Trump: Russia vs Ukraine Revisited & Canada’s’ Tariffs (Hour 2)

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And this weekend seeming very short.

I remember there was a relativity problem there.

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Hey, good morning to you, Sandy.

How you doing, man?

Well, I'm doing all right.

And you know, it's Friday.

Hey, Sandy, it's Friday.

The Bucks last night, hey, the Bucks last night did it.

That was kind of, that's a good thing.

Hey, Sandy, but I can't let you skip.

It's Friday.

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Let me ask you, you've been retired for a while.

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Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Do you repeat that?

Yeah, every day is Friday.

Well, actually, depending on how you retire, every day is Saturday.

Yeah.

Yeah, there is something.

Every night can be Friday night.

You know, it's kind of nice, right?

Yeah, it's nicer than you think it's gonna be actually it works out alright.

Well, you know when you have When you have you know family and you have things that you do and activities I mean if you retire just to sit at home on the couch Not good not not good not good, but if you stay active and moving like I know you do

I mean, I mean, I think I, you know, I think life has got to have purpose.

And so, uh, what, what retirement has allowed me to do is simply to engage what I want to do and to do that, to focus my, my guns and effort on things that I would like to accomplish.

Uh, and so, you know, I think that, uh, I think that many people look at Jimmy Carter.

I mean, retirement was hardly a retirement for him.

Yeah.

You know, Sandy, we got a lot to talk about today as always.

want to begin with the shocking news of the books yesterday.

Yeah.

Man, when I heard that,

you know, well, first off, we're talking about Bobby Portis mistakenly apparently taking a ban substance being tested for it and now being suspended for 25 games, which is essentially the rest of the season.

Sandy, he's he's the third guy.

Yeah.

scoring, rebounding, and if you took away anybody else's third guy, it would be devastating, so it's gonna have a profound effect.

Well, I felt particularly badly because I think Doc Rivers did the right thing yesterday to have a press conference to discuss.

who Bobby Portis is and how this happened and ask the fans to understand, look, this is not because this person is a drug abuser.

This is because this person mistakenly took a drug called Tamarol when it should have been Tedorol.

You know, I probably get him confused because I'm not conversant.

But one of them is a is a opioid containing.

drug to be taken for healing from uh and the other and they're both used for the same purpose it's just that and an aide thought he was giving him the right drug uh and gave him the wrong drug and apparently this story has been checked out it's what happened but the but the nba rule is apparently indelible and unbendable and if you get if you get uh if the test is positive you get suspended

well you know you uh you can't blame the nba

that their rules are what they are for a reason.

And so they can't do something special for Bobby Portis, right?

I mean, that's what it is.

But the truth of the matter is, Sandy, now we'll see.

People have been questioning whether or not Doc Rivers can coach.

I've heard a lot of people say he can't coach, he can't coach.

I think Doc Rivers is a much better coach than they've given him credit for.

Sandy he's been putting together pieces and and and I think after watching the game last night He's got some better tools to work with people people were looking for some major big trade During and we were you and I and others we were looking for some you know off-the-chart trade during the deadline, but

Clearly they didn't have the pieces or any of those things, but they've kind of remade the team Sandy

Well, you know, they took a flyer on this Kevin Porter who apparently was having trouble not so much with his talent but with keeping himself harnessed and focused to use his talent He was a high draft choice.

He had there were high expectations for him and he's I think this were his fourth team and four years or something but the guy you know if in fact

You know, he makes good.

He's a super talent, you know, and so they've maybe done some things that could be big improvements They've got some younger athletic people like you've been talking about they need,

you know, I'm like, you know this you know, there's always Some naysay or mark who says if we believe that Bobby porters Did this unknowingly there is no hope I mean Bobby porters is not a guy

his character Sandy is And the things that he does in the community kind of person he is there's no question who Bobby Portas is and For someone to question, you know who he is and whether it's not his character.

It's just ridiculous, right?

Well, you know that that person is operating out of cynicism He doesn't know Bobby Portis any better than we do and and we're operating on the information that's being provided by the team by Portis by the league by the coach And I guess he's operating on a different basis.

Well, you know Sandy because The amount of money that these owners and organizations invest in their players

That they know who their players are Right, they do the research.

They're not they don't have druggies hanging around playing.

I

I do know this that the that the the box have

focused on character as being an important ingredient because they understand that in a league with a bunch of young people who are earning tons of money, that people can go the wrong direction and it can cost you and your locker room a great deal.

So I think that, you know, I'm...

I lean in the direction of both believing and trusting the words of the folks that are talking about exactly what

happened.

Oh, absolutely.

And the people who are around these people who know their character, you know, and, you know, I've seen Bobby Porter.

See, you know, he's got great character.

He's a great character guy.

You know, he's not, he wasn't, he's not Middleton.

but he's pretty close to it when you talk about what he does in the community and he's a community guy.

But anyway, I'll tell you, Sandy, they look good last night.

The trade that people really were upset about when they brought in, what's the guy's name?

Kyle Kuzma?

Yeah,

Kuzma.

That's gonna turn out to have been a really good trade.

He's athletic.

He can score in more ways than than Middleton could You know, he's he's up and down the court Sandy He's he's big and strong and fast and he can run with Yanis They're going to be much better and he's shooting threes from the other three-point line, too.

Oh, yeah Yeah, I mean that clearly they're going to be better the question Sandy is

The moves they made pale in comparison to the moves Cleveland made and Cleveland was already a Team that keeps piling on they're like the Celtics last year They know that they're a breath away from becoming a championship team so they're going all in Bucks.

I don't see the Bucks winning a NBA championship Sandy, but the Bucks are entertaining and to me that's kind of what you want, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you know, we can, you can hope it's, it's interesting.

Some teams come out of, come out of nowhere, come out of left field at least in the, in the playoffs.

You know, you can win four out of seven.

Right.

It's a little harder to do that.

But by Toronto, there have been some teams in the past who've come out of left field and went a long way.

