Hey, what's happening?
This
is
a new recording, man.
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Good morning to you, Cardi.
I was going to ask you how you're doing, but I already know.
It's Friday, man.
I got a sore throat today.
This weather's been dealing with me.
Yeah.
It's Friday.
Can't hear my co-host.
He's saying something, but I can't hear him.
Can you hear me now?
No, I said my co-host.
Oh, hold on.
That's Sandy Williams.
Good morning to you, Sandy.
How you doing, man?
How you doing?
We always talk about the weather.
It's going up to 74 degrees
today.
I know, man.
I know I wish it could be 74 tomorrow because I'll be back here in Racine for a rally for democracy, a Democratic party of Racine County, Racine Resistance Groups tomorrow, 10.30 a.m.
Racine Monument Square, Congresswoman Glenn Moore, Assembly Leader.
Greta Newbauer, Angelina Cruz, Assembly Representative, Social Security, Medicare, Veterans Affairs, Medicaid, Public Education, Civil Rights, and more.
And it's gonna be a demonstration.
Demonstrate your freedom of speech with signs and flags, 11 a.m.
program with featured speakers.
So Sandy, I'm doing my civic duty.
Yeah, I suspect that the ICE officials will be there to make sure that there's no one that they can't grab for speaking out of line, put them on a plane and take them to El Salvador.
Well, you know, you know, anything is possible today, Sandy.
We got a lot to talk about today.
But I first want to say, man, like you said, 74 degrees, man.
Can you believe that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and one day the things we normally talk about the the weather the bucks Basketball generally, you know, this is this is basketball madness now for a while and unfortunately the Bucks have stubbed their toe a bit with With Damien going down, but you know, I think they're gonna be okay to be honest with you I think they play all right without him.
Yeah.
Well, you know, they're not gonna go very far first round maybe in
You know, if they, if they get passed, if they, if they wind up playing Indiana the first round without Damian Lillard, it's a wrap.
But anyway, Sandy, you know, sports, as much as I love you and I love sports, it's, you know, we can't, it's got to prioritize.
And since you're only on with me a couple hours a week now,
Man we have to talk about Where we are sandy this the the the earth is caving in on
itself one guy well, you know Yeah, I mean what I've always said is that I'm not that
I'm not that concerned about policies and shifts in policies.
I have a preference in what the policy ought to be.
But policies are what elections are about.
And if they could run things through Congress and change policies in the normal process, that's the way the system works.
But what we're watching right now is completely a reversal of the norms of process.
policies are being rammed through, not by congressional action, not by the will of the people, but by executive fiat.
I mean, Donald Trump, they've worked it out so that this has become Donald Trump's personal government in the same manner that the government would become personal to a dictator.
And he's able to turn all of the guns of government on any foe that he chooses, whether it be law firms that crossed him up somewhere along the way.
He's just put out an executive order with respect to a law firm that related to a law firm where Robert Miller was a partner long ago and then was once again briefly involved with them.
But I mean, the only reason.
that he's turned the guns on this major law firm is because Robert Mueller had been a part of it.
I mean, that's strictly personal vendetta.
And it wasn't the law firm that was involved in the Mueller in the Mueller investigation.
It was Robert Mueller.
Well, you know, saying individually, not as part of that law firm.
Well, Sandy, that's not surprising.
Remember the group of people who were charged with investigating
Donald Trump in January 6 and all those people that were Congress people
in Congress.
Yes, he went after them.
Well, and he's still is presuming that he might go after them.
He's claiming the pardons to them were null and void in a specious kind of illegal argument, which I think was opening the door for the notion that now he can sick the Department of Justice.
on them for the purpose of harassment, because there's no potential that you could get a sitting Congressperson to be held liable for things they do in their capacity as Congresspeople on the floor of Congress.
It's crazy.
But I mean, I think that the American public, the law firm thing is representative of...
other things that he's doing, which is to basically threaten individuals, businesses, corporations with suffering all of the slings and arrows that his government can aim at them to try and ruin their life if they bother to be contrary to his view.
I mean, what's happening is we're watching a government that's pursuing ideological purity everywhere.
no dissent anywhere.
And if there is dissent, it will be squashed.
The threats he made to the law firm were threats not just to withdraw government business from the law firms themselves, but to withdraw government business from any client of that law firm, which was obviously a potential ruin to a client, to a client and to the law firm itself.
And so that's...
That's bringing down the reins of government on something in a manner that's never been seen
before.
Well, Sandy, he's done it to universities, okay?
You didn't do the things that you should have done to stop the dissent on your campuses, so we're gonna make sure you don't get any resources.
Well, and the
amazing thing is that then the people are called into the president's office
to negotiate with the president directly.
So the president of Colombia had to sit down in the president's office and negotiate the terms of the renewal of this $400 million of grants with the president.
And the head of the Paul Weiss law firm had to go sit with the president and negotiate with the president about what it is that the government would or wouldn't do to them.
That's never been done before.
The president doesn't get involved in prosecution.
or the issuance of grants or the decisions about them in the manner that this president is doing.
So we're watching this before our eyes.
It gets worse every second of every day.
And it seems more and more distant that anything can be done to correct it.
And so it's only been two months, man.
Well, I mean, it's because of this shock and awe approach to the use of government tools against.
individuals and it's being done purposefully.
These ICE arrests of people are being videoed by ICE themselves and they're making them the objects of chilling terror so that the public understands what can happen to them if they stick their head up and say something contrary.
So, you know, the only allegation against these students who've been arrested is that they spoke out and asked questions about the policies with respect to
Palestine that was enough apparently to get them expelled and expelled Unceremoniously you know in shackles well, and and so you know that I think this is designed to be chilling not just to immigrants But to the American public and that's the same reason as well that these assaults are made on these law firms The government Donald Trump is trying to make people understand if you cross Donald Trump
All hell will break loose.
