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Hey, good morning to you, Cardi.
And what a glorious, glorious day on yesterday.
Man, I'm not going to lie.
I'm still contemplating.
I'm not even going to say contemplating.
That's not the word I'm looking for today.
I'm still reminiscing on the day of yesterday, man.
That was a huge, huge, huge day for everyone.
Big day for Ukraine big day for supporters and big day for you and for myself to see you out there doing your thing man
Well, you know, I'm talking
about the weather
And I just want to say thanks big thanks to Sharky John Scott and the Racine Coalition for peace and justice.
Yes
which had just a great rally on yesterday here in Racine.
Good numbers, good numbers.
Oh man, and it actually kind of took me back, you know, to the Vietnam rallies and protests.
And to know that there are people who are fighting this battle and you're not alone certainly gives you
you know, the impetus to keep on battling and keep on fighting.
I've said on these airways many times, you know, and that along the way, we're sitting back waiting for Cardi for every for elected officials and others to fix this.
But it's gonna take grassroots efforts and that's exactly what the racing coalition for peace and justice are that's a group that was organized over four years ago to fight then president Donald Trump and They started battling with him when he was the president over four years ago and they've only ramped up their efforts Now that he's reelected and they're gonna be trouble
And and they're gonna be trouble because you know as former senator John Lewis once said You know good trouble, you know when people are organized and when people are willing to get out in the street and rally and mobilize and in and certainly organize organize organize Then we can make changes and you know, I've got
one of my favorite elected officials.
I don't have many, but clearly this guy is right amongst the top two of not the number one elected official that I am really pleased with and have been for a long time.
State Senator Chris Larson, good morning to you sir.
How are you?
That is heavy prey.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
And kudos to you with the Racine Coalition for Peace and Justice and getting out there, man.
The more people that hear you, the better.
That's fantastic.
Well, you know, Senator Larson, you and I go back a long way from your early stages in office, and I've always, I'm not just saying this, you know you've heard me say it.
constantly in support of you.
You are just what the doctor ordered.
You are a guy who's willing to fight for the people.
It doesn't matter if you're outgunned or outnumbered, because ever since you've been in office, you've been outnumbered and outgunned.
Yeah.
It'd be nice to be on the winning side.
We're getting pretty close.
We're not quite there yet.
But yeah, I'm proud to be in the fight with you, Earl.
And more and more people are figuring it out.
Let me ask you, Chris, how are the babies?
Oh, my gosh, they're not babies, man.
My oldest is about to turn 13, and he's getting ready to run his first half marathon.
Oh, 13 already?
Yeah, and then my 10-year-old, she had her...
She's uh, uncameable.
She's awesome.
Um, she's playing piano doing gymnastics and do she got a flat?
I'll tell you this, you'll get a kick out of this.
There's some, there's some musk supporters, um, or musk funded door knockers who were out in the community.
Um, I got home where I was knocking on doors myself for, for Susan Crawford and I stopped, stopped by the house really quick to grab a bite and head back out and I saw the flyer.
uh that the the must folks had dropped off and she had colored the whole thing uh like rebranding everything of you know including poop emojis over over Donald Trump and uh calling out Brad Reynolds lies uh i could not be more impressed i kidded on it
so the apple didn't fall too far from the tree
She's
over her too many of my
conversations.
You know Senator Larsen, I will say this to you.
You know, you've been in this battle for a long time and I've said this, you know, even if you're outnumbered, it doesn't mean you shouldn't keep fighting, right?
I mean, I've heard people say to me, elected officials, we're outnumbered.
But that's no excuse or reason not to fight, is it?
Yeah, and look, just to be clear, I do think that there are a number of folks who are on our side.
It's just a matter of talking to them and having those conversations to get them to realize that the folks that they might be lining up behind right now do not have their best interests at heart.
And I firmly believe that, and that's true of a lot of folks who either didn't vote,
or voted for Trump.
Some people, honestly, they don't have the time to be able to sit down and examine exactly what's going on with their politicians, with who is fighting for who, figuring out the web of lobbyists and who has control over who at the state government or federal government.
And so a lot of times they just think, well, you know what?
It's not working for me.
This person is charged.
I want to see him gone.
I want to see something change.
This guy said he's going to do something for me.
