on election day.

So, so as a, as a guy who's, you know, been around.

three days older than dirt, who has watched the state, who who watched the the conservatives control the state Supreme Court for well over a decade and watch what once was a state as I was a younger man that was looked at as one of the benchmarks of what a, you know, a state should be.

at Wisconsin had that reputation.

And I remember that well as a young man and people were proud that Wisconsin was one of those states that the rest of the country looked at as a beacon, as a harbinger of what great government should be.

Somewhere along the way, Judge Crawford, we lost our way.

Yeah,

yeah.

I think

we can get there again though.

Yeah, well, I clearly know just watching, you know a year ago justice proto say which and and after you know seeing Republicans totally control the state Supreme Court even though there's not supposed to be You know a bent either either Republican or Democrat Clearly that wasn't the case and to just see some light at the end of the tunnel

It is more than refreshing and critically important that you be elected so we can bring things back into into focus.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I think that we have seen with, you know, after just say with this election that the court is in my mind, they're making decisions based on the law and.

and doing what courts should do, which is to make fair decisions, impartial decisions, interpret our constitution without implying some kind of a partisan lens to it.

So I think that's great to see and I want to see it continue.

I think people should take into consideration what took place yesterday and a decision that was made by the state supreme court that, you know, for the lack of a better term.

has more left-leaning, and I hate to use that term, justices, or more democratic justices than those who are more conservative.

And Josh Call, the state district attorney, attorney general, talked about possibly blocking Elon Musk coming to the state

in and in giving away those, those million dollar, uh, you know, what, what would I call

them?

Payouts, payouts.

But,

and that's, and

that's kind, and that's kind.

But the fact that they didn't, the, the justices didn't side with him because he's democratic.

Is that what you're talking about with, with, with justices doing things in the right manner?

Well, you know Earl I don't know what went into the decision not to take that up and it might have just been practical considerations because I think that probably landed on their desks You know electronically at least maybe in the afternoon sometime and there was just a few hours to go before the rally took place and You know the state Supreme Court just doesn't move at lightning speed

It's just not how they're set up.

They're in appellate court and they're there to deliberate and, you know, consider briefs and do research and all this kind of stuff.

So it might've just been practical considerations that on the middle of a Sunday afternoon that they just didn't have, you know, the time and opportunity to take a considered look at it.

I don't know though.

I don't know exactly what went down.

Well, if you're just joining us, Judge Susan Crawford.

Crawford candidate for the state supreme court is on the line and we're excited about having there a day before the election.

I can tell you that I'm cynical and and as long as I've been around, I know if the shoe is on the other foot, uh, you know, they were to find a way to make it happen.

Anyway, so, so what do you want to say to those in this listening audience about the importance?

You know, Elon Musk was here yesterday.

you know, the wealthiest man in the world.

And there's been constant conversation about buying the election.

What are your thoughts?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I think that's what he's trying to do.

That's why he showed up and gave away a couple of million dollar checks.

And, you know, that's not the way democracy should work.

And it is really disturbing to see somebody like him, you know, see him in particular, the richest man in the world come in and think that he can buy a justice on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

So I hope that voters are thinking about it from that perspective, that that's not how elections should work in Wisconsin.

And we don't want to set a precedent that Elon Musk can just stroll in and

by a state justice, because if he could do it in Wisconsin, he'd be able to do it anywhere.

And not just judges or justices, but pretty much any local official that he wants.

And I think that's a really dangerous precedent.

You know, I heard your opponent on yesterday and even before say, if he's elected, he can, he can become, you know, a supporter for lack of a better term of president.

Donald Trump.

Is that what a Supreme Court justices position is?

Is that the way they should be looking at this?

Yeah, and you and I both know that are all right, but this is not the role of the Supreme Court.

They are not a partisan body.

They're not a political body.

They're there to interpret the law and protect the rights of the Wisconsinites under our Constitution.

So to hear him say that aloud that he wants to be part of a support network for Donald Trump on the Supreme Court is it's just really shocking.

And I think it is.

You know just the arrow that we're in that people on the right feel like they can say that kind of stuff and and and not just get away with it, but That there will be a lot of you know, I think his hope is that a lot of voters who supported Trump will Be in pretty enthusiastic by a judge who says that and that's that's just sad to me because it it shows that people are

You know, if people can buy that, then they just really understand, do not understand what our courts are for.

So if you are just joining us and just waking up, I'm joined by candidates, Susan Crawford, Judge Susan Crawford, who's a candidate for the state Supreme Court seat.

You know, uh, a judge Crawford, I will, I will say that all of this time that, that I have been cognizant of the state Supreme Court.

of Wisconsin.

Never could I have imagined that it would take the spotlight of the entire nation.

What is it about this race and about this seat that it has taken and captured the entire nation?

Yeah, well you and

me both Earl when I got into this last I announced my campaign last June and things were pretty different at that time from you know where they are today and I could not have imagined this blowing up the way it has and you know, I think it is just You know just a sign of where we are as a nation somewhat we have a lot of a lot of people across Wisconsin a lot of people across the country are

really deeply concerned about what they're seeing happen in Washington, DC.

And they're seeing Elon Musk kind of going wild in the federal government.

And then once he started taking an interest in this race and spending millions and millions of dollars, you know, he's, he's up to over $25 million of spending on this race.

And that's, that's more than my, and that's just the last.

two months or so and that's more than my campaign is raised across the course of the entire 10 months

campaign.

So

I think that's one of the big reasons why the nation has started really paying attention.

So I want to talk about that a little bit on the other side.

