All Eyes on Wisconsin and the State Supreme Court Races (Hour 1)

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Good morning to you, Cardi.

How you doing, my friend?

Man, I'm pretty good, man.

Thanks for asking, Earl.

How are you today,

man?

Hey, listen, man.

You know, every time you get to breathe in oxygen, you're doing pretty good, man.

You know, I just realized it's kind of...

So, you know, we breathe in oxygen, right?

Yeah.

What if we're really breathing in consciousness?

Just think about it.

Just think about it.

What if we're really breathing in consciousness instead of oxygen?

Well, so, so, so here's what I would say.

Talk to me.

We're going to have consciousness if we if we open our ears in the next.

few minutes, you're going to hear some consciousness from my guests.

And, you know, you know, it's always great to have people on.

I think it's so important, man.

Talk shows shouldn't be about the host.

It should be about the guests.

And it should be about the people who can bring knowledge and information to you.

And with that backdrop on the welcome, Mr. Pat Dennis, he is the president of America.

America 21st century.

Good morning to you, sir.

Tell us a little bit about America 21st century.

Hey, Earl, it's great to be here.

Yeah, my name is Pat Dennis.

I run, it's called American Bridge.

We're

you know, we're one of these political organizations.

We've been working, you know, we work elections all over the country, but we've been in Wisconsin, folks on the ground, hiring folks from Wisconsin for over a decade at this point, I think 11 years ago, we were, we were fighting on the, on the Act 10 stuff, fighting Scott Walker, going, you know, this has just been such an incredibly important state, also a state because of how, how much

Controversy you guys have had how many fights you've got it's had, you know important fights for like, you know, this isn't just like theoretical stuff.

We've been talking about rights for everyday people, you know the ability to Have a good job to bargain, you know, there's a lot of good political talent in your state So we're we're over we're over indexed on folks, you know, we got a bunch of folks who are from Wisconsin who live in Wisconsin who were just You know really really

Politically talented and are good at these fights, but here we are.

We're back again.

We got another we got another big fight.

Let

me ask you

man, uh, you know, tell us a little bit about you.

Uh, you

said

you or you were here fighting when Scott Walker, man, how old were you 12?

No,

no, I was older than that.

So I was actually before, before Scott Walker stuff, I was down in Ohio, um, uh, doing stuff down there.

And, uh, yeah, I mean, I was probably 26 back then.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah, I mean coming in and act 10 that was where you really saw and back then it wasn't Elon Musk It was the Koch brothers, but they were coming in and they were trying to change the laws They were trying to change the rights people have they were trying to change the way Everything work, you know, could you get a good paycheck all that and you saw people rise up?

I think back to those days and just the amount of

of, you know, the people that were there, the energy that was there.

And look, they were dark days.

They were dark times.

We're kind of back in those dark times.

But anyway, I did a lot of work on that Scott Walker stuff.

I sort of, you know, work my way up through, through different elections.

And now I'm here in a running organization.

Well, I guess people would ask the question, you're in DC.

Yeah.

This is a state superintendent's race.

You know, we just had one a year ago.

Yeah.

Why is this one so important?

I mean, we're talking, we might see $70 million or more invested in a state supreme court seat last year.

It was, it was 59 million.

Yeah.

What's going on,

man?

I mean, it's weird, right?

Like I, I worked center races where we spent 30 and that seemed like a lot at the time.

And now this is, but.

This is just a fact of where we are right now in our politics and Donald Trump has brought in a kind of politics where it just seems like you can buy the election right you can come in you can spend money you can just put up a lot of ads and You know you can you come away with a lot of power and you know the founders

A lot of problems with, uh, you know, how the founders came in and structured stuff, but we've always kind of worked it out, but nobody anticipated a world where you have a co-president, the president, the co-president is a billionaire and, you know, he knows he doesn't control these state level races.

So he's got to come in.

He's got to, um, try to take control, put his own people in charge and just sort of take out the checks and balances that, that, you know,

give people a check on the sort of executive authority of the federal government.

So that's why we're here, right?

It's about people's rights.

It's about can people fight for the actual laws they want.

the laws they vote for, or are they gonna come in with these folks who are just like, you know, gonna legislate from the bench?

Are they gonna say, oh no, this law that you passed that helps people can't have it because, you know, I'm a conservative and if they didn't write it in the Constitution 200 years ago or some 1849 law says we can't do it, you know, they'll come up with whatever justification they need to kill laws that actually help people.

