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Good morning to you, Cardi.
How you doing, man?
Man, I'm doing pretty good.
Earl just got some breaking news last night.
My younger brother has leukemia, so...
kind of going through that with the family and trying to get everything situated with that.
Well, ma'am, our prayers go out to you and your family, man.
I know, you know, God is able.
But, you know, sorry to hear that, man.
And, you know, we'll certainly send up prayers.
Appreciate that, too, by the way.
Thank you.
You know, it's it's Friday.
And so as we await.
Sandy Williams.
And I guess he should be arriving any moment.
I just wanted to at least say that we're headed towards some warm weather.
I'm excited about that.
And let me see where we are with Sandy.
So I'm excited about the warm weather.
And at least, you know, we'll be 50 and above starting at 60, a couple of days of 60 next week.
And so excitement is on tap.
We might have, if I have finally turned the corner with this bad weather.
You know, there's,
There's so much going on.
And a lot of things that Sandy and I are going to be covering this morning.
And with with Donald Trump and and Republicans, you know, I don't know how I'm looking at the fact that Trump is preparing to close the Department of Education.
You know, the the jobs report.
doesn't look very good right now in the economy.
The economy is slowing.
And there are just so many negative signs, it's hard to see positives happening in this country right now.
And the horrors of what, you know,
are coming down the pike.
Um, it's just unfathomable.
You know, some of us been around a little while.
We've seen some times, you know, but the nation always seems to spring back as, as there he is.
Uh, Sandy Williams is finally making his triumphant return.
Good morning to you, my friend.
How are you?
No, man.
You know, you know, one.
Well, they didn't make one.
It may one big trade and then smaller ones.
But the big trade seems to have triggered them into, you know,
a winning proposition.
The other part of how smart they were with that trade Sandy, bringing, what is it?
Well, here's the other thing.
Long term, what they benefited from was,
LeBron James at the end of his career.
Yes, they've got a young man, right?
Yeah, they're pretty smart.
They made a great deal.
You know, Sandy, we're going to get started and talk about a lot of different things.
But the first thing I want to ask you before we go into what you want to tell, I'm watching the news and
And the latest thing is the jobs reports are not looking good.
prognosticators, but the fact that the jobs aren't looking.
Every part of the economy is unsure about what the future looks like, and you don't hire someone that's a new source of cost to you, a new annual payroll cost, unless you're pretty sure about your ability to earn the money to pay that new employee.
Uncertainty causes businesses to pull in their horns.
You don't hire people.
You don't make investments.
You basically sit on your hands until you can figure things out.
So is
this 101, 101 on how the economy and things
impact and affect the economy?
I mean, it doesn't, it isn't even finance 101 before you get to business school, before you decided to go to business school, you understand that.
that uncertainty is the enemy of good business.
Uncertainty is the enemy of investment.
Uncertainty is the enemy of people of the stock market.
And the stock market is also responding in a very disappointing fashion.
Yeah, but Sandy, let's get into, we got a lot of stuff we're gonna cover, a lot of areas we're gonna cover this morning, and you kinda wanted to talk about Donald the Don.
The Don, yeah, you know, the Don is, you know, he likes, he's always called himself the Don, and I didn't realize that it was Don Corleone that he was, that he was referring to.
But, you know, when you look at the style of leadership now, I read an article by a guy named Ed Kilgore in New York Magazine, and he did a really good job of describing how it is that
Vladimir Putin rules and how it is that Donald Trump is now moving in the direction of trying to rule, which is not trying to obtain the admiration and respect of those who might work for you or those out there who you want to be subjugated to you, but what you demand is absolute loyalty.
And the response to a lack of absolute loyalty is revenge and retribution.
It's whack-a-mole.
In Russia, it involves falling out of windows.
But in the United States, it also can play a different kind of a game.
It's the mayor, the crooked mayor of the city.
And every big city machine mayor operated this way, which is you've got the building inspectors.
They're your army.
and if someone owns real estate in your city and decides to stick their head up and and be a mole and to say something that might be derogatory about you the next day
The building inspectors are at every property and they're finding all of the deficiencies that might exist and some that might not exist that make your life absolutely impossible and miserable.
And you learn your lesson.
You don't stick your head up ever again and talk about the mayor because keeping your head down avoids a lot of problems.
And what's happened now is that pursuant to Project 2025's playbook
Donald Trump has seized control of the Department of Justice, the FBI, all of the local U.S.
