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It's Daybreak with Brian Noonan and Jamie Martinson.
Here are your hosts, Brian and Jamie.
Welcome to another week in what we can only assume will be a wonderful, wonderful seven days in America.
If the weekend is any indication we are off to a fun start.
I am Brian Noonan.
Jamie is out this week.
She's doing company business on the East Coast.
She will be back with us next Monday.
But as always, the boys are here.
Frank, our executive producer and Parker, our technical producer are here.
Gentlemen, good morning.
Welcome another week of the boys running the asylum while Jamie is away and we are going to, we're going to be fine.
We're
Let's be honest, nobody else wants to work with us and that's just fine.
I don't need anybody else to work with us.
The three of us are fine.
We like having Jamie here, of course, so the four of us are a team, but sometimes people on the team have to take a day or do some business.
and they're away.
And we will endeavor.
All right, when last we left this this Todrick group of individuals, Frank, you were trying to decide because yesterday was Mother's Day.
So I hope all the moms or the people who fill that role had an enjoyable day yesterday.
I know I saw my mom on Saturday and then treated my wife to a day of rest.
Basically yesterday.
Yes.
Oh, she loved it.
I got up at I
Normally, I don't get up this early on a Sunday, but I got up at 5 30 yesterday morning so that I could be a do write donuts when they opened at six.
I was the second person in line.
Got my donuts got home.
I wanted the biggest thing was I was going to handle the dogs in the morning because normally, when I'm trying to sleep, the dogs start whining and they go and she gets up and she goes out and handles them.
So I thought, well, I'll be up.
Yeah, the dogs didn't make a sound.
they didn't get up to move, nothing.
They saw me sitting in my chair just waiting for them and they just, so I'm like, I know, but I'm up.
I'm staying up.
So you might as well go out instead of just waiting.
And then, you know, I made her brunch and I made her, she got what?
this Frank, she's a gamer.
I said, what do you want for dinner?
Because I'm restarting my recalibrating my weight loss.
Yeah, starting today.
And she was like, do we have wings?
Yes, we can.?
Wow.?
We had wings, we had mimosas.
She she got to just sit around and read all day.
I had the laundry all done by 10 o'clock because I was up at five.
Can I, I saw your I saw this on social media.
Parker, I don't know if you follow Frank.
It's a fascinating follow on Instagram.
And I saw.
I saw two pictures.
One was a young Frank in a tuxedo holding a small girl.
And I thought that's an inappropriate age range for a date.
And then right next to it was Frank in his civilian clothes holding a grown young woman in a formal dress.
And I thought
Still age inappropriate, but she's dressed very nicely.
What was your
We saw everybody went well.
I did got mom a thing of popcorn because she eats a lot of popcorn lately.
So am I all right?
Here you go.
Okay.
I normally, all right.
Normally it's here.
Her candy of choice is good in plenties, which I know that's my thoughts as well.
Whatever floats your boat though.
while she
Then the next day we were going to somebody's cottage in Michigan City, Indiana.
My mom hosted a big breakfast for everybody going to the thing.
So now I'm with her at prom.
Wishing I was there with somebody else.
Then we go to this party.
Then we go to my my house for breakfast.
Then we go to Michigan City and the whole time I'm miserable.
Then I have to drive her all the way back home at the end of the weekend.
It was it was horrific.
My?
whole high school experience sucked.
I'm not
gonna lie.
I still can't remember.
I remember telling her in the front seat of my red gran terino sports parked behind her father's apartment building.
because her parents were divorced.
So I was dropping her off at her dad's and I remember the little parking lot.
I remember it all.
I don't remember the reason.
But I remember her saying, can we still go to prom?
And I went,
For some reason, wonderful tonight is popping into my head, but I don't know if that was it by Eric Clapton.
Clapton?
Yeah, I don't know if that was the one.
I blocked out 99% of it.
I know I wore a red tie.
That's all I remember.
And I know I rented the tux, obviously.
