Are We Overreacting To Trump’s Actions? Probably Not. (Hour 1)

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd

Alba.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Alba, along with Mr. Aaron Zummers, our producer and engineer on the board.

It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Wednesday, October 8th, 2025.

It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite, and it is... Pump day!

That's right.

Even on, perhaps, clinch afternoon for the Milwaukee Brewers, the camel has...

His gold and blue jersey on in the wings here.

It's fantastic.

Welcome, everybody, to a midweek edition of the show.

Got my October baseball t-shirt on.

I've worn it every day of the playoffs.

Yes, I wash it in between.

But I didn't want to break that tradition until, you know, they don't win a game.

But hopefully they can clinch tonight.

And you can hear over this afternoon, actually, our second hour.

at least the first half hour from three until three thirty will essentially be an extra pregame show for the Brewers.

You can hear it on several of our stations this afternoon.

Some of our stations will break away from this program for the Brewers pregame show right around three thirty.

That'll be on WRCE in Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh.

WCQM and Park Falls and WBZH in Hayward, Wisconsin.

Our show will continue on the stream, as they say, but over the air on those stations, the Brewers pregame first pitch just after four o'clock in the friendly confines of Wrigley Field.

Let's hope it's friendly for the crew this afternoon.

Very, very excited.

We'll talk Brewers baseball.

I have some highlights on Quentin Priester, also of manager

Pat Murphy a little bit later on.

Also in hour number two, we're going to talk to a member of the Mung, Wisconsin Chamber of Commerce as they have festivities going on this weekend up the beautiful Chippewa Valley area.

And speaking of the Chippewa Valley's favorite native son, the one, the only, the host of mornings of Patrick Kraitlo every morning from six until nine from not Lake Wissota,

but a

secure undisclosed location.

Pat Kraitlo, how are you?

I'm doing fine.

An official yee-haw from down here in Dallas, where I'm traveling, visiting daughters and grandkids and things like that.

And after a tour of the Fort Worth Stockyards yesterday, there was there a lot of shops there.

I was so tempted to go into one of the Dallas Cowboys pro shops and just

yell, you know, where's the packer gear at?

But knowing what I know about how many people carry guns in Texas, I thought the better of it and decided I'd rather be here today.

So

here I am.

Thank you.

Even even on his when he's out of town, he still makes time for us.

We appreciate that.

And from our just outside of our nation's capital, River Falls, boy, originally now living in the greater DC area and senior advisor of the Lincoln Project, Mr. Trigvie Olson.

Trigvie, you're going to be out back here in Wisconsin by the end of the.

week.

Coming at early tomorrow morning.

Tomorrow morning.

That's fantastic.

You bring the fam

up for a

little college official college visit, right?

College visit.

Yep.

That's true.

W O Claire.

That's that's it.

My fingers across.

You got a blue gold in the family.

I'm hoping

she's not going to look at Eau Claire, but okay.

It was PSAT today as she was taking the PSAT

all

the juniors, I guess, across the country.

Makes

me

sad, Todd.

Why?

How is that possible?

She's taking the PSAT.

Well, she's taking it, you know, not the way that we all did with with an abacus, you know, and having to hammer and chisel our answers onto a slab.

So

that is true.

I

graduated.

I

remember after I took the PSAT, I went home, watched Pat on WEA.

I graduated high school 1988 and I was the last class.

that did not have to take either the ACT or the SAT to get into college, and I did not take it.

And look where that got, look where that got you.

Look where that got you, buddy.

Study

harder, boys and girls.

That's all I can tell you.

Although it's us mid-afternoon.

Yes, exactly.

Gen Z way in here.

I never had to take the PSAT.

I don't think I had to take the SAT I did anyway because I figured why not tests or something I am good at for better or for worse.

I did take the ACT though.

But I mean, I don't know which ones you have to take now, but I didn't have to take the SAT.

I don't know.

But Pat, your kids are out of the house.

Now you've gone through this empty nest.

Can you give any advice to our friend Trigby as you watch your kids get older?

I just enjoy every day.

It goes so fast.

We're down here visiting our older daughter.

Both our daughters are in their mid 30s now and the older daughter is facing, well, one out of the nest already.

And after taking PSATs and everything else as opted to join the Air Force and we're very proud of him for that.

