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Good morning to you, Cardi.
What's going on?
It's Friday.
I was, you know, it's Friday.
I'm going to stop even asking that question because I, you know, I could predict, you know, what was going to come out of his mouth.
Uh, but yeah, uh, yeah, it is Friday and, uh, but you
don't hear it.
I bet you on Thursday, you don't hear him saying, yeah, it's Thursday.
No.
Uh, so by now, if you don't know, that's my, my co-host, Sandy Williams.
Good morning to Sandy.
How you doing, man?
Well, I'm doing all right.
You wake up every morning waiting to turn on the news or open the paper or whatever, see what the hell happened.
You know, it's it's like every day is a new day with new things to look at, worry about.
You know, you know, Sandy, it's it is it's it's like, you know, a baby exploring the new world, right?
Yeah, it's why we have a sports section because before you get into gestion looking at the news You can open the you can open the sports section and and there your emotional problems are you know You have them but they're all sort of in control and the reason you go there is to have the fun of figuring out Wins and losses and things that really don't matter, you know, but they seem to matter
So say me before we get into all the things that you and I are gonna talk about this morning
I have to ask you.
They're talking about a hundred million dollars for state Supreme Court seat.
Fifty nine million last year.
That's a tenth of a billion.
Sandy.
Fifty nine.
A hundred bill.
A hundred million dollars for state Supreme Court seat.
While they're cutting, we can't afford food stamps.
We can't afford all these other things.
But by heaven's sakes, there's another Supreme Court race at the state level next year.
What are we talking about?
Fifty million dollar increments every time a state we're trying to get.
We're trying to get the very best justice that money can buy.
Well,
I mean, that turns out
that, you know, these are designer justices.
These aren't just, you know, these are.
very expensive justices.
No, I mean, it's crazy.
The fact that this kind of money gets spent by private interests suggests that private interests have a great deal at stake with respect to who these justices are.
And, you know, particularly the Republican Party realized 15, 20 years ago that controlling the courts was very important because their intent was
to test the edge of the envelope with respect to the law, particularly constitutional law, because it's supreme courts that specialize in constitutional law.
So that's what's at stake here.
I mean, that's why someone like Elon Musk would want to spend a whole lot of money in Wisconsin.
It's not to benefit Tesla.
It's to try and make sure that when constitutional questions are heard in Wisconsin with respect to the Wisconsin Constitution,
relates to political matters they'll get the answer they want.
So at the root of it is to convince the voters that their guy or their person who they're supporting is when the time comes is going to carry their free.
I mean that clearly has to be the reason that that kind of money is being spent.
Well, I mean, you know, I don't think the people out there are as interested in that issue as the people who are providing the money and therefore sponsoring the ads.
The ads are designed to inflame people about issues that might relate to whatever it is that the polls have suggested that people are particularly keyed up about.
And that's what they're playing with.
But, you know, the Supreme Court
Decisions aren't going to relate to those matters that are the subject to these ads almost ever.
That's not that's not what's at stake as far as this big money is concerned.
No, you know, Sandy, I certainly know and kind of understand that the Supreme Court, the people who are putting all this money in this race don't give a rip about, you know, somebody's right to abortions that, you know,
They that's clearly not what they're concerned about.
But I guess what I would say to you then, Sandy, is if they're doing that with the state Supreme Court levels and it's not going to go backwards, right?
I mean, they're going to continue to pour this kind of money at some point in time.
Doesn't it get to a point where they they can't continue to do this and the damage that it does to the American people who lose faith in a system?
that they can see is is being handled like this.
You mean rigged
as
it were?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you know, it is being rigged in a way.
I mean, with money, money is rigging politics.
It's not the kind of rigging that Donald Trump talks about, because he's behind this notion of using money in this manner.
I don't mean behind it, the guy that's causing it.
He's someone who obviously believes in it.
But I don't know.
I think that this, it could become the way in which the American public wakes up and realizes that money in politics is a big problem because spending that kind of money on a Supreme Court justice in Wisconsin shows us that from the political standpoint,
How this court decides matters like gerrymandering court, you know, the map rigging that's gone on to try and put the thumb on the scale of who controls, which party controls the state house is, it's clearly a matter of great financial concern to somebody out there.
So Sandy, and Brendan says, would you be referring to the current US version of oligarchy?
Well, so Sandy, again.
as a citizen, it makes me lose total faith in anything that the government stands for.
How can I, as an American citizen, see what's happening here?
And then my vote, which they tell us is sacred, and yet my vote is, you know?
Well, actually what this really means is that your vote is for sale.
I mean, you know, they're using this money to try to affect how you vote.
Right.
And so what we all should do is realize that this money is being spent this way.
We ought to turn our back on the ads.
We ought to roll up our sleeves and do the research we need to figure out who it is we ought to vote for for our own reasons instead of
for the reasons presented to us by sound bites and advertisements that have been bought for the tune of, to the tune of a hundred million dollars.
You know, Sandy, I just, you know, needed to get your thoughts on that because, you know, then what does a United States Supreme Court seat go for?
Well, that's that's the presidential race.
Yeah, that's in fact that's
you
know for a while when when abortion rights was the biggest issue That was the selling point for who which president you ought to vote for
Yeah, but anyway, I just wanted to get that out of the way and and get it off my chest.
So Let's let's Sandy.
Let's talk a little bit about what is transpiring the
You wanted to talk about what's really transpiring.
What's happening?
Actually, I listened to a fantastic piece done by Ezra Klein.
He's got a daily show that he puts on, and this one involved Jillian Trent, who's a PhD in anthropology, a trained economist, and she's an economic reporter.
And so she was asked by him whether the Trump administration has any strategy or is it just confusion, reigning.
And she pointed out that no, there is a strategy.
And she did a very cogent job, I think, of explaining it.
And there has been talk.
I think we've all heard about something called a Mar-a-Lago Accord.
No one's ever put any flesh behind it, but there's talk about at some point in the not too distant future, a whole bunch of countries representatives being summoned to Mar-a-Lago to hammer out a deal that would essentially put America in a different position in the world than it's in today.
