Jay Rothman Isn’t Done Demolishing The Wisconsin Idea (Hour 1)

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Good afternoon, everybody.

Tyler Malt along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer on the board.

It is Thursday, November 6th, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite.

Welcome in, everybody, at the intersection of state and fair child downtown Madison at the Old Pacific Media World Headquarter.

Glad to have you along with us on a Thursday, an overcast fall day.

Mr. Zommers, I would call it a typical fall afternoon.

Is that fair?

I

would agree.

I would agree.

I think we have

certainly arrived in

jacket weather.

Yes, it is absolutely jacket weather.

As we take a look at the old Sam Davidson street cam down there on State Street, a little fuzzy.

I'm not sure if it's the camera lens or the

window.

Maybe the

window, maybe a pigeon.

We had last year, you remember a bird.

We had malted feathers all over the window.

I hope that wasn't the case.

I hope we have not sacrificed a bird here.

But you know, the windmills is all the way.

It's the windmills.

The windmills and the sharks.

Exactly right.

So anyway, but no, it's a nice day.

Went over to Wonderstake a little coffee.

It's a little jacket weather, as we're fond of saying, but whatever you're doing today in Wisconsin, enjoy it.

Get out there again.

Snow coming.

I don't think anything super measurable, not talking a half a foot or anything, but maybe a dusting.

We'll see, as we used to say, enough to track a cat.

You ever use that phrase, ours?

I

think I have.

I mean, well, I know I've heard it.

Yeah.

And I believe it was also before knowing you.

I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty sure I already

know it.

It wasn't just a tantism for Mitchell and Center.

I think.

All right.

Yeah, that's what we used to say growing up.

Is there enough to track a cat?

Is there enough like on the sidewalk where if a cat walked through, you can see the footprints?

So we may get a little bit of that, but the main thing, going to get cold.

cold this weekend.

So be prepared for that temperatures.

I think we're going to bounce back a little bit next week, but maybe not to the degree of which we've been seeing here.

It's been a very nice fall across the, uh, the state of Wisconsin.

Big show.

Hope you stay with us coming up at the bottom of the hour after the farm news report with Pam Yankee Midwest farm report.

We have, uh, Mr. Dan Schaefer, the political editor of civic media and the founder of the recombobulation area.

And boy, howdy.

is there a lot to re-cobobulate about Dan's gonna be in to give his thoughts on the elections and other places this past Tuesday?

What it means in terms of folks running in the state of Wisconsin in 2026, also gonna take a little peek at the old Marquette Law School poll.

And I wanna look at issues that Dan, because he highlighted this and not, everybody was looking at the sexy head-to-head numbers for candidates, which turned out to be not that politically sexy at all.

But there was more information that Marquette law school poll on issues and Dan pointed this out I want to go through this with him and again what it means in terms of Wisconsin politics Also, perhaps talk a little bit about whether Mandela Barnes former Democratic lieutenant governor is gonna get in this race for Wisconsin governor this time and also nobody knows Milwaukee better

that our own Dan Schaefer.

He is Milwaukee through and through.

So we'll check in with Dan on how the city is doing after baseball season.

Are they are they've settled into Bucks basketball now?

Are they are they no longer fearful that Yannis is going to bolt?

And what else is happening in Dan Schaefer's life?

So it's always fun.

It's like sitting down for for a cup of coffee or a glass of bourbon with your favorite friend who knows everything and could just explain it easily.

Yeah, it's always very informative.

It's very refreshing.

It's very there's there's another word for it.

What is

it?

Recombobulating.

Yeah, that's what it is.

We'll recombobulate with Dan Schaefer at the bottom of the hour and hour to Wisconsin.

Fun fact, a little egg edition of what's worse in hour number two.

Also going to tell you which airports that Donald Trump and Sean Duffy star of the real world.

who is now the secretary of transportation.

True story.

They're reducing capacity at some airports.

But there is one group of travelers that will not be affected.

We'll tell you who it is and we'll find out whether you are one.

We'll also give you news you can use, recommendations for if you do have to travel over the next few days as the federal government continues the longest shutdown in governmental history.

Republicans just remember.

My former party, which I left in 2011, controls the Congress, both houses, the House and the Senate.

They control the presidency.

And for all intent and purposes, they control the Supreme Court.

But yet the government remains shut down.

Folks are not getting paid.

Food stamps have been cut off.

People are going hungry.

But here's the good news.

We in Wisconsin are not buying into all the crap.

going in DC like we always do.

We're taking the bull by the horns and so proud and so thankful for all the great Wisconsinites who are stepping up to the food pantries, who are donating, who are donating money, who are donating resources, who are donating to the humane shelters because a lot of people can't afford to either keep or feed their pets in these times.

So Wisconsinites are doing what we always do.

We say the heck with what's going on, those goofballs in DC, we're gonna take care of our own and encourage each and every one of you to continue to do that.

Also shout out before I forget to WFHR, who's celebrating their 85th anniversary this weekend.

Great folks up there, we did the show up there again a month or so ago, maybe two months.

It's just a great group of people, WFHR, Wisconsin Rapids, their local folks who are committed to their community.

And I'm so proud of them.

I'm so thankful to call them colleagues.

So congratulations to all of them.

And tomorrow we're going to be speaking of another great war rural station in our network.

Going to be at WRC, EWRCO talking about the driftless economy.

So hope you will join us then.

Here is where I want to start today.

And look, I just back when I used to be in politics.

And I guess summer is maybe to a degree.

I still get myself in a little trouble.

I tend to get myself, I guess you would call it good trouble.

Uh, as John Lewis used to say, because I ask questions.

I say, well, I just, I'm just asking questions.

You understand?

That's all I want.

I've just got questions.

Todd values honesty and, you know, communication, just understanding what's happening.

I try.

And again, I'm not perfect by any

means.

by

ask questions.

And for those of you who have been in this program, since it came on the air, it'll be three years next week.

After about a month we were on the air, so not even, not even.

We got word from the then new president of the UW system, Jay Rothman, that they were going to close my alma mater, UW Richland in Southwest Wisconsin.

And we ended up doing a three hour, we were three hours at that time, we did a three hour on location show out there.

And thus began, look, I didn't plan this, I didn't ask for it, but because something I know something about, and I care, I know a lot of people within UW System, know a lot of people still at the Capitol, I started asking questions.

So we've been doing a ongoing three year investigation of the University of Wisconsin system.

Now they go by the universities of Wisconsin.

I just refused to call it by that name.

It is still UW system Since that time, what are we up to down as our six or seven of the 13 two-year campuses have closed?

We saw the attempt by Republicans in the legislature to take away 87 million dollars from UW system During the budget process we helped shine a little light on that and the cuts thankfully were not

as much.

And I've said this before, I want to make it clear up front.

I am not here to say that there are no efficiencies to be found in UW System.

There are, like almost any part of state government.

But what bothers me about this issue is like so many things in our state when it comes to government, the lack of transparency.

Things happening behind closed doors.

Without explanation.

The University of Wisconsin system is a public university.

It's, you know, Madison is a land grant university.

It goes all the way back to President Abraham Lincoln, signing the Land Grant Act, giving monies to states for schools, particularly in agriculture and affordability and raising people's educational levels.

It's a land grant university that people are meant to be involved.

