
It's music that reflects my concern about the notion that we're installing a government that can
control us in a very repressive way by controlling all the tools of government and deploying it in a way that causes each of us to be afraid to stand up and speak our mind.
Happy Friday.
I got to say the biggest thing that that just is
I can't get out of my cross, so to speak, is the fact that, just like McCarthyism in the 50s, this unrest, this division and worry and suffering that the American people are right in the midst of is absolutely manufactured.
It's totally unnecessary, and it's all about greed.
They don't want to pay their fair share.
That's it.
That's how simple that if we could just pigeonhole these right-wingers and get them into the town halls or in front of the people and have them account for what they're doing.
It seems to me, Earl and Sandy, that there's a way that we can corner them and get them to see things
Through clear eyes, to the people out there, this is all manufactured conflict.
This is easily explained as such.
There's plenty of examples and evidence to show it.
It's totally unnecessary.
It's all because of greed.
A question, with education, apparently trying to become a profit center,
Is it possible for we the people to roll back our land grant college, a program that we offered all these universities, what 70 or so university back in the day, since education is no longer going to be perceived as a necessity and to be offered at the public at as close to free as possible.
Can we.
We send the land grant college program.
But, you know, the fact is that the land grant college program was a demonstration of how very much the American public revered education and understood it's the centrality of it to the success of the country.
And now we seem to be backtracking on that rather dramatically.
What really mystifies me is when I looked at the numbers and realized that our government workforce is no bigger today than it was in 1980, that the size of our,
The scale of our government as compared to our GDP is actually a little bit smaller than it's been in the past and the level at which we tax ourselves as a percentage of GDP is at the low end of what we've experienced over the last 80 years.
There's nothing that's changed about our government over the last 50 years in a material way.
However,
The American mood about the government apparently has shifted a great deal.
And today there's an upwelling of feelings, certainly amongst the people who backed Donald Trump, that our government is way too big when none of them were alive when our government was any smaller.
and that our government is behaving in a manner that it hasn't behaved in the past when none of them were alive when our government behaved much differently than it currently behaves.
So they've had a lifetime of experience in a government that they now want to dismantle.
as if something has changed in the government in the last four to six years.
The notion that Joe Biden's administration had a material effect on the scale of government, it didn't.
As if it had a material effect on the way in which government intersects with the people, it didn't.
So, I mean, somehow we've got a leadership that has persuaded a bunch of people.
that our country is in tatters and that things have changed dramatically when, in fact, there's no data to support that whatsoever.
Good morning, guys.
I haven't been up this upset in a while.
It just reminds
old Joe Manchin, Kristen Sinema stuff.
I mean, I think the problem right now is we have ineffective leadership with Chuck Schumer.
he's going to go along with this stuff, which to me is the rubber stamp, and he just needs to go.
We need AOC to primary him.
She's got about 12 million followers.
I think she can take him out of office.
We look at Hakeem Jeffries.
He holds his whole caucus together, except for Josh Golden, who also needs to be primaried.
You know, big cuts, Medicare, Social Security,
Medicaid, the VA, the FDA, the Department of Ed.
Are you kidding me?
Do you think Tip O'Neill or Ted Kennedy would have went along with this?
Chuck Schumer needs to go.
We need to start having purity tests in the Democratic Party to get some of these people out of there because if they go along with this, what's next?
You know, I'm so tired of hearing with these guys.
They have their leverage and they constantly give it away.
So any senator that votes for this, including our own, they need to go.
If Tammy Baldwin votes for this, we need to get out and replace her.
I mean, Republicans are not running away from town halls because this stuff is popular.
And that's really what I have to say.
to shoot herself in the foot.
So Sandy, you, we talked earlier about why Chuck Schumer is making this decision clearly.
with all his experience.
He knows that this is a fight that is going to he's going to he's going to receive some his eyes are going to be black and his nose is going to be bloody.
But he's doing this again, predicated on the fact that he thinks that Donald Trump can do more damage.
If the government is shut down
well, I think I think the color Robert is talking about more than just this notion of the shutdown of the government and whether it happens or not on the 14th I think he's talking more about day-to-day political activities in Congress and the extent to which the Democrats are putting up an effective opposition in in the environment today and
I will have to agree that the opposition so far has been quite ineffective.
It looks like each one for yourself and each one for yourself is essentially succumbing to the divide and conquer prospect.
And so, you know, I do think the Democrats and the opposition need to find a way to illuminate to the American public what's going on and what the dangers are, whether you agree or not with.
the immigration policy or whether you agree or not with the tariff policy, how it gets implemented and how our government behaves are exceedingly important things in the arc of history and will be exceedingly important things to the extent that we install a process into our government that makes our president a monarch who can exercise the power of government against each, against or for each one of us according to WIM.