8-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 Judge Susan Crawford is on the line.

sorry that it had to end this way no reason to pretend we knew it had to end some day this way

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My guest is Judge Susan Crawford, candidate for the State Supreme Court.

You know, Judge Crawford, I was listening to your opponent the other day and he said,

If we don't win this election, we, meaning conservatives, meaning Republicans, we won't have a chance for another three to four years, we, and I can't help but constantly hear you say, this is not supposed to be partisan.

There are sometimes people on the other side of this Democrats who say, why don't we play

the same game they play.

It's they're out in the open.

But, you know, but yet you you and Democrats are above board in your response.

You say what?

Well, you know.

I think that Brad Schimmel has always been a partisan politician.

So he just can't get out of that mode of thinking, even though he's been a judge now for several years.

He's just that hard of partisan politician.

He views this as about the sort of red team versus the blue team.

You know, that's just how he views the world.

And it's just not how I view the world.

I've never really been involved in partisan politics.

And I view the role of a...

Wisconsin Supreme Court judge as an independent impartial judge who's there to make.

decisions based on their interpretation of the law and not what will advance the partisan agenda.

So, you know, it's disappointing to hear him saying things like that.

And I suppose that there are some people out there who might be disappointed to hear me say that, you know, I'm not running to be sort of part of a team.

I'm running to be independent and impartial as a judge.

But that's, you know, that's the way I view the job.

Well, you know, it's not only a matter of the way you view the job, it's the way the job was constructed to be.

Is it safe to say that?

Yeah, absolutely.

That is the way it was conceived to be.

I think going back to the framers of the Constitution, they viewed the judicial

department, as they called it back then, as not part of politics.

It was supposed to be very separate from the role of any parties.

You know, Judge Crawford.

It's too bad.

Like you said, it's too bad that these days everybody wants to see it as a...

partisan race, even though it's

not supposed to be.

Unlike conservative hosts, I don't tell people who to vote for.

I think people have a right to make those decisions themselves.

And we've got a couple of callers who I'm sure are probably supporting you.

You want to take them before we get out of here?

You don't have to.

I think

we've got a very, uh, short window.

Okay.

So, okay.

So that's fine.

No.

So that's fine.

So let me, so let me ask you, you know, in these last, um, three, three minutes that we have, why don't you, uh, make an appeal to this audience about how important this is and why they should vote for you.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm happy to do that.

Thanks Earl.

So this is, you know, this is a very important race and I think that is why the nation's eyes are on it.

It is going to determine the personal rights and freedoms of everybody listening and

That is because the Wisconsin Supreme Court takes up cases every year that are really important cases.

You know, they might affect things like the safety of your drinking water, the safety of your streets and communities, or your right to make your own personal decisions about your life.

So people should be paying attention.

And I have always believed that our laws and our Constitution exist to protect people's rights.

I interpret the laws for that purpose to make sure I'm protecting the rights of every Wisconsinite.

And I am humbly asking your listeners to give me their vote if they haven't already cast it tomorrow on election day.

You know, I want to say to you that from the first time I had an opportunity to interview you several weeks back, you've been steadfast, you've been steady.

You've basically been unchanged.

You've been the same.

You're a person who doesn't seem to be too big a moment for you.

Is that the way we can expect to see you on the

seat?

It is a big moment for me, Earl.

I don't want to suggest that it's not.

This election is very important, and I feel the weight of that as we go into this final day of campaigning and into election day tomorrow.

And I do feel a great sense of duty and responsibility, I guess, to carry out the role with integrity.

If I am elected, you know, I want to make sure that I'm doing the job that I'm that the people have entrusted

with me.

So it's something I take very seriously, but you know, I am sort of my personality.

I'm a pretty calm person, pretty like, I guess, judicial person.

It's just who I am.

So I think, you know, what you see is what you get with me.

And if I'm elected, I'm going to work really, really hard and take the job, you know, with just incredible seriousness.

Well, I'll add a caveat.

When you are elected,

I know I will and many others will be certainly voting for you and we'll have our fingers and toes crossed and our state needs to have you on the committee on the panel.

So good luck, keep up the good fight.

Well, thank you so much, Earl.

It was really a pleasure being on this morning.

All right, thank you.

You have a

good one.

You too.

Up next, a major Democratic super PAC, American Bridge 21st Century President, Mr. Pat Dennis, joins us once again to talk about this election and many other things on a Motown Monday of The Earling Room Show.

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He is a...

uh, the president of American bridges, 21st century, a super pack, one of the, you know, most powerful super packs, uh, for the democratic party.

Good morning, chief.

My friend, how are you doing?

And welcome back.

Um, thank you.

Thanks for having me back.

You got me, uh, you know, following the.

the real show, I'm after the candidate.

So I want to make sure everybody listens to her.

She knows what she's doing, but I'll do my best here.

Thanks

for having me.

Yeah.

So, so listen, uh, this race, I asked, um, the candidate, if she was surprised that this, this became the most important race in this nation.

Can you explain, you're in Washington, DC.

Can you explain why this became the most important race?

in the nation.

This is Wisconsin, man.

Not New York, not California, not Florida, not Texas, Wisconsin.

Hey, Wisconsin is important.

There's a few reasons.

Number one, different folks have different reasons.

This is important, right?

Wisconsin is important because you got to have fair maps.

It's a swing state.

You got a lot of really important things going on here.

The other thing is this is the first election just to happen right after Trump's election.

And you got a billionaire who wants to test the idea that, hey, can we come in?

And like, I know our poll numbers are dropping, but if the Republicans poll numbers drop, can we just drop a billionaire on a state and buy an election?

And it's the test case, right?