And yet under this president, Jay Rothman, this Board of Regents, now the majority of whom have been nominated and confirmed, nominated by Democratic Governor Tony Evers and confirmed by the Senate, lack of transparency.

And I've said before in this program that some of our best reporting in the state is coming from student newspapers.

And these, I don't think they should be called student journalists, they're just journalists who happen to be in a student newspaper.

And so I wanna refer you to a couple of stories, I'm gonna give you before the half hour is out an action item, because there is something being covered up that's coming up this month that you, the public of the state of Wisconsin should know about, and you can participate.

And all I am left with is the assumption, because nobody else can be answers on this, is the assumption that the Board of Regents,

and Jay Rothman do not want you to know this because they have buried it in a memo online.

There is a special meeting of the Board of Regents coming up this month that could determine the future of the remainder of the two-year campuses in the state and lead to the legislature controlling the curriculum for every university, two and four.

year across the state.

So I'll break this down for you a little bit here.

This comes to us from the Spectator News.

Spectator News.

If you're not familiar, it is the student newspaper at the University of Eau Claire.

Headline Board of Regents proposes general education requirements across universities of Wisconsin.

The Board of Regents of the University of Wisconsin system has proposed a new policy as a result of provisions in the 2025-27 biennial budget.

According to a UW Press release, this policy will establish, quote, listen to this, quote, a student-friendly approach.

to transfer that will guarantee that core general educational credits earned at one UW University will transfer and apply towards graduation requirements at another UW University.

Unquote.

Doesn't that sound nice?

How nice is that?

Oh, this is very nice.

I bet someone got paid a lot of money to come up with that.

Your credits will transfer.

Back to the story, core general education requirements better known as C G E R. Stay with me.

are the courses outside of students major and minor requirements needed for graduation.

The region policy has proposed the general educational requirements as six broad categories with a requirement of at least 10 to 12 courses and 30 to 36 credit hours.

Let me break this down in real terms for you.

I mean, the reporters do a great job.

But I understand you're gonna tune out real quick because you're gonna be like, Todd, I don't know what the hell this means.

And I don't blame you.

What the border regions IE and Jay Rothman are proposing on the 17th floor of an eyes I refer to that because that's where the president's office is the 17th floor That they're going to change it now so that all four years have to offer Essentially the same general and requirements and they're gonna break these up into six buckets.

We'll call them Anything what's wrong with that Todd on its face nothing?

But when you look into this, what they're doing is they are setting it up to put the final nail in the coffin of every remaining two year campus in this state.

Three years ago, I sat in Richland Center and I said, this is the canary in the coal mine.

If we don't do something about this, every two year university will be gone.

And it is my belief based on my reporting.

than it is about to happen.

I will tell you why, and the connection, and put the dots together on the other side.

It's the Toddleball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

Doing truth wherever it may lead and having fun doing it.

Welcome back to the title show on the Civic Media Ready Network 22 now, past the hour of two o'clock on Thursday, November 6th, 2025.

After the bottom of the hour, Farm News Update with Pam Yonkey will re-combobulate our friend, contributor, and colleague, Dan Schaefer, political editor of Civic Media, founder of the re-combobulation area will be along to talk politics and anything else that Dan wants to talk about right now.

Talking about the hot new story off the presses not gonna find this a lot of places.

I Just like to ask a lot of questions People get annoyed by me and I understand that believe me because why does why does all ball ask so many questions?

This is just the first chapter by the way of our

of this next chapter, first part of the next chapter.

We've been looking into this for over three years.

Ever since UW Richland, the two-year campus there, was announced by Jay Rothman, president of the system.

He was closing it down.

By the way, Rothman never set foot in Richland County, never talked to anybody on campus, never talked to a county elected official.

He sent his flack, Jeff Burrant, who I used to work with on the other side of the aisle to take Capitol, nice guy.

And Brandt was sent out there to a group of about 200 people.

And after the meeting, I said, Jeff, I said, so just level with me.

What's going on here?

I said, first of all, there is a million dollars I heard missing from the foundation allegedly at UW-Plaffville.

And he looked at me.

He said, how do you know about that?

I said, was it true?

And he started sweating profusely.

He sweats a lot anyway.

But he's funny even more and then I said I said why is why is Rothman doing this?

Why won't he come and he just turned on his heel walked out to the the parking lot and I followed him not to threaten you I said Jeff we've worked together answer the question if you want your Boston come on I'd love to have Jay Rothman on and never heard back

And this is what bothers me about this new reporting that we're talking about from the spectatornews.com at UW Eau Claire entitled border regions proposes general ed requirements across the universities of Wisconsin.

At first it sounds like a great idea, but you have to know history as our friend Matt Flynn is fond of saying you're not woke.

If you don't know history, you're not woke until and unless you know history.

The history on the UW system.

My grandmother was the first woman to be a dean to your system So they started off basically like they are today satellites of the four-year colleges Then they broke away the 13 two years into their own college with their own chancellor and the idea was they would have Their own degree the associate degree a two-year degree and if you got that that would be recognized as meeting all general ed requirements Throughout UW system including Madison

And then, as long as you have the grade point, you could transfer to a four year and finish up.

So it was more affordable to stay at home for your first two years and then transfer.

So one of the main points of the two year colleges.

And now six or seven are gone.

And what I believe in my reporting, asking questions with, look, I got people, people like to do this.

People don't like to go on the record.

But they say, well, Todd, you should really look into this.

I'm like, all right, I'll look into it.

I know a lot of people looking all over the state.

And I'm not bragging about it, by the way.

I'm just letting you know that this is just not Todd waking up one day.

Oh, what can I blow my mouth off about today?

No, no, no.

This is based on actual conversations.

I believe that was being proposed by the Board of Regions in what is going to be trying to be a secret meeting coming up on November 19th.

They want to pass this.

so that Jay Rothman then can say, oh look, now you can go to any four year and they have all the same general ad requirements, so we no longer need the two year colleges.

And he will use this as the final nail of the coffin to close the remainder of the two year colleges and hold your hats in the hallelujahs, as they said in Gypsy.

Instead of mama's gonna do it to you, Jay Rothman's gonna do it to you, because reporting that I am now hearing, or in conversations that I have heard, that now they are prepared to target initial four-year campuses for closure in this state and superior year up first.

So if you didn't think this was real, it's about to get real.

We'll talk more about this on if not tomorrow on Monday this great article and the spectator There's also a great op-ed in the daily Cardinal as well today by a professor of humanities Katie Thompson Say that members of the UW Madison community as a member I am deeply concerned about the proposed changes to the university's Wisconsin general and requirements Outlined if this isn't minutiae.

I don't know what is in a region region policy document RPD for X

I mean, how much work can they hide this?

These changes, Professor Thompson writes, if implemented would not only undermine the quality of disaffectiveness of UW Madison education, but also negatively impact students' academic preparation, equality, and future opportunities.

And that leads us to the second part.

In this budget that Republicans passed and Evers signed, there is a piece in this to put it in layman's terms that talks about

Professor workloads.

Oh, we don't we don't want the taxpayer to get cheated because professors aren't working hard enough.

And so we want regulation over that.

Well, what they don't talk about is UW Madison and Milwaukee are two research universities in the state, and they bring in dollars to take a sabbatical to do research for a year or two years at a time.

And so their workloads are different.

But this is the initial cusp.

What was passed?

by the legislature and signed by Evers to start manipulating curriculum.