Yeah.

Listen,

the books, you and I follow the books, right?

Yeah, the books are better now that you remember a year or two ago.

They were the oldest team in the league.

We didn't think there was any with no draft choices.

We didn't think there was any way possible that they could get younger.

Sandy, they've gotten younger.

Yeah, so if you were.

Hey, don't come on, man.

Come on, man.

In your dreams.

I don't.

Anyway, Sandy, we've got a lot to cover, a lot to talk about.

Let's say this.

The person who's in the White House, Sandy doesn't represent himself.

All the moves he makes represents the American people.

And so, as I'm watching and reading things and saying the American people, the American people, the American people, he is our president Sandy and he represents us, whether we like it or not, before the world, he represents us, right?

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we can talk about it after the break, but you know, I think that the problem, I mean,

You can have issues with policy.

You can also have issues with decorum and form.

You can have problems as well with process.

And so, you know, some of the policies that we're talking about are okay as far as I'm concerned, but the way they're being implemented, the form and the process and the lack of deliberation, all of these things are...

potentially extremely troubling and are troubling and I had coffee yesterday with a couple of guys who are peers of mine and basically we were sort of semi-comatose when it came to talking about how different things are today than they've ever been before.

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Well, that they don't.

She doesn't talk about the guy being orange.

When he looked in the mirror, there was an orange glint.

Well, it's a great choice.

Let me before we go to Ukraine, that was something you and I were going to start the conversation.

I mean, one of the things that's come up this past week is is, you know, I talked earlier about the imperial presidency and the extent to which.

Project 2025 has a concept of shifting the power substantially in the direction of the president and that the president is elected by the people and the people who occupy the offices and the various agencies are simply hired by the government but not elected by the people and that therefore the president as the elected executive ought to have great power.

and even to the extent of getting to the point of being quite imperial.

And our president quoted First Napoleon Bonaparte saying, he who saves his country breaks no law.

And then yesterday, after lifting the congestion pricing process in New York, tweeted, long live the king.

So this is a man who has a view of himself as having imperial powers, and everyone in the administration talks about the extent to which he was elected with this mandate that the people have spoken.

Well, I went back to look at the presidential elections during this century to see what the margin of election has been.

And so, you know, it's interesting.

George Bush II in 2004 was elected with 50.7 percent of the vote, a bare majority.

Barack Obama was elected with first time by 52.9 percent, the second time by 51 percent.

Donald Trump then was elected by 46 percent.

Joe Biden was elected by 51.3% of the people and in this last election Donald Trump was elected by 49.8% of the people.

Donald Trump's the only president in this century who's been elected by less than half of the people, less than a full majority.

In any case though, the extent to which people come into office as president with huge mandates is a falsehood.

It's a very close

close to majority kind of number in any case.

And in Barack Obama's case, all of these people in their first election got a Congress that was also elected with them.

So they had a couple of years of the capacity to...

to pass bills.

But when Barack Obama was president, Mitch McConnell said that it was his job to make sure that Barack Obama got nothing accomplished.

And they began to stonewall him after two years.

So then he began to use executive orders, nowhere near the number of executive orders being used by Donald Trump today.

And the Republicans became unglued.

They talked about how Barack Obama was an unconstitutional president, exercising powers like a monarch.

And, you know, they came apart at the seams when a Democrat did this.

Today, with the Republican, we have a different situation where we've got people on the Republican side saying, look, this man was elected.

He can do anything he wants, essentially, and that's the way he's behaving.

And that's the problem with shifting so much power to a president when presidents get elected with very slim majorities, if they get elected with a majority at all.

You know, Sandy, the fact that...

when this was put together the founding fathers said congressmen and senators did not have you know a limit they could they could remain there as long as the people continued to elect them presidents only got eight years there's a reason that the founding fathers created it in that manner sandy well

actually actually the founding fathers didn't put the eight-year limit on that came after f

dr

But in a constitutional amendment, but it's it was done for a reason.

Right that time people were concerned about having imperial presidents.

They they were accusing Franklin Roosevelt of being an imperial president.

He got elected multiple times primarily because he was a wartime president got two of those elections occurred during World War two.

But yeah, there's definitely purpose behind it.

And.

And there's also purpose behind the checks and balances, and there's purpose behind having due process procedures for the implementation of rules, as well as the removal of rules.

And there's also purpose behind the fact that the president doesn't have the power, according to the Supreme Court up till now, to simply impound money that's been authorized to be spent by Congress for programs.

So, you

know.

Well, you know, Sandy, they clearly disagree with that.

And so they're going to push the envelope and make somebody.

I thought the decision was already made, you know, how much power a president had.

But apparently he's, and they're looking to say, well, we've got more power than what you've said we have.

Well, they fully intend, and Project 2025 is all about this, they fully intend to push the edge of the envelope as far as possible with respect to the power of the president, the imperial power of the president.

And that term is being used by those who are in pursuit of this.

You know, they are looking to make the president put him in a position where he runs the government.

But what we're watching is that when you put that much power in one person's hand, he can create something that looks a great deal like a Casa Nostra protection racket in

in terms of the way he threatens people into obtaining the kind of conduct that he personally wants.

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Sandy, after laying that out on the other side, we'll make sure we have a conversation about the threats being made to Ukraine.

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Sandy Williams, what was on your mind last night?

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Well...

it's about what's going on and you know it sort of speaks for itself most of it some of its tongue and cheek maybe most of it is but you know I have to say what seems to be going on is varying degrees of astonishing whether it's appalling or

or whether it's something that is gratifying as a question of where you're coming from on this, but I think most people are astonished, and that the kind of things we're doing are out of left field to the point where they don't seem to be the subject of much prior deliberation.

They seem to be happening on the fly.

We're going to take Gaza, possess it, develop it into a Riviera that was...

seems like an idea that was hatched moments before the words were spoken.

