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Jamie,

Every time I think maybe we'll have a day

where

everything's gonna be fine.

You

mean

normal?

Yeah, normal is normal is good.

What would normal look like in 2026?

Hopefully gas prices

are down a little

bit because I went yesterday and filled up

and it

was...

40 cents a gallon more than it was exactly a week ago.

So that's I got some major sticker shock yesterday.

I have a Subaru Crosstrek who I hadn't put gas in since the price price is increased.

So two weeks ago when I put gas in, it was literally $35 yesterday.

It was $51 and 22 cents.

The exact same mileage, exact

same gas station.

It was I was like, wow, okay, well that

pretty much socks on a Monday.

If your day wasn't bad enough on a Monday, don't go to the gas pumps on a Monday.

Don't go to the gas station anytime soon.

If we could go back to pioneer days,

if you have a

kind of Stoga wagon

parked

behind your house

and a horse, that may

be the way to go.

Oxen might be a good choice right now, too.

Oxen

would be good.

That's going really old school.

It is.

Well, Parker's got the Amish beard, so he would love to have horse-drawn

carts

running down the street.

to just start living in the studio.

I'll be honest, I don't think there's any need for me to really go home.

We've got a kitchen here.

We do.

And a couple couches.

Yeah.

Not a

lot

of

traffic

there.

After the afternoon, you'd have the whole evening to yourself.

This is true.

I

think this could be fun.

Get some entertainment during nightlife from five to seven while Dom is here producing.

There you go.

There's TVs here.

They

rent out an office for an Airbnb.

There you go.

Pick up

a little extra scratch on the side.

There you go.

Oh, Brian.

Man, now we're thinking this could be

lucrative.

I'm here to help a brother out.

That's all.

Well, should we start looking overseas to Iran and see what the latest is

over

there?

Why not?

Here's some headlines coming out of that region.

Iranian attacks on Tel Aviv.

Tuesday left buildings damaged and vehicles burning as seen on video that was obtained by CNN.

Israeli authorities said Iran launched seven waves of missiles since midnight.

Meanwhile, Israel is also continuing to strike Iran.

President Donald Trump told CNN that there are, sorry, my laptop just decided to shut down, told CNN that there are 15 points of agreement between the U.S.

and Iran after talks this weekend.

He announced that he will hold off strikes against Iranian energy sites for five days after earlier threatening an attack if Tehran did not let the Strait of Hormuz fully reopen.

The goalposts on this keep moving, Brian, as far as the Strait of Hormuz.

long yesterday it was 48 hours and then by the time this show ended it was a week and then there were talks that Iran says never actually happened so I'm not sure really where to where the truth lies right now.

Well, it's scary that Iran is becoming more trusted source

than

our own administration.

And as you mentioned, another headline Iran's foreign ministry said there was, quote, no dialogue between Tehran and Washington, that according to state-affiliated media, separately, the semi-official FAR's news agency, citing what it described as informed Iranian sources, said plans are being prepared for potential actions targeting Tel Aviv and some regional allies.

of the US and Israel.

So it doesn't sound, um, this sounds like another, I got a call from a former president.

I'm not at liberty to say which one.

And, uh, they said, sir, you're doing, I wish I had the courage to do what you did.

Uh, and then every living president went, no, we, no, that didn't, maybe he had a dream where he talked to, uh, perhaps Herbert Hoover, but, uh, we didn't talk to him.

I mean at some point though this is what should be concerning is we keep getting told right that this war is what were we told short-term excursion just

last week that's that's what

we were told we were told that the US was definitely winning this war this does not feel like winning if you're watching this from afar if you're watching our news media if you're watching what's happening if you're listening or reading anything that's coming in from overseas as far as you know the

or even Al Jazeera, whatever your source is, this does not feel like something that the U.S.

is winning.

This feels a little bit like the U.S.

is in some sort of quagmire, and there is really no end in sight, which is what the big fear going into this always

was.

alone.

We we wanted isolationism and we've got it.

We don't have we don't have allies anymore because he has alienated them.

We don't have anybody helping here because he didn't talk to anybody before he did this.

And within within an hour, he'll he'll say the straits are open.

Yep, then 30 minutes later, we need help to open the straits.

Iran has been decimated.

No, we have to keep going in there and destroy them.

There's no there's no consistency of message.

There's no fact based message.

It's whatever this old man decides pops into his head.

He he is for all intentions, a doddering grandfather who's just sitting there spouting off whatever pops into his head.

And unfortunately, this doddering grandfather has the most powerful position

in the

world.

And so we are all at his mercy.

And it doesn't look like this is going to end anytime soon, because if you listen to what is being floated as the offer to Iran, it's what President Obama had already worked out with them.

It's the same deal.

But now, once you start bombing a place, they're a lot less likely to sit down and talk to you.

Unless you bomb them into submission, which

Iran doesn't seem submissive.

