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Good afternoon everybody, title of all along, Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer on the board.
It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Wednesday, October 29th, 2025.
It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite and it is... Pump day!
That's right, made it to the middle of another week.
for the old world headquarters in downtown Madison, the intersection of state and fairchild.
Mr. Zomers, let's get a look at that beautiful day.
For those watching on Facebook, YouTube, Twix, Twitter, Twix, whatever you want to call it.
They've they've not sure what's happening.
They've cordoned off the 100 block of State Street.
For those watching, you see the barricades there at the intersection right outside the studios is tonight like a big Halloween party.
Zomers, what's
going on?
It's Trig V there.
That's normally when their parking is limo.
That
is the voice of the anchor the host of morning to pack right low every morning from six until nine across the network He joins us as he is so kindly done as every Wednesday from his beautiful Lake with soda studios packed quite low and joining us from our nation's capital outside of Washington DC former advisor or former Republican like myself now a senior advisor to the Lincoln project Trig V Olson
Gentlemen, how are you?
Pat, you're right.
Normally, Trigby travels in style, so maybe it is.
I know.
I know.
Must be some
other VIP there, I guess.
I don't know.
Some big shots got to get over to Ian's Pizza.
Right?
Exactly.
How
are y'all?
It's Halloween.
Growing up in your neck of the woods, guys, were you big Halloweeners?
Is that something that was big in your part of
the Halloweeners?
Halloweenies?
Yeah.
I grew up in a very large apartment complex.
was the greatest night because you would take your pillowcase and it would just get the shock full of candy from these, you know, it was like 500 units, something like that.
And yeah, there's, there's a reason like I can pick up shortwave radio in this mouth.
There's so many fillings in it.
So it was worth it though.
Trigme
and River Falls, were you a big Halloweeners there?
Yeah,
Dear, dear girls now, are they still, are they a little too old or do they still dress up?
not
the
I'm not quite sure.
You know, I can tell you a really good Halloween story, though.
Give it to us.
It is a very quintessential DC story.
So when my daughter, Ula, was in...
Second grade, I think she comes home one day and she's like daddy I know how much you love taking me trick-or-treating in the neighborhood But can I go trick-or-treating at the White House with my friend Sajal?
You know, you can't really go to the White House, so I don't think the Obamas will ask.
You know, I don't think you can do that.
And she's like, well, Daddy, Sajal said I could come.
Her mom is deputy something or other.
And
I
So I
the White House.
You should take Daddy along.
All
quintessential deal.
But actually, it's a great story.
Kind of has to pertain where I want to lead off with you guys.
You guys both know, but Trigvie, you spent more time there than Pat or I. It is a very small town.
People know all this.
I mean, everybody kind of knows each other.
You know, it's hard to have too big a secret in DC.
Is it not, Trigvie?
Well, you know what the thing is though like at schools and like socially you don't spend a lot of time asking people what they do right when you're having kind of those kid connection things so you know we after that we invited them over and we were hanging out and and with kids because
I wanted to have them over and then, you know, we got talking about what we do and I There's a piece of it.
I mean at the time I was helping run McConnell's political world, right?
I
I wouldn't bring that up either
people are kind of more around each other more just people and that's where I want to start guys
in northern Wisconsin, which the two of you know very, very well.
It's where you've grown up and spent time.
A couple of new candidates in the seventh district, uh, Congress congressional race up there.
Of course, Tom Tiffany has announced he's going to seek the governor's, uh, nomination on the Republican side.
It leaves the seat open.
And now courtesy of our own Dan Schaefer, uh, the civic media political editor and founder of the Reconpopulation area.
A couple of new people, uh, Michael Alfonso, who is Sean Duffy's son-in-law.
says he's now in the race, as well as Paul Wasgrin, who is an attorney in, I believe, Ashland, Wisconsin, up there, up north.
And here's the context of Pat, then Trigvie.
I think a lot of the political class, the pundit class in Madison and Milwaukee...
Would be want to say because you look at there.