It's the same kind of conversation that he used about how he would treat Hamas.
You know, all hell will break loose.
Holy hell will break loose.
That's what he's demonstrating will happen to anybody in the United States.
If they if they bother to dissent or if they bother to pursue an analysis of history, for instance, that runs contrary to the ideologically pure analysis of history that's being required now.
So,
Sandy,
you
mentioned this
Smithsonian.
You and I have been around.
Well, you and I have been around a while.
So we know.
This is who Donald Trump is.
He's always done this.
I don't care even in his private business He's anybody who would cross him There would be a price to be paid And so
this is who he is Yeah, but I don't think you know in his first administration.
He didn't understand the tools of government He didn't have facilitators around him who were one who wanted to facilitate this kind of conduct
on his behalf, now he has accomplished that.
He has put all of the people in place around, in the government, in the various jobs that are responsible for public policy.
And they are people who want to facilitate this form of personal conduct by Donald Trump, this kind of personal control of the government, apparently, because that's what they're doing.
And to be honest with you, what's happening now,
This is not policy I'm arguing about, it's process.
And what's happening with process is unfathomable.
I couldn't have imagined it.
Elon Musk.
telling yesterday, last night, telling the world that the United States government will come down on those left-wing propagandists who are filling the heads of people with kinds of ideas which might be driving them to attack Teslas.
Now, there is no left-wing leader who is telling people to attack Teslas.
So what's happening is he's basically saying left-wing conversation should be the subject of Government Act.
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That means Friday's my co-host, Sandy Williams.
Sandy, the music.
Well, I decided I went to my AAI source and asked it to give me music that was reflective of drinking songs and people who might be drunk with power.
And that's what I got today, because that's what I think what we're watching is a president who is actually drunk with power.
He doesn't drink, I guess, alcohol, but he drinks some other potent something that is, so music today relates to that.
Yeah, McDonald's sodas.
Before the break, we were talking about something, and one of the things that I think is so ironic about this is one of the things that Wright constantly talked about was
cancel culture, and how it was that the left would, from a social standpoint, cancel people who didn't meet the litmus of left-wing thinking.
Well, what we're watching right now is the most horrific kind of cancel culture, where the government is using all of its tools and all of its powers to actually cancel people.
people, cancel companies, cancel businesses who are not ideologically pure, who would bother to be contrary in their view to the White House.
It's astonishing.
And it's horrifying, actually.
If I had a bell to ring, I was looking for one.
I was going to ring it because I think we should all be hearing an alarm bell as we watch what happens.
So
let me ask you, Sandy, what is it going to take?
There's still
49% 48% of Americans those who supported Donald Trump who still support him Even in the face of all this there's some Yoko on on the text message now sending these ridiculous responses What is it going to take Sandy for those people who supported them missing a few social security checks?
Or is it or is it going to be veterans not getting their benefits?
I mean, what is it going to take for these people to realize?
That he's he's he's
not in their corner
Well, I think it's going to have to be one of those, have you no decency, sir, moments like happened to Joe McCarthy in the McCarthy hearings when an army general finally had the temerity to speak out against him.
I think the American public at some point, those who cherish personal freedom, are going to realize that they are the chicken in the pot.
There's water in the pot, the heat's been turned on, and it's going to boil.
And they'll realize that we are on a perilous course towards the removal of personal freedoms the way things are happening in this country.
And I think that the American spirit ultimately is embedded in personal freedom.
And when they realize that that's what's at stake here,
policies be damned, you know, we sure we can streamline government.
That's a policy that can be pursued.
But but to pursue it in a manner that is currently being pursued is to destroy not just inefficiency, but it's to destroy actually the American government.
And that's something.
And I don't mean the bureaucrats in American government.
I mean, the vital constitutional processes of American government.
You know, Sandy, every
Every day that goes by, it gets worse and it gets more entrenched.
You're talking about Elon Musk, just watching him last night and his group.
And you're saying, man, can this really be happening?
This is the United States of America for having sakes, man.
Here's a guy who's not even elected.
Who is calling the shots?
Well, and he underestimates what the rest of the world, the strength of the rest of the world, if the American public isn't exhibiting the kind of strength to stand up to him, I think he has to understand that the rest of the world will.
You know, Prime Minister Martin.
Carney, the new prime minister of Canada yesterday, in response to these 25 percent tariffs, which is really a direct throwdown tariff war, an act of tariff war against Canada.
That's what it's aimed at.
He basically said, look, our relationship with the United States is over as it was.
We're going to turn to other trade partners.
We're going to turn to the rest of the world.
And we're going to stop relying on the United States.
We're going to stop being dependent.
Did upon it for imports or for exports and they will accomplish it I mean there are some ready markets out there of China being a very primary one Who can who can definitely be a surrogate for the United States?
You know Sandy the worst part about it is you know these people who continue to Say you know Trump is my guy Trump is my man and all those kind of things
It has, they haven't seen, I guess, enough yet, um, before they finally realize it's almost, it'll be too late to turn back, Sandy.
It'll be too late to turn it around.
Um, because those people, again, many of them, Sandy, average people who average Tom Dick and Mary who voted for
Donald
Trump.
expecting some change in
their own lives.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I mean, almost 100% of what's happened so far has been done by executive order.
Congress has not done anything yet to implement any of
what a Trump is doing.
So we should understand that the plan here, the game plan here is to use executive power well beyond its normal range and to dare the Supreme Court to rein him in.
Sandy, did you hear
what
you just said?