I wasn't as evolved as I am now to own a tux.
But who is in high school?
Yeah, so when people say they don't want to go to prom, I'm like, that's cool.
I get it.
I would definitely advise against it unless you're, I don't know, really popular or have a date or, you know, have Parker giving you hand signals like you got to go to prom and I'll say no.
I shan't.
You don't have to go to prom.
Let me tell
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I usually doze in those few seconds.
And then I hear Jamie stop talking to wake up.
But hey, I'm Brian Union.
Welcome.
We're glad you're here.
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Hope everybody had a lovely weekend and is ready to get back into the swing of things.
If you're wondering, Jamie will be back next week.
She is this week.
She's not on vacation this week.
She's actually doing company business and she's
on the East Coast so she will be back.
Next Monday, that's the plan anyway.
They don't really tell me much.
I just show up and I start talking and then Parker flails his hands at me and I stop talking.
You know, if you're watching on the stream, you go boy, it's gotta be.
It's gotta be much more complicated than that.
But it really isn't.
It's just that Parker says 10 seconds and I wait and then Jamie talks and I start talking and then
Parker waves his hands and I stopped talking.
It's it's really I'm I'm pretty much a train chimp.
It's like the lights come on.
And that's it.
Roger from Stevens Point, Texas.
I was amazed when my daughters went to prom.
How many of the young men didn't know how to tie a tie.
That doesn't surprise me at all, Roger.
Come on.
It's 2026.
Most people the finer things in life.
I had I had to learn to tie a tie my freshman year in high school because I was on the basketball team.
And so when we traveled, we had to wear a tie.
So I learned to tie a very simple, foreign hand knot.
Now, you know, it gets me, Parker, and this is very bougie.
Your fancy is fancy.
So I tie my own bow tie.
And I've tried, I've learned not to tie a couple of different regular tie knots, like a half Windsor and whatnot.
But yeah, you got tying a tie is pretty simple.
Just a basic, the basic foreign hand knot is simple.
Yeah.
So God, here's Frank like to Frank gave a tip to young guys, because we have a lot of high school kids listening to the show on the way to school.
I am the voice of a generation Parker, not their generation.
No, I don't know generation.
but a generation will just leave it there.
So yeah, learn to tie a tie that'll serve you well down the road.
Alright, now we talk about AI a lot AI can be a very useful tool.
It can also be something that strikes fear and dread into the hearts of a lot of people because we see it taking over in places where you know, if you if you're trying to find a job, for instance, and you're
Trying to use AI to do your resume and your cover letter and you know AI is looking at the resumes The human connection is out of that search.
Well, would it surprise you that AI is making its way into the medical field?
It is the state of Pennsylvania is suing character AI to stop the company's AI chatbots from posing as doctors and offering medical advice.
Oh, that's reassuring, isn't it?
You go online to try to you know
I've got some sort of malady.
Am I talking to a doctor?
Yes, you are.
Oh, can you give me advice?
Yes, I can.
They're all robots to me, Parker.
Everything AI is robots.
I mean, they should be.
They are.
They're overlords.
Concerned.
Anyway, that is, if AI is offering medical advice, it's in violation of state medical licensing rules.
You can't pretend you're a doctor.
I mean, we all know that in real life.
we should also assume that in AI life.
State officials have said that they're investigating and they found that the company's chatbots, which present themselves as fictional characters, have also claimed to be licensed medical professionals.
So an illustration of a woman reaching out toward an artificial person, the Pennsylvania deserves to know who or what they are interacting with online, especially when it comes to their health, according to Josh Shapiro.
He is, of course, the Pennsylvania governor.
He said in a statement announcing that the lawsuit was filed last week, we will not allow companies to deploy AI tools that mislead people into believing they are receiving advice from a licensed medical practitioner.
Honestly, never thought, and I hadn't thought about it until recently, I never thought I'd live in a day when we had to worry about that.
We were talking about ICU units last week if you were listening, and if you weren't, you can always go to Spotify and listen to podcasts of the program, stuff you missed.