And that's the underlying strategy.
Scott Bassent, the Treasury Secretary.
And Moran, the guy who's the head of the Council of Economic Advisers, have both put out extensive writings, and Basant has gone out and done speaking, about the strategies.
And this was up, you know, approximately a year ago.
So these are strategies that have been hatched for some while.
But the notion is, unlike Teddy Roosevelt, who talked about walking softly and carrying a big stick and walking softly, meaning, you know, be strong.
demonstrate your power, but don't use it.
You know, walk softly and be diplomatic.
And unfortunately, Donald Trump and this whole Mar-a-Lago strategy is just the opposite.
Walk loudly and whack people with the stick.
And the notion is that America has a wide range of powers.
We have economic power based on the scale and value to the rest of the world of having access to our marketplace.
We have military power.
And so the notion is that we would use the power of America in every way possible to cause other countries to do the things we want them to do.
And I think after the break, we can talk more about this, but I think that we need to analyze, and I think the problem with this theory is that
using this power will amount to shooting America's wad.
Once you use the stick, the stick is much less valuable.
The stick is much better carried in a scabbard as a threat than it is actually utilized and put into play.
Because once it's put into play, the rest of the world has to figure out how to avoid the pain of the stick and they will get together with one another, they'll find ways to make the United States
Irrelevant to them rather than vital to them which is the notion that Donald Trump believes that the United States is vital to the rest of the world and therefore we can demand from the rest of the world compensation so that they can benefit from the this vitality that we have and We can discuss it.
I'll try to explain after the break, but my fear about this is that
What Donald Trump's going to do is shoot America's wad ineffectively and we will lose this power without getting the advantages we need rendering us standing here alone only with our military power and the use of military power is dear and
expensive.
We passed up on the stairs We spoke up wasn't when Although I wasn't there He said I was his friend
which gave us some surprise.
I spoke into his eyes, I thought you died a long, a long, long time ago.
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So Sandy is my co-host and Sandy the music.
Well, the music is that that's David Bowie, the man who sold the world.
And basically I tried to find music that related to the question of.
whether nations should flex or whether people should flex their muscles and use them or whether they ought to simply have them and operate on a peaceful basis and not a coercive one.
And so that's what we're talking about today because obviously the theory in the Trump administration is flex your muscles, use your power, get what you can in every transaction you have in the world and use your power.
And I think an interesting question American people ought to figure out is, everyone talks about America being the most powerful country in the world.
But what is that power?
From what is it derived?
I mean, you, I'm sure, believe that, Earl, that it's the most powerful country in the world.
What do you perceive to be the power of the United States that makes it the most powerful?
Well, so I always, the first go to its military might
when you look at the military might of our country, which again is very small population, only 4% of the overall global population, but our military might is more fearful and frightful than any other nation on the planet.
And I think Sandy that, and this is just my opinion, that everything else is derived from our military might.
So when you have the kind of power,
that America has put together and possessed and continues to keep, you know, up in the end.
You
know, we could that's the big state.
Well, it turns out that our capacity to have that military power is derived from the fact that we have a huge, prosperous economy.
We have the capacity to tax our citizens to the tune of $865 billion a year in order to support the cost of it.
And so it's our financial might that stands behind the capacity to have that kind of military power.
And financial might and military power sort of go hand in hand and hand.
But we also are a financially mighty country.
We are the biggest marketplace in the world.
And the Donald Trump theory is that these tariffs are a big club that can be used with other countries because tariffs are essentially the way that you close the door to the American economy with respect to the sale of whatever good is being tariffed.
And so you can open that door by reducing the tariffs.
And what is clear is that Donald Trump has
Plans on using both those levers.
He's talking about withdrawing our military support from countries if they don't pay adequately for it and he's also talking about tariff putting tariffs on countries to make it harder for them to sell their goods in our country to share in the benefits of our economy and so that's another price that he wants to be able to hold over the heads of foreign countries in order to secure leverage and then the question is leverage
for what, and that's what we need to talk about some more.
But the fact is that our leverage with respect to both these matters relate as well to goodwill.
We have promised to extend our military support to people, and that has made them our allies.
And their being our allies is important to us.
So we extend our military support to other countries and it benefits us.
So I'm not sure how big a price they should pay for it.
We're doing it for our own benefit.
And if we charge them a price for it, they will try to figure out the economic options for paying that price.
They can find another ally.
They can build up their own military.
They can do a variety of things, but they can try and make our military less revelant.
relevant to them.
The same is true with respect to trade.
When we put tariffs on countries and close our door or try to close our economic door to them, they will find other doors and they will find other places to go.
And what the world will try to do in the face of this kind of strategy is to make America as irrelevant to them as they can make us.
And so that's the error of this strategy.
But the Trump administration and the advisors, Peter Navarro, the Scott Besant, this Moran, the head of the Council of Economic Advisors, the people behind him have a cogent strategy.
And that strategy is use this stick, exact a price from everyone so that we can get our way.
And our way is to try and make our dollar.
weaker while at the same time having the dollar continue to be the reserve currency for the world.
These two things are mutually exclusive in terms of outcomes and so the only way to get the other countries to help us keep our dollar at a low value so that our so that our exports are cheap is to force them to do things.
that will cause that outcome.
And the way we intend to force them to do that is to withdraw our military support from them, or threaten to, and to otherwise put tariffs on them.
And both these things are going to lose our friends, lose our allies, and shoot our wad.
And shooting our wad will be the last...
bad thing that the baby boomers do to the next generations to leave them with a big debt and and to have lost our place in the world
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Uh, so it's Friday.
That means Friday's my co-host Sandy Williams.
So send me your music.
Well, that was share, although I'm not sure it sounded like share.
It was when the money's gone, when you spend your money, it's gone.
When you expend your powers and shoot your wad, maybe it's gone too.
And that's my concern, and that's the concern of a number of people watching to get wonky for a minute.