Because they know if they can do that now, they can keep cutting health care, they can keep going after social security, and then they can just drop money into states and maybe not lose too badly in the next election.

So unfortunately, you know, for folks like Elon Musk, it's become a bit of a science experiment, a sad one.

Yeah.

So let me tell you what I'm hearing from you.

I'm hearing from you that, that this is clearly sending a message that you are not going to run rough shot over, over this nation Republicans and conservatives and Elon Musk and, and maggots.

You're not going to run rampant over this nation.

We are going to put forth.

You know a bulwark To to send a message that this is not how it's going to be is that part is

That is a big part of this.

I should say the first reason to be voting here though is still that no matter what Elon says or what Trump says It's still to make sure you know, we can protect abortion rights in this state, right?

That we're not going back to this 1800s law to make sure we can just have fair maps and not just have Republicans choosing their own voters for their You know for who?

It's gonna elect them into Congress.

So like there's a lot of really important Wisconsin specific issues here Unfortunately, there is a second layer on top of it, which is like can these guys push us around?

Can they get away with what they're doing?

You know, they've got a bill up there in in the Senate in the house to basically cut

uh, $880 billion from Medicaid.

So that's badger care, right?

Yeah.

That is extremely important and extremely unpopular, but they want to say like, can, you know, can the money let us do these unpopular cuts?

We'll give the tax cuts to the billionaires.

The billionaires will give the money to these races.

And, you know, maybe we can win the election anyway.

You know, you talked about fair maps.

I'm a lifelong resident of the state of Wisconsin.

They haven't been fair maps almost since the time I was your age.

Okay, and and so, you know Just watching this and in many instances, I'll tell you I'd given up That they that they had captured this state and that it belonged to them So, you know, it's it's great to hear that, you know that there's people like you and your organization and others and clearly on a national scale

that realize it.

They're not fair maps in many states across this nation.

It's why the Republicans have control over 32 or 30 state houses over the last 10 years.

Yeah, that's completely true.

It's why they have you know more members of the house, you know, they Republicans have this thing where they'll They'll get a majority in the house and win fewer votes than the other side, right?

That's happened a number of times over the years and it's anti-democratic and it

It starts, you know, going way back in the years, but it's ultimately, we just, there's no one day you win this thing, but it's voting in off your elections like this one, it's staying in Bob locally and eventually we push back, we win, we take back fair maps and it's extremely important, both for Wisconsin and the country.

So all of these things clearly, and they're just building blocks, you know, you're talking about again,

uh, here and across states, democratic group to track state impacts of Trump's agenda.

You already talked about one that's really clearly, uh, critically important, you know, and, and medic, medicate and, and, but there are people who still believe, uh, Pat, that, that they're not going after these things.

They, they're not going after, uh, uh, social security.

They're not going, but clearly they're going after all those things.

Yeah, and Elon, I don't know if you watched Elon's little show last night, but he couldn't help himself.

He spent half the time talking about social security.

Saying basically that social security is a Ponzi scheme, which is something he's said for years, but also saying that it's full of fraud, right?

And you know that's not true because he's in there in Doge.

And what are they doing?

They're firing the people who...

investigate fraud.

They're firing the people who run the phone lines.

They're firing the people who your grandma calls to make sure if there's a problem with her check they can get it fixed, right?

It's not about

It's about taking these really important programs that people rely on and making sure that if they make the coverage a little worse, they make the customer service a little worse.

Everything, they undermine it just a little bit at a time.

And then they say, oh, we're going to privatize this.

We're going to give this to Goldman Sachs.

We're going to give this to Morgan Stanley.

And now they're really trying to go after these really important programs.

If you're just joining us.

My guest is Mr. Pat Dennis.

He's a part of America.

He's the president of American Bridge 21st century.

That's a one of the top Democratic super PACs.

Let me say to you, when you look at me, you're looking at one of those people who's on social security and Medicare.

I know exactly the impact of it.

And and it's a part of.

It's a part of my life and it's something earned.

It's your money.

It's absolutely that.

And so the more I hear people who are ill informed and people who are manga and others who bought into this, that they're not going to touch it.

Um, the more concerned I am because the more I hear.

the fact that even in the face of these things, those very same people who voted for them still don't think it's a bad thing.

Is it going to take them missing the check?

Is it going to take that?

It's going to take that, right?

For some of these people, look, you can't convince everybody of everything.

But the fact of the matter is they're going after the foundation of this program.

Eventually, you can only do that for so long for it starts to break.

And people rely on this.

I mean, as you said, this isn't some government benefit.

It's money that came out of your paycheck 30 years ago and is now coming back to you for retirement.

So the fact that they would cut the folks who are in charge of answering the phones, who are in charge of running the computer systems, they're closing the offices, right?

To make it harder for you to get that money back, right?

And then they had, they say it's fraud.

They say it's fraud.

That's your money.

It's not, it's not fraud.

And look, we should need to be taking care of fraud.

It's extremely important, but you don't do that by firing everybody.

Yeah.

Just can't understand it.

You know, you know, uh, Saturday, man, I was at a rally, uh, in Racine and it was a sign by grandmother and it said, Trump must you.

You've now peeved off.

Didn't use peeved off and use another word.

Uh, grandmas and, and yeah, you know, you, you, you, you, because you're coming after them.

You're coming after veterans.

You know, when you, when you talk, these are, these were third rails that my entire life, nobody would go after Democrats or Republicans.

because they knew what the outcome of those things would be.

This is just a, this is really a sign of where we're headed, right?

Yeah.

And the one thing I'd say about third rails, when you think about a third rail, right?

You touch it, you get electric.

