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I'm Brian noon and glad you're here.

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And if you do call, be nice to Parker.

It's Friday.

The young boy needs needs happiness.

He couldn't even put on a regular shirt.

Today's just wearing an undershirt.

It's an American Eagle shirt.

Oh, is it

just a white shirt?

Yeah, and I'm wearing

pink.

Pink pants.

Wow.

Look at you.

Very

stylish.

This

fashion statement.

Look at that drip.

Oh, I got drip Brian.

I know you got drip Parker.

There's no doubt about it.

I've been calling you a drip since I met you.

Yeah, I don't know what that meant.

All right, well, it is Friday.

This is exciting.

Most of us, or a lot of folks, I don't know if most, a lot of folks have Monday off for Memorial Day.

And so instead of going to work, they'll sleep late to a barbecue.

Hopefully they'll take a couple seconds to realize why they have the day off.

That would

be a good day.

And can we also, this every year, this gets to me.

And I don't know why.

I don't know why.

I mean, I'm not a veteran.

I didn't lose anybody in the war, but I'm a stickler for the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day.

And there's a huge difference.

Veterans Day honors all veterans, living, dead, everything.

Memorial Day is just to...

pay tribute to the men and women who died in service to this country.

There is a big difference.

And I think even veterans, and veterans, I'd love to hear from you if this is true.

You don't want, you don't want it confused either.

But people either, you know, because they're so, they're so worried about posting something on social media to virtue signal that, oh, look, we care about our veterans, that they conflate the two and then

they get all they get all snippy when you correct them and go listen and that the correction isn't to say veterans don't matter right because they do but this is this is a whole different thing.

And I don't know why it would be a social media thing and why anybody would be upset if you if you supported veterans or memorialized the fallen or if

you correct them.

They're like, well, what's the difference?

Don't you?

Well, I don't know.

Living veterans probably think there's a huge difference between being a living veteran and being somebody who died in war.

You know, here's the thing that I always tell people and I know we depend on a lot of technology.

Use Google.

Just use Google.

I mean, it will help you out so that you can find all of the mysteries of the world if you really need to know the differences.

Now, I would hope that some of us are smarter and we just know some of these things off the top of our heads.

I know we all have people in our life, though, that you could probably just say, use Google.

It will help you.

It's your friend.

Yeah.

It's not that hard.

And I didn't mean to.

Listen.

We're starting a Friday by chastising people.

But

before you go into the weekend, just remember.

Yeah, just Google it a little

bit.

Just just remember what the holiday is.

I think here's the thing, you know, and when it comes to like places like holidays like Memorial Day and Labor Day, I think the true meaning behind these holidays and these these particular moments in time get lost because all everybody thinks is I have a three day weekend and it's the unofficial kickoff to summer.

That's all people are thinking about.

You get the truth.

I'm guilty of it, too.

Of course.

My first thought is

Oh, we don't have to work on Monday.

Now, then I'll think about

why we don't

have to work on Monday.

And when Molly was in high school and played in the bands, every Memorial Day there was in our little town square, like in a lot of town squares, and we're going to cover towns all across the network.

There's these ceremonies on Monday.

In ours, it was the reading of the names of the local people who died in service to this country and the ringing of the bell and the flag raising and stuff.

And it was always very moving.

And you, it struck me every year that we went to this, how many people there were.

And I was

like, boy, I lived in a little town.

I didn't realize that that many, that many people not only had been, I mean, you always know there's a lot of veterans out there, but that had been killed in.

in service to the country.

I was like, wow.

All we're asking is for you to take a moment over this long three-day weekend and remember why you might actually have the day off.

Remember why you're actually celebrating.

And as you mentioned, we'll talk about some of the celebrations and moments that are gonna happen across the state.

But just remember, and if you don't really know the difference, educate yourself because we all need to do that at different times about different things.

And yes.

No, we don't want to chastise anybody, but just...

I like

chastising people.

I

like proving people wrong.

This is true.

I feel like we need to take time in our lives, all of us, at certain moments, to better educate ourselves and, you know, take that time to be like, hey, I don't really know why we do this, so maybe I should learn at some point.

And as you said, it's not like you have to take a six-hour master class.

No.

You do 30 seconds on the computer, you know.

It's amazing.

And

I am going to have...

I am going to have my flag out, whether it draws the ire of hardcore liberals or not.

That's the way it goes.

But I am

also looking forward to a little time off.

Of

course.

A Sunday where there's no Sunday scaries.

Right.

That's

always nice.

Yes, hopefully.

No Monday scaries.

Fingers crossed, anyway.

Well,

I mean, unless you're going to call us in for an emergency show, which is fine.

You know, let me know.

If the world goes more crazy on Sunday, we need to it.

Yes, Alicia, who we know is a veteran, she messages us all the time.

She says, yes, to us, Veterans Memorial Day is very different from Veterans Day.

I assumed that, but to be honest, I knew I wasn't wrong.