Dare the United States Supreme Court.
Right.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Well, they're talking about impeaching judges.
that stand against them.
You know, Supreme Court judges can be impeached as well.
I mean, where does impeachment of judges stop?
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So, Canada has now basically said we're no longer partners with the United States.
And this is a partnership that goes back to 1940.
And Donald Trump,
walks in the door and single-handedly destroys that relationship that is going to impact many American citizens.
And he has no feelings at all about, you know, what he's done.
It doesn't even set with him.
Well, I think that this talk about the 51st state is not
If Donald Trump's mind, and apparently the people who support him with policy, is not just idle talk.
This kind of behavior and what he's doing with Canada suggests that he's trying to bring them to their knees economically so that they'll do that and become the 51st state, which is a crazy idea, that much geography being one state.
It would undoubtedly, each province would be a state, and we'd find out that the Republican Party would be done forever because they'd probably be more left leaning than the rest of the country.
They also have a health program that
Maybe they could export to us, because everyone in Canada has health care.
It's probably an enviable thing from the American public standpoint.
But yeah, I mean, his quest for power and his quest for geography seems to be insatiable.
And he's going to destroy...
Having a trade war with Canada is just the beginning of a trade war with the world, which will totally disrupt our economy.
And there are some who believe that part of his strategy is to have a recession, which will weaken the dollar.
And by weakening the dollar, make our exports more attractive.
But once again, recessions are something that is suffered by Tom Dick and Mary.
It's not suffered by people who live in gold houses.
You know, Sandy, he wants to be a bad guy.
And, you know, we know that's who he is.
He's always been a bad guy.
But, you know, he could be a bad guy, Sandy.
And as long as he was in the business world.
But let me ask you, for the people who say they want the government to be run like a business, your business guy,
Is that sensical?
Well, sure.
I mean, it depends on what running like a business means, but if you talk about running something efficiently, running it so that it pursues its objectives effectively and efficiently.
That's what businesses try to do, and that's what the government ought to do.
The government ought to pursue what it is that the government has been asked by Congress and the people to do.
It ought to pursue doing those things effectively.
carrying out the mission and do it efficiently so that it isn't too expensive.
If that's running it like a business, that's a sound idea.
But if running it like a business means that you come in and you sack people left and right and cut expenses willy-nilly, you're maybe acting like a private equity firm that's trying to parasitically feed off a business.
you're not acting like a business that wants to have a long-term prospect and be successful.
So, you know, I think running it like a business, some people object to that, but I think the question is, what do you mean by it?
But that isn't what we're watching right now.
Okay, this is not people running things like a business.
They're running it like a personal possession.
Let's go to Richard from Walker Show.
Good morning to Richard.
You say what?
Well, I'm wondering if you guys are aware of Canada and their situation of connecting the two oceans together.
They've been channeling from Lake to Lake over from, you know, the Pacific to the Atlantic.
And I'm wondering how far they are on that.
And that'll probably bring roads and pipelines along there.
So, so what are your thoughts about what Donald Trump is doing to Canada?
Well, Canada has a smaller population and it doesn't make any sense at all to be not cooperative or partnership with them because Canada probably has more connections with England with with their history and with their businesses.
and with their actions from the Second World War, and in England probably wants to be connected with them because they're close to Russia.
They have the fear from that.
It doesn't make any
sense.
Hey, Richard, thank you for the call.
Thank you very much for listening.
Sandy, you want to respond to Richard?
Well, what Donald Trump wants to do is own Canada.
He doesn't want
to
have cooperation with Canada So, you know what he's trying to do is take someone with with whom we've had the ultimate form of cooperation I mean our whole air defense missile defense system has radar sites that run throughout Canada You know a Canada is a big part of the defense of the United States
On the other hand, what what Donald Trump wants to say is that Canada is is Parasitically using the United States as its defender But the fact is that Canada has been very active in every sort of warfare that we participated in they preceded us into World War two and you know Canada is a very strong national nationalist country feel strongly about their Canadian qualities and
The notion that we can't cooperate with countries effectively and what we need to do is own them is something, a new notion that Donald Trump has brought up.
Clearly, I think, to be honest with you, and I went and did the math on this, when you take Canada and put it into the United States, and you take Greenland and add it to it, suddenly the United States geography is materially bigger than Russia, which is the biggest land mass country in the world.
And I believe...
that if you could sit Donald Trump down and give him truth serum, he's done that same math.
And what he wants is for when he leaves the presidency, he wants to be able to say that the United States became the biggest country in the world under Donald Trump.
And that's the objective.
It's not a policy objective.
Let's go to Mike from Kenosha.
Good morning to you, Mike.
You say what?
Good morning.
A couple of things very quickly.
J.D.
Vance says.
that we really need to be ruthless when it comes to exercising our power.
That's what JD Vance said recently.
An author of Project 2025, Curtis Yarvin said, a reboot of the USA must occur and we must seize all points of power.
He continues to say that,
the executive branch needs to be run without any interference from Congress or the courts.
Now, I just gave you three specific cases, quotes, that clearly show that these insurrectionists are attempting to overthrow our government, completely nullify the U.S.
Constitution,
just like we've been talking about for way too long, turn the United States into a authoritarian nation.
All the actions, all the wordsmithing that they're using, everything shows this.
So I gotta say, the only thing I think that can save us is the Fourth Estate.
And that is the media and the courage of those involved with our media
to speak truth to power.
With that, then we can unify, we can organize, and we can find millions of people who are willing to walk the walk and defend our nation and the U.S.
Constitution from this obvious attempt to seize all power.
You're doing a great job, Earl.
You're going after this with both eyes wide open.