Attorney's offices, and the U.S.
banking regulation, the Department of Treasury.
All of these people, and the SEC even, and all of these people are in a position to regulate the dickens out of any business that might have the temerity to stick its head up and say something negative about the president.
And so we have federal investigations of news networks.
We have the potential for antitrust actions against Amazon.
We have all of these arrows in the quiver of this Don, this Don Corleone president, who can now threaten or implicitly threaten everybody to either get in line or be in line for federal prosecution.
And James Diamond, one of the most independent bankers in the country, has lined up.
You know, Sandy, when you speak on that level,
And all of these other entities and institutions that really kind of at the apex of our nation and what and what it does and how it works The average person is the one who's gonna be impacted
Well, what we should understand is that this is a form of repression that causes everybody to line up.
You look at William Gates.
William Gates meets with him, finds out that USAID and the things that they do that he William Gates is interested in in terms of world health.
Donald Trump makes him some promises on that.
And when William Gates begins to line up in a manner that he hasn't in the past, the president can use his tools to thwart
any sort of dissent, and he's doing so.
They're investigating universities that have been places of dissent.
They're particularly investigating institutions and universities that are liberal in nature, not conservative.
And when you are a business and you're threatened with enforcement that might come out of left field, if you stick your head up, you keep your head down.
You know, that's you're protecting youth.
You believe you're protecting the jobs of your employees, the, the institution that you've developed.
And so this is the form of repression that is most effective and it is in play right now.
I know for Sandy, all of those people and entities that you talked about who are keeping their heads down in the end, people, the average American citizen, uh,
You know, it's gonna be impacted by the decisions that those people make
Yeah, I mean the the victims of the mistakes of the of the government of the United States are always Tom Dick and Mary You know the the people who have great wealth
have a big landing, they have lots of cushion on their landing pads, and they don't have to worry about recessions.
They can, they'll sit in and swing the ice cubes and their cocktails around while they talk about the pain they're experiencing from the recession that's causing their stock portfolio to be simply half of what it used to be, but
They aren't experiencing pain.
They're just unhappy because they aren't as quite as wealthy as they used to be.
But Tom Dick and Mary actually experienced the
pinch.
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It's the mob.
It's the mob in terms of...
the form of whack-a-mole that keeps everyone in line.
And I think that's what we're watching right now.
And what I've talked about on earlier shows is my concern about process and the American democratic architecture.
And what we have in place now is a government that's wholly intent on
I'm taking that apart and giving all of the power that used to be subject to checks and balances to an individual.
And that individual is apparently inclined to use that power in much the same manner as Don Corleone, which is either line up or I will take all these arrows in my quiver of governmental power and I will aim them at you.
And so you'll learn your lesson very quickly.
And you don't need many examples of that.
to cause everybody to decide that they're simply going to keep their head down so that in the game of whack them all, they aren't the object of the whack.
You know, Sandy, as an American citizen, the the the outrage that I have and that I feel is that those people who are going to keep their heads down to protect themselves, even though, you know, wrong be damned.
I've got to sell preservation.
Is what I'm concerned about yeah, and not the American people
Well, what's happening is that the self-preservation of the people in power is gonna cause the damage to be done to all of us Yes, the Tom Dick and Mary, you know, we're gonna we're the ones that are gonna feel the pain while they avoid the pain of Doing the right thing or doing the thing that they would be would be right from their standpoint Because of their fear of being
Wacked and you know if this was going on locally if the mayor of Milwaukee was behaving like this I think it would be uncovered and and we would all be Involved in local politics to try and make sure we try we'd be on a let's clean up government campaign and and here we are watching our federal government Reduce itself to being just that kind of corrupt process that we would worry about a great deal if it was going on locally,
you know sending now now
that you expressed it and explained it in that manner.
How do you stop it?
Well, that's what you know the founding fathers foresaw this because they understood that that absolute power corrupts Absolutely, you know that you need to have no one can have absolute power under the architecture of the founding fathers Because there are these checks and balances that are built in and you know the Supreme Court has maybe stood up to Donald Trump on this USAID matter
You know, and I don't know how long Justice Roberts and Barrett are going to keep their backbone intact.
But, and we'll see whether the government responds by, by.
obeying the court with respect to the USAID matter.
Interestingly, that $2 billion that was involved with the USAID embargo on expenditures was money where the contractors had already done what they were supposed to do under their contracts to get paid.
