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Good afternoon, everybody.
Tom along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer in the six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.
Welcome into hour number two of the big broadcast here.
It is Thursday, November 13th, 2025.
It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite.
Welcome, everybody.
Glad to have you along here from the world headquarters of Civic Media, downtown Madison, Hyattop State Street, a block off the Capitol Square.
at the intersection of state and Fairchild, Zomers.
Hour number two, thanks for being with us.
I'm gonna be having a what's worse for you here shortly, a little Wisconsin fun fact.
And a little bit later this hour, a little bit more serious than we are sometimes in hour number two.
But really important, I think, to take a listen to this, this was posted a couple of days ago.
And I'm not exactly sure what town it was in the state of Oregon, but a 16 year old Latino guy kid who he's an American citizen.
And he went to a city council and he testified what it's like being a Latino kid in the current conditions under the Trump administration, Oregon.
And I think this is repeated, unfortunately.
all across the country right now to want to take a listen to that and then get some other information as well from you get your opinions on it, I guess.
Uh, let's take a look at it.
The old Sam Davidson street cam on state street right now.
Beautiful fall day.
Gonna be nice weather.
Next couple of days for fall and then back down into the forties by next week.
Look at cars going by a skateboarder.
See lots of great skateboarders downtown Madison.
Beautiful, get out there and enjoy the weather, if you can.
All right, it is coming up on eight minutes.
And by the way, tomorrow on the show, I believe our old friend Peter Rapun,
We weren't sure if that was going to happen, but is it?
I believe it is.
Excellent.
And tomorrow happens to be our third anniversary song.
Yes, it does.
We've made it three years.
How about that?
So looking forward to celebrating that with all of you.
So be here.
It'll be our third anniversary show.
It'll be a special show too.
And in the words of Andy speeds, my old teacher from not old, but my former teacher from the seventh grade algebra, it's always good to pause and reflect, pause and so tomorrow on our third anniversary of the show, we will pause and reflect.
Please join us.
It'll be great to have you along.
All right, it is nine minutes past the hour of three o'clock time once again for the Wisconsin Fun Fact.
A Wisconsin land of beauty.
With your hillsides and your plains.
A little bit more.
With your jack pine and...
This
right,
Wisconsin fun fact for November 13th.
All right, on this day, on November 13th, 1858, Hellman Brewery, one of Wisconsin's best known breweries and makers of old style, and was established by John Gund and Gottlieb.
Heilemen.
I, I, when I say helmet like mayonnaise, I messed that up already.
It's Heilemen.
Heilemen brewery, Todd.
Sorry.
Uh, I need you glasses.
Heilemen brewery, one of Wisconsin's best known breweries and makers of old style was established by John Gund and Gottlieb Heilemen.
We invite you to mark this occasion with us by going to the bathroom.
Wisconsin fun fact.
How about that?
Did you ever have old style?
It's just, I would say a slightly maybe one step down from Papst.
Blue Ribbon.
Which I mean, they're fine, Wisconsin beers, don't hate them.
Absolutely.
I would prefer a Spotted Cow if it was up to me.
All right, 11 now past the hour of three o'clock.
Why don't we just go right into it today, Zomers?
Time once again for What's Worst?
Here we go.
Once again time for what's worse nothing give away no prize But he involved is your chance to be heard on all ten News talk in sports stations across the civic media radio network.
All right category timely Timely indeed zombers perhaps perhaps never timelier than today As our friend Mike Lucas, so we think he'd be our friend if you was on the show a great admirer of his work at Badger athletics
It is a sports writer.
All right, category today, timely indeed.
Too much to do, not enough to do.
Too much to do, or not enough to do.
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Anyway, I get off the subject there.
What's worse too much to do or not enough to do too much to do
or not enough to do, 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.
And I appreciate for those watching on the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Twix, what used to be Twix, Twitter.
It used to be Twix, I said.
Thank you.
Craig Ferguson.
who had the Late Late Show on CBS before he was essentially let go on CBS.
I still follow him on his socials.
And great comedian, great host.