And now we've got processes ongoing where we're essentially involved in making threats to Ukraine or its leader in lesson until they sign on the dotted line and sign over to us what might amount to trillions of dollars worth of rare earth minerals which they possess.

It's like

You know after the at the end of World War two the Germans who were defeated were forced to pay huge reparations to the victors This looks like we're asking a Ukraine to pay huge reparations to us For having been their allies when at the end of World War two what we did was the Marshall Plan for Europe to rehabilitate it which did involve giving them loans and then them spending the money on in the US to get a bunch of things accomplished but this

Now we have a president who is basically trying to bring the president of Ukraine to heel by denigrating him, insulting him, and saying, look, unless you sign on the dotted line here, I don't know, maybe you'll lose your country.

I mean, it's not about getting a piece now so much as it is getting a piece of Ukraine.

If China were doing this to someplace in the world, we would be jumping up and down, we'd be sending

aircraft carriers to sit offshore.

This is the kind of conduct that is bully boy, the bully boy conduct that we would accuse bad guys of doing.

And now we're one of them.

And in the long run, bully boys get ganged up on by the kids on the playground.

You know, Sandy, you know, maybe maybe you've seen it before, but I don't think I've ever seen.

nation just do a complete 360 and what we just saw with the support for Ukraine during the Biden administration and then a new administration comes in and just totally takes our nation in a 360 degree change.

Yeah, I

mean

where where was Donald Trump?

Why wasn't he speaking up on this issue at the beginning of the Ukraine conflict and saying and saying whatever it is that that ought to be the policy vis-a-vis the you know I was a person at the time if you can take the transcripts go back and look at them I didn't think that we should be encouraging Ukraine at the time to stand up

to Russia and not negotiate with them at the time that they were surrounded by troops because of the fact that I didn't believe that we had enough sufficient real interest in Ukraine to support them all the way through to the end of a war with Russia to a victory.

And it turns out that I was right because here we are bailing out on Ukraine now.

But that's what Donald Trump needs to admit we're doing.

We're bailing out on Ukraine now.

The worst part of it is that we're doing it in a manner that seems to be completely cowtowing to the position of Russia.

If we had performed as we should have, maybe in 2020, we would have helped create a balance of power that would have allowed for an outcome that was not totally biased.

But now we have a situation where we're adopting

All of Russia's talking points were using their disinformation as information.

I mean, I don't know whether Zelensky has a 57% approval rating exactly, but I do know this.

He does not have a 4% approval rating and we've got Elon Musk.

We've got Donald Trump.

We have others repeating those kind of things, which is clearly information that's being fed to them.

Let's go to Gary from Sussex.

Good morning to you, Gary.

You say what?

Well, this thing with Ukraine and Zelensky, the billions of dollars that we've given to them, I think that maybe the United States would like an audit to find out where that money went.

Did it go into Zelensky's personal pockets?

He won't he won't even give us any he won't give us any information where the money is how we spent it So why are you saying

why are you saying that and do you know that to be the case?

Well, this is what I've been listening to I mean He doesn't have any proof of where all this money is gone and and all Donald Trump is trying to figure out is where is the money just

No,

no,

that's not what Donald Trump is trying to do.

Donald Trump is trying to get him to sign a document to sign over one, one half of all of the rare earth minerals that are underground in Ukraine.

And

that's

different.

We

spent billions of dollars for him.

We gave him billions of dollars.

Don't you think that he owes us something?

Well, no, wait, let's just talk about what the conduct of alliances and what we've done in the past with respect to alliances.

provided this money to him to support him in a war against someone that we were describing at the time as being an enemy of Europe and the Europeans themselves have done the same thing.

Now the extent to which that money was handled correctly is the subject and should necessarily be looked into and should have been being looked into at the time and during the time that it was being expended and there's no question

that there was undoubtedly leakage.

Ukraine is a very corrupt country.

We knew that.

Russia knows that.

But you're trying to justify something that has never been carried out before.

We did not exact from South Korea reparations for the aid that we provided in South Korea.

We have not exacted reparations from any of the countries in the past that we've participated on the side of, okay?

This is completely different than what has ever happened in the past with respect to our conduct.

And how much do you think people who we would ally with are going to want us to be their allies if this is the outcome?

Well, the thing is, all the countries that we've ever given money to are independent countries.

They're not run by a dictator.

Also, so dear.

So

are you buying the proposition that Zelensky is a dictator?

Because he was elected in 2020 and the only election that hasn't happened is the one that was scheduled for 2024.

and you understand that having an election during a period of war is an almost impossible proposition if your country is the scene of the war.

We had elections during World War II, but we did not have warfare ongoing in World War II.

We were not the subject of attacks, assaults, and air raids, sirens, and we could have lines of people voting without putting them in danger.

Do you know, Sandy, if I close my eyes,

and and and listen to Gary.

I'm listening to Donald Trump.

He's quoting the exact same things that Donald Trump said.

He can't back up.

So so why is Zelensky a dictator, Gary?

Unless why is why is Zelensky a dictator?

Because first of all, he doesn't want to join the European Union, doesn't want to join NATO.

because Gary, thank you very much for the call.

It's pretty clear Gary is not, does not know what he's talking about, Sandy.

And he's quoting things that he's heard.

Well, yeah, like I said,

I was against the policy the United States undertook in 2020 with respect to Ukraine.

So am I unhappy completely with the foreign policy switch where we're moving in the direction of figuring out how to deal with Russia and bring them back into the process?

No.

But we should look at facts and at least recognize them.

Who is the dictator as between Vladimir Putin?

No question and Vladimir Zelensky.

Well, I think it's pretty clear Vladimir Putin is a dictator, okay?

He's been elected in falsified campaigns and elections in a in a country that has increasing repression and he's in his 24th year

Well, guess I guess Sandy what I would say before we go back to the phone lines is These are the kind of things that we're up against

Uh, and it's why this is such a dangerous time.

Let's go to Brendan from New Jersey.

Hey, good morning to you, Brendan.

You say what?