The other won't be that far behind and it's weird to have your own daughter talking about how fast it's going before she thinks about being an empty nester herself.

When to us I mean there's times you turn around you expect to see that's the six year old back there but no she's she's a she's a mom of a 19 year old herself and so just enjoy this time trig because it seems to plot a long day by day but boy in hindsight it'll it'll feel like it went in the blink of an eye

And

I don't have any kids of my own, but my

oldest godson was back from Indianapolis.

He is a graduate of UW Madison, as is my younger godson as well.

And when they come home, it's fantastic.

You feel like, oh, they still remember you.

Oh, you know.

So that's cool.

No, it's great.

Well, Trevi, safe travels.

We're looking forward to you.

Are you going to come on your pop?

Do we get you here in person on Friday?

Yeah, you do.

That's great.

I think so.

Well, maybe, yes, I should be.

Yes, I think so, maybe.

It depends.

I

know.

You got a problem, I got a play to catch.

It depends on how long the tour at Wisconsin takes.

I think it starts at 10.

So we should be done by then.

Well, if you have

time, stop.

Actually, since we're right by campus.

Stop

by?

Yeah, well, no, no, no, the plan is to come by.

All right.

And don't forget the University of Wisconsin homecoming week is this week and the parade in the late afternoon.

Take her to that.

It's fun to watch the band and the floats go through.

So that's a lot of fun as well.

Well, I think Uncle Todd can take her to that.

Well, maybe.

You're not a parade kind

of guy.

and provide lectures in what not to do as you watch some of the revelers overdo

it.

I look forward to hanging out with Trigby this weekend.

Gentlemen, let's get to a little news of the day.

Breaking of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel this morning, Microsoft Corp has pulled its plans for a Caledonia data center after opposition from area residents and elected officials.

In a story by Ricardo Torres of the Journal Sentinel today, quote, based on the community feedback we heard, we have chosen not

to move forward with the site, unquote, according to Microsoft's statement given to the Journal Sentinel.

They say they remain committed to investing in Southeast Wisconsin.

Look forward to working with the Village of Caledonia and Racine County leaders to identify another property.

Microsoft is still planning a second data center in Mount Pleasant where there's been little opposition.

Also, a story we'll get into a little bit later here in the show if we have time as well.

A big meeting in Port Washington last night over an eight

billion dollar AI data center.

Charlie Barron's of Keeper Moving Fame, had the Cripes cast here on Civic Media.

Of course, he was at that meeting.

And Pat, Charlie Barron doesn't wade into politics too much, but he's really taken his cards out there and spoken out against these data centers and what it would mean to Wisconsinites in terms of our water, in terms of pollutants, in terms of energy, and I can credit for that.

I do as well, and I'm going to admit that for as many things in the news that I try to stay very much on top of and very current and have a thought-out take on any given thing, I will be the first to tell you, I'm not there yet on data centers, and here's why.

It's not like we're going to have less computing.

in the future where we go, you know, we don't we don't need as much computing.

We're going to need more computing.

So the question is not whether but how.

And so I saw a little bit about the coverage of the Microsoft Center, the way that they were looking to offset the energy and the water usage through reclamation, through reclaiming wetlands, through water recycling.

And I guess I still want to know

maybe the right word is if or how we make these data centers, you know, more or less environmentally potentially hazardous, I guess is the right way to say it.

Now, having said that, I'm not saying that these data centers need

a blank check.

I, for one, think that cryptocurrency is absolute garbage and is using up so much more electricity and other resources and is a complete and utter waste.

But in terms of needing data for our increasingly knowledge-based economy,

I'm not going to be the one who, as a knee-jerk reaction says, all data centers are bad.

I guess I just want to know more first before I take that kind of a position on them.

Zahra, keep me honest.

I got Old Man Mind

Syndrome.

We had a guest here from Clean, Wisconsin.

I forget her name.

Amy Berrio.

Thank you very

much.

Amy Berrio.

Yep, and Petteron too.

She puts forth a great case about it.

I absolutely don't quibble with it.

But she makes the point that they're not necessarily completely anti.

We never want to see them.

But to your point, Pat, you got to think

through this and make sure they're done the right way.