What's the worst that could happen?
A lot of them are finding out the people who voted for Trump are just skipped the election and realizing like, yeah, this guy never had a plan for you.
He knew what he was going to do from the beginning.
And it was all about lining his own pocket, getting himself richer, serving the billionaires so that he and his buddies
can make out like bandits while robbing America and Americans with the promise of a secure retirement, of affordable health care, of quality education, of clean air and clean water that they're selling all of it out.
And it just takes individual conversations to get people to realize, you know, say, hey, what do you value more than anything?
Do you think this guy cares about the same things you do?
And unless the person is a billionaire,
or a white supremacist, the answer is going to be no.
So we just got to have those conversations.
If you're just joining us, my guest is State Senator Chris Larson.
You know, Senator Larson, as I said to you earlier, we've been focusing so much on national politics.
It's hard not to when you're dealing with what this nation is faced with in Donald Trump and Elon Musk and all those other things.
But you know,
All politics are local.
And so on the state level, I thought it would be important if we caught up with you and talked about what's going on at the state level.
We know it's the budget time as always.
Why is it always so impossible to pass the budget?
You know, it used to be a time when you could get it done, even though, and I've been around long enough, I remember when even Democrats and Republicans who had differences knew the importance of making sure that the budget was passed.
But that almost seems to be an impossible task.
Now, is it is it solely because of Robin Voss or is it a whole lot of other things?
You
can't let Republicans off the hook like that or all.
you're right that robin vaughn is the ringleader for sure he is the tide typer running the rest of the republicans off of the cliff um but that doesn't excuse them from having agency right like
right
they could tell him no they could say you know what like my school district keeps having to go to referendum that expanding unaccountable vouchers pulls money out of their classrooms
and means that they're not able to keep quality teachers year after year.
They can say that to Robin Boss because that's true of literally every state representative in the state.
Every state representative has had a referendum in their districts in the last few years and it's 100% because the state keeps not holding back funds for public education, of course, in the locals to make it up.
They can tell Robin Boss, this is the time to pass the budget.
that unspecial education at the very least, unspecial education in public schools at the same rate as it reimburses it for private schools getting vouchers.
That would help half of these referendums having to happen at all.
They have power to do that.
I know they're hearing from their school districts because I hear from them.
Because they're not doing that, they let Robin Boss be the guy who says, you know what?
We decided we're going to throw out all of the things that are in this budget, and we might not pass a budget at all because we'd rather hold out on the $4 billion in hopes that we can just give it in cash breaks to the rich people who write some campaign checks.
So they can say no to any of this.
Robin Voss, you're right.
He's their leader, but they elected him, so they take responsibility.
You know, Senator Larson, you mentioned education and every sense vouchers came into existence.
There are people who will continue to argue that the public school system is broken and it must be dismantled.
And the only way to fix education in this state is to, you know,
of the
Now, I wish I wish more people thought about it than exactly.
Senator Larson, hold the thought.
Senator Larson, hold the thought, if you will, please.
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My guess is none other than State Senator Chris Larsen and Senator Larsen before we went to break.
I was asking you about your thoughts on me not understanding why people don't understand that the majority of where the students and children are deserving of
the majority of the finances and especially with all the special needs children that public schools are mandated to educate by law.
They can't turn away those children while private schools can.
Explain that to
us.
I'll just say this right off the bat, 83% of students in the state of Wisconsin are public school students.
So that's the vast, vast majority.
And there's because of the amount of money spent on lobbying and by hedge funds, we were trying to push this as an alternative and because the amount of subsidy is so great, people would think that the number is like 50-50 and the number of kids and vouchers versus those in public schools.
But it's 83% in public schools and 6% in our state are on a voucher.
But those voucher students, they take a huge chunk of change.
It's about double the cost per pupil of money that's going over to voucher students than if they live in a state in a public school.
The other problem with it is, you know, they end up pretending that
when you pull a kid out of a voucher school, or you pull a kid out of a private school, they go to a voucher school.
The reality is, is 80% of these students are never attended a public school.
And I think that's important to recognize.
We are simply subsidizing the private education of people who are going to attend those schools anyways.
And the students that they do take, of course, are the easiest to teach.
which means that they are not English second language learners.