And the Republicans want to move that curriculum to the right and make it less liberal art studies, not liberal like political, but a liberal like is in, hey, learn a little bit about something, everything.

And here's the kicker.

If you go on the universities of Wisconsin site, not Madison, but UW systems site,

There is nothing on here.

I'm holding it right here about this meeting until you get down to like this 9th 10th question It says what is the role of the region's process and buried in here?

It says the board will consider RPD 4x at a special meeting November 19th.

It is not public knowledge yet, but we're making it public

Hold your hats and hallelujahs, Jay Rothman.

Toddy's gonna do it to ya.

We're coming for ya.

We'll let the public know.

Dan Schaefer is next.

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man.

Milwaukee's best.

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Hey man, what about Milwaukee, man?

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And it lies between the pit of a man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.

What do you think about

Milwaukee?

This is the dimension of imagination.

You are now entering the recombobulation area.

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mean, we need a recombobulation

area.

Everybody needs a recombobulation area.

Welcome back to the Toddleball Show, the Civic Media Ready Network 35.

Now past the hour of two o'clock on this Thursday, November 6th, 2025.

Glad to have you along.

I've been a little hot this last half hour because it's an issue that I care deeply about.

One might say after the last 30 minutes, I'm a bit discombobulated.

But no one better to recombobulate with than the political editor of Civic Media and the founder of the Recombobulation Area.

You can find all of his work and the other great people there at therecombobulationarea.news, the one, the only, Mr. Milwaukee, Dan Shafer.

Todd all about wonderful to join you.

What an introduction Thank you so much the the audio intro the everything else always always wonderful to join you here on the dead all the show

Well, we appreciate it lots to get to today And I just want to wrap up something that what we have been talking about this last half hour and get your quick take on it It

is rather discombobulating I must say

thank you.

It's very discombobulating to me So just to quickly reset in case you're just joining us there is

and I think Dan, you'll appreciate this.

I like to say student journalists in the state should just be called journalists who work for a student newspaper, because these folks are great.

And there's some great new reporting by Isabella Mazzick, the chief copy editor at The Spectator, which is the EW Eau Claire newspaper.

on this issue on the border regions.

Also at the Daily Cardinal, today there is a op-ed by Katie Thompson, Professor of Humanities.

And the quick version is that as a part of the biennial budget that was passed by the Republican legislature and signed by Democratic Governor Tony Evers, they are looking at redoing both curriculum and now President Jay Rothman of UW System, along with the border regions.

wants to redo the general ed requirements saying that the four years essentially to put it really simplistically are going to offer essentially the same general ed requirements so that you can transfer to another four year school and just start your major which on its face most people are going to say great.

The issue I have is that the history of the two-year colleges in the state, that was one of their core purposes.

That you could stay closer to home, or live at home for two years, cheaper, buy a high quality education, get your associate degree, which also met all general ed requirements, and then transferred to any four-year.

Day and I feel this will be the final nail in the coffin for the two years, and reporting, I'm now hearing sources across the system.

that keyword may, the UW Regents and J. Rothman may be now also considering closing four-year colleges, universities of the state, with Superior and Parkside being the most vulnerable.

Have you heard anything about this?

And why have we not heard more about this if you haven't?

Well, I haven't heard that much about this.

The UW system is not something that I spend a lot of reporting on in my day-to-day.

However, I listen to the Todd Alba show.

So I have been very aware of what's been happening with two-year colleges across the state because of it.

And I do think it's a real problem.

And I do think it has been something that has flown under the radar as a major issue in Wisconsin, the closure of these two-year campuses.

I think you've touched on this a lot.

It's just a different way for people from different parts of the state to have pathways to a career, to a college education, whatever it might be.

It's like a national issue to talk about rural parts of Wisconsin or places in the state that have been economically looked over or fallen behind.

two-year colleges can provide a pathway to some economic mobility for people and so I think closing them is yet another challenge that you know some of these parts of the state that have faced some economic instability in recent years are it's not making things better that's for sure and I think the way that you've outlined this too with with how

You know, I was listening before joining here.

You're talking about how this is just kind of like, it's coming up in student media.

It's coming up in, you know, it's not like a highlighted thing or a press conference or anything like that.

You know, I think it warrants more of a conversation.

I think you're absolutely right about this.

I appreciate that.

And really that's what I'm doing right now.

Just asking a lot of questions.

I know I annoy people.

You know that better than anybody else when I ask questions.

And I like to ask questions.

And here's that I'll just two more quick points on this.

From UW System or University of Wisconsin own website, it says, you know, Act 15, core general education requirements and transfer work groups, their purpose, their work group membership updates and way down in the Q part questions.

It says, what is the role of the Regents in this purpose?

And buried Dan in the fourth sentence.

It says, and it is anticipated the board will consider RPD four dash X at a special meeting on November.

19th, which is not public knowledge yet and is flying way under the radar.

And oh, by the way, the period that the border regions and J Rothman set for public comment on this for the general ed transfer policy and workload policy, the general ed comment is open until.

Oh, wait, that closed on November 6th.

The workload policy general comment period is open until the ninth, which is Sunday.

Why let me put this the way Dan You know Powell to expand anybody I know in this state and if there's political hay to be made Somebody's gonna make it and yet Tony Evers who is now nominated the majority of Regents who put this guy in place Jay Rothman Here was his response what Zombers a year ago.

This is as much as Tony Evers has said about Jay Rothman

longer than a year ago.

This is from a question at a luncheon that he had to briefly answer and then move on.

So he didn't even want to say it then.

January 30th, 2024.

January 30th, 2024.

Here's what Governor Evers said about President Jay Rothman.

I anticipate there will be more two-year campuses closed down.

It's going to be painful though.

And I think Jay and the Board of Regents are doing the best job possible.

Doing the best job possible, Dan Schaefer.

Now, what does that remind you of in political history?

What could pot- Oh, Hurricane Katrina, Zomers?

Again, I want to thank you all for- And Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job.

Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!

I mean, the similarities are crazy, Dan Schaefer.

There's I didn't know that was the George W. Bush quote you were going to pull to the yeah, there is there are some similarities there That's for sure You know doing

a

criticizing the job being done and then saying that the guy is doing the job is doing a heck of a job.

Oh boy Now I'm just going to populate it all over again

time.

All right, we'll move on after but your quick take on this Doesn't it strike you as odd?

that the Democrats aren't using this to go after Republicans and say, they're not funding this.

This is why we're closing campuses.

It's all quiet.

And on the other side, Robin Voss is not holding press conferences, standing at the podium and saying, once again, we have decided to close woke dens of indoctrination, and this is our job.

You don't hear that, Dan.

As much as I love to hear your Robin Voss impression, you're absolutely right that there is

You know, it's funny.

Some issues don't cut across traditional partisan lines.

And I think, you know, typically school funding, UW funding has been, you know, okay, Republicans want to cut funding for education and Democrats want to add funding for education.

This one is a little bit different.

Right?

So I think there is, you know, it's kind of like the data centers issue.

It doesn't cut across traditional political lines.

And I think that sometimes paralyzes these politicians into thinking, oh, wait, we got to figure out what everybody's supposed to be saying about this before I weigh in and have actual principles or convictions and say something about it.

I think there's an opening here.

I would like to hear the candidates running for governor asked about this as well.

100% we're going to transition into that just a second.

doing Yeoman's work said, Todd, we're gonna remind listeners for an action item.