So let me ask you because, you know, here you are.

in Washington DC and your organization is fighting here for the people in the state of Wisconsin.

What are your thoughts when 50% of the American people don't vote because they don't feel that there's any reason to vote?

And

at the same time, somebody's investing $70 million, they know the

difference.

How can we be?

Man, we're we're polar

opposites.

Yeah.

People thought people died for the right to vote.

Look,

well,

that worked, man.

That worked for my generation when you said that.

I don't think it works today.

No, it

doesn't.

And honestly, you know, you're not supposed to say this when you're in Washington, D.C.

I think a lot of it comes down to the political class.

So the way politics have been done, people don't feel like.

Democrats, Republicans are looking out for them.

Unfortunately, that means in a world where actual real life people with real life concerns don't vote, that helps Republicans, right?

That is the world where you can come in and you can start taking away rights.

You can take away the right to abortion.

You can start giving contracts to your own people, because nobody's paying attention.

Oh, it doesn't matter.

So part of this is on us, right?

We got to show that we can deliver for folks.

We got to win some fights.

We can't just always...

be fighting.

Oh, you know, we're so scared.

Please don't hurt us, Mr. Trump.

You know, we got to, we got to show that we can fight.

So part of that's on us, but

People also and you know, you hate to see it people are gonna get hurt from what's happening right now The stuff in this in the Supreme Court race really matters, but also just the general march of power being centralized in Washington You know, they're gonna suddenly shut down trade and look there are dairy farmers in Wisconsin who think shutting down trade is great because I think they'll make a lot of money, but The fact of the matter is if you can't

you know if you can sell your milk for more money because we can't trade with anybody that's great but if nobody has any money left because they all lost their job because everything costs 25 percent more you know real people are going to be hurting

people aren't going to be able to, you know, feed their families.

So this is the direction we're heading.

Meanwhile, Elon Musk will buy another couple of islands.

If you guys are just joining me, my guess is Mr. Pat Dennis, he's with American Bridges, uh, 21st century.

I have to say to you, you, you said you, you're not supposed to say what you said.

You're in Washington, DC, but I referred to it as politics.

And I

refer to them as polytricksters.

Because when you tell people one thing and you do another, it

is the

reason why people don't vote is because nothing changes for them.

Be they Democrat or Republican, their lives don't get any better.

And they struggle in the wealthiest nation on earth.

And this dirty game keeps moving down the road.

And so, and so lobbyists become more important than the voters on both sides of the equation.

So, so how do you fix that?

How do you get people to, to feel that, that, that they've been taught all these things about our country, about our government, about politics,

and

then, and then nothing changes for them.

It

only gets worse.

It only gets worse.

And that, that is the key there, right?

So.

Things have you know for everyday people things have not been going great for the past 10 years the past 20 years That doesn't mean things can't get a lot worse and this is what scares me so much.

We're looking at it now We're looking at it now you have folks who if you if you just want to actually describe what Republicans are trying to do right now in you know leaving leaving Wisconsin in

into national politics, they have two legislative goals.

Number one, cut taxes for rich people.

That is not, they're not hiding that.

That is what they're saying.

Cut taxes for rich people.

And number two, they got to pay for that somehow.

So they're taking $800 billion at a healthcare.

And that's not, that's not just like, oh, you know, some little program.

That is the actual healthcare that everyday people are on.

You have places, you know, in the Midwest where more than half of the children.

can see a doctor because of these programs that they're cutting.

That is really going to hurt people.

So look, things, I mean, I hate to say it, things can get worse.

We got to fight against it.

But it's just one of these things where they're just going to take an inch, they're going to take an inch, and then all of a sudden you can't see a doctor anymore.

It's unacceptable.

We need politicians who can fight for this stuff, but we also need politicians who can explain it, who can talk about it.

But at the same time, we need judges, right?

We need fair judges who can like rule on the law and not just say, yes, sir, Mr. Billionaire, we're going to do what you

want.

So you just stole my thunder.

The truth of the matter is people ask the question,

Why?

Why the Supreme Court?

Why are we so concerned about this when we watched the whole world falling apart?

And yet you're telling me that this is the most important thing for me to be concerned about.

Why is the Supreme Court race in the state of Wisconsin so critically important for us to be focused on and the fact that you guys are here and working and doing the kind of things that we're going to be joined later on by former Attorney General Eric Holder?

