“You Can’t Erase History!” Affirmative Action Pt 2 (Hour 2)

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It's also Black History Month.

And so a week or so ago, I had a brother on the air with me, Reggie Jackson, who's an award-winning journalist, speaker, researcher, writer.

a historian and, and has received so many different awards.

If I had to take the time out, why do you keep all those awards, man?

Uh, well, I have some of them were actually right behind me, Earl.

Yeah.

But my, uh, my, uh, my basement, uh, kind of studio and the rest are upstairs in a variety of different places.

Yeah.

Well, my, my, uh, in my, um, China cabinet.

I was

just thinking, you know, uh, we get these awards of recognition and, uh, you know, I haven't done anything with the mother and put them, put them away, but you have so many and so many prominent, uh, awards.

Let me, let me name a few man.

Um, you know, let me, let me begin.

Uh,

You the why why WCA 2016 courageous love award from the first Unitarian Society of 2017 Frank P. Zyla public service award people knew who Frank Zyla was they would know the impact of that ward Because Frank Zyla a philanthropist who's after his death set up, you know a trust fund that that is being

used as he disseminated his wealth To deal with issues that impact and affect people in in the community in poor communities He he certainly could have did like many others, but he was such a special man Reggie to receive that award your thoughts

You know, I'm always honored I was on the the board of directors of the Frank P. Silas Center for public discussion and work with You know former mayor's daughter.

Yes

before her passing, and it was just an honor to be in that space with people that were fulfilling some of the things that he wanted to fulfill for the city of Milwaukee after his death.

You received the first ever Mike of Milwaukee in the city, a congregations ally for Hope Legacy Award.

You received the Robert H. Freebert Social Justice Award from the Jewish Community Relations Council.

You received...

the independent because you're a writer for the independent community relations writer for the Milwaukee Independent, contributing writer to the Huffington Post, his 2018 column for the Milwaukee Independent won a 2017 Silver Award for Best Online Column from the Milwaukee Press Club and 2018 Gold Award for Best Online Column and Silver Award for Best Writer Column.

Uh, you served as a race relations expert for CNN, Wisconsin public radio, the Chicago tribute on and on and on, man.

And so I just want people understand the magnitude of the person that I have on the air today, but more than any of those things, man, you're my friend, man.

And, uh, and man, uh, you know, that's invaluable to me.

Yeah, absolutely.

Earl, uh, you know, I appreciate good friendships.

And I appreciate people that are doing things to make our community better.

And that's part of the reason I continue to support the work that you do.

I think that, you know, your voice and the voice of the guests that you bring on the air on a daily basis, Monday through Friday, you know, gives give voice to our community in a way that, you know, few others do.

So,

Reggie, let's let's begin.

I thought it was important, man.

The the Kerner, the Kerner Commission.

for people who don't know.

Back in 1968, Lyndon Johnson commissioned the Kerner to do a report on what was happening in our nation and clearly there was a

There was just so much unrest going on in our nation at that time.

The civil rights movement was really at its apex almost, and people just weren't taking what they had taken in the past.

My parents' generation, the great generation, I guess is what they referred to it as,

Came here from the south and they dealt with some horrible horrible things That went on in the south of course segregation was legal In the south it wasn't in the north, but that didn't mean it didn't exist But there's so many so much unrest that was going on in the nation Reggie the current report well Tell us a little bit about the current report me

of 1968, because there's another one that came out 50 years later, but the current report of

1968.

This commission, current commission was, you know, asked by President Johnson to explore, you know, the cause of civil unrest across the country.

And they took a very deep look into the causes of these situations in cities across the country, including Milwaukee, the civil unrest we had in Milwaukee in 1967.

And they wanted to, you know, they were commissioned specifically to find out what was causing these.

And what can we do about them?

And so part of the current commission, I think most people miss out on is they made a series of recommendations at the end, some that were followed, most that were ignored.

And one of the probably the most interesting things to me about the current commission report was the fact that President Johnson wasn't happy with what it said because it basically said that the cause of all of this civil unrest is white racism.

and the way black people have been treated.

And President Johnson didn't expect that to be the finding of this commission.

And so he never invited them to actually speak with him about their report.

And he pretty much just kicked it to the curb for the most part, ignored their recommendations.

And I think had they followed through with those recommendations and done what the current commission report asked, I think there would be a lot further ahead as a nation.

A lot of the problems that we're dealing with today, I don't think we'd be still dealing with in the same way.

You know,

I

always tell people the best thing to do is just to read the reports yourself because there's so much in it, Earl.

It's so much just valuable, valuable information that no one can really tell you what's in it without you taking a deep dive into it yourself.

You know, it's available online.

It's very easy to find.

And it's easy to read.

Very easy to read.

You know, so so it basically said poverty and institutional racism were the driving inner city violence.

And and so, you know, with that, having been said, pent up frustrations boil over in many poor African-American neighborhoods during the mid to late 1960s, setting off rise to a rampage out of control from block to block.

burning, battering, and ransacking property-raising crowds created chaos in which some neighborhood residents and law enforcement operatives endure the shocking random.

injuries or death.

Many Americans blame the riots on outside agitators or young black men who represented the largest and most visible group of riders.

But in March 1968, the Kerner Commission turned those assumptions upside down, declaring white racism, not black anger turned the key that unlocked the urban American turmoil.

Reggie, I live, I was 14 years old in 1968.

I was very much aware of what was transpiring, what took place, why it took place, and listening to the pros and cons of why black people were such criminals.

Because at the time, that's exactly what was being talked about on the news, nightly news, that...

you know, these people are criminals and they need to be dealt with.

And so we need to lock them up.

And, and so that was what they were doing in the South Reggie, where you're originally from.

I'm born in the North.

The things that they were doing were legal segregation was legal in the South.

Tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah, so you know, when we think about segregation laws, they go back to Supreme Court decision 1896 and Plessy v. Ferguson.

It basically made any type of segregation law constitutional across the country.

And I always explain these segregation laws as a legalized discrimination or they not only legalized discrimination against black people, but it mandated discrimination against black people.