Yes, call your state senator, call your state assembly person, call the governor's office, call the 17th floor of Van Nuys, J. Rothman's office, and say, make this information public.

The public, the comments that are here, by the way, are not even public.

You can't even go online and see what the public is saying in the public comments.

and there is something deeply disturbing to me, I don't care which side of the aisle you're talking about, when it is a public institution run by taxpayer money and the public can't be involved.

So- Oh, and they do this, I mean, I've done a lot of reporting about the Wisconsin Department of Transportation.

They do the same thing.

They ask for public comment, and then they make it so that you have to-

put in a public records request to see any of those public comments when they should just be public to begin with.

Get rid of these barriers.

Be open and transparent with these things.

Let's go very quickly.

Jack, we're up against the clock.

I know you wanted to say something quickly about UW System.

Jack and Merrimack and WMDX.

Jack, if you can make it quick, please go ahead.

OK, when I started going to school, admittedly, in the dark ages, tuition was $312.

Wow.

Now, when my son graduated,

It was $10,000 a year.

The second thing is, apparently, this still isn't enough to shut enough people out of a good quality public education.

So now they're going to start to close the campuses to shut even more people out.

These Republicans are an outrage to public education and, in fact, to the security of our country because

a

lot of these smaller schools graduate people that

build our technology base, biotech, they

might even

be in weapons development.

The point is that we can't keep cutting back university education for the masses.

of people and only reserving it to the very rich.

Appreciate the call, Jack.

Thank you very much.

Dan, Jack makes a great point.

These are also economic drivers for these communities in which these universities are.

And I think if we transition to the elections from this last Tuesday, voters seem to be talking about economics and what's happening in their wallets.

That's for sure.

The economy isn't great right now.

We had some bad economic news this morning about some like one of the worst months for job cuts that we've seen in quite some time.

And yeah, I think, you know, I know we're going to talk a little bit about what we can learn from.

those results across the country on

Tuesday, where we

can learn here in Wisconsin.

We had a rare day off from elections.

So we got to watch everybody else freak out for once and not be have to be part of it ourselves.

But I think that's, you know, it's certainly a big story to talk about that being one of the top issues to come out of the election.

And I think there's a lot of frustration with the current administration and the economy in particular.

Trump had really strong marks on the economy in his first term.

That is not the case right now.

That is not the case.

People are very much against tariffs.

We saw that in the polling from the Marquette University Law School last week, too.

Wisconsin voters are very much against tariffs.

They recognize that these are raising prices for Wisconsin farmers and other folks in business.

So I think that's going to continue to be a major issue going forward.

We're talking to Dan Schaefer, political editor at Civic Media, founder of the Reconpopulation Area.

Dan, a couple of minutes left here this segment, but you put out a tweet after the Marquette poll, which you always get the nuance, which is what.

one of the many things I appreciate about you, because they had to head to the candidates, it was like whatever, but there was one of the tweets you put out on the issues and how that ranked.

Talk a couple of minutes about that.

Yeah, so I write a recap of all of the different Marquette University Law School poll results.

And, you know, they rank the issues.

And I think it's instructive here to look at this in just kind of like the one year out from the midterms context.

But, you know, inflation and the cost of living was a major issue throughout Biden's first term or Biden's term, Biden's presidency.

And it ranks very much as the top issue concern.

Nearly 70% of voters say inflation and the cost of living is

is very concerning and 27% of voters that higher than any other issue say it continues to be the most important issue.

So we'll look to that, I think, going forward a whole lot.

When we come back, Dan will tell us in Cordy and Marquette Law School what is the least important issue.

It might surprise you and why it might fail trouble for Republicans in 2026.

We'll recombobulate with a master of recombobulation.

Dan Schaefer with more after this on the Cinec Media Everybody Network.

Wherever it may lead, and having fun doing it.

Welcome back to the Tahleball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

Eight minutes down before the hour of three o'clock and hour number two, a Wisconsin fun fact for you.

Also, what's worse, an egg addition, scrambled eggs, or over easy.

the hard questions here of the all ball show in our number two.

And also news you can use if you're going to be traveling, how can you get through these tough times?

We'll also break down a list of the 40 airports that real world star Sean Duffy says they are going to throttle back.

And so he held a press conference, not just in his underpants, like on Real World, but in a full suit.

And so we'll go over that in hour number two.

Always suited up and ready to go.

The founder of the Reconbibulation Area, our political editor at Civic Media.

You can find all of his work at thereconbibulationarea.news, the one and the only Dan Schaefer.

Gonna be busy at the Reconbibulation Area at General Mitchell Field.

It's get well luckily Milwaukee's airport is not on John Duffy's list of 40 We noted this in today's edition of specific media today.

Go subscribe to that one as well But noted that none of the Wisconsin airports are part of this list of 40 for you know, you know cutting back the number of flights or whatever it might be so still some still you're still able to Recombobulate at the Milwaukee Airport

very good

this ongoing

We

should give a shout out to Ron Johnson and Tom Tiffany.

They don't have the power to get flood relief, femur relief for Milwaukee, Wisconsin, but by gal, they can keep the airports open.

For now.

For now.

Before the break, Dan, we were talking about the Marquette Law School poll that came out last week.

You broke this down in a tweet.

Issues before the break, we were talking about that people across the state are important to them, which seems to favor the Democrats.

Tell us some of the.

issues according to this poll that are not so hot in voters' minds to how that can play out in 2026.

Yeah, so this ranking of the most important issue we talked about before the breakout inflation and the cost of living is by far the number one issue for people right now.

But they had, you know, a number of other things, health insurance, jobs in the economy, gun violence, abortion policy, whatever it might be.

Ranking last on this list of 10 different items is crime in your community.

And now I think this is interesting because the way Marquette pulled it a little bit differently than it typically does.

If you just say crime, it's one thing.

But if you say crime in your community, then you have fewer people saying it's a most important issue.

You see this on a number of times in the Marquette poll where people might be broadly not supportive of public schools, perhaps.

But when you ask about your public school, people are very supportive of it.

And I think it's a similar type of thing about crime in your community here.

You say crime might be a problem more broadly.

points of things that might happen in Milwaukee, but crime generally is different than saying crime in where you live.

Absolutely,

and now we transition into 2026, of course, the Supreme Court race in April, but then these legislative races, Democrat Dan Schaefer, I think they have a shot at the Senate.

How do you see this shaping up a year out?

Well, I think the Tuesday results, you know, we can look at what happened in New York City.

We can look at the governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia.

But I want to look it to the Virginia House of Delegates.

That's right.

So in the Virginia House of Delegates, Democrats went from 51 seats, a slight majority in their 100 seat chamber there, to 64 seats.

So the down ballot impact of what's happening nationally, you know, obviously Virginia, there's a lot of federal workers that are going to be impacted by the shutdown.

So that's one thing.

But I think that also tells us that if we are looking ahead to Wisconsin's midterm, I think there is a real actual chance that Democrats could win a trifecta in the upcoming midterms.

If Virginia is able to get to a near supermajority status, Democrats, they're able to get

near-supermajority status.

I think Republicans in Wisconsin could win a majority.

I think they might be the favorites in the Senate.

I think the Assembly is a little bit tougher, but all they would have to do in the Senate is flip two seats that were won by Kamala Harris last year, and they would be able to win the majority in the Senate.