You're speaking truth to power, but unfortunately, today you are a minority.
We don't have enough of that going across the media.
So Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, hang on a second.
Sandy, you want to respond to anything Mike is saying?
Well, no, he's absolutely right.
That's why I told you I was so horrified when I read all of Project 2025.
because it is a manifesto which describes in a direct assault on the constitutional organization of our government and to change it into something in which we have authoritarianism.
And I'm just astonished that it would be conservatives who wrap themselves in the Constitution who would take this position.
But now we're watching it unfold and to be honest with you, I think we're much closer to having it, to seeing it
Already accomplished when we see what the president has done with all the tools of government to Columbia to law firms to any object that bothers him to the Lincoln Center I mean some of these things sound trivial, but they aren't you know taking over that the the Lincoln the Kennedy Center taking over the Smithsonian trying to organize its policies taking over
collegiate institutions and reorganizing the way they go about their business.
It's horrifying.
Mike.
I've been a city.
I totally understand that government must have a role to play in regulation of business and providing safety nets and in making infrastructure and protecting civil rights.
We get that, but unfortunately we have this whole machine.
that is very mature, that dominates in small-town and rural America, that has been the antithesis of real freedom and democracy.
They've worked against us.
This has been a long time coming, and unfortunately, they're out of the cage, and we're gonna have a hell of a time to put them back in.
But I do believe the Fourth of State, as it's been designed,
In states' rights, we can work this effort, but it has to happen quickly, and we the people got to wake up and look at the world through both of our eyes.
Hey, Mike, Will said, thank you very much for the call.
You know, Sandy, you're a guy who's always been a big proponent of free speech, right?
As long as I've known you, free speech.
Gotta have yeah, you know gotta have free speech Taking away free freedom of speech man No,
yeah, I mean I mean his his reasoning the reasoning that's been
provided from an official standpoint for the deportation of these students is simply their speech.
And the reason that he's giving for attacking these law firms is simply the speech of their clients.
And he's, you know, he's threatening these law firms with removing all of their clients from the roles of people eligible to do business with the United States.
I mean, this is using the
the tools of government for his own personal power and a grandisement.
And it's very effective because people have to bend in the face of that, or many of them feel a need to bend in the face of that.
You know, Sandy, your thoughts on the other side about if there's a way to get out of this.
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We're in sandy your music selection.
Well drinking drinking songs.
I think we're watching someone is drunk with power So that that was my source of these songs and apparently that Irish song is a well-known drinking song at least in pubs around the country
You know, Sandy, before we go back to the phone lines, I just wanted to mention this.
Trump orders targets, divisive narratives in Smithsonian museums.
So this was on yesterday.
Donald Trump ordered cities.
an exhibit at the American Art Museum titled Stories of Race in American Sculpture and References at the National Museum of African American History.
Museums in our nation's capitals should be places where individuals go to learn, not be subjected to ideological indoctrination, divisive narratives that distort our shared history, the order states.
Wait a minute.
Shared history is what was happening.
That's why those things were in the museums.
Shared history.
And he's turned all of that on its head.
Okay?
Well, apparently his version of shared history involves the stuff that's shared by white, though people who have white skin, because
What what they view is ideologically impure and what they view as divisive is simply divulging to the current generation the history of race relations in the country
You know and I understand he he let's do this.
Let's go to the phone lines Bring Tim in before the break.
Good morning to you Tim.
You say
what?
Internet where Elon Musk says that people are going to get more Social Security under doge.
Well, this is all part of the plan to break Social Security.
They're laying off all these people.
So all that money is not going to be going into Social Security.
And if they increase the outtake, they're going to say, see, it went broke.
We told you that this is coming.
So this is all part of the plan.
You know, you know, Sandy, there's been nonstop conversation about, well, he's not going after social security.
He's not going after, he's not going after Medicare.
He's not going after Medicaid.
You've been saying forever, there's only four places he can go to offset the tax break for the billionaires, for the wealthy.
And so he's gotta go at some of those things they have to go after.
Well, well and in fact and it can be the subject of another show but
everything they propose in the way of cuts still, even if they achieve them, wouldn't match the size of the tax cut they want.
So they're talking about increasing deficits.
So part of what's going on here is them struggling to deal with the situation in which they know that the increasing size of the national debt is a problem.
Moody's and others are telling us that.
And so they're trying to figure out a way to have their cake and eat it too, to have the tax cut.
and to have increasing deficits and to somehow deal with the debt side of that by weakening the dollar, forcing other nations to take no interest or zero interest bearing debt instruments to try and ease the burden on our economy.
It's all the same kind of financial restructuring that Donald Trump must have carried out in his private businesses on his path to bankruptcy.
You know, this isn't sound business.
Well, Sandy, you...
it is clear that it's not about business with them.
It's about their tax breaks and tax cuts.
And I just have never been able to understand, I don't know how much they get if you're a billionaire and they're cutting $4.5 trillion, what that actually looks like on the bottom line for a billionaire guy, how much money he actually saves.
But my question would be,
Okay, whatever that amount is, Sandy, it doesn't change you being a billionaire.
So why would they not be concerned about the impact that it has on the average, everyday American?
Well, because, you know, what they have to do is make taxes and ideological us.
a source of ideological purity because it doesn't make sense to Tom Dick and Mary.
Tom Dick and Mary had their way rationally.
We'd be talking today about revising the health care system and avoiding this terrible benefits cliff that is experienced by people who move from Medicaid into jobs and suddenly have to pay for a very large health insurance bill that makes them worse off with the job than they were without.
the job.
And this is all the result of the fact that we don't have something like Medicare for all.
We have a system that's different.