Yeah, the problem is, in my opinion, is that, you know, when FDR was in power, we said government was good.
Since Ronald Reagan came along, we said government is bad.
Democrats need to come back and say, let's make government great again.
like it was in the 30s.
And I'll tell you one problem that nobody knows about is that this is not a clean CR.
So we do need to shut it down because there's a little poison pill in this thing that says that if the government doesn't shut down that
The Congress, the Republicans in Congress have now seated the power to the President of the United States, which means all of these people that have been fired and all of these government employees, it will no longer be illegal for Donald Trump to be doing what he's doing and they will lose every court case possible.
Everyone needs to read the CR.
because the Republicans keep saying it's a clean CR.
It's a clean CR.
It's not.
This thing is riddled with things in it that will give Donald Trump more power than he has right now, because Congress basically will cede their power to the executive branch, which is exactly what Project 2025 is all about.
What do you think about that?
And I wouldn't put it past the Republicans and the Trump administration.
The fact is that they're attacking these Ivy League institutions, but there's a lot of Ivy League folks who have decided to drink the Kool-Aid, the Trump Kool-Aid.
And there's an intellectual conservative movement that should not be underestimated in terms of its capacity to use.
innovative approaches to accomplishing an awful end, which is to create an autocracy that defeats the principle of democracy that most of us believed was the epitome of what our government stood for.
You know, we are a republic, we aren't a democracy per se, but the way we have operated for quite a long time has been to honor the interests of the individuals over the interests of others.
And what we've got today is a government that is running roughshod over individual interests in order to accomplish an objective, which is to reframe our government in a way that is horrifying.
lines.
all right welcome back
You know, I just want to say this before we go back to the phone lines, you know, Sandy I don't know how people who somehow believe that Donald Trump is doing these things For the benefit of the American people all these things he's doing somehow supposedly
He's doing this to benefit the American people.
I don't see any of that.
Well, you know, I think the people who are these tariff hawks have this ill-conceived notion that by partitioning the country off from the rest of the world with tariffs, that we will bring back to the American shores all the manufacturing jobs to manufacture all the goods that are purchased in America.
And, you know,
If you repartition the world and you were willing to tolerate all the pain that that will cause over a period of 10 years, you might actually get to something like more manufacturing jobs in the United States.
But those more manufacturing jobs would be in an economy in which all the prices were higher, in which the standard of living was lower.
in which a world that was endangered by being partitioned off from one another, and it defies the basic economic logic of how you allocate resources based on decision-making by each of the people.
tariffs aren't a smart policy, but those who are hawks for it will tell you that it's designed to bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States and to fix their economy.
It's ill-conceived and it's an experiment that is experimenting with an economy that isn't broken, that the economy needs tweaking, it needs fixing.
We need to deal with the interests of Tom, Dick, and Mary and make sure they're participating in our economy.
But this
a particular experiment that they're pursuing is designed to increase profits for manufacturers and to put all the pain on Tom Dick and Mary in the process.
Hi, Errol and Sandy.
Thanks for taking my call.
I will have to agree with Robert who
called in and spoke a few minutes ago.
If the Democrats, if they are not willing to take a stand against Donald Trump and the Republican Party now, when are they going to do it?
As you know, I am a former Democratic who voted for the party for well over 30 years and I
I, like many people, we are just frustrated with the Democratic Party not taking a stand on anything.
Now, the last caller talked about the poison pill.
I was not aware of that.
I will have to do some research and look that up.
But I just want to make this the last comment, and especially if members of the Democratic Party leadership are listening.
For over the last four to six years,
You have talked about how how Trump is a danger to our democracy is But when he has been reelected You fold and run away and give him exactly what he wants That is just a very ill logical argument and activity so
I I am very displeased and I think the Republicans are going to be a Majority Party for a very long time if the Democrats do not get a backbone and Hey Cassandra,
I have to say to you That for somebody to vote for Donald Trump and say Joe Biden them weren't doing this and so I don't support the Democrats the Democrats let me down
to vote for Donald Trump and watch the dismantling of our nation.
And instead of you challenging the people you voted for who are doing this, for you to turn around and then say, well, you're disappointed in the Democrats, I have to say to you would all do respect.
I don't follow that way of thinking.
The people who are destroying this nation is Donald Trump and the Republicans.
Why is your eye or not directed at them?
As opposed to the Democrats, the Democrats aren't in charge.