So, you know, that's a little hint.
We call back stuff that we've done on the show before, and you can always say, did they really?
Yes, go to Spotify.
Download the podcast.
Why don't you just subscribe?
That's the easiest way.
Then they pop up.
You can listen to us at your leisure.
But the point is, I would have never thought about, you know, ICU units not having doctors and having to use the remote doctors, the little roll in things.
And those are, those are kind of robots because they're those automated carts, they roll in and they have an iPad screen where the doctor's face pops up.
And it is very, you know, science fictiony.
But now we have to worry about
AI imitating doctors.
In one case that they cited in this Pennsylvania lawsuit, the state alleged the character IA and IA bot named Emily claimed to be a licensed psychiatrist.
The chatbot's description on Character AI's platform read, Doctor of Psychiatry, you are her patient.
Now that's according to the lawsuit.
A state investigator started a conversation and described feeling sad and empty.
Wow.
Getting lined, pal.
The chatbot allegedly, quote, mentioned depression and asked if the investigator wanted to book an assessment.
Now asked whether it could access if medication might help.
The bot allegedly responded, well, technically, I could.
It is in within my remit as a doctor.
You're not a doctor.
You're an AI chatbot.
Well, this is not the first time a character has faced a lawsuit.
They
They've done it before over harms allegedly involving its chatbots.
In January it settled multiple lawsuits brought by families who claimed that character AI contributed to suicides and mental health crises among children and teenagers.
The terms of those settlements were not disclosed.
This is the wild west and we really really have to push for
oversight and legislation that is going to control this kind of thing because that is that is dangerous, especially when you're dealing with any health issue.
But when you're dealing with somebody with mental health issues, it is very dangerous.
When we come back, should schools get rid of homework?
The debate rages on.
It's daybreak.
I'm Brian Noon and this is the Civic Media News.
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Now back to Brian and Jamie.
I'm Brian Noon and welcome to Daybreak.
Jamie's out of town this week.
We'll remind you a few more times and then she'll be back next week.
So that's good for us to know if you want to get involved in the program, especially when I ask you a question like this.
Do you think school should do away with homework?
8-5-5-7-5-CIVIC, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
If your kids come home from school and all of a sudden they've got, you know, they've spent what, six hours at school, seven hours at school?
Then they come home and they've got to do another couple hours.
I know that was the bane of my existence in high school because I went to a Jesuit high school and they said, oh, you've got to have at least two hours of homework every night.
And I'm like, dude, I already.
sat through your boring stuff all day.
Now you're going to send me home and I got to sit through your boring stuff all night.
Which Parker, that's the philosophy that explains my GPA.
So and how I went for being in the top, like the top 30 kids accepted into high school to I left.
I was done.
So
I got out.
Who cares?
Who cares?
I was like, I don't, I don't want to hear.
Len is listening in Madison on WFTX.
He said, growing up on a farm, homework had an entirely different meaning for me.
True.
True.
I complained about having to do, you know, history and geography and Latin, my Latin homework for two hours a night, you go home and actually are doing physics.
If you lived at a farm as a kid, you were doing physical labor, which is probably why you can, you know,
Bench Press a hay bale.
You don't have to, you know, you don't need a personal trainer.
You had life to give you a personal trainer.
Well, one of the, they, the story I was looking at was talking about one district, but it's happening all over the country.
No more homework has been the thing that's going on.
And I know in my district when I was teaching and granted, now this was elementary school.
There was, they really didn't give out homework because a lot of times
I believe homework, especially when you're a little kid, is a couple of worksheets and then the teachers collect them and they, for months, they just keep getting this box of homework and then they'll go through and they'll put a little star on it or, you know, when you're in first grade, who cares about homework?
Anyway, so a lot of school districts are getting rid of this.
Parents...
Parents in some of the districts have asked, can ask for extra homework if you notice your kid is struggling but that is contingent on the parents caring enough to say I want to do some more work with my children and sometimes that's just no.