They are not students with a disability.
They are not students who are housing insecure.
They are not students who are coming from a life of poverty.
Those are the hardest kids to teach.
You correct for that and you end up addressing most of the issues of how it's difficult to teach in public schools by addressing those underlying concerns of physical mental health and well-being.
Private schools can and do kick those kids out.
which is why they end up saying, oh, we can do such a better job.
You can do a better job if you had a kickball team, or you could choose all of the players on both the teams, where you kick the ones off that you don't want to have on your team.
I coach some of my kids' sports.
We've been across teams that do that, where they just put in the good kids, and they bench the kids that are still learning.
And it's like, OK, who does that help?
believe in a more democratic model where everybody should succeed.
And in society, we've seen the results of not investing in public education.
It's been 15 years since we have funded students at the same level they were back in 2009 on a per pupil basis.
And I think it's criminal that we have a surplus that we're sitting on when we have pulled those funds out of our kid's classrooms.
and shortchange their future.
That's where we need to be investing in every single child.
Because when we invest in them, we're really investing in our state and each other.
You know, Senator Larson, you just, I mean, I had no idea that 83% of the children are still in public schools.
If you listen to the other side, you know, you're thinking it's 50-50.
I mean
I mean the
other side of this is and people need to be aware of this.
That was a time not so long ago that when they talked about vouchers it was for poor children and we were trying to subsidize and help them but the Republicans turned this into a gravy train because people who were paying
to send their kids to private schools had to pay.
I remember when one of my sons was in high school, we sent him to a private school.
My wife and I paid for him to go to a private school.
There were others who were there who were vouchers.
I didn't begrudge that, but I paid to have my child go to that school.
Here we are today.
People like me who was who could afford to pay to send their kids to a private school.
They don't have to do that anymore.
The taxpayers are doing that.
How does that make any sense?
Right, that's that's it.
That's exactly the problem.
They end up taking the students who are accepted again are those that are the easiest to be able to teach.
Yes, and if there are problems, they can remove them.
On top of that, they don't have to have the same level of standards as public schools, which is a huge problem, right?
That means that they can end up teaching things that are not scientific, right?
A lot of that gets chocked over as being religious education.
But you can have a school spend a ton of time on religious education without actually teaching the fundamentals of physics, critical thinking.
other pieces that frankly get the attention in our state capitol.
Those are only requirements for public schools, not private.
Right now, there's a great debate.
It's been two sessions now that they keep talking about trying to mandate cursive in our schools, Earl.
That would only apply to public schools.
So all of this stuff that they're getting upset about, it's just in the public side.
And those other mandates and requirements, those private schools can just
ignore.
And I don't begrudge private schools.
I went to a private school grown up from grade school and high school against my will.
You don't have a choice when you're a kid.
As you can imagine, I was a pretty strong-willed young man.
But I still, I went to my private school, rebelled as much as I could, but there were those pieces there where you didn't have a choice.
You had to attend math.
You had to learn the religious education.
And because of that, in public schools, you have that advantage of actually learning how civics work and how you're learning across cultures, across your other students, which you don't get in a private school, right?
And I think we should be taking a lesson of what...
of making sure that we invest in every single child instead of trying to lifeboat them away from each other in society.
That's not how a democracy is supposed to work.
We're all supposed to be in this together.
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My guest of state, Senator Chris Larsen.
So Senator Larsen, badger care is without question, I've had a lot of insurances in my life.
And, you know, when I, when the company that I worked for for 34 years, Ayl Smith,
basically left this nation.
Our union was able to broker a deal with BadgerCare to carry us over until we reached the age of Medicare.
And BadgerCare was one of the best insurances I ever had.
So why is it that Republicans on a national level, right now I want to do away with Medicaid,
and which really helps children more and the elderly.
Why is it that they don't understand this, you know, Senator Larson and why aren't they paying a price for this?
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that most people do have at their core an understanding that yes, this helps folks who need it the most, but for a lot of folks.
They're living pretty good, you know, and if the world hasn't tumbled into them sideways, they have no reason to believe that they're ever going to end up in that situation.
Unfortunately, if there is not a system in place like badger care, when the world does come slamming at them sideways with a health scare, whether it be a cancer diagnosis or some other medical condition,
They'll find out the hard way that we have a horrible model for healthcare in this country, and a lot of people across the country have figured out, found out the hard way.