No,

and they haven't submitted yet.

So

no, absolutely.

And I think that was the biggest miscalculation.

I mean, there were several miscalculations going into Iran.

Let's be clear.

But I think that was the biggest, especially from this administration, as you see the news roll out that they thought they were going to go in there.

They were going to bomb Iran.

They were going to take out the Ayatollah.

The leadership was going to be in chaos, which it wasn't.

They already had made plans seven regime deep.

order if something

happened to

the Ayatollah.

And it seems like that was one of the biggest miscalculations that they were just going to roll over and say, oh, you bombed us.

The Ayatollah is dead.

Do whatever you want at this point.

Have

mercy on us great American

leaders.

And that's not what's happened at all.

In other headlines from Iran, oil prices dropped following the president's statement.

And Asia markets rallied early Tuesday this morning, looking over at breaking news this morning.

get oil prices back over $100 a barrel as of right now within just the last few minutes as the overseas markets start to open, that is.

And Cindy texts in, you can too at 855-755-CIVIC, 855-752-4842.

She says simply, the man is nuts.

Well stated, Cindy.

Let's talk about some other stuff you need to know.

The Pentagon has announced it will relocate journalists from their longtime workspace inside the building to a separate annex on Pentagon grounds, citing security concerns.

Yeah, because the press has been the one that has caused all kinds of... I could see that.

be that we just don't want to see him around.

The move comes just days after a federal judge ruled that the Defense Department's media policy violated press freedom and due process rights.

The department says it will comply with the ruling but strongly disagrees in plans to appeal.

Under the changes, the historic correspondence corridor is closed and journalists will need escorts to enter most areas of the Pentagon outside scheduled briefings.

Many reporters and media organizations dispute the security justification.

arguing the policy changes are intended to restrict access and punish journalists seeking information.

That seems about right.

That's what they've been trying to do since the beginning.

I mean, this is what all of the rules, all the regulations, going back months to that very first Pete Higseth memo that came out basically saying, these

are

all the steps you're going to have to take in order to get your press credentials, which is why now in the Pentagon, we don't actually have any reputable news sources.

It's all very right-leaning, very conservative, maybe verging on propaganda type.

services that are in in the Pentagon right now because if you remember back to that memo that's when all of the the credible press and maybe the mainstream if you want to call it basically turned over their credentials and was like fine if we have to go through all of this just to get access to what should be public knowledge we're done

which yeah and the info is going to get out one another Pete

Pistol Pete he boy he does not want he does not want anybody asking him questions because here's the thing when when you know nothing and you're in over your head

yes

the last thing you want is somebody asking you a question to reveal how much you are in over your head and you know yesterday the president actually turned on somebody he did his usual thing a reporter asked him a question he didn't like well who are you with

Oh, this time it was Newsmax though.

That makes it complicated.

You're not doing a really good

job.

That makes it very complicated.

And for Pete Hakeseth, I think it's interesting that this is a man who is trying to avoid the press at all costs when we know how much he loves a camera.

I mean, it is fact that he has had makeup booths installed in most

offices,

but this is a man who loves the camera.

So the fact that he's trying to avoid the press so much tells you that he probably doesn't want to answer the questions that they're actually asking.

In other news that you need to know, immigration officer.

were deployed to 14 airports across the United States yesterday as part of that effort by the Trump administration to help alleviate long lines and severe delays caused by understaffing at security checkpoints.

By yesterday afternoon, it was unclear how much of an impact ICE's presence was having.

Wait times at Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport reached four and a half hours over the course of the day as the airport closed all but two of its security checkpoints.

In Atlanta, where waits reportedly stretched

to as long as six hours over the weekend.

Airport management advised travelers to allow at least four extra hours to account for delays at security.

There has been little evidence of any progress towards a deal to end the standoff over reopening DHS.

Trump rejected a potential bipartisan compromise that would have allowed all non-immigration agencies within DHS, including the TSA, to resume normal operations.

In fact, there have been five.

five proposals put in front of the Republicans, which a lot of the Republicans have agreed to, to get people back to work to alleviate these delays.

It's actually the president who has said, no, do not make a deal with the Democrats.

And we know this because the Republicans are actually coming out now and saying the president does not want us to make a deal.

This is what they are saying at this point.

When John Kennedy from Louisiana comes out and he is the foghorn leghorn

of legislators,

he is the most southern fried yahoo I have ever run across.

He actually said the words, this is Trump's shut down.

Yes.

it's like oh oh Johnny you're gonna be you're getting called to the woodshed brother man all right real quick before we have to take a break the supreme court's conservative majority appeared dubious of the state laws that allow the counting of mail-in ballots that arrive at election officers after election day justice has heard oral arguments in a challenge to mississippi's five-day grace period for mail ballots justice is raised an assortment of reasons why they saw those policies as problem

seemingly embracing Republicans' arguments that state laws run afoul of statutes passed by Congress establishing Election Day in November for federal offices.