You guys made sure of that.
You put the Republicans in charge.
So why aren't you saying these things about the people you put in charge?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Wonderful.
The activities of the Republican Party did not start recently.
The Democratic Party has been folding and giving in and making concessions for decades.
And there is a point where many of us, we're just tired of it.
We're tired of the excuses.
Oh, the Democratic Party, they had an opportunity to use whatever leverage that they had.
The leverage that they had was to shut the government down, and they chose not to.
Now, there are arguments that this would have given Donald Trump the opportunity to do whatever he wants.
Well, I don't know about that.
The stock market is tumbling right now.
The business corporations, they are not going to continue to support Donald Trump and watch their profits go down the drain.
So when there is a reaction there is the counter reaction and the Democratic Party did not want to take a stand to see what the repercussions would truly be but they just decided well they decided to take the safe route and
It's not going to work.
Hold the thoughts, Sandy.
8-5-5-7-5-2-48-42.
Thank you very much for the call, Cassandra.
You're tuned in to a Friday edition of the Erlingham Show.
My co-host Sandy, will you?
All?
right, welcome back to the Erlingram show as always you can join us at 855-752-4842 855-752-4842 text us at that same number You know Sandy Our phone lines are full and so I just we just heard Cassandra.
Do you understand that reasoning?
No, it's kind of dog in the manger, you know, she's against Donald Trump So she thinks she's for him because the Democrats haven't done a good job good enough job of opposing him Doesn't make sense to me But I but I fear that there's lots of people out there trying to explain to themselves Why it is that they supported Donald Trump and many of them are probably mystified by it because I think that
Many of them are, it's some emotional tug that they're responding to rather than an intellectual one.
My hope is that people will wake up.
There are elements of what's going on that could be good.
I think peace in Ukraine is a very good idea.
And I think our policies in Eastern Europe have not been very smart over the last 50 years.
So I'm not in total disagreement there.
But process makes so much difference.
And how we get there makes so much difference.
And the process that we're utilizing there vis-a-vis Zelensky and Ukraine is obviously very disruptive to the trust that any ally can play.
place in us.
And so that's a matter where process matters.
In the United States, you know, maybe there could be policy.
We possibly need to work on efficiency in government.
But how we do it and what we do to the relationship between people and their government is very important.
And, you know, we need to follow the rule of law or we've lost it.
Good morning gentlemen.
So I would just point out to a article from CNN on Tuesday about 655 Eastern Standard Time by Tammy Luby.
And really what this bill is, and Tom said there's poison pills and everything else, all this really, this new bill that's been submitted that the Senate is going to vote on, are to keep the spending levels exactly the same through the rest of September.
That's all it is.
And there's some earmarks.
There's like 13 billion decrease in non-defense spending, but they're earmarks.
So basically, it would not affect the money directed to the projects in the last fiscal year, but it would not repeat the funding of the same projects.
No earmarks are included in the continuing resolution.
The increase in pay, you know, for the troops that Biden signed off,
the 14%, that's included in this bill.
It goes on to talk about all the other things that are going to be fully funded completely.
And so at the end of the day, there was one Republican, I think it was Mass, I think out of Kentucky.
He was upset that there wasn't really any cuts because when you have a continuing
resolution at the same spending levels, that's not a cut.
That's just keeping everything kind of level rather than an increase.
We're keeping it as the same as it was last year.
And I believe that the Trump administration has indicated that whereas the bill might authorize the expenditures, it's up to the president to decide whether he will actually carry them out.
And so, you know, they've said, in fact, in response to that bill that they expect the Supreme Court to answer the question of whether they can impound expenditures and not make
Okay, so I'm not gonna do math on the radio, but I was doing math before I called in and the math that I was doing was my taxes versus for year 2023 versus how much goes into each of the federal programs.
And I gotta say, man, like,
This stuff is peanuts the things that really fuck is the fact that I see about two grand plus now if with the tax cuts that Republicans are putting in an additional $400 put into how much that interest my federal taxes pay for That's two and a half grand every year.
I mean it's gonna go up every year, right?
But two and a half grand that's gonna go towards just debt.
That's it
So your point is that the deficit that the Republicans are proposing to carry forward based on their tax decreases will end up eating up your tax bill in the future.
And I think you're right.
I think that they're proposing something like if you total everything up that Trump talks about.
$9 trillion over the next 10 years, including the continuation of the ongoing tax reduction.
And so they're only proposing $3 trillion of expenditure reduction.
So they're proposing to increase our deficit over the next 10 years by $6 trillion.
Hey, Earl.