So as much as I am with you 100%, I'm making sure that we are helping our most vulnerable populations in Medicaid, which covers half of the births.
in our country, which also makes sure that our seniors are taken care of at the time of the life where they most need it, covering over half of the nursing home stays for our grandparents across the country.
I would say that we should be going in the opposite direction, which is to make sure that everybody has access to affordable health care, so that everybody isn't going around skipping through life.
you know, with the possibility of a trap door hitting them at any point that is going to tumble them into bankruptcy, right?
We're the only country in the world where the number one cause of individual bankruptcy is medical debt because no other country has medical debt to the degree that we have.
They cover all of their citizens to make sure they are actually healthy.
And I would argue that that should be a baseline for what it means to have a civilization, to have a country where we
trust our fellow man and want to take care of each other, that we actually have a health care system that covers our health and isn't an impossible to navigate labyrinth of trying to figure out prescription coverage, health care, and frankly forcing your insurance companies to cover you when you need it most.
It's a broken system and it needs to change.
I think Republicans end up banking on the idea that, yes, the system is broken, and so everyone else should be broken.
Democrats and people who believe in universal health care bank on the idea of, yes, it's broken, let's fix it for everybody.
You know, Senator Larson, I can't argue with that.
It clearly makes no sense at all that the wealthiest nation on earth is the one that doesn't think that health care
is, is a human right.
And the fact that, you know, it's for profit healthcare in our nation.
And, and, and you hear people say, well, we can't afford to have that.
Well, you know, Senator Larson, part of the reason, first off, I don't buy that the wealthiest nation on earth can't afford to take care of its citizens since, since many of the other nations, similar to America, do it, including Canada.
You can't tell me that we can't get it done.
The reason that we can't get it done is because the oligarchs and others and people aren't paying their fair share.
And so because we have a system, as you well know, and we're looking at Donald Trump right now, trying to broker another $4.5 trillion tax break at a time when the nation is struggling economically.
And yet.
So in order to make sure that they can get this tax break, they've got to cut, you know, Medicaid.
And yet the people who support them, you know, Senator Larson, I don't know if they really understand the issues, right?
I don't think people really understand at the heart of all of this what's behind the decisions that Republicans are
making.
No, I think you're, I mean, you're, that's it.
I think you're, you're, you're, you're hitting the nail on the head that there is not a deeper understanding of what's going on around healthcare.
And frankly, I think a lot of people aren't realizing that this is what's happening nationally, but I'd say, look, every day more and more people are figuring it out.
You know, we had a crowd.
I had a town hall yesterday in Cudahay.
We had standing room only.
This was at one o'clock in the afternoon and a lot of folks showing up.
wondering what the heck is going on with with you know why is Elon Musk fishing around in their medical records nationally
and
what does that mean right and there's a lot of folks who are on edge because their social security checks showed up late the many of them the first time you know so they're saying something this is having an impact right and and they're worried if that's going to come the next time around i was talking to seniors in the parking lot who are trying to figure out how to shift their money to different accounts
because they're worried that now suddenly Elon Musk has access to all of their accounts.
And that sounds conspiratorial, right, Earl?
Yes.
But that's actually the truth.
Like, this is, it's not conspiratorial.
Trump has allowed Musk to have access to anything that he wants.
Musk and his minions, his Martians, have gone in and taken access to the most sensitive information of every single American.
what they do with it now, we don't know, right?
But this is the same group that has allowed four major plane crashes in our country
in
just the last few months, right?
Since they've taken over.
This is the same administration that has, in that life, decided to fire more air traffic controllers.
This is the same group of people who have decided that they are gonna be laying off IRS workers at a time where people have questions about how to file their taxes.
This is the same group of folks that are trying to fire people at the VA.
People who are serving our veterans because they think that they don't deserve it anymore.
And so these are the same folks who have control of their financial data.
So these two lovely women who should have been enjoying the beautiful weather, we're trying to share information of like how the heck do you move your money to a place where Elon Musk is not able to pillage it.
And that is a conversation we are having in 2025.
And they are going to try to pay for it, double hit them with their tax break.
They're trying to pay for that by going after their retirement security.