I think one of the best Late Night hosts ever, Craig Ferguson, on the Late Late Show.
And he's one that I think coined the phrase twix.
It's not Twitter, it's not X, it's Twix.
I thought that was pretty good.
Which I like.
Yeah, me too.
But if you look on the card here, the graphic that has been provided to us by co-executive producer Chris Pauls,
the too much to do is an individual and she's wearing glasses and she's like, her head is down to the table, she looks exhausted.
And then the other person, she is looking straight into the camera and she looks frazzled, I think.
So too much to do, you're exhausted, not enough to do, she looks frazzled.
you and me both buddy too much to do or not enough to do eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two Let's go over the old phone lines and Jim in Brookfield listening to be on WAUK walkie-shot Milwaukee Jim You are one of our longtime listeners got to be you and your wife down there along with zombers at the old no packers no life world premiere in walkie-shot earlier all
appreciate you calling in Jim too much to do or not enough to do what's worse
not enough to do because when there's too much to do you always get something done regardless and you give your best shot you're always productive you'll get things done when it's not enough to do you're always in this standby mode and when time goes by you feel like you've wasted an afternoon or a day so to be productive always have too much to do
I agree with you.
Thank you very much for your call.
Thanks for your listenership.
Always appreciate it.
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Give us a call here at the Old Pacific Media Radio Network.
What too much to do or not enough to do?
That's the question here.
Lots of the text coming in off of the old text line.
Len in Madison listening on WMDX, barring the extremes of both, too much to do is probably worse for one's health, both mental and physical.
Well, that's a good point too, right?
You know, if you really, truly have too much to do, that could be stressful mentally and physically.
That ain't no good.
Oscar listening on WMDX in Madison says, too much to do,
means that your list of things that were supposed to get done is incomplete, now you feel disappointed and ashamed.
Well, speaking of ADA, HADHD, right, Somers?
Yeah, we have a comment on YouTube from John saying ADHDers have an issue where if we have an appointment at like 2pm that lasts an hour, our whole day is wasted.
I wish I could disagree, but that's exactly how it feels some days.
Absolutely.
Well, you're like, oh, I can't start something because I have this appointment.
And if I start something that I'm going to be late for the appointment and then you get back and you're like, well, now I only have five hours left in the day.
And that's not enough to do anything.
It is.
But it feels like it.
So unfortunately, we'll often be late to things.
And I'm not saying it's going to be late, but people will say, oh, you're being disrespectful.
And no, it's not necessarily that.
It's just that in our brains, if it's
10 minutes before a meeting, it's not now.
And then when it is the top, oh geez, now it's now.
And so we just have a unique way of trying to deal with things.
Brett in Brown Deer, listening on WAUK, not enough to do is definitely worse.
Too much to do keeps me busy, but I hate boredom.
I quit a good job because I was too bored, really.
I'll be fascinated to know what that is.
I know
Well, right AJ in Madison listening to the MDX too much of anything is No good now that's or George Clooney great actor was on the Sunday morning CBS is Sunday morning
great profile last weekend.
And he said everything to moderation, including moderation.
I like that.
Interesting.
Yeah.
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Olly in the Northwoods is on the line.
Olly, too much to do or not enough to do, what's worse?
Well, I can't really give you an answer to that because we were
as kids born to have too much to do.
Our dad was of the opinion, never put off today what you'll have to do tomorrow.
Oh, it's nice and sunny and it must be close to 50 degrees
Welcome back to the Tottenham All Show on the Civic Media Radio Network.
Now, 22 past the hour of three o'clock.
Glad to be along with you on a Thursday, November 13th, 2025.
Aaron Zommers, the incomparable, fantastic Aaron Zommers on the board playing the hits for you, hit after hit.
Do you ever think Zommers about getting like a nighttime gig, DJing?
You're that good on the board.
Mr. Smart Guy over there.
I appreciate that.
All right.
We're right in the middle, right smack dab of middle, you understand, of what's worse today.
Too much to do.
or not enough to do.
That is the category today.