He's going

to be

calling because clearly this is a serious, serious race because the big guns are coming out.

I mean, even Pat Dennis is out.

But anyway, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, forty, eight, forty two.

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My guest is the president of American Bridge 21st Century, Mr. Pat Dennis.

So Pat, you know, one of the reasons that you wanted to, I mean, that we have you on today is there's a guy who is running for the state supreme court that people need to know a little bit about.

Uh, I think you know a little bit about him.

Let's, uh, let's have added, man.

Let's talk a little bit about who Brad Schimel is.

Yeah.

Let's talk about it.

First, I got to get in my little plug.

Early voting starts today.

And if you want to make your life easy, vote early.

That's, uh, that's what I always say, but look, this is so important.

You know, the person.

who's coming into this role is going to make life and death decisions and they're either going to be making them to help people or they're going to be making them for other reasons, right?

And Brad Schimmel, you've seen the kind of decisions he made.

Dude was Attorney General.

When there's a rape in Wisconsin, they take a rape kit.

Everybody knows this.

It has potential DNA evidence, whatever.

There are thousands of these things that haven't been tested from

Rapist victims just the evidence is there.

They don't even test it to go see to go see, you know, if they can catch the guy So Brad Schimmel comes in

How many, they had 6,000 untested rape kits.

They tested nine of them.

And look, he's out there.

He's running lawsuits.

He's, he's trying to go after Planned Parenthood.

He's spending a million dollars on, uh, you know, on attacking Planned Parenthood, going to Washington DC to talk in front of the Supreme court.

And that's just like a basic kind of decision he's making where there are like actual people out there, victims of crimes who, uh, he could be helping, but instead he's up there trying to get on Fox news, trying to, trying to become kind of.

a conservative, uh, you know, talker, just so he could build his profile to run to get into positions of power like this, to get these billionaires to come in and want to spend money for them.

But there were thousands of people whose evidence was never tested.

And what did he do?

Did he go and test it to try to get it fixed?

No, he just kept lying about it.

So.

Look, he, the guy cut down plea deals for child molesters.

Uh, you know, there was a child sexual assault victim, uh, who he, he attacked us having like bad judgment.

Right.

It's just the kind of guy where, you know, where his priorities are, and they're just with himself, with his buddies, with, you know, Washington, D.C.

And I can say that cause I'm from Washington, D.C.

And you can, you can, uh, see those people.

And it's just, it's just disgusting.

It's just what kind of person do you have there making these decisions?

It's the job of judge.

You know, what is your judgment like?

You know, man, he really is not exactly a very bright man because I'm just saying that, you know, I've seen him.

I've listened to him for a long, long time, long before Scott Walker gave him the job that he had long before, you know, he was the state attorney general.

He's not a very bright guy.

And so when you, when you, I saw him last week,

Before or I heard him last week before he appeared in the debate.

He was on the conservative Talk show the morning of the debate.

Yeah, man.

All he did was suck up.

Well, you know, I'm Trump and you're in the Republicans and I'm a Republican and you vote for me.

I'm gonna, you know, but then that evening when he went before the television cameras.

Well, this is not partisan.

It shouldn't be.

I'm like, Hey, man, you know, I mean,

They got you on tape, man, sucking up to conservatives and Republicans.

And then you turn around on television and you can't change who you are, man.

Some of us are aware of that.

And that's not what we're looking for in a Supreme Court justice, is it?

No, and this is it's like they think people are stupid right they go to their own folks They say one thing, you know, we're gonna come in we're gonna buy this election We're gonna fight for you know conservative rights of all these folks and then they turn around and talk to voters and they say another thing It's you know, it's the politician

thing.

And it's, you talk about him not being very smart.

This is the kind of system they've created there in the Republican party where there's nothing to do with, can you do a good job?

We know the guy can't do a good job is everything to do with loyalty.

Can you show loyalty?

Can you kiss the right butts?

Can you kiss the right rings?

And, and if you can do that, it doesn't matter, right?

You'll just keep getting new jobs.

There's nothing to do with how good you are.

You know, the fear that I have though, Pat, is when they, when they, you know,

kind of did some You know, you're seeing where they run and find out about Who's voting which way I forgot what you call those things They kind of show huh the pole.

Yeah poles that that you know, it was either dead heat or he was leading a little bit and my fairies The people in this state who voted for Donald Trump they haven't learned that lesson

Because the apple don't fall too far from the tree, right?

