Does Artificial Intelligence Belong In Music? (Hour 2)

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It is Wednesday, November 5th, 2025.

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It's a lovely word comadre

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And it is a singular word in Spanish for which there is no singular translation to English.

It means, literally translated, the mother of my godson's.

Or you say compadres, you call each other compadres because you are the god, I'm the god's father of Floresie and Kurt's two sons, Alex and Jason.

And I'm proud to be so.

And so when you see H.A.Y., oh compadre, oh compadre, but you,

In English, it's so much more awkward or bulky, because you say, oh, this is the mother of my godson.

Or you could just say, oh, hello, good to see you, mother of my godson.

Right,

right?

It doesn't have the same ring, you understand.

It doesn't roll off the tongue.

But today, November 5, 2025, it is the anniversary, the anniversary of Floresy's 49th birthday, which we get together and celebrate.

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Don't go down that rabbit hole.

Never mind, I didn't say anything.

Yes, it's the anniversary of her 49th birthday.

And so her lovely husband, Kurt, and of course, we're going to dinner tonight to celebrate.

And so Kurt looked up there.

We're going to a bar corallini, by the way.

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been.

Great place over the Atwood Avenue neighborhood.

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Authentic, authentic.

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And the reservations, they had two availabilities.

830.

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And

so you took the authentic Italian and like European route and went for the like 8.31, right?

We did not.

No, we said we'll take the 4.45 if there's a senior discount.

So I did not eat any, usually I have like my Wonder State coffee and I will have a baked good or some sort of sugar to get me going right before the show.

I skipped the sugar.

Well, I guess I had a donut earlier because, by the way, it's National Donut Day.

Kind of.

We'll talk about that later.

And so I'm trying to save room for a great meal tonight with Curtin Floresy.

So happy birthday, Floresy.

Great to celebrate her.

Happy birthday.

Yeah, absolutely.

Um, but thank you very much pack quite low and trig v. Olson and states that are kelvin Royce for being our guests in our number one.

I love those kind of hours zombers because it means I talk less and our listeners get to hear a great guess, which I love.

It's also great to hear, you know, having like Pat and trig beyond every week, they sometimes meet and have the same perspective, but a lot of the times they are different.

Uh, and it's really interesting to hear those.

All the different takes.

Absolutely.

If you all agree on everything all the time, life's boring, right?

Better to mix it up a little bit.

So that was a lot of fun.

We appreciate all of them.

And you look for everybody running for governor.

I don't care which side of the aisle or who you are.

This is a big job.

And I think last night, these governor races that came to an end,

You could see it other other faces other other other family faces.

It's a it's a major thing I mean I ran for assembly twice and lost up in two Republican primaries because I was too moderate But that was just for state assembly when you're running for a statewide office, especially in these times The amount of work you have to undertake and the stress.

I mean, it's a big deal

So hats off to everybody running for a statewide office right now and also just running for your local school board or whatever.

Our democracy works best when people participate.

And people who are going out and talking and more importantly listening to their communities at any level, governor to school board anywhere in between.

You're doing very important work right now to, you know, undo some of the division.

Absolutely.

Later on this hour, we're going to touch a little bit more on TrigVee's sub stack article this week on AI.

I think it's really important.

I would encourage you to, uh, to check that out.

Uh, also going to do a little what's worse for you, but right now at 11 past the hour of three o'clock, time once again for a Wisconsin fun fact.

Here we

go.

That's

right, time for the Wisconsin Fun Fact.

On November 5th, 1862, the 10th Wisconsin Light Artillery fought in an engagement at Nashville, Tennessee during the Civil War.

Many Nashville music executives survived the battle and their legacy continues to this day as cities continue to churn out bland drivel and somehow passes for country music.

There you go to the Wisconsin fun fact.

Go ahead.

So I mean, I guess what we learned is that music executives are an immortal evil that has persisted through centuries.

I don't know all of them.

Well, yeah.

Yeah, for centuries.

Yeah, there were people hitherto unknown fact as Ken Lewis is fond of saying.

People know there were there were music executives at the Civil War.

I did not know that.

Well, I don't think I did do until just that very moment.