And then in the Assembly down ballot,

Again, if you're looking at the down-ballot impact of what's happening at the national level, history tells us that the party that's not in the White House is going to do better in the midterms.

If that could be a seismic change for Wisconsin government, if Democrats can get themselves together and really compete for a trifecta right now, because the opportunity is there.

We had State Senator Keller Royce, one of the Democratic candidates for governor here yesterday, a caller in Appleton, Cindy called in and said, I hope based on the results, nationwide Tuesday.

quote, Democrats don't get cocky, unquote, in Wisconsin, she meant.

And Senator Royce sat right here as a Democrat and said, I couldn't agree more.

And that isn't one of the lessons, Dan, especially in these gubernatorial races.

Forget the social issues.

Stick to the pocketbook issues and things that really matter to voters.

Yeah, I think, you know, we don't want to ignore issues entirely, but I don't think you want to overemphasize anything that's not the number one issue.

And I think we're seeing in the polling and across the board here is the economy continues to struggle.

That's the number one issue.

Affordability, inflation, the economy, you know, there's so many issues tied to that.

I think we saw health insurance and housing show up in a market university law school poll is major issues of concern for people as well.

So I think you're right.

You get they can't be complacent by any means, but

has to be some encouraging results from Tuesday.

People can use a little hope, right?

Looking ahead.

Hope is a good thing.

It's Jesse Jackson instead of the 1988 Democratic National Convention.

Keep hope alive.

Love that speech, love that line.

Quick speed round, former Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes, Democrat in or out of the race.

Seems like he's probably headed towards getting into the race.

We will see.

I think he has said that he wants to make a decision before the end of the month here.

So stay tuned.

But all signs pointing to him running at this point.

As you look, Dan, at, well, I'm not going to ask you more political questions.

Is Milwaukee finally calmed down and content that Yanis isn't going anywhere?

Are people just, I see all the speculation and I think he's fine.

He's fine.

He's fine.

It's also overblown.

All the nonsense in the offseason about Yanis.

He loves Milwaukee.

He loves the Bucks.

They're off to a good start this season.

I'm excited for tomorrow night's game.

They're hosting the Chicago Bulls who have had off to a good start.

We rarely have the Bulls and the Bucks good at the same time.

The Bulls haven't been good in a while.

Maybe they'll both be good.

We'll have another regional rivalry, rivalry like we did with the Brewers Cubs all summer.

Not only

good, but great.

Dan Shaver, you can catch him at the RecubobulationArea.News.

Back after this.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media radio network and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app,

Good afternoon, everybody.

Tanama along Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board.

It is six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two of the big program here on Thursday, November 6th, 2025.

It is a great day to be in Wisconsin.

I'm glad to have you along here.

Intersection of state and fair child downtown Madison.

Look outside Zommers.

It seems getting, I guess it's not getting cloudy here.

It's getting darker.

By the way, we failed to mention yesterday was the big beaver moon.

Did you know that?

I did not.

It was a full moon.

And this, they always named, this was the beaver moon.

The beaver moon was rising.

You know what?

That's actually perfect timing.

I know.

Right now I'm wearing my hundreds of beavers hat.

I know you are.

And tonight at the Driftless Film Festival in...

Mineral point they are screening the film hundreds of beavers

see see I just we've

got

Jeff Perry our ongoing contributor and friend on I know he's like he's changed over from Facebook to YouTube This is this is big news in love itself.

He says I used to dance under the name beaver moon

I did not know that.

Now, Jeff, I know you have an extensive videotape collection.

I'll leave it at that.

Now, all these, all these years, I thought when he was going to work on Water Street in Plattville, I thought he was like working at Steve's Pizza, but no, he was dancing.

So good for him.

You know, I have no judgment on it, you understand?

You, you develop, you uniquely develop some very strong muscles from that kind of

dancing.

Yes, absolutely.

Many thanks to Dan Schaefer, our political editor here at Civic Media and founder of the Recombobulation Area for being with us here at Out of a One.

How about that guy?

I mean, he always, he makes you feel better for having to have him on the show and being around him.

That's just who Dan Schaefer is.

He really does.

If you have not subscribed, please do so at therecombobulationarea.news.

I don't push a lot of subscriptions on this show, only those that I believe in.

and the Reconbibulation area is one of them.

So check it out.

He along with Angela Lange and all kinds of other great people, they write some thoughtful things.

Things, yeah, look, you might not always agree, but it's written smartly.

And anybody who listens to this show knows I have an appreciation for anything that's written well.

And the Reconbibulation area, numerous award winner because it's written well.

So check them out at therecombobulationarea.news.

Always a good read over there at the Recombobulation Area.

So thanks to Dan for being here.

Gonna do it once worse here in a minute.

Before we get to Wisconsin, fun fact, I just wanted to thank all of our listeners and viewers in hour number one as we talked about these new changes being proposed on the University of Wisconsin system.

And look, people always use time you're a conspiracy theorist, okay?

will present me evidence that, these questions that I ask about the UW system, I can't find answers to.

So what else are you left to conclude that there is some sort of thing going on that people don't want us to see?

Case in point, these new changes on general ed requirements for all UW institutions, as well as the core curriculum,

it's going to be brought up and talked about in a Board of Regents meeting on November 19th.

And you can't find this anywhere except buried in a University of Wisconsin memo way down under the question that says, what is the role of the Regents in this process?

And buried in there, it says, it has anticipated that the Board of Regents will consider RPD 4-X at a special meeting on November 19th.

and there's listening comment and feedback.

So there's a meeting coming up on the 19th of the Board of Regions, which they don't want you to know about, but I'm telling you.

And the part of the public comment period already ended.

There is another part that goes until this Sunday.

So if you have feelings on this, it might be easier just to call your state legislator, your senator or your assembly person, or call Governor Tony Evers office.

because remember he is nominated the majority of the Board of Regents now.

I would tell you to call the President of the Board of Regents, but I honest to God don't know who that is anymore.

When they were the President of the Board of Regents, that was a big job.

And that person would hold press conferences and everybody knew him.

I can't tell you who that person is right now because you never hear him, you never see him.

They're silent.

And what they're doing, in my opinion, based on reporting, we're still gonna work, we're gonna follow up with this next Monday or our next week as I dig into this further.

You know, Yogi Barrow, you guys know one of my favorite Yogi Barrow sayings is, you can see a lot just by looking around.

That's kind of the way I do things.

You can see a lot just by looking around.

Just talk to people.

Go have coffee with them.

I've told this straight before my former boss Dale Schultz when he was majority leader He'd call the office and he'd say I got to talk to Todd and they were like he's out.

Where is he at?

Having coffee with a reporter or whoever and he'd be furious absolutely furious I got back to the office one day and I called him back and he calmly picked up the phone because he saw the caller ID and he knew it was me and he said

I want you to make a list of everybody in your life who's more important than me.

And we're going to go over it.

That's amazing.

I think you have told that, but it's still great.

And years later, he said, he said, you know, and now I realize why you went and had coffee with all those people.

Because if you go into so much of life, right, it's about relationships.

You get to know someone and you build trust, not through press releases and emails.

You just listen and talk.

And sometimes you find out things, you know, by just talking about hunting or travel.

And then people start talking about other things.

And that's the way I get a lot of my information.

how I look at it is exactly the same as telling the truth.

If you just tell the truth, it's easy because you don't have to keep your story straight.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And if you just be nice to people, you will feel better and you'll get better results.