Too much to do or not enough to do.
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Our own Parker Olson.
Mr. Olson is the producer of the Pat Kratlow show.
Morty's a Pat Kratlow every morning from six until I can't, I keep messing.
How long has it been?
The name has been changed for like six months.
I still keep calling it by its old name.
It's, you know, change is difficult.
Yes, yes, it is.
But it is constant.
Parker Olson on the YouTube says, I've never felt so seen.
I'm assuming now, Parker, I want to put words in your mouth.
But are you like Zommer?
We've been very open on the show as Zommer's eye that we both have ADHD that our brains think in certain ways and you operate in certain ways.
And one of those traits people have ADHD is you tend to be late.
because in our minds, it's either now or it's not now.
And so that's just the way we think, subconsciously.
I'm not saying I'm always late, but many times, especially if I'm doing something or writing something or if I'm with someone, I think, well, I could stay with this person, have coffee a little bit longer, and then I'm being late for the next thing.
Parker says about like a half an hour, think.
thing taking up the, oh, I see.
Repeat that, Zommerz, what you said earlier.
It was, yeah, that one of our other viewers on YouTube was saying that ADHDers have an issue where if we have an appointment at like 2 p.m.
that lasts an hour, our whole day is wasted.
Because at least for me, you think, oh, I have this thing.
I know if I start doing a project, I'll get sucked in and be late.
So I will do nothing until the appointment.
And then after the appointment, you're like, well, I just spent the whole day doing nothing.
And then this appointment and you feel bad about yourself.
I think Parker's absolutely fine.
Pat Critello.
Although, man, I mean, I could use more things to do.
So maybe I can help Pat out.
Well, we'll see.
8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2, 4-8-4-2.
Off the text line on WMDX in Madison, Paul, in Madison says, it depends on what your situation is right now.
The other is better.
Other meaning what?
Not enough to do?
Not enough to do.
In my mind, there's always stuff to be done.
But physically anymore, I'm getting old, man.
It takes too much time to do anything
dog.
I don't know takes longer to do it Yeah,
How are things out there?
Nice
There is your weather forecast from Richland County from Whistler.
We appreciate it, Whistler.
Thank you so much for calling up there in the old hometown, the old home county, the Driftless.
It feels like home because it is Richland County.
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Len in Madison on WMDX, this is fantastic, says, speaking of procrastination, National Procrastination Day is always announced as yesterday.
Too much to do or not enough to do?
You know, it's difficult because not enough to do is harder to conceptualize.
I think I'm going to say... I don't know.
I'm going to say too much to do.
Really?
All right.
Don't know it's hard because like I said one of them I'm having trouble even picturing what it would be like to have not enough
I've been blessed to do jobs by large that I love to do, whether my time in the legislature, in the U.S.
Congress, being in a radio, you know, now in my 20th year of broadcasting.
I always, I mean, even when I'm stressed out, have a lot to do, I think, well, you know, you can be doing nothing.
Now
All right, come on back.
Going to play you a great, well, a powerful cut from a young man who is an American citizen on what it's like being a Latino in America today.
Pursuing truth wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.
Welcome back to Tahoe Ball show on the Civic Media Radio Network.
It is now 35 minutes past the hour of three o'clock.
Glad to have you along on this Thursday, November 13th, 2025.
Aaron Zommers on the board.
I want to get into this a little bit because
Talked a lot about this on this show before big issue of immigration out there And I think whatever the issue is right.
It's always better at least in my mind to understand things if you can as the late great judge Weisman from Tennessee was fond of saying Put it down there where the chickens could get at it And this individual is on where it's helped me out because I don't have the clip in front of me right now
I don't think it says which city council this is in front of, but it is a city, perhaps Portland, in
But it's in the state of Oregon where Donald Trump and the Trump administration have ginned up, and Christie Nome, with her Botox and hair extensions and all, have ginned up the ICE machine, and are making it untenable in some conditions, and really basically walk around in the streets as a Latino person.
And it's easy for us, I think as
Non-Latinos.