If you didn't discriminate, then you were literally breaking the law.

If you allowed a black person to, you know, use a water fountain, you know, all these things that they weren't allowed to use, then you were breaking the law.

So it wasn't just, you know, the fact that these were discriminatory.

It was the fact that legally they were required.

So white people who didn't want to discriminate were literally required by law to discriminate against black people.

And that's the power of the Jim Crow segregation laws.

You know, Reggie, I think that there are...

enough people in this nation who understand that who even know that history and and so it's easy to say Well, that was a long time ago Yeah, well, you know Kind of you know what?

70 years ago.

That's not a long time ago Reggie, right?

I mean, it's really not a long time ago when you talk about how long the nation's been around but but the fact

that the history, that history right now they're trying to do away with is really what's at the root of a lot of these things.

And we're gonna drill down.

I'm so thankful to have you on for a show.

We're gonna cover a lot of different territory.

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My guest is the CEO of Reggie Jackson, Incorporated.

And as I said before, there's so many different accolades.

It would take me the rest of the show to tell you about them.

But Reggie, the Pew Research Center, August 10th, 2023.

View of the country's progress on racial.

About half of the U.S.

adults, 52% say that in the last 60 years, the country has made a great deal of fair or a fair amount of progress in ensuring equal rights for all people, regardless of race or ethnicity.

A third say the country has made some progress and 15% say the country hasn't made much progress or any progress at all.

About half of the adults, 52%, also say efforts to ensure equal rights for all people having gone far enough.

About a quarter, 27% say efforts have been about right, while 20% say they've gone too far.

Now, the country's progress on racial equality in the last 60 years, let me read this paragraph and then we'll get back to you, Reggie, by race and ethnicity.

White adults are the most likely to say the country has made a great deal or a fair amount of progress in ensuring racial equality 58% say this in turn black adults are the least likely to say they've been a lot of progress 27% about a third of black Americans 32% say the country hasn't made much progress or any progress at all Reggie the reason that we can't

get past this is We're looking through two different prisms and and so how do we get beyond and Get people to look at the exact same thing that there's there's not two truths on this Reggie.

There's only one truth

Yeah, absolutely, you know the truth is the truth and this is the thing that makes it so difficult early is that some people don't want to believe the truths of other people You know white America is never really wanting to acknowledge our voices in a way That our voices stand inequality with theirs and so the differences in that Paul from Pew Research is clearly To me a sign that you know people have different perspectives based on how their lives are being led

And so it's clear to me that a majority of black people clearly look at what white people have been told is progress and don't see it as progress.

For instance, if you look at something like home ownership, which is a big issue during the civil rights movement.

Blacks not being able to access home loans and become homeowners in the same way as whites.

The gap between Black and white homeownership today is as stark as it was in 1968 when the Federal Fair Housing Act was passed.

It's a nearly 30 point difference.

In fact, if you go back to 1968, the Black homeownership rate nationwide was about just over 41%.

And today it's

somewhere between 42 and 44 percent.

So that's not really much progress.

I mean, that's that's like a rounding error in many ways.

And that that's the lived experiences of black people.

And they know that.

And they expressed that in that poll, whereas white people just think that, you know, we passed the laws.

That's all that we needed.

But no, passing laws is not enough.

And, you know, when we talked about Jim Crow laws earlier, people understand is a lingering

effect of those.

For instance, Earl, when I was five years old, living in my hometown in Mississippi, they had two swimming pools.

They had a swimming pool for black kids and they had swimming pool for white kids.

And when I learned to swim at the age of five, I wasn't allowed to go to the white swimming pool and use it.

I mean, this is years after.

you know, the 1964 Civil Rights Act was supposed to provide people access to, you know, segregation-free spaces.

That wasn't the case in my hometown.

And even through the 1980s, I can remember going back and visiting my hometown, you know, there was still a separate swimming pool for black kids, and that swimming pool closed.

They didn't have access to the white swimming pool and kids had to go out to the creek outside of town to swim.

And kids literally drowned because there was nobody there, no lifeguards, anything of that nature.

So those lingering impacts of, you know, Jim Crow policies, not just the policies, but the practice of Jim Crow didn't just end because the law changed.

You can't legislate morality or all I say this to people all the time.

You can change laws and you can demand that people do certain things, but you can't.

necessarily forced him to be morally right.

Hey, I read you real quick.

This one actually a question.

How do you feel about the Lake Lanier situation?

Lake Lanier

situation.

I'm not

sure.

Well,

that's a situation where I'll go ahead, Cardi.

Well, yeah, kind of like it's a situation where they had a huge flourish in town.

Black people were like they're coming up there on up and coming.

A lot of businesses were going.

The people decided to drown the town out.

there's actual still like remnants of all like the communities and stuff underground there's a huge black community but decided like the white people came and they just they drowned it out they didn't want them to flourish in a sense

yeah well you know that's something that we saw in many places across the country uh after the civil war ended

Black people were so frustrated with their living conditions that they went and they formed all Black towns to protect themselves.

Not because they didn't like white people.

They wanted to literally protect themselves from violence, which was one of the most important elements of Jim Crow segregation was violence.

It flourished because of violence.

And so they wanted to get away.

And because they did this, white people wanted to destroy those new places they created.

You know, Reggie,

Certainly we're going to be moving forward with the conversation because there are people who will quickly say that was a long time ago.

One of the reasons why it's so good to have you on today is we're going to bring this up to today.

And we can point out clearly that there are still, we're not talking about vestiges, we're talking about things that are still happening today.

In this country that that hinder blacks and have not given blacks equal and fair opportunities in this nation They still exist today eight five five seven five two forty eight forty two It's a Motown Monday.

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And Reggie, I'm so thankful and happy to have you on.

We're gonna do a deep dive, man.

And so our phone lines are open as always.

Fifty years after the Kerner Commission report, Reggie, the nation is still grappling with many of the same issues.

I said we were going to move beyond 1968.

This is 2018.

It points out that many of the same things that impact, let me do this, after intense.