That's

a, you know, they say, don't, don't touch social security, but that's not actually how it works.

You touch it and then it's up to the people listening to this It's up to the people whose families who themselves rely on these programs They got to do they got to be the ones who wipe bite back and say no don't do this No, don't touch this stuff and the first place they have an opportunity to do that is this election coming up tomorrow,

you know, you know Pat I will tell you as I'm at these rallies and I've said this many times certainly elections clearly critically important to it

But man, mobilizing, organizing people in the street, uh, what's the value of that?

It's important and it, it matters now and it matters for decades, right?

I was watching Elon's thing last night and somebody came in the audience and said, you know, what can we do to make sure, uh, Wisconsin schools 50 years from now are good, right?

And Elon's answer was.

I'm going to be on Mars in 50

years.

He doesn't care about Wisconsin schools, but the people who are on the streets right now, people who are meeting each other, people who are organizing, people who are figuring out ways to make their voices heard, those are the people who are not going to be on Mars.

They're going to be in Wisconsin in 50 years and those organizations are going to stick together and they're going to be helping people.

So this stuff matters in the long term.

You know, man, I'm so, I'm so happy that you and I have been able to connect because I can see.

just great conversations that we're going to be having in the ongoing, you know, time, um, because if, if people, if people really knew, right?

I mean, they're starting to find out now.

Elon Musk is an aberration.

He'll be gone.

He's on the scene and he's gone.

And Elon Musk, we wouldn't even be talking about Elon Musk.

If Donald Trump didn't give him.

Yeah.

He created this Frankenstein monster.

It's safe to say that, right?

It's safe to say that.

And yeah, it's just handing over the power of the government billionaire who wasn't elected.

And people get this.

You see this in the polls, right?

People will argue back and forth about Donald Trump.

His numbers are dropping.

I am obviously not a Donald Trump supporter, but Elon, his numbers are way below Donald Trump.

Nobody

elected this guy.

Yeah, he's not elected.

What do mean his numbers?

I don't care about his numbers, man.

He's not an elected official.

Yeah, and the fact of the matter is he shouldn't be in charge of cutting Social

Security

shouldn't be in charge of cutting Medicare You know there's they're in Wisconsin.

They're in Milwaukee just firing people left and right from the Veterans Administration Hospital, right?

Like people there are waiting longer for appointments because Elon Musk knows nothing about serving this country came in and said, oh, you don't need so many doctors.

Oh, you don't need so many support staff.

This hospital can run can run cheaper and it's it's everyday people who pay the price for this

stuff.

Oh man, it absolutely is eight five five seven five two forty eight forty two is the number.

My guess is American Bridge 21st century president.

It's a, it's a major super pack.

Uh, Mr. Pat, uh, Dennis, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, 48, 42.

Uh, Pat, you take a couple of calls.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

All right.

We'll do that on the other side.

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Let's go right to the phone lines.

Be brief, guys.

Brandon.

Brandon, good morning to you, man.

You have a question or comment?

Yeah, I just have a comment.

I just want to remind the voters of Wisconsin that it's the wealthy that are pitching this war.

It's not right against left.

It's not MAGA against Democrat.

It's the wealthy against the have nots.

It's the wealthy against us, the hardworking Americans, because if we were invaded by an aggressive force, I would jump into a foxhole with any American.

And you need to remember that.

So when you make this vote for this judge, remember you're voting for a guard rail.

They're trying to remove the guard rails that we have in our government.

Hey, Brendan, I wish I had more time.

Thank you very much.

You want to respond to that, Pat?

Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think enough people are talking about what Donald Trump is doing in terms of like war and conflict around the world, right?

Everybody sees the stuff he's doing with Greenland, right?

He wants to go invade Greenland.

Nobody wants that.

Everybody sees him making an end of me of Canada, which is just pointless and doesn't help anybody.

But the other stuff, he's threatened an Obama rant.

Yes, man.

Like, that is what he ran against that and he is actively threatening.

to start bombing the Middle East.

And it's a real, it's a real problem.

It was a lie that he ran on and folks need to stand up and oppose it.

You know, as I was listening to him threatening, you know, he represents the American people.

Yeah.

Right.

It's not some bully going on the street corner to fight another guy.

He's threatening to take the American people to war.

Right.

Yeah, if they don't do what I tell them to do, you know yesterday Well, Putin's pissed me off.

I'm angry who gives a rip about an individual being angry.

He's in them You know, he's a child man.

Come on.

He has a job to do and he's not doing it.

Yes, Ali quickly Ali you're up

I Was just wondering if Pat could help

people understand or find a way to hear what Elon Musk is actually saying.

Yesterday after the thing he said that $2 million buyout was a win to decide the representatives, the future of America state to state, and the future of the world.

So they're, they're thinking that they can just buy the whole world and have things the way they want it.

And we see the future that they, that they're bringing us right now.

Um,

can do.

Thank you very much.

Very well said.

Uh, you want to respond to that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Extremely well said, extremely important.

And you got to hand it.

You know, your attorney general there in Wisconsin, uh,

Yeah, has really worked hard to put an end to this but you know Elon Musk has expensive lawyers and he's gonna go through and do everything he can to try to buy votes

and the

number one thing you can do of course is vote against him show him it didn't work show me wasted his money But the other part is communicating this to people right taught showing the other states.

This is what they're trying here They're gonna try it on you next Pennsylvania saw this in the last election.

I think this is a tactic They're gonna keep trying to use and we're on there, you know, we're

on the phones, we're calling reporters about this in Wisconsin, but around the country, keep an eye out for these kinds of tactics because it's dangerous.

It's absolutely dangerous.