I'm a white guy And well, how does this feel how does this affect you?
So I was I was like two minutes long ish something like that Something like that or something somewhere on that so bear with me.
I understand it's a little bit tough to to listen to but just bear with me and and listen to this and Just remember this is somebody's son This is somebody's grandson.
This is somebody's nephew
This kid is an American citizen and he had the hutzpah to show up at a city council meeting and testify before the city council in the state of Oregon Roll the clip, please arms
How you guys that I'm scared for my parents to walk out there To walk out their house because I might not be able to say goodbye to them if they go to work.
I might not ever
be able to say bye or see them again if you guys don't side with us and I'm scared because of it because they fought so hard to come here and choose a life for their kids and I really hope you guys do hear what everyone in this room has been saying and I hope you guys do side with us because we are fighting for our rights and we are getting treated like animals because people judge us by the color of our skin and the way that we talk and we have
a president that acts like a child and doesn't side with us because of the way he thinks about us.
And we have a police department that doesn't do anything about us and that we are here fighting more than they are.
So I hope that you guys actually do hear what everyone in this in this center is hearing or talking about so you guys can side with us and listen to what everyone's saying because everyone is scared.
I'm scared that I'm never going to be able to see all my friends again.
I'm scared that their parents are going to be
gone one day, I'm scared that all of us are going to have to defend ourselves.
And I'm scared that one day at school that I'm going to get held by people that I don't know, people that are covered, people that I can't identify because they wear masks and they don't properly ID themselves.
I'm scared that everyone that I love is not.
I'm not going to be able to see them again because.
Even though that they're US citizens, they don't care about us.
They treat us like dogs.
They treat us like animals.
No one here... No one here cares about us because they're cut of our skin.
So I'm asking you guys, every single one of you guys that are sitting up here, to actually hear us and do something about it because I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of...
Telling my mom and dad every day after school that have you seen the new video of ice pulling someone over because the color of their skin I'm tired of everything.
And I hope you guys really do do something about it because I really do want something to change because I should not live like this as a 16 year old.
I shouldn't be scared.
I should be focusing on school when I came and focus on school.
My assumption is Portland.
I don't know that to be true.
But it's in the state of Oregon by a 16-year-old young man who had the courage and the I mean imagine that Imagine the courage it took To live in that fear and yet have the courage and conviction to come before in public in front of a city council and say those things He is an American citizen his parents are American citizens
And he is petrified to go to school.
He is petrified for his kids or for his parents to leave the house.
Every day, leaving and not knowing whether he'll see his family again.
And then we wonder, oh, why do they have low test scores?
Why aren't they showing up to class on time?
Why are they not getting their homework done?
He's just trying to be a 16-year-old kid.
He should be enjoying homecoming or marching band or football practice, hanging out with his friends, playing video games, going to a movie.
That's what that kid should be doing.
And to have to worry about on a daily basis whether he or his family will see each other every time they leave the house.
That to me And so I'm gonna let you weigh in the second That to me is the most poignant testimony I have heard yet on the ramifications of what the Trump administration is doing to this country It's fear it's creating fear Fear to go about our daily lives fear to speak out fear to be honest
Fear to tell the truth Fear of just being who we are Whether that's Latino a person who's Latino a person who's black a person who's gay a person who's trans a person who's white a person who's straight a person who's married a person who's single What what a great guy I went out with for a while
He taught me that.
You can learn something for everybody if you just listen.
Because I used to say, and I still do probably, still say things like, you know, well, you know, we have a bunch of Latino people here, or, you know, the gay community here, or, and he taught me, he used to tell me we're all people first.
I thought it was so cool.
Like, that's a small thing we can do, but it's how we contextualize how we think and how we speak.
And if you lead with a person who happens to be Latino, a person happens to be black, a person happens to be gay, we're all its people, right?
And this administration, more than any in my lifetime certainly, has brought this fear.
And that young man had the courage, even within that fear, to step forward and speak out on behalf of himself and his parents.