Here's some, by the way, here's something that's on the serious side.

First, as you all know, or most of you regular listeners of the show, no, I'm a big Kenny Chesney fan, Chesney, I'm sorry, Kenny Chesney fan.

And he has not driveled, by the way, his songs are a fantasy.

He has a new book coming out right now and making tours.

And I've tried to get him on this show.

We haven't had any success yet, but wouldn't that be something?

So anyway, he was on CBS This Morning or they call it CBS Mornings Now.

He did a great job.

He has a new book out and kind of autobiographical.

Looking forward to reading that.

But they also had had this artist.

We're talking a little bit more about it here in a bit.

She calls herself an artist.

She's the creator behind the AR artist.

Is it Zanya Monet?

Is

that how you pronounce

it?

Her real name is Nikki Jones, and she spoke with Gail King this morning in what I thought was a really great interview.

Now, she is the person, the Zannie Monet, and she has generated this online, or the artist, the AI, I see this how confusing it is.

The AI artist's name is Zannie Monet.

The real person, Nikki Jones, she writes poems.

And she writes the poems.

And that's great.

The lyrics, if you will.

And then she uses this AI thing called, is it Sanos

or Sono?

Sono, yeah.

Sono.

And she loads this into Sono.

And Sono creates the voice because the human being, this Nikki Jones, she cannot sing.

Or at least not to a performance level.

And so Sono's creates the voice and

the instrumentation and everything else.

And now there's a song out on the on the billboard charts.

That's like going up the charts.

So there's this big debate right now in the music world, in the AI world, should this human being, Nikki Jones, should her AI creation voice artist be out there getting hits on billboard when there are real human beings?

who have worked their butts off to be singers in Nashville and other places, who they're out of work because this AI thing is doing

it.

That is a complicated question.

I know it is.

And Gale King did a, you know, I've been upon CBS lately, you know, the Nora

McDonald.

Yeah, the

management, the management, but there are still a lot of great reporters.

And I thought Gale King asked them really

great questions because this real person, the human being in this story, I believe it's Talisha, Nikki Jones, happens to be black, Gale King is black, and she asked a pointed question.

And she said to Gale King did, to Nikki Jones, and she said, what is your thought?

There are other black female human being singers out there that you're taking a job away from.

And she said, how would you feel?

Gale King asked this.

Gale King said, how would you feel if it was a white man or a white woman writing the lyrics and then creating a black artist?

And Nikki Jones just sat there and Gale King said, mm-hmm.

That is exactly the kind of tough question that we need to ask in these situations.

I mean, that's a really great, fair question.

And she's the right person to ask

it.

100%.

She was the exact right person to ask it.

And so, this is gonna be a big, and look, the program that comes on before ours, Tom Hartman, they use this crap all the time.

Where they write a poem or lyrics, and then they put it into the Sonos, and it creates this weird music that sounds like country or sounds like church music, and it's all stuff making fun of Trump or whatever, which, fine, but it's just all AI.

And they also sell those songs.

And they sell those songs.

And again, for a democratic leading show like Hartman, who professes to be for the worker, think of how many artists, musicians, singers that he's denying a living wage to because he's using solos.

Yeah.

My personal thoughts on this is if you are a poet and you want to use AI to conceptualize what those poems might be like as songs, go for it.

But I think using them on the billboard charts, especially the.

You know, the dubious sources of data that these tools have, you know, it, I, it just doesn't sit right with me as an official release.

I don't like it at all.

Our own Chris Casper, one of our fine engineers, many things to Casper and our great engineering team yesterday.

We, for those who are with us, it was a TFD, a total freaking disaster because apparently now we still don't know what happened, but I've been told.

I've been told by people on the 12th floor that they're blaming it on a worker over on John Nolan Drive, not far from where I live, that during road construction, a fiber optic cable was cut.

Maybe, we don't know.

Maybe, maybe, which effect.

And so our fine team here was able to stitch things together and keep us on the air and we really appreciate that.

So big shout out to Casper and the entire Drew and the entire engineering team.

We appreciate you so very much.

Casper says they could make an AI category for award shows.

Now this is good.

He says the only two things that can be copy written are lyrics and melody.