Trig V, is this an issue out in your neck of the woods out in the greater Arlington, Virginia area?

Or do you have thoughts on these on these data centers and what it potentially could do to our natural resources?

It doesn't matter whether you're a duck hunter or a kayaker, or you just like a good walleye without PFAS in it.

I think that these questions need to be asked before you just go ahead with it.

I kind of disagree with you guys on this.

Yes, it is an issue.

You know, they're building, they built a bunch of them out here quite honestly.

It's usually just outside.

Obviously there's usually local people who are opposing it.

There's one, I was just reading about in Foquaw County where they're, it's a little, it's probably 40 miles outside of DC.

They have a really robust group of people who moved out there who are opposing it because they don't want the,

the jobs and whatever.

They can only be built in really specific places.

I hear what you guys are saying, and I do think there has to be more understanding of what the environmental impact is of the data centers.

I also think, though, we have to recognize that we're in a competition with China and a lot of other places, but particularly China, and they are not waiting around to build data centers.

They're building them.

There needs to be real thought into where they're building them.

They have to have substantial power sources nearby to make it work.

This is a fascinating

discussion because I'm the furthest left on this of the three of us.

That's fascinating to

me.

It strikes me as a little bit.

Remember when they were gonna build Walmart distribution centers and people were really against them and people were worried about the impact of Amazon distribution centers versus jobs.

But in this particular case, you know, we are in, AI is going to, and it's kind of cliche, but doing a lot of work around AI.

It is going to transform lots of things, and we are in a competition with China.

I don't disagree with that, but we can't be waiting around.

I was

in the Capitol when Scott Walker tried to redo the mining laws in the state, and Tom Tiffany, and it was disaster, and the Foxconn in southeast Wisconsin, there was jobs promised.

Charlie Barron's made the point last night at the Port Washington meeting that a lot of these data centers are robotic.

So is there really going to be these great jobs?

It's just hauntily familiar to the Scott Walker days of mining and Foxconn

for

me.

I'm not sure.

I think the argument about jobs within the data center, Charlie, is right about that to a large degree.

But the bigger question of the competition that we're

in

is one that

is what you gotta have the data centers.

You should just do.

We'll come back to discuss.

And if we're gonna lead on AI, you know.

We'll come back either with the real TrigV or AI TrigV, and the real pack quite well, with his secret guest, Jerry Jones, waiting in the wings.

That'll be a

lot of fun.

Come on back, it's the all-ball show for Hey Wednesday, right here, across Wisconsin on the Civic Media, Ready Network.

He's

visiting family in Dallas, Texas, but you can hear it here.

That's the kind of guy Pat Crite-Low is.

Here's how committed he is to his audience.

Doesn't matter whether he's sitting on Lake Wistoda or whether he's in Dallas, he is there for you.

You can hear him every morning from six until nine on mornings with Pat Crite-Low over the majority of

these stations.

So tune in.

I'm committed.

All right.

I am committed that my vacation days be used on beaches.

And so...

the beauty of doing a show at six o'clock in the morning is that if I am visiting family, I can still do the show while they're sleeping in.

I can get some work done during the first part of the day and then spend the rest of the day with them like yesterday touring the stockyards there in Fort Worth and save those vacation days for like when the whole day is spent going, I wonder if I should have brought the SPF 200 instead of, you know, the SPF 12.

that's why I get to continue to do the show on the road.

It's a very nice thing that the folks at Civic Media

They're very patient with me, and I love them for it.

Well, we love you, Pat.

It's great to have you here.

Also love Trick V. Also, he joins us.

Just outside the nation's capital, senior advisor to Lincoln Project.

Guys, I want to get to this happening this afternoon, according to Scott Bauer.

Great reporter here at the state capital of Madison from the Associated Press this afternoon.

President Trump this afternoon said the Illinois governor and Chicago mayor, both Democrats, should be jailed.

As they oppose his deployment of National Guard troops for immigration and crime crackdown in the nation's third largest city, officials said they would not be deterred.

Trump made the comments on a social media post the latest example of his brazen calls for his opponents to be prosecuted or locked up a break from longtime norms as the U.S.

Justice Department traditionally has strived to maintain his independence from the White House.

Trump this afternoon on his so-called truth social platform said that Mayor Brandon Johnson and Governor J.B.

