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Todd Alba along Mr. Aaron Zabers, our producer and engineer.
It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Tuesday, October 28th, 2025.
It is a great day.
to be Wisconsinite.
Welcome everybody at the World Headquarters of Civic Media, downtown Madison at the intersection of State Street and Fairchild.
Zommer is a cloudy day as we take a look at the Sam Davidson Street Cam in downtown Madison this morning.
Cloudy fall day, seasonal out there, people milling about downtown Madison.
Leaves starting to well, the one tree across the street, there's still a lot of green on it, but the other one is yellowish and.
Yellowish and losing its leaves, kind of like my hair, losing its leaves.
Zawar, I feel like my voice has gotten worse again today.
I think a little bit.
A little bit.
Apologize to all of our listeners, continue to push through.
I'm just glad so far it's nothing worse than a celebratory clan stone and I think some seasonal allergies, but yeah, I apologize.
It's not more pleasant to listen to, but we'll try to push on and big show today.
Glad to have you along with us here in our number two at Wisconsin Fun Fact and very seasonal edition of What's Worst Today, Reiki Leaves or Cleaning Gutters.
We'll talk about that in hour two.
This will be a good time to have by all.
Gonna follow up on a story that we started yesterday on changes happening at CBS News.
Of course, the apparent company Paramount.
has been bought by Skydance or merged with Skydance.
And they hired Barry Weiss, who ran the conservative leading free press.
They paid her seven times the value for that online publication, 150 mil.
And they made her the editor-in-chief of CBS News.
And now yesterday there was word from John Dickerson himself, one of the co-anchors of the CBS Evening News.
He is leaving that broadcast and the network
By the end of the year unclear whether it was entirely his choice and now 60 minutes former 60 minutes producer Bill Owens speaking out and more news today changes coming fast and furious Paramount's going to announce at least a thousand job cuts tomorrow and Barry Weiss You're not gonna believe who she's courting to bring into CBS news.
We're gonna tell you that in a little while here
Also going to talk about governor evers press conference yesterday And laying out I think this is good In real terms what it's going to cost Wisconsinites for their affordable care act ie also known as Obamacare Was going to cost Wisconsinites new premiums if The tax credits are not extended by Congress as a part of this shutdown will tell you the real numbers
What that's going to mean.
Also, we didn't get to this as we want to use so many things out there.
I feel as I think we should need to just revisit this and we will today.
Over the weekend, Canada put out a great ad from Ontario to put in context what traditional Republicans in this country, especially Ronald Reagan, thought of tariffs and Donald Trump did not like it.
Well, you hear the ad for yourself on that as well other news It's got my a great cup by our Mike Clemens the interviewed Aaron Rodgers over the weekend as part of that Steelers Packers game and We I don't think it's been played in its entirety.
We'll play it later on today great question by our Mike Clemens to Aaron Rodgers about an iconic moment
And his time in Green Bay and Roger's own words will play that for you as well.
Yeah, great
I will say it.
It really was.
And by that, you stayed up sobers for the World Series last night.
It was a two for a two for one game.
It went a full 18 innings 18 most of all games are nice.
So what basically they played two games last night Got done the wee hours of the morning and
tired Freddie Freeman who of course gave the Brewers everything they could handle and more in the NLCS Freddie Freeman in the bottom of the 18th this Mike Clemens reported
Walk off home run Dodgers win six to five.
They go up two or three.
No, three games to two.
No, three games to one, right?
I don't know what it was.
No, it's it's two games to one right now.
So anyway, it was an exciting World Series and a game last night.
I did not watch it.
I was I was trying to recuperate the voice and it's chilling out last night.
But anyway, we'll keep on on that as well.
But first at 11 minutes past the hour of two o'clock Want to bring you this and I guess but a lot of time because it's international news But I think it's of the importance that we need to at least mention this on this program headline courtesy of the Associated Press Gaza ceasefire Tested as Israel and Hamas exchange fire and blame In the Gaza Strip today Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said
that he has ordered the army to immediately carry out quote unquote powerful strikes in Gaza.
And Hamas responded by saying it would delay handing over the body of a hostage, putting new pressure on the tenuous U.S.
broker and ceasefire.
Associated Press reporters and witnesses her tank fire and saw explosions in various parts of Gaza, including Gaza City.