Hey, Sandy.
Well, I just want to say that Cassandra has been sucked into the propaganda machine.
There's just no if ands or buts about it.
But one thing that nobody's talking about that's got me very disturbed is the Pope.
I mean, the Pope Francis right now, 88 years old with pneumonia, probably not a good sign.
The thing is, I'm afraid he's going to pass away soon.
And what's going to happen is he's going to be replaced by a very right wing...
National white nationalist type Pope and the whole world is going to be affected by that and so this is something that scares me because I mean let's face it Pope Francis is no Reverend Willie Barber But he's probably one of the most liberal down-to-earth popes we've had in a lot of years so my concern is about him passing away and us getting stuck with somebody even worse than they've had in there in the past and the whole world is going to be affected by
I know that, but I'm just saying this is not a good time for him to go because he will be replaced by a white Christian nationalist right-wing pope.
That's what's going to happen.
And then it's going to affect the whole world and the whole world's going to become even wackier right-wing than it is now.
And this is my fear.
Yeah.
Yeah, I want to go to process that Sandy's been talking about, the process of cutting government waste.
While Elon and his 20-year-old underlings are running around, I just noticed that if I was really going to cut waste, would I want to go to the department that hasn't passed an audit in years?
The government?
Oh, well, we can't go there.
That's what's made him rich.
All of our tax dollars has made this moron rich.
He's not a genius.
And that is for the last comment just made about the pope changing.
Here we go again with tying religion into government.
If the pope passes away and you get a more right wing pope, I don't care.
That's the church you go to.
It's not the church I go to.
So let's keep that out of the equation completely.
But you know this whole thing is just all flash and flare and and you know everybody's sitting around and Schumer is wrong.
I believe he's wrong.
Okay and if there is a pill in there and it explodes you know and then and then you got Cassandra who is the typical voter who voted for Trump.
She gets on the air and she states that we're tired of the things the Democrats haven't done but she has a name one.
Okay, try to be specific, folks, when you call up and you're talking about complaining about the Democrats, tell us what they can
have a great
Morning, Earl.
Yeah, I don't know what Cassandra is smoking.
But seriously, she voted for Trump and now she wants the Democrats to fix it.
I think Chuck Schumer should say no.
This is the Republicans issue and to blame Democrats after she voted for Trump.
I don't know where she comes off saying that, but.
That was just my comment.
Thank
Yeah.
Thank you.
I don't either, you know, you know, you voted, you voted for him, the Democrats of the Republicans.
This is all of what they're doing.
And so it's not up to the Democrats to stop him.
It's up to the Republicans who are sitting there and watching him do what he's doing.
Let's go to Larry on line five.
Good morning to you, Larry.
This is Jean Somo-Claire.
All
Yeah, good job, Ann and the other lady.
You know, this is very serious stuff and it's called projection.
Blame the other party for what your party's doing and try to make them look like they're the guilty ones.
Unfortunately, they are not and we're well aware of it because people are rising all over the country.
Democrats, Republicans, independents, this is the most ridiculous thing that I have ever seen.
This is a poor excuse for a leader.
going in, beating us up from the inside out, making enemies of our neighbors.
I mean, this is sickness.
And Schumer better say, no.
Because what they did, they didn't do the typical CR, sir, that called in and said, everything's the same.
No, it is not.
They want a 30-day CR to go.
And then they work on the bill together.
They work on this together.
And they keep...
those people from flashing the jobs of the people that provide the services to the people in our country.
And people then maybe might not die as they're waiting for disability or social security, the things that they paid into.
Wake up folks, stand up, have your voice heard, call your representatives and say no giving Elon Musk the key to everything in our country.
This is nuts.
Thank you.
My name is Mark.
ahead.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Yes.
Um, I wanted, uh, uh, Sandy mentioned, uh, kind of a glimmer of hope about Ukraine in the sense of Trump and I'm no fan of Trump.
Please understand.
And I agree with that glimmer of hope.
Um,
There's been a lot of misinformation about the Ukraine war.
And let me be clear, I'm a pacifist.
War is the enemy, and I endorse no one's invasion.
But the corporate media kept repeating how it was unprovoked, and it very much was provoked through NATO expansion, through not negotiating Putin put forth some proposals before he resorted to invasion, and those were not addressed.
UN principles require negotiations.
It's provocative to refuse to negotiate.
And I could go on.
And again, I'm not defending Putin.
And now we have our own president with ambitions, apparently, for Greenland and Canada, et cetera.
And that's one more thing let me touch on.
People are concerned.
Oh, Putin, what's the who's he an invade next?