And so if you haven't learned anything through Donald Trump and what Donald Trump is doing, I'm fearful that you're going to vote for this Yehu.

Why?

Not because of his beliefs or any of those things, but you're going to vote for him because, you know, and you can't even say he's a conservative because.

These people aren't even conservatives, man.

He's a MAGA.

Yeah, that's right.

You know, conservatives, you know, I disagree with a lot of them, but they had principles, right?

The MAGA people is just about power.

But the last poll I saw, you know, it was 47, 47.

Uh, tight, tight race was 6% undecided.

And a lot of the question is who are these 6% and by and large, it's not.

You know, it's not folks like you it's folks who they just don't have a ton of time to pay attention to politics You know, they probably got three kids.

They're trying to get on the school.

They're trying to they got two jobs They're trying to get by and these are the people who are gonna get hurt the most, right?

They're coming after these folks healthcare You saw, you know, these folks parents are on social security They need that social

security

check you got by and they put you know They put out a memo in the social security administration that just leaked yesterday where they're looking to cut the phone lines to so

security.

So you got to supply online, got to apply online, no matter your 80 years old, never used a computer before.

And that's the way they're looking to save money, right?

It's all about saving money for these tax

guys.

Hey, Pat, can you hang on a second?

Yeah.

All right.

You're going to hang on a second, right?

All right.

Yep.

All right.

My, my guess is Pat Dennis, American bridge, 21st century, eight, five, five, seven, five, two.

Hey man, I'm really, uh, impressed.

with you and your organization and we got to do this again.

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My guess is Mr. Pat Denisey is the president of American Bridges 21st Century.

You know, American Bridges 21st Century.

Let me ask you, Pat.

You talked about Brad Schimmel and and who he is and And you look at these horrible commercials man and the amount of money That they spend why is it so important for the Republicans?

Well, I shouldn't ask a dumb question because they just control our state Supreme Court for the last decade or more and and we just seen in

just a one year that there's been some some backtracking and some balance brought back to the state.

When the Democrats were able to just in one year, you know, gain a little ground.

So is it that not just here, but across the nation, Republicans know the importance of controlling states?

And so as we saw this, I think.

Prior to, you know, when Donald Trump wanted to win it, they had controlled 32 state seats.

Uh, did the Democrats not know that?

Well, that's been a problem for a long time, right?

Republicans they are all about power They know where the power is and they zero in on that and too much in the past people wouldn't fight back They let them do it.

They'd

say,

oh, you know, I like I like national politics I'm not a state politics guy and that is just unacceptable because they come into these places and what are the things they do?

They go after paychecks, right?

That was the thing when they came in and took over Wisconsin They went after after working day

people's paychecks.

As they said, this is too expensive.

We got all these business owners who are paying too much in taxes.

Meanwhile, we got somebody out there working a public sector job collecting garbage and they get too much health care.

That's where the priorities are, and they know.

You know, they know they can come in and people maybe they won't pay attention to say what what is the state Supreme Court?

What is the state Senate office?

You know and they come in and they get these levers of power That's why there's so much money coming into this race is because people are starting to stand up and say no way like this is we've seen you know A decade of people getting hurt for this and you just can't stand for it anymore.

You know man It really was heartbreaking

over the last 10 years or so.

Oh, hang on, man.

We got the Attorney General, Eric Holder on the line.

Hey, good morning to you, Attorney General Eric Holder.

How are you doing, sir?

Well, I'm doing just fine, Earl.

How are you doing?

I'm doing fine.

It's good to hear your voice again.

It's been many years, but you're still in the battle, and that's good to know that you're still fighting to fight.

Yeah, Wisconsin is some of the place that means a lot to me It's a place where we've had a lot of success in breaking up the gerrymanders that for too long really kind of skewed the government in this state towards a special interest and away from The people and now I'm here to talk about an extremely important Supreme Court race involving a candidate.

I think who's unbelievably qualified Susan Crawford

against the guy who is Elon Musk's puppet, this guy Brad Schimmel.

And so I think the choice is clear, but everybody's got to get out there and vote for Susan Crawford and say no to Elon Musk.

You know, I think the Isley Brothers said it best, Attorney General Holder, it's your thing, do what you want to do.

Exactly right.

I mean, the reality is that we control our own fate.

And if you look at Susan Crawford, she was a tough prosecutor.

She's been a tough but fair judge as opposed to this guy, Shimmel, who left thousands of rape kits.

untested, wasted millions of dollars to impose restrictions on abortion.