Exactly right.

So we're going to keep on this story.

I'm a huge believer in the Wisconsin idea because I would not be where I'm at without the Wisconsin idea, without going to it to your college, without going into Plattville.

And it

irritates me that people who are put in positions of power, like J. Rothman, the president of the UW system, and legislators, quite frankly, and even the governor, who I voted for the governor, when he was school superintendent and every time he ran for governor.

But this lack of transparency on this issue, I don't understand it.

I don't understand why they're not involved in the public.

If they want to close all the all the two year campuses, which is looks like where it's headed.

They should just say it and not blame it on low enrollment because that is totally bogus.

Yes, that's, that's real.

The enrollment of these two years is low, but they don't want to talk about what I know to be factually true, that they are undercutting the two years by not providing adequate resources for recruitment anymore.

And the same thing as some of the four years.

So let's just be honest Robin Voss and Devon let me heal on the Republican side.

Let's be honest.

Governor Tony Evers on the Democratic side.

Let's be honest.

President Jay Rothman and border regions.

Let's have an open public discussion on the future of the Wisconsin idea.

It at least deserves to die in the light of day instead of darkness.

It's coming up on 15 past the hour of three o'clock time once again for a Wisconsin fun fact.

That's right,

time once again for Wisconsin Fun Fact.

Hither to Unknown Fact on November 6th, 1837, Burlington, Iowa was chosen as a temporary capital for the Wisconsin Territory.

Construction had begun in Madison on a permanent capital building, and legislators first convened there in 1838.

Since that time, no one from Wisconsin has ever set foot in Iowa again.

And that's how we play Wisconsin Fun Fact.

I did not know that.

You know that's news to me one of my friends went to Purdue.

Oh the chicken or the university the University I think Very good sunny Purdue glad and so I'll have to share this fun fact with her.

I'm very good.

I think it will delight her

Sunny Purdue, but why not Georgia?

You're on Larry King live Jane in Madison

And listening on WMDX says, as a recent retiree from the UW system here, I have been watching the quote unquote reorganizing and dismantling of the UW system from inside since about 2011.

And it is anything but transparent.

Thank you for the topic.

The public needs to be the decider here and decision decisions need to be made in the public interest.

That hasn't been the process so far.

Thank you.

I appreciate that, Jane, in Madison on WMDX.

Uh, let's see here.

Uh, Mary Mount Horab asking on WMDX says, be the former superintendent of schools.

Why is Governor Evers supporting this?

Meaning, uh, these cutting of schools.

I don't want to put words in his mouth, Mary.

A is a good question, but I'm not suggesting he necessarily supports it, but you heard it in his, in his own words there.

He's not actively working to stop it or to quell it.

At least he hasn't given us any evidence of that.

And since then, you know, nearly two years ago, he hasn't said anything else.

Yeah, exactly.

Off the, let's get to Casper's comment here, one of our great engineers, because I thought this was really good.

Casper on YouTube says, let's see here, what if the cure for cancer is locked inside the head of someone who can't afford to go to college?

Another good point.

And look, there are all kinds of debates whether basic public education or basic higher ed, like community colleges or the two-year colleges, whether that should be free or not.

You know, I think Casper says, hear me out, we could do what nearly every other, all other countries do and offer a free public college education.

Yes, that's certainly possible.

That gets into how you fund it.

Of course, one of the ways people have come on this network, patriotic millionaires, start by taxing the one percenters.

But as our guest said it was earlier this week or last week from patriotic millionaires Chuck Collins We're talking about the people that are making forty four zero forty million dollars plus We're not talking about your local farmer or your local small business person.

We're talking about the forty million plus category Hundred million five

hundred million that was last week another part of their message Notably if you tax these people who make obscene amounts of money

Another part of their suggested tax reform is that the first $45,000 are not taxed, right?

There's an

option there too.

All right, come up on 19 past the hour Let's do this quick open it up a time once again for what's worse.

Let's go Time once again for worse nothing give away no prize money involved Just a chance to have your voice heard on all ten news talk sports stations the civic media radio network timely timely indeed times are tough

But the cheap, one of the cheap things out there to have dinner, eggs, eggs.

Today's category, what's worse, scrambled eggs or over easy eggs?

Scrambled eggs or over easy eggs?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, or text us on the Civic Media app, scrambled eggs, or over easy eggs.

Tom in New Berlin says, hey, I went to work early this morning at 4.30, the moon was cool, looking which wish I would have snapped a picture.

It was cool, look at that beaver moon rising over Wisconsin.

Come on back, it's the time I'll both show in the Civic Media, ready to work.

Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling Toss salads and scrambled eggs.

Quite stylish.

And maybe I seem a bit confused.

Yeah, maybe.

But I got you pegged.

But I don't know what to do with those Toss salads and scrambled eggs.

They're calling again.

Welcome back to the title of all show on the civic media radio network twenty two now past the hour of three o'clock theme to one of my favorite all-time television shows the iconic Frazier Frazier, how about good show

good tune

great show.

Yeah, really really great show Good tune talking about scrambled eggs are what's worse for today?

Zombers on the board glad to have him along always pick of the great tunes there to move this show along

And the category today scrambled eggs are over easy eggs.

What's worse, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

What's worse scrambled eggs or over easy eggs.

PJ watching us on YouTube.

We appreciate that PJ welcome in says I enjoy both styles of eggs.

It depends on how I'm feeling.

Omelettes are also a good choice.

I do like me a well done.

Like if you go to a hotel, a nicer hotel and they've got the breakfast buffet or go to a brunch in a nice place and they've got the chef will make you a, to order omelette.

Those are delicious.

Those are

fantastic, right?

One of my friends is really good at making omelettes and occasionally we'll go out spend the night there and they wake up before everybody else and make omelettes and they're delicious.

Fantastic.

What's worse?

Scramble scrambled eggs or over easy eggs?

8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Heather on Facebook up at Eau Claire W C F W the tap our great station in the Chippewa Valley.

Heather says depends on who's making them over easy eggs are more risky higher chance of under done whites.

So I guess they are worse.

But moms are the best.

I don't agree with that.

This happens to be my little sister.

Our mom, particularly, my favorite is, I know it's not healthy, but I don't care.

You get yourself some, like, Newskies bacon, some nice, thick bacon, and you fry that, and then you use the bacon grease, and you fry your eggs in that.

Bacon grease makes anything taste delicious.

Our grandpa, our grandpa Wallace, my grandmother would make this breakfast, and she'd fry the bacon, and then she'd make...

Eggs in bacon grease and then grandpa would like he made her eat that she make pancakes He didn't like syrup on his pancakes as much as he just wanted like about four tablespoons of bacon grease on his pancakes

You know I I can't say I would do that, but also it was very delicious Very

good.

Very good.

I'm sure you can feel your arteries, you know closing up

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Let's go to the phone lines.

Steve in Mount Horrib listening on WMDX here in Madison.

Steve scrambled eggs or over easy eggs.

What's worse?

I would have to say over easy.

Except for the fact that I love a good breakfast burger, and that's the only time I like an over-easy egg

is when

that yolk is cascading over my burger.

Right?

Other than that, I want to eat the over-easy eggs.

All right, but you make a good point.

There's always a time and place for everything, right?

That's right.

Thank you, Steve.

Appreciate your listenership out there in beautiful Mount Horrib 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2.