That
may not be you right now, but that's somebody's grandparent.
And if we don't solve that, that's going to be every American in our country.
You know, Senator Larson, I've said this for many years, long before we got to where we are now, I remember saying,
that we keep spending all this money on defense because we keep hearing people, well they're coming to get us, they're coming to get us, they're coming to get us, they're coming to get us, so we gotta prepare and we spend trillions of dollars on defense.
And I remember always saying clearly, the real threat is from within our nation.
And our fear, because I was watching the conservatives move, you know what I mean?
Over the last 30 years.
And I would say we've got to be concerned about what's happening inside of this nation.
And I said, this nation will be taken over from within.
And if you look right now, Senator Larson, look at what they've done.
And it's only been seven weeks, Senator Larson.
So on the state level and the finances, I was reading something yesterday.
that said that UW Madison is going to be sanctioned for having people protest the Gaza war.
I mean the Palestinian war or the Hamas and Israeli war.
And so because there were protesters at UW Madison, they're going to sanction the university.
for young people doing what they had constitutional rights to do, Senator Larson.
Tell me how that makes any
sense.
That's not American.
That's not American.
This is chilling.
If you do not have the right to air your grievances with your government, that is the First Amendment to the Constitution.
That is in our bill of rights, right?
And Trump tried to, he's issuing these executive orders, which is just, you know, it's basically him.
talking to his, his genie Elon Musk and his supporters and saying, I wish this, that is not how America works, Errol.
And so he's making these declarations that are BS, right?
He is, and one of them is saying that if you are protesting that you could lose, lose your, that you could have that broke
your citizenship.
You can also lose your
citizenship.
Right.
Right that is not that is wildly unconstitutional, but given that they have politicized the FBI and they put a right-wing nut in charge of the FBI This is and you put Pam Bondi who is somebody who's a right-wing nut in charge of the What if she's the Attorney General?
Yes, she is
the
Justice Department with prosecuting they have politicized both of these
There's a lot of folks who are wondering what's going to happen here.
Now, what needs to happen, Earl, is we need to be united, right?
That's not just you and I, but this is of making sure that our institutions, the high institutions of higher ed, are not caving to this one iota, one shred.
Because if they start to cave, then this imaginary power that Trump is pretending that he has becomes real.
It's only that if we recognize like this is outrageous, this is not allowed in America, this is wildly un-American, and we do protest, and we do encourage our protesters, then we continue to have a country.
This is a do or die moment for the future of America.
We're 249 years in.
It's not a guarantee we get to 250.
There's no guarantee we made it this long.
This is our time to make sure that we fight.
And it's not just a matter of having this democracy.
It is the ability to petition for a better life for you, for your family, for your kids, and for the future.
And
I
get that it hasn't worked for many people.
I'm in that group.
My friends are in that group.
All of us have taken forever to try and pay off school loans and try to find access to the American dream.
And for many people, that had never gotten to them.
The social contract was never with them.
But if it's ever going to get better, we have to continue to have a system where you can reach out to your elected officials.
You can protest and say that we demand better for our country.
If we don't do that, we are no longer America.
We have
become the fever dream of Russia.
You know Senator Larson yesterday when I was speaking with the Racine Coalition of Peace and Justice, I remember saying because
the majority of the people who were there were grandparents and great-grandparents, and they were fighting for your generation and your children's generation.
And that's what's at the root of this, man, because our generation had a chance to enjoy America at its apex, right, when the American dream was available to everybody.
That's not the case anymore.
Hang on one more second Senator Larson.
We appreciate it.
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My guest is State Senator Chris Larsen.
It's been too long.
I can't let this kind of time get by, man, without us touching base, man.
Your voice of reason.
Let's go to the phone lines.
Quickly jump from Boaz.
Good morning to you, John.
You have a question to comment for State Senator Chris Larson.
Yeah, I have a question and a comment on both topics.
The Social Security because I'm 67.
I receive Social Security income.
And I don't know what I would do without it.
And I know history books said that.
FDR started it in 1935, and he was one of our best presidents.
Now, on a subject of private schools that you talked about earlier, my father was a school teacher in St.
Agnes Catholic School, and he taught science and physical education.
That's what my father did.