And so I think the Republicans just want to duck from actually talking about policy and try to make taxes and government expenditure a prime issue.
Well, you
know, Sandy, half of Tom Dick and Mary doesn't understand this.
And that's why they vote against their own interests.
And and they somehow still
believe they're on the other side of this.
And that Donald Trump is going to be their savior.
Well, I think you asked before the last break whether I would talk about how we might break this.
Yeah.
And I think one of the ways to break it is to have a discourse that actually takes on these issues and talks about them.
And we'll do more of that on the other side.
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You know, Sandy, here's another one.
Trump administration moves to end union rights for federal workers, for many federal workers.
He's going to take away, how can he take away
bargain rights for these workers.
Remember Act 10?
Oh, we will.
Here's the deal.
I mean, Donald Trump is doing things with executive orders that no one expects the Supreme Court to honor.
For instance, this voting, his executive order on installing the voting requirements that the Republicans in Congress
tried to pass and failed to pass.
And now he's doing it by executive order.
And the tool he's using is he's saying, look, states, if you don't follow this executive order, you'll lose federal funding.
Well, this does it once again, the president using.
all the powers of the US government against any object that doesn't cooperate with his executive orders, which amounts to creating a gun to your head.
So look, you're going to volunteer to do this.
We're not going to require that you do this.
But if you don't do it, we're going to take away your lifeblood.
And so the Supreme Court is the entity that needs to stand up to this and say, you can't do this.
You can't do it this way.
If you want to implement voting regulations, do it through Congress like the Constitution contemplates.
But the problem here is that.
He is daring the Supreme Court to get in his way, and he's doing everything he can to create an environment in which he would chill courts from getting in his way, threatening impeachment.
He's got Mike Johnson carrying water for him in that regard.
Do you have confidence that the Supreme Court will do the right thing?
I don't.
I don't have confidence in all of the ma...
I think some of them are ideologs who are ideologically tied to something that is outcome based, not process based.
But my hope is that John Roberts and maybe Amy Conan Bryant, maybe some of these people actually have a pure intellectual view of what the Constitution is and not an ideologically bent one that is bent in the direction of autocracy designed to implement policies rather than process.
The Supreme Court is supposed to be all about process.
So Sandy, let's say a worst case scenario.
It doesn't.
They don't do the right thing.
Where do we go then?
At that point, we're a banana republic.
And I guess we go the route that banana republics want to get changed most.
Unfortunately, it's a it's a very unseemly process that usually involves the streets.
But the fact,
Sandy, that we're at that point, right?
I mean, that it's possible that what you just said.
can take place.
I do believe it's possible.
I hope and pray that the Supreme Court will look at process.
and be neutral about policy with respect to political governmental policies.
And I'm not sure they can be.
I'm not sure they will be.
But we're at a very vital turning point because process should matter because someone with a completely different ideological bent could grab ahold of all these same tools and try to implement them in the same way.
So
happiness.
There's some person who texts I have zero confidence in the Supreme Court.
I hope that President Biden would have changed the Supreme Court and added members and terms, but he didn't.
You know, the problem with that sand is even if he had done it, Donald Trump coming in could have added even more and kept the imbalance in place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, packing the court.
works until you've got 462 people on the Supreme Court.
So it's not a policy that is going to save the Constitution or save the country necessarily.
But I do think that the people of this country are ultimately going to be the ones who are going to have to resist, stand up, and see clearly what's happening.
And once again, I want to make sure that people should understand that
Policy is one thing.
Process is another.
And if they embrace this process, they should understand the dangers associated with the process when they get turned on them.
Everyone should look at what's going on and say, what happened if that happens?
What would that be like if it happened to me?
All right, let's go to Mary from Tulsa.
Good morning to you, Mary.
You say what?
Good morning, Earl and Sandy.
And thanks for this opportunity.
As a protection of my mental health and all of this madness, I focus my daily attention on the pro-democracy.
forces that are out there.
Civic media, of course, being one of them.
The contrarian is focusing the light on our April 1 election, and it's going to be present here.
And yesterday, I listened to a one-hour Zoom by public citizen that is addressing the administration with its lawsuits, Robert Weisman and Lisa Gilbert, I'm assuming, their co-presidents, I'm assuming, their attorneys.
And so they're focusing their...
their litigation on three areas.
One being shutting the administration, shutting down of agencies.
Number two is the administration's obtaining our data.
The third is stifling speech.
Now, Robert Weisman made a chilling comment, and he said that regarding Elon Musk, he said he's on a mission of destruction beyond any financial benefit to himself.
That was pretty chilling to hear.
And so lastly, they're very strongly encouraging us to get on this April 5th nationally being organized.
It's called mobilize.us forward slash hands off.
You know, it's being organized throughout the nation.
It's going to be present here in our area.
And I would encourage everybody to, you know, really
You know register for taking part of that.
It's Let's see.
It's again.
It's mobilized dot us forward slash hands off and Public citizens site is citizen org Hey, Mary.
I'm gonna stop here, please.
Thank you.
Hey,
Mary.
Thank you very much for that information.
You know Sandy It is look the Department of Education, right
It's just one thing they they it's a blitzer creek Everything sandy they're not leaving one stone unturned in what they're doing
No, I mean like I said every chapter of project 2025 is in is in place and is in in operation and is occurring and You know these are
This is an organized assault.
This is not disorganization.
This is not Donald Trump arm waving like the first administration.
And these are people who are using Donald Trump and his lust for power for their own purposes, to change things in the direction that they ideologically find important to them.
And the end result of this is...
kind of horrifying.
Like I said, it's not from a policy standpoint.
Whether we have a Department of Education or not is something that Congress is free to choose, and if they decide we shouldn't have it, then I guess we won't have one.