They're both of the releases of these two guys It's just a big suck up to Donald Trump and a lot of people would just say Oh, you know, it's those northern Wisconsin people are riding around the trucks are all a bunch of rednecks and you'll suck it up to Trump we spent time there for our show in Hayward and in Amory and in wassau and in Park Falls and in butternut and
And I think that the chattering class in Wisconsin better take a look at who these people are and how they relate to the values of Northern Wisconsin and be a little nuanced about this, Pat, than Trigby.
Well, I would say when you hear about those two, I'd say don't forget about Fred Clark.
the Democratic candidate in there, the Democratic former state assembly rep, who is going to appeal to a lot of people who have traditionally voted Republican and are looking around and going, really, this is what we get, especially from a guy like a corporate attorney, Paul Waskren, whose statement reads, and I quote,
I'm running for Congress because we need more successful businessmen like Donald Trump and Ron Johnson to shake up the status quo and revitalize our communities.
If that doesn't disqualify you thinking that Ron Johnson and Donald Trump were successful businessmen,
Uh, I don't know what else would, but, uh, you know, good luck to him.
I couldn't agree more.
And, and Trig V in Alfonso, uh, Sean Duffy's son of the law, he states right out there that he's, he's running to help Donald Trump.
And to pass point, I know Fred Clark from his days in the legislature, you can't find a more true hunter conservationist forester than Fred Clark.
And I hope people up there in Northern Wisconsin.
Take a look at all these candidates and say, who actually is like me and not trying to suck up to somebody else?
Well, yeah, but the reality of Republican politics is such, you know, the Trump endorsement at least has been, you know, the, the, the 30 pieces of silver for people to take.
I would remind people I have, you know, is during the pandemic that that.
Tom Tiffany ran for the first time in that special election.
His first ad was I want to go to Washington, DC to support Donald Trump and his mega agenda.
I mean, all these guys, that is what they're going to do.
They're going to pander to to Trump because as Pat likes to point out, and I think there's a lot of truth to it, is is an endorsement of one.
I do think there's some consternation that I've been hearing in the within certain Republican circles that.
that they need another candidate and it will be interesting to see how that plays out for
governor yeah i've
too and that's that's again these i i don't want to put it miss misinformation out there
But there's some line of thought I've heard rumbling around the halls of the building, uh, either cap state capital that maybe Robin Voss who's talked about, uh, resigning or, or not running again next year, that part of his thinking may be looking, looking at the situation in the governor's race and make it in for governor.
Oh, I don't know.
I mean, look, most people don't know that, you know, their legislator, they don't know who Robin Voss is.
But I think that he is a classic case of the more people learn about him, the less they like him.
And he has been one of the most polarizing figures for those folks who do, you know, pay attention to Wisconsin politics, and it would not take much to outline all the reasons why if you're dissatisfied with the direction of this state, of this country and this economy, because of Donald Trump,
Robin Voss is not going to be the thing that cures it.
No, I agree.
Trinket, what's the matter?
I mean, I think the other thing about that is I always take it with a grain of salt too, because having lived through, you know, in the late 90s, like you had McCallum and Kluge and all these guys, Margaret Farrow, that were thinking about, you know, the post Tommy era, running for governor and wanting to run for governor, I think.
Just about every state legislator looks in the mirror and sees a governor reflecting back
in the mirror.
Oh, yes.
Oh, 100%.
I can speak from
Let's let's switch gears just for a second and we're talking with Pat quite low host of mornings of Pat quite low every morning six until nine in civic media network and Trigby Olson senior advisor of the Lincoln project look shift over to the Democratic side and earlier today Democratic US senator from Wisconsin Tammy Baldwin put out a video endorsing Rebecca Cook one of the Democrats in the third congressional Democratic primary Pat as the Democrat here on the panel
I just think back when, look, I was running a race on the Republican side for John Sharpless in the primary in 98 when my former boss Scott Kluge decided not to run for the district that includes Madison.
Tammy Baldwin was one of at least five or six people in a Democratic primary.
And as an openly gay woman represented in the Isthmus of Madison, she would not have been the party favorite to win that because it included a lot of rural area.
former state senator Joe winicky would have been and I just don't understand why Democrats are a year out coordinating people.
I don't know if it's about a coronation in this particular case there in the third congressional district is a contingent of Democrats who simply
don't believe that, you know, Becca Cook is going to do better than the way that she fell just short last time around.