So stay tuned, that is not a done deal just yet.

When we come back, Washington County is suing.

What are they suing over?

We'll find out after this.

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This is kind of odd.

An education foundation has sued Washington County over its plans to sell the former University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee at Washington County campus to a private Christian school.

The Washington County Charitable Foundation sued March 6 asking a judge to block the county sale to Ozaki Christian school.

For decades, the foundation supported local students studying at the Washington County campus, including a $1.1 million gift for the renovation and construction, but there was a condition and that condition was.

the purpose had to be for public education.

And now they're saying,

hmm, yeah,

private private Christian school is not public education.

So stop.

Yeah, in fact, I did a little investigating into what the organization is that filed this complaint.

And literally, they give money to students who are trying to from lower income families.

They're very diversified.

They like to make sure that the money goes to students of all

different backgrounds, and it's really just to give them a leg up with, as you stated, with the public education.

And so the complaint that they filed says that those funds donated by the foundation with the specific charitable purpose of benefiting public education dramatically increased the value of the property, the sale of which will result in an unjust windfall to the county and city.

Now, if you don't know, UW Milwaukee closed that Washington County campus back in June of 2024 because of decline.

numbers of Wisconsin high school students and also financial pressures so the two-year branch campus was jointly owned by Washington County and the city of West Bend and so the closure as you can imagine left the government with this

80 acre property and 200,000 square foot building that costs at least $300,000 annually to maintain the city transferred the ownership interest to the county in February of this year according to the complaint in terms of that transfer have not been publicly released as of yet

Yeah, and there was there was they decided they were gonna sell it to the county was gonna sell it to Ozarki Christian school But then they were afraid they were gonna get three million bucks

But then people were criticizing it because they didn't do open bidding.

And they say that the offer that they were going to take from the Christian school was well below the appraised value, which was at $5 million.

So yeah, that's a big difference.

between three and five.

And it comes to millions.

And the state legislature actually passed a law that gives up to $2 million in grants to counties or cities with a closed UW campus so that they can aid in the redevelopment.

The money must be used to enhance the community's economy though in some way like facilitating some job creation, more housing, improving public infrastructure or contributing to workforce development.

Washington County had previously set aside money to repair the building's electric

system, which would have used that $2 million grant before they decided to sell it to Ozaki Christian, Brian.

All right.

And they're still negotiating.

It's still in the process of the sale.

But Washington County spokeswoman Fran McLaughlin said that she had no update on the status of the WEDC grant.

I don't know.

I'm not a lawyer.

That's the thing.

Anytime I look at some lawsuit

I

look at it from kind of a basic common sense thing Well, this was the deal you don't it has to be used for public education You're selling you're trying to sell it to somebody else who is not in private education You're allegedly selling it at a price lower than it needs to be sold at just to get a quick cash grab it looks like from the outside so Should be open and shut but

Well, law and never is open and shut.

No, it never is.

But I think what's interesting about this particular case that we're talking about, story, whatever you want to call it, there are multiple UW branch campuses that have closed across the state.

So what happens here, is this going to set a precedent for those other communities?

I mean, we came from Baraboo where that campus also closed.

They've got a beautiful facility sitting there, not being used in any sort of way.

So I think this is interesting for a lot of these communities is this

a decision that could influence how some of these similar properties are handled across the state, who's going to get them, how much are they going to be sold for, whether it's going to benefit the public or not, whether it's going to be used for private education when it was essentially set up for public education, which also goes back to a conversation we had yesterday about the privatizing of education in this country and in this particular state as well.

And there has been a huge push, as a lot of us are aware, of more of that private education voucher type education.

system where we're doing away with more public education, especially across the state of Wisconsin.

We've seen that play out time and time again.

And I think this is just another example of a growth and a push towards that.

Well, nobody wants a large swath of land just sitting there unused.

That's unsightly for

a

community.

It's dangerous.

If you can sell it, you need to at least try to get

as much as you need.

That's just basic economics.

Don't take two million less if you can get the appraised value.

When we come back, the Supreme Court very puzzling because every time we think they're backing things, they don't.

And every time we think they won't, they do.

I'll explain it.

We'll explain it at Civic Media Network.

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I can't get a handle on this Supreme Court.

they're sometimes I think they're in the pocket of the administration other times they go oh they're actually looking at

law and doing their thing well they did their thing yesterday and it was a good news for the press the US Supreme Court declined to take up a case challenging a Texas law that make it a felony for journalists to request non-public information from government officials leaving lower court rulings in place now Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented she argued the case threatens a core function of journalism

asking government sources for information and called the arrest at the center of the case a clear First Amendment violation.

So good for the Supreme Court yesterday, this case.

And they're doing everything they can to try to shut down the press.