Well, if he invades, say the Baltic states, if he invades any NATO country, all of NATO comes down upon him because the NATO that's part of the military alliance is that they come to the aid of one another.
That would be World War Three.
Is Putin that stupid?
I don't think so.
I do think Putin, in his negotiation over Ukraine, will try to get NATO to back off with respect to the manner in which, for instance, the Baltic republics that were part of the Soviet Union and are now part of NATO.
how the military is stationed there, who is stationed there.
I think he's going to try and get his fingers into the operation of NATO with respect to the ways in which NATO was expanded beyond its borders.
As everyone points back at the promise made by Secretary of State Baker to Gorbachev in 1990 about we won't go one inch to the east.
And then, of course, they did with Poland and Romania and the Baltic Republics, et cetera.
So I think we'll see some negotiation over that, but I don't think we'll see an invasion.
I was at this carnival just a few years ago.
No big deal, Ferris wheel, same old stuff, you know.
And I wanted to round the grounds until I found this little tent.
The man outside made a speech and this is how it went.
the same old line.
morning, girl.
Good morning, Sandy.
Um, and TGIF.
Um, I'd like to say the old, uh, the Democrats forced me to vote Republican is not real.
It's an age old plane made by closeted GOP years in an attempt to evade responsibility, their own personal responsibility and what's happening and also to avoid actually identifying themselves as Republicans.
I would ask anybody that says that to just go ahead and, you know, identify yourself as a Republican, get it over with.
Um, and with all due respect.
Who gives a beep about the leader of the Catholic Church right now?
You know, and them picking a righty tighty whitey poke will only further illustrate their irrelevance in the world.
And as for the Senate vote, how is how is stopping those going right now?
You know, I mean, so why bother?
They're already destroying the government.
And and with all due respect, what does Sandy know that the rest of us don't that leads him to believe this administration is going to follow any of the court orders they're not currently following?
Um, the courts have zero enforcement that doesn't go through the DOJ.
Actually,
Yeah, guys, listen, yesterday we had a thing to talk about financing and that if Democrats would go for public financing, but the Republicans always say no, so we didn't do it.
We had the majorities in the Senate.
The assembly, we had the governor in 2009.
We could have prevented gerrymandering, put it in healthcare for all.
So I'm not saying I vote for Republicans.
I'm saying that the Democrats got to get their act together and go after what people need.
very much for the call.
Hi, I would like to first start with two bits of information.
W-W-W.
Schumer.gov and the capital switchboard is 202-224-3121.
If it's not too late, get a hold of your Democratic Senators and let them know how you feel.
I spent all night up calling everyone I could to let them know
to not just take that proposal, but try to get a new proposal where there are compromises on both sides.
We need to get the people together, working together rather than just following
Mr. Rump and Elon
But I think, I think Elon Musk and his opinions are more important to Donald Trump than Tom Dick and Mary and the polls that would be taken that would reflect their opinions.
I think Donald Trump thinks of himself as this is his last term.
We don't know if it'll just be four years or not.
But I think he understands this is his last election.
And so he doesn't care much about the electorate anymore.
He's all interested in getting his, his head.
carved into the into the mushroom, not Rushmore.
And
And I think he's listening to the people around him to figure out what sort of legacy it is that he's going to leave.
And I think leave, and I think part of it is the next expansionist president since the 1800s.
I think he thinks it's going to be the guy who changed the economy and brought jobs back in the long term with tariffs.
I mean, people are whispering in his ear things that
He thinks will will create the legacy.
The problem is that number one there it's Not not well thought out the overall strategy.
It's not it's ill guided number two and and number three He's not gonna get his head on
Well, we'll see.
I think that his legacy could go downhill, quite frankly.
The more he tries to get it onto Mount Rushmore, the more likely it is, I think, that his legacy is going to slide.
Because people are going to see him.
Certainly historians are going to see him for what he is.
But also, we have to figure out what the country is going to look like and what our government is going to look like 40 years from now.
after this presidency, because any president who is elected going forward is gonna try to seize all of the reins of power that are created during this period of Donald Trump.
And so we can expect to see a Democrat exercising much the same kind of power.
And in the long run, that leads to something that doesn't look very much at all like a democracy.
Robert Brooks was 100% correct.
David Brooks.
David Brooks.
It's Robert Brooks play for the Packers.
It's it's all of us.
It's it's the United States.
That's going to suffer and that's going to be his legacy.
He'll never be able to get away from that.
Sandy.
Great as always, my friend.
We'll talk soon.
Up next, J. Matt and Greg Bach.
Have a great weekend.