But what we can't have is a process in which we have an authoritarian who makes decisions and implements them using all the tools of government for his personal assault on whoever it is that gets in his way.
I mean, that game of whack-a-mole is
almost indefensible, and we're finding that out, that people cower in the face of all the tools of government.
What I hope is that the shift can be away from all of this stuff.
I think that this needs to be handled by lawyers and it needs to be stopped in courts.
But what we need to have is a party that starts talking to us about having policies in place that actually help us.
to work on our healthcare system so that the healthcare system isn't the social problem that it represents for so many people, to have child daycare that actually supports our workers in getting into the workplace.
You know, these are policies and things that we need to be talking about.
We've had three months of total deflection, not one syllable spoken about the policies that are really important to the citizens of this
country.
You know, Sandy, health care is only going to be worse when they basically got meditated.
You know, they're not making it
better.
Go ahead.
Medicaid is a social problem in that we don't have health care for all so that if you're poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, when you become not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid but are still in the lower half of the income group in this country, you find yourself in a position where you can't afford the health insurance bill that's being presented to you and you were kind of better off when you were on Medicaid.
That's not
a problem of the citizens who are relying on it, that's a problem that's created by the system we've put in place.
And that's the system that we need to have talked about by our politicians and improved because it's causing people not to get married so they can continue to qualify for Medicaid.
It's causing them to realize that they're worse off if they get a modest paying job rather than the low income that they're currently suffering.
I mean, these are things
that people need to address, but it's not going to be solved by taking Medicare away.
Well, you know, Sandy, you know, I'm, you know, my wife and I have been dealing with a special mentally challenged young man.
Man, they're looking at taking away resources for people with mental health issues, Sandy.
I mean, when does this stop?
When do people finally get the courage to say, hey, leave people who can't fend for themselves, please leave them the hell alone?
When does somebody stand up on Mount Everest and shout that down to the American people and say the only way this stops is you have to stop it?
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Sandy, let me read this paragraph quickly and then we'll go back to the phone lines.
So Britt Bear was interviewing Elon Musk.
Whoa.
Is that an oxymoron?
Can you actually interview Elon Musk, Sandy?
Yeah, I don't know.
He's a strange dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so what's something that Brit Bear, what's something that people know about, don't know about, uh, president, uh, Donald Trump.
And, and this is what Elon Musk had to say.
I think the president's a good man must say it.
I think he is an honest man and I have yet to see him do anything mean or anything that's wrong that I would say is morally wrong, not even once.
Do you think Elon Musk knows the definition of morality, Sandy?
No, I think that well, I think they both work on the same playbook.
I saw an interesting sort of a comedic approach to the reduction of regulations.
And this guy, the comedian said, you know, Donald Trump is reducing all the regulations, including the 10 commandments.
He said he's got
it
down to six.
And so I think that's about that's a that's a good way to characterize their their view of morality.
It's it's it's their own addition.
Let's go to Brenda.
Good morning to you, Brendan.
You say what?
Yeah, I wanted just to kind of echo what Sandy was just saying about them playing the same playbook.
This whole thing with Musk back in Germany just keeps getting buried and buried, but headlines like Elon Musk endorses German far-right AFD in surprise.
Elon Musk calls for Germany to move beyond Nazi guilt, okay?
Just like Trump trying to split black and white people.
When we get together and we protest, we need to stand elbow to elbow.
Okay.
Our Latino brothers and sisters and those who feel in danger at these things, stay home.
We'll take care of it.
We'll carry the water for you.
And I pray, I pray every night, and I'm not a real religious guy, that the people of Wisconsin will stand up and show you on musk.
It doesn't matter how much money he has, they're going to pick the right person for the right decision.
Have a good
weekend.
I think that's very well said, Brendan, but you know, I'm fearful as well.
Let's go to Bill from O'Connor Wall.
Good morning to you, Bill.
You say what?
You are a comment that I'd here to like to hear your feed on with the upcoming election with the Supreme Court.
And town halls being, you don't want to be a Republican to have a town hall now, it doesn't go good.
I don't know if Brad Shimo is going to win or lose.
But if he does lose, if Wisconsin has sent a clear message, Trump stayed out of our state.
And it will send a message throughout the country that thank God,
The judicial system is the only thing protecting us from this 36 count convicted fellow.
What do you think?
So,
Bill, let me let me ask you before you go.
If if I don't know how confident you can be in that, if, you know, you look at the map of the election of Donald Trump and in so much of it was read, I don't know if enough has happened yet for those people who and I don't know why what is going to take.
for those people to realize we're going down the wrong road, man.
Sandy.
Well, you know, Trump, you know, people thought he was joking about Canada.
People thought he was joking about Greenland.
People thought he was joking about there never being another election after 2024.
But, you know, I don't think he was joking about the first two.
And I'm afraid that he wasn't joking about the last one either in his own mind, at least.
You know, you know, Sandy.
And before we go back to the phone lines, your thoughts on this election, the Supreme Court, over a hundred million dollars, let's say, let's say the Democrats lose.
Let's say Brad Schimel wins.
They spent a hundred million dollars, Sandy, to try to win
one
Supreme Court seat.
I mean, I mean,
not just a
hundred million dollars
total.
But
they spent, we can
say
they spent 50 million at least.
I think the Democrats spent as much as the Republicans, but what's awful about it is that that's the amount of money that apparently needs to be spent to elect a Supreme Court justice, which these campaigns
30 years ago, probably used to cost $300,000.
I mean, people were spending money out of their own pockets and spending enough to get elected to the Supreme Court.
And so this is just an outlandish frightening thing because it's a demonstration that it isn't just money in politics.