But first of all, I did notice one of the...
Listeners texted in and talked about the moral power of the government, the United States, and that is sort of the third leg on the stool of our power.
We have economic power, we have financial power, largely derived from the fact that our dollar is the reserve currency used throughout the world, which really makes us the financial center of the world.
And that is probably our largest economic power.
Then we have economic power as a marketplace.
We have the moral power of being the leading nation in the free world.
And we seem to be dispensing with that one.
You know, Donald Trump has made it clear that...
being part of the free world isn't necessarily an ingredient that is important to him with respect to who we wrap our arms around.
And the rest of the free world has announced basically that maybe they need to find a new leader of the free world because we seem to have abandoned it.
So that's the kind of ways in which the United States can
lose the power that we have because our power isn't all tangible.
Some of it is just based on principle and moral.
Well, you know, Sandy, some would say and challenge the moral fiber of our nation.
When you look at the fact that many of the mineral resources for third world nations and others, you know, you know, we kind of take advantage of those nations.
Not as
many nations as we'd like to because
Donald
Trump is out there trying to cut new deals for mineral resources with Greenland and we want to wrap our arms around Greenland.
We'd like to take over Canada.
Canada is obviously a very resource rich piece of geography.
And so we have a president who's not behaving necessarily in the manner that the rest of the free world would view as being.
part of the membership in the free world.
So Sandy, let's, let's, let's then, you know, because you're the guy who read project 2025 and, and Donald Trump is not the orchestrator of these things.
Is he?
No,
I
mean, 2025 was definitely written.
outside of his presence.
And I don't know how much with how much of his knowledge or not.
But I can tell you that his administration is following it very closely as if it were a playbook.
So how much of the conversation that we just had or the things that you just got through talking about aren't really Donald Trump's ideas and plans.
He didn't conjure them up.
He's he's he's he's he's the face of it.
Well, I think he's the tool that's being utilized by a bunch of people who have very specific objectives in each of their areas of interest.
in particular, and also including these economists or financial people, Scott Besant, it's clear that what's being implemented here is a strategy that's extremely revolutionary, different, and being different doesn't make it bad, but my concern about it that makes it bad is that I think the strategy is very faulty, and it's faulted by the fact that
using our muscle and putting a price on everything that we do for the rest of the world will cause the rest of the world to operate like any prudent business person.
And that is that they'll try to find someone who doesn't try to exact such a high price and try to make us as irrelevant as possible.
And that's something that can be a
capital.
So Cindy, let me tell you why it makes it bad.
Because not only for other peoples of the earth, but for the American people.
for the average American, this poses insurmountable, you know, things for people to be able to overcome.
The income of the American, average American is not rising.
All of the things that we're talking about are gonna benefit the wealthy people of America, not the average person.
Well, the problem here is that Scott Beside has persuaded himself that the people who this will ultimately...
help will be the people who get the manufacturing jobs that will be recreated in America by partitioning the world, by getting the rest of the world to bow in abby essence to the United States and to do the things necessary to allow us to maintain the dollar as the world's reserve currency, which is something that will be much less important in a world partitioned by tariffs.
to allow us to keep the dollar as the world reserve currency.
And at the same time, to start purchasing our products because they will take the steps necessary to allow the dollar to become much weaker.
One of the reasons the dollar becomes very strong in the system in which we are the world's reserve currency, which has been the case ever since the Bretton Woods Agreement right after World War II.
is that everyone has to buy dollars in order to do their dealings in dollars.
And so that constant stream of purchasing of dollars keeps the price of dollars high, which makes it harder for people to buy our products out there in the world when we try to export them because a rich dollar makes it hard for
them to buy.
So you're saying at the end of all of this, they really are looking
for bringing these manufacturing jobs back to America and making life better for the American citizens.
Is that what we're to believe?
Well, their perspective, they're going to bring the business back to America and the profits that will be derived from that business for the business people who will be.
uh rewarded by having businesses return to America for manufacturing and to and to change the then therefore the the nature of our economy something so that it looks much more like post-world war two america which incidentally was only uh
something that could be achieved because the rest of the world was on its knees.
America was the only economy.
Now we want to try to accomplish this in a world in which there are many other economies.
And one of the big prices that Scott Bassant thinks that we can cause other countries to accomplish this is our military power.
We will withhold our military support.
And the fact is that
We give our military support for the reason that it's beneficial to us.
And it also gives us all these client countries who are purchasing military goods from us.
What this strategy is going to do is to make us much more irrelevant from the standpoint of military force.
We will no longer have a bunch of allies who we can organize to accomplish things in the world as we have over the past 75 years.
And we will become, from a financial standpoint, much weaker the day that the dollar is no longer the reason.
So Sandy, the average American who struggles, those things don't impact their lives.
When they talk about bringing the corporations back, they're going to be automated.
They're not going to offer the opportunities for the average American to buy into and have that middle class.
lifestyle that we're talking about that occurred 30, 40 years ago.
So they won't have as many jobs.
I mean, you know, this thing, the promise at the end of this thing is to shift the economy in a manner that would make us look much more like the economy of the 1950s.
than the economy of
today.
That would be
good.
But the problem is the price the American people are paying for this experiment, which is faulted and based on faulty logic, is that we're going to have recession.
The pain that now Donald Trump is talking about, that Scott Bassatt is obviously whispering in his ear about, is that
We all need to pay the price of a recession, at least a recession, in order to get to this promised land, which is this revised world order.
So Sandy.
And the problem is that Tom Dick and Mary experienced the pain and we're never going
to.
The economy of the 1950s employed Tom Dick and Mary in manufacturing jobs that allowed them to live middle class lifestyles.
That's not going to be what's happening now.
And so all of this that they're talking about does not include Tom Dick and Mary and them being able to lift their selves up.
And so all of this conversation and talk is impacting the wealthiest amongst us and not the average person.
What about the average American?
Where do they fit in this?
Well, I mean, no, the fact is that if it was accomplished,
It would help, Tom Dick and Mary.