Well,

first of all, I mean, Gary and is just the, he's the victim of the propaganda machine, you know, who I listen, I understand Americans being concerned about money being spent, but she, Gary.

What's going on with Elon?

And why do you think he's going through all these systems maybe so he gets all his money for his defense contract?

And by the way, we didn't send the boatload of cash over there.

We sent weapons to their country so that they could fight the Russians and so that they wouldn't be taken over by dictator, okay?

Vladimir Balinsky was a stand-up comedian who got into politics and was voted into office.

He's not quite the person that you would put in that position as a dictator, and he stood up.

And all Trump is doing is going around with his hand out like he always does, because you want something for nothing.

It's not costing him anything.

And who do you think's going to end up with all those minerals?

I don't

know.

You think

it's going to be the American people?

I mean, you think we're going to profit from that?

No, we're not.

No, the oligarchs.

Gary, wake up.

The oligarchs are going to be selling government cheese before you know it.

All right.

So wake up.

Watch another news station.

Turn on the cartoon

network.

Sandy, uh, uh, Brenda kind of echoed a little

bit.

Well, yeah, that's what you were saying before we went on the air, but it's absolutely true that when you end up with the right to the minerals, you know, it's people likey.

Exxon and people who are going to mine those minerals and who's going to get the benefit of it.

The US government isn't in the mining business.

This process is so unseemly.

And the notion that we would essentially use a protection racket scheme in order to exact from Ukraine a huge benefit in terms of a financial benefit must be frightening to all of the rest of our allies who are coming to realize that everything comes with a very big price.

And my question for people who are looking at this and thinking about it is,

Whose arms are we pushing all these people into as we reject them, and as we become an unreliable ally?

I mean, if you're Europe, and you need, and if you're Canada, and if you're Mexico, and if you're all these countries that we're putting pressure on, who is it that you would turn to that might be powerful enough to help them resist the power of a country like the United States?

You know, Sandy, this is called the America first doctrine.

It turns out it's the Trump first Doctrine and not and not the American people but but you know Gary Sandy is is just a part of Far too many Americans who don't want to question anything Donald Trump says or does they believe in him 100% he can't do anything wrong and I'll say to those people Excuse me

Did they know anything about Donald Trump before he became the president, Sandy?

His character.

Well, they're proving that

Donald Trump was right, that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away and get away with it.

And in fact, I suspect he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue.

And Gary and others might decide that that guy was was a real threat.

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Well, that one's Fake Friends by Joan Jett.

So, you know, we've got some potentially disingenuous friends that might not be actually there for our...

personal gain or benefit.

We've got a lot to cover.

Let's go to Ali.

Good morning to you Ali.

Thank you very much for the call.

You say what?

Good morning Earl.

I just want to say to Gary that after 9-11 when we needed to help all the NATO nations were there to help us and afterwards

Now, one of them came back and said, okay, now we want half of your mineral rights, or we want this repayment, or we want that repayment.

They were there to help us, and that's what we were doing, paying our obligations and helping out Ukraine.

And for Trump to come in and say that,

They need elections and that We saw when even a small part of Ukraine that was taken over by Russia was forced to Have elections they were held by gunpoint to put their votes in ballot boxes that wasn't a free and fair election and I also have one thing for Sandy

When he says, we, we, we, really, it isn't we as in the United States is doing the things, it's Trump.

These are Trump's policies, not America's policies.

And we don't want people around the world to think that America is okay with these.

These are Trump's policies that are going into effect.

Hey, Ali.

Thank you, Sandy.

I want you to clarify that because this is why I keep saying he is.

He is us, right?

Well, the problem is

that the under the Constitution, the president has substantial powers for to conduct our foreign affairs.

And so he this is an area where he legitimately has the power.

It's normally been wielded by people who wield it with more.

predictability and maybe more responsibility than he is.

But yeah, that's the problem.

Then she's identified it is that the rest of the world views this as they might understand that it's the president doing it.

But it also represents the will of the United States because that's what he controls.

Let's go to Gene.

Good morning to Gene.

Thank you very much for the call.

You say what?

Well, good morning, guys.

I'm seeing that people who are following this know I love the saying, if they're stealing it, they're doing it.

And people have significant concerns about what's going on with Elon Musk and how he's ripping apart all of the structures that hold our democracy together.

And we're dealing with a person, and people really need to look up narcissistic and narcissism.

because he's surrounding himself with those type of people that don't give one iota about anybody but themselves.

You look at their family situations and many wives they've had and the zero concerns about their kids.

You pay attention to that stuff because you're being misled.

And this is significant.

Why are you cowtowing to a person who

friend Howard Stern warned the public that Trump don't care about you.

He pokes fun at you when he's not with you.

Why do you not pay attention to this guy who wanted military parades for himself?

He wasn't worried about the cost.

Why are you idolizing this man?

There's something wrong.

You need to look at yourselves, guys, because why do you need a man like this running a country calling a good man who is trying to protect his people?

actually protecting the people that he governed.

So, Linsky, give me a break.

He was right there with his people.

But the dictator is the guy that you're bowing down to.

The dictator personality.

He's spewing it and he's doing it.

Wake up, folks.

Thank you very

much.

Hey, Gene, thank you very much for the call.

You know, you know, Sandy Olly kind of took Umbridge to the fact that, you know, Donald Trump is representing us.

And she's speaking as if he's independently and what he's saying and doing is just Donald Trump Not the case ma'am.

He's He's the president of the United States That's all of

us, right?

I mean he thinks that people are count telling to what he says because it's him saying it

But he should understand this.

No, the

reason they're countering is it's the president of the United States that's saying that personal power.

It's the it's the power of the presidency, which is

the people.

Right.

Yeah.

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A lot more to talk about, Sandy, especially how European allies are looking at this.

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When the president talks to God, all the conversations brief for long Does he ask to rape our women's rights and send poor farm kids off to die?

Does God suggest an oil hack when the president talks to God?