And so that's why they've turned to Emily Berge, the Eau Claire City Council president and why some of them embraced Laura Benjamin before she got out of the race.
And I think this is Tammy Baldwin's way of essentially saying,
guys in the congressional district, those Democrats, you're gonna have to get over this.
She has the fundraising, she has plenty of other endorsements, she has the drive, she has the momentum and anything else that's done at this point is simply going to divide the party and fractured in a way that makes it less likely to defeat Derek Van Orden.
I think she's looking at it from that very narrow
insider way of trying to make sure that a primary does not get super divisive.
I don't know that it's necessarily going to work because there are people who feel very strongly about you know supporting Emily Berge, but I think Senator Baldwin's trying to be
the the statesperson in this in this case.
We will hear from Trig V. Olsen on the Republican perspective.
All these primaries should parties be endorsing flash coordinating this early.
We'll ask him and more with Pat Kratlow and Trig V. Olsen for a Wednesday edition of the title of all show across Wisconsin on the Civic Media.
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They
can hear it on the screen.
Oh,
heard it
now.
All right.
Yes.
Aaron Aaron fixes everything.
He does.
He's the best.
He's
that, actually.
I'm your buddy, your pal.
Yeah, exactly.
He likes treats over at the mall.
Just give him a little liquid treat and he's good to go.
He joins us every Wednesday from his beautiful Lake Wissota Studios, Mr. Pat Crite-Lo, and from the Tony Suburbs in Washington, D.C., Trig V. Olsen joins us, former Republican like myself, and now a senior advisor and Lincoln Project guys before the break.
Talk a little bit about U.S.
Senator Democrat Tammy Baldwin doing a video endorsing Rebecca Cook, one of the two Democratic candidates for the Third Congressional District against Republican Derek Van Orden.
Trig V, your thoughts on if this is a healthy way for either party, but in this case, Democrats to go, basically saying this is our person a year before the election.
And kind of, in my opinion, is somebody who lost a couple of primaries for an assembly seat, stiffing the other candidate.
Oh yeah.
I was being lobbied about what I should say.
It's, you know, it's really hard for me because there's that I have two hats that I've worn in my life.
There's the hat of the activist who can't stand when the national party gets or national figures get in the middle of primary races because I do think that that the local people should get to decide who's the candidate.
But there's also the hat that I've worn.
professionally where I've had to kind of make resource decisions about house races.
And you have to remember there's 435 of them.
Democrats are probably looking at about 50 given where Trump's numbers are.
And you know, primaries, when you have that hat on, you think in terms of resources.
And so I understand why they want to clear the field and make it a have a long period to adjudicate.
Derek Van Odd One's service as the representative of the the MAGA wing of the third congressional district versus all the people.
But I also get where the activists in the district who support the other candidate are
not
The other thing to keep in mind, though, is
Again, they're all adults here and Congressman Mark Pokan Did not hesitate to endorse former state representative Katrina Shanklin last time around Katrina Shanklin fell short in the primary to Rebecca Cook and Mark Pokan did not you know take his ball and go home He was very active and again.
I'm sure it was more active about getting rid of Derek van Orden, you know
But he played nice.
And that's exactly what Tammy Baldwin will do no matter who wins this primary.
So, you know, again, I understand the whole thing about, you know, coordinating or anointing somebody.
And it's in the primary, it's easy to get, you know, your feelings hurt.
But at some point, you have to look at the strategic reasons why people do some of these things.
And then after the primary, you just have to keep your eyes on the prize.
Pat, before
we go to the bottom of the hour, we talked about this a bit last Wednesday.
Department of Public Instruction Superintendent Jill Underly has come under fire from liberal leading newspaper here in Madison, the Cap Times.
It is a story on how that department has handled allegations of grooming and sexual assault and abuse.
But now, in my opinion, the story has grown well beyond what the Cap Times reported because last Thursday, Dr. Jill Underly
blew off a assembly committee hearing in which they wanted to ask her questions about this so she could attend her alma mater at the Indiana University to receive a Distinguished Alumnus Award.
Pat, not a good look at my opinion.
Agree or disagree?