That has to be conceded by any economist who looks at the plan and thinks about it.
But the problem is that the way they intend to accomplish it isn't going to work.
And the rest of the world is demonstrating that the rest of the world has motivations that involve their own national pride and their own national interests that will cause them not to
a genuflect in the manner that Scott Besant thinks they will when they are all summoned to Mar-a-Lago for the purpose of hammering out an accord that accomplishes something like this.
You know, Canada is already demonstrating
it.
And so Tom Dick and Mary are sheep in this.
And so what happens to Tom Dick and Mary?
Okay, I mean, I know you say that, you know, you know,
The economists think that, yeah, things will get a little better for Tom Dickens.
No,
no, no.
Economists don't believe that this is going to happen.
I'm simply saying that the strategy that they describe, if they accomplish it, would accomplish the objective of improving the economy for Tom Dickens' marriage.
The problem is that I think almost every economist who will look at this plan will say that in the long run, it's not going to work.
Tom Dick and Mary are going to pay the price in the meantime, and they're not going to get the gain of the objective, because the objective won't be accomplished.
It's got too many internal inconsistencies in these strategies.
You know, Sandy, by the time, if it does work, by the time it works, they're cutting off all the social programs that would help Tom Dick and Mary bridge the gap until it happens.
What is Tom Dick and Mary supposed to do in the interim?
Well,
you know, that's how these people serve their conscience.
You sent me a video yesterday,
but
the fact is they do want to cut out.
all these programs.
They do want to come as close as possible to eliminating the income tax.
You know, Donald Trump fallaciously and disingenuously yesterday or day before yesterday said that his intent in the long run when this program is successful is to eliminate income taxes for families
with
income up to $150,000.
That was just designed politically to make those families who earn less than $150,000.
You
think it
includes them?
I think this includes them.
be a good idea.
But they do want to, and they're in the process of carving up the American government.
And the only thing that they can carve up that will cut out big expenditures are programs that expend money on behalf of Tom, Dick, and Mary.
Medicine for the poor.
How do they expect the poor to get medical
assistance?
without that they don't they don't care they don't care about the poor and the average american eight five five seven five two forty eight forty two uh you know it's friday that means friday's my coach sandy weems and you
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Yeah, well, it's about the exercise of the American power whether we should whether we should or not but clearly Donald Trump's theory is that he wants to Walk loudly and swing his stick and you know, that's that's a problem.
All right Tony says I've become more receptive to the idea of a universal basic income with the automation of so many jobs of Fund it from taxes on billionaires.
Let's go to Tim
Uh, from Eau Claire.
Good morning to you, Tim.
You say what?
Tim, are you there?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
I want to touch on.
I'm
sorry.
Turn that right off.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
And you know, for years and years, you've had.
Oh, the religious rate and a lot of these people talking about, oh, it's bad socialism.
They don't like to build their burgers in Davos.
Well, that's what these people are leading us to.
That's all I got to say.
All right, Sandy, you want to respond to that?
Well, I think what he's saying is that the Mar-a-Lago and this.
Convocation at Mar-a-Lago would be another version of Davos, where all the wealthy people in the world get together and decide what ought to happen in the world.
And yeah, I mean, the whole principle of this notion of the Mar-a-Lago Accord is that Donald Trump's going to call all these countries together and say, OK, who's
who's in with us.
If you're in with us, you know, we'll lower our tariffs with respect to you and we'll consider giving you military support.
But the price for that is that you're going to have to do a bunch of things that are not necessarily in your national interest.
in order to do it.
So, for instance, the American debt that you hold, you'll turn that in and you'll take back American debt that pays no interest for 30 years.
And so we can try and
cut back on the cost to the American budget of the carrying cost of our debt because all of you people, Japan and China and you people who hold a great deal of our debt will be cuddled into agreeing to take no interest on that debt for the life of the debt.
And those zero coupon kind of bonds sell at a big discount.
So that's actually also kind of a fallacious theory because
You know the debt unless it's taken at a great loss by each country And and the fact is that the more we put a price on Holding our debt the more likely it is that those people will want to make sure that the US dollar isn't the reserve currency Because the only reason they hold that debt is because they do they need to do so in order to preserve their dollars to carry out transactions with the dollar as the reserve currency so this
particular ploy is in the long run going to destroy the dollar as the reserve currency because it's going to increase the price to all of the countries for that proposition.
All right, let's go to CJ.
CJ, you say what?
Good morning, Ireland Sandy.
What you're seeing is leadership in just a matter of a couple of months, our borders secure, and now countries
are respecting our president.
Let me ask you something.
Is this is this about is this about countries respecting our president, the president?
What about the American people?
I don't
know.
I
mean,
I don't give a rip
about I don't give a rip about the country.
I mean, the country's respecting Donald Trump.
Well, I just want to stay on subject.
And so I'm just interested, CJ's called in.
I'm interested in whether he thinks this Mar-a-Lago Accord makes sense, whether exercising and using the American military muscle and tariff muscle to cudgel countries into doing things for us in the long run won't essentially shoot the American powerwad and put us in a totally different position.
Well, just the way you did it for NATO.
and I hear people misrepresent that he wanted to get out of NATO.
He didn't want to get out of NATO.
He wanted countries and he got countries to pay their fair share.
Hey CJ, you're not
talking about anything that we're talking about, okay?
Well, I think what he's saying is that- I know exactly what
he's saying, but go
ahead.
Well, the strategy has worked for NATO, but that's not actually so very clear either because what's happening is that these countries are setting up their own defense systems.
just today or this morning, actually today, announced they were going to spend 1.1 trillion in the pursuit of expanding their military.
They're going to make us irrelevant militarily.
And one of our biggest powers, as Earl mentioned earlier in the world, has been the military power.
Not that we're going to cause countries to coward because we'll attack them, but because we'll defend them.
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Yeah, well this one's about sort of keeping your powder dry times time is on our side Unless we decide to pursue policies that destroy that process, you know, we've
We've had moral leadership.