Summers
Yeah, I think I think he Is very brave very proud of what he did and I think you nailed it there, too And I think what we need to remember in order to use this this powerful emotion that I think anybody who heard that must be feeling Is that the people who we elected need to hear these stories?
Yeah, we can't let
the people who side with Donald Trump and just do his bidding and then try and hide from their constituents, we can't allow them to hide.
They need to know what's really happening, see the videos of people being taken over, see the videos of people like this young man sharing their story, their everyday experience, and know that not all of our elected officials, but for some of them, that their actions are causing this.
And it's not just this kid, it's a lot of people.
I hope that if you heard that testimony today by this kid, we just played and you can go to a podcast or Facebook or YouTube and watch and listen to it again.
I mean, just listen to the fear in his voice and that is amplified times thousands, not hundreds of thousands of people across this country who are American citizens.
And who are living in that fear and that's part in my opinion of what the Trump administration wants to do make us afraid to speak out I'm just a big believer and this is something I owe my mom quite frankly Mom taught me as a kid Even though I had a speech impediment To say the truth and she said as long as you know that what you're saying is true and right
Don't ever be afraid to stand up and say that And it seems so simple right and foundational But it's one of those things that I remember being taught as a kid by my mom Which has stayed with me And which has been a foundational tenant of this program for what will be three years tomorrow It's not magical.
I don't have any
great insight into broadcasting or marketing or communication.
But at least I not not at all things like cleaning my room as a kid.
Maybe that now is part of ADHD looking back.
But it was one of those things I had this comment.
I had the sense at least to listen to my mom and have carried that with me throughout my life.
Haven't necessarily always lived up to it.
But but that one thing I've been pretty good at.
simply just telling the truth and saying it as long as you know that it's factual.
And this kid that we just played, obviously he has similar parents who said, speak up, be heard.
And I think that's the takeaway from this.
We'll be interested in your phone calls, 855-752-4842.
855-752-4842.
There's a lot of screeching that goes on today, right?
In this industry, talk radio, in television, certainly, by pundits, online, certainly, right?
But I hope that all of this will take a moment and listen to what that kid just had to say that we played for you.
That he shouldn't have to live in fear.
And how do we address that?
Certainly going to the ballot box next year is going to be fundamental.
That's our one big chance, you guys.
Protests are grand.
I'm not here to bag on protests, right?
It's our First Amendment Constitution right to protest as long as it's peaceful and respectful.
But we all have the ability.
You don't have to have a microphone.
You don't have to have a daily talk show every day.
To say the truth you can bring it up to your friend group Thanksgiving don't get enough don't get in a family argument.
Well Todd said to say the truth But the little things right when we hear our race is common when we hear a homophobic comment when we hear a trans comment Anti-trans common, you know, hey dude lay off on that.
All right.
I'm a big believer that we make a powerful difference individually I Have the great
blessing of having a microphone for me every day.
But each of us can make a bigger difference if we just talk the truth to the people around us.
And I admire that kid so much and applaud him for having the courage and the hutzpah to stand up in front of his city council and simply say the truth.
And I think he'll make a difference.
And if all of us do the same thing in our own communities all across Wisconsin, we'll continue to make a difference.
All right, come on back, 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.
Gonna wrap up the show today.
I'll look forward to tomorrow after this on the
by Mike Clemens, our great sports reporter, and then another fine edition of the Maggie Dawn Show every afternoon between four and six.
Maggie Dawn followed by another great edition of Nightlight with Pete Schwabba, the Schwabba-nater.
Very good.
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Roger and Stephen's point listening in on the show.
out of the Great Station, WFHR, says, hey, Todd, I believe the 16-year-old that testified is from Hillsboro, Oregon.
Thank you very much, Roger.
I appreciate that.
So we played that clip, and if you didn't hear it, go back and listen to the podcast or the YouTube channel.
Took a lot of courage for that young man, 16-year-old, to come forward and...
Testifying front of the Hillsboro, Oregon city council what it's like being a Latino person in today's day and age particularly With all the ice goofiness that's going on these days Come up tomorrow Zombers by golly We have our third anniversary.