So the reason this is happening all over the country is because parents have been complaining like I just did about their kids having to come home.
They've spent all day in school and now they're expected to do another few hours of homework.
They're also saying that, look, some of the time parents can't really help because I was really good at helping Molly with her homework up to a certain point, just with her math.
Once she got into like junior and senior year in high school, it was doing AP math stuff.
I was out.
There's no chance.
I could not do it.
I don't know what my block was all through school with math Jamie has said she was bad at math.
I am horrible at math I'm good enough at like percentages and I you know adding subtracting and that and dividing and I could I could still do long division, which is fun Yeah, Parker you ever do long division not well I can do long division all day, but then it got into like geometry and
Algebra and stuff and I'm like self for unknown.
Well, it's unknown.
How can I solve it?
It's I don't know.
It's an X. That's an alphabet.
That's a letter.
Why do you have letters and numbers together?
What am I Copernicus?
I don't want to get into any of this.
I had no desire.
No desire and no aptitude.
Yeah, there's no effort.
Yeah.
Again, I'll take the heat.
It was and it was also the way things were taught back in my day Parker.
I watched
I watched a young teacher teach a fourth grade lesson about fractions and all of a sudden everything clicked because I was like oh my god if they had taught me math this way like I get it now I hope I'm a little smarter than I was when I was in fourth grade a little I'll qualify aren't you smarter than
Yeah, don't you don't have to get it.
No easy there nils.
Yeah, let's just let's just roll it back a little bit so
Educators are saying yeah we got to roll back homework because quite frankly one of the big issues and we talked about it with the last story is AI and stuff so because of that we're just we're moving away moving away from homework federal data shows that the amount of math homework however assigned to fourth and eighth grade students in particular has been steadily declining for the past decade
That might sound okay, but research is complicated.
Some studies show that students who spend more time on homework perform better than their peers.
That's the kind of study where I go, I could have told you that.
Would you spend on that study?
Two million?
I had done it for 25 grand.
You would have come to me and go, you think kids who do their homework more do better on tests and things?
Yeah, where's my check?
See, I just did a little homework and I made some money.
What do you think about that?
So, for example, a longitudinal study, released in 2021 of more than 6,000 students.
They're not from here.
Germany, Uruguay, and the Netherlands.
There's your Netherlands again, Parker.
I know you said, did you just say Norway?
I said Norway.
But you know what?
Close
I know the Netherlands and Holland are the same place.
But I know they're all the little hanging down parts up at the top of Europe.
It's a map.
They are.
That's where Sweden and Norway and...
than Netherlands are.
So anyway, these kids, they found that lower performing students who increased the amount of time they spent on math homework performed better in math even one year later.
Other studies, however, suggest homework has minimal outcomes on academic performance.
A 1998 study of more than 700 US students, that's a lot.
Led by a researcher at Duke, found more homework assigned in elementary school had no significant effect on standardized test scores.
the researchers did find small positive gains on class grades as they looked at both test scores and the proportion of homework students completed.
So one thing all of the experts can agree on and maybe this was my problem.
In math, homework is very important.
So, you know, I would argue that if you have kids in kindergarten through like third or fourth grade, spend
15 minutes just reading a book.
It doesn't have to be a schoolbook.
Just any book.
Just do any kind of reading.
That's important.
But when it comes to math, practice, practice, practice.
Because the debate over homework has gone back and forth.
And while public opinion has changed, one thing that doesn't is homework in math is a good way.
Because they said it's all complicated, like we've said.
There's no good way to isolate the amount of time spent on homework and its effects.
But it is important in math.
It may take one student five minutes to complete a math problem.
It might take another student 45 minutes on it.
One student might just say, I'm done.
Get up and walk away and never do it again.
But just like playing a violin or hitting a baseball, this is the expert saying.
Any other skill that requires training, there is evidence that students need practice to master academic subjects, particularly in math.