Mid to late 1960s urban riding president Linda B Johnson commissioned the National Advisory Commission on civil rights disorder generally known as the current commission to study the causes of riots and to propose solutions their report issued in March 1968 argued that the riots were caused in large part by poor neighborhood conditions and limited labor market options facing black Americans as a consequence of racism and rampant discrimination

in housing and labor markets the current report and revamped the report 1968 and it said these excuse me in 2018 these factors underlie the development and maintenance of the northern black ghettos where residents endured extreme segregation limited housing choices concentrated poverty and poor schools reggie 2018

We talked about the segregation.

They talked about the segregated schools in 1968, Reggie.

We are more segregated now in the school systems than we were then.

Many of the neighborhoods that blacks live in today are impoverished and clearly food deserts and crime.

permeates those communities, very few commerce, very little commerce, if anything is taking place.

This is in the North, Reggie, not the South.

So even today, you know, all these years later, blacks are struggling, many struggling to feed their families in schools that, you know, cannot or are not educating children.

not solely because the schools don't have the capacity to, but because of all of the social ills that impact and affect these families on a daily basis.

Then you bring in Donald Trump and all of those people who say, you know, we've got to do away with affirmative action.

Reggie, they just killed affirmative action.

What, two years ago?

2023.

Why?

Because people said, well, it's been enough already.

You know, they've had enough.

Never mind for 300, 400 years.

Blacks would deny equal access and opportunities in this country.

You know, from the vaccine came into existence in 19.

Early

1970s,

early 1970s.

And so they wiped that away because some.

Angry whites said you're discriminating against us and There should be no discrimination.

It's it's it's wrong But those same people didn't open their mouths for 400 years of discrimination against blacks, but here it is in 1970s when you know affirmative actions wiped with diversity equity and inclusion where the misconception of many whites

is that black people were benefiting from diversity, equity, and inclusion, when if you look at the shared numbers, white women, number one, beneficiaries of diversity, equity, and inclusion, military veterans, Hispanics, and others, blacks, weighed down the list of people who benefited from diversity, equity, and inclusion, but this misconception of people who don't know.

And I think one of the reasons Reggie is so important to have you on is your historian.

You know, the real history, the stuff that they're being fed is not the history.

It's not the truth.

You say what?

Yeah, absolutely.

Earl, you know, one of the interesting things that I found is not only, you know, the white women benefit most from DE and our policies, but

also

as well, you know, people forget that.

Back in the late 60s, women were not as likely to work as they are nowadays.

A lot of women, particularly married women, were not out in the workforce.

That changed dramatically after affirmative action took place.

A lot of women went into the workforce, significantly larger number of white women in particular.

Most black women were working because of economic necessity.

White women were typically well taken care of because their husbands were making good wages and so they didn't have to work.

But many of those women decided to go into the workforce in the early 1970s as a result of affirmative action.

And we don't like to acknowledge that white people benefited tremendously from those policies.

Likewise with DE and I, if you see the changes in the workforce in many places around the country, you'll see that the most dramatic change has been the number of women.

that are in positions that they weren't in prior to these efforts for diversity, equity, and inclusion.

So that's been a big change that people need to be aware of.

And I think the people that are against these policies are people that are claiming, somehow claiming that these policies discriminate against white people.

I don't know how you can say it's discriminating against white people when white women are clearly the beneficiaries of it.

Are you saying it's...

you know, discriminatory against white men, it doesn't mean that people are, you know, getting jobs that they don't deserve, that they're unqualified for.

That's another argument people make.

DEI is not about putting unqualified people in positions.

What it's about clearly is that we need to open up doors of opportunity for everybody to have access to jobs that we didn't have before.

You know, Reggie, all people are asking is to be treated equitably.

in a nation that claims to be that.

Nobody's asking for special treatment.

People are asking to be treated equally.

And why is that such a foreign conversation, Reggie?

In a nation that claims to be God-fearing, that claims to be founded under the Judeo-Christian ethic.

And so if that bothers people so much

They don't, you know, want to address what come on.

Many people know is the truth.

You know, I'm looking at Tony.

I think I remember Mandela Barnes on the text talking about the quiet racism of Wisconsin.

People would say one thing to his face and treat him very differently behind his back.

I think he said he preferred the racism of the South because it was.

a clearer and easier to identify.

Reggie, you traveled the state of Wisconsin.

You've been in those places, you've been in those areas where there are no blacks, and you've had conversations with people in the state of Wisconsin about issues dealing with race.

What did you find out in your travels?

Yeah, absolutely, Earl.

I've traveled to well over 50 communities around the state of Wisconsin.

from the, you know, the north, south, east and west.

And I've heard from people in those communities who've invited me to come to those places multiple times that they are, you know, really ashamed of the conditions in the state as far as racism goes.

They're very open and honest about these things being problems, and they want people like me to come in and talk to them about how it got to be this way.

And so I provide historical context for how these things have gotten to be so normal in the state of Wisconsin.

You know, Reggie, that normal in the state of Wisconsin, but they still persist and exist in the North, in the South, everywhere.

One of the reasons why, Reggie, I look at young people,

in our communities and in a global technological society make no mistake about it.

Employment and quality employment is more difficult than it's ever been.

And so it's critically important that these barriers that existed and continue to exist today be pointed out.

And it shouldn't make people feel angry or mad.

It should be especially when when we claim to be the greatest nation on earth If you know, you don't have to feel bad about slavery Reggie if you weren't around during that time You didn't do it Maybe your father's and your father's didn't do it But to dismiss it Reggie and say, you know, well, you know, that was a long time ago

and not see vestiges of it that still exist today.

Reggie, are there vestiges of racism that still exist today in discriminatory practices that impact and affect the lives of people of color?

Absolutely.

We've never broken that.

you know, the pathway of racism being embedded into institutions in our country.

It's built into institutions and we see the same outcomes year after year, decade after decade.

And, you know, I hear from a lot of people, you know, that was a long time ago, Reggie.

You know, why were we still talking about stuff from so long ago, slavery and things of nature?