And thankfully the court.

Sometimes makes the right call

they really really are and you know, it's weird because you're right the Supreme Court will do something that is Feels completely out of character for a Supreme Court and then all of a sudden they actually uphold the the law of the land and Sometimes you feel like you're being set up though, don't you and and I hate being like that But you we live in a time where you feel like you're being set up where we're gonna give you a couple of wins and then ooh

Nope, we're gonna definitely side with the administration.

So, I mean...

Yeah, I'm waiting for them to say, yeah, you can run for a third term.

Wait, what?

Right, exactly.

But we gave you the freedom, but we gave you the press case.

Remember that?

Right.

Yeah, and we said the tariffs were illegal.

Remember that?

Yeah.

But now we've decided, yeah, you can

run.

Yeah, I mean, I know that's probably not what's happening.

I try not to

think in

those terms, but sometimes

I was going to say, who are you?

Me all of a sudden?

Sometimes it feels like that, right?

This particular case, it was, it was interesting because it involved a Texas journalist who was arrested back in 2017 after she published stories about a border agent's public suicide and a car crash.

She was arrested because she fact-checked

her stories with information that was voluntarily provided by a police officer.

This

law

had never been used before her case and makes it a felony to solicit from public officials information that has not previously been publicly disclosed.

It's a felony to ask a question

Is that that's basically what that law

says?

Basically, if the public doesn't know about it and you obtain that information, it is a felony according to this particular law in Texas, right?

I was going to say Woodward and Bernstein are probably, thank God they didn't live in Texas.

Right, because they had multiple sources that

never went

public.

Exactly.

A lower court initially ruled that the law was too vague and unconstitutional and a federal

appeals panel agreed that the journalists' rights were violated.

Now, the full Fifth Circuit later ruled that police and prosecutors were protected by qualified immunity.

And let's be realistic for just a moment when we're talking about the Fifth Circuit, which covers Texas.

This is seen as the most conservative appeals court in the country.

It often issues decisions that push the law in a very right-leaning direction, especially on issues involving, here we go, government power.

and individual rights.

So it was not surprising that that was how the Fifth Circuit actually leaned in this particular case.

But the appeals court said officials could reasonably, reasonably, reasonably, we'll get it out yet, believe that they were enforcing the law, even if it was unconstitutional, meaning that this journalist could not sue them.

And

By declining this particular case, the Supreme Court allows that decision to stand, raising concerns that journalists could face arrest for routine reporting practices if officials rely on unclear or untested laws.

Now, here's a question.

Is this just a Texas thing, or is this essentially what we're trying to do to journalists all across the

country?

This Texas law is a test case for a bigger move.

We see it all the time and it is alarming.

People tend to be downplaying this, which surprises me because so many of us have been inundated with this lie of fake news that now the distrust for journalists across the board is very widespread.

I've never heard of something like this until I read this story and and heard about this case that you can be you could be jailed with a felony Count mm-hmm for asking a question that wasn't public information Well, that's how all information and you pointed it out it bears repeating that that's how reporters journalists get their stories There's all if you waited just for the public that's what

I'm jumping around a little but that's what the administration wants us to do.

Wait for them to give us the story and that's the news.

Whereas to get to the truth you have to get somebody who is willing to talk to you

off the record or as an anonymous source or whatever it is to give you stuff that is not public because if you rely only on the message given to you by the government, you will never get the truth.

You will only get propaganda.

You'll get whitewash stories and you'll get things like they're trying to do now.

Why don't you and we've heard it.

Why don't you just report the positive parts of the war?

Really, there's not much positive about war.

No, it's war.

There's, um, I'm contractually obligated.

For those of you who are like, why does he do that?

It's in my contract.

I have to do it.

Or else I get fined.

And I could go to jail for it with a felony.

But they're already, they're trying it everywhere.

So to answer your question, yes, this is the plan.

Silence any sort of...

Descent whether it's from the people protesting whether it's from journalists trying to get to the truth whoever it is The story the truth comes from us.

Yeah,

don't you don't have to ask it work it.

Why would we lie to you?

We are giving you the truth

You know, I think about this case mostly because in a former life, I was a journalist.

And even in my current role, I have a lot of conversations that are off the record, where I'm curating stories and I'm looking at things for us to talk about here and give sources to our news department.

And so I think about that in this particular case.

It's frightening to know that those types of conversations by some people are essentially seen as shouldn't be happening, are illegal.

It is how you source information and you find out what's happening where you have to have a little bit of that inside edge or you have to be able to get your facts straight.

And sometimes that's exactly what it is.

Some of my conversations on a daily basis or with people who I can be like, this is what I've seen reported.

Is this accurate?

Is this the direction it's headed?

Is this what I'm thinking it is kind of thing?

And sometimes it's just, I just need a simple yes or no.