So this was another case.
of Donald Trump welching on his contractors, much as he did on his casino projects and every other project he carried out, where contractors galore, everybody would walk away saying, don't work, don't go there and work, you aren't gonna get paid.
You know, Sandy, the fact
that he acts as though he's doing this to benefit the American people,
When nothing could be further from the truth it's all about.
You know him and
well you know I think I think he's an empty suit I think that he is a tool of a bunch of ideologues.
Donald Trump is not an ideologue.
I don't think he has an ideology other than Donald Trump and power to Donald Trump.
But there are people, the people who are the architects of Project 2025 who are very much ideologues.
They're not pragmatists.
They have an axe to grind.
They want to accomplish a change in the U.S.
government structure.
And they want to create essentially a very powerful president and to strip
the federal agencies of their capacity to implement federal laws that have already been adopted.
And so that happens to line up, the sun, the moon, and the stars line up for Donald Trump, because these are people saying, we're going to make you more powerful.
And he doesn't care why.
He just cares.
He's just happy that they're giving him a bigger whip.
So, Sandy, we've got a new caller.
We're going to take her, Don, TSA.
Good morning to you, Don.
You have a question to comment?
Good morning to you both and thank you.
I think there is a potential solution, but it's a real heavy lift and I think that would be that we start across this country a concerted effort to recall members of Congress and if we can flip sufficient numbers in both the House and the Senate we can then impeach Trump, but it's a heavy lift and federal office holders
impeachment has never been tested in the court.
So the Supreme Court, like after all that effort, could undo it.
But that's, I'm looking for solutions.
Don, thank you very much for the call, Sandy.
Well, Don, actually, whether the process succeeds or not, the effort to do it might well grab the attention of a sufficient number of Congress people that it might change their course of action.
My problem with all of the solutions we have as people, which involve changing Congress, is that currently the president's strategy doesn't involve Congress.
It basically involves the imperial presidency and making that a reality.
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There's been this, you know, haranguing now and pressure placed on Donald Trump.
He seems to be feeling some of the pressure.
about what Elon Musk has been doing.
And so Donald Trump now is coming out and he's saying, hey, uh, uh, Elon Musk is the department heads are making these calls and making these decisions, not Elon Musk.
Is it has he learned his lesson or is he trying to pull another another fast?
I think this is legal cosmetic.
I watch, uh, I think.
There's no question that Elon Musk and his guys are calling the shots, sending out the memos.
giving the instructions.
But from a legal standpoint, Elon Musk is not a government employee.
He has no power.
He has no capacity to issue orders.
The only people in the normal chain of command who would have the capacity to issue directives that a court might honor would be the secretary of the agency, the president, and people down the chain of command of actual employees.
And so I think this is all just done to create the record.
so that in court they can again claim that Elon Musk is not really in charge uh... it's actually you know they named a woman last week who was like absolutely nobody in the administration and said she's the one she's the government employee who's actually doing this and i think the lawyers must have gotten together and said yeah that's not gonna fly now we need to do something much more formal and so they've had this this formal press
opportunity.
Now they've had the press in there so they can hear the president instruct the cabinet officials.
And now they've got a record they can take to court.
But who's really in charge from all intents and purposes?
It appears that it's Elon Musk.
So, you know, the cabinet members and clearly as you just stated, there's a lot of pressure.
Initially, Trump totally ignored it.
But now even Sandy conservatives, Congress people starting to, you know, say some things is starting to, as you stated, and long ago affect their constituents, their constituents are making noise.
Well, you know, you can't you can't fire a whole bunch of people you can't renege on a whole bunch of contracts without creating a bunch of pain out there in various congressional districts and And that's what's happening.
I mean, I've run into now several people I've talked to each one of which has an individual story to tell that involves
them experiencing or members of their family experiencing problems associated with these cutbacks.
In particular, the USAID cutbacks, which I think Donald Trump thought was going to be an easy blow, but it's being experienced locally in the University of Wisconsin, Madison, the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee.
There's a lot of people who are affected.
It isn't just ivory tower elite intellectuals who are experiencing
the benefits from these government grants that are associated with, for instance, medical research.
There are people in experimental programs right now trying to get over the cancer they have who are dependent upon grants from the federal government, which have been put on hold.
You know, Sandy, they clearly, you know, I was doing Dominic Selvia's show with him on yesterday.
I was on his show yesterday.
And I asked him a question.
You know, he had been to many Trump rallies.