He supports this 1849 abortion law that has no exception.

He sued to overturn Obamacare.

He is a person who has defended the state's really egregious gerrymanders that I've had a hand in trying to overturn.

And then he wants to turn the Wisconsin Supreme Court into a support network for Donald Trump.

And Elon Musk, I guess, just last week gave him $10 million.

So that tells you who this guy is.

And compared to Susan Crawford, an unbelievably qualified and fair judge, this choice is clear.

People need to start voting.

Early voting starts today.

The election's able to first, the choice could not be more clear.

You know, I mean, there are elections going on all over the country.

But this one is getting the most attention.

You know, as as a Wisconsinite, I'm still trying to figure out why why this one is getting more attention than any other.

Well, I tell you, because I think the Musk and Trump see that in Wisconsin is an important state.

It's a swing state, and they want to put somebody on the Supreme Court who will tilt tilt things towards them in a whole variety of ways, not the least of which comes to with regard to your electoral system.

As I said,

We've been successful in breaking up the gerrymandering.

They want to put it back in place and that has an impact not only on the state, but on the federal election as well.

And that's why this, this matters to them so much.

They're trying to go everywhere.

I mean, they're doing all kinds of things with the federal government, but they're getting involved in state government elections as well.

Wisconsin is the first big election in 2025.

It's why Donald Trump Jr.

was here, was here, you know, campaigning for this guy, for this guy, Schimel.

And again, if you kind of narrow your eyes and look at this guy, Schimel, you know who you're going to see?

You're going to see Donald

Trump.

That's what you're going to see.

You know, you know, Attorney General Holder, what do you say to people who are listening right now who say, I'm, I'm tired.

I'm frustrated.

I haven't recovered.

from the presidential election and things aren't going according to plan.

And now you want me to get out and vote.

I don't feel up to it.

I'm still broken hearted.

What do you say to those people?

Yeah, I understand that feeling.

I understand that feeling of disappointment.

But I tell people, listen to Fannie Lou Hamer, you know, that famous civil rights activist who said.

I'm in no ways tired.

Here's the reality.

Democracy is a participatory game.

There are no off years when it comes to the defense of democracy.

And so I know you're tired.

I know you might be disappointed.

But the way to get yourself undisappointed, if there is such a word, the way in which you get yourself activated again is to participate.

And all that I'm asking you to do is to register.

Make sure you register.

Get out there.

Do early voting.

Vote before April 1st, and you're going to feel better about yourself.

You know, this is a fight.

This is a fight.

And if we don't fight, if we don't participate, the other side is going to win.

So we don't have the luxury of feeling tired.

We don't have the luxury of feeling exhausted.

We don't have the luxury of feeling down.

I understand it.

I understand the feelings that people have, and they're legitimate.

legitimate things, but I would ask people to get beyond those feelings and to get back out there and to vote.

It's the very thing that people before us sacrificed, committed themselves, gave their lives so that we would have the ability to vote.

And that's how we honor the ancestors by voting.

You know, you know, you're here, you're up this morning, you're talking about a person who

Miss Crawford, Judge Crawford, who I had on, who I interviewed, who I saw debate, Brad Shimmel and Cleanest Clock, and a very strong woman, very forceful woman, and, you know, upright.

Isn't that what we're looking for?

That's exactly what we're looking for.

We're looking for somebody who will be impartial.

who decide cases on the basis of the facts and the law, not like somebody like Schimel, who is gonna decide cases on the basis of the special interest, who's gonna bring his ideology to deciding how cases are decided.

And here's the deal.

Elon Musk brought a lawsuit against the state of Wisconsin like five, 10 days before he deposited $10 million into Schimel's account.

Now you think that that money is going to Schimel's...

campaign without any expectation that there's going to be a return on that investment.

No, that's who Schimel is.

Susan Crawford, by contrast, is not beholden to anybody.

I'm not sure how she's going to vote on any particular case, but I know she's fair.

I know she's going to follow the law.

And I know that as a result of that, we'll get good decisions out of her.

I have no confidence in Schimel, no confidence whatsoever.

Well, you know, last, last request.

What do you say to the listeners who

on the fence and who say, well, Democrats haven't done the things for us that we wanted.

I'm disappointed.

And so, you know, one should have anything to do with the other.

But I hear my callers and some say, Democrats, I'm done with Democrats.

How do you fix that by saying I'm voting for Brad Schimmel?