We've provided a military and defense umbrella to a lot of people because it benefited us, peace in the world.
And our trade policies have been exercised without a great deal of coercion.
And what's now being proposed is that we will exact the price from everybody for all of this.
And we should understand that the rational human
When presented with a price will look at alternatives and to try to figure out what it is that might be less expensive and The problem with this policy this this notion that we should return to the mercantile world of 1890
and we should have the sort of hegemonic outlook where we have empires that control various spheres of influence in the world, and that all the United States needs to do is sit down at a table with these leaders of these empires and divvy up the world.
And this is what's going on now.
We should understand that this notion that Donald Trump meets with
with Vladimir Putin and figures out with Vladimir Putin how Eastern Europe ought to be reordered and then sits down with Xi and figures out what should happen in the rest of the world with respect to the Chinese sphere of influence, means that we are no longer the leader of the free world.
What we're doing is looking out for the interests of the American Empire and we're recognizing the interests of the other
empires in the world.
All right, Republican policies sooner or later lead to socialism and communism if you want a government according to time.
Let's go to the phone lines.
Go to Mike from Kenosha.
Good morning to you, Mike.
You say what?
Good morning, guys.
Happy Friday.
Thanks for taking my call as always.
You know, there's a couple of comments I heard in a prior hour that prompted my call.
One was
I think I heard you right, Sandy, when you said that, you know, they're trying to bring all these companies back, you know, the Trump administration's trying to bring manufacturing, all these jobs back.
I gotta say, hogwash through that.
These guys are not public servants or self-serve.
It's not their plan.
Their plan has nothing to do with these people.
It has to do with grift and, you know,
taking power and control themselves for the oligarchs.
The domestic tranquility used to be a big deal with American people.
I met with some young people yesterday and I asked them what they thought about the future.
And out of the six people, the young people I talked to, all of them
said it was doom and gloom.
They're scared to death.
They were uncertain for themselves.
They had no idea which way to turn for their careers.
This whole MAGA movement has created as much angst and worry and concern and again, domestic upheaval as any that I've witnessed in my life.
So I think it's time that we get real.
Call these people for what they are.
They're self-servants.
And here, you know, we have found ourselves in the failed, trickle-down, Reaganomics, and they're doing everything they can to continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the people and BS their way, you know, into public, you know, a favor so they can get all these, I don't know what you want to call it, lies and manipulations.
And they can get away with
it.
OK, we got it, Mike.
You want to respond to that, Sandy?
Well, I do think some of these people, Scott Besant and Steve Moran, solve their conscience by explaining to themselves that the theories they're operating under are designed to return jobs to America.
But the fact is that their behavior
number one, and the likelihood of that occurring number two, belied that notion.
What's involved now, you know, Donald Trump actually specifically talked about returning to the Gilden Age and identified that age as the period from 1870 to 1913.
What's interesting about picking the year 1913 for Donald Trump is that that's the year that the United States first started the income tax.
And so he obviously believes the Gilded Age stopped when people started getting taxed on their income.
And what clearly is now involved with the Trump administration is an effort to try and reduce the income tax to the barest minimum.
He even talks about trying to use tariffs to replace income taxes, which of course only works if the tariffs don't work to bring jobs back because the only way tariffs
return revenue to the coffers of the United States as if the exports to the United States continue and people keep continuing to buy it and simply add the tariff price onto the price of what they pay, which turns it into a sales tax.
You know, Sandy, there are many people in this country who are average citizens who do get it.
You know, they understand that things have not gotten better for them.
There was this conversation about the Democrats.
and Joe Biden and what they didn't do for the American people and the average American citizen.
And so they moved on from the Democrats and Joe Biden because the average person was saying, especially those who voted for Republicans, that things were not getting better for them.
So they moved on to Donald Trump and Republicans.
And now,
with all the things that they're looking at that we're looking at and things that are being said.
Things are going to be even worse for the average citizen and all of these conversations and all the things that they're really talking about Sandy way above the average citizen and the average citizen of this country does not benefit in the long run from these from any of these things.
It's way above our pay grade and the conversation is about the taxes on the wealthiest people amongst us and all of it is about the wealthiest people amongst us and very little about the average American citizen.
Well, I mean the problem is that talking about reducing taxes only helps people who earn enough money to pay taxes and You know the the poor of this country the people who live it at the median income and below or the people who live within the top bottom 65% or 75% of income earners in this country
For them, taxes is not the issue.
Yes, they paid taxes, and if they paid fewer taxes, they'd have a little more money.
But for them, the problem relates to our health care system and the cost of health care.
It relates to the cost of child daycare
and the problems of keeping a
family together when we're working.
But
they're not talking about any of those things.
Yes, they aren't talking about
any
of those things.
They're promising only the notion that reducing taxes is going to solve
our problems.
Let's go to Marty from Milwaukee.
Good morning to you, Marty.
You say what?
Good morning, Earl.
Great show as always.
Yes, the question earlier, the power of America, to me, is the aura of America, the fact that everybody wants to come here.
That allows for the efficient, productive society that allows for our wealth and security.
Any needs that we have in industry or science, medicine, tech, those needs are filled because people want to come here.
And everything you've been talking about, Sandy, is right on point.
What they're doing is, in my opinion, they're trying to end that aura.
And when that happens, then nobody wants to buy our bonds.
As you said earlier, the reserve currency becomes, they're already talking about Brazil and a bunch of companies.
countries getting together, but not even you haven't even mentioned cryptocurrency.
Maybe that's the new future reserve currency and Donald Trump can have his picture on the coin.
So you're on point.
I think it's the fact that people want to come here.
That is the beauty of America.
All right, Marty, thank you very much for the call, Sandy.
Well, I think he's
right.
The aura of America includes all of these things.
And he's right that the people of this world, when they have their least feet are loose, walk in the direction of America today.
And I think we're beginning to eliminate even that objective.
Let's go to Richard from Walkershaw.
Good morning to you, Richard.
You say what?
Hi, guys.
Am I on?
Yes, yes, you are.