Pritzker quote, should be in jail for failing to protect ICE officers.

Unquote.

It was a reference to the U.S.

immigration and customs enforcement.

There's no immediate clarity from the White House on what Trump was objecting to.

Pat Crichtlow.

Dear media, dear White House press floor.

Upon second reference to Trump, you can start at first.

Trump calls for so-and-so to be arrested.

On second reference, how are you not following it with Trump?

a convicted felon who himself would be in prison were it not for gaming the court system and running out the clock.

would be in prison orange right now.

We have a convicted criminal as president.

If you don't note that when he's busy calling for other people to be thrown in prison, as far as I'm concerned, you're doing your job.

If not wrong, it's less complete than it could be.

Stop saying washing who this man is when he says such outrageous things.

Trivielson, as noted on previous programs, if people are the first time listeners, you spend a goodly part of your career fighting against authoritarianism in Eastern Europe, particularly through the efforts of the late great US Senator John McCain.

You've been on the ground before.

You've seen these things up close and explain to people in just a couple of minutes if you can, and we can pick it up, you and I, on the other side.

But is not this just another example of what authoritarians do?

Yeah, I mean 100% and I mean talk about ridiculous, right like But this should outrage people I mean you would think that people he wants them arrested and yet you've got ice officer shooting priests in the head with Pepper pepper balls.

I mean really is that what we are?

I Just wonder I how how do people

And here's the other thing.

I mean, like I was out in Portland maybe three months ago, four months ago.

Beautiful city.

I didn't the idea that there's some kind of mass insurrection going on in Portland, Oregon.

It's just.

It's just invented.

Yes.

It's just inventions.

My step-brother and his

wife lived in Portland for over 10 years.

I just saw him last week.

He was in Toronto at the same time I was.

He said, Todd, this is literally a one-block area of some protests.

That's it.

They had the Portland Marathon last weekend.

No problem.

This is completely fabricated.

It's a distraction.

It's completely fabricated because, again, that keeps us from talking about the fact that they want to rip away people's health care, which is why the government is shut down.

looking for any kind of a distraction from still covering up for sexual predator and former Trump friend Jeffrey Epstein.

These are all distractions that again too many folks in the media entertain without providing the perspective of the distraction and Trump's record and what people are really worried about which is their health care which is inflation which is you know the lack of

democracy, democratic norms in this country and instead we keep playing the Trump entertainment game.

Do you know that tomorrow I'm gonna have in the history lesson a little note about Spiro Agnew and the anniversary of his resignation of having to resign in disgrace as Richard Nixon's vice president for tax evasion and the final straw was when he accepted $10,000 in cash at the White House from kickbacks dating back to when he was Maryland's governor.

I say that for a reason.

$10,000 for Spiro Agnew.

In the White House right now, why are we not talking more about his borders are Tom Homan getting $50,000 in cash, having it be recorded and Pam Bondi's Justice Department mysteriously not following up on these things.

So again, media folks, I've now given you several examples of things you could be doing other than really playing up troops going to a city where they're just going to pick up trash for a while and give Trump the photo op distraction that he wants.

You can hear news like that

every morning.

Real news with Pat Critell.

I'm morning with Pat Critell from 6 until 9.

Quickly, Pat.

Only less than a minute left here, but Josh Call decides to run for reelection as AG and not for governor.

Mandela Barnes, thinking about it, your

reaction.

Josh Call could have waltzed right into the race if he wanted to.

It says a lot that he wants to continue to stand up against Trump's authoritarianism as Attorney General.

Like I said this morning, he is showing a clear difference between a real Attorney General versus a theatrical fake like Pam Bondi.

All right, very good.

When we come back, Trig V and I will discuss a little bit more about what's going on militarily and how does that line of what he saw with the authoritarian Eastern Europe and what could it mean for the U.S.

in the future and take a few calls as well.

855-752-4842.

Patrick, we'll see you next week and everybody can see it in the morning.

Thank you very much.

Safe

travels.

Come on back.

the time will show on the Civic Media radio network and it's 35 minutes now past the hour of two o'clock and it wins the October 8th 2025 glad to have you along Dave listening in in New Berlin on the Civic Media text line remember you can text us by simply downloading the Civic Media app for free at your Apple or Android device it's free takes less than a minute it's what CBS's Gale King calls a deal

Dave and New Berlin says I found Richland Center on a map That's fed to my hometown.