I wonder, as veterans, I wonder if sometimes they just get tired of explaining it to the rest of us.

Right?

I mean, I wonder if there comes a point in veterans lives where they're just like, you know what, I tried, never mind.

Because also, can I can I bring this up to since we're talking about this, we've started the show at a different note than that I think any of us thought we were going to do?

Do veterans ever get tired of people saying thank you for your service?

Because in some cases, I I don't know how many people actually are, but they think that's what they're supposed to say.

Right.

And, you know, while veterans have had an important job, they were,

you

know, I have no, this, me asking that is not shade on veterans.

I

think

everybody's clear on that.

But it's like, how many people say it just because they think they're supposed to say it?

Right.

And if you're a veteran and somebody finds out you're a veteran and they just say that, are you like, shut up?

Right.

Yeah.

Or do you just, well, thank you.

Because, you know,

We've seen how America treats its veterans, and it's not really with gratitude.

No, it's not

with just ignoring them and cutting their services and Just basically disdain.

Yeah

My husband is always one of those people who always says thank you and but he sincerely means it especially when he sees a veteran with a Vietnam vet hat on or a bumper sticker.

His dad was a Vietnam veteran and we lost him.

And they

got nothing.

They got nothing and yeah and we lost we lost his dad a few years ago to the ramifications of age and orange right which is not a story untold for Vietnam veterans and you know had lots of lung issues.

I ended up having to go through all of the process and the work over the years to actually get the benefits, because as you mentioned, they were treated so poorly when they came home, and those veterans missed out on a lot of medical help and mental health help.

And so we did lots of paperwork over the years to make sure that my father-in-law received some of the care, especially at the end that he deserved as a veteran, as all veterans in this country absolutely deserve.

Yeah.

I don't know.

It's interesting, but I don't know when.

I mean, at one point in this country, right?

And again, if you're a veteran listening this morning and you do want to chime in, we would actually love to hear from you.

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When did we quit honoring our veterans?

When did we quit honoring?

Vietnam was when it started.

Because World War II, you know, we beat...

we beat Hitler.

So everybody, you know, we saw, no, I mean, we saw the the way people were treated when we came home.

And there was the the VA was created and the my dad went to school on the GI Bill.

And there was, you know, there was a lot of that kind of stuff.

So I think after like I said, after World War Two, because then we got into Korea, and that's

where my

dad was.

And, you know, nobody was really sure why we were in Korea was a whole

big

thing.

And so

But it wasn't as bad as Vietnam, Vietnam, because everybody here had taken to the streets.

There were protests everywhere and veterans were being spit on and taunted and scorned when they came back.

And that was it.

And then there was that time, I think there was a public sentiment at some point, not for everybody, but the military used to be an alternative for some people rather than going to

jail.

Judges used to sentence you.

to you could either Parker you probably didn't didn't know this but that was a thing if you were a delinquent like yourself and you got into trouble the judge could say well you either go to jail or you join the army

yeah i've heard that before actually yeah

yeah and so that people people were like well these you know yeah it's criminals that are going into into

the army

services

which we know was not the

total case but it was no

i know that wasn't the whole case but

it was it was a perception that was held by most people that it wasn't it

it wasn't the kind of career you chose despite evidence to the contrary from all the men and women who chose the chose the military as a career.

So that's, you know,

Long way to answer your question.

I think it was Vietnam was when it started.

Well, if you're listening this morning, you are a veteran or you're somebody who's currently serving or you're even a family member.

Thank you for your service because you do something that the rest of us, some of us are never going to be brave enough to do.

So we appreciate all that you sacrifice.

Now, if you do want to honor some of these veterans over the course of the next few days, there are actually ceremonies happening all across the talk network.

If you are in Madison,

listening this morning on MDX.

This one's really cool.

The annual ceremony at the Wisconsin State Capitol is returning Monday morning at 10 a.m.

That's after a six year hiatus.

So if you want to be a part of that, you can be at the Capitol.

There's also gonna be an early morning ceremony that will take place at Forest Hill Cemetery.

That's at 8 a.m.

and then a sunset memory garden will feature the Avenue of Flags.

There's gonna be thousands of flags honoring veterans in Madison.

So that's always a really cool site to see.

There's also going to be some moments to honor the veterans.

There's going to be a Memorial Day parade.

I love a good parade.

I really, really do.

I always get excited about a parade.

That's at 9.30.

Starts at Wilson Park, ends at Owen Park.

If you're in Eau Claire, there's also going to be a formal ceremony that follows the parade at the bandshell at Owen Park.

And then they're going to have some cemetery ceremonies throughout the mid-morning as well.

But the festivities, you could say, because some of these are true celibates.

corporations put on by American legions, and that's going to happen across the state.

Yeah, the Hayward's got a lot of stuff happening.

Wisconsin Rapids has ceremonies going on.

Wausau is having a parade, but their parade is Saturday in downtown Wausau.

And then the Remembrance Service is Monday at 11 o'clock.