Some experts worry the overall decrease in homework could be a problem for math achievement at a time when math scores across the country are already at a dismal level, low, low, low.
So maybe it's time to just do, because do you remember Parker having to do your multiplication tables?
You just ran them nonstop.
My mom and dad were, oh, and I could, I still have troubles with nines.
Oh, nines are
I know, because now I just subtract a one.
Exactly.
But they don't teach you that.
They teach you gotta know the multiplication tables.
And nines threw me off.
I don't know what it was.
Now, any other number with nine, I knew how to do it.
You know, one times nine, two times nine.
But if you were nine times something, it suddenly threw me.
Like I had some weird sort of the order of the order of the numbers that I was math this less Dislexic perhaps I don't know but yeah, so math is the one place you got to have homework.
I I think For little kids and it differs, but here's my unofficial opinion as an educator former educator When you have little kids like I said
a little bit of reading, but that's fun.
That's like at bedtime, you get out a book and you let the kids read a couple of pages and you help them read.
That's not homework.
Or maybe, you know, if oh, we have a spelling test on Friday and the kids usually have about 10 words, maybe you just go over those 10 words real quick.
Again, that's like five minutes, 10 minutes.
It's not making kids sit down.
with a pencil and paper with their iPad and go through and do all kinds of drills because little kids need time to decompress from being at school.
They need time to run around.
They need time to touch grass and just just be a kid.
Then as you get older and the subjects get a little more complicated.
a little bit of homework.
But man, the days when my teachers would say, oh, read three chapters tonight and we want, you know, we want two, that was just one class.
Now, you multiply that by six classes, seven classes in a day.
What have I, a full-time job?
I have softball practice.
I have lounging.
Parker was going to get high under the stands at the stadium.
He didn't have time for homework.
None of us did.
We were all doing things.
Parker was a good boy.
He didn't do any of those things.
I just paid a pic because I always see Frank later, and I'm talking to Frank, he's the voice of God, but we'll have to talk to Parker about exaggerations on the radio.
Everything is not, this is all not true Parker, but a lot of it is true.
Some?
of
it is
But the truth of the matter is you shouldn't spend
six to eight hours in school and then have to put in another six to eight hours doing homework.
That's ridiculous.
You have a life.
The only way to become a well-rounded human being is to have other things to do.
Homework will enhance it, so do your math homework, have your kids do their math homework, and then figure out other ways to do stuff.
Okay, we love good animal stories here on Daybreak.
We love to follow things.
This is Look to the Skies, Wisconsin.
Because when I come back, there is something flying overhead in this state that is not supposed to be here.
This is an animal.
This is an animal from another part of the world, Parker.
We don't know how it got here.
We don't know where it's going.
But it's here.
And it could be overhead right now.
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Good
Yeah, the boys are back in town.
The woman is out of town, Jamie.
Jamie is off this week.
She's a what's not off.
She's working, but she's doing company business We should have just had her pipe in it's only what's it?
She's on the east coast.
So it's
right now 752 out there.?
Yeah?
You do the show.
Yeah, what times are meetings?
It's quite a switch.
She's sleeping in just relaxing
There was a lot of
many, many conundrums with their flights out as a last minute flight for business.
And yeah, I don't know if I don't know if they didn't have to drive to Saskatchewan and then catch a puddle jumper over to Nome, Alaska, and then go down to San Diego over to Orlando and then up to Boston.
It was a long itinerary and I may have missed a spot, but you are correct.
All right, speaking of planes and things that are in the sky, if you go out today, keep your eyes peeled because some Wisconsinites have seen an unlikely and puzzling sight in the skies above Wisconsin, a giant bird that is native to Africa with an eight to 10 foot wingspan.
That would terrify me.
I would be enthralled, but I would also be terrified if I saw some sort of bird.
It is some sort of
Stork.
It has been identified because people have taken pictures of this thing.
Because who's seen a bird that big flying around Wisconsin?
Not a lot of us.
So it is a Marabou stork.