It's very, very big money in politics.
Elon Musk has given $19 million personally.
to the Wisconsin political operation to back the Brad Schimmel.
You know, let's say the worst-case scenario, and Susan Crawford loses.
I think you kind of break the spirit even more of people who vote, Sandy.
Especially after those who voted against Donald Trump, and now...
It will be almost more than people can bear.
And like I said, the courts are the bastion of our Constitution.
It's the bastion of process.
And if we lose that, if we lose that guardrail, we're toast.
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Sandy, where's Sandy the music?
Well, the music is what AI told me was the best drinking music from bars around the country.
And who knew?
But I wouldn't have known.
But we have, I think, a power drunk president.
It's got drinking music.
Sweet Caroline is still a great drinking music, huh?
I
guess it
is.
It's a great music.
In any case, it's great.
Yeah.
Basketball games and soccer games.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
No.
Let me let me.
Brendan said this and then we'll go through the phone lines.
We must not forget this isn't a battle between left and right.
This is a class war.
Sandy, I think he's absolutely right.
It's a class war.
You
don't think so.
Well, I know I think it is.
I just think that class war tends to repel some people.
It might keep people from joining in the process, because it sounds like something you'd read in a manifesto.
But I do believe that what we've got going here is the wealthy in control.
We have an oligarchical kind of system that seems to be developing with very, very power.
powerful people, powerful wealth.
And powerful wealth apparently can buy you the, I just read, just in the wire, the guy who was convicted and by a federal jury and sentenced to four years for fraud, the founder of this Nikolai truck company, just got a pardon from Trump.
His lawyer was Pam Bondi's brother.
And this guy happened to give $1.7 million to the Trump campaign last fall.
And so now he gets a pardon from a, and Trump tells him that he was the victim of a
legal witch hunt much the
way Trump, yeah, yeah.
And really all that really amounts to is apparently white collar crime is a political witch hunt because white collars don't commit crimes.
They just get chased in a witch hunt.
You know, Sandy,
you know, Brendan and what he said, you know, man, it certainly for all the world, and me looks like, you know, the average American who struggles, doesn't have a snowball's chance to inhale with the people who are where they are now, you know, making it through the next two years, let alone any longer
than that.
Yeah, well, there's no discussion like I said there's been zero time spent by the administration talking about a single problem that is the problem of middle-class and America because middle-class America needs to have its problems addressed and Reducing their taxes by a pittance is not going to address any of their problems
Tom from LA Europe Tom
Earl Wisconsin has an opportunity
to stop Elon Musk and Donald Trump, and all of this, and I'm saying the word BS on purpose, on Tuesday, get everyone out to vote.
Vote for Crawford.
Don't vote for any more BS.
Brad Schimel's telling you who he is by his initials.
Those is Brian Stiles.
But I would honestly say, you guys have the opportunity
It kind of started in Wisconsin with Walker.
And it kind of started in Wisconsin with the Koch brothers and money in politics.
Now Wisconsin has an opportunity to put down the hatch and actually start putting some sanity back to us.
So please vote no on the amendment.
Vote for Crawford.
And please, please, please vote for Jill Underly.
Or you know what, we're not going to notice what this country looks like.
Wisconsin is the start of it.
That's why I listen every day to Wisconsin.
All right,
Tom, thank you very much for the call.
Let's go to Ollie.
Good morning to you, Ollie.
You say what?
I have two, several points to make.
One is I understand that politics being politics and rules being rules, every radio station has to play
politicians, campaign commercials ads.
But I just heard on your radio station that Trump has endorsed BS.
And if we want to keep America great for Trump,
we should all people in Wisconsin should disregard Susan Crawford's left-wing politics and vote for BS.
And because I cannot be out protesting due to health issues, I want to
protest on phone.
I want everybody who heard that commercial to get up and protest as loudly as they can over the phone, over radio stations, and say that this is just not true.
We heard in BS's own words that he is here to do President Trump's agenda.
And we can all see what's going on in this country and what Trump and Elon Musk are doing to this country.
And it is not an agenda that is for Wisconsin or Wisconsinites or even the United States of America.
It's an agenda for Trump, Musk and his billionaire crony.
Let me let me ask you, Ali, you and I hope you don't.
Take this in the wrong vein.
You sound like a seasoned person who's been around a few times and and you've seen, you know, different presidents in different regimes and is there anything that even comes close to what you are seeing now?
Yes, there is something that comes close.
My dad was in the service for
22 and a half years and we lived quite a long time in Germany and we saw and we lived near bomb holes and we saw what Hitler did to Germany and we learned at school.
what exactly happened during the war and how Hitler took over and this is exactly the way it went and Trump is taking over just like Hitler did and if people do not stand up to him now he will just roll over the whole of the United States and Whatever it takes whatever way you can do it
you need to stand up to him.
And I feel that when he chooses to advertise on a radio show that knowingly tries to put out the truth, and he chooses to advertise on that radio show and put out a lie, everybody needs to stand up and speak out when they hear those commercials.
And
this is my way of doing that.
My way of
protesting.
And they all
go ahead.
Go ahead.
I also want to give hope to the people of Wisconsin because Pennsylvania had two special elections in their state
recently.
Yes, recently.
One of them was the state Senate and District 36.
And it was a definite red state, red area, and the Democrats won two seats in Pennsylvania.
And we can do that too by simply standing strong, standing firm and standing up for Susan Crawford and Jill Underling.
Hey, Ollie, thank you very much for those, you know.
emotional words, Sandy, you know, here's a woman who lived elsewhere and saw some things that most Americans have not seen, right?
Those of us who've been born here, and she's alarmed.
Well, that's the thing.