That's not a great look, but again, I think it distracts from the real issue here of, you know, the things that may have been done by these teachers to children and what the department has got to do.
And I would turn this into shameless self-promotion by urging everybody to go back and listen at 7.30 this morning.
We talked to State Representative Angelina Cruz, a Democrat from Racine who is on the Assembly Education Committee, and who had a Facebook post about this.
eviscerating the Republicans who are suddenly concerned and parachuting in, you know, some of the same people who are voting no on releasing the Epstein files, and now suddenly wanting to make hay at Jill Underly's expense.
Jill Underly was wrong not to talk to the reporter and arguably wrong about not showing up for a committee hearing that threatened to become even more of a sideshow than it already was, but Representative Cruz is right to say whatever your feelings on Dr. Underly, let's get to the issue of
how you make sure the Department of Public Instruction moves forward so that you do not have situations like this in the future.
I don't
disagree with
you, Pat, but again, I've been shocked at the amount of, instead of the Democrats doing similar to what you did and calling what Underly has done out and saying, look, this isn't right.
She needs to do this.
All they're doing is defending her and trying to say is misdirecting and how terrible Republicans are.
Well, last time I checked, you don't get to choose
when you testify before an assembly
or senate committee hearing, depending upon... No, actually, I disagree with that.
I disagree with that because it is quite possible, and I'm not claiming this, but that you know how short notice these committee meetings are set up sometimes.
It was five days!
And I would not be the least bit surprised if they already knew what Dr. Underly's travel schedule was.
Come on, Pat.
How
many times did your staff... My former boss missed anniversaries with his wife, kids' birthday parties, because he had to go do his job.
When you're a state legislator, when you're elected official, it doesn't matter.
If that's when the thing is, you show
up.
it was before you got some of the most recklessly unprofessional management of a legislature that I've ever seen anywhere in this bunch and they're not doing those kids any favors reschedule if you have to and keep at this till we get it done right but stop trying to turn it into political gamesmanship.
Well, we'll ask Trinkvie on the other side about this.
I think that Jill
Underly.
Jill Underly is a big loser, but as far as politically speaking, but Pat Kratlow is a big winner.
And you can see
his big
winning show every morning from six into nine.
Thank you, Patrick.
We'll talk to you next week.
Thank you, guys.
See you
later.
Come on back.
Trinkvie and I discussed this more on the other side.
A little Trumpster as well.
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We're 35 minutes past the hour of two o'clock and a win.
This is the October 29th, 2025.
Glad to have you along.
Many thanks to Pat Krightlow for making time for us each and every Wednesday.
A little spicy.
Trick me today.
You know, a little, a little, I like that.
You know, it's, it's, it's fun.
Pat fired up.
Trick me Olsen, senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, a former Republican like myself joins us from the outskirts of Washington, D.C.
Talking I just want to put a pit on this baby Again this whole issue that the story of the Capitol Times a week ago Friday in and it had some very serious concerns about how the Department of Public Instruction handles allegations of Grooming and sexual misconduct over 200 cases which we should remind people represents point zero zero three percent
of the overall teaching population, educational population in the state, very, very small percent.
But I think that for those alleged victims, that's certainly serious, right?
I just simply think that the story, and I think Pat was more or less in agreement with me, but you keep me honest, I think the story has gotten so much bigger in a negative way for Underly and all the great folks that are doing a good job at the Department of Public Instruction because she wasn't transparent.
Whatever you think about Chris Matthews, not you, Trigvie, but the general you, I like his writing.
And I think it was in his book, now here's what I really think.
He tells, or maybe it was on heart in the hard ball itself, kind of the rules of politics.
And as somebody who's worked in DC, Trigvie, you know this better than anybody else, one of the rules of politics is if you have a problem, hang a lantern on it.
Don't wait for it to come to you.
And I think that Underly has hurt herself.
her department and her profession by not being more transparent.
And and to a degree, it isn't a good look for the party either.
I think.
Well, I mean, an old adage in politics is if you're explaining, you're losing, right?
But she's not just explaining that she seems to be avoiding.
And if you're avoiding, you're getting clobbered.
Right.
And and on an issue like this.
She needs to I just think she needs to be aggressive.