But according to what we're hearing here,

that would be illegal in the eyes of this particular law, which

is insane.

It's happening in other places.

We mentioned last week something about Kerry Lake with The Voice of America.

Well, journalists from The Voice of America are suing the federal government, claiming officials interfered with their newsroom, and violated laws meant to protect editorial independence.

The lawsuit alleges censorship of coverage, especially related to a ramp.

Baby, oh, did they not report that everything was hunky-dory?

Probably not.

Oh, boy.

There claims some content was turned into pro-Trump propaganda rather than objective news.

Sound familiar?

Sound scary?

Both answers should be yes to that question.

And this is because Carrie Lake, remember her?

She was trying to be the governor of Arizona.

Yeah, that didn't work out.

She's another, she's another failed news person.

She is.

No,

just like Pistol Pete.

She is absolutely.

And then because there wasn't really the deal with Kerry Lake and the way I understand it, how she even got any part of this administration is that she wanted a much bigger role.

And she wanted to be Kristi Noem.

Right.

And because of, you know, the past news headlines around her.

the administration, there was somebody in the Trump administration who was like, no, she's too far for us.

She's too far gone for us.

And yet Kristi Noem shot her dog and she was elevated to the highest heights.

Right.

So Carrie Lake eventually got placed into this role overseeing Voice of America, just because I think the administration just didn't really want to deal with the tantrum that was about to ensue from her if she didn't get a place.

So they put her in charge and that's a sense.

how she got there.

She was an anchor in Arizona for

quite

some time.

Not a super popular anchor in Arizona.

She thought her popularity would propel her to all these multiple offices.

Let me just be

clear.

But she's a lunatic.

She didn't just lose these races that she entered.

She

was

demolished in all

of these

races that she entered.

And so with this, the judge ruled that VOA's parent agency was

being run unlawfully and ordered over a thousand employees back to work.

The journalists argue that the damage to credibility and independence has already been done.

Now, if you're not familiar with Voice of America, this was created to do exactly that.

This was created to deliver factual nonpartisan news and stand up to propaganda and to authoritarian countries.

For decades, this has literally been a symbol

of telling the truth.

Right?

It's been the symbol of telling the truth where others couldn't.

And what's striking is that people working there probably never thought that they were going to have to fight for the same principles that they've been reporting on for years and years.

Now, some of their specific claims include political appointees influencing the coverage, banning certain topics or guests, and even punishing journalists who pushed back against that sort of censorship.

Well, it is becoming a government mouthpiece.

That's what they're claiming.

That's what they want.

That's what they say.

That's what the government wants.

That's not what the voice of American journalists want.

This should be a big deal to everybody.

It should.

And this is not alarmist.

But just look at history for a little bit.

Look at countries where the press became limited.

And I don't have to run down the list for you.

You can do it yourself.

A lot of you probably are drawing those parallels anyway.

But once you cannot expose the truth, you are in a lot of trouble.

And when the message only comes from one place, you're in a lot of trouble.

It goes all the way back to when we were kids and we read the story of the emperor with new has no clothes It's it's a basic message.

We all learned and anybody who's gone into journalism You know and I'm not talking about you know Bloggers and content creators.

I'm talking old-school journalists you fact-check you fact-check you get to the bottom of the story your whole goal is the truth and maybe

when you get to the truth it's not what you thought it was going to be when you started that story but it is the truth and the facts are out there and then the public gets a chance to judge because how can you make a decision if you don't have the facts if you're if you're looking anything in your home anything in your daily life before you make a big decision right you're comparing this product to this product or this neighborhood to this neighborhood or a school district you you do that in every other aspect of your life

But we're not afraid to give that up for the sake of the country.

It doesn't make sense to me.

As somebody who's been in journalism for a really long time, if journalists are not able to do their jobs freely, we don't get the full story.

And if that information is being filtered or it's being shaped by people in power, that becomes harder to hold everybody accountable.

And that's essentially what it is.

And this administration fears accountability more than cats fear dogs.

It is 648 right

now.

That was not

a

good analogy, but it was the last one I had.

It's all I had.

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Skating Entitement of Jamie's Marriage

right

there.

That's, wow, that's fun.

Listen,

you

take whoever you

want.

What would be the boss

here?

Sometimes he has to shush me.

Wow.

All right.

Well, listen, whatever happens in your home, that's on you.

That's up to you guys.

We're not here to, we're not here to investigate.

We're not here to disappoint, which is the question.

Have you ever admired somebody and they turned out to be a huge disappointment?

Maybe you had a run in with

an athlete or a celebrity that you reelect or you met, you believed wholeheartedly in a politician and they completely let you down.

As a kid, I was

Fixated and fascinated and loved Bill Cosby albums.

I mean

that Parker albums are black vinyl discs that you would play on a turntable

There

are four legs on the table and you put wheels on the bottom of you have to spin it

Well, it depends if you have a giant console record player like my grandma did which was the size of a Buick Then yes, it's got legs on it.