Well, I tell you, if you look at what Democrats have done both nationally and here in the state of Wisconsin, progress has been made.

Maybe not as much progress as we have wanted, but if you look at Schimel and you look at the Republicans, they're against equal opportunity.

They are for racial and partisan gerrymandering.

They don't want to make the state better for everybody.

They want to make the state work for the special interest.

And yeah, you know, if the party, if the Democratic Party has not been all that you have wanted it to be, well, then elect people who will work for the people.

And the Democratic Party, I think, has done just a much better job than the Republican Party.

It doesn't mean Democrats have been 100% effective.

But in this case, in this case, the choice, this is not a close choice.

I mean, this really is not.

I've been coming here and

you know, working for candidates, Supreme Court candidates, state legislative candidates,

government

authority candidates, but this one's not close.

Susan Crawford is so much better than Brad Schimmel that if you want to have the shot at having a better government, having, making sure that Democrats are doing the things that you want them to do, you can't put a guy like Schimmel in place who will make sure that the special interests

are the ones that are protected and not the people.

So vote for Susan Crawford, do it today and do it no later than April 1st.

Well, we thank you very much from the depths of our heart, taking the time out today and reminding people just how critically important this race is and the difference between the two.

All right.

Okay, it's great to talk to you, man.

Take care.

All right, always good talking to you.

Thank you very much.

That's former Attorney General Eric Holder.

You know my guest, Pat Dennis, who is the president of American Bridge 21st Century, he kind of echoed some of the sentiments you were saying.

Yeah, I'm honored 30 general holders a hero of mine I want to shout out some of the work he's been doing on you know Republicans love to pick their voters and they love to take voters who would vote against them Stick them in a district where their vote can never really count because they're outnumbered by other folks create these crazy shaped districts where you end up in a situation where you know It's just a Republicans gonna win no matter what and that kind of creates this situation where

Um, you know, people feel like their vote doesn't matter.

Eric Holder has been right out there every single day fighting to stop, uh, stop that from happening to make sure we have fair districts, fair maps.

Um, I just wanted to say it's important.

And it's also an important part of this race, right?

Making sure the Republicans can't pick their own voters.

You know, man, he, he, he never left the scene, right?

I mean, he kind of ramped it up and you know, he's, he's certainly.

dirty his hands, if you will.

He's a guy who, who could be above the free, but, but he's certainly come down.

Yes.

He, he, he's in the fight.

And, um, and so that's, that's a good thing, man.

Cause you know, a lot, a lot of people once they, uh, on that level have moved away, but you say this man, what do you, what do you say as people, um, uh, listening right now.

And, uh, again, I'll ask you the same thing.

Yeah disappointed in the Democrats.

Yeah, and you watch the Democrats as they are kind of Battling that out.

I will say this man Long overdue this we've got a big tent You know kind of you know policies that they've had you know, it's time man.

It's time that it gets dirty and inside of the house and then and then

Somebody comes out victorious and it's no longer where we got a big tent.

You know, I mean, come

on.

Yeah.

I mean, look, I get it if you're frustrated with the Democratic Party.

How do you deal with that?

You go in there and you, you know, you support your people for office.

You run for office yourself.

You get out there and vote, make sure, you know, you answer the polls.

People know you vote and the Democratic Party can change.

It needs to change.

You know, we're fighting with each other right now, but it's a useful fight because it's going to come down.

So are we going to help people?

What are we going to do to help people?

How are we going to do it?

How are we going to put up a real fight?

And look, you got to be out there.

You can't just get out of the ring.

Otherwise, uh, the wrong folks will be in charge.

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All right, welcome back to the early income shows always you can join us at eight five five seven five two forty eight forty two eight five five seven five two forty eight forty two Texas that same number, my guess is Mr. Pat Dennis.

He is American president of America's American's Bridge 21st century.

Last couple of minutes, sir.

So

What do you want to say to people who are listening?

Who?

I mean, you guys are out.

You're you're you're knocking on doors.

Why is that so important?

Why?

Why is the interaction between between what you do and the voters so important and why?

And why is that more important than than commercials where all the money's being spent?

I mean, you can't compete with all the money, right?

Yeah,

they got a lot of money.

And that's not to say commercials don't matter.

They do matter.

People got to hear it and people got to hear the message wherever they are, right?

The thing is the real folks who are going to decide this election, you know, there are people, you know, including most of the people listening to your show who are well informed.