I think people in this country need to realize that the process is so important and that the courts are the ultimate bastion of the protection of process.
And the fact that from an ideological standpoint, people have found a way to raise $100 million to contest a Supreme Court seat in the state of Wisconsin.
demonstrates how important the likes of Donald Trump and Elon Musk, the importance they place on controlling the courts so that they can carry out their agenda.
Because ultimately it's the courts who will put a reign on executive power.
So Sandy, a hundred million dollars in the state of Wisconsin, they're going to be Supreme Court races all over the nation.
You just stated how critically important those seats are.
And so maybe most of us don't see it from that national.
You kind of wonder, hey, this is Wisconsin, one Supreme Court seat.
You know, one by one, is that how they have to capture it?
Well, you know, if you're interested in gerrymandering congressional seats so that you can control Congress,
And if that gerrymander requires a Supreme Court to give its imprimatur to it, then you want to control the Supreme Court.
And of course, they found out when they lost control of the Supreme Court, they lost control of the
district in the
state just a year.
And they're back now to try and make sure that those.
happen again and that they can reverse it.
So that's how important it is for these people to accomplish their agenda.
And what's interesting to me is this talk about culture canceling when we have an agenda from the right which involves actually canceling people and businesses who have the temerity to disagree, you know, just to disagree.
Yeah, you know, it's Andy, it is, as I said before,
It's it's it's frightening Because they've gotten this far in such a short period of time Hey, it's only been a couple months But but maybe if you look at it if we look at it from that perspective Sandy Then we don't see it from the perspective that you've been talking about for a long time And that's the plan that they had in place before Trump got there So is it this is not just something that sprang up in two months
No, I mean the plan the project 2025 was a plan to use executive power Beyond the range that had ever been used before to accomplish things instantaneously.
There you go.
It's what's
happening.
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Let's go to Tom from West Dallas.
Good morning to you, Tom.
You say what?
Good morning, gentlemen.
Two things.
One, apparently Musk is coming to Wisconsin very soon.
He's going to hand out a million dollars to people who signed that petition for him.
So wouldn't it be beautiful if we should get a good opposition group there to protest that?
Even though I looked it up online, I cannot see, find out where it is yet.
The other thing is talking about Trump.
been Greenland and all that.
What is the real end game?
I mean, he talks about how Russia is, you know, we got to defeat Russia.
We got to protect ourselves from them.
We got to protect ourselves from China.
Get these buddies with all of them.
So what is the real end game here?
Tom, thank you, Sandy.
You want to try to touch that?
Yeah, I think the endgame is what they call this hegemonic view of the world, which means sort of an empire view of the world.
I think Donald Trump thinks the western hemisphere, the northern part of the western hemisphere,
least is his.
He believes that I think that the old Soviet empire is Russia's and that China has its hegemonic sphere as well and that these guys who control countries, these strong armed guys can sit down at a table and divide up the world and have what they will
called world peace, which means really peace at the expense of all the small countries that are dwarfed in size and scale and in power by these large empires.
It's a return to what used to exist in the 19th
century.
But Sandy, he's not equal to those other guys.
He only gets four years.
They can be
there forever.
How does that make sense?
That's why he talks about more.
Oh, he wants to be a part of that club.
That's the club he wants to belong to.
All right, let's go to Tom from Richland Center.
Good morning to you, Tom.
You say what?
Good morning, everybody.
I just want to mention a little reality check.
In 2009, we had the assembly, the Democrats at the assembly, the Senate and the governor did not pass Iowa style redistricting law on purpose because they thought they were going to get to gerrymander in their favor.
And that's exactly what happened.
And I was on the inside enough to know that's true.
And as a matter of fact, Schultz was our senator out here.
There's a whole lot about him that I disliked.
But he actually went into the governor at the time and said, why don't we set up this thing to make it fair?
Because I know this stuff's coming online.
So all I'm saying is our good old Democrats, we've got to vote for them and work for them.
And then they've got to make them do the right things.
Because a lot of times, they have their own interests, like collecting the same money that the Republicans are.
power of the people, you know, we can't, can't subjugate our will to even the Democrats.
We gotta do it
ourselves.
Hey, Tom, thank you very much for the call.
Sandy, you want
to
respond to that?
Thank you.
Well, I think he's right.
I think the people are frustrated because neither party has delivered for them.
Parties have delivered for their own interests or for the interests of K Street or lobbyists or whatever.
And so, you know, that's, that's the actual problem that.
Donald Trump is now exploiting with bringing a new form of government promising to do a great deal.
Of course, that new form of government is a is a authoritarian government.
You know, Sandy, many years back in your early in your in my connection on these on the airways, you kept talking about Democrats.
and Republicans and that you thought it was time that the two-party system be changed.
You remember those conversations you used to have?
What are your thoughts now?
Yeah, I do.
I still think that.
I think that one way to make parties more responsive is to make them more particular in the interest they represent.
So they are responsive to the particular interest.
And yes, that means we end up with coalition governments.
But what we have now is a strange form of coalition that needs to be formed to try to elect one of two candidates.
And the coalitions are basically created by the media.
and through processes that I think rob the American people of direct input.
So I thought at the time that you were saying that there was, you know, pie in the sky thinking.
But to be quite frank with you, watching what's taking place now with one man being able to take over the government, maybe it is not pie in the sky thinking anymore.
Yeah, because you know, he's got he's got a party that his you know when you have two parties all you have to do is take over one of those parties and potentially take over the country in the process That's what he's done.
He's taken over the Republican Party.
He's made it his party It's not a party that represents the interests of anyone but Donald Trump He's got them cowering and so now he's taken over the country with that party and now we're facing the consequences all
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