The order for the strike came after an Israeli official said Hamas had fired on its forces in southern Gaza.
And after the Palestinian militant group handed over body parts yesterday, the Israel said were the partial remains of the hostage recovered earlier in the war.
To kind of just cut to the chase on this, and I'm no expert, but.
listening to actual legitimate expert reporting out of the region.
Part of the ceasefire deal was that Hamas would turn over the live hostages, which as far as we know, they've done to date to Israel and Israel turned over Palestinian prisoners to Palestine, which they did.
And then the other part of it was that Hamas would turn over the remains of those hostages that died while in captivity.
And it's been going, they've been delivering remains.
And yesterday they were supposed to deliver Hamas was remains to Israel.
And after the testing by the official Israeli department that does autopsies through DNA evidence, they determined that the body parts that were given to them were, I'll show you, put it, uh, more remains from someone they already had.
So in other words.
Obviously the body had been completely decomposed.
And so they already had those remains.
And through DNA, they were able to say, no, no, no, you didn't give us everything.
This is nothing new.
This remains of somebody we already have.
And that's kind of set things off.
I don't know that anyone really expected this so called Trump broker deal to hold.
And as I've said this program before, if
Trump's people had anything to do with the ceasefire.
Look, I'm glad for it.
But the ceasefire as many are in this region of the world is tenuous at best.
So we'll continue to follow that on this Tuesday for you as well, much closer to home here in Wisconsin.
And we've talked about this on this program before.
And it's something I think is only going to continue to be one of the top stories in this state.
Data centers, data centers, whatever you want to call them.
This from Channel 3000 here in Madison, the CBS affiliate, the village of DeForest, which is just, it's a suburb just north of Madison, has been approached for a possible data center.
A data center company is exploring whether to build a center in the village of DeForest according to village administrator,
Bill Chang, he said that the QTS data centers approached the forest about possibly annexing land for the center.
The village has not yet received any petition for annexation or land use approvals.
Chang said if an annexation petition was filed with the village, it would be reviewed.
with state statutes and with other considerations, the project's impact on the village.
The project will also be reviewed by the Wisconsin Department of Administration.
We're seeing this all over the state.
And God bless Charlie Barron's, who normally does not wade into partisan political battles.
Great comedian, great deal you host, minute to walk minute.
He's the keeper moving guy.
You see him now on quick trip ads.
Great guy.
And he's using his platform, Charlie Barron's, to bring awareness to this and say, look, these data centers, they ain't everything that they're cracked up to be.
And we've had people on this program before talking about this.
I don't like them at all.
I'll just be honest.
I don't think there's any reason to have them in Wisconsin.
Look, we're going to have data centers in the United States, whether they come to Wisconsin or not.
And this whole line that they're using to sell this to people of Wisconsin is, oh, look at the jobs we're going to create.
Look at, you know, look at the tax base we'll create.
Well, most of the jobs are going to be robotic.
It's not going to be thousands of jobs.
And the trade-off is, as Charlie Behrens has pointed out, almost every place these data centers are built, the price of electricity to UNI, the general Wisconsinite, goes up.
And add into that the millions of gallons of water that these data centers need to cool, all this stuff.
And again, these data centers, you know, it supports the cloud.
Yeah.
And one quick note on the water usage, a lot of them are using different cooling system with a closed loop.
So it's not consuming water necessarily, but it still could raise the temperature of a lake, which is really bad for fish.
Or even with a closed loop, instead of using up water, now it's just going to use a lot more electricity.
Right.
No, you're absolutely right.
And that's what leads to higher prices.
And it's Charlie Barron's, as you pointed out, Somers.
We don't know the full implication to our lakes, our fish, our streams.
And I think most Wisconsinites value the fact that we have some great trout streams in this state.
That's from great places to lakes, to fish for bluegills, croppings, walleye, bass.
And I think we better be pretty careful and do some more research here.
and ask some more pointed questions and I've said in this program I get it from a local elected official standpoint because unfortunately the republican controlled legislature at the capitol is not appropriating the amount of the money they should to help support local governments so the local government is faced with a choice either a raise local taxes on our constituents to pay for things or
Try to do one of these kind of out-of-the-box deals So the local elected official has put the box but be careful Before you sign these agreements Because the the implications to our communities Could be lifelong
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on the board.
Glad to have you along.