When the president

Talks to God are the consonants all hard or soft is he resolute all down the line Is every issue black or white does what God say ever changes mind when the president talks to God

When the president welcome back

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Well, I think it's self-explanatory.

I think we currently have a president where there are people out there who actually

talk as if they think our president does talk to God or that he's here because of God.

We're in a strange time.

We are in a truly strange time and things day to day that are ongoing are strange.

All right, let's go to Mike from Kenosha.

Good morning to you, Mike.

Thank you for the call, man.

You say what?

Good morning, guys.

Happy Friday.

Thanks for taking my call as always.

You know, first of all,

regarding the Ukraine issue, we need to kind of roll back the calendar a little bit in and give a shout out to the Ukrainian people that after decades of the corruption, they didn't want anymore.

And so they removed was a Yanukovych, something like that.

I forget the guy's

name.

Yanukovych was his name.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the Ukrainian people.

stood up and they took their country back, right?

So then all of a sudden now, because we all know about the Donald Trump relationship with the Russians, we know how vital the oligarch's income in their pocketbooks was to Donald Trump's.

They were intertwined financially for sure.

It just, like you were saying a moment ago, Sandy, it's one of these things where you scratch your head, you wonder what in the world are people looking at that they can support a tyrant and somebody who, you know, like Putin.

You know, co-equal branches of government, you know, when we look at our U.S.

Constitution, we often, I think, neglect it.

We don't give it the respect it deserves, rightly so.

It's a brilliant, hard fought guide to people power.

What is more, I don't know, pacifying, what is more culturally acceptable than people determining their own path forward in the Republic?

And what we're seeing is this tyrant Donald Trump

you know, hiring minions and then, you know, dismantling, attempting to dismantle all the hard work and all the gains gained over the last 250 years.

It's really something to see.

But let me just remind people that Donald Trump's mentor, and he talks about this on a regular basis, was Roy Cohen.

And all you need to know to look into Donald Trump's mind is get a little history on Roy Collin.

And that'll probably change your attitude real quick.

But I'm a firm believer in co-equal branch of the government.

I'm a firm believer in people power.

I know what we're capable of.

We've seen it before.

But when we have a well-organized, well-funded, dark-money machine,

that allows the Jesse Walters, the Sean Hannity, the Tucker Carlson's, to get inside people like Gary's head and manipulate the information.

I mean, the big lie, the Russian influence, all these things that have jumbled up the American's brain, our minds, it's worked.

So going forward,

We're going to have a very active populist.

And the challenge I think we have today to finish the call is America and all the people out there, when you see people like Earl, when you see groups like the truth chamber trying to do public work, doing your work, support them.

Now's not the time to be sitting on the couch.

Now's the time to get up.

and get going.

Hey, Mike, thank you very much for the comment.

Really appreciate it.

Let's go to CJ.

Let's go to CJ.

CJ, you're up.

Well, thank you for taking my call, Earl and Sandy.

You know, as you folks are worried about what's going to happen and don't care about what did happen, I'd like to talk about some of the successes already.

What are the what are the border numbers already?

They're down under 300 yesterday So as you guys claim that this guy is you know gonna he's a dictator Ukraine it's now considering security of the United States NATO is now going to pay more

Because they agree.

Well, wait, let me let me

let me ask you

this.

How?

Wait, CJ CJ wait NATO is going to pay more.

What do you mean pay more?

Well, who do they pay money to?

What are you talking about?

NATO is going to pay

more.

The NATO the NATO countries are agreeing that they need to pay more.

Pay more for what for their own defense, right?

Amen.

because I know but I mean I mean they don't they don't pay money into they don't pay money into a pot they pay money to their own defense contractors and to their own military that's what you're talking about right it's it's not a it's not a do payment a dues payment in Donato

they weren't paying their fair share and they're agreeing to pay more the United States has made a ton

you go

wait wait wait wait wait wait cj you're you're conflating we don't we don't pay money into nato

well and

so cj and so cj we pay money we pay money for our own defense we have a defense budget

and we expend money for our defense.

Well, Sandy, we

haven't had CJ on for a while and there's a reason and he comes back and he changes the subject.

The subject and what we've been talking about is not that CJ.

We're talking about a man who is the president of the United States, who is doing and saying some things to call the president of Ukraine, you know, a dictator.

And to say the things that he's saying and doing I don't want to go back talking about the border We're talking about the things that he is doing right now That's impacting the American people and endangering this globe

Well, and let me say that the prior caller who called in was talking about Ukraine Ukraine's a very fraught country with very complex politics But we should remember that Paul Manafort

the man who ran Trump's election campaign in 2016, his major client was Mr. Yanukovych, the Russian-leaning president of Ukraine, who was the subject of the so-called coup, the Maidan Revolution that occurred in 2014, which itself was a fraught event.

But for a long time now, President Trump has been...

and his advisors have been people who have come from the Russian leaning side of politics in Ukraine.

And Ukraine has divided...

They have people who are Ukrainian nationalists who want to move away from Russia.

And there were people like Mr. Yanukovych who wanted to be tight with Russia.

And I wish you'd just understand that Donald Trump and the people who have supported him have long come from that side of the ledger, okay?

But we should all understand that Ukraine itself is a very complicated place that was pouring money into Washington on both sides of this.

as you misrepresent, you misrepresent what the president says your party does.

Okay, they claim that Trump wanted out of NATO.

No, he didn't.

He wanted countries to pay their.

We haven't misreviewed.

We haven't even talked about that.

And we haven't talked about whether he wants out of NATO or not.

There are people in the news media who are suggesting that J.D.

Vance and others are of a view that we ought to back out of NATO.

But Donald Trump's conduct that we're talking about is the conduct vis-a-vis his direct dealings today, yesterday, the day before yesterday with Ukraine.

Yeah, and making threats to another nation.

You know before the world That that's not anything that I recall Sandy any president in my lifetime doing what why should we allow?

Any president to act in that manner the world is watching.