It's it weighs about 700 pounds But yes records are how?

people used to consume music and a lot of comedy.

And so I had all these Bill Cosby albums.

And I love them.

He was a great storyteller.

And that's kind of how I patterned my stand up.

I tell stories rather than jokes.

But yes, well, we all know what happened to Bill Cosby.

And now

A woman who accused Bill Cosby of sexually abusing her for more than five decades ago, rather, was awarded $19.2 million by a Southern California civil jury on Monday, an attorney for the plaintiff.

released that information.

Punitive damages are still pending in the 2023 lawsuit filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court in Santa Monica by Donna Motsiger, who accused him of sexual battery alleging that he abused a server whom he met at a Northern California restaurant in 1972.

Now,

as you can imagine, like he has been doing throughout the entire dramatic

story of how this is all played out.

Yeah.

Cosby, who is now 88, has denied any of these allegations.

And in fact, in a statement, a former representative for him said that Cosby was deeply saddened by the verdict, which he said sets a dangerous precedent to, quote, allow decade old allegations presented without evidence or proof to stand.

No, I don't think that's how it works.

No, I think there's usually evidence and or proof

after this many years and this many stories of

how he victimized these women time and time again in the same exact way.

There's proof.

There's proof.

You just have to believe the women.

This kind of goes back to what we've been talking about during the whole Epstein files, which, by the way, those have been swept under the rug now with everything else.

Yeah,

they're still out there, folks.

Don't get

quiet about those.

Well, here's the thing.

This was a civil case.

So

that

means usually a civil case comes after a criminal case.

We already know he's been convicted criminally of this.

So it's hard.

Here's a question for you, Jamie.

Can you...

separate the art from the artist, because I think back, as I was preparing to talk about this, I was thinking back to having the bits and the stories and how much I loved them.

And they'd still, like, I can't separate it now.

I can't

go and

listen to those those comedy bits because they were by a guy I didn't know was a monster.

Right.

And I think that I think that's the tricky part, because if you really do enjoy the

the comedy of Bill Cosby you have to, but I think with everything.

Or what about the

music of Michael Jackson?

Well, there is that.

You know, and we have that conversation in our house all the time.

My kid is a huge Conway Kanye West fan as far as the music goes, right?

That's what you're

going to say, Conway Twain.

I almost did.

I almost did.

Kanye West.

He's a huge fan as far as his artistry and his music.

He thinks Kanye West is a horrible human being.

But

he's

like, I can appreciate what he does musically and what he puts in.

into his music, his writing, because he said at that level, for what he does, he's a genius, but he's like, he's an awful person.

However- Maybe

comedy and music are different though.

Perhaps.

Comedy is a

much, comedy I think is more personal because the person is representing this as their real self.

Right.

Yes.

Whereas music, you can hide behind whatever.

Yeah.

So

maybe it's maybe it's a different story there.

Yeah.

And I don't I don't know.

But I remember like I grew up with Bill Cosby, right?

America's dad, the Cosby show.

You know, you go back to even Fat Albert and the gang.

And it was one of my favorites.

I watched that as a kid.

I watched like all of the Cosby show

episodes.

I spy.

He was the first

black

actor to anchor a major network show.

And and now we have we have a man who is, you know, who has been

convicted of several separate cases.

And remember, he's had cases overturned as far back as 2021 after a state Supreme Court vacated sentences, finding that he was denied protection against self-incrimination.

So I think that's what he keeps falling back on is, well, there wasn't proof.

Well, yes, there was.

These women, multiple women, have said the same thing about you over and over.

And it makes you...

Not a great human.

Makes you actually pretty disgusting and abysmal, but you know, here we are.

Laugh it up.

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There's stuff we need to know this big news from yesterday.

I can't believe it.

But why shouldn't I believe it?

Because

It's America.

Mark Wayne Mullen will serve as Donald Trump's next Department of Homeland Security Secretary, elevating the U.S.

Senator, who's never introduced a bill, never done anything, to helm the agency at the center of the president's controversial immigration enforcement effort and an ongoing shutdown.

The Senate confirmed the nomination Monday night, less than three weeks after Mullen was tapped by Trump to take over from the battled Christie Gnome.

Final confirmation vote was 54 to 45.

with GOP Senator Rand Paul voting no and everybody's favorite not really a Democrat Democrat John Fetterman and Martin Heinrich voting yes.

In other news headlines that you need to know today Harley Davidson Motorcycle Company is laying laying off part of its global workforce we can confirm that some employees have been notified today of a reduction in force that is impacting our global workforce that is what a company spokesperson said yesterday the company did not elaborate on how many employees were

impacted, Harley Davidson reported in February that in 2025, in 2025, a profit of a total of $339 million, a 26% increase from just the year before.