I said, well, the Constitution was written a long time ago, but people never get tired of talking about the Constitution.

They never get tired of talking about the founding fathers.

That was a long time ago.

time ago as well.

So, you know, the past helps us get to where we are today.

You know, we're all a product of our lived experiences.

And as a nation, America is a product of its lived experiences.

And America has never truly dealt with some of these problems.

And I'd like to just add one more piece of evidence for your audience, Earl.

I think it's critically important.

So, you know, when we talk about the

current commission report, what people don't realize is that commission hired a group of social scientists in 1967 to actually look at, you know, what was causing this civil unrest across the country.

And they issued a report that was pretty much hidden and rejected by the current commission report because it hit a little bit too hard.

And the title of that report was the harvest of American racism, the political meaning of violence in the summer of 1967.

that report came out before the report of the National Advisory Commission on Simple Disorders.

And it was a much more hard-hitting report.

These social scientists issued this report.

And, you know, the commission members were really not happy with it, with the details of what these people shared.

And so it's really important, I think, for people to read both reports.

I recommend the Harvest of American Racism, the Political Meaning of Violence in the summer of 1967, that people read

that along with the national uh reported national advisory commission on some of this order so the kerner commission uh issued you know two reports one which was hidden for 50 years this the harvest of american racism was hidden from the public for 50 years literally girl and that is a very hard hitting report and gets to the heart of how racism is so embedded in you know

uh, so many things within American society and causes this harm, uh, to the black community.

Eight, but, but, but as Dr. King said, it doesn't only hurt the person who's being discriminated against.

It also hurts the person who's doing the discriminating eight, five, five, seven, five, two, 48, 42, uh, is the number.

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But I just want to, we're gonna have this conversation going into the next hour, so.

Let's get to the phone lines.

Let's go to Brendan from New Jersey.

Good morning to you, Brendan.

You say what?

Yeah, I'd like to just kind of call out the like you were saying me and the, you know, the first of all, the kids in school that were learning about slavery, they didn't have a problem with it.

It was their parents.

I mean, it's just the whole MAGA movement is just a bunch of pissed off white people.

As far as I'm concerned, yeah, they did get a small part of the African American community in there.

There were some Latinos that voted for them, but they're all licking their wounds now.

And the other thing you brought up was the Christian Judea thing.

Their new uniform in the press room is hanging across in front of whatever they're wearing.

uh like they're using you know christ to some kind of social shield for their lives in their bs this idiot is driving around doing laps at the Daytona 500 in limousine while the people in kentucky and west virginia are floating uh in river water okay let's see how quick chimpy the clown can get his shit together to excuse my friends uh to to uh give these people help

You know, he complained about the FEMA and he complained about all this stuff.

Well, now we need FEMA and let's see how quickly he can get those people in Kentucky.

Hey, Brendan, thank you very much for the call.

You know, you know, Donald Trump and MAGA and what they represent certainly is, you know, to me that they certainly represent some of those things that occurred.

Many years ago and and they stand up and they and they push and say well whites are being discriminated against You know, but it's it's it's big in the mag of people man Let's go to Tom from LA.

Good morning to your time.

You say what?

Good morning, Earl.

Good morning, Reggie and party you're often you're killing it.

Um, I want to give a perspective from just a white guy from Wisconsin that grew up in the northwestern part of Wisconsin

And that is when I was young, and I think it's the same way today.

People in those parts don't think that they're racist, and they don't understand that racism is intertwined into the fabric of our society, and it's interwoven into the fabric of our society.

But what they think is because they put the Green Bay Packer football players who are mostly black,

because they put them on a higher pedestal in some ways, because we know in Wisconsin that the Packers are one of the greatest things, that for some reason they can go into denial about the fact that they're racist, or they can go into denial about the fact that there is any racism.

And I just think that's something, maybe Reggie can rip down a little bit or something, but I know when I live in Green Bay,

people that were white were kind of bowing to the knees of some of the black men that were actually football players.

And I just think there's a part of that that really needs to be uncovered because not everybody in Milwaukee, and they can forget about Milwaukee because it's in the southern part of the state, but everybody in Milwaukee is not a Green Bay Packer football player.

Um, you know, I have friends that have that were black and that would, you know, when they go out to maybe, um, cat around, they would, you know, say that they were a Green Bay player to a girl, white girl or something like that, but, uh, or to a black girl.

Um, but.

You know, that was that's part of this that I think there's this denial.

Hey, Tom.

Hey,

Tom.

This

is bigger than northern Wisconsin is bigger than the state of Wisconsin because it exists whether it's in Wisconsin, Michigan.

You know, any part of this nation, it's not just rural.

It's in the northern parts as well.

Racism is not predicated on whether or not it's somebody who lives in the rural area.

It's bigger than that.

And it's more inclusive than that.

Reggie, is it safe to say that?

Yeah, absolutely.

Racism does not have any geographical boundaries.

And as I've traveled to Green Bay myself to do speaking engagements and travel to places like Warsaw, I agree with the caller.

because what people there seem to think they know about Black people is based on the fact that, well, you know, I like those Black guys that play for the Packers, so I can't be racist.

I like, you know, Sterling Sharp or Devanti Adams or, you know, pick any Packer, you know, legend throughout the years.

But what people don't understand in Wisconsin, Earl, is that 61% of Black people in the state live in the city of Milwaukee.

but very sparsely spread throughout the rest of the state.

Hold that thought.

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Are you still writing for The Independent?

Occasionally, Earl, I've been focusing most of my writing recently on a book that I'm writing about the history of segregation in Milwaukee.

I'm hoping to complete this summer.

That's been the main focus of my writing.

You know, I haven't written as much for the independent,

you know, educator, speaker, award-winning in all those different areas.

You know, Reggie, I know that the conversation that we're having, you know, is a hard one for some people to swallow.

But, you know, it's a conversation that has to be had.

And when people continue to be hurt.

because of these practices, generationally, Reggie.

And as I look inside of you or my community, and we watch what is taking place, and people can say, well, those people are criminals, and all they want to do is commit crimes.