Well, he said yesterday, he's considering ways to serve a third term as president.

Listen, I don't want to hear, well, you know, that's not what he really means.

Every time he says something, somebody else has to come back and say,

That's not what he really means.

He knows what he's mean.

What he means is coming out of his mouth.

It's coming from his brain to his mouth.

And he knows what he's talking about, Pat.

This is this is the the wicked road that we're headed on.

Yeah.

And I think everybody learned on January 6th, 2021, exactly how he feels about leaving office.

And that was a crisis that was a crisis that he caused and.

Honestly, in the aftermath of that, he was forced to leave, but the man does not ever want to give up power.

That is what's so fearful, because now he's kind of got things circled.

He's got the wagon circled.

And so we've got a lot of fear.

Look, man, look, I'll be reaching out to you.

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you

All right, welcome back to The Earl Ingram Show.

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He is a U.S.

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The 2021 winner

of the Carter G. Whitson Memorial Award from the National Education Association.

The Association for the Study of African American Life and History has conducted seminars at over a dozen college campuses around the state of Wisconsin, traveling to over 50 communities, conducting lectures, workshops, and facilitated dialogue sessions on American history.

He is the winner of over 20 awards for his work as a journalist and activist supporting.

closer race relations within multiple communities throughout the state.

And if I, and if I said any more, we would be out of time.

But with that backdrop, I welcome back, uh, my good friend and, and compadre who's joining me every Monday, uh, on the Earl Ingram show, none other than Mr. Reggie Jackson.

Hey man, welcome back.

Yeah.

Happy Motown Monday guys.

Good to be back as always.

You

know, man.

Uh, you know, I started this conversation.

I mean, this introduction with you being a U S Navy veteran.

And yesterday I heard that Donald Trump, he actually has watching me depress as I do every Sunday morning.

And Donald Trump called Christian Welker, I guess, before the show and said to her,

This is the president of the United States.

If Iran doesn't do except this nuclear agreement, we're going to bomb them like they've never been bombed before.

And what what what kind of what kind of madman?

A president of the United States, does he not understand?

What is there's an old axiom loose lips sink ships?

Man, what kind

of apparently nobody told him about that?

What what what are your thoughts?

Well, you know, he's been, you know Desiring a war since back during his first administration and you know, he thinks he can just bully any and everybody

But eventually, every bully runs into the same thing.

Somebody's going to stand up to them and say, OK, try me.

And I don't think that the American public are asking him to do this.

I don't think that there's a strong amount of support from Americans for us to get into another never ending war.

Americans are tired of all of these wars.

And to start a war over something as

Just stupid is this because these people won't do what you tell them to do.

They do have minds in their own They have a country to run as well, and they don't generally accept outsiders telling them what to do He thinks he can bully everybody or unfortunately,

you know, what is what is it green?

What's the what's the nation green?

Greenland Greenland

he's

still he said that we can do this

peacefully or with the military.

Taking over Greenland, I mean, he said we can do it with the military, man.

Do people not understand what's transpiring here, Reggie?

Do they not?

Those people who are MAGA, those people who clearly don't, can't seem to understand the rationale or the reasoning.

that when a man is representing the most powerful nation on earth militarily, when he makes statements like this across the world, that there are people listening, don't they get that?

I don't think they get it, Earl, and I doubt that many of them could find Greenland on a map.

Or Iran on a map.

I don't think that they'd be able to find it if you offer them a million dollars They wouldn't be able to find either those countries on the map without without you know using Google Well, I mean I mean

Reggie.

I'm just saying he's the president of the United States He's acting like he's the easy the kid on the playground that's bigger than everybody else Was probably that's who he is.

That's what he's done all his

life

Yeah, I mean once a bully always a bully until somebody makes you stop being a bully and you know We as as American people are gonna need the ones that suffer from this foolishness if he starts wars He's not gonna go and fight a war He's not gonna be on one of those naval ships that I served on when I was in the Navy fighting in the war zone He's gonna be sitting comfortably at his golf course in Florida, you know eating

McDonald's while American, you know, military personnel are being killed in a war that he started.

You know, Reggie, it's pretty safe to say that just, you know, based on his rhetoric that sooner rather than later, we're going to be involved in the skirmish.

Is it safe to say that?

I mean, a major

skirmish.

I wouldn't doubt it, Earl.

You know, he's unhinged in such a way that he thinks he can do whatever he wants to do, and he has nobody in his administration that has the courage to, you know, stop him from doing what he wants to do.

I can't think of a single person that's in his circle of, you know, cabinet ministers that have the intestinal fortitude to tell him to stop this foolishness, because I haven't heard any of them speak out against this.

You know, I have to

say

this.

Oh, go ahead, Reggie.

Yeah.

So I don't know what's going to save us from this man.

You know, I have to say this.

You know, he says Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.

We're not going to allow them to have a nuclear weapon.

And I have to say to Americans who say that.

North Korea has one.

You know, India, Pakistan and many European countries.

America has the most upgraded nuclear weapons to anybody else in the world.

To say to a nation, we aren't gonna let you have one.

Man, what is that, man?

Come on, man.

Well, you know, we can't allow them to have a nuclear weapon because they may use them.

Who's the only nation that ever used them?

Exactly.

is

that the nation that's telling them they can't have one man you know it's it's it's the height of insanity reggie

yeah insanity and hypocrisy

yeah

well yeah how can you tell these the sovereign nation what they can and can't have based on how they want to defend their own nation

Can you imagine somebody telling the US we can't have nuclear weapons?

This is this is how we react to that.

And then to say to those people that if you don't agree to my terms, we're going to bomb you.

Right.