And then La Crosse has a parade on Memorial Day flag placements and a final tribute to be held at Riverside Park.

So everywhere along the network

is

doing things.

And if you're up early and you can

hit one of those.

It is a moving experience.

And it kind of highlights things.

Then you can go have your hamburgers and

your beer and

your brats.

Good way to remember why you're not off at work for some of you.

Take

a

nice nap.

When we come back, there is so much more.

We're just getting started.

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Now, more Daybreak with Brian and Jamie.

Thank you so much for joining us this morning on the Civic Media Network.

Hopefully you are having a great start to your Friday.

It is very bright.

It is very early, but we're here and we're going to persevere through so that we can get to the weekend.

My name is Jamie Martinson.

Yeah, Jamie, we're not going to get much sympathy.

We have two and a half hours before we get to the weekend.

So I think we'll be all right.

We did, though, get some text.

We were talking about Memorial Day and the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day and all the great remembrances and ceremonies that are going to be happening over the weekend.

And we got a text.

from Tom in New Berlin.

He says Navy vet tomorrow going to place flags at Woods Memorial and a special one for my dad at WWII vet.

Also thanks for bringing up this subject while you're you're welcome Tom everybody is everybody should be thinking about it and that's

Well, it's one of the reasons we get to have a holiday.

That's right.

And thank you very much for the text this morning.

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Important number because I think as we get into this next topic, we would like some opinion from our listeners.

Yeah, all 100% because this is...

Listen, we can all agree that sometimes things happen and they don't go our way.

Right.

And you can either accept it and let it go, or you can keep screaming about it and screaming about it, which is what Matthew and Annette Flynn are doing.

Parker, you go to the Brewers games all the time.

I've been to the Brewers games.

Do you buy tickets for the 50-50 raffle?

No, I don't.

I've never been a losing money kind of guy.

You went into radio.

That completely, that completely discounts your, your last statement.

Oh God.

Yeah.

I'm sorry

to burst your worldview.

But

anyway, maybe I know you've bought 50 50.

So if I give it it to charity, it's two bucks a ticket, right?

The people come around, they go, Oh, you buy this and then because you see the number on the scoreboard, what you can take

home.

It's

exciting.

So yeah, sometimes it's like 13 grand.

Well,

That's what it was when the Flynn's were at the game and this was this happened in May 19th.

So what appeals court has disagreed with these poor people because what happened was they were there and they were sitting in the outfield.

It sounds like they were in section 234 row 9 seat 9.

Why is that important?

It proves that she was at the game.

The scoreboard, however, was behind her, which is one of my only... It's most ballparks.

At AmFam, it's even harder, though.

In

a lot of spots, you don't get to see the huge jumbotron and

the big

scoreboard.

So anyway, that's neither here nor there.

That's a design flaw.

That's not up for argument here.

The argument is there's a rule that says if your number is called and they do it at the top of the seventh,

So that they call the number at the bottom of the six you have to the top of the seventh to get to the yes to get to the table Well, that's where the problem comes because she didn't see her number called right away Then she finds out it's her number,

huh?

And I don't know if that's the sound she made but it's

it's a good one.

Yes

because it was up to 13 grand

Yeah, that's a lot of money

imagine going to a game and leaving with $13,000.

Yes well

Then she asked an usher where to go and the usher Center down to guest services.

Well, that's not where she was supposed to go She had to go to she had to make it up to the 5050 table which was on the concourse Which is where she was sitting until the usher center down to the other place.

She got there late.

Oh No, she got to the table late.

They said sorry.

We already drew another number because you were late Wow, well instead of just being sad she got litigious

Yeah, they did.

They went to small claims court.

This has been going on for

three years though, right?

This wasn't just a couple of games ago.

This has been going on

three years that

they've been fighting for this.

Yeah, and just recently an appeals court said, you're done.

Stop.

But they said they might go to the Supreme Court.

All right, what is enough enough?

That's the question.

Small

claims said, no, you don't have a case.

The appeals court said, no, you don't have a case.

I empathize with these people because that would that would be awful.

Yeah.

I would be furious with that usher.

Yes,

there there could be some sort of verbal and or not really physical abuse, heaped on this usher for sending me when I could have walked three feet and bed to the right place.

But instead, they sent me downstairs, who then sent me back upstairs.

And you know, those concourses are crowded, you can't get anywhere fast.

Yeah.

And I think to make this worse is by the time she finally got to the table, right?

To be clear, they're suing the Brewer's Community Foundation.

But by

the

time she got to the table, the foundation officials told her that because she didn't get there in time, they already drew a new ticket.

Yeah.

And that person had already claimed their $13,000 prize.

So somebody went home with $13,000.

Wow.

That

just wasn't them.

And again, I sympathize.

That would be awful.

I sympathize.

But here's the other thing.

If you know where your seats are at.

Right and you because they do the announcements in the stadium and I get sometimes it's hard to hear I'm not saying that but they do the announcements in the stadium and you hear that they're doing the 50-50 raffle drawing and if you know where your seats are at and you know that you can't actually see a one of the big boards from where you're at but you know you bought the ticket don't you try to actually do something to see the board?