You're talking a little bit more about another proposed data center this time in the south central part of the state here in Dane County, one of our suburbs of Madison called de Forest, not the trees, but de Forest.
Anyway, one of the data centers tried to hone in and I get it from local governments who are not getting the appropriate amounts of money from.
the state capitol and the republican control legislature for local governments to keep services going, then they say, well, okay, we either got to cut services locally or we got to raise the local taxes on our friends and neighbors.
And along come these out of town or out of state and sometimes out of country folks that say, well, here's a few million dollars if you let us build a data center.
And it's all kind of ambiguous.
It's like, oh yeah, we all use data.
And the more that we use the handheld devices, right?
The more data centers we need to, to store all this.
But what isn't being talked about enough, particularly in the state is the damage this potentially could do to our waterways, to our fish in those waterways, and the fact that it could raise electricity prices on the average, everyday consumer.
So I caution and people mean there's another one down in Jamesville last night in Rock County Where another data center they want to take over the old GM plant General Motors plant the closed years ago want to transform that into a data center Well, if you ever been to Jamesville, they have the beautiful Rock River and everything there and and None of this very little of this is being taken into consideration And so I urge all of me this gonna
hit every part of Wisconsin, you guys.
So I hope everyone listening to this program, when these data centers are proposed for your local community, go to the meetings.
Ask questions.
Cuz this is gonna affect all of us as Wisconsinites in one way or the other let's go to the phone lines 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Troy listing in Mount Horrib on WM DX here in Madison Troy.
Thanks for calling.
Let's see
I'm wondering in the Milwaukee area how they get how they're getting these approved Waukesha had to beg for water From the Great Lakes
Every border state and Canada to the Great Lakes had to approve Waukesha getting water.
So how are these data centers being allowed to use these massive amounts of water?
I
don't know the 100% answer, Troy.
My best guess, educated guesses, and I'll double check myself on this.
My guess is because maybe because Waukesha was going to use that water from the Great Lakes as part of their municipal water system, where these data centers, the way that they, they presented, at least in some cases, early to Xamar's earlier point is, well, they're not actually consuming, quote unquote, the water.
They're just letting it pass through to cool their system.
So they're not actually taking water out of the Great Lakes.
They're just letting it pass through.
And my guess is that that's the difference
I would think these governments would want wouldn't want the lake temperature to be raised like it's going to
bingo
on that also and they would they would Object to that as well.
You would think and I think there are citizens and groups out there.
They're doing just that But but the point Troy you bring it up.
I've talked about is that I get it, right?
As a former local elected official in this state, I get it that when costs are going up locally and the Republican legislature is not giving you the amount of money that you need, then as a local elected official, it's either you gotta look at your friends' neighbors in the face and say, I'm voting to raise your taxes.
Or are these people come in from out of town and dangle your environment, right?
Or are you but but the way it's being presented and you've seen you'll Troy you've seen this I'm sure I mean this the reason I'm so skeptical Is because I was working in the state capital for former Republican Senator Dale Schultz when Scott Walker tried to Do well I did fracking in the state and over road local governments to allow fracking in the state and also the same snow job
up in northern Wisconsin, and this is how they sold it.
By the way, thanks for calling Troy.
This is how they sold it, was that tens of thousands of jobs, all we have to do is change our environmental standards to make it easier for mining companies.
And remember that state of the state that Walker had, Scott Walker, where it looked like the village people behind him.
They had guys in hard hacks and an axe picks and but they brought the state flag and said, oh look, there's a minor on our state flag.
This is our heritage.
Well, yeah, when it's when the state was founded and they use that as a reason and the leader in changing Wisconsin's environmental laws to do this was as they say, toxic Tom Tiffany, who is in the state Senate at the time now wants to be governor.
And you know how many and they passed my boss was the only one a Republican side to vote against it and They passed it and they changed the environmental laws to endanger our rice fields our native rice fields to endanger our trout streams to endanger our lakes to endanger the Great Lakes to endanger people's drinking water and How many jobs is it created?
zero
Not one We have we got time yet Ollie and Kurt hang on we got to do a little farm news with our friend Pam Yankee and the Midwest farm report And we'll come back and discuss this a little bit further Because I think it's an important I get I get the allure All right.
I just have to understand the allure for local governments, but I've seen this movie before I bought the t-shirt.
I know how it ends
And it ain't good for Wisconsin.