All right.

He would know because he masters a lot of

music.

So maybe that's fair, is that you have a special category for AI-generated music.

Somebody else in the know, our own Terry Barr, who is co-host of Max Inc Radio every Saturday night on WMDX here in Madison.

You could also listen to it on the Civic Media app.

Terry says, I know so many musicians who are not happy about this.

Right?

And she knows a lot of musicians.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Brett in Brown Deer, listening on WAUK says, Tom Hartman's wife makes those songs and they don't charge for them.

Yeah.

Well, I'll look into that during the break.

I feel like I remember him saying on the show that they're available for purchase, but I may be misremembering.

Thank you for pointing that out.

But, but yeah, she writes just like this artist in the CBS story, she writes the words, but they're not playing all those instruments.

They're not saying that.

So it's it's it's sure she writes the words, but.

You're putting musicians and singing artists, maybe not out of work, but you're not giving them the opportunity to be paid a union wage.

Come on back.

We'll talk more about this.

Also, what's worse, straight ahead is the all-most show for a Wednesday on Pacific Media.

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22 now, past the hour of three o'clock on this Wednesday, November 5th, 2025.

Zommer is on the board, glad to have you along, talking about the CBS News interview this morning on CBS Morning's Gail King, longtime host, interviewed the human, the human behind the AI artist.

if that makes sense.

So the human's name is Talisha Nicky Jones.

And the artificial intelligence person that she created is named Zanya Monet.

And she has a hit, a song that is climbing the Billboard charts.

And the question is, should AI generated music, even though this human being

Talisha Jones wrote the words the lyrics should The song which other than the words everything else is computer-generated should that be in a competition for a Grammy or should it be a competition for a billboard award What's the role of AI here and also make sure that we get things straight here earlier in the last segment

I brought up the fact that Tom Hartman, who precedes us, he has these AI-generated songs.

His wife, yes, writes the lyrics, just like this artist here or this person.

But everything else is generated.

The music...

The vocals are all done by a computer.

Sonos is the software program.

Zomers made the comment that Hartman then sells them online.

And Zomers, I think we were corrected by Marion Mount Horab and a couple other people as well, that Hartman does not actually sell them.

Right.

I mistakenly, I thought I had heard him say they're available.

For purchase online, but I must have

maybe he did something during the campaign to raise money right as a fundraiser But yes,

no, they normally have their daily song.

Yes, the listeners are correct.

The daily song is free So thank you for that correction and keeping this honest, but the heart there the the the fact remains

that, you know, Tom Hartman's not employing musicians on vocalists to do these songs every day.

He and his wife write the words and the computer does the rest.

A557524842 was called to Southwest Wisconsin, the home of WRCE in Richland Center, Wisconsin.

Chris in Blue River, who also happens to be the host of Saturdays with Simon on WRCO and a longtime band director in the area.

Chris, you're the perfect person.

What say you on this AI generated music?

Boy, it's interesting.

My mind immediately went to late 70s, early 80s, when drum machines became a thing.

And they were used in live performances in the United States and sometimes in studios for performances.

I recall, if I recall correctly, there was a lawsuit by the Musicians Union in the United Kingdom to ban those.

to ban the use of drum machines in those instances so that union musicians were not losing their jobs as a result of these things.

So that's the first thing that came to mind with me.

I appreciate you bringing this, that history, because I kind of forgotten it, but as a former bad drummer myself, I didn't even use like the pads.

I always use like a real set, you know, whatever

I do.

I play drums, I also have a drum machine.

They're just, they're different tools, and I feel like similar to that, we need to figure out where AI fits in music as a tool, and not just slamming on everything.

like this.

I like this person appears to be doing.

Chris, I want to ask your opinion on this because you and I and our colleague, Phil Knee at WRCO and some other great people were out in Richland Center at Oak Hooch Books last week because our former colleague, Grace Trader, who passed away in a ripe ages of 90, his family brought a lot of Ray's vinyl.

that he used on his show, great big band hits and things, and people could make a donation for a memorial terrain in the city.

What's your thought?

Because I immediately went home and put some of those records on my turntable and sat down and had a beverage, and it was in this day and age of devices and screens, it was enormously relaxing.