I

see but I also I

Like I said, I buy these tickets and I always figure it's a sunk cost.

I don't, I don't anticipate waiting.

And unless I, unless I happen to be looking at the board when they put it up, I would have no idea where to go either.

So part of me is like, you got to have your, your ushers and your staff know exactly where to send people.

Now that's a brewers training

question.

Yes.

Yes.

Of course.

You don't sue, you don't sue the charity because the rules are the rules are there.

The rules are the rules.

Whatever reason you didn't make it.

You didn't make it.

Here's the other thing that I think about with this story.

They won $13,000.

How much have they spent in legal fees

over the last three years, right?

Well, they didn't win the 13.

They left with nothing.

And now they're like, to your point, they're spending all this money to try to do it.

All right.

Let's do a postmortem of the 2024 election after the news, shall we?

I'm Brian Noon and this is Daybreak.

I'm Jamie Martinsen.

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Good morning, 635 right now.

Thank you for listening this morning to the Civic Media Network.

My name is Jamie Martenson.

Hey, good morning.

I'm Brian Noonan.

OK, I know it's 2026, but here's our question for you this morning.

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What's your postmortem on the 2024 election?

And I know just me saying it makes me want to laugh because Jamie, you and I both know it's 2026.

Yes.

And usually a postmortem on an election, the either the national parties put those out fairly quickly.

Well, the Democrats, it'll be surprised to know when we get into some of the results.

But

There has been a lot of anticipation for this postmortem, the autopsy from the Democratic National Committee about the election.

What happened other than and why did why did we lose what went so wrong that got Donald Trump reelected?

Well, the DNC chairman Ken Martin said, oh yeah, the report's coming out.

The report's coming up.

I'm not releasing the report.

There will be no report.

Now, well, you kind of get a report, but it's an incomplete version.

And we threw a little disclaimer at the top of it when we released it

and

CNN got it.

It's not close to because Martin said this is not close to being ready for public consumption.

Well, dude, we got another election in two years.

So you may want to crank it up a little bit.

Well, anyway.

Some of it is out.

The disclaimer at the top that CNN published said that the report reflects the views of the author who is a Democratic consultant, Paul Rivera, not the DNC.

Rivera, who people familiar with the matter say, wrote the report as a part-time volunteer.

Here's what I'm going to

say.

I've read a majority of this report and we'll get into some of the details of it in just a moment.

I don't disagree with the majority of what he said.

Like I actually don't

disagree with a majority of what he says in this report.

What I'm dubious about is why the DNC decided to keep pushing it off and burying it.

We know what have we lost.

Why'd we lose?

Well, you're going to step on some toes.

that it's about time they step on some toes.

Don't you want to know what happened?

I mean, you can live with your head in the sand, I guess, if that's what you essentially want to do.

It's easy that way,

Jamie.

Then you don't have to face any hard reality.

This is true.

And I understand that there's a lot of people who love to go through life that way.

But at the same time, I think at some point you have to face what went wrong.

wrong.

And as I said, I don't disagree with a lot of what Rivera had in this report because some of it didn't make sense if you were watching it from afar during the election, right?

And

for a lot

of people, the elections just happen in the peripheral, right?

You know about the big stuff, the debates, maybe a campaign stop if it's near your home.

But for people who work in politics, you're a little bit more entrenched.

And so some of the things that I was

watching, doing what we do, I was like, why?

Some of it didn't make any sense to me.

So we can get into some of the details, though.

Yeah, a lot of it, like you said, to me, made sense, too.

And I follow politics, but I'm not entrenched, I would say.

I'm in it, but...

as a hostage.

I would much rather be free of having to deal with all this, just voting and knowing why I'm voting for who I'm voting

for

and move on with that.

So overall, Jamie, and we've discussed this many times, and I think if you're an honest Democrat, this report does not paint a pretty picture for the Democratic Party.

It just says, oh, well, the elections have been very close.

And, um, that's okay.

We don't need to, we, it's, it's been close.

We don't need to rethink how we're doing it, which is, they say, a dumb paraphrasing.

There was a line in it, and I'm going to read this verbatim,

um,

because this is a quote, this kind of thinking, talking about the party as a whole and their approach to elections.

Quote, this kind of thinking, denialist at its core, prevents the party from seeking real accountability and from making the changes we need to deliver on our promises to the American people.

The report also went on to talk about since Barack Obama won in 2008, which seems almost 20 years ago now, if you're doing the math at home.

It also goes on to say that the party has basically been stagnant and been in some sort of regression and Rivera also says that as a whole the Democrats have steadily lost ground since

President Obama's success

and

I don't disagree with that because I think there was this this philosophy of let's build off that momentum Barack Obama built a coalition, but I don't see a lot of Keeping that coalition and and actually Doing what they need to to make sure that those voters fear feel secure or like their vote isn't just

expected.