Come on back 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2 is the all-ball show for a Tuesday.
We will talk more about data centers and we will tell you how to survive AI on the other side of Civic Media Random.
Spears.
Nicely done.
Welcome back to the program.
This hot hall ball show on the Civic Media Ready Network, 35 minutes now past the hour of two o'clock.
Britney Spears and Toxic.
Well done.
It sounds like, I mean, that's the way the song is, but it freaks me out because it sounds like it's cutting out or something.
Oh, right,
All right, welcome back.
We're talking about the implications.
People like toxic Tom Tiffany former state senator from northern, Wisconsin now us congressman that wants to be governor Running for it in next year's elections these data centers in Wisconsin by the way, summer's told me forget Great report by the way from it was far report director Pam Yankee talking about the pork producers give away meat
in Wisconsin, the people who snap benefits could be cut off at the end of this week.
I want to return to that a little bit later because our own Dan Schaefer, the recombobulation area, similar thing happening in Milwaukee.
So especially for our listeners on WAUK, I want to come back to that.
But right now, talking about these data centers, there's one proposed, going to be proposed here in Dane County in DeForest, one down in Rock County, a new one they had a hearing on last night in Janesville, happening all over the state.
And I get the local elected officials are intrigued by this because they don't want to raise taxes of their local friends and neighbors and Republicans in the state legislature aren't adequately funding them.
So these out of state and sometimes out of country investors come in and say, well, I'll give you X millions of dollars to build a data center.
But what we don't know yet is the full impact it has on our streams and lakes in terms of fish population.
and our drinking water.
And we do know that in most cases where these data centers have been built, local electricity prices to local consumers go up.
So I just, and I've seen this movie before in the Walker administration where they gut environmental laws on mining in Northern Wisconsin.
And so they're going to bring all kinds of jobs and it turned out to be a boondoggle.
The environmental rules got gutted, but no jobs.
So just I'm just bringing this up because it's gonna affect all of us in Wisconsin 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Let's go first of all to Ali in the Northwood soliciting on WB zh in Hayward Ali.
Thanks for calling.
What's a you?
Well, I'm so glad you're bringing this up again and again because I think people really need to know how how disastrous this can be for
our state.
Water-wise, electric-wise, bills have gone up.
I've watched, I've been checking this out for quite some time and watched a lot of videos and done a lot of research and the amount of water that they use is horrendous.
And they go to town halls and they tell people what the people want to hear.
That money is coming your way, but they don't tell them the real story.
And I watched people from towns in the South say how bad it has been for their town.
People who live next to them, their wells have run dry.
They have sludge in there.
in their pumps instead of fresh water.
And these are farmers that this is happening to.
Can Wisconsin, the land of the dairy farmer afford to have this happen here out in the northeast?
I don't remember exactly what state it was, but they had a drought, normal drought, but it was
made 10 times worse by the amount of water used by the data center.
And you also brought up the point about mining, which has been on local news recently that they plan to relax any regulations when it comes to data centers.
Right?
No, it all goes together.
All he thinks of the call, all great points.
And I'm not saying I'm an environmental lawyer and have all the answers here.
I'm just saying based on research that I've done, but listen to other people, but Charlie Barron's isn't going to risk his livelihood or his reputation of being an honest Wisconsin straightforward guy if he didn't have some data.
And my or Charlie Barron's for coming out.
against these data centers, 855-752-4842.
Let's go to Kurt, listening on WMDX here in Madison.
Kurt, what do you want to say?
I'm really glad you're having this discussion because as someone who has an engineering background, I see a lot of stuff that I cringe.
I couldn't believe of what happened.
So to get to the point is what we're discussing here is the externalities of
what will happen if we put a facility like this in different places of the country, or in this case, Wisconsin.
And if that same logic and procedure was done with everything, just about everything we consume, I'm not talking about groceries and stuff like that, but the things that we buy in the store and in two years later throw away and inzip in a landfill, it would change the landscape of pollution in a staggering way.
And the only other thing I want to add into this is, if we are going to do the data centers, then maybe we should have someone smart enough to conduct business like Alaska did with the pipeline.
So you put everything in place to ensure that they're not pulling groundwater to exhaust their water.
They have to engineer this in a way that it's almost zero impact.
You'll never get to zero.
collect the fees.