I had been a couple, I think a couple.
And so you watched this early on, Sandy, and it was kind of a court jester kind of thing.
And you watched Donald Trump, and you watched these starry-eyed people all dressed in MAGA attire.
and with the signs and all those kind of things, and you never once even in your mind could have believed that they could have pulled this off.
There was nothing, but I guess as you stated, it wasn't Trump who pulled it off.
It was all of those masterminds in Project 2025
Well, they're the ones who are pulling the strings in terms of what's happening now.
You know, we've got Peter Navarro and the tariff hawks who have persuaded Donald Trump that number one, these are all things he can do unilaterally.
So if you're a sort of megalomaniac, and if you like not only proving to everyone else, but proving to yourself that you have a great deal of power, then when someone whispers in your ear, you can implement these tariffs unilaterally.
Sir, you can do this without talking to anybody else.
This is your Individual power, then well you you like doing it.
It's like this is how you get off I can I can put a tariff on that
And so, you know, we've got people talking to the president about how he can exercise power unilaterally, and this is someone who likes nothing more than the capacity to exercise power unilaterally.
And being able to turn it on and turning it off are both exercises of power.
So we have this guy who's turning tariffs on, then he turns them off, then he turns them on.
I mean, that's the kind of instability that rocks the...
the economy just as badly as the uncertainty about whether you're going to turn them on.
So Sandy Sandy in this morning's Wall Street Journal, Trump's tariffs are no emergency.
The president invokes a law that doesn't give him power to impose sweeping tariffs.
Someone should sue.
I'm his tariff this unilateral tariff policy does require that he makes certain findings associated with emergency the tariffs that he's imposing that contradict that the trade agreement that he entered into and declared to be the best trade agreement ever in the world the one five years ago that he entered into with Canada and Mexico only allows him to implement tariffs
contrary to those treaties in the situation of an emergency.
So he declares an emergency.
An emergency about what?
His emergency theory is the fentanyl trade.
And
the tariffs are the necessary weapon that he has to use in order to stop an emergency, which is the fentanyl trade.
But let's face it, that's a made up emergency.
And it's made up particularly when you aim at it.
Canada, for instance, where there's no evidence that the fentanyl trade is materially being impacted at all by importation through Canada.
And so almost everything that Donald Trump is doing, including all of what was in Project 25, is based on his declaration that America at large.
our economy, our society, are all in an emergency condition, and they require his kind of conduct to solve for the emergency.
And my question is, what emergency?
What, our economy is as solid as ever.
And what is the emergency in our society that he is addressing?
Well, you know, he talked about the emergency at the border.
He talked about the emergencies everywhere and Sandy.
But I guess what this gentleman is really talking about or asking is, should he have to prove that there's an emergency before he can get away with doing the things that he's doing?
And that's the issue that's going to be the tough one with respect to the Supreme Court, because I do believe that the Supreme Court, as currently configured, is going to be very reluctant to get into the mind of the president with respect to deciding whether or not
an emergency exists that warrants the conduct.
Because we might well have a fentanyl emergency.
The question is, what are the right responses to it?
We might have had an emergency at our border with respect to the rate at which we were having infiltration over the border.
But what is the proper response to that in the emergent power of the president?
There's an altogether possible likelihood that at some point,
This president is going to believe there's an emergency that warrants declaration of martial law.
You know, martial law can involve suspending elections.
Martial law can involve using the military in the United States with respect to the domestic citizenry.
I mean, so, you know, it is going to be important that we have a court that is capable of interceding and deciding whether the
There is an emergency and number one and number two, whether the president's conduct in response to that emergency is appropriate.
You know, Sandy, I'm looking breaking news.
Trump threatens new sanctions on Russia.
Sandy, you know, what's next?
Is he going to threaten sanctions on Earl Ingram and Sandy Williams?
I mean, what?
Here's the problem.
This is a president who likes.
If he had if he has a gun, I'm sure he would like to just shoot it.
You know, it doesn't matter This is the question of of the
the possibility of using power.
And if you are power hungry, then what you want to do is exercise that power, whether it means turning something on or turning something off.
I think this again is cosmetic eye wash.
Donald Trump just wants to prove to Congress that he's a tough guy with respect to Russia.
And so how tough is it to
claim or to state that you might increase sanctions on Russia.
All you're doing there is bluster until, in fact, that happens.
And, you know, I think that so far what Donald Trump has run into is a problem associated with the extent to which he's become way too cozy with Russia.