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Well, you want to hear my simple explanation of the world's economy?
Go ahead Well if you sit outside and look at the planet There's only so many people And what is there maybe 500 of the wealthiest people all in power and We basically have just become all those citizens in our country are just slaves
to the leaders of the country.
And they're just picking around as if they're in the middle class trying to get further ahead.
They're competing like the other neighborhood in sports with the other neighborhood.
They're competing on a different level and we don't exist except for what we have,
period.
Hey, Richard.
Hey, Richard, I agree with you and Sandy.
This is kind of the, the, the, the, the wealthy in this nation make, have made it clear that the rest of the American people don't count.
And, and so no, no, no, I'm just saying they've made it clear that the rest of the American people don't count.
This is about the wealthy in this nation.
and it's their nation.
And so it doesn't matter whether we get, whether things get better for us or not.
It's like a chess board and they're in total control of the lives of the American citizens.
The real problem about this is that the American citizens don't know that they need to mobilize and send that message back to those people who are manipulating us.
Whether you're Democrat or Republican, then we can't tolerate it anymore.
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Sandy with him, Sandy.
The music.
Well, I know a guy with blue eyes who might tell lots of lies.
I just, that was sort of an homage to him.
You know, Sandy, I was saying before we went to the break that as one of the average Americans, you know, frustrated.
with the wealthy amongst this nation, who act as though we don't even matter.
We're American citizens too.
And it shouldn't be what happens in this nation, shouldn't be predicated on those who have the wealth.
This is what's supposed to separate America from other nations.
But in fact, that's not what's happening.
So the average American and what the average American and their families need be damned, the wealthiest amongst us have, have laid claim to this nation.
And so the rest of us are nothing more than, than peons.
And, and so, you know, at some point in time, be, be, be they, be us, be, be, you know, Republicans or Democrats, we've got to get beyond that.
and send a message back to the wealthiest people amongst us in this country that our lives matter as well.
Well, you know, I think the horrifying thing about all these experiments and government that are being carried out now, and they're based on ideologies and not necessarily
so much
of the wealthy, exactly.
But the notions are that they've not just laid claim,
to power, they've actually gotten the power, and these experiments, when carried out, will involve pain and potential downside.
Every experiment involves potential failure, and maybe these involve probable failure, and the pain that will be experienced will be by Tom Dick and Mary.
It won't be by people who have billions of dollars, because if you have billions of dollars when your wealth is cut in half, you still have
billions of dollars.
And so, you know, the fact is that the pain in our economy is always experienced by people at or below the median income or in that neighborhood.
And so that's what's who they're playing with now.
You know,
Sandy, you just said it.
They're experimenting.
Okay.
A conspiracy.
They're experimenting.
And I know people don't like to use that term.
with the lives of the American people.
And so that can't be a good thing.
There's no way that can be a good thing for the majority of the American people, be they Democrat or Republican.
Well, I think the only reason, the only good reason for pursuing experiments where the outcome is uncertain, but...
but might be something that is desired, is when you're in a bad situation, when the situation is broken, and you need to take risks in order to get from here to there.
And so that's what's happened here.
The people who are supporting this have been required to define the current country as broken, okay?
And we've heard this rhetoric for
eight years now, which defies the reality of the situation.
You know, they've attacked the economy as in terrible shape.
They've attacked the government as being a monster when the government is what it's been for 50 or 60 or 70 years.
And so what they've had to do is create a straw man of the world is broken, the world as we know it here in America is broken.
And we're going to have to take some big risks here to try and
fix it and what they're, the big risks they're taking are really trying to fix it so that it's better for them.
All right.
Uh, let's go to where we're going.
Oh, okay.
Let's go, let's go to a Brendan, Brendan.
Good morning to you.
You say what?
I say what's, what scares me about this conversation that you're having is leaning right into what they want to lean into.
Um,
Let's get back to the kitchen table here, ladies and gentlemen.
Let's screw their experiments, screw them.
I want a president.
I want a manager.
I don't want a king.
And this guy's working his way into being a king each day.
The crazier he gets, it seems to be people like CJ, the bromance between CJ and the rest of the white males that love this guy.
you know, it continues to grow.
And we continue to get to a position where we feel more unsteady and more unsteady.
I think he needs to remember that as he pushed for the Second Amendment, there are more guns in this country than there are people.
And this isn't Russia.
When people finally get set up with all this, like I said in an earlier show,
I don't know what it's going to look like and I don't know how it's going to happen, but something's going to happen and it's not going to be good.
So let's get out on the street.
Let's start protesting.
Let's show the strength of the American people and let's get back to the kitchen table and let's remember our vets that are suffering right now.
Let's remember all the people that have had services taken away from them.
Farmers who have food rotting on the line because just idiot.
won't feed children in schools that need, you know, in the richest country in the world, supposedly.
I don't want 20 people running my country, okay?
This is a country of the people, for the people, and people need to remember that.
You guys have a good
week.
Hey, Brendan, thank you very much for the call.
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On a warm summer's eve On a train bound for nowhere I met up with a gambler We were both too tired to sleep So we took turns of staring Out the window at the darkness To boredom overtook us And he began to speak He said, son, I've made a life Out of reading people's faces And knowing what the cards were
by the way they held their eyes.
So if you don't mind my saying, I can see you're out of aces for a taste of your whiskey.
I'll give you some
advice.
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The music.
Well, like I said, I started out talking about Teddy Roosevelt walking softly, carrying a big stick.
He had to know when to use your power and when not to.
And that's what this is all about, this song.
Obviously, no one to hold him when no one to fold him.
And my concern that what I've been talking about today is my concern that the notion of the current president is walk loudly and swing your stick.
And it's going to...
My fear is that it's we're going to lose all the power.
We have we're gonna lose our station in the world and lose the dollar as reserve currency and this experiment will could have catastrophic outcome.
So all of that hadn't been said and then we'll go to the phone lines just showing here on the monitor that the White House is telling the Supreme Court to rein in the activist judges.