You want to say have us screw the us getting the increase on power and water.
No, for every megabit of data that flows from these things, you're going to be writing us a dividend check.
No, a great, great call.
Back into Wisconsin.
Great point, Kurt.
Really appreciate that.
Really thoughtful and being an engineer.
Uh, important call as well.
I appreciate that.
855-752-4842.
Let's go up to beautiful Northwest Wisconsin, the Chippewa Valley on WCFW.
The tap up a beautiful Eau Claire Jean.
Eau Claire Jean.
Thanks for calling.
We'll see you.
Great job here.
Wonderful topic.
You know, the people.
that this is impacting right now.
Everybody needs to educate themselves and thank you for providing that and people need to do more.
And your local representatives, and we've been through this, I've been through this with San Mining BS that went on and all the stuff that comes with that, but your representatives need your support in order to turn down these companies and enlarge the number of constituents that stand up and call this out.
in their concerns the easy it is for those people to vote no and they are offering the world there's so many things that are impacted your streets and roads that comes to you when they're doing the construction part you guys will be paying for it uh... it's unbelievable and you know we saw the debacle people lost their land you know when they
grab their lands, annex their lands, farmers lost property and stuff, and it was a big boondockle.
So thank you so much, Todd, for covering this.
And people, please be aware.
Talk to people up dealt with this.
Really do your research, because it will impact you not in a positive way.
Thank you very much.
Thanks, Gene.
Appreciate it, Gene.
Gene O'Claire, WCFW, the tap.
Gene brings up a great point, which is you have a, you, all of us,
But everywhere across the state, you have a much larger impact on your local municipality.
All right.
That's not to say that I'm anti no Kings rally or anything like that.
I think they're great.
It gives people a sense we're not alone.
It shows American discontent, you know, standing up to power.
I think that's all great.
But simply based on my own experience,
Major protests, with maybe the exception of the civil rights movement, but big protests usually don't have a direct impact on an outcome.
That worked in the Capitol when 100,000 people showed up to protest Act 10.
And other than my former boss Dale Schultz, every other Republican didn't care.
And the reason my boss voted no wasn't because the 100,000 protesters, he voted no because he went into his own district and had 700 people in a gymnasium at Dodgeville High School.
And that was repeated in Richland Center, in Boston, in Reedsburg, in Plattville, in Lancaster.
And he listened to his own constituents.
So protests, major protests usually don't have a direct line of impact on
Law or policy what does have an impact is when you show up to your local city council meeting or your local town board meeting or your local county board meeting or your local school board meeting because The people there know that you're directly voting for them or not And so jeans point show up at these local governmental meetings it will have a huge impact
eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, talking about data centers in the state of Wisconsin.
They're going to touch everybody, you guys.
So if it hasn't come to your community yet, be prepared.
Rick in Waukesha, listening to WAUK, Waukesha Milwaukee.
Rick, what's saying?
Well, uh, they're talking about the heat temperature in the lake.
Do they have any kind of holding ponds that cool the temperature down?
Great question.
They put it in the lake.
Right.
You know,
somehow to not make it such a
big shock.
That's a great question, Rick.
I appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
Rick at Walkie Shot, AUK.
These are the types of questions that we should not only be asking at local meetings, but we should demand scientific answers for.
Brett.
In Brown Deer, a U.K.
says the one thing they are trying to put in Port Washington, or the one they're trying to put in Port Washington, the data center, will consume as much energy as it takes to power four million homes.
That demand will raise everyone's electric bills, and it has no other choice.
The Chuckster.
Haven't heard from the Chuckster in a while.
Great to hear from the Chuckster in Racine.
Listening to WMDX actually here in Madison.
Must be using the Civic Media app.
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That's what Gale King over at CBS News, at least for now, calls a deal.
We'll get into that in a minute.
The Chuckster says, wasn't it the Scott Walker slash Donald Trump era of our state GLP lawmakers changed water use and access laws for Foxconn and his promise of 13,000 jobs?
It was the Walker administration.
But but part of it lingered on into the Trump administration.
Trump was not president when the Foxconn deal was cut.
Talk about another boondoggle.
Ask people in Southeast Wisconsin about that.
All right, it is 47 minutes past the hour I'll make sure we get into this AI artificial intelligence All right, a lot of people worry.
There's gonna take jobs, right?
