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Another big day, chock full of things to talk about.
Let's start.
This is a big weekend as far as the Epstein files go.
Big two days, I guess.
Today is Thursday.
Tomorrow, Friday.
That's how the days of the week work.
Thank you.
I'm starting out slow with our facts today.
case people a little groggy I know all week for some reason all week I have not known what day it was last week when we had Monday off it wasn't as bad as this week I'm like wait what day is it it's a garbage day is it that it's Thursday so today in the Epstein file saga Hillary Clinton yeah is going to testify
Yeah, she will give her a deposition today and then tomorrow Bill Clinton will give his deposition and those are not the only big the Epstein it should be a big story every day into a lot of people it is but there's so much tsunami of misinformation and stories and things and outrage there's there's too much
for our little brains.
Now, when it comes to the Clintons, the sessions for the House Oversight Committee, because those negotiations have finally come to an end, and this is what they've settled on.
The sessions will take place near their home in New York.
They'll be transcribed.
They'll be filmed.
Republicans say the goal is transparency and accountability for the victims.
Is it though?
Is it relief for you?
I think this one's gonna be interesting because that's just it I mean even if it's videotaped are we ever going to know the full scope of what they actually said because of how?
the Republicans in this case have basically, as you mentioned, redacted, covered up, not put out all of the correct information.
I
you've got two smart people going into this hearing and going into this deposition and I'm sure between the Clintons and their attorneys they have gone over every possible move and swerve and everything that they can do to make sure because their goal is for everything to be opened in the files.
They want to go in because Bill Clinton
He hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing.
And he claims that he has not done anything wrong, even though he is in there hundreds of times.
It mentions in the files.
And so is Hillary, but those are mostly emails from when she was running for president
I'm guessing so as well.
And again, these are two powerful people who have, I'm sure, very good attorneys also on their side.
John chiming in over on our Facebook page this morning says, hopefully the Clintons will be taping it also.
I'm going to assume that there's probably some sort of provision in there.
Maybe they're going to call for the release of the tapes.
I don't know.
The depositions are just, I think, the start of what we're going to see from the Clintons.
I'm going to assume that there's going to be more out of their depositions as the next few days and weeks roll on.
That's my assumption anyway.
And if anything comes out from the other side that is not accurate, it's out of context, whatever it is, they will not hesitate.
to make sure that the record is set straight.
And again, if we've got some folks listening that are like, well, are you afraid that he's going to go?
Nope.
If he's found guilty of any wrongdoing like that.
He's got to go, he's got to go too.
globe.
so now that that's out of the way so that this is going to be interesting by the time we come back on Monday
Both of the Clintons will have done their depositions.
There will be information coming out.
That will be exciting to talk about.
But they are not the only ones.
The Epstein files go to the Ivy League too, Jamie.
I couldn't get into Harvard,
As
to Jeffrey Epstein.
Now, he's been on leave since November.
Newly released files, though, show that his name appears hundreds of times detailing years of contact between Summers and Epstein, including visits and email exchanges.
Now, he previously called this relationship a major error in judgment.
Oh, you don't say that Ivy League education.
Now, Harvard is saying it's reviewing individuals named in the Epstein documents.
Summers was also banned for life from the American Economic Association over the ties.
He stepped down from open AIs board.
His resignation follows that of Nobel Prize winner Richard Axel, who also stepped down from a leadership role at Columbia University after Epstein Connections served
in these newly released files.
If Larry Summers is stepping down, fine, but here's what I'm going to point out.
If you zoom out for a second, how many of these powerful people are directly connected to Donald Trump that keep popping up in these files?
Think about that
for a
It's not just the president, there's presidents, there's billionaires, there's academics, there's political insiders, and...
one by one, especially in the European countries, they're quietly starting to step aside.
Or if you're the former Prince Andrew, you just get arrested.
And it's not as quiet, but you have to think about the people and the ties that we're starting to see as we find out more from the Epstein files.