People cry out for more police in our neighborhoods and in our communities.

And just like the Kerner report, had there been equal opportunities for people when people Reggie at their witch in and they don't see any way out in the wealthiest nation on earth.

Come on, man.

This is not Cuba.

This is America.

and you watch a man like Donald Trump and, and Elon Musk and they're doing things to make things even more difficult for people who struggle in this society when they are getting ready to pull a safety net from beneath the people who need it the most.

They're getting ready to do this and yet.

in the face of all of those things, Calvin, excuse me, Reggie, that there just is not any hue and outcry enough for people to address the wrong man.

Why is it?

Why is it not something that should be discussed when we're talking about this nation and it not dealing fairly?

with American citizens Reggie who are born in this nation like all other citizens who Supposedly have the same citizenship rights But in the face of that we see that these things that exist That that don't give us equal opportunities and equal access and Yet people are silent on that

I get it from 1940 and 30s and 50s and 60s Reggie, but I don't get it in 2025.

It's not acceptable.

And so people aren't willing to have the discussion and the conversations.

Why?

Why are people not willing to have that conversation?

Well, I think there are a couple of factors, Earl.

I think number one on that list is that.

you know, some of these things from a historical past are very embarrassing for me Americans to hear things that happen that they were told the exact opposite happened.

And that's really hard for people to digest, Earl.

There's a mythology of America being the land of opportunity, but there's another side of the coin that shows when you listen to the voice of people of color that this hasn't been the land of opportunity for us consistently.

And people don't want to hear that.

People think that that is, you know, demeaning the country, being in unpatriotic things at nature.

And it scares people to hear those things.

And I think secondarily, Earl, it feeds into this idea that, you know what, we've done enough for those people.

Why are they still asking for more?

And the understanding from our communities that, listen, what you've given us hasn't been enough because doors of opportunity is still shut.

And I take great deal of solace, Earl, in reading some local scholarship done by the UW Milwaukee Center for Economic Development report that they issued in April of last year called the Index of African American Well-being in the Nation's Largest Metropolitan Areas, 2024 edition.

And this hard-hitting report by Mark Levine's group there at UW Milwaukee, I think it's something that everybody should read.

It gives you a clear indication that Milwaukee in particular is a place that has gone backwards in terms of progress when it comes to many of these factors.

And the causes for that are in this report.

Can I read you just a little bit of what the report

says?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

It says, on firstly, all key indicators of Black community well-being.

Milwaukee ranks at or near the bottom when ranked against the large metropolitan areas.

Moreover, Black Milwaukee is generally worse off the day than it was 40 or 50 years ago.

Milwaukee ranks by a clear margin at the bottom of all metro areas examined on the composite index of African-American well-being.

Most disturbingly,

This poor performance is consistent on almost all the indicators for which we collected data to construct the index.

Milwaukee ranked dead last on the composite index of African American well-being on 20 of the 44 individual indicators making up the index Milwaukee ranked 48th or worse.

On 14 indicators Milwaukee ranked last or next to last by far the worst performance of any of the metro areas in the index.

Milwaukee continues opposed to lowest black meaning household income, the highest black poverty rate, the lowest percentage of African Americans holding a college degree or higher, and the widest racial disparities among 50 largest metro areas in income poverty, education attainment, and prime working age male employment.

And of course, Milwaukee continues to register the highest black non-Hispanic white residential segregation rate among the metro areas.

This is in no way to sugarcoat the numbers.

Milwaukee remains firmly ensconced as a nation's lowest ranked large metro area in African-American well-being.

And, you know, if you read this report and you see that Milwaukee is dead last in many of these indicators, Earl, it explains a lot about

what we see happening in our community on a regular basis.

I don't think people clearly understand the challenges that we face here in Milwaukee.

You know Reggie, as somebody who's in our community, as somebody who volunteers this time as much as I do, and who works, and who is doing all that he can, and he sees this poverty, and he sees this pain.

that children read you.

You see it in children.

Children who at four or five years old, you know, don't know, children up to eight, 10 years old, but something happens when they get to be about 12, 13, 14 years old.

They start realizing, looking around and seeing that things are different for them.

And so they get lost.

That people wonder why kids aren't learning well the schools aren't doing your you're an educator that well the kids the kids aren't learning because the schools can't teach them properly well, it's hard Before a young person ready to think about being educated when they're hungry in the morning The people in our community who aren't eating properly

who are moving from place to place.

They carry their belongings in black paper bags.

I mean, plastic bags.

And so they're moving their transients, families, women and children.

And this permeates our community.

And they wonder why so many young people turn to violence, Reggie.

They wonder why so many young people only see one way out.

And so,

The answer can't be more police, which is what the refrain is, unfortunately, from many in the white communities, not just across the city of Milwaukee or the state or the nation.

It's always more police, more police.

Well, you know what?

You're not going to ever have enough police to address the issues that happen when people are not given fair opportunity and an opportunity in this nation, Reggie.

Yeah, I completely agree, Earl.

You know, we have to understand the you know, the society that these children are coming from.

I was a teacher in Milwaukee public schools for eight years and I can attest to everything you say it.

I had students who came to the school angry because they were hungry because they hadn't eaten, you know.

Sometimes I had students that would come and tell me they hadn't eaten all weekend because their families, you know, were homeless.

I had a student in particular, I remember, who came to school exceptionally angry on a Monday morning.

And all of the teachers were very upset by this kid being disrespectful.

And they asked me to talk to this boy.

And I had a relationship with this kid.

He had been my student.

And so when I talked to him, he said, Mr. Jackson, we were kicked out of our house on Friday.

We've been living in our car all weekend.

And we haven't had anything to eat other than some chips from the gas station.

And so how can you expect a kid in that situation, Earl, to come to school eager to learn on a Monday morning when he's been homeless and doesn't know where he's going to go and live at the end of the school day that day?

These are things that some of our kids deal with on a perpetual basis.