They know what's going on.

They hear from people.

They hear from Eric Holder, but the 6% were undecided.

That might be your cousin.

That might be your uncle.

That's somebody who, you know,

is working hard doesn't have time to pay for that pay attention to this maybe just don't like to pay attention to it and those are the folks where it's the difference between

you know, are kids going to be able to get health care?

Are we going to have fair maps or our vote matters?

Are we going to just be able to, you know, maintain the constitutional right to abortion in this state?

That's the kind of stuff, that's the kind of people who are going to be most impacted by how this election goes.

And it's not, you know, I'm not mad at them.

These people are working hard.

They're like living, you know, in a lot of cases of life with a lot of stress, but we

Gotta be out there communicating and you know, that means knocking on their door.

It means talking to them means getting on the radio wherever we can just say How important this is how important the stakes are early voting starts today, you know, bring two or three people It's a it's a way you can have a lot of power.

Well, you know, Tony says commercials aren't conversations conversations persuade

That's true,

you

know

That's definitely true.

And, you know, like you were talking about, people are kind of mad, right?

And people are disappointed with the Democratic Party.

I don't think anybody expects that Democrats are going to, you know, fully become everything anybody ever dreamed of overnight, but they want to see people out there talking to them.

Know just where your values are, where your fight is.

I was in Milwaukee.

I flew out during the RNC, right?

The Republicans were in town and I, you know, I came in because I wanted to mix it up with them a little bit and

I, something you do when I fly into a town and they're hosting you as a guest, right?

You go to the local restaurant, you leave a big tip, you like, you know, you take care of people who are taking care of you.

Around that convention center, there, those restaurants were empty.

People left the convention center, got in their Ubers, went right back to the hotel in the suburbs, didn't, you know, I, me and my crew were the only folks out there talking to waitresses.

I think this is the kind of thing.

Are you.

Uh, are you looking out for people?

Are you looking out for everyday working people?

Are you looking out for these billionaires?

And, uh, for, for the Republican side, it's the billionaires.

There's no question.

You know, you know, man, um, as, as this thing, you know, inches closer to the end as it relates to, you know, the supreme court race, there's going to be another one and another one because they're the way they're, they're staggered.

There's there's this is gonna be repeating itself.

So do you foresee that each time Even more money gets poured into this 70

million

dollars

I'm kind of hoping that these billionaires will spend a lot of money, not get the return, start to think that, hey, maybe we can't just buy people's votes and then maybe they'll stop and we can go back to races that are defined by people who live in Wisconsin, who are from Wisconsin, who are focused on Wisconsin issues instead of the row of billionaires that was lined up behind Trump at the inauguration.

Um, I think ultimately that'd be better for democracy, but if we got a fight, we got a fight and we'll be in there fighting,

you know, the people outnumber the billionaires,

right?

I mean, there's, there's no question that the people outnumber the billionaires and that if you can get the people to understand their collective power, which is really what it's about.

And what you are doing and what American Bridge 21st century is about is getting the people to understand they still possess the power to make the decisions and control what happens in this country, regardless of how much money is spent.

Is it safe to say that?

Absolutely.

And, you know, you got to fight.

You got to stand up there and fight.

You got to talk to people.

You got to make the argument.

You got to show, you know, can't just tell people your values.

You got to show people your values.

But this is what it's all about.

Hey, Pat, thank you very much, man.

Thank

you so much for having me.

Really

appreciate it.

It's a pleasure to get to know you.

We got to do it again.

Very much impressed with you and your organization.

Well, thank you.

And thanks for everything you do with this program.

It's incredibly important.

Amen.

Keep up the good work.

All right.

855-752-4842.

That's Mr. Pat Denise.

He's the president of American Bridges 21st Century.

And they are doing the work here across the state of Wisconsin.

uh, especially here in Milwaukee and other places to make sure that people get out and vote.

Uh, again, he's in Washington, DC, and he knows just how important that is.

Um, I'm looking at Brandon, uh, Trump just emptied the Kennedy Senate to take pictures so he could put chairing behind it.

I mean, you know, they're just, it's just.

unbelievable the things that are going on right now.

And so we're going to be joined by Mike from Kenosha, one of, you know, the many listeners to our show.

I've invited him in today to spend some time with us.

And, you know, that can happen to you as well.

That's kind of the things that we do here on the Earl Ingram show, 855-752-4842.

Up next, Mike from Kenosha on The Earl Ingram Show.