And don't we need more actual, I don't know what the word is, just...

non-digital things in our life?

I agree completely.

You know, I walked out with an arm load of things of raise and as I've been recording my shows, I have been incorporating those in my playlists.

You know, I've been adding, oh, here's something Ray played that'll fit in really nicely.

You know, as you said, there's such a warmth.

to vinyl that is just lost on digital recordings.

And I'm pleased to say our daughter and her husband bought a turntable about four or five years ago and began purchasing vinyl to play because they have that appreciation for the sound.

That's great.

And that's fantastic.

And I just think those things are coming back and vote.

Chris, thanks for taking the time.

Thanks for listening.

I encourage everybody to join Chris on Saturday afternoons on WRCO.

If you're not in the Southwest, tune them in on the Civic Media app and then go down to WRCO on Saturday afternoons.

855-752-4842.

Matt in Middleton, listening on WMDX here in Madison.

Matt, what say you?

About a minute left.

Yeah, as an artist I could talk about this for hours, but I'll just say that the main problem with the digital economy is just the surplus of Material out there and AI just makes it easier to generate a whole lot more material So the value of every particular thing is going to plummet because you're just so much stuff So as long as we have it identified as AI and that's a mark on it

And there's a, as a separate category for it and people know it's AI, I think we'll be okay.

Cause like your earlier caller said, people do want the human element, you know?

That's a great suggestion, Matt.

Appreciate listenership.

Having to mark like that, a watermark or whatever, but digitally, I guess.

I agree, yeah.

Somehow that's a, that's a great idea, Matt.

Thank you very much for listening to us here in, in Madison on WMDX.

We'll come back, take a few more phone calls, your comments.

So what do you think of these AI quote unquote?

artists.

Are they taking jobs away from real humans and unionized musicians?

All that more also a little what's worse, but first some Pam, some Pam news, some farm news from Pam Yankee and the Midwest Farm Report on the Senate media.

We're ready

to know.

Good

heavens.

I said no Christmas music until after Thanksgiving.

Welcome back to the Tuttleball Show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

35 minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Zomber's normally right on top of it.

My friend, it's too early for Christmas.

It is, but there's a specific reason I played that.

Give it to me.

So it famously uses the wind drum, a drum machine made in the 80s.

that has a very unique sound from others in its time.

And, you know, I just think it's important to compare AI to that to say, you know what, this is a tool, it's not going away, we just need to find where it can be used.

In case you're just joining us,

yes.

Nice job, Zomers.

We're talking about this topic, and by the way, these are my favorite kind of shows.

Things that just come up, and we run with it, and there was little preparation for it.

Because oftentimes those are the best types of segments and shows because we just pick up on what you, the friendly listener, want to talk about and we've hit on something here and I think this is great to spur discussion.

And it's a big topic, as Zahmer's you've said, it's not going anywhere.

It's artificial intelligence.

It's AI.

And it comes from this story this morning on CBS Mornings.

Gail King had a great interview

with a real life human being.

And you say, Todd, why, why do you have to say, well, you'll find out.

Uh, Talisha, she goes by Nikki Jones is the real life human.

And she has written lyrics via poems that she wrote, but she used a software program called Sonos.

and she puts the lyrics in there, and then she can choose what kind of a voice that she wants.

She happens to be a black woman, and so she chose a black female voice.

And then she chooses the type of rhythm or whatever, but the computer does all the vocals, the computer does all of the musical things on there, and the AI artist that she created, she named it Zanya Monet.

And in this article this interview on on CBS this morning says Jones created the persona while teaching herself AI just four months ago By the way the 31 year old Mississippi native admits she is not the singer But says the lyrics are 100% me they come from poems that she based is on real life experience Billboard says that Monet is the first known AI artist to earn enough radio airplay

to debut on a Billboard radio chart, appearing on at least five Billboard charts since their song first got released.

So the question is, how do we feel about this?

It's okay.

It is a real human writing a poem, essentially, and then using a computer to do all the musical and vocals, which obviously takes away from musicians, human musicians, some of whom maybe union members,

They ain't gettin' the work.