I mean, come on, man.

The last time I checked, they have a military of their own.

And I don't think they're going to just, you know, back down and not do something if they're attacked.

They're going to respond.

So Reggie with the weapons they have as well.

So Reggie, let's get to this.

So Donald Trump's administration.

Was too soon to end federal workers rights to negotiate.

So so so wait a minute now.

Yeah.

And sometimes you just wonder maybe people get what they deserve.

Many of these people voted for him.

Right.

I mean, I mean, you know, all of us suffer, but he's going to he's going to basically sue and take away the rights of federal union workers to negotiate except for police and fire.

Amen.

Tell me maybe I don't see what's wrong with that, but tell me what's wrong with that.

This is a continuation of, you know, what Scott Walker did.

here in the state of wisconsin would act in or exact same playbook uh it doesn't surprise me at all you know these attacks on unions have been ongoing for decades and this is just the latest salvo uh you know americans fought and died literally to to uh you know unionized a hundred years ago uh because that what they thought was right for you know workers to have some power

over how there were places, you know, treat them.

And this man wants to just say, well, you know what?

We don't we don't believe that you deserve to have a say so and how you treat it at work.

We want to treat you however we want to treat you.

You know, Reggie, and as you

said, and as you stated, the hypocrisy in it, except for police and fire.

Right.

OK.

So so they're OK.

It's OK for them.

To negotiate but nobody else Now you're right.

It's the exact same thing that Scott Walker did police and fire didn't have to adhere to act 10 Right, and so that's why police and fire support those kinds of people Because they're looking out solely for them

Yeah, exactly you know

because police and firefighters are typically pretty popular members of the community, Earl, you can, you know, you can exempt them.

And, you know, people like, oh, that's good, you know, we shouldn't be forcing them to do this, but we're okay with them forcing teachers to do it, which I'm sorry, Earl, as a former teacher, I think that teachers are the most disrespected profession in the country.

And what nation, Earl, devalues education so much that they want to take

away union rights from teachers and then eliminate the Department of Education and eliminate billions of dollars.

Here's a lunatic.

Police and fire are important.

The other ones are not.

A lunatic.

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Let's let's go to Dale

Hey, good morning to you, Dale.

You have a question to comment for Reggie Jackson.

Well, what I have is I wanted to say something about Greenland.

Go

ahead.

Go ahead.

Okay.

These things may sound crazy, but we're living in a crazy time.

I think Greenland and Denmark need to be alerted.

that if they give the Trump administration access for additional military bases on Greenland and in essence having the U.S.

in control of Greenland, you will end up also having Russian troops in the country of Greenland.

I think the supposed interest in Greenland minerals is a diversion and doesn't explain the intense interest in Greenland by the Trump administration.

I don't think that gaining control of Greenland has anything to do with protecting the United States from Russia or China, as Vice President Vance has suggested.

I think gaining access to Greenland is part of a preliminary wartime strategy against Canada, Alaska, because Putin wants Alaska and against the lower 48 to install an affair

and government in the US.

And lastly, I think we all have to keep our eyes and ears open to what is going on in the Trump administration.

We all have to be woke.

Nothing can be discounted or ignored.

Hey, Dale, you are a man whose eyes are wide open.

And thank you for that information.

You want to respond to any of that, Reggie?

Yeah, yeah deal.

Thanks for those comments.

I appreciate it and listen Let's not make the assumption that the people in Greenland and Denmark aren't smart and don't don't see through all of this foolishness They know exactly what's happening.

These people are intelligent enough to know that regardless of what JD Vance has to say that their attempts to steal Greenland are related to you know, something That's not related to what they're saying these people are intelligent people

And they're not going to fall for these tricks.

Well, he's talking

military.

I'm just looking at the latest news on on the television there.

And he's and he's he's throwing around the term military, Reggie.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

Listen, I pay attention to what people do, not to what they say so much, Earl.

OK.

And listen, they have not given the American public any justification that's rational of why they want Greenland.

They have not specifically said, we want Greenland because of X, Y, and Z. They've used some very just generic language.

They have not been transparent about why Greenland is so important to US sovereignty or anything of that nature.

It's just a trick, Earl.

This is what people who are bullies do.

They try to outfuscate the situation by not telling people exactly what they want.

But people are smart, Earl.

You know,

people in those other nations are.

I'm concerned about the American people.

I'm concerned about the American people who who think that whatever Donald Trump thinks is OK.

And so because Donald Trump thinks we should take Greenland and as Dale pointed out, the military reasons that may be.

behind it.

There's inherent danger associated with moves like that, Reggie, right?

Like, World

War III.

I want to see how many of those people that are in support of this are going to go and join the U.S.

military to fight in this war against Greenland.

How many of them are lining up at the Army, you know, recruiting station right now, the Navy recruiting station, Air Force, Marine recruiting station?

If there's so much in support of it,

show your support by joining the U.S.

military.

They have been having trouble recruiting people for a number of years.

They need new people.

If there's so much in support of this policy, go ahead and join the U.S.

military.

You know, put your words into action.

That's what I want to see these

people do.

Or send your sons or your grandsons and daughters,

right?

Exactly.

You

know, it's a whole different game when it's somebody else's, you know, children.

That you're sending I guarantee you Donald Trump's children and grandchildren won't be engaged Because

he's the same guy.

No, that's what this is my point man, you know, you know, that should be some something that prevents you if You use every option you could to make sure you didn't go You know bone spurs or whatever it was

from you sending other people's children off to fight and die.

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Excuse me.

Uh, so, so Reggie, before we go to the phone lines, I wanted to, um, you're, you're, you're a guy who's fought all of your life.