Yeah

All right CJ, thank you very much for the call Let's go to Susan from Kenosha.

Good morning to you Susan you say what?

Good morning, and I love the discussion this morning again.

You guys are absolutely right about Solinsky, about Ukraine.

I always wondered why Putin wanted Ukraine so badly that he would throw so many people against the wall and kill as many people of his country in order to obtain that property.

Now we know it's the minerals for the lithium batteries.

of the future.

And so you have to look and there's always a reason that someone goes after someone else.

But as far as us being in NATO, yes, the NATO countries are watching this and actually every country in the world.

And yes, Trump wants to get out of NATO.

He said that before and no doubt he will and he will support

Putin and his dictatorship, and he wants to bring that dictatorship functional over to the United States.

And those people who actually take in all this propaganda are the people who will actually push us into that dictatorship.

But one thing I have to say, the German Defense Minister, Boris Petrovis, I can't think of his pronunciation incorrectly,

called Vance Anoxi.

And I thought that was so hysterical, I started laughing.

And Susan, this is how they view us.

Thank you.

Thank you very much for the call.

No, no, no problem.

No problem.

We're up against the time.

But thank you very much for the call as always.

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Let's go to Phil.

Good morning to you, Phil.

You say what?

Good morning, Earl.

Can you hear me

okay?

Yes, sir.

Bill.

I'd like to address this good CJ.

He's way too young to remember the Cuban missile crisis.

He's way too young to understand what we had to do to

build an alliance of allies in Europe.

So we, the free world had a shot.

Now, Trump, who is so endeared and likes to take a need of Putin, is giving Putin everything he wants.

Putin needed a useful idiot.

He found one.

And CJ, if you have lived a little longer, you might understand at least half-

Well,

you know, Bill, thank you.

CJ's old enough to remember that.

He just doesn't care.

Hey, hey, Sandy.

So the Republicans and Donald Trump are saying, why don't we give a doge dividend?

So so help people understand what a doge dividend is.

Well, I mean what they're talking about doing is some free money Well, they're talking about taking money that they're supposedly saving and Sending out five to eight thousand dollars on average per taxpayer To reward them or essentially to and sent them to believe that this whole doge thing is a good idea now States have sent back money to their taxpayers, but they do that when they have a surplus.

Okay, and most states

have a requirement that they have a balanced budget.

So when they have a surplus, they have to figure out what to do with the body.

And usually the politicians decide the best thing to do is to send it back to the taxpayers in some fashion.

But here we have a situation in which we have ongoing deficits.

And in fact, the budgets that are being passed in the House and Senate by Republicans, both of those budgets include

very substantial deficits, okay?

Because the tax reductions that they're talking about exceed any savings that are coming out of the Doge program by factors of two or three.

And so what they're talking about doing is sending money back to the taxpayers to increase the size of what the deficit would otherwise be.

And they're doing it for purely political purposes.

It's like, this is worse than a chicken in every pot.

This is buying people sympathy.

You know, Sandy, when

when Joe Biden and and this government sent out the checks during COVID.

And they were and they were and he was disparaged from sending those dollars out at a time, Sandy, that our nation was in dire straits in the American people.

Many of them.

That were in dire straits and they needed those resources to keep the government going That's not the case and they made mockery of that.

Well, you can remember that before that President Trump sent out checks that were signed by President Trump.

He did it on purpose to make sure that

all that everybody who received that thought it was coming out of what Donald's pocket.

It was an act of large yes, but this is so disingenuous.

The notion that we would take money that's supposedly saved, what we're doing is saving money we don't have, okay, and we're sending it out to increase the size of the deficit.

If a family did this,

uh, you know, the they would be, uh, their, their financial consultant would, would mock them as, as being, uh, uh, totally financially unsound.

You know, Sandy, people will, especially people, Sandy, who, who are struggling economically, he's, they're playing on that.

Um, as people are, some of them at their lowest, they will, they will certainly welcome.

Getting oh, you know wouldn't I know

free money, right?

I mean, it's like it's like Jay Jay beer has been for Tipton the guy the millionaire on my TV show that used to give out a million dollars to who wouldn't take it but you know This is just So cynical and it's designed to lure people into thinking that the doges is

pulling off miracles.

The fact is that NPR did a very deep dive into what Doge has supposedly saved so far because they haven't been yet transparent, although the data they put out suggests that whereas they're claiming they've saved like 85 billion dollars, the number is much closer to 1 to 2 billion and even that is somewhat suspect.

Half of the 85 billion was a misprint, okay, that they adopted a savings where the expenditure level was

uh I believe uh 75 million okay not billion and they cut it in half and they took it they took credit for the 36 billion when in fact the number was 36 million and whereas they corrected it on one that one website they have not corrected it on their on their press releases where they're talking about gross savings and when you end up

deep diving into whether the money was actually saved because it was actually going to be spent or was spent or wasn't spent.

You find out that the number is much closer to one to two billion.

You know, you know, Sandy, um, the whole purpose and reason for them to try to reel in government was to, you know, cut the pain that the form, that the, the generations that come after us, that they won't have to deal with all of this debt.

But that's not what a decision to give this money back will render, is it?

No, I mean, when you look at intergenerational equity, intergenerational interest, our interest or the interest of our great grandchildren, you know, sending money back today is to benefit us, our generation.

not sending that money back and reducing the debt is a benefit to our grandchildren who are going to bear the onus of the debt that we leave behind.

So, you know, you're absolutely right.

If we were going to be responsible in caring about our grandchildren, we would definitely not send that money back today.

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Well, you know, the state of Wisconsin has on Wisconsin as its theme song and the state of Canada has that, oh Canada.

You know, actually the whole concept of Canada becoming the 51st state, you know,

Donald Trump thought about it, it would become probably the 51st through 60th state.

There'd probably be 18 new senators to welcome to the fold.

And, uh, and who knows what their, what their politics might be.