And if you are prone to conspiracy theories, which I try not to be, but sometimes you are piggybacking on what you just said, all right, does that have anything to do with who
Is in the cabinet now or who was appointed before of was there was there influence and pressure to put somebody in?
And it can go wild.
This is how people
Let's talk about that for just a second, because Pam Bondi has a pretty sordid history with Jeffrey Epstein and the president.
Now, to be clear, she was not the Florida Attorney General when Epstein's controversial 2007-2008 plea deal was negotiated.
That was handled by federal prosecutors.
She didn't take office until 2011.
By then, Epstein had already served that sentence.
Florida's Attorney General doesn't directly prosecute most criminal cases.
that's handled by local states attorneys.
So there's no court finding that Bondi interfered.
But there are political overlaps because in 2013, a PAC supporting Bondi, if you remember, back to your history, that PAC received a $25,000 donation from the Trump Foundation about the time that her office decided not to join that lawsuit against Trump University.
The Trump Foundation later paid a penalty over the donation.
There was no legal authority, though, that said that there was
is any quid pro quo involved in that.
And then about 2016 is when Bondi became a very vocal Donald Trump supporter.
This is actually fact.
There is there is meat on this bone.
Right.
And again, I'm always cautious about diving into the facts.
The facts do do line up and it becomes at some point it's
too hard to ignore all these coincidences, just lining up one after another.
But yeah, then, well, and it's also hard not to say, well, if you're the attorney general, does there always have to be documentation if you exerted some pressure
on your
10 years.
She's
So
she's been an attack dog for the president, which also leads me to believe, and this is just my opinion, that she does know how to basically cover things up potentially for this president and to make things go in a way that he, that most appeases him.
I mean, if that's how we want to put it, because we don't know what's all happening behind the scenes.
That's where my mind starts to go.
This isn't over though, because there's more reporting that came out on these Epstein
It's insane because the NPR is reporting that the Justice Department may not have released all the Epstein-related documents that reference allegations against the former President Donald Trump, or I should say the current President Donald Trump.
You're projecting, you're wishing it.
I was like,
Exactly.
More than 50 pages of FBI interview records appear to be cataloged in Justice Department logs.
They're not publicly available in an online database.
One of the files involves a woman who told the FBI that when she was about 13, Jeffrey Epstein introduced her to the current president.
I'll get my facts straight in the early 80s and that she was sexually abused.
FBI records show agents interviewed her multiple times.
None of those interviews are actually public.
There was a second woman who
who later testified in the criminal case against Ghislaine Maxwell.
She told investigators she met Trump at Mar-a-Lago while she was a minor, being abused by Epstein.
The Justice Department, this is where it gets interesting, says that there are absolutely no records that were withheld for political reasons and that any unpublished documents are privileged, duplicates, or tied to ongoing investigations.
That sounds fishy because The New York Times also published a report, a review that found that key FBI
memos related to a woman who accused both Epstein and Trump of sexual assault.
Those are missing from the Justice Department's public document release.
She came forward this woman in 2019 after Epstein was arrested.
She alleged that she was assaulted in the 80s when she was also a minor.
So, you know, a lot of things missing, Jamie.
Again, the redaction, whether just by pen or by physical omission,
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and I don't but I'm glad I'm happy he's doing but their challenge the lawsuit challenges major changes to the federal childhood vaccine schedule that the Trump administration just
Just on lease, the lawsuit was just filed February 24th in California.
It names, oh, health and human services secretary, Robert F. Kidd.
I don't know why you're coming after me.
I bought about, did you see me with Kid Rock?
I
A Bada Chara has defendants.
So Bada Chara.
Yeah, that's, I still,
am amazed that there are so many people who since the big autism outcry years ago that vaccines caused autism which for the record they do not there has been there have been countless countless
scientific studies that show no correlation between vaccines and autism.
But that started the whole everybody doing their own research, everybody coming up with a theory.
And it came to a head with COVID where the vaccine, oh, we don't don't tell us what to put in our bodies.
And Jamie, you're old enough, and I
am definitely
That's what you did.
You got your MMR vaccine.
You had your kids vaccinated.