What's worse scrambled eggs or over easy eggs?

Let's see here on a little quicker than Jack and Merrimack.

Jack is calling in listening to the MDX out of Madison.

Jack scrambled eggs or over easy eggs.

What's worse?

Over easy.

Definitely.

By the way, my apologies for calling in a second time.

I never do that.

You're always

welcome,

Jack.

Why

are

you

anti over easy?

Well, the way I like my eggs is what I call eggs with stuff.

And I kind of open up the fridge and find out what kind of stuff I'm going to put in the eggs.

All right.

Bell peppers, they go in.

If I've got mushrooms, they go in.

If I've got onions, that goes in.

Bacon bits, if I've made bacon, I'll crush up one of the bacon.

I'll put in a nice mild cheese.

So,

definitely prefer the scrambled.

All right, that's good.

Shop the fridge.

Instead of shop the pig, Jack shops the fridge, right?

Thanks, Jack.

Appreciate you out there, beautiful.

Merrimack.

Casper on the YouTube says scrambled eggs are worse.

My parents used to make them in the microwave, and that completely ruined them for me.

Give me that liquid

chicken.

You know, scrambled eggs in the microwave sounds like a war crime.

I've had them.

If they cook long enough, it's not terrible, but it's not great.

Uh, Sean on the old civic media app listening to us on W R C E in Richland center is that's where we will broadcast the show from tomorrow.

Sean, one of our great UPS drivers there on what's worse says we're going to get to it in a second.

It disappeared.

We go, uh, both are great.

But when I mess up making an over-easy egg, it gets scrambled.

By the way, growing up, we had bacon and eggs for dinner on occasion.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Breakfast for dinner is one of my favorite things.

It's fantastic.

No, it's absolutely fantastic.

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What's worse, scrambled eggs or over-easy eggs?

Uh, Chris in Beautiful Sun Prairie on WMDX says, over easy is what I usually prefer, but the best eggs I ever had were scrambled eggs done with butter and lobster chunks at a now closed Heidel House in Green Lake.

Absolutely delicious.

Now that does sound really good.

I've never had lobster

in any form.

Really?

No form at all?

No,

that's

good.

Michael on WMDX listing out of Tosa says, I love over easy eggs, but I cannot cook them very well.

So I will say over easy unless someone else makes them.

All right, fair enough.

Zombers, what's worse?

I don't know.

I think I just I like a lot of eggs.

I'm going to have to say.

Over easy eggs are worse because there's great potential and great potential for disaster.

You'll Kevin O'Connor quote I'm gonna say scrambled are worse because if you do them, right?

It's hard to beat a good over easy egg.

All right, come on back We'll talk about the airport closures and which ones are open and who will not be affected.

Don't miss it farm uses next

35 minutes now past the hour of three o'clock on this Thursday, November 6th.

Aaron Zummer is on the board.

Glad to be with you here behind the mic for another great Thursday across the state of Wisconsin.

Gonna get into just a minute here reporting on what's going on at these airports.

Sean Duffy, former MTV star from Wisconsin.

Now it's the Secretary of Transportation.

And talking about the FAA preliminary list for cut reductions amid this shutdown and we're going to give you a little news you can use because this I in a way obviously Sean Duffy is goofy in my opinion, but The ramifications are very very serious because a lot of this are traveling and even more so as Thanksgiving holiday looms and we're being told that it's scheduled to be one of the busiest holidays on record in terms of flight

and nothing funny at all about trying to get to see loved ones or whatever during Thanksgiving.

So I'll give you some tips on if your flight gets delayed or canceled.

Also, a little Marjorie Taylor Greene cut.

And Zomers is like, what?

Because I have not said it to him yet.

But she had said something.

Nancy Pelosi announced today, former Speaker of the House, that she is not going to seek reelection.

Nancy Pelosi can retire after this term out there in California and we'll we're at Marjorie Taylor Greene is is saying about her here in a minute as well and also there is a certain percentage of people that are not going to be affected by these airport cutbacks Abigail Disney will tell us in just a minute who that is but first a little breaking news here if I could find it it's all over my phone this

off of the Associated Press moments ago, a federal judge in Rhode Island ordered the Trump administration this afternoon to find the money to fully fund SNAP benefits for this month, for November.

The ruling by U.S.

District Judge John J. McConnell Jr.

this afternoon was in response to a challenge from cities and nonprofits complaining that the administration was only offering to cover 65%

of the maximum benefit.

The government said it will rely on $4.65 billion in emergency funding.

Quote, the defendant, this is from the judge, quote, the defendants failed to consider the practical consequences associated with this decision to only partially fund SNAP.

Judge McConnell wrote,

They knew that there would be a long delay in paying partial SNAP benefits and failed to consider the harms individuals who rely on those SNAP benefits, how they would suffer, unquote.

The Trump administration said last month that it would not pay benefits for all of November because of the federal shutdown.

Last week, two judges ordered the government to pay at least partial benefits using that emergency fund.

And initially said it would cover half, but now says it will cover 65%.

The plaintiffs want the benefits to be fully funded.

The USDA said last month the benefits for November would not be paid because of the federal government shutdown.

That set off.

a scramble by food banks, state governments, and the nearly 42 million Americans, including 700,000 Wisconsinites, I might add, who receive the aid to find other ways to ensure access to groceries.

The program serves about one in eight Americans and is a major piece of the nation's social safety net.

It costs more than $8 billion per month nationally.

This is a breaking news of course.

So a lot more on this this afternoon as warrants But right now again the headline a federal judge in Rhode Island has ordered the Trump administration this afternoon to find the money to fully fund snap benefits for November this will set up as we talked to our friend Matt Flynn earlier this week and attorney himself This is going to set up a real I don't want to call the dilemma

But a potential I guess the right word a potential for a constitutional crisis because now a federal judge has ordered the administration to fund all these snap benefits So now the ball gets put back in Trump's court is he going to go along and follow a federal judge's orders or will he defy the courts and if that happens We're in constitutional crisis time

So stay tuned for that back.

Let's wrap this up quick on our because I appreciate the listeners I appreciate when you guys take the time to call in or text in I Get like you don't have to do that and if you're participating I feel I have the Responsibility to say thank you and to bring you into the show Our question today on what's worse and the food ones bombers the food ones always get

people involved and I love it and you know We're always happy to do it too because it turns out

Everybody eats food.

It turns out turns out they

do.

So I've what's worse question today was what's worse scrambled eggs or over easy eggs and Don in Madison on WM DX a newer listener says outrageous question Both are great, especially in huevos or rancheros.

I

agree.

I love me some good huevos rancheros.

I preferred over easy

with my Wavels, Red and Sheryls, but to each their own.

Thank you, Don and Madison on MDX.

I appreciate that.

And a brand new caller, by the way, Jill in Oshkosh, listening on WISS.

Jill, thanks for finding us and tuning us in.

We greatly appreciate that.

Jill in Oshkosh says, over easy, snotty eggs are gross.

So she's saying a scrambled egg could be not done enough.

All right.

Yeah, I understand that a lot of people don't like the texture of eggs sometimes at all or about particular ways They're cooked and I can understand that

the

guy

that we

need

here to talk about this is Luke Mathers

He does have egg opinions

He hates eggs.

Yes.

He's a wonderful talented guy, but the guy just he doesn't like eggs But here here a quick fun.