This is all goin' through a computer program, and is this okay?

And should they be eligible for Grammys?

Should they be on the Billboard Awards?

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Kurt, listening in Madison on WMDX.

Kurt, thanks for holdin', we'll see you.

Well, I'm not gonna speak to the Grammy portion of it and I'm so glad I was born in the 60s And also I'm a mediocre drummer

Welcome to the club I was born in 69 so I just made it into the 60s go ahead

I was born in 60s, so But sometimes I wish I was born in 50s now the way our right country, but anyway the I think that's

the focus point needs to be, you know, as an engineer, when we take advantage of technologies to make better and better and better machines, am I not guilty of inevitably putting somebody out of job because I used to work for a company that built robotic, what they call robotic cells.

But I think from the musicians point of view, and I get the trepidations they have, and they feel like their livelihood is going to get ripped away from them.

But I think more important is that we, I don't know, properly

classify what this music is.

I think people, in the end, it's one thing to turn on the radio and listen to a song.

It's another to go to a concert and see someone physically play its thing.

It's no comparison.

I could not agree more, Kurt.

I've told this, the short version, I'll tell again, one of the most powerful experiences I've ever had musically was across the street.

from where I'm sitting right now, the Overture Center, many years ago, and Tony Bennett came to Madison.

And I bought a ticket last minute.

It was one of those that was supposed to go to the company and they returned it.

I sat eighth row orchestra dead center.

And it was Tony Bennett, a drummer, a pianist, and a string bass.

And at one point, he said, guys, take five.

And Tony Bennett came downstage and stood center stage and sang three of his hits, acapella.

And it was like you were listening to a record.

It was so pure and him, and that is just freaking talent, man.

Yeah, I got to see him as well.

Amazing artist, wasn't he?

You was fantastic

Kurt thanks for your listenership.

Thanks for your comments as always eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two Just to pick up on what Casper here at Civic and said earlier a little bit to a Kurt's point there.

He had suggested that AI Like one of our listeners did as well that the AI Created music could be in a special awards category and one of our listeners said, you know

Identify it as AI, you know in printing to be a watermark or whatever.

I don't know how you do that and And so Casper says I I agree with Matt as long as people are aware that it's AI I don't have a problem with it and then our own Terry Barr Co-host a maxing radio on Saturday nights here at MDX as I agree with Chris and Matt This is really

A great discussion.

Appreciate it, Terry.

Appreciate everybody else weighing in as well.

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Let's go to Rick in Waukesha, listening on WAUK.

Rick, thanks for calling in.

What's up?

Hey, I'm an old drummer and I'm thinking, you know, this could be revolutionary that the drummers will unite and will have huge percussion groups.

Right?

I think that's so you're all former drummer as well Rick

Yeah, matter of fact, I got the borrow did you ever hear of a group called the ventures?

Of course I Got the borrow the drummers drums at my folks's house when you left really

How did that very

cool?

Did your folks

know?

Well a business association of my father

Had a brother that was a small Artist in country Western and he knew them they were out of like the Dakotas

sure

and they would they were ranchers and they would bring their Instruments and groups and their horses on trailers because they recorded in Chicago.

That's incredible and they dropped stuff off along the way and

So my brother's band was practicing at the time in the basement and my dad talked to him and he left his full top of the line, everything led to a set, double basses, everything, the whole thing.

For about a month and a half I got to practice on it here and there.

And then I found out how good I wasn't.

But you had the right equipment Rick, you can say you have the right equipment,

right?

That's an incredible

story.

I started, you know, in the kitchen on the floor with the pots and pans, and then graduated to bongos because I love Lucy, and then I graduated to a snare drum at about six, seven years old.

No,

I mean, you know, you know what it's like.

I believe our own Phil Knee on WRC on those were the days on Saturday night.

He's told the story before that the Buddy Holly song not fade away was I believe that most of the quote unquote drums that that's a cardboard box or a couple of different cardboard boxes.

The stuff that music producers used to have to do to create unique sounds is insane, and I love learning about it.

It's so cool.

It really is.

And again, here we are, maybe intentionally, maybe not.

That's all human element stuff, right?

I mean, you can't replicate that.