I'm not sure She's being staffed right
that's right
like they need to find a friendly reporter that she can go to and Sit down and lay out the entire reality of it and then in that story
Make sure that they're getting across the points that they want to make and talk about and then stay on That message whether it's in front of legislative committee hearings But the more you look like you're coming up with excuses not to talk about it And she's no longer in a position where she's gonna get the benefit of the doubt because it keeps happening over and over again
Agreed.
Jim in Appleton listening on WISS, what a great station there in Oshkosh.
We have the call of Transponder in Appleton.
So you can listen to it as there says, come on, Todd, spread some of the victory all around.
How about Howard Markline, state senator, holding back funding to investigate these allegations.
Give under Lee arrest.
You've been on her for over a week.
Thanks, Jim always appreciate lists or ship and the and the opinion here.
Yeah, I mean I But I think that's What what interests me is the fact that I spend I don't know zombers could keep me honest I I probably spend 90% of this show Calling out our former party trippy Republicans on things.
I don't think including I've nobody's been tougher on Howard Markline on this network than me
And particularly when it comes to lack of funding for higher education and public education, I Yeah, absolutely, but I think to have any sort of trust with our listenership I also have to apply that same lens to the Democratic side and I would feel I mean how many when Republicans refused to go before the bipartisan January 6th committee Well, what are they afraid of why aren't they sitting there when when I joined Democrats and saying
Republicans released the Epstein file.
You have to apply that same lens to Democrats or I think you lose trust in people.
And in addition to that, you know, there's something liberating, which, you know, the first time, the way back when you started this show, you asked me to come on and I said, you're like, would you come on again?
And I'm like, I'll come on whenever you want.
You're like, how about every Wednesday?
Part of what I loved about it is.
You know, it's the opportunity in which is rare when you're on one of the two political teams and you're entrapped in our politics the
way it
or disagree.
We don't care.
Chris and Madison, WMDX don't agree.
Underly was set up like Pat suggested.
Agree with the caller drop it already.
It says Chris
Chris
She was not set up.
I mean, that's just I mean Wasn't it the cap time?
Yes, the cap time is the most liberal newspaper in Wisconsin is the one that brought
this
story Zombers
also the article did not just sit there and attack under Lee and everybody it did
explain, okay, there are reasons for these problems.
It said there is one and a half full time people, so one full time, one and a half time, to investigate all of these cases.
That is entirely inadequate.
And a bunch of other reasons, they talked about, yeah, there are a lot of problems.
So why didn't, why won't they talk about
Exactly.
I
I'm just going to be honest here.
The truth of the matter is, you know, you become secretary of the Department of Public Instruction, not because you're a world-class politician, right?
We're not talking about top-level political skill sets here.
Burt Norquist.
No, Burt Grover.
No, Burt Grover, not withstanding.
I forgot about him.
Yeah, exactly.
See, my case in point.
But she's not being served well by whosoever advising her, but at the end of the day, the buck stops with her.
And if one and a half people, the state legislature has...
partial responsibility for this, the governor, the governor's plural past.
Like there's a lot of people, but she's taking the entire brunt of it in part because she is not doing a very good job politically.
This is
why this is why I burned all my bridges.
Politically trigger me because I can't go back to our former former party and that's a funny thing when I when I was the whistleblower so to speak and came out and talked about closed caucuses and and how Republicans were Suppressing a voting.
Oh my gosh Democrats and liberals and progressive love me Oh, they wanted to
hail
me and then when I point out things on on the Democratic side when I tried to get a job helping a Democrat get elected to the Assembly They didn't want anything to do with me because I had betrayed my former party and why would I?
not do it to them.
They were suspicious of me.
And I said, I don't know, because I've always been told Democrats don't lie.
They didn't like that.
Right.
Yeah.
So.
dial this absorbers.
I'm like the dead skunk in the middle of the road stinking to high heaven.
I'm not left.
I'm not right.
I'm in the middle of the road.
Kurt in Madison and WM DX.
Thanks for holding Kurt.
What do you want to say about this?
Yeah, I have to challenge that on this.
You know, we're adults.
We're professionals.
We can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time doesn't take a lot of skill sets.