And when we talk about how poorly MPS is doing, we have, as you said, a transient population of students.

uh, you know, no other school district in Wisconsin is dealing with, you know, the, uh, the demographics of the students that NPS has a transient population.

People are moving constantly.

People are being, you know, evicted from their homes and apartments,

uh,

regularly

walking.

How much of this do you think, uh, is because people are segregated in the state and, and they don't get to see black people and on a daily basis, sometimes not even in a month.

And so they draw conclusions predicated on things they hear on Fox News and other places.

And they think that black people are criminals and all these kinds of things because they're not around black people.

We only make up six percent of the population.

There clearly is not enough of us to go around where people who live in this state get to see us.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, I would ask often be asked by people.

You know, people say, Reggie, you know, I wish I had a black friend to talk to about some of these issues.

And I would always joke that there's not enough of us to go around for every white person to have a black friend.

Reggie, hold the phone.

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And I will say this before we go to the phone lines.

You know, it's Black History Month, Reggie.

And so, you know, this nation has...

seeing fit to create, you know, Carter U. Whitson is the author of, you know, Black History and programming and, and certainly, you know, we now have that.

And so when we have these conversations, you know, I guess it is.

Black History Month, so people kind of expect to have dialogue and conversation about this, Reggie, you know, once a year.

But that's the problem, right?

It's not, it shouldn't be a Black History Month because the history of Black people in this nation, that's from its inception.

But if you can't pick out one month and say, well, this is the month that we're going to add these conversations, it's one of the reasons why we can't move forward, in my opinion.

What do you think?

Well, if you look back at the history of Black History Month, Earl, it started as Negro History Week back in 1926.

Carter G. Woodson.

Harvard train historian said, listen, it's not about black history.

It's about blacks in history.

We need to include the stories of black people as they have lived throughout American history.

We were some of the first people in this country, Earl.

We've been here longer than many white ethnic groups.

And we've been a part of the fabric of this country's history.

And so he chose that week to have scholars from around the country.

you know, dig up evidence of our contributions to American society and to celebrate it.

And eventually by 1976, it became a Black History Month officially.

It had been celebrated as a month-long celebration since 1968.

And so I think it's important that we understand that, you know, just because it's Black History Month, that doesn't mean that we can't study this history every other month as well.

Dr. Woodson thought that, you know, eventually, if we provided enough evidence of our contributions, this would become part of the normal course of education in this country that everybody would learn about our contributions in their schooling, you know, K through 12 schools.

But unfortunately, here we are all these years later, and now people want to erase that history and do the exact opposite of what Dr. Woodson wanted.

And we're fighting, you know, to see this being taught in schools.

And I could tell people, Earl, listen, most of this stuff,

is not being taught in school, very little of it is.

And if you look at the state curriculum for social studies, you'll find that it's not required part of education for anybody in the state of Wisconsin to learn these things in a way that many people think.

People think this is being forced down the throats of our children, but it really isn't.

And I've worked with a lot of school districts around the state, Earl, in Milwaukee, in Sherwood, Greendale, Wauwatosa, Racine, Kenosha, La Crosse,

uh, you know, school districts and I've talked to people and I've seen clearly that there's a thirst for understanding of this history, not just in February, but year round.

They want to learn this history, Earl.

All right.

Let's go to Earl from Tulsa.

Good morning to you, Earl.

You say what?

The earlier air, girl.

All right.

Hello.

Yes, sir.

Go ahead.

Hey, there.

Oh, okay.

Happy Motel Monday.

Yes, sir.

And happy Black American History Month.

Earlier you spoke about Judeo-Christian values, but personally I believe I can remember clearly a relative of mine recently saying that black folks don't share those same Judeo-Christian values, which tells me that they're being taught this from the pulpit as well as elsewhere.

And when talking about the current socioeconomic situation of black folks, a lot of times we hear things have gotten better, but it hasn't improved nearly as much as it has for white counterparts.

And then what I also hear often is that quote unquote, they did it to themselves when speaking about these situations.

But we see it from generation to generation.

And I think this is because as young people go from public schools and playgrounds to the workforce and college, they face competition.

And we revert back to our formative beliefs and for white folks.

Those beliefs are that black people are naturally inferior, untrustworthy, violent, on and on and on, and it gives us an excuse to circle our wagons and basically revert back to looking out for our own, which is why affirmative action laws were passed and why employers put diversity, equity, inclusion in because they saw that this is not healthy for the for the maturity and the evolution of our country.

But that 2043 number is looming large and they're seeing that coming.

And that's why you're seeing a lot of this back, this drawback, pullback kind of thing.

As far as Tom and the Packers, what I'll say about that is that let's not forget that the Packers are entertainers.

And we, the white people, again, well, we've always allowed black folks to entertain us, you know, music, sports, dancing, movies.

But I also remember now the kid even, but I remember how James Lawson was treated when he was accused of improprieties.

They forgot all about the fact that he was a superhero on the gridiron.

And that a lot of black athletes considered Wisconsin to be basically Siberia for sports for this same kind of reason.

Karim Abdul-Jabbar went through the same experience in Milwaukee in the 70s.

And lastly, not to steal words of others, but James Baldwin once said, ignorance allied with power is the most ferocious enemy justice can have.

And I'll add that I believe the ignorance he spoke was willful.

And that's we the white people having willful ignorance.

And I'll hear it from your audience members every day.

and that I believe that we'll continue to ask the dumbest question there can be.

This allows for it is what do they want?

What do they want?

And this is really truly a symptom of a nation that refuses to listen.

Hey, Eric,

thank

you.

Thank you.

Thank you very much for those really important words.

I really appreciate it.

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All right, welcome back to Motown Monday on the Earl Ingram Show. As always, you can join us at 855-752-4842. 855-752-4842. You can text us at that same number. My guest is a Reggie Jackson Award-winning journalist, writer, author, speaker. And so we're gonna continue the conversation. Before we go back to the phone lines, James says D-E-I.

is premised on misunderstood reasoning, that certain perceived discriminated subgroups in America need a lift up. Whenever help subsidies are given to one special group in a free society, the upheld group will rise up and react with equal negativity. You want to respond to that, Reggie?