But when I was a kid I Want your listeners to know when I was a kid.
I was in fifth grade and Playing on the playground My buddy David Clark come over and said John sister Xavier wants to talk to you on the playground
John true.
I know but John I wish I had more time and you can
You can tell the story another time.
We're running out of time, but thank you very much for the call.
Let's go to Eric from Tulsa.
Good morning to you, Eric.
You say what?
Good morning, Earl.
Good morning, Senator Larson.
I just want to say really quickly, I have a point, but first off, I wanted to thank Senator Larson because I ran for Alder last year and I lost in Wauwatosa here and he personally sent me a letter basically encouraging me to stick with it and stay with it and everything like that.
And it's one of the reasons I still haven't ruled out running again in 2026.
So anyways, I just wanted to thank him for that.
As for protest, I like to ask people when they start ragging about peaceful protest, nonviolent, and complaining about how it's done and we shouldn't be doing it, what do they think about the Boston Tea Party?
And what differences do they see between that protest and what's going on these days?
And how is one legend of the United States and one is something that we can't tolerate?
And lastly, I wanted to say this past weekend, I attended a GOP rally sponsored by Turning Point, Moms for Liberty, and get this, the John Birch Society was tabling there.
It was for Brad Schimel.
The Brittany Kinzer had signs there right next to Brad Schimel, so she's clearly a Trojan horse candidate.
And I managed to ask a question of Representative Tiffany.
because he was there and he spoke, and I asked, I saw Gwen Moore at the VA rally on Friday, and I asked Representative Tiffany, you know, Gwen Moore said they're not getting a single vote for the Democrats on this continuing resolution.
And so I asked, you know, Tiffany, how they think they're going to do it.
He said, I think we have the votes.
They're really determined because it's going to give them some leverage, and we have members that don't want to vote on CRs, and I'm one of them.
But in this instance, I think it's the right thing to do because if we can get the September 30th at the end of this budget and we give Doge another three, four months to do their work, we can take the new budget on October 1st and we can put all those cuts in there.
So they want to do this PR so they can take the cuts October 1st.
Hey, Eric, I'm going to have Brittany Kinzer on.
And I think it's important that we have those views on so people can hear, right?
You know and not and you know and and and not just be you know Not knowing but you know, Brittany kins is going to be on the Earl Ingram show and I'll let you guys know So you can help for yourself.
Thank you very much for the call senator Larson
Yeah, thanks, thanks, that's great this great to hear John You know and getting out there at the rally then there's tons of things happening
to get involved in.
My gosh, John Birch is back.
Whatever people are willing to do, I think pushing back is key.
They're trying to figure out this vote here on Friday, and I'm glad to hear John talk about how he,
or
sorry, Eric, talk about how he is going to be, that he was pushing Tom Pickening and his Republicans.
Talking to the local elected officials is important because they have to answer for what's happening.
They've advocated a lot of their responsibility and turned it over to Trump and Musk.
Anything that they are doing is, if they are not pushing back, it's an endorsement for us to continue to backslide away from our democratic ideals and towards autocracy.
So, you know, that's it.
Just getting out there and continuing to be active is going to make the difference.
as the stuff moves on.
We're never gonna know all the information, but we know enough to know they ain't right, and that's enough to get out, get involved in protests, and make sure you're contacting your state and federal elected officials to make sure that they represent what you wanna
see.
Otherwise, they're not doing any job.
So before I lose you, you said contact your officials.
Does it really matter?
Absolutely absolutely there is a big piece in Wisconsin for the last 14 years where they have kept saying like Don't pay attention to the public comments because otherwise then they think that you won't call and There's there's no excuse not to call.
I guess if there is you know, people don't use the phone the same way I don't really you do But but other folks, you know, it's a little it's always amazing.
Can I text?
Can I text him for the call?
No, you gotta overcome that.
There's no excuse not to call.
And that includes if your elected official is on your side, if they're not on your side, if you don't know, there's no excuse not to speak up at this time because it's the very least, right?
And once you do that, you break through that.
There's more that can be done, but you got to start there.
Absolutely.
Thank you very much.
I deserve a whipping for not having gotten you on sooner, but I won't make that mistake again.
Be careful as you continue your drive to Madison.
Kiss the babies for us.
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