I mean, you know,

you know, Sandy, the fact that this man has picked a fight for Canada.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just, it's just nonsensical.

Well, and you know, he talks about how we subsidize Canada to the tune of $100 billion.

What he's talking about is a trade deficit.

Okay, we buy $100 billion worth.

of things more from Canada than they buy from us.

But of course, we're a much bigger country than Canada in terms of our population, in terms of the size of our market.

And there's no economist would agree that a trade deficit is in any way comparable to a subsidy, okay, or the payment of money to a country.

But that's the way Donald Trump talks about it.

And that might be the way he thinks about

it.

You know, Sandy, in my lifetime,

I don't ever remember us having a disagreement with Canada.

We can definitely have disagreements about tariff policies and about trade policies, and I'm sure we've had discussions and negotiations regarding it, but I've never heard of us

demeaning the place or describing it as something that ought to become our 51st state.

This is an imperial president who thinks about an empire.

He's thinking about Greenland.

He's thinking about Canada.

He's thinking about the Panama Canal.

And now he wants the treasure of Ukraine.

to be ours

and you know and not and not for the nation but for himself uh let's go to jack good morning to jack thank you very much for the call you say what

good morning why don't we end on the national debt and the cuts business that you guys were talking about i

go ahead

part of it but i you know okay number one on the national debt the people who brought us to where we're at today the president's recently or jarred w bush and donald trump

For Donald Trump, it was the tax good breaks for the wealthy, primarily 85% of it went to people making more than half a million dollars.

That added 4.3 trillion dollars to the national debt.

Well, that was supposed to go away in 2025.

And so the Trump Republican budget says, no, we're going to keep that tax break in and we're going to give them another.

So you're looking at a 4.3.

increase in the national debt because he's not removing the tax breaks that he gave, and then he wants to add another $2 trillion on top of that in terms of breaks, mainly going to wealthy people.

So, you know, in this business of he's going to give money back, no, he's missing the point.

If you want to lower the national debt, okay, you could give something back if it were there to give, but you also might have to raise or...

at least follow the rules from the last tax break and increase the debt, the tax primarily on the wealthy people.

So I think we're just in a terrible situation overall, but we need to stay with this.

We need to watch this budget very carefully that Trump is putting out and stay on top of it.

Thanks for your

comment.

Hey, Jack, thank you very much for.

uh you know those thoughts and do you want to respond to jack

well he's actually right and you look at ran paul a senator who i definitely don't agree with on many things but he's at least a financial realist who understands that putting a tax break

forward at a time when you're trying to reduce deficits doesn't make sense.

And this concept of trickle down that the tax break will itself pay for itself through an expansion of the economy hasn't worked in the past didn't work for the prior Trump tax break isn't going to work for the tax breaks going forward.

What we need to do is get closer to a balanced budget which includes focusing on the revenue side.

Let's go to Tom for my leg.

Good morning to Tom.

You say what.

Tom.

Tom.

All right, let's go to Chuck.

Good morning to you, Chuck.

You say what?

Good morning.

Part of my family's Canadian.

Donald Trump, you had a caller who said, was listing his, quote, successes.

We have successfully alienated our best ally.

And we export to Canada.

the most goods and services of any country on the planet.

Between Canada and Mexico, that is 33% of our exports, one third.

They are boycotting us.

Exports will tank.

The economy will tank.

The world despises us.

I have a sister that lives in France.

The French are ready to put troops in Greenland.

All's Greenland and Denmark has to do is say the word.

We are becoming despised.

Musk, Canada, is ready to put 100% tariff on Tesla.

The world sales of Tesla is tanking.

Yet, this man gives himself a $400 million

defense contract for military vehicles, wherein the heck is Tesla's experience in military vehicles, speaking of doge, which is a ridiculous situation.

Unconstitution is all billy heck.

And those contracts that he has worth 15 billion, he's

He's gutting agencies that give oversight or have direct investigations of him and his businesses on those contracts.

Can you say fraud?

This is the most corrupt, anti-democratic

Administration in our nation's history and every American should be shamed I get the feedback from the world and the world is saying Shame on America,

you know, you know Chuck walking on your your your your Your your emotion in your voice Says it all Sandy.

He's it is the perception

Well, one of the things I wanted to talk about in this show, I don't think we have a lot of time left, is how tariffs work and what this tariff program that's being talked about by the president is going to do to our economy.

But if you understand it, you would understand that tariffs are a very backward process.

And by erecting tariff walls, first of all, ultimately, if tariffs are truly successful, you end up

not importing goods, but you also don't export many goods either because all of the rest of the world has erected tariffs and put walls around their economy to the extent they can and to the extent possible, so that international trade has diminished a great deal.

When international trade has diminished a great deal, the prices of everything across the world go up.

So you end up with a world inflationary period as the world adjusts to the new world of more expensive goods being made in the most expensive way locally.

And then you end up as well.

with the growth of each business being restricted to the growth of the marketplace in which they operate.

So, you know, the United States corporation, the ones that have been successful, a great deal of their corporate growth has been premised on sales abroad.

Those are the growing markets.

The American economic market is very mature.

Yes, it's the biggest market in the world, but it's not growing at a rapid pace.

So if you're an American business and if your sales are restricted to the American economy, you will not have a high growth rate in your business.

You will have the growth rate that is the growth rate of the American economy, which is not anything like the growth that's being experienced by successful corporations as they participate in world trade.

So this is all

a process of shooting off our toes, not one at a time, but shooting our feet off as we proceed down the line of shutting down international trade and trying to create a world that looks more like 1950.

Well,

you know, Sandy, Trump is not that ignorant.

He knows the outcomes.

Oh, I don't think he does.

I don't think he does.

I think he thinks he talks about tariffs being the most beautiful word in the world.

He talks about tariffs as if they magically create revenue when the revenue from tariffs is paid by the American people.

It's just a very regressive tax.

And it's also a very, it's a process that increases profits of American businesses in the near term, but not in the long

term.