Thank you any sense long as congratulations for the recognition got last week at home of the UW Richland Alumni Board So it was very nice.

Thanks a lot.

Thanks for listening Dave always appreciate you having along having you along and we always appreciate having our friend Trig V Olsen along as well

native of River Falls, Wisconsin, former Republican like myself, and now a senior advisor with the Lincoln Project.

Talking a little bit more about this story this afternoon, Associated Press, other places have it as well, Donald Trump on his Truth Social platform, saying this about the Illinois governor and mayor of Chicago, quote, they should be in jail for failing to protect

ICE officers, unquote, calling for the jailing of duly elected officials that, a period.

There's no evidence they've done anything worth being in jail for.

Drake V, I just want to pick up on this.

Well, let's, let's first go to the phone calls and we'll talk a little bit more.

A-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

Mark and per to sack.

Mark, what do you want to say?

You know, I heard could be frustration there wasn't, you know, when I was on hold that I agree that up, but I've got my FCC filtered in place.

But for Ron Johnson to be whining about, and other Republicans whining about being investigated over the January 6th insurrection plot that they were involved in via the fake electors conspiracy that

If you don't commit the crime, don't complain about the fact when you actually get investigative work, because each and every one of those guys, they conspired against the citizens of the United States and the Constitution of the United States and the 14th Amendment, because they did not want to recognize our votes for president of the United States in that election.

They conspired against us in a continuing conspiracy.

To my understanding, it started out long before the election even occurred.

They had plans in place to try to overturn this election, that election.

And for them, whining about that now is just beyond me.

People are going to probably get fired for investigating this.

They committed a crime.

Pure and simple.

Too many of them were not charged, but they committed...

A violation of the oath to the Constitution.

Thanks, Mark.

I appreciate the call.

That was my fault.

I need new glasses, Trigvie.

That's the point here, because I saw Zomers put on there that was a different topic.

But that's fine.

That's fine.

It's always a pull-per-eat.

Trigvie doesn't mind jumping around.

And he caught me.

I'm

not sure if

you saw that out in D.C., Trigvie, but Ron Johnson whining this week because, you know, he was at the FBI.

Guess what?

Was looking at him because he was a part of trying to, essentially, a part of trying to overturn the

election.

I saw it.

They weren't really looking at it.

They weren't tapping these guys' phones.

They went after the fact to try and see who Trump and they knew he was calling US senators and they pulled for all kinds of people.

They pulled data of who people were calling.

That's not tapping someone's phones.

Well,

no.

His phone wasn't tapped.

So it's really dis and Ron Johnson knows that.

I mean, he's just he's being disingenuous.

He's he's a lot.

I mean, he and Little Johnson have a lot in common.

Mike

Johnson,

Little Johnson, Mike Johnson.

Well, let's get back to it.

I think this is real.

Your perspective means a lot to me because you're someone you've written.

I keep telling trapeze you should write a book the seven rules of authority and dealing with the authoritarian because you've done this and and you've gone up against authoritarians in Eastern Europe and The question I asked you off the air.

I'm gonna ask let you answer it on the air is is this just over-the-top reaction from talk show hosts like me and other people and I want to be very very careful, but in Germany in Nazi Germany one of the key moments

of the Nazi movement is when they burned down the Reichstag, which essentially their capital, their Congress, and it gave the Nazis and Hitler an opportunity to say, see, look how terrible things are.

We have to take control of the country and the government and to spend the rule of law.

I'm not going, I'm not crossing the Rupacan and calling Trump, you know, Hitler or Maga Nazis, but is

with this militarization in major cities by Trump, him calling in all the generals and the flag officers over 800 last week.

He and Hague Seth gave those ridiculous speeches.

And now with what he's saying today, Trump, that the Governor of Illinois and Mayor of Chicago should be jailed, it feels like to me, Trig V, that MAGA and Trump in particular, those around him closest, are looking for a Reichstag moment.

to say, see how bad things are and give them an opportunity to invoke the insurrection act.

Is that over the top?

No, I don't think it's over the top.