There will be cake tomorrow Zombers.
I was gonna leave it to me a surprise tomorrow, but we have cake ordered
put the order in earlier this week, so there'll be a third anniversary show cake from Batch Bakery.
Ooh, they make good stuff.
They make very good stuff.
It's a big.
Third anniversary lala palooza like none other you will not want to miss it all kinds of Great happenings and maybe a few surprises tomorrow as well.
So be with us tomorrow.
That should be a lot of fun Also, what else we got going on?
Oh here a little sports update.
I forgot this earlier Badger football team, of course traveling to Indiana coach signetti and the Indiana Hoosiers down there in Indiana
I, again, I'm not giving any sports betting information, but I'll be shocked if the Badgers can keep it within 30.
I hope I'm terribly wrong.
Yeah, same here.
So we'll find out Monday whether I was terribly wrong or not.
But Indiana is hosting the Wisconsin Badgers 9 AM for the pre-game show broadcast on the Civic Media Ready Network with a kickoff, I believe, for around 11 o'clock.
Local time here in Wisconsin.
You can hear it Badger football on our great stations W F H R in Wisconsin Rapids W L A K in Amory also to be R C E in Richland Center W R P N in Ripon, Wisconsin home of ripping good cookies.
Well, it used to be and W J M S out of Ironwood, Michigan.
That's right
Wisconsin Badger Sports is now in Ironwood, Michigan.
How about that?
They're taking over, little by little.
Little polko polko, as they say.
Polko polko.
So, we'll kick around, it's Jane Matt.
I love the fact that Jane says that sort of phrase, so I gotta give her, I believe she has it patented.
kick around.
So we'll kick around Wisconsin.
Literally, maybe I'll bring a football in for the third anniversary show.
We'll kick that around Wisconsin at Indiana tomorrow.
Maybe we'll see if Brandon Ewing could join us tomorrow.
That
If he's hearing this for the first time, I expect a text later on tonight, Brandon.
We'll see.
So that's coming up on this weekend.
There'll be a great game in the Badger basketball.
I believe there's an action next week.
So Badger hockey men's hockey is going on and that is tomorrow night Friday the 14th Ohio State here in Wisconsin at the Cole Center 6 30 for a broadcast time that is on the FHR Wisconsin Rapids and WJMS in Irwin, Michigan Badger hockey team women's team rated number one right now in the country and man I think we're a tent something like that
They're having a great season.
Not bad at all.
And there's a
There was a great article today on Mark Johnson, the coach for Badger Women's Hockey, and nobody does it better than Mark Johnson.
I believe eight national championships now for this guy.
I mean, absolutely incredible.
And in this article I read today,
which I can't bring up right now for some reason.
He was saying that he's at the point in his life where it's not so much about continuing to win.
He's really passionate about mentoring people and helping people, which I thought was extraordinary.
I mean, that's who you want leading the team.
It's exactly who you want leading the team.
And so maybe we'll talk a little bit more about Mark Johnson tomorrow.
Here it is right here, as a matter of fact.
Of course, now we're almost out of time, as it turns out.
But it's at uwbadgers.com.
I would encourage you to check it out.
I believe it's a free article.
It says, Mark Johnson still enjoying the legendary ride.
And Coach Johnson discloses in here that his wife about a year ago was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.
And his first thought was, well, I'm going to retire and take care of her.
But it got medical help.
And now she's doing great.
or at least relatively so.
And so he said, I just want to keep doing this as long as I can, mentoring other people and making a difference.
Well said, Coach Mark Johnson.
And don't we all.
Zabbers, many thanks to you, my friend.
Great job today on the board.
Many thanks to all of our callers out there as well.
Be here tomorrow, folks.
Not going to want to miss it, our third anniversary show.
We are going to celebrate like it's 1999.
I actually remember 1999, unlike summers.
It'll be a great show tomorrow.
Please be here.
Not going to want to miss it until tomorrow.
This is Todd.
Remember, folks, whatever you're fighting for, whatever you believe in, do not give up.
Keep bagging your drum.
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