So let me ask you, Sandy, you know, in several weeks.
Uh, the, the, um, Congress is going to be faced with, uh, you know, the budget and Democrats are clearly stating, Hey, we're not good.
They don't want us to be involved in governing anything anyway.
And they're going to basically not even be involved in this.
The budget is going, you think it's going to be an albatross around his neck?
I said to you a couple of days ago, I think that the Democrats will be perfectly willing to sit on their hands.
And if the Republicans can't organize themselves in a way to pass a budget, I think that the Democrats will let the government shut down because.
the Republicans are hell-bent on shutting the government down anyway.
And what is happening right now with the conduct of the Republicans is more and more people are realizing the actual benefits that are provided by the federal government, that the federal government is not just a bunch of paper pushers and that when you lay off a bunch of federal employees and when you terminate a bunch of federal programs, it actually hurts because those programs and those employees are not just
paper pushers, and it's not just a balloon that when you pop it, it doesn't matter.
You know, Sandy, when the shutdown of the government, which almost appears to be inevitable because Congress, the Republican Congress and Republican Senate aren't on the same page, at some point in time, when will they start having these discussions?
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Really?
intelligence knows about the mob?
You know, you know, Sandy, um, as we watch what is happening before, uh, before eyes and it's, I mean, in such a short period of time, the dismantling of the levers of government, um, and you, and you just, even as an American citizen,
you sit back and you watch this and you and you just say, okay, do they ever even give it a second thought that, you know, after four years, the damage that they're going to have accumulated, then the people push, move back to the Democratic Party.
Don't they understand or do they not plan on ever relinquishing the power that they have?
I think they hope and plan that they won't relinquish the power.
Project 2025.
involves the discussion in the introduction to it, as well as the whole document, a two-year war.
So it's got a timetable.
They think they will have Congress for two years.
They think that in the first two years of this presidency, they can change the architecture of our government, put the power into the hands of the White House to micromanage the economy, to make sure that the policy that is the policy of the president will get impl...
up and down the line, that the war against the so-called administrative state will be won in those two years.
They'll knock the stuffings out of the number of people who work in Washington and make the agencies much less capable of doing what it is they were otherwise doing.
And what they're accomplishing is if you picture a pendulum, a pendulum on a short string swings very rapidly back
and
pendulum on a really long string swings slowly back and forth and what's happening now is they're shortening that string on that pendulum and they're making it very short indeed four years because every president who gets elected is going to be capable under this new architecture of being the new sheriff in town.
They even talk about that now, the people in the White House, that we've got a new sheriff in town.
And that new sheriff is going to be able to implement all new policies.
And so that pendulum is going to swing rapidly back and forth.
And that rapid swing is going to knock the stability out of the American processes, including our economy.
These people, in the name of creating a golden age, are
gonna kill the golden goose they're gonna kill our the stability that is the underpinnings for the american economy
so sandy i always speak from the perspective of the average american citizen that's who i am that's that's the community and the life that i live in and most of the people listening to this show that's who we are this continue
If now, you know, Democrats two years later or four years later get their chance to come and swing things back, it's going to take years.
This uncertainty and continue swinging back and forth damages the average American even more because there is no stability.
I mean, it damages the business community because they have trouble making the investments.
and the investments which might create jobs.
I mean, if you believe at all in the notion that our private economy requires a stable basis upon which investments can be made so the jobs will be created, we're knocking the underpinnings of that out with this process.
And this is the problem with ideologues
Getting control.
You know, there are people who look at Donald Trump today as the ultimate pragmatist.
Well, he's pragmatic about Donald Trump obtaining power.
He's not pragmatic about doing the things that are going to help America and Tom Dick and Mary.
And this new process of his securing power
is at the behest of a bunch of ideologues who want to change America in some very basic, dramatic ways.
It's an experiment, a huge experiment, and what we don't need is an experiment because experiments fail 90% of the
time.
So tell me how it makes sense.
I know this doesn't make any sense.
So he put Meg Mann in charge of the Department of Education so she can shut down the Department of Education.
I mean, yes, these are just nonsensical things.
very important policy initiatives, which are being done without any sort of public deliberation.
And deliberation is what's necessary to carry out the rational revision of our government.
And our government needs to be examined.
It probably needs to be revised in some fashion.
It needs to be made more effective.
But what we don't need is this lack of deliberation and just Medax smashing.
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