I mean, I mean, I said on a podcast two years ago that that was kind of where I thought, you know, that's what these guys do.

You know, they create the chaos and then they use the chaos as pretense.

And in terms of

You know, and there's an element of it that's ridiculous.

I mean, Kristi Noem standing in Portland on a rooftop looking out at the the carnage and basically it's a guy dressed as a unicorn and another one in a bear suit like that.

Seriously, like whatever.

But it isn't really about that.

It's about, you know, are they going to get people to sit in silence and go along with it?

and people who could do something about it.

And to date, you know, there have been judges standing up to him.

I think, you know, what I found really troubling is a judge in South Carolina who had ruled against him had her house burned down.

Like these kinds of things are really bad omens and we're not.

The United States of America is not Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

But the autocratic tactics that Donald Trump is using are a tried and true playbook of what autocrats do.

And, you know, I talk about it a fair amount.

It's all these guys are the same guy.

I really think autocratic personality disorder is something that needs to be defined.

And because they all have the same paranoia and.

And what you have to understand is what's dangerous about them is they have all these enablers around them and they have some true loyalists.

And those true loyalists are going to go to any ends to try and please the leader

and

to maintain power because giving up power means having to reconcile actions.

And they clearly don't want that.

Tony watching on YouTube says but won't they just?

Manufacture a quote-unquote incident whether it actually happens or not They don't live in reality.

Thank you, Tony to that point drink be you You're somebody who gets AI pretty well, and I think that's yeah, I think that's one of the fears of a lot of folks out there

is that we're seeing this in entertainment this week, the most in pictures associations coming out because they've now created an AI actress that's so realistic that you cannot tell whether it's a live human being or not.

And I think that's a real concern of folks that just watching what's on your phone or on television, we've gotten to the point now where you don't really know what's real and what's not.

Yeah, well,

I mean, that predates AI, Todd.

People have been struggling with, you know, they know there are things that are not true.

But when you reach a point where people are uncertain what is true, then they farm out their truths to leaders or people.

And, you know, even if they intuitively think that it maybe isn't true, I will say this, I

mean,

I think this is not going to be solved.

It's the kind of thing with these kinds of things that are happening that what it really is going to require and where it's going to be solved is around kitchen dinner tables and in bars with people having a few drinks and really.

how do you get people to reach the cognitive dissidents of those who are supportive, even tacitly of it, to recognize that they're advocating for things through their political choices that are antithetical to who they are as people?

I think I could agree with you more.

I was hanging out with a mutual friend of ours last night, and she was telling me that now there's a service where you could hire someone, a human being, to take a walk with you.

that there is finally starting to be a little bit of a, of a backlash to the AI media world where people actually want real relationships.

It's like, wait, how do I do this?

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Let's go to beautiful Spooner, Wisconsin, where we find Paul, listening up in Spooner.

How you doing today?

Thanks, Paul.

What do you got?

Well, I looked at the way the government, the way the president is throwing out his rhetoric.

And it comes back to one thing, and I believe that he's trying to create so much chaos in this country.

He's trying so hard to find a war that he can get himself into.

He needs a war.

The last three Republican presidents all started wars.

Ronald Reagan was reelected after he started his war.

The country came behind him, stood around him, even when integrated, because he wanted a war so bad.

Then you got Bush one, he created a war.

He was able to get himself reelected.

Bush two, he created a war, but it only lasted.

George

HW Bush didn't create a war.

Iraq invaded Kuwait.

George HW Bush didn't start a war.

Iraq invaded Kuwait.

And we went in because they believe I was working in the Congress at the time.

There was a real fear they were going to go into Saudi Arabia and take out the oil fields.

So,

to say that

George H.W.

Bush started a war is just, he did go to war with broad bipartisan support because Tom

Foley and the

entire Congress.

Wasn't that part of the whole thing of the lie about the weapons that didn't exist?

That was

George

W. Bush.

That was the second war in Iraq.

OK, I'm sorry.

But George HW Bush went

into Iraq

with broad bipartisan

support.

That was Colin Powell and Norman Shortskopf.

Go ahead, Paul.

Quickly.

OK.

Anyway, sorry.

What I'm trying to get to is I think the division in the country is going to get so bad that Donald Trump is looking for a reason to call off the election.

That's my thought.