I mean, come on Sandy.
I mean, I mean, what are we talking about here?
Well, activist judges apparently are judges that don't agree with Donald Trump's disdain for the Constitution.
Yeah, but the fact that the White House can go to the Supreme Court and tell them, hey, fix this for me.
Well, you know, Justice Roberts, to his credit, admonished the president a couple of days ago about how it was that all this talk about, you know,
impeaching judges was totally out of place that the appellate process is the way you correct errors that you think a judge might have made.
So, you know, hopefully the Supreme Court will be immune and maybe we'll take Umbridge at this kind of a position.
You know, Sandy, even in the face of what you just said to Justice Roberts said, they come back today and say, hey, Supreme Court ran in these activist judges.
I mean, this is, come on.
Well,
he just, you know, like I said, Donald Trump operates completely outside the norm and so far has gotten
away with it.
All right, let's go to Ann from Chippewa Falls.
Good morning to you, Ann.
You say what?
Well, Earl, thanks for taking my call.
It's all about divide and conquer.
You know, I was thinking to myself, why does PJ even call in?
He doesn't listen.
He's very narrow-minded and he's got daughters and grandchildren.
And here we are.
dismantling the the department of education?
I mean, what is left for the average American and left?
You know, CJ makes millions of dollars.
I guess maybe that's why he's pro-Trump.
I really don't know.
And I'm thinking maybe he just called in because he really needs to hear the real news because Fox News is also calling out Trump a couple times and he gets mad.
And of course, he says that they're not good people.
How does anybody think that this is a good leader is beyond me if this is like our poor little white males are just so Hurt in this world that they have to get behind a king
Well, thank
you thing with America.
Thank you, Earl.
Thank you very much for the call I would say that we should stop even talking about CJ CJ is irrelevant and
And so what goes on and what we're talking about is much bigger than him.
You know, I invite CJ on because there are people in this society who think like CJ, but individually, CJ is irrelevant.
Like most of us are.
Let's go to Tom from LA.
Good morning to you, Tom.
You say what?
Good morning, Earl.
First off, we, the people, that means all of us.
of the government, where the government can prepare taxes into this thing called the government.
Second, we must, we must get money and lobbyists out of politics.
Please, everyone, go to move2amend.org.
Find the petition to get money out of politics, especially when you're spending $100 million on a state Supreme Court rate in the state of Wisconsin.
Ridiculous fight back with your vote to say hell no money in politics and vote for Susan Crawford and vote no on the amendment and make sure you also I Think what the other thing is that that's on the ballot.
Um, oh superintendent, but you don't vote for that Kinzer woman.
Um, I Have to say Sandy.
I love you, but you know what sometimes You are just too reasonable
And you sound like the Democrats that we actually criticize that are sitting in the Harvard, you know, library or in the teacher's lounge, trying to figure out the experiment that we are trying to do here.
First, trickle down economics.
Ronald Reagan, we have been trying this experiment for 50 years.
The only thing that actually helped was FDR in the 30s who actually brought about the New Deal.
That was an experiment that actually helped people.
I just would like to hear a little bit more of you not being so, you know, reasonable in terms of, oh, this is what they're doing and they're not reasonable people and they are not people that are coming to the table with any type of goodwill.
These people are out for one thing.
Money and power.
That's the experiment.
All right, John.
Thank you very much for the call.
Sandy, you want to respond?
Well, I don't think he and I just think he didn't maybe listen to me.
I'm not I'm not condensing what they're doing.
I'm simply trying to identify what they're doing.
And then I'm trying to identify the terrible downside of what they're doing.
And I think you need to understand.
what the what the strategy is of these people because they aren't expressing it and their strategy is a big proposition and it's a big experiment and it poses a great danger to all of us and so I think it's necessary that we do talk about it because otherwise if we simply arm wave angrily, if we simply wear pink dresses when we show up in Congress, we aren't going to effectively stop it.
So my thing is, yes, we have to have the conversation.
And it's one of the things we do on this show.
And in many instances, more so than most.
But gotta have a candid conversation.
Let's go to David from San Francisco.
Good morning to you, David.
You say what?
Oh, thanks, Sandy.
The PSA that got run at the start of the hour about the local lead testing, that kind of explains Project 2025.
There's a website called Project 2025 Tracking.
And there are two different versions of it.
One is Pro Project 2025.
And when you go through each of the items,
Basically, a lot of them have to do with pollution or corporate crimes that they want to cover up.
So destroying the EPA, eliminate the Office of Environmental Justice and External Civil Rights.
stop the tracking of pollution, stop the monitoring, stop the... And so when you look at all of these different kinds of pollution cases, corporate crime cases that have been going on for decades, these guys have been getting away with murder.
The people have slowly but surely gotten the government to start to do some of this stuff.
And bam, all of a sudden Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society, they're all of a piece because they support the polluters and they don't want us to be protected.
So, you know, I would just start with that.
And then of course, Trump, he's a part of what they called the corporate state.
So so
David listen to respond Sandy
Well, you know, I think the the telling point is that the conservatives don't like government But they love police, you know police are definitely the government and they can the police, you know get in people's way But it's not inconvenient for the wealthy, but the EPA OSHA the FDA The FAA all these organizations
get in the way of those who have power and money and so these are the things we're talking about getting rid of defunding actually you know defund the government you know there was a big hue and cry some some years ago when defund the police became a notion that some people were were describing
But defunding the government is apparently just perfect and defunding all the agencies that are inconvenient and police.
The activities of corporate America are particularly inconvenient.
You know, Sandy, they've been successful.
They've been successful in getting a segment of the American people, Tom Dick and Mary, if you will, to buy into that.
And if they weren't successful in getting the average, you know, some Tom Dickens, some of Tom Dickens Mary buying into it, they would have never gotten elected.
They've gotten elected with that same rhetoric.
Well, I think the notion is they've persuaded the people of America.
There's something going, running a muck.
culturally in America.
And there are people out there, Tom, Dick and Mary, who have a sense that they aren't liking a direction that culture is going.