We had our daughter vaccinated.
She's perfectly healthy.
I'm as healthy as I can be based on my lifestyle.
So there's nothing... I don't understand this.
And then for Kennedy and the CDC to cut back...
What I
a
I got COVID.
Well, I didn't get COVID.
I didn't get COVID during COVID.
Right.
I got COVID after.
And yes, but.
I didn't I didn't get really sick because I had had the vaccine just like with the flu.
If I happen to get the flu, it's a much less serious
case.
But people who wouldn't know a tile wouldn't know a acetaminophen from ibuprofen all of a sudden knew exactly what every vaccine held because they read some stupid thing online.
They didn't vet it.
And now now instead of the CDC
and the Health and Human Services Department saying, this is what's best for you.
These are, if your children are going to school, they're required to have these injection, vaccine injections.
They're, well, you know, sometimes the parents need to be in, and yes, parents need to communicate with their kids, doctors, but not to the point where they go, you know what, that polio vaccine, don't trust it, don't give it to my kid.
Oh, measles vaccine, we see how that's working out, not well.
So,
There's a point where parents' judgment needs to be overridden to a point.
And
Yes, people have freedom to make decisions.
But the part that we leave out or a lot of people leave out is that freedom comes with a responsibility.
And your responsibility is that you live in a community.
And if you don't get vaccinated and you don't get your kids vaccinated, you put other people at danger.
It's not just you making a choice for you because let's be honest, you don't live in your house and never leave.
You don't have everything delivered and left on your porch.
You interact with society and we used to care about society and we don't anymore.
So yes, we have freedom.
But it's just like spider-man said Jamie, and you know I love
With this particular lawsuit, Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Call calls the changes dangerous, saying they can make children sicker and strain state resources.
The lawsuit actually challenges Kennedy's decision to dismiss the federal vaccine advisory committee and appoint new members.
The Trump administration says that the move they're making here just brings the US more in line with other countries vaccine schedules.
State officials here in Wisconsin, though, in case you're wondering, say they will continue following recommendations from the.
American Academy of Pediatrics, and this lawsuit in particular is asking the court to block the new vaccine schedule and invalidate the new committee appointments as well.
So that is what your attorney general, by the way, if you're wondering what he's doing all day at his office, these are the types of things that he's getting involved in to keep all of us safer and better, right?
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Kind of keeping things, keeping things the same.
Jamie, yesterday we gave a shout out to a corporation, which we don't usually do.
We gave a shout out to Anthropic, which is an AI company, because Pete Hegseth and his defense department bros had given them a warning that said, listen, if you don't give us complete control of your AI, meaning we can do whatever we want with it in the legal sense
of
And Anthropic and its CEO said,
No, you can't.
We're not giving you complete control.
We're going to put in some guardrails because we don't agree with how this technology could be used in the future.
We can see the perils if left unchecked.
So we are going to keep this in line.
And then, unfortunately, yesterday, completely separate from the Defense Department.
But anyway, now the company founded by OpenAI Exiles, people who used to work there, but wanted things to be safer.
They were worried about the dangers of AI, so they started their own company.
Well, now they're loosening their own core safety principle, saying it's in response to competition.
It has nothing to do with the Defense Department and our contract.
So I retract my Atta Boy from Anthropoc.
I gave them a hearty full-throated Atta Boy yesterday.
that is retracted.
This is
But they're calling it responsible scaling policy.
And earlier that policy included those safeguards that the company would pause training more powerful AI models if their capabilities began to outpace its ability to really
fully understand or even control them.
That pause requirement has now been completely removed.
Instead, Anthropic is introducing what it calls a frontier safety roadmap.
The company says that this new framework will be more flexible and adjustable rather than binding commitments.
It will set public goals and regularly published reports, grading their own progress on risk mitigation, model capabilities and safety planning.
Now, Anthropic... I don't
Now, Anthropic is saying that these changes, the only reason they're doing this is because it reflects the reality of today.
AI race.
So the company originally hoped its strict safety posture would inspire a broader race to the top across the entire industry.