So Sandy, Marxist Trump is brilliant enough to realize that other

countries are our competitors not our friends.

Okay

well

I hope Mark invest heavily in all of Donald Trump's businesses and I hope he was an investor in the casino businesses in the past because Donald Trump his business brilliance has been well suspect let's put it that way.

Alright let's go to Tom from LA.

Tom go ahead

sir.

I don't want to hear from Republicans talking to me about balanced budgets and everything.

There's only one person that has balanced the budget in my lifetime, one president.

And that was William Jefferson Clinton.

So don't give me this guff about you guys think you're the ones that save us money when you lie us into war and you give tax cuts to the billionaire class.

I would like to make a recommendation to the audience this weekend.

Go to Netflix, it's cold there.

Go to Netflix and go to Turning Point.

The bomb and the cold war.

Turning Point, the bomb and the cold war.

Such a great documentary, nine episodes and I strongly recommend it.

And Sandy, I really do think that CJ thinks that NATO is something to do with paying dues like homeowner dues or golf tees.

I don't think they understand it.

So maybe we could take some time.

So, you know, people that have not been educated and have been thrown propaganda.

Well, Donald Trump might think that it's like paying dues.

I don't know.

But could you explain that to the audience, please?

Because I think it's really important with NATO.

Have a great weekend.

All right.

Thank you, Tom.

Well with respect to NATO you know what happened was that the NATO members all agreed some while ago that they would try to shoot for paying at least or spending at least two percent of their GDP on defense and the United States was has been spending four three four five percent of its

GDP on defense, depending on the time period and the growth rate of its GDP.

And the fact is that NATO has, the NATO countries have moved in the direction of doing that.

But this is all money that's expended within their countries, within their budgets, toward their, their own participation in, in defense.

And we should understand that NATO was originated at the behest of the United States.

And one of the reasons for it was that we wanted to make sure that the European countries one didn't develop armies independently that

would fight against one another because that had been the source of the major conflicts during the 20th century.

And two, they were a great client for the United States military industrial complex.

We were selling them their armaments, and we were putting our troops abroad all across Europe in a manner that was facilitating our own defense.

Um, yeah, it's not exactly the way the people have portrayed it.

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Well, that music is from Panama.

The prior music was from Canada.

I'm just bringing music from the countries that are in Donald Trump's crosshairs right now.

You know Sandy, the guy earlier, Jack, who said he had family in Canada and he had...

And and and family in Italy or France yeah, and you felt the emotion He's he's outraged As

many of us should be well Donald Trump seems to be fixated on natural resources So you know Canada obviously is a place that has a great deal of oil.

It has it has rare earth minerals It's it's a country filled with natural resources Greenland

Greenland has no people to speak of, but it obviously is a place with great natural resources.

This was the stuff that drove empires to be created in the 19th century.

You know, Queen Victoria was running around the world trying to find natural resources to take over, and here we are doing it again, I guess.

But, you know, this is the 20th, 21st century, and the world of empire building, I thought, was in the rearview mirror, and it's kind of alarming to see us

take this on again.

I mean, you can accomplish access to other people's minerals through alliances, through business transactions, but taking countries over was something that we accused other people of.

It's something that we accused China of.

It's, you know, it's, we're worried about China and Taiwan, a situation in which Taiwan is, we've conceded part of China, and yet we're, we now take great umbrage at the notion that they might try to exert control over it.

And here we are talking about doing the very same thing.

You know what I'm

saying?

This whole idea.

Donald Trump is the great deal maker.

There's a deal around every corner We don't need the president of the United States to be making deals But but there are people who defend all he's just a great deal maker.

That's not the way this is supposed to work

Well, I think if I think if the rest of the world believes that that the United States support and the the largest of the United States comes with a great cost We'll find that they won't be interested.

Okay And if and if it comes with a big stick then then all the other nations of the world are gonna have to find someone who can help them defend themselves against the guy with a big stick and There are a couple of countries out there who are willing and able to do that one of them is named China

so and

Yeah, so saying that I wanted to get this in.

We talked about this a little bit, didn't get a chance.

But the we the United States has been looked at as a defender of other nations of the earth all of this time.

And here one guy steps in.

And now the rest of the world is afraid of the United States.

That's that's that's happened

in a month in a month.

No, it happened in 24 hours.

Oh, yeah, Donald Trump last this this last week we went from one policy with respect to Ukraine to accusing Zelensky of being a dictator to suggesting that Ukraine started the war with Russia and to basically

try to muscle Ukraine into giving us 50% of their mineral resources as a price for essentially our friendship, as a price for not insulting their president, as a price for not essentially yielding them to Russia.

And

to pay us back.

Let's go to Cindy quickly from Appleton.

Go

ahead, Cindy.

I just want to say, I don't think that Trump is a deal maker.

He's a deal breaker.

Look at all the deals he's breaking.

That's been in process for, you know, decades here.

So he's not a deal maker.

All right.

Thank you very much.

Brendan, go ahead.

Yeah, listen, I wanted to say real quick before we're all off for the weekend, we're talking about Ukraine and everything going on in Ukraine.

It hit the news yesterday.

I got.

in short time here.

They hit the news yesterday that Hagstaff is about to start firing generals and cutting the defense spending.

The defense spending is cutting is just a ruse while they fire generals that wouldn't go to Greenland or Finland and try to take these places over.

So here we go.

Once he starts to affect the military, we got a huge problem and America better start getting to the streets.

and start protesting and start letting this idiot know we're not going to stand for it.

Hey

Brendan,

thank you

very much for the call.

Sandy, he is talking about firing generals.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And he's going to do it for sure.

I mean, it was something that they talked about, something Heg said that they essentially ran for his office on when he was talking to Trump about becoming what he has become.

Yeah.

And the fact is that much of this doge process ends up looking a great deal like a protection racket, which is, look, you people in these agencies either lying up behind us,

or we're going to put you in front of a firing squad.

All

right, Sandy, great stuff.

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