And the claim is that the problem is the government.
The government is the source of this misdirection.
And the government, apparently the EPA, the OSHA, the Department of Education, these are all apparently the culprits in the misdirection in America, which is...
Totally fallacious.
The reason they want to get rid of all these things is taxes.
Yeah, that's and and so and so that's it more than anything else, Sandy.
It's it's their own pocket books.
And so the American people be damned.
It's the pocket books of the wealthy and the pocket books aren't fat enough.
OK.
Well, they they would claim and the people who support Doge.
have this belief that somehow Doge is there to reduce the size of the annual deficits in our budget and therefore attack the scale of our national debt.
But the fact is that the same people who are carrying out Doge and sponsoring it are promoting tax reductions which far exceed the amount of savings that Doge promises to create.
So they're not promising a reduction in deficits.
That's baloney.
Let's go
to Beverly.
Good morning to you, Beverly.
You say what?
I want to thank you for the talk of your conversations, Eric.
You're
talking about things honestly and passionately, but not with anger.
And the people that are getting angry, they want people to swing at things when there's nothing to hit and it's counterproductive.
So I just wanted to thank you so much for the nature of your
of your conversation?
Well, thank you very much.
You know, the conversation is predicated on my co-host, Sandy.
And we talk about these things that are important to all of us.
You know, Sandy, it is so frightening.
The future of our nation is at stake.
And that's what people need to understand.
all the other things you know that's one thing but the future of the of your great-grandchildren that's what this is about right yeah
I mean that's what
that's really what this is about who
yeah the nature of the America that they will live in as compared to the nature of the America that we have lived in
And I'm very worried about that because people don't seem to put much credence.
I saw some polling that was done about whether people cared about individual liberties more than the comfort that they experience in life.
And the polling suggested that people put much greater preference on the comforts of their life than they did on individual liberties.
And I think it's only because we've all taken individual liberties
for granted.
We don't know what we have until we don't have it anymore.
And when we don't have it anymore, it's a terrible thing.
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Uh, Cardi, if you'll, oh yeah.
Okay.
London's Heathrow Airport, one of the busiest transportation centers in the world will be shut down through Friday after a massive fire caused a power out at sending hundreds of thousands of people in the UK and around the world scrambling to make alternative travel plans.
There were eerie scenes at the almost empty airport in one case.
people had to haul their heavy luggage down the darkened stairwell with only a cell phone to light the way.
So I've been to Heathrow Airport and I know how massive that is.
And you know, firefighters evacuated 29 people from surrounding homes and 150 more in an exclusion zone were taken to arrest center.
But anyway, let's get back to the phone lines.
Let's go to Cassandra.
Good morning, Chief Cassandra.
You say what?
Hi, Errol and Sandy.
Well, I'm sorry to hear that news about the Heathrow Airport, but yeah, my thoughts and prayers go out to those families.
Yeah, I, you know, I've just been listening to the show and I have to say that in part I would agree with Tom who called in earlier and
You know, he stated that Sandy was a little too dispassionate about many of the economic policies he was reviewing.
As you all know, I am a Biden-Trump voter.
That's what they call us.
The Democratic Party, they're just not messaging.
what the, what MAGA or the Republicans are doing with the economy.
Are you all aware that Nebraska, the state, the entire state of Nebraska has announced that if they do not receive federal assistance, the entire state will have to file bankruptcy in two quarters?
Now that is the result of Republican
policies and Donald Trump's policies.
But Earl, Earl, but, but you have to tell the full story.
What's the
full story, Cassandra?
It is, it is also because they are not getting enough revenues from the tax cuts that they are Republican legislature passed.
Again, Republican policies.
But Earl, this is the message the Democrats should be stating.
Tax cuts aren't free.
You have to pay for
it.
Cassandra, let me.
I hate to interrupt you, but you've got it twisted.
You've got it backwards.
You, the Republicans whom you voted for and Donald Trump.
These are their policies and you're turning around and saying instead of ridiculing the people who put these policies in place, you're saying that the opposition should do something to stop them from hurting the very people who voted for them.
Oh, if you don't tell what what the other party is doing.
No one will know.
But you just said the people in Nebraska, they don't need to be told anything.
They're hurting because of the people they voted for.
Sandy, go ahead.
Well, I just think the criticism was essentially that we were too cerebral about a discussion here and not carrying the message that Democrats ought to carry.
Well, quite frankly, that isn't my job.
I'm not here to carry the message for Democrats.
I thought it was important that we talk about what it is that is this national economic policy that's ongoing that's never been disclosed to us, that is hidden
from us, what are these supposed objectives and what are the dangers from it?
And I think that it's a compelling sort of a discussion that needs to be had because it is an extremely preposterous experiment that's being done at our
with us at risk and whether or not it's the emotional argument that we ought to be caring about in terms of every day's events with respect to the Republican and Democratic contest.
I don't know, but I think it's a discussion worth having.
Cassandra, go ahead.
Earl, we have to deal with facts here.
full facts in order to persuade people
that's
all I have
to say.
And Cassandra, full facts are this was not occurring when Joe Biden was president.
And so Nebraska wasn't concerned about having to file bankruptcy.
It's only now because of again, policies of Donald Trump and Republicans, people who you voted for.
Okay.
It didn't happen under.
tell your party to tell the full story.
This is important information to know.
Tax cuts are not free.
I understand that.
The Republican Party wants two trillion dollars out of the federal budget.
I know, but Cassandra,
why
did you vote for them?
No, actually, the Republican Party wants four and a half trillion.
But Cassandra, why did you vote for them?
All right.
Why did you vote for
them?
Well,
the Republicans certainly are doing something and it's a whole lot worse than what the Democrats would have ever done.
I wish I had more time.
Thank you very much because Sandy, thank you as always.
Thank you everybody who made the show go.
I'll be back on Monday with Motown Mondays up next Greg Bach and Jane Madden there, Madden there on there.
Thank you, Cardi.
See you guys on Monday.
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