It

might be the word.

We talked about that the other day when something similar to this came up and we were talking about how black voters did not feel they needed to vote for Kamala Harris just because she was black

and that the

Democratic Party had moved away from doing what they had promised to do and so when you're taken for granted as a voter or anywhere you tend to move on and this sentence

meant a lot for me.

said that Democratic candidates have proven incapable of projecting strength, unity and leadership and voters have drifted away.

And we've talked about this ad nauseam since 2016.

The Republicans come out and they fight.

Yes.

And they fight and they fight and they fight and they keep hammering away and whoever their candidate is, they rally behind that person and they fight and Democrats, we bicker.

We have strongly worded memos.

We do not.

We do not attack.

We don't show people that we are willing to go down with the ship fighting for what we believe in and what we believe is best for this country.

And Republicans do it all the time.

And we have become very soft.

We allowed the labels of woke and snowflake and all of that to become an identity.

rather than an insult that we argue back against.

I also think at some point, if you're a Democratic voter or somebody within the party who is trying to figure this out based on this report, I think you have to have a better plan than the other guy is worse.

I

mean,

you have to have a better

plan.

And I'm not saying that Kamala Harris didn't have plans.

I think she was probably one of the most prepared people I've ever seen to potentially be in the White House.

However, I think the rollout of how the whole thing went down between the last minute Joe Biden deciding not to run, all of a sudden anointing her, I think that that

that rubbed a lot of people within the party that very much the wrong way.

It rubbed a lot of independence the wrong way.

You know, you can go back to, was that right?

Was it wrong?

Who knows?

I mean, the election was lost.

Here we are.

So hopefully what they've done is look at that and learn a better process and figure out a better way in case those situations ever happen again.

But to just basically campaign day after day on the other guy is worse and to not really allow Kamala Harris

to have her own messaging on things like the economy, to never really push back on the Republicans, she's your border czar.

Yeah, which was never the case.

No.

And

it's, there was a lot of blame to go around.

And, and you're pointing out the good, good thing, good criticisms, you know, these are, these are apt criticism.

And there was a lot of, there was a lot of that with the Biden, the Biden.

operation his his group yeah keeping her keeping her on the fringes like that and not fighting back and it goes back to what we were just talking about the strength if you know even even before he knew he was dropping out he should have been pushing back on this yes that the White House should have been she's not the borders are she's doing this and this yeah she works on this she does this but they kind of they kind of and all vice presidents tend to get marginalized

to a point.

What I think is interesting, and if you want to jump into the conversation this morning, and if you have opinions on whether or not you agree or disagree with this report or with us, we'd love to hear from you.

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What I think is interesting is that one of the things that the Trump administration did really, really well

in the second go around is give JD Vance a role right from the start.

Now, obviously I know that's changed over the course of the last

few

months.

But at the start, it was very much, this is JD Vance.

He's going to come out and he's going to be the attack doc.

He's going to tell you that the policies this president is enacting are good because of this.

Whether you agree with that or not, there was a specific role for him.

When Kamala Harris got into the White House when Joe Biden was elected, I'm not sure they really knew what to do

with her.

Well, there was the whole controversy because Joe Biden had made the mistake of saying he was going to pick a minority woman

to

be vice president.

So no matter who had been put in there, they were under an extra microscope because were they just there because they were because Joe Biden didn't want to go back on his word and that they wanted to put an African American woman in in the seat.

Now, I know she was qualified.

Sure.

You know she was qualified.

Most people do.

But there were there were some, even in this party, that were questioning it.

Does she really belong as vice president?

Weren't there other more qualified candidates hinting white guys?

Weren't there others that could have done the job better?

But before we before we start wrapping this up, I do there was blame to be placed

at

Kamala Harris's feet.

And a lot of it was how

they seem to take a lot of it for granted.

This is

according to according to the report.

So they said she focused too much on college educated suburbs.

It left gaps with Josh Stein, who was the North Carolina gubernatorial candidate.

And so she left big gaps at unwinnable levels.

She lagged in rural areas, which proved to be insurmountable in swing states.

We saw it here.

Harris wrote off rural America, assuming urban and suburban margins would compensate.

That is dangerous and stupid.

Which I thought was hilarious though, because here in this state, there was so much campaigning in the rural

areas

to the point that there were times that I was like, wow, they're not doing much in the actual urban areas.

It was a lot of rural areas that they

tended to put

in.

So I thought that was an interesting

analysis.

was it every rural area or just a swing state's rural area?

That's the question.

That's why we got it here.

And it also said, and this goes to your point you made earlier, Jamie, that she didn't define herself adequately against Trump.

It wasn't, it was just, he's unacceptable.

Yes.

And I'll do this.

They took it

for granted that he was

an

unacceptable candidate.

And he was.

But they didn't do enough to, and I think that was it, right?

They didn't do enough to position her because Joe Biden was, she was literally getting lagged down by the economic messaging coming from the Republicans.

She had been, she was dragged down by all of that.