Man, you've, you've been fighting.

For, for things to be fair and equitable and for people to be able to see one another as human beings in the look beyond color and race and creed.

all of those things that that man has created to separate one another.

You now see we're at a point in time where this this man and many others like him are looking to separate us clearly and to go back and to go back and send a message that our history and what happened in those times.

I should never be done away with.

What do you say to that as, as a black man who's, who certainly, you know, spent, spent your time fighting for this country, you know, in the military, you, you didn't see it as, as a person who, you know, was, was, was there for anything other than fighting for the nation?

Did you see it?

Did you see yourself as a black?

You know veteran or do you see yourself as an American veteran?

American veteran Earl that the ship that I served on when I was in the Navy was the USS Missouri That's the ship that the Japanese signed surrender on at the end of World War two very proud member of you know that crew 1500 men on board that ship from all over the nation And you know when push came to shell we were all in it together

We didn't fight each other based on entities, arbitrary labels we placed on each other.

In times of need, we had to rally together and that's what we did and ignored all of those labels.

That's what's required when you're in the military.

You have to set that foolishness aside because it doesn't matter.

When you're in the middle of the Pacific Ocean or as we were in the middle of the Persian Gulf and we have a Warning that somebody is locked a missile onto our ship.

You know, you're not thinking about you know being a black person at that moment You're thinking about man, you know, we're all in danger together

You know Reggie, let's do this.

Let's go to Mike from Kenosha.

Thank you very much for waiting Mike.

You say what?

Good morning.

Thanks for taking my call on the Motown Monday

Yeah, and what are we waiting for, Reggie?

That is a great question for sure.

You know, we're talking about union organizing and how this has been pretty much relegated to exclusively police and fire by the right wingers.

I can't help but think to myself, what?

What is more unconstitutional than allowing a small group to unionize and the rest of us and say, you know, I don't say it.

It doesn't make sense.

Why is this still unsettled law?

Why are we still fighting for union representation when business groups, they have their organizations by the thousands?

But again, getting back to, you know, if police and fire can have unions, why can't steamfitters and the German electricians?

Why?

I mean, I don't get it.

Can somebody help me with this?

Well, you know, Mike, this was already settled.

It's it's it's it's Donald Trump and and the people who support him you turn your radio down Yeah, it's it's it's Donald Trump and the people who support him union rights have been fought and won and It's Donald Trump and and people of his ilk who are trying to turn back the clock once again, you know

And so that's the part of this.

And Reggie, that I always say, it's hard to have compassion for people who voted for him, right?

Reggie, I mean, people say to me, well, you should have compassion, Earl, for those people who voted for Donald Trump, because they didn't know what he was going to do.

What do you say to that?

I don't believe that.

That's nonsense.

Listen, this man has shown who he is for a number of years and people who say they didn't know.

Listen, you can bury your head in the sand for so long, but eventually you got to pull it out of the sand so you can breathe.

Those of us who have paid close enough attention to this man are not surprised in the least bit by this stupid stuff he's doing.

And listen.

We as Americans are all in this together.

All of us are going to suffer because of those people that voted for this man.

You know, they had their reasons, their rationale for voting for him.

I don't, you know, I don't discount anybody's reason for voting for whatever candidate they choose, but you have to understand their consequences to that decision you make.

And we're all dealing with the consequences of decision that 77 million people made last November.

You know, Mike, in response to.

Uh, what you said about the fact that police and fire, I don't know.

Okay.

Uh, the black, uh, the fact that police and fire should somehow be exempted.

Uh, I, I've said this and you know, I got friends that have either been in the fire department or are or are police as we speak, you know, and, you know,

You you volunteer to do that, right Reggie?

Nobody makes you nobody makes you nobody drafts you to become a policeman or a fire fighter Those are things and decisions that you consciously make and And so you know to say that we're gonna make sure that they get special treatment Listen there people who put their lives on the line all the way through this

You just stated the military.

Those guys, they're not getting special treatment.

As a matter of fact, you're getting a short day.

Veterans are getting the short end of the stick.

So it's it to me, it's an insult to say we're going to protect police and fire.

And but but veterans.

Reggie.

You know, this is the thing about this, to me, Earl, the people that support this and say, yeah, the police and firefighters should have these rights and no one else should.

These are the same people that five minutes later are going to complain about how bad the schools are.

And just ignore the fact that the teachers unions have been decimated in this state in terms of their power.

Wisconsin was dealing with the teacher shortage before Act 10, and it's only been exacerbated by that just foolish legislation.

We're living in a society where the future is based on how well our kids are gonna do, and we're putting our kids in a position where they're not gonna have the success they have.

We're having a great deal of trouble recruiting teachers to the state of Wisconsin, and this is gonna spread around the country.

because our educational system will continue to suffer because nobody wants to be a teacher when their unions don't even have the right to negotiate for them.

Why would you want to become a teacher?

I haven't heard the leaders of the police and firefighters unions say that they should be exempt, that they're special.

I haven't heard them come out and say that.

All right, let's go to Al from Milwaukee.

Good morning to you, Al.

You say what?

Good morning, gentlemen.

Good

morning.

I've been telling you this over and over and over.

I told you that man was going to put us in a war.

And I told you that his job right now is to kill people to the point where he can get to all the resources and the money.

And everything he's doing falls in line with what he started doing in 2016.

And everything you talked about today is about his plan.

He don't care about American people.

He don't care about nothing but money.

And he's trying to make himself richer than his running buddy from South Africa.

And they're just two fools.

And the thing that bothers me the most is Congress will not step up and represent the people who sent him there.