And in Wisconsin, federal judges ruled in favor of the state and a coalition of 20 other states that challenged a declaration by President Trump's administration to limit access to puberty blockers, hormone therapy and other care for transgender children and adolescents.

The U.S.

District Court in Oregon issued a ruling on March 19th blocking the declaration made in December by U.S.

Health and Human Services Director Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Call said in a statement,

federal government should be respecting people's freedoms.

Secretary Kennedy shouldn't be attempting to stop patients from making their own medical decisions and he certainly shouldn't be overstepping his authority to do so.

So federal judge upholding that.

And finally, the U.S.

economy was supposed to start the year fueled by an unusually large jump in tax refunds from President Donald Trump's tax cut legislation, yet spiking gas prices are on track to eat up those refunds.

Next spring is projected to be the largest tax refund season of all time, the president said in December, but that was before the Iran War.

Oil and gas prices have soared since then, and the nationwide average price of gas reaching $3.94 per gallon on Sunday.

that's up more than a dollar from just a month earlier.

Lower and middle income households are likely to be hit particularly hard because they receive lower refunds while spending a greater proportion of their earnings on gas.

And so that leads us to the next question here this morning,

Brian.

We would love people to chime in and we'd love to hear from you in your particular area of the state.

1-855-752-4842-185575 Civic, what are the prices in your location right now?

And...

are these rising prices going to change any of your plans?

Because this is where we start to look at, hmm, how do we save some money?

And if you were with us earlier, I mentioned that my Crosstrek filled that up yesterday for the first time in a couple of weeks.

It was $35 when I filled up two weeks ago, over $50 yesterday.

Yeah,

and I was up 40 cents from a week ago.

It is rough, and it is spring break season.

Yes.

According to

to some new studies about 23% of Wisconsinites plan to travel for spring break.

Good for you.

They're gonna, 37 are gonna take road trips.

That would be nice.

35 are saying beach vacations.

Those are the most popular choices.

But we know it's gonna be one.

Going to the airport right now seems like a no deal.

That's not happening.

But travel prices are going up everywhere.

Gas prices are averaging $363 here in Wisconsin, more than a dollar higher than a month ago.

National prices nearing $4, I've seen a lot over $4.

Airfares also expected to increase due to higher fuel costs.

That and, like I said, add in that thing.

Now you had the question, how high do prices have to go before you can change your plans?

For day-to-day, I don't think there is it.

I mean people have to get to work.

That's the that's the problem.

Yeah for discretionary travel it might change, but if you've Let's just say for example you made reservations to go to Disney World kids over spring break I don't know where you got the money good for you.

You've been saving up since they were born

You can't get that money back.

You sunk that cost, so you have to still go even though everything's going to be a nightmare.

If you were just going to drive up north, you can justify, all right, well, we're going to bring lunch in the car, and that'll cover it.

So people will always find a way to do the things they want to do.

They'll just have to make adjustments.

I don't think there's ever a price that we will...

Will stop right because How what are you gonna do just sit at home?

You can't go to work.

You can't right can't go anywhere

I think it's interesting.

I was having a conversation with a good friend the other day and she lives in the Twin Cities and she and her husband Work in the same vicinity in in the downtown area and so they've they've actually adjusted their schedules a little bit This is one of those things that people are doing to change because they were taking separate cars in he would leave at like 8 a.m.

She would leave around 9 9 30 they come home at separate times So they've adjusted their schedules to the point

now just to save just a little bit of gas money because they have about a 25 minute commute and traffic because it's a metro area gets a little tight sometimes so they've adjusted to the point where she now leaves at the same time he does because his schedule is a little gas is a little bit more rigid than hers so she actually goes in when he does she walks a couple of blocks that from their parking ramp now because her parking ramp was closer but she's like now I just walk the couple of blocks and she's like we've made it work that

so we're commuting together.

That is a compromise I would hate to make.

And she said it's not going

to work every day, but she said we're able to do it at least three days a week.

And Minneapolis also has a great train system.

I know other cities do too.

There's a lot of public transit in some of the cities here in Wisconsin.

So I also have friends in some other metro areas of the country that are like, eh, I don't usually do public transit, but I'm going to do more public transit.

more trains I'm gonna try to do

buses

more often just because they're trying to keep down those gas prices just a little bit with some of their own vehicles because it

is true

yeah

and you see

How quickly it's gone up has been the shock.

Experts are saying, listen, if you're going to change your plans, you've got to plan ahead.

That's the main thing.

If you're going to the airport, we talked about this yesterday.

It bears repeating.

My daughter is coming in tonight with her fiance and they're flying out tomorrow.

And guess who gets to take them to the airport?

That's right, Dan.

But I may have to take them.

Their flight's not till tomorrow night.

I may have to take them right after the show tomorrow.

Yes.

I'm sorry.

You need to get to the airport 12 hours ahead of time.