Joe Biden's economy was much better than it is now.

But let's be realistic.

It was teetering.

It was teetering.

It was right there on the edge.

And I don't believe that there was enough of what we heard from her specifically of what she would do differently.

In fact, she even said, well, I kind of like what Joe's done.

Essentially is what she said.

And

I plan on continuing to do that.

That's not what people

wanted to hear.

It was a bad day.

It was a bad day on the view.

The other thing that they brought up, and it goes to taking for granted, but this was not.

This was not just Kamala Harris.

This was the whole Democratic Party.

They did not really defy, they just figured everybody knows how bad Trump is.

We don't have to hammer on it.

And they actually did.

That was a big failure of analysis.

With his favorability as low as it was, it should have been, let's focus on this, let's focus on this.

Packers Mount Rushmore.

is Aaron Rodgers on it.

We will talk about that with you.

After this, it's daybreak.

She's Jamie Martinson.

I'm Brian Noonan.

This is the Civic Media Network.

Fairly solid, better than expected.

It's Daybreak with Brian and Jamie.

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Good morning.

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All right.

Does Aaron Rogers go on your Packers Mount Rushmore?

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We'll go around the horn in a minute.

But first, Aaron Rogers, if you have not heard, is planning to retire after

this season he has said this is it this is his 22nd season he is of course with the Pittsburgh Steelers now according to ESPN's Brooke Pryor when asked Wednesday if the campaign would be his last in the NFL Rodgers answered yes this is it and then the Atlantic's Brendan Howell reported

that he said it as well.

The Steelers announced Monday that Rogers has signed a one-year deal to return for a second season with the franchise.

He said Wednesday he had originally some doubt about whether he would retire and hadn't made his decision until after the 2026 NFL Draft wrapped up in April.

So Aaron Rogers still playing our resident Packer

fans.

He's back.

Yes.

It's a reunion.

And it actually surprises me because, boy, that was an icy breakup.

Oh.

Yeah, I was going to say, they didn't at the end.

They were not chummy.

No,

they

were not.

Yeah, but can you?

But he had his most

success under McCarthy.

That, and there's no shot that Rogers would have gone without a retirement tour.

Yeah, this is true.

Yeah,

his

ego would not allow him

to do

that.

No, I understand that.

Um, so.

Ayahuasca in every city.

Steam hut before the game.

Parker, I'm going to start with you.

Is he on your Mount Rushmore of Packers?

I kinda, I think he is.

He has to be, right?

Yeah, I think he needs to be because of the fact that it, and this is piggybacking off of the fact that Brent Farr has to be on that Mount Rushmore as well.

Agreed.

I think, yeah, I just think he needs to be because he was able to continue that success.

I mean, are

we talking just players?

Because if we're talking anybody, then I'm putting like Ron Wolf up there too, right?

Because

of what he was

able to do to turn the team around when he came back in.

When

he was hired to, you know, basically

change the franchise.

I would also put Ron Wolf up there as well.

Reggie White.

You only get four.

Yeah.

Reggie White would be another one I'd put up because he also changed the franchise.

But if you look, the three players that I would put up there all kind of came from the same era under the same coaching tree.

Yeah, it is.

I've got, I would, for players that would have Rodgers, Favre, Reggie White.

And then I think Vince Lombardi, I think, I don't run Wolf is a really good argument as well.

I think I would go to Vince Lombardi first though, because he laid the foundation and he did do.

that front office kind of stuff.

You get four people.

Remember the record.

There are

four

heads on my rush work.

I'm talking

to you, Jamie.

Jamie, yeah, you rattled off like 18

names.

Yeah,

45 man

roster.

I just think that's it.

I think there are a lot of options and it depends.

And if you want to go really old school to the very beginning of the Packers history or if you want to look at the rebuild because let's be realistic as as bearish fans, you are all very well aware that in the 1980s, this team.

sucked, right?

Right.

But you have to, I think you have to, if it were me as an outsider, it's Vince Lombardi, it's Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and then I'm then I'm torn.

Do I go curly Lambo as the founder and the original coach?

Do I go Bart Starr who brought Green Bay to like national prominence?

that that fourth spot is a little is is a big question but the first three should be non-brainers and no-brainers and I would have to go I would say because I grew up as a little kid the only only player I ever knew outside of the Bears was Bart Starr and Roger Stovak and Terry Bradshaw those were the only ones so I'm gonna go Lombardi, Starr, Farve

Rogers Roger from

Stevens Point chiming in say his Rushmore would be star Lombardi farve and Rogers

same as same as mine.

Yep.

Good thinking Roger great minds Great minds, and I'm you know I'm not I don't even have any skin in this game

I'm surprised to see to both quarterbacks in a lot of people's Mount Rushmore I mean the Packers that such a long history,

right?

That's why the

Mount

Rushmore

is

hard

I don't

know who I would put in from him.

You

have Reggie White.

You

have Ray

Nitsky.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean.