From with an AI in my opinion

an AI is not gonna think of what the Beatles did and put a snare drum literally in a toilet for one of their songs Sounded

great.

All right, exactly if you have feelings on this AI should AI be allowed to quote-unquote create music that competes with human creative music on the charts or or otherwise 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8

for two, our own Joanne Krulatz, checking in at WRCO, WRCE, our great news director there.

She says, I actually had a conversation with a Nashville artist about this topic, and yes, it needs to be identified as AI.

Thanks, Joanne.

I appreciate your listenership.

Thanks for checking in on this as well.

Off to the text line, John, listening on WISS and Oshkosh says, all the bumper music for Tom Hartman is AI.

Yes, John, if you are just tuning in, we talked about that earlier.

And look, I'm not here to beat up anybody else.

I'm just pointing out a fact that, yes, his wife, Hartman's wife writes the words, but all that bumper music, the vocals, the music,

the instrumentation, I should say.

That's all AI.

And I just kind of find it a little bit ironic, if not slightly hypocritical, for someone who talks about, you know, pro-union and pro-worker and all that.

And he's kind of like, you know, taking jobs away from humans.

I just think that's a little ironic.

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Brett in Brown Deer on WAUK says, as an artist, the computer can paint perfectly, but it can never do what I do.

Well said, appreciate that.

Brett in Brown Deer.

Gordy, our friend Gordy Kopke, have Kopke's greenhouse down there, the town had done great sponsor.

of civic media get down there.

And I'm not sure they might be done for the fall for now, but I think they do maybe some Christmas stuff as well.

Gordy will have to call in and keep me straight on that.

But Gordy Kopke says...

That'll be difficult.

Well said, Somers.

Well done.

Gordy says, I don't want to speak out of turn, but Tom Hartman about Tom Hartman, but if a musician called and asked to record a song for his commercial release, he seems the kind of guy that would grant permission.

Years ago before WMDX, there was a station in Madison called The Mike and Tom Hartman produced a commercial for us with no charge for voice talent, unlike others who wanted to charge for such services.

Well, there you go.

See?

I mean, there, there are.

Again, we're not trying to rag on him all day or anything.

No, I'm just pointing out that that's

an example of this issue.

Right.

And obviously people have a lot of strong feelings.

And I'm not here to tell you what the right answer or wrong answer is.

I have my preferences.

As most people, I mean, you figured out, I have a problem with it because I'm just, I don't like change.

I don't like computers.

As I say, I'm an analog guy living in a digital world.

But I also respect what your Satan's armor is and others is the genies out of the bottle and we're not going to stop AI at this point.

So we have to learn how to live with it.

And you know, I'll tell you what, whether or not there's a separate category in the Grammys, this is a hell of a resume for her to become a songwriter.

Oh, yeah.

And that was the point that Vladimir Duthier, one of the anchors of CBS This Morning, he's a guitarist himself.

And that was exactly his point solvers.

He said, I would prefer that she get a job as a lyricist in Hollywood or Nashville, because that's like, you can really write some great songs for other artists.

And he got some pushback from his colleagues there at CBS Mornings.

Come on back.

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The drums are cardboard boxes.

Welcome back to the title of all show of the civic media radio network eight minutes now coming up on seven minutes before the hour of four o'clock at the top of the hour ABC CBS news check of weather a great sports reporter Mike Clemens in with a sports report and then another another great edition of the Maggie Dawn show from four until six followed by a great edition of nightlife with Pete Schwabite We're talking about AI earlier and thank you Zombers for helping an old man remember

And my colleague, our colleague, Filney WRCO, years ago on those of the days told this story, and I can't, he could tell it accurately.

I can't remember in the recording studio if the drum set hadn't arrived or what happened.

Anyway, everybody was there.

And I'm not sure whether it was Buddy Holly's idea or the producers, but they said, well, let's give it a, let's take, let's do a take with, with cardboard boxes.

And guess what?

It sounds great.

And that is what made it into the release.

Well, Buddy Holly's most famous songs.

And stuff

like that.

Not

fade away.

is why, even with the rise of AI, I think there will always be the primary place in music for people.

Yeah, couldn't agree more.