Hello?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

You want to spoon out?

Yeah, yeah, thanks.

I agree with you, you know Congress is you know delinquent in this whole situation They are not doing what they're supposed to do and when I say Congress I mean specifically the Republicans in Congress who were voted into office Listen, they were voted into office to represent their constituents and they are not representing their constituents They're simply allowing this man to do whatever he wants to do You know destroying the federal government

And all of us are going to suffer because of that.

And their representatives in Congress are sitting there saying nothing about this.

They are not representing their constituents.

They are simply sitting there as if they are on mute.

They're not pushing back against this craziness by this man.

And all of those people that voted for those individuals, I'm not some of the ones that voted for Trump, I'm some of the...

People have voted for all of these individuals that are in Congress, whether they're senators or members of the House of Representatives.

They should be up in arms about what their so-called representatives are doing in Congress, because they've simply done nothing, Earl, to push back against this man.

All right, let's go to David from San Francisco.

Good morning to you, David.

Do you have a question to comment?

Yeah, on a slightly different topic, you know how Trump is basically trying to create a fake economy, and there's an opportunity here.

Out here in the San Francisco Bay Area, we have a thing called Market Match.

And if people, you know how Trump and Elon are trying to cut SNAP and they're trying to cut welfare programs and they're trying to cut social security and Medicaid and Medicare.

So with the food situation, the farmer's markets, if you've got SNAP, you go down to the little central booth in the farmer's market and you show your SNAP card.

And you say, I want $25 worth of Snap, you know, farmer's market money.

Well, they'll give you an extra $20 in the farmer's market as a loss leader.

It's totally legal out here, and I believe it's totally legal in all 50 states.

And so it not only helps the local economy, you know, the local farmer's markets, the local farmers,

They give, uh, you'll get virtually twice as much food as, you know,

your

snap card.

And it, it's a way of helping the local economy.

So, so David, for the sake of time, what it's, what is it you want to say?

Jack, I'm in old David.

Okay.

He's gone.

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Let's go to Jack from Merrimack.

Good morning to Jack.

You say what?

Good morning.

Well, a couple of things.

First of all, I look at online postings that show the facts of what's happening in Washington.

and just the destruction of any semblance of the democracy that we had.

I'm

not a little guy, but I look back into the 50s, and I remember these Joe McCarthy, and I remember a thing called the House on American Activities Committee, and believe me, we've got a use for that right now.

But the second thing I'm thinking of,

There are people that post online and somebody puts down some facts of destruction of the FDA and the dangers that it poses, and you get laughter emojis on it.

People that are that incredibly tribal just it amazes me.

They don't realize what's happening.

The second thing I'm going to say is that I cannot see any way.

that the MAGA party could possibly survive this as any kind of a power in the future if they allow legal, honest elections, even the limited legal and honest elections that

we

have where there's all kinds of jury manuals, where there's voter suppression, all that sort of stuff.

People are going to get so sick and tired of this stuff, and many already are, that...

Most of these people are going to be voted out of office because they are simply allowing this to happen.

Which means to me, this is something we absolutely have to watch out for.

And Trump's already trying to take over the federal election commission.

If that happens and he's declared the next election by Gully, you're going to have to have your passport.

or a real idea.

Point is they're trying to suppress the vote even more.

And this is getting to the point where we're going to have a dictatorship here.

They're going to actually get their 50-year right.

I mean, I'm out of the rule.

Hey, Jack, I wish I had more time.

Thank you.

Reggie, you want to respond to any of that?

Well, listen, I agree.

You know, these attacks on the voting rights are.

an ongoing attack.

This is nothing new.

We've been seeing this happen for many, many years.

And it's finally hitting some people that didn't hit before.

It's finally hitting the white community.

And so as long as it was devastating the rights of blacks and others to vote, everybody was OK with it.

But now that white people's ability to vote is in jeopardy, all of a sudden, it's a crisis.

It's been a crisis for us for a long period of time.

It's nothing new for

us.

Let's go to Marlene from Walkershow.

Good morning to you, Marlene.

You say what?

Good morning, Earl.

I hope this isn't off topic, but there's one point that I don't think a lot of people understand when I'm encouraging people to vote for Jill Underly for the DPI head.

When people talk about voucher schools, a lot of us think about maybe the.

Religious school we went to a Catholic or Lutheran school as a child and helping these people out while a lot of the voucher schools now are actually for for profit corporations and I just realized that recently myself because they built one in in Waukesha that just opened this year and these are people that are you know corporate people from Wall Street

investing in taking over public education and making a dollar off of it.

And they do not have to follow the same requirements as the public school.

Thank you.

Hey Marlene, thank you very much for that call.

You know Reggie, we've been knowing about vouchers for a long time in the city of Milwaukee, right?

Not all over the

country?

Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, it's a brazen attempt to take public school dollars and use it for private schools, regardless of whether they're religious schools or not.

You're taking public school dollars and giving it to private businesses to make money.

It's not just the schools, but they have tutoring programs, a lot of other things that they're using this money for as well, Earl.

And it's a crisis.

I mean, I mean, you're a former educator.

And so you know, as I've said to many other people,

I'm not anti-private schools, but not at the expense of public schools, man.

Yeah, I mean, come on, man.

Yeah, exactly, Earl.

That's the part I don't think that people generally talk about is where those dollars come from for the vouchers.

The state gives...

the local school districts money and then that money is then taken by the local school districts and given to the parents of those children so they can use their vouchers to go to a private school or literally taking public school money.

Hey, Reggie, thank you as always, man.

We'll see you in a week.

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See you again on tomorrow.

in Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats, they're

eating...