And I think that the beginning of this whole thing was, I'm going to go back to the Bundy issue when Bundy did the call to arms and everybody raced across the country and laid down on the freeway overpasses with the rifles as a show of

force.

I believe that we are going to that right now in Donald Trump as about 1,500 people that were insurrectionists at one time that were rewarded for that type of behavior and are more than willing to look forward to doing it again.

Thanks, Paul.

I appreciate your leadership, Mr. Puder.

Trick me

of 30 seconds.

Yeah, I mean, Paul's onto it, and this is not a Republican-Democrat thing.

There is nothing more dangerous in terms of conflict, military conflict, than aging autocrats.

You're seeing it with Vladimir Putin.

You saw it with Saddam Hussein.

You see it all the time, and it is a danger with Donald Trump.

100%.

He is right about that.

We'll come back board Trig V. Olsen on the other side.

Can the Packers get back on this, on the Schneid?

Get off the Schneid and get it, get it on a win this week.

We'll ask the owner, Trig V. Olsen, after this.

Don't go anywhere.

It's the Civic Media Ready Network.

to get back on the winning streak against the Bengals.

A new quarterback, the Flockster, is in the crowd who has beaten the Packers before.

You can see it all, not on Monday night football, but on...

Sunday afternoon football.

Right.

Now all messed up because the Badgers moved the game

and I

have somebody flying in.

Trigvie is very upset about the Badgers going to a 6 p.m.

game on Saturday because he has tickets to both.

You understand this is how Trigvie Olson rolls.

He's got tickets to the Badgers on Saturday and to the Packers on Sunday afternoon.

He has places to go.

I know.

And my daughter desperately, I desperately want them to go to Camp Randall.

Do they jump around?

I know.

Yeah.

It's unfortunate that you, you took the prompt, Todd, because I was going to do a whole Howard Goose cell.

All

right.

Well, I didn't, you didn't tell me that.

I

didn't

know what to do.

It's Wednesday afternoon

here on the Todd

Allbow Show.

Todd is distracted.

As is all of the great state of Wisconsin, because the Brewers, who have never won a world title like the Minnesota Twins, will be playing tonight in another effort that will probably end in futility.

Don't

say that!

It's afternoon by the way as well.

See, he's a... he's a twinsman.

Alright, knock it off.

I gave you a chance.

The Brewers at Chicago.

Just had a rock and

Robin Yant and Storm and Gorman Thomas.

Dave about Horam.

Dave about Horam says a very respectable Howard Cosell

or Dave and new bro.

David New Berlin.

Sorry.

Uh,

let's go quick.

I do

lots of impersonations.

Troy about Horam.

Uh, Troy, what do you got for us?

Hey, Tricky, if you're going to the game, I'll buy you a beer.

Look at that.

All right, which one

except I gotta drive which one Which

all the bad the Packer game, I'm sorry Yeah, all right.

Yeah, for sure we

have I have a friend

Madison my daughter's going to look at the UW and there was no way she could go look at the UW and not go to you know do the jump around and so we were gonna do both but

We have a friend who's literally flying in to Green Bay on Saturday and we're supposed to meet him So I don't know and

Green Bay on Saturday

Yeah, I might have to tell him that he should he literally is yeah, he's flying on his own plane.

So he should probably

The problem is, I'm going to have to come up with an extra ticket or somebody's going to have to get the boot.

See, now here it goes.

Here it is.

Zoders die.

Zoders die.

Zoders die.

Zoders die.

They're going to have to play Paper Rock and Scissors to see who gets into the game.

But you see, Troy, this is the difference between my life and Trigby's life.

Trigby has

friends.

Mine too.

They're

flying on their own private jet.

Yeah, I don't know anybody flying a private jet.

No, I don't either.

I don't either.

Well, the good news is, the good news is it will make my getting from Madison and my daughters from Madison to Green Bay pretty easy.

Yes.

There you go.

Yes.

Even easier than me, I was going to say, if you were leaving from Madison to go to Green Bay, I know a secret way that there's no traffic on.

Well, maybe Trevi can get you a seat

on the jet, Troy.

Don't say it on the air.

All right, thank you, Troy.

I appreciate it.

Have a good day out there at Mount Orop.