The failure that.
The failures that you have pointed out of her has now taken whatever career she has and she's literally trashed it and thrown it down the toilet because anyone that would look at a person who is in a position that she's in with a very sensitive topic that any parent would immediately become alarmed with.
demonstrates she doesn't care whether she's innocent or not.
And I don't think this has to do with anything with politics.
This is about the integrity of the individual.
Exactly.
And if she would have taken it on by the horns, head on and sat down saying, listen, I'm here to answer any questions.
I want to clear up the confusion.
But she didn't do that to hell with Indiana.
That's just a weaseling way out.
It's like, yeah, whatever.
So yeah,
she deserves the heat she's getting.
Thanks, I appreciate your opinion appreciate your illicit ship Look our our former colleague our friend Kristen Brie who writes for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has a great opinion piece on this I encourage everybody to go to the Journal Sentinel online Google Google up Kristen Brie She wrote a great piece on this and Kristen is no no right-winger She is a she is a devil and she is getting eviscerated right now by liberals and Democrats because
And in her op-ed, she literally says, this shouldn't be political.
We need to find solutions.
And it isn't going after underly, personally, at all.
And liberals are losing their mind over this.
It's political extremism, right?
Yeah.
These guys say this all the time.
Political extremism has four pieces, psychological distress, acceptance of simplistic answers.
overconfidence and the rightness of those simplistic answers, and then ultimately intolerance for anybody who doesn't share them.
And if you're at that point, it's my team always right, other team always wrong.
And the truth of the matter is, if you're in politics where we were, and this is a case, like there's lots of things that are gray areas, but in this case, when it comes to the actual issue, it isn't even gray.
It's pretty binary and she's just botching it and I don't I don't know what kinds of I guess you can be
state superintendent of public instruction and run for governor.
Tony Evers proved that.
I don't know if that's which she maybe looks at herself in the mirror, but like she's ended any potential of her ever running for governor.
So at this point, just start doing the right thing.
And the crazy part is this was an opportunity for her to have a sister soldier in moment.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Chris Madison says, Todd, get a grip.
on WMDX.
Brett in Kiwani says, W-I-S-S, sounds like you're feeling to hurt.
Nothing new has been said on today's show yet.
Here's the thing, if he really wants to make our day, he'll invite us up to Kiwani to go to a fish boil sometime.
Right?
Kiwani has great fish boils.
He could do the show live from a fish boil in Kiwani.
I'm all for that.
My neighbor's growing up.
The Lipskis, aka the Lipsticks, they are wonderful people, wonderful people.
They were from Kiwani and we used to go over there and we.
Camp at Pottawatomie State Park, and we'd always go to the fish one.
That's the thing could
disagree on subjects or whatever and still enjoy a fish boil together or a fish fry, whichever.
much.
Probably not.
No, they're just a little salty, but that's okay.
People, a lot of people are salty.
Trigby Olson, senior advisor at Lincoln Project, joining us as he does every Wednesday.
Speaking of political extremism, we'll move to Donald Trump, who has said that repeatedly he wants the third term.
Although the Constitution says he can't, has Trump 2028 hats in the White House, in the Oval Office, although the Constitution says he can't.
Probably got to come back on the other cut, right?
Well, we have a cut.
Donald Trump on Air Force One, he's traveling around the world, and something's happened, Trigby.
I'm not sure what it is, but he's suddenly changing his tune on the third term.
Is it for real?
48 hours, 48 hours later.
48 hours later.
Is it real?
Or is he just kind of baiting us and making us feel better?
It's Memorax, Todd.
Memorax.
There's no throwback in the past.
All right, so I'm going to dial up a little Def Leppard to take us to break.
I'm going to back more with Trigby and how about the love?
Love solves everything.
Special for Aaron Rodgers to come up back.
Oh, we need his love, baby.
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No good time to cut into Don McLean on American Pie.
That's why you didn't want it to be played.
At least the music didn't die that time.
No, it worked, right?
You can hear it.
That's fantastic.
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Glad to have him along.
No Terry Barr.
She's busy.
She's a busy person.
I know how much you love to have her.
We
but doesn't she do the intro?
She's not live.
It's prerecorded.
Oh, really?
Do you think it's like old time radio where Terry just comes in every day?
right.
A lot of people are afraid.
I couldn't be that lucky when I'm in the studio.
I know.
We're going to get you guys together, though.
A lot of people are afraid that the American Dream is dying.
Drag me when it comes to democracy.
Donald Trump.
2028 Trump hats in the Oval Office.
He speaks about it all the time.
But yesterday on a flight in his Asian tour around the Asian countries, um, he, he had, well, he had to qualify.
That's why I said that.
I'm like, oh geez, you know, he's, what else do you call it?
Asian tour around the Asian country.
I don't know.
Anyway, here's Trump, uh, play the cut somers.
It's
just as you're trolling when you talk about a third term.
Are you trolling or are you serious?
I don't think he said that.
I don't think he used that term.
But it's a very interesting thing.
I have the best numbers for any president in many years, any president.
And I would say that if you read it, it's pretty clear I'm not allowed to run.
I'm a student.
Donald
aboard
best
about?
Terry is now tuning in.
So Trigby is happy.
Terry Barr, the one and only co-host of Max Inc Radio every Saturday night at six o'clock on WMDX.
You can hear on the app as well.
And she's our, are she so kind enough?
She doesn't need this gig, but she's so kind enough that she allows herself to be used as our, not used, but I mean, she's kind enough to be our announcer for this show.
about?
I don't know What what what do you attribute to this change tree?
That's I mean you're somebody who's fought authoritarianism
Eastern Europe I mean is he is he just trying to misdirect are they gonna because Steve Bannon was on what 48 hours ago saying that Trump was gonna get a third term so get used to it
Well, that's helpful.
Thank you for your analysis.
I will say this.
This is the thing that's hilarious about that.
Like, there's a piece of me that's like, okay, sure, Donald, run for a third term and let Obama, let Obama, you can get what you want.
Run against Obama and see what happens.
But of course they would not want Obama running because nothing would be worse for Donald Trump than losing to Barack Obama And I think Obama doesn't even want to run because like he actually took an oath to uphold the Constitution, but that not withstanding I mean Here's the thing it does get interesting because there are a lot of people Ted Cruz
J.D.
Vance, there's a lot of people who, when they're looking in the mirror, see a future president reflecting back at them.
And of course, they are all walking a delicate dance because if Donald Trump does not run for a third term, the most valuable thing that you could get would be Donald Trump's support.
And there's a piece of me that thinks that these guys are all playing just a fool's game anyway because in truth, Donald will probably want Eric Trump or Don Jr.
or Ivanka or one of those people because...
Well, that's just the world we're living in
today
Uh, not a lot of time you left, uh, Charles Franklin, the great Charles Franklin, who runs, uh, uh, the Marquette Law School poll, came out with a new poll.
Today finds a large majority of Wisconsin voters not yet tuned in to who is running a major 2026 elections.
No, uh, Canada has established strong position in public favorability.
And either the governor, the state Supreme Court races or large majorities of voters are simply undecided.
So a surprise surprise trick me.
Nobody is paying attention.
Good.
That's good.
They got
All he
that?
Thank you.
But I'm not sure if you heard DC, our great sports reporter Mike Clemens actually got an interview with Aaron Rodgers and he was extraordinarily complimentary about the fans and the city and the organization of Green Bay and the Green Bay Packers.
I will give him that, that he was a class act this last week.
the high road.
But no.
And I didn't take it.
No, I'm not sure there's a full moon.
It says there's a full moon a week away, but people are just there.
Something's going on right now.
Halloween, maybe.
Quickly dick in Madison and MDX.
Quickly dick 30 seconds, please.
Go
ahead.
If you guys have been watching him lately, I'm talking about
Trump.
Yeah.
Did you see
him in that receiving line with the president between?
He's bouncing around in that room like a pinball.
It takes him a half an hour to come down the steps of Air Force One.
My point is I hate to be mean, but no.
Everybody
that.
We gotta make hay while the sun shines, Trigby.
Trigby Olson, every Wednesday, we appreciate my friend fighting them on Substack, by the way.
Oh,
about to hit the center.
All right, Substack on Triggy.
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