Breaking news for you at this hour, according to the Associated Press, the Federal Aviation Administration has announced this afternoon that it will reduce air traffic by 10% across 40, quote, high volume, unquote, markets

beginning Friday morning to maintain safety during the ongoing government shutdown.

confronting staffing shortages caused by air traffic controllers who are working unpaid, with some calling out of work during the shutdown resulting in delays across the country.

FAA Administrator Brian Bedford said the agency is not going to wait for a problem to act, saying the shutdown is causing staffing pressure and, quote, we can't ignore it, unquote.

Bedford and Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said they will meet later today with airline leaders to figure out how to save

implement the reduction certainly a developing story this according to the Associated Press but the FAA saying they're going to reduce air traffic by 10% across 40 what they say high volume markets during the government shutdown of course now in the longest federal government shutdown in our nation's history and it comes off the heels yesterday of the tragedy in Nashville where a UPS plane crashed

during takeoff, essentially.

And it does not appear that had to do with air traffic controllers at this point, but still very, very early.

But certainly our thoughts and prayers go out to those families.

I know we have some of our great UPS drivers that listen to this show.

And this is going to, you know, ripple down, you would think for a little while.

Because this plane was bound with a big load of packages what not to Hawaii I believe so certainly a great tragedy there But this has the this this news now this afternoon look at this thing doesn't get solved.

It's gonna affect Holly Thanksgiving traffic.

So certainly not good news there either Also, I make sure we get one more mention of this because this is really important to people all across the state of Wisconsin if you have a kid

in a high school athletic team, listen up, or you know somebody, pass this along, this according to WKBT television in La Crosse, channel eight, the CBS affiliate saying, the Wisconsin Intercholastic Athletic Association, better known as the WIAA, is warning schools and student athletes about a fake Instagram account that is pretending

to be the organization and trying to get personal information and payments.

A fake account that goes by the name AtSign, W-I-A-A, W-I Sports.

Let me say this again.

This is the fake account that you and your kids should be aware of on Instagram, at the AtSign, W-I-A-A, W-I Sports.

It's been contract contacting Wisconsin schools photographers and student athletes while sharing fake live stream and ticket links According to the wi a Facebook post Zabers.

I am not a lawyer nor am I a financial advisor But I have been told informed by both of those types of people that anytime You are asked to provide like personal information, you know your address your credit card number any of that kind of stuff

use the official channels that you know to be from that site, whether

it's

calling the number on the back of your credit card or, you know, finding the WIAA's actual website.

Don't just give it when people ask for it, reach back out to them using the correct number.

Yeah, always good advice for all of us that we've seen these kind of scams target particularly our seniors, things like this, but this one disturbingly is targeted at our Wisconsin.

high school student athletes, again, the WIAA awarding school student athletes and parents about a fake Instagram account that's trying to get the kids personal information and trying to get payments.

Again, the fake account is at WIAA WI Sports on Instagram.

WIAA does have legit

Accounts on Instagram.

One of them is at W. I. A. A. W. I also has accounts on X better known as Twitter and the Facebook account is simply Wisconsin Interest Galactic Athletic Association, but yes, it's obvious points to point W. I. A. A. is never going to ask a kid for a payment through a social social platform and certainly don't give out your

you know, personal information, you know, address, phone number, things like that on a social media account like that.

So just, you know, terrible stuff, but this is again, digital, the world we live in.

You have to be, have to be aware of that.

We'll, we'll hold off on what's worse for tomorrow.

We'll come back with another edition of that on a Thursday and also talk about the University of Wisconsin system.

More information is coming to light.

about the long-term plans of the University of Wisconsin system and the implications it could have on

Everyone across the state will talk more about that tomorrow.

Many thanks to Pat Krightlow.

A morning's of Pat Krightlow.

Trig V. Olsen, Senior Advisor of Lincoln Project and State Senator, Keller Royce and Aaron Zomers, our producer and engineer, all of you for listening.

We appreciate you so very much.

Great show today.

Appreciate you.

Todd Stain, whatever you're believing, whatever you're fighting for, do not give up.

Keep banging your drum.

We'll see you

tomorrow.

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