All right, Somers, I think one of us may not be going to the game.

We'll figure it out.

I will figure it out.

All right.

Trigby Packers get underway on Sunday, 325 kickoff at Lambeau Field.

Boy, that was a tough game a couple of weeks ago down in Dallas.

Are they going to be able to get

Get off the Shrine.

Yeah, of course.

I think so.

All right.

They're not the Wisconsin badge.

I was going to tell you, you could actually leave after jump around at the end of the third quarter because the game will probably be done by then for all intents and

purposes.

Do you know whose kid plays for Iowa?

Who?

Mike Johnson.

Like Speaker Mike Johnson?

No, like Mike Johnson up and oh, you're your friend up and yeah, I did not know that I guess I kind of did

but I

forgot freshman tight and dad

Wow

Iowa.

Well, is Mike coming to the

good?

I don't know I need to text him But everything's all screwed up with me in the game now.

I know It's tough trivia.

It's tough being trivia Olson,

right?

I know what's gonna happen.

We're gonna jump around

we're gonna

drive in the I'll drive through the middle of the night

So before we let you go here, any, uh, any, any news on your neck of the woods out there in DC, uh, how long has this shut down down here to go for?

And now Trump using it as a bargaining chip, in my opinion, saying that they're not going to pay some of these federal workers for back pay, as has always happened in the past.

There's just a mess.

It is a mess.

I will say this, the one thing that there's a lot of rumors going around that.

that what they're afraid of, and Little Johnson is afraid of, is that when they hold the vote on Epstein, that there might be upwards of 100 Republicans who break.

Wow, really?

With them,

yeah.

So this is real, because I'm wondering as I look at my feeds and my social media, because I've seen this morning, the same thing you're seeing, that...

A lot of people are nervous.

A lot of Naga folks are nervous because this is going to be a real thing once they swear in this new Democratic representative from Arizona, which Mike Johnson has been dragging out for so

long.

Yeah.

I mean, the out here, it started the rumblings.

I saw that it's worked its way to social media, but that started circling maybe Monday,

Sunday, Monday.

So it's

real.

So there is, yeah, I think, I mean, there's a lot of pressure on that.

So you

know

and I do think there are members that are getting concerned about the

the look of the National Guard.

Right.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Not going to be paid while being deployed.

It's an all-star cast.

You don't have to wait until Monday night.

You can hear him every Wednesday.

Trig V. Olsen of the Lincoln Project.

Thank you very much.

My friend will see you Saturday, I think.

And you'll be here.

No, you'll see me on Friday on the air.

I'll be on on

Friday.

All right.

We'll see you there.

Back to hour two after this.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd

Alba.

and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Tal Abba along Mr. Aaron Zummer is our producer and engineer on the board.

It is six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two of The Big Program.

On this Wednesday, October 8th, 2025, it is a great day to be a Wisconsinite, and it is... Pump Day!

That's right.

Welcome into the world headquarters.

Civic media downtown Madison at the crossroads of State Street and Fairchild.

Look at the old Sam Davison street cam for those watching on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter.

Look at that.

Blue skies here in downtown Madison leaves that kind of a golden brown, not golden colored, golden yellow.

I guess you might say before people out there walking around.

Before the show Todd and I walked to go get some coffee.

Yeah, and with the very blue sky today contrast very nicely with the Capitol building

Yes, absolutely.

It certainly does.

So it's a beautiful day.

Hope you get out enjoy it and coming up at the bottom of this hour For some of our listeners, it'll be the Brewers pregame show as they get ready to take on the Chicago Cubs game three of the five game series if needed

The Brewers are up two to nothing in terms of games.

They can clinch the divisional series this afternoon.

Pre-game show starts at 3.30, first pitch just after four for our listeners on WRCE and Richland Center, WISS in Oshkosh, WCQM in Park Falls, and WBZH up in beautiful Hayward, Wisconsin.

For those listeners on those stations,

You will be leaving our program at the bottom of the hour To go to the brewers pregame show and that is over the air terrestrial radio as they say for those listening on the stream or Facebook Twitter YouTube, whatever you will stay with our program Cannot wait.

We'll give you a little one I guess it will be off.

We'll be off the air just as the game gets underway

Mike Clemens, of course, is there, a great sports reporter.

He