Now they're arguing though in this blog post that that hasn't happened.
In their view if responsible developers slow down while competitors push forward aggressively the outcome could actually be less safe overall.
Now remember the policy shift is
After that meeting, as you mentioned, with Higgseth at the Pentagon.
Now, according to sources who are familiar with what happened in that room, Pete Higgseth gave anthropic CEO, Dario Amade, a deadline to pull back certain safeguards by Friday, so tomorrow, or
risk
Yeah.
But there
You can still keep your ethics in the soul of your company and your protections and ramp up because sooner or later,
even if your competition who is not keeping that same self-regulating guideline in place, they will be found out.
And as long as you haven't gone out of business or fallen so far behind that you cannot be seen as a suitable alternative, you'll be okay.
And I don't know enough about the tech industry to say how, I mean,
Are they, are we going to start seeing this more and more because they don't want to be targeted by this particular administration?
Right?
We've already seen this administration target news media.
We've seen this administration target universities.
And if you want to be a viable company, especially in the tech industry, you can't constantly be looking over your shoulder that this administration is going to come after you for some sort of retribution because you didn't do something they wanted you to do.
Right?
And so you have to think about the fact that some of these businesses may start altering how they actually operate, what their ethics are, because they're literally afraid that they're going to be attacked and basically put right out of business because of this administration.
And I know the business of business is to make profit not only for yourself, but for your shareholders.
It's to drive innovation.
I know all of that.
But I also know that if you sell your ethics,
You can't buy them back, right?
So if and this usually I accuse you of being the Pollyanna one, but this is where I'm like, okay.
Yes.
In the short term, you're going to get your 200 million, which is nothing to sneeze at.
I don't I don't discount how
that can
But you'll get the money in the short term, you'll get perhaps some short term favor from
either the Defense Department or the administration, but one day those people will be gone and then you just like everybody else who kowtowed to them will be judged on what you did.
And did you stand firm?
Did you stick to your ethics?
Are your new customers going to see that or are they going to see the company that gave in?
And maybe, see, this is where I get a little downtrodden that maybe it just doesn't matter.
And that could be where we're living now, that it doesn't matter.
That ethics and standing up for what's right don't matter.
Um, ironically, uh, and one of the things that he said to me is he said, is it neo fascism or is this just modern day politics?
And I said, I hope this is not modern day politics because I long for the days of George Bush and Dick Cheney at this particular point in time.
Right.
And we've, we've talked about that on this program as well, but I, I actually long for the days when.
politics was normal.
We'll put that near quotes because it's never been normal, but we are living so far out of what we actually know and understand at this point.
And the pressure on these companies, the pressure on Congress or the lack thereof, I guess, if you're Mike Johnson, but we are living so far out of those norms that it feels like, it does feel like the wild frontier a little bit, right?
Well,
The argument about AI and the debate over AI and its uses and its potential dangers and its ability to make things better should not be political.
This is something, yes, I want Congress to look into it just like they look into social media, just like they look into anything that affects the American people.
But you add on this extra layer of ultimatums and pressures and now it becomes, am I
Am I hesitant of AI because of its connection to this administration?
Am I hesitant of AI because, as you guys say, I'm a boomer who fears technology?
I've used chat GPT.
You know.
I'm convinced.
Listen, you.
Let's
No should
the companies who do want to operate with, and they use the word soul, not me.
That's their word.
If they want to, they should be able to operate in a free market without having the pressure from the administration that if they don't kowtow and tow the line, they're going to be out of business.
I mean, let's be realistic.
When it comes to AI, there are so many unknowns.
I don't know if any of them feel, it doesn't feel like any of them are the perfect specimen of a company.
right?
So because I think there is so many unknowns right now.
But when it comes to, you know, what we were about, uh, anthropic, they were actually in this race with open AI to release, uh, enterprise AI products that were aimed at dominating the workplace market.
And now there's been this pressure from the administration and it really makes me go back and also wonder, why is Pete Higgs, Seth?
Why does he want this so badly?
Why is he
putting
There are so many levels to this.