Well, thanks James for his opinion. I completely disagree. You know, I did diversity and inclusion training for about 20 years and I don't believe that it's based on misunderstood reasoning or it's about giving, you know, subgroups a lift up. It's about providing an even playing field. Earl, that's what it's about. It's providing access to people who've been left out of the rooms where decisions are made.

who've been left out of access to things that most Americans take for granted. That's what DE&I is about. It's not about providing help or subsidies to any special groups, as he says. I completely disagree with him. And I think that he needs to talk to people that do DE&I training to get a clear understanding of what the work is about. He obviously hasn't spoken to anyone that does any of that training.

855-752-4842. Let's go to Mike from Kenosha. Hey, good morning to you, Mike. Thank you very much for the call. You say what? Happy Motown Monday. Thanks for taking my call. It was cold, cold Monday morning. Yes, sir. And you know, Mike, this is a conversation that people get uncomfortable with, but the conversation's got to be had, man.

Got to be had and we have to have it on a regular basis not only on the air but around the coffee table around kitchen table It is highly effective when it reaches, you know our locality if you will, but you know, I'm gonna come out and I agree with everything y'all have been talking about this morning, but you know racism Has become profitable

Yeah, it conflict is profitable our media is using it as a divide-and-conquer weapon weaponizing against the we the peep so we're not You know, we're focused on the shiny object so to speak as we talked about before more so than you know any real conversation on specific tax policy for example In until Now we have a foreign actor, you know, Russia has a whole military scheme

of disinformation, misinformation. We know, we've been told by all of our security agencies that our social media is being dominated by bad actors, if you will, driving up conflict. And racism is as big of a conflict item as I can think of. But I have to go here, and that is, you know, here in America, we have the highest prison population by far.

We have made conflict in racism a profit center, quite out loud. And until we look at the profit created by conflict, whether it's domestic or whether it be, you know, military, there's something wrong with a system that celebrates high profit.

in for the military or the prison industrial complex. It doesn't fit in my that that people continue to be exposed to profit centers and and being imprisoned and much less to all the divide and conquer. So the last thing I like to say is until we get our head straight and look at the profit of

conflict in racism and take as much as we can out of it. Unfortunately, cash is king. Well, you know, Mike, Mike, you are a fair guy. I've listened to you more than enough. You're more than than most. You're a fair guy. You're certainly willing to speak the truth about things. So do you ever think that there'll ever be a time?

when we'll be able to get past this, that in this nation, we'll get, turn your radio down, that we'll be able to get past this bigotry and racism? I was more optimistic before than I am now. America's taken a big backward step. Yes.

recently. And a lot of the things I never ever thought would be possible are knocking at our front door. And I'm not trying to be hyperbolic here. But we see this divide and conquer. We see the attack on Muslims or brown skin. We see it on Indigenous people. We see it on our Native American friends. We see it with our Mexican, Latino.

friends and neighbors, we see it everywhere we go. It seems to be them against us, and quite frankly, until Jesus comes down. And the Sermon on the Mount is brought back into our conscience of what it takes to be accepted in heaven for those Christians in the hyper-religion era that we'll also find ourselves in.

You know, we gotta start walking the walk. Right now, America's kind of lost its way. It breaks my heart. It doesn't have to be this way. Hey, Mike, thank you very much for the call. You know, Reggie, he just summed up, you know, what we're dealing with, man. Okay? America has taken a backward step. And Donald Trump stands before the world and says, that's the way we want it, right? The American people, he speaks...

of the American people and he leaves people of color out, Reggie. And he's got an army of people who agree with him, even though they know what he's talking about is based and predicated on racism and bigotry. But yet, even when you've got congressmen and senators, Reggie, I understand rank-and-file Americans. But when you've got elected officials,

who won't say anything about this. Because they're in a position, Reggie, that their policies can make things even worse. And so, yes, it's going backwards. But people who aren't willing to speak out about it, well, I do understand why, Reggie. Again, they feel, many of them apparently feel,

embarrassed by what's transpired or transpiring. Yeah, I like to respectfully disagree with one of the things that Mike said. Actually, the first thing he said that racism is becoming profitable. Racism has always been profitable, Earl. Listen, racism allowed people from England, France, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese to literally steal land across the globe. It was very profitable with him.

racism was profitable in terms of stealing 15 million people from the continent of Africa and bringing them to these colonies that Europeans created in the Americas. It was profitable, so profitable that it lasted for hundreds and hundreds of years. So racism then all of a sudden become profitable recently with the prison system and things of that nature. It's always been embedded in the system to be profitable.

As we look at the current state affairs, people say we're moving backwards. I don't think that we're necessarily moving backwards as much as we're kind of maintaining the pace that we've always had in terms of these things. Listen, racism has never gone away. We've gotten rid of some of the vestiges of racism by law.

some of the policies, you know, which outlawed, you know, mixed marriage. We got rid of by Supreme Court in 1967. You know, the Voting Rights Act in 1965 did away with, you know, discrimination and voting rights. But, you know, that we are dealing with things that we've always dealt with in America. Girl, these are not new things. They may look new to some people who are uninformed about our history, but I don't think that we're necessarily moving backwards as much as we're, you know, holding steady.

So Reggie, do you think that because of the issues that rural America is dealing with, i.e. some of the very same things that people in urban America are dealing with, lacks of opportunity, you know, food deserts, communities that have been disenfranchised because

business has left their communities. You know, you've been there, you've traveled to those places, you've spoken with those people. And do you think that in many instances, it's easy to blame? Because I've heard this conversation that many people in rural America think that the Democrats spend more time dealing with the grievance people, i.e. people of color, you know, LBGTQ.

and left rural, you know, Americans out. And they chose, you know, the urban grievance people over rural America. Your thoughts on that? You were there, you spent many, you know, many hours and days and weeks in rural America. Your thoughts on that, on maybe that belief?