We're gonna give you a two for one in Wisconsin fun facts.

It's not particularly about Wisconsin, but I learned years ago

the right way to scramble an egg.

And I learned it from Bobby Flay.

He and I were hanging out.

I only wish big.

He used to have breakfast with Bobby Flay and the food work.

And so this is real, not making this up.

You take your nonstick pan, low, slow and low, just like barbecue, slow and low, like a medium low heat, put a bunch of butter.

So maybe for like if you're scrambling two eggs,

a good tablespoon of butter.

All right.

Let that just melt.

Then take your two eggs and, and just adapt, put, put like a pencil stream of water out of your tap and then just put the bowl underneath it.

Like just, just like a second, just like that much water.

So I don't know, maybe like a teaspoon of water, maybe a teaspoon and a half, not a bunch of water.

It'll get runny, but just a little bit of water scrambled up real well.

Get some air in there.

with a fork or a whisk.

Salt and pepper to taste, as they say.

And then as you're whisking it, put that into your pan with the butter melted and let it sit there for about 15, 20 seconds.

Then take a rubber spatula and make a circle eight in the pan.

And then let it sit, slow and low until you start to see the curdles of the first egg cooking.

Then do another figure eight and kind of

Turn the pan around so the rest of the liquid gets dispersed.

Let it sit.

Then when you just are seeing the eggs start, you want to take them off the heat when they look wet.

And that's where people go wrong.

Oh, I got to cook these until, no, no, no.

Because just like meat, eggs will continue to cook after you take them off the heat.

So when it still looks wet, take the eggs off the heat.

Give them a couple of swirls again or whatever and let them sit for, you know, whatever 30 seconds.

Perfect scrambled eggs.

That does sound like it'll work really well.

It also sounds really good with my, uh, velveted chicken.

Yes.

You can have scrambled eggs and

velveted chicken.

See, look at that.

A little, uh, cookie news that, uh, that you could use.

Uh, Chris in Madison on WMDX says, oh, well, this is fantastic.

I'm with Luke.

I don't like eggs and everyone, everyone I know thinks I'm crazy for that.

I don't think you're crazy, Chris.

We all have our things.

In my world, I don't know a lot of people that don't like eggs, but I know it's a thing.

What else are Chris and some prairie over E?

Did we read that one already?

Yes.

Yeah, we already did that.

So

I think we're caught up.

So I appreciate everybody.

Oh, Michael and Tosa.

Yeah, we did that one as well.

All right, I think we're all caught up.

All right, let's go to this at 44 minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

According to the Hill,

This afternoon, many of the largest airports across the country will see a noticeable reduction in flight offerings starting tomorrow as the Federal Aviation Administration, better known as the FAA,

implements new steps to maintain air safety amid the ongoing government shutdown.

The preliminary list of 40 airports operating at reduced capacity obtained by the Hill's sister network, News Nation.

This is actual news, got to verify to other places.

The FAA is expected to announce the full list sometime later Thursday.

That's today.

But the list also verified by the Washington Post, CBS News, ABC News, includes virtually all major air travel hubs.

I'm going to go through these because I know a lot of people fly, but to Dan Schaeffer's earlier point, so far we have not heard that any airports in Wisconsin are being directly affected.

Now, we all know that living in Wisconsin, unless you're in Milwaukee and a few in Madison,

maybe a couple out of Green Bay as well, but most of our airports in Wisconsin, you have to go into a hub.

So you're going from, you know, point A in Wisconsin into either the Twin Cities or Chicago or Detroit, maybe Dallas Fort Worth, and then you're getting on another plane to go to your final destination.

Although we've gotten more direct flights here in Wisconsin.

So I want to read these for you.

You can find this at The Hill or other sources as well, but Anchorage, Alaska,

Jackson Atlanta Airport basically Boston Logan Baltimore Washington BWI Charlotte Airport there Also in Kentucky Dallas Love Airport Reagan National Airport in Washington Denver Dallas Fort Worth Detroit Newark Fort Lauderdale Where else the Los Angeles Las Vegas New York Kennedy Airport Orlando Chicago Midway

Interestingly enough, I don't oh, yeah, here's Chicago hair as well.

So Chicago Midway in our hair Memphis Miami Minnesota, St.

Paul Oakland Ontario Portland Philadelphia Phoenix San Diego Louisville Tacoma Seattle or Seattle Tacoma San Francisco Salt Lake City Teterboro and Tampa International so Milwaukee not on the list.

No, no Wisconsin airports on that list so far

Gonna tell you a couple of tips here according to professionals what to do if you get cancelled or delayed at your flight But first and this is both great and terrible all at the same time Abigail Disney of the Disney family.

Yes, the Walt Disney family.

She is one of the patriotic millionaires She's been at my hometown, which will instead her as part of the patriotic millionaires project.

She's been on this network talking about

People like her billionaires or multi-million we're talking 40 50 million plus need to be tax more Abigail Disney gave up many of her privileges as a Disney family member and she had this observation this morning or this afternoon about who is not being affected by the FAA airport

throttleback

I have an idea for Sean Duffy.

He's gonna be shutting down 10% of air traffic, my goodness.

That's what he wants.

But he could even more easily shut down 12% of air traffic by just grabbing private planes.

Yes.

It's a little hard

to hear because she was doing this in an airport as it turned out.

But Abigail Disney points out that 12% of all flights are on private jets.

Welcome back to the Tunnelball show on the Civic Media Learning Network where it is now eight minutes before the hour of four o'clock on the top of the hour.

ABC or CBS News, depending upon which of our great stations you're listening to across the state of Wisconsin, followed by a check of weather.

Our great sports reporter, Mike Clemens, in with a sports report like nobody covers sports.

In this state like Mike Clemens always particularly Packers Packers big game on Monday night at home against Philadelphia See if they can bounce back after their debacle against the Panthers We shall see but Clemens will be there.

We'll talk more about that tomorrow with the Brandon Ewing is on the show tomorrow We're live from Michelin Center looking forward to that summer.

Yeah, not only will Mike Clemens be there.

He is typically

You know, I'll say always, or at least nearly always, one of the last few people out of the stadium.

He is always there, always working hard.

We appreciate it.

Mike Clemens, keep it here for continuing coverage of the pack.

And then after a Clemens sports report, another edition of the Maggie Dawn show.

Stay tuned for that.

Two until four and then coming up six until, pardon me, four until six, Todd, of the Maggie Dawn show.

And then six until eight, another edition of Nightlight.

with our friend Pete Schwabenator, always a good time, entertaining and you also, you learn something and it's a great way to wind down with your favorite beverage, Pete Conrad and the entire crew from the studios on WGBW in downtown Green Bay.

Cowboy hats are optional.

Really?

I mean, I guess you didn't know you've had it before, so.

I want to finish up right before the break there.

Was playing this cut from Abigail Disney kind of hard to hear because she was filming her shooting this whatever you want to say posting it at an airport and She knows this because she's from the Disney family and she gave up a lot of her wealth as a part of patriotic millionaires and she pointed out that of Sean Duffy and the Trump administration really wanted to ease air traffic during this time that They could start by demanding that no private jets

be taken off that people have to go, oh, shutter the thought first class.

Because I didn't know this until Abigail Disney pointed it out.

Private jets take up 12 percent of American airspace.

So right there.

That's that's a lot of

flights.

It's a

lot of flights.

So, you know, Taylor Swift.