It naturally lives in sub-Saharan Africa, which, if you know anything about geography, or at least have seen the Lion King, you know is an entirely different ecosystem than Wisconsin.
So that begs the question,
Where did this thing come from?
It also, it grows to be nearly five feet tall.
Now that's according to SeaWorld's website.
You know it's not popular around Wisconsin.
If we have to check SeaWorld to get our information, it's not like we could just go to the Wisconsin DNR and they go, oh yeah, the Meribus Stork, they're here all the time from sub-Saharan Africa.
No, they're not.
So people have reported seeing the bird in Fondilac, Sheboygan.
Appleton and Green Bay areas between May 4th and May 8th.
So there's Facebook posts everywhere of people keeping track of this giant bird.
They asked, just like you and I would ask, where did the bird come from?
Jessica Saunders is a former wildlife rescuer in Fond du Lac.
She's been tracking the stork's whereabouts.
That makes it sounds like the stork is doing something sinister.
And I don't believe it is.
I think it's just doing what Storks do, trying to find a way back to Africa.
So she said the Stork, she first became aware of the Stork last week.
It had been reported in the Fond du Lac area May 6th.
She tried to catch the bird in Sheboygan on May 7th, but did not have any luck.
Then it was reported in Appleton in Green Bay on May 7th in the evening.
It returned to Sheboygan in May 8th.
So we're...
We're seeing it.
People are reporting it.
She said that while the stork does not currently seem to be having a different difficult time surviving by itself, she worries about its ability to survive in the Midwest when the temperature gets cold in the fall.
Well, it's got to make it through the summer first.
Temperatures are going to get hot, but it's not to paraphrase Matthew Broderick in what movie was it?
I don't remember, but he said it's not hot.
It's Africa hot.
It gets hot in Wisconsin.
It doesn't get Africa hot.
Sub-Saharan African hot she said She said she's hoping it'd be that the bird could be rescued because that would be what's best Now it does have a tag on its leg So it was somewhere and it had been identified by somebody and handled by humans But it escaped from captivity still nobody knows I'll be honest if I see a giant stork landing in my backyard
The last thing I'm going to do is try to run up and rattle it to the ground and capture it.
I'm going to keep my distance because if you've seen pictures of this, its beak is very large.
Again, its wingspan is 8 to 10 feet wide.
Now, it's got little stork legs, so maybe you sweep the leg, Daniel-san, and everything is fine.
But still, you've got to get close enough, you've got to get inside that beak, that pecking weapon.
to really to get to sweep that leg.
So both the Wisconsin DNR and the USDA Wildlife Services said their agencies are not involved in efforts to locate and capture the bird.
Why?
The DNR said it doesn't deal with escaped pets or zoo animals and the USDA Wildlife Services says it's rarely tasked with locating birds escaped from captivity.
Okay, well
then I guess it is up to us as citizens of Wisconsin to keep our eyes peeled.
Now, I'm going to leave it to you to do your own research on how you would actually actually trap a stork that lands in your yard.
Parker, what do you think you would do?
Would you try to use a net garbage bag?
If it spreads its wings, I'm screwed.
That's true.
If you walked up, walked up to it and, you know, it just...
Did the crane, the stork did the crane from Karate Kid.
Now, Lenzin Madison, he texted in at 8-5-5-7-5 Civic, sounds like a zoo escapee.
Yes, but you would think that a zoo would put out, maybe they only put it out in their local area that they've had this Meribus stork escape, but you'd think once they start, once it hits the news,
And there's been a lot of coverage of this stork in Wisconsin.
Some zoo is going to go, oh, because I'm betting the Google alerts for Meribu Stork are not, you know, you're not getting thousands of them where you go, oh, another one I have to look through.
No, Meribu Stork is going to pop up once.
That's going to be it.
All right, well, keep an eye out.
I would like to see it.
I'm not going to encounter it.
I'm gonna, you know, or try to engage it, I would look at it and go, oh, that's pretty cool looking.
When we come back, it's blank, you need to know.
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