I guess too, for a lot of people, and if you talk to Packers fans, I think a lot of them would put Rodgers on there, but then the fact that he was only able to win the one Super Bowl, but yet get so close so many times, I think for some also tarnishes that, because that was always the biggest when you talk to Packers fans,

right?

That is where their mind goes, well, he only brought us one trophy, right?

I'm going to take, go out on a limb here, hot take this morning.

I don't even believe it was Aaron Rodgers leadership that propelled that team.

I believe it was Charles Woodson in 2010.

Another, another one of the greatest defensive backs of all time.

It's very hard.

How do you, how do you narrow it down to four?

Roger and Stevens Point says, star, Lombardi, Farve, Rogers.

Again,

three quarterbacks.

That was nice.

Thank you for

the repeat.

Three quarterbacks is a

lot.

I have a hard time

putting all three of them

on there.

That's yeah.

There's got to be other.

And that was mine too.

But yeah, as I think more about it, I think it's because it's easy with quarterbacks, right?

They get all the headlines.

Everybody knows it.

Brian,

who are your, what is your Mount Rushmore of Packers boogeyman?

The people, the names that just haunt you, because I'm trying to think of it that way.

Wow.

Brett Favre.

Aaron Rodgers.

Enemy number

one.

Randal

Cobb.

Yeah, those two.

Oh, you mentioned.

Yeah.

Wow, look at the bears fans.

No, it's like well, there's so many nightmares that's it's like

Donald driver Green

yeah,

it's

like who makes the Mount Rushmore of that the same the same list that made the Packers Mount Rushmore You know because all those people brought dread what I love is that we can't like just

land on anything

because there's so many

people to choose from

so

Good job.

All right, well, when we come back, it is going to be after the news.

And we'll share some stuff you need to know.

A lot going on in the next hour.

Swipe or stay.

And we'll talk to the fabulous Farm Babe.

It's all coming up on daybreak right here on the Civic Media Network.

Wisconsin Wakes Up Here.

Back to Daybreak with Brian and Jamie.

Good morning.

Thank you so much for joining us this morning on the Civic Media Network.

If you're in Madison listening on WMDX or in Wausau and WXCO or in Wisconsin Rapids listening on WFHR, thank you so much for having us on.

My name is Jamie Martinson.

And good morning.

I'm Brian Noonan.

Glad you're here.

It is just after seven o'clock.

Getting ready to head out the door, but there is more you need to know.

It's a wake up call in more ways than one.

Time for some shit you need to know.

Listen, it's a long weekend.

Perhaps you will be venturing outdoors.

The weather is supposed to be nice.

You'll be hiking around.

You'll be cutting the grass.

You'll be doing all kinds of things well.

Fear the deer tick.

Yes, more than half of tested deer ticks in Wisconsin are carrying the bacteria that causes Lyme disease.

According to a new Marshfield Clinic study, researchers analyzed nearly 12,500 ticks submitted by residents through a citizen's science project of the 707 adult female deer ticks tested.

51% carried the Lyme disease bacteria higher than expected.

Wisconsin has recorded a record 6,469 Lyme disease cases or they did in 2024 cases quadrupled over the past 20 years.

Now expert stress the risk.

risk of infection is relatively low, only about 3% since ticks must be attached for 24 to 36 hours to transmit the disease.

So what does that mean?

Yes, get home and just like monkeys, check each other for ticks.

It's going to be fun.

Turn it into something else.

If you're a consenting adult, I don't want to get in your business.

But just know there's

no questions.

Yes, I don't ask questions.

I just think of scenarios in my mind.

Most of the ticks

were submitted for this were wood ticks.

They don't spread Lyme disease.

So the findings highlight the need for awareness, especially in high risk regions like southwestern Wisconsin.

So again, be careful with the ticks.

I had one couple

weeks ago

was gross.

Aspie and I went out for a hike this past week.

And when we came home, I pulled three off of her or four off of her and three off of me.

And they were yeah, so they were just crawling around.

They still hadn't you know, found a place to just kind of

nest and do their thing, but she's hilarious.

I always know when she's got a tick on her because she's got really short hair.

So she feels it start to crawl up that really short hair and she absolutely will not like let it go.

She absolutely won't and she will continue to turn.

She'll just sit down and tell somebody does something about it.

So I always know- Fix me, fix me.

Exactly.

So I always know when she has something crawling on her because she is very persnickety about how that feels.

and how that feels on her hair.

So I can, I can usually mitigate those pretty quickly on her, but they were in my socks and everything when we got home.

Yeah, that's,

that's gross.

My little one, my little dog is very fluffy.

Okay, hard to find her when we're

walking.

And so yeah, but I spent the other night, we were cutting birds off of her for

a half hour.

Yikes.

Because

I'm like, Oh,

okay.

Yeah.

So

just

You

and your dog and everybody

be careful.

Use the repellents if you have to.

And I know there's a lot.

When it comes to your pets, I know that there's a lot of people who are skeptical of the medicines.

