Brandi Grayson is joined in-studio by Dana Pellebon, executive director of RCC, for the hour. Brandi and Dana check in with each other and kick off the show with some spoken word, shouting out black women. What is it like to work in their spaces, here in Madison and Dane County? The conversation includes aspects from a recent piece by Sabrina Madison at Madison365.

From there, Brandi and Dana discuss how colorism impacts the work the are doing in these spaces here in Madison. How can we as a community address these problems? Dana shares reading recommendations from Madison's piece, and a couple of her own as well. But it is important to remember that not everyone that identifies as black are treated the same in the world.

To wrap up the show, Brandi and Dana talk about what it is like to raise sons and help them navigate our schools. What happens when the focus is on behavior and not relationships? Brandi shares her thoughts.

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