That might give you just

enough time to get through TSA at this point.

Yes.

You go through TSA, get yourself a sandwich and get right on the plane.

It's going to be a nightmare.

It's just, uh, yeah.

And like I said, experts are also saying, and I love the experts who speak.

like we already have.

Bring snacks instead of driving through.

Bring, you know, limit your spending.

Choose a free, free activity.

Where do you find it?

Free activities.

I mean, you can stop.

You could go if you're going to a national park once you get in.

You can hike around.

You can see all that for nothing.

Of course.

But I also think about some things.

We have a couple of things that are on our schedule that we need to travel for.

And we were looking at the price of flights over the weekend.

We love to fly out of Madison because it's always very convenient.

We've been able to do that in the past.

The other day when we were looking for flights for my husband to be able to go a couple of days ahead of me if this is something we choose to do later in the

in April, he was like, I can't even get a flight out of Madison until like the end of the month, until the end of April.

We're not even talking like in March.

We were talking the end of April.

He's like, there are absolutely no flights in that direction that I can purchase at this moment in time flying

out of

Madison.

So

he's,

well, I don't know if it's just the TSA.

I don't know if they've had.

Yeah, they're limiting flights.

Maybe I don't know.

Maybe those are just, it was a very popular destination.

He needs to go to Las Vegas for the National Association of the Broadcasters Convention, so maybe...

Oh, is that right?

That's why he's going to Vegas?

Yes, so maybe Vegas is really... Not to see Backstreet Boys at the Spear?

No, no, not this

time around.

He did

want to go... I finally said something Parker recognized.

What?

He

did contemplate getting tickets

to

see the Wizard of Oz at the Sphere though.

So that was part

of the

conversation,

but I don't

know if he's going to do that or not.

But he was looking at, he's like, I think it might be cheaper if I actually drive to Minneapolis and fly to Las Vegas because the flights out of O'Hare were also incredibly expensive.

And you know, because now we're looking at a point where if you've got one of those trips,

Do you start thinking about is it worth driving?

Is it worth sitting there waiting?

Is it worth paying the gas prices?

Is it worth paying the increase in what the plane tickets are going to be right now because of these prices?

So

at this point, to be honest, I would drive pretty much anywhere in the continental United States rather than fly.

Yeah.

The thought of the thought of having you stand in line.

What word do we say?

Was it Atlanta that was four and a half hours to stand in line?

Are you out of your mind?

No, there's not a chance I could.

Well, and to your point about your husband, maybe

driving to Minneapolis to fly out.

That's why my daughter comes here because they live in Pittsburgh and it's much easier to get a lot of places and cheaper to come to Chicago.

Plus she can drop her dog off and get free boarding.

It's

a perk.

It

is a perk.

I did a little investigating.

If you are going to be doing any sort of air travel and you want to look at the smaller regional airports throughout the state of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Madison, Appleton, even during the busiest times, you're looking at about a 30 minute wait time.

That's approximate on average.

Milwaukee and Appleton tend to peak early as far as those wait time lengths at around six to seven in the morning.

Madison's rush hits a little bit later, right around nine to 10, where you're going to have a little bit longer wait.

So manageable, but pretty, pretty typical.

Once you get into the larger hubs though, it's a different story.

At O'Hare, the same nine to 10 a.m.

window can mean closer to a 45 minute or longer wait.

In Minneapolis, the busiest time isn't even during the day.

It's late at night around 10 to 11 p.m.

with about an hour wait time to get through TSA

right now.

People are trying to flee.

I

guess, I guess.

Gotta get out of

Minnesota.

airports, road travel.

I mean, I think everybody's gonna have to kind of, you're not gonna probably cancel trips altogether, but I think people are going to really start thinking what makes more sense now with these gas prices.

719.

Well, if you're hitting the road, drive, drive, drive carefully.

Don't just sit in the left lane and play on your phone.

But that's a whole other conversation.

I was gonna say

carefully.

Okay.

No, no, Jamie, come on.

Quickly, quickly, keep it moving.

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It is time to talk about something that has nothing to do with gas prices or President Trump or anything.

We're going to dive into pop culture with our senior producer, Frank.

How are you today?

I'm good.

We've got some.

Decent stories one.

I've been looking forward to just decent one.

I've been looking forward to a couple of months.

Normally you show much more

enthusiasm for these stories.

So I have stories.

All

right.

Let's hit it.

All right.

Swipers say I'm going to read some pop culture headlines.

Brian and Jamie are going to have to decide whether they want to stay and hear more about it or swipe on to the next one.

If they can't make up their mind Parker will be the tiebreaker.

Let's move on.

Story number one, a female artist is sued by a production company.

I'm going to swipe.

Also, yeah, I don't care.

Swipe.

Okay.

I just get sued all the time.

They do.

Fans are not happy.

It

looks very