I get that.

Talk to your vets.

Make sure that they're on something proper because here in Wisconsin, well, we don't have a shortage, obviously.

In other stories this morning, stuff you need to know.

This is good news if you've been following the cases in Minnesota because a woman there described as the mastermind of a

massive COVID-era fraud scheme has been sentenced to nearly 42 years in prison.

Her name is Amy Bach and she was convicted of wire fraud and bribery tied to the Feeding Our Future case.

Prosecutors say that scheme stole more than $250 million in federal funds with only about $50 million recovered.

Bach has been ordered to pay over $242 million in restitution.

The case is considered one of the largest pandemic

related fraud cases in the country.

Federal officials announced these new charges against 15 additional suspects linked to related fraud schemes.

Now, new cases involve more than $90 million in additional alleged fraud, including misuse of childcare and Medicaid funds.

Officials say some schemes involve falsifying meals for children and inflating staffing numbers so that they could collect the government money.

Authorities emphasize the crack that the crackdown is on

ongoing with a growing federal effort to investigate and prosecute fraud across the Midwest.

Um, you know, it's funny.

Uh, this is great.

Um, I, what I think is interesting is for all of the, the rhetoric that has been involved in this fraud scheme and that Nick Shirley video that we saw a few weeks ago, months ago now at time is just of the essence in my mind at this point.

Uh, but that we saw.

It turns out that it wasn't the Somali community that was prosecuted after all.

But

they look different.

We got to go after them first.

No, this is good.

Minnesota, it shows and it takes all the argument away from these MAGA folks who were, what about Minnesota?

Yeah, they're investigating it.

And just like they're investigating the ice shootings, and they're getting the job done.

So why don't we take a little.

cue from them and maybe prosecute people like they deserve to be prosecuted.

So

yeah,

good job.

Good job, Minnesota.

And well deserved punishment.

Yes.

You want to cheat?

And you get caught?

Well, you got to pay the price.

All right, this is good news.

The big story today is good news for Wisconsin voters because a federal judge has rejected the Trump administration's attempt to obtain Wisconsin's full unredacted voter registration list.

The administration has been requesting detailed voter data, including partial social security numbers or driver's license numbers, saying it needed it for verification efforts.

All right.

The Wisconsin Elections Commission refused, arguing that releasing that level of personal data would violate Wisconsin privacy laws protecting voters.

So the U.S.

Department of Justice sued the state, claiming the information was required to ensure compliance with federal election laws, including the Help America Vote Act and the National Voter Registration Act.

The DOJ also argued the record should be released under a provision of the Civil Rights Act of 1960.

Well, bad news for you because the Supreme Court's voting all of that away.

So we don't

have to worry

about that anymore US District Judge James Peterson disagreed He really he ruled that voter registration lists do not fall under that section of the Civil Rights Act and because of that finding the judge dismissed the case with prejudice Meaning the federal government cannot refile the same claim the ruling didn't address other arguments However, focusing solely on legal questions of whether the Civil Rights Act applied

Voting rights advocates, including the ACLU, intervened in the case and warned the request could be used to create a national voter database or challenge voter eligibility.

And we're seeing that already start to happen in some places.

Advocates argued the effort could lead to eligible voters being wrongly flagged or removed from voter rolls.

And we saw this just the other day.

We reported on that too.

Wisconsin is one of 29 states in the District of Columbia targeted by similar lawsuits from the Trump administration.

I will let you divine why those 29 states are being targeted.

I don't need to tell you that you're smart enough.

Courts have now dismissed at least eight of those cases signaling growing legal resistance to the strategy.

It sounds like the same strategy they used after the 2020 election, while all these lawsuits lose in court time and time again.

and yet keep hammering on the lawsuit and the fact that we need this

to

get voter registration.

And we got to get rid of all the dead people and the illegal people that are voting, all the people that shouldn't be voting.

I mean, it's just another way to erode trust and to make sure that, as we've said,

right people will put that in air quotes or actually voting in the elections.

What I thought was fascinating is that they tried to use the Civil Rights Act from 1960.

And specifically, I did a little deep dive into this.

They were looking at Title III as part of that law that they were trying to use so that they could get these records.

Now, that law does allow the Attorney General to inspect election records to make sure voting rights are protected.

The key difference, though, is that oversight is not the same as

limited access.

And that is was the argument that Judge Peterson made in this particular case.

You just don't get to sweep up highly sensitive data like driver's license numbers and social security numbers without some sort of clear justified reason.

And that was essentially what the DOJ was trying to do to Wisconsin voter rolls.

And this has been an ongoing debate, right?

Just a few months ago when the vice president was here, they asked him specific

about the voter rolls and things like that.

And he made a point to say, yes, we're gonna, you know, if you don't have anything to hide, you should be willing to hand him over.

Well, no.

I hate

that.

I hate that

reasoning.

What do you got to hide?

I don't know, my privacy.

Just because

I don't

want you to have my information doesn't mean I did something wrong.

Right.