Listen, if you and I don't understand it, AI's complete potential, I know Pete Hegsett doesn't understand it.
And when the people developing it are saying, we still don't know.
Right.
Well, it's like these people who suddenly know everything about medicine.
Suddenly everybody
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Do you remember if you went to college and you graduated, so two big ifs, do you remember your commencement speaker?
Because in reality...
Does anybody really care about the commencement speaker?
Because back when I was graduating, and Jamie, I'm guessing, now it's all celebrities.
Now
you
You get big hot shots.
You get actors.
You get big politicians.
Maybe you get a former president.
They come in, and it's all about headlines.
And then they give the same inspiring speech that your local congressperson would have given if they had been your commencement speaker, but they don't have the hoopla.
Not Rain Man style, but you know what I mean.
Anyway, Marquette, you know Marquette University.
Lovely.
Well, they announced that Chris Duffy would be their commencement speaker.
And if you don't know who Chris Duffy is,
I didn't either.
He's an AI expert.
He's also a graduate of Marquette.
Well, oh my goodness.
This has some Marquette students in an uproar because students have nothing better to do when they're not studying for finals than getting an uproar.
Listen, they have a right to have an uproar, but...
They're just they're
Well, Duffy works on artificial intelligence strategy at Adobe and he's spoken widely about emerging technology and leadership.
The choice though is, as you said, the students aren't happy.
In fact, they say inviting an AI leader conflicts with Marquette's Jesuit mission and human-centered values.
Their motto at Marquette is be the difference, which is rooted in Jesuit human-centered values, critical thinking, ethics, and even service.
Others worry about AI's environmental impact, its effect on creativity, and the shrinking job market graduates are also about to enter.
And of course, students were also frustrated that AI tools were discouraged in class, yet now there's an AI executive who's going to be their graduation headliner.
Duffy says his work focuses on using AIs to support not replace human creativity.
Sure it does.
First of all, I spent four years with the Jesuits in high school and a lot of propaganda, but we'll leave that aside.
Secondly, AI is here, friends.
And the reason you go to college and your parents or you spent a lot of money to get this degree is so you could broaden your horizons and open your mind.
AI is not the boogeyman.
AI is here.
If you want to use and put the Jesuit mission,
into practice, you need to know about the product, you need to know about its potential, you need to know all that, to then mold it, going back to what we were talking about in the last segment, so you can mold it to fit those principles.
And it can be done.
But to say that an alum who is very, very successful and a noted expert on this is not fit to talk to you is a close-minded boohoo, I'm a little baby kind of deal.
And that's why people look at
progressives or college kids
note
that artificial intelligence is becoming a major part of society and that ethical development aligns with the school's mission.
I think this, though, is just a reflection of or an easiness about AI, because national survey after national survey shows that
good majority of us are increasingly and easy about how quickly we feel AI is starting to reshape society.
But it's not going away, as you mentioned.
So I think at this point in time.
Marquette in particular, since that's who we're talking about, not JoJo Siwa over at Harvard Business School.
They're preparing students for a world where technology is going to be basically embedded in every part of your industry, right?
If you're looking at it from that perspective, inviting somebody like Chris Duffy who works in ethical AI development, I think that's practical.
I also think it's necessary.
And if the school wouldn't allow you to use AI to do your homework,
and have it involved in the class.
That's good.
You have to know how to do stuff on your own.
I had to look it up.
It was Julie Anding, who was on the Harley-Davidson board for 25 years or so.
had zero idea who she was, and I still don't really know who she is after reading about her.
That's fair.
And I remember mine only because I worked in the SIUTV station and radio station, and she was always on.
Virginia Marmaduke was the grand dam of Illinois journalism for a long time.
So she spoke.
I couldn't tell you what she said, not one word.
And the year before Molly graduated at Tulane, there was a huge uproar from parents because they were going to have Hoda Kotb.
be the commencement speaker who grew up in New Orleans.
Yes.
And who has accomplished a lot.
Oh, parents were not.
Other places are getting presidents.
We get the Hoda copy.
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