I think the term rural America is euphemism for white people, Earl. And as if there are no people of color in those rural communities. Listen, we have to understand that what these rural communities are dealing with across the state of Wisconsin and the nation.

is basically the same thing that Black people have been dealing with for most of our time in this country. You know, we've been in situations where we've seen, you know, jobs disappear. And when jobs disappear in the Black community, people say, we're just lazy. We don't want to work. No one ever says that when jobs disappear in these small rural communities, the white people are negatively impacted. They never say, oh, white people are just lazy. They don't want to work. We don't have any control over the jobs disappearing, Earl.

But we're blamed for it, and white people are just, you know, victimized by it. But we're never supposedly victimized by jobs going away. I mean, black people came to Milwaukee for good, high-quality jobs, and the jobs just started to go away. We didn't make Pabst go away. We didn't make Schlitz or A.O. Smith or a Harneshvig or any of these companies disappear. We were the victims of the jobs disappearing. And somehow, when those things happen to white people, they don't, they're not blamed for it, Earl.

And we talk about, you know, rural America and the Democratic Party is, you know, rejected rural America. I think that's just foolishness. And I think it's coded language. Listen, coded language doesn't work with me, Earl, because I figured out the code. I've broken the code. I know what they're saying. That's the way of pandering to white people to make them feel like they're victims of something. But you're victims of the same thing that we've been victims of throughout our history.

in this country. You know, Reggie, I would say this. It's more than frustrating to me to constantly hear that, you know, again, the Democrats turned away from rural America. And as you stated, rural America is not just white. If you in the South, many, many blacks still live in rural America.

and yet nobody's talking about them. The real issue here is that the people who have created these problems, Reggie, in many of these areas happen to have an R behind their name. And so you don't get out of it by voting for the very people who have done everything within their power to hurt both blacks and whites, poor blacks and whites.

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Reggie, let me do this.

Let me read this text and then we'll bring you back on.

It's bizarre, right?

Because the white people pull stereotypical black people.

gangs, thieves, thugs.

But if you suggest that stuff done during the Reagan era, our white black people are low income.

And let me see what else he says, resort to things outlined early.

And that's why they think the few who commit those crimes are the whole.

You know, we do know, Reggie, that one of the reasons you see it on.

you know, these, as people run for office, we saw what happened with Mandela Barnes.

We saw they tried it out, you know, the Willie Horton commercials, or the Willie Horton commercials for Mandela Barnes.

We saw them tried it out to Kamala Harris.

We see them doing the exact same thing right now in the state Supreme Court.

That stuff resonates with people.

with whites who just want to believe that blacks are criminals and that we're coming to their neighborhoods.

There's one commercial that I was watching recently where it talked about this one guy who was released from prison.

And guess what?

He's coming to your neighborhood.

He's coming to your house next.

And this woman who's running for Supreme Court, she let him out.

Your next your families and they buy into that man.

Yeah, you know, they buy into it early because all of us in America have been bombarded with this foolishness for so many decades that we can't see straight.

We don't know otherwise.

You know, I tell people one of the greatest tools of misinformation is Hollywood.

You know, we have all of these cop shows that we've been watching for decades in America that are perpetuating these images of black people as criminals.

And we get fed this information so often that we don't understand that it's not accurate, Earl.

And so because of that, you know, I tell people, I call those shows copraganda.

You know, the cops are always good guys and black people are always bad guys.

You know, they're always irrational people doing irrational things.

And, you know, we need to be protected from these people.

And so I told people, I stopped watching law and order.

Years and years ago because I got so tired of just being fed stuff that was just so inaccurate and so racist in my opinion That I can't watch American cop shows any of them.

I don't care what show you pick I can't watch them anymore Because I know that they're a tool of disinformation They're designed to scare people into believing that you know We need to spend billions of dollars a year on prisons instead of spending billions of dollars a year on improving our education system

you know, spending money to improve, you know, access to economic opportunities, that's what we need to be spending money.

You know, when I hear about, you know, this attempt by Elon Musk and his group of shady characters who, you know,

find, you know,

so-called- Yeah, yeah, thugs.

Yeah, you know, they're supposedly, you know, finding ways of making the government more efficient.

Well, we should start with understanding who is most in need in this country.

and stop cutting off funds for organizations that need funding.

I mean, they're closing head start programs around the country, Earl, because they're afraid of funding going away.

Yeah, here we are.

Here we are spending billions of dollars, giving billions of dollars to Elon Musk companies to send rockets up into space for no apparent reason.

And, you know, spending billions of dollars on our US military, even though there's no country that's threatening us right now, literally.

We're spending billions of dollars every year continuing to feed this military machine that we've been told we're in such danger from these other countries.

Listen, Earl, for the last 50 years of my life, I've been told that Russia is the enemy, but now we have a president who is not only appearing to be friendly with Russia, but appears to be helping Russia to win its war against Ukraine.

And we're spending, you know, billions of dollars around the world on our military.

And we're ignoring people right here at home.

You know, a lot of these people that are aggrieved are not understanding that, you know, they're being punished by people not giving access to programs and opportunities in their communities because we're spending money on stuff that I think is just ridiculously stupid.

Well, let's do this.

Let's squeeze Cam in quickly.

Cam, you say what quickly?

Hello, gentlemen.

Um, yeah, so I'm, I'm incredibly white myself.

I am so white that I almost glow in the dark.

Um, I do try to have that conversation about the racial disparity and give small history lessons as much as I can, like in the comment section about the Reagan stuff.

Um, what I think ends up being missed for a lot of the older generations and then what gets taught from them to the younger ones is that why

Do people go out and buy iPhones and get their nails quote unquote did because they they try to push the envelope that they're wasting money and irresponsibly when it's like you just try to get by man.

Hey, Cam.

Thank you very much.

Hey, Reggie.

Thank you as always.

I will see you again next Monday.

OK,

thank you.

I appreciate the opportunity.

Yeah.

Thank everybody who made the show go up next.

Jane, Matt, Nair, Greg, Bob, Matt, Nair on there.

Cardi, thank you, man.

Appreciate to see you guys on tomorrow.

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