What skills will keep you employed in the age of AI?
Well humans are already
losing jobs to artificial intelligence, but others are getting new jobs because they know AI and how to work with it.
Adapting to AI will not be simple.
It'll require continued learning.
Working with AI means questioning its results and keeping up as AI continues to improve.
Adapting to AI won't be about technical skills.
It'll be about having good.
Human judgment.
I'm going to talk a little bit more on the other side.
How we survive AIs, taking your calls as well on Tuesday, 855-752-4842.
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I've looked into the future.
I've consulted a crystal ball a futuristic I'm going to perish at the hands the paws of an AI dog a Robotic dog.
I know it.
That's going to be the death of me the robotic dog Welcome back to the top.
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Tony Evers talking about the Affordable Care Act premiums for Wisconsinites.
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The new ad driving Trump nuts.
And Mike Clements gets Aaron Rodgers to tell a cool story about his time in Green Bay.
All of that in hour two.
So stay tuned.
Right now we're talking about the skills that you need to stay employed in the age of AI.
Also talking about data centers.
here in Wisconsin, just to finish up the AI part, we said adapting to artificial intelligence won't be about technical skills.
It will be about having good human judgment.
Good judgment is based in honesty, trustworthiness, and ethics.
Good judgment that enables us to use data from a machine to help make decisions that are good for humans.
and good for business.
I think that's some pretty good advice.
Because, I mean, I'm sorry, I don't believe in my lifetime, maybe a deal, but not my life.
They're not gonna come up with an AI that can completely replace the human brain in terms of ethics.
855-752-4842.
Let's go up to beautiful Merrimack.
Jack in Merrimack.
Jack, thanks for calling in.
Listening to WMDX.
Let's see.
Well, first of all, the thing that obviously makes us human is being able to pick out the traffic lights on a nine, three by three grid.
Right.
So right now, are you a bot anybody who's ever tried to log on to something?
Yeah, are you a bot which
people
Jack.
We're good
Okay, so the the issue with data centers is complex and I know you realize that the problem I see is Everybody has a not in my backyard attitude
that has been talking on your show so far.
Right.
Including me, by the way.
I'll put myself in that category, but go ahead.
But we're going to need them.
And they're going to be built somewhere.
And what has to be done, and of course with the current administration, this is not going to happen.
But those kind of things have to be appropriately regulated, just like a lot of other businesses.
should be, which they aren't being done either on this administration.
But that's another topic.
But the bottom line is, for instance, yes, you should have cooling towers.
And I'm a scientist, but I'm definitely not an expert on data centers.
But if you're going to use a lot of water, and it's going to be heated up, you're going to have to have cooling towers before you end up recycling that water.
One of the other things is,
that there should be a requirement that if you build a center like this, you supply at least 50% of the power.
Solar panels, wind power and batteries, I don't care how it's done, not fossil fuels, but that should be
another
important thing about regulating these data
centers.
Steve Jack, you just made it clear.
One of the reasons I love doing this show every day, because of people like you and all of our other great lit, because you bring balance to the show, Jack.
You've kept me honest, and I appreciate that, because you're right.
I'll put myself in the Numbi, not my backyard category, but I think you make a great and important point that it's not, and we've had people on this show that have said, look, you can't just stop data centers from ever happening, but it's how you do it.
And I appreciate the balance, Jack.
And I guess that I'll give a qualified opinion, which is, yes, if it's done like you're suggesting under a heavy regulation and done the right way, quote unquote, a correct way.
Okay.
But I have no confidence in, as we sit here right now, in the next three and a half years that that will happen.
And that's why I'm so opposed to it.
Is that fair?
That's that's certainly a reasonable approach with with the current administration.
I mean these you know The whole idea is laser fair economics with this administration right that which which is You can't have a capitalist society with with no regulations whatsoever and that's what these guys want.
Yeah
Appreciate the call, Jack.
Have a great day up there, beautiful Merrimack.
I forgot to ask about the ferry.
I think it's still open.
Uh, ferry is still open up there at Merrimack.
All right.
I want to hit this quickly, Dan Schaefer, passing this along.
Uh, the city of Milwaukee, Milwaukee County, Milwaukee Public School District, the Milwaukee Bucks.
How about that?
Faith leaders and other partners are launching a unified effort to ensure families have access to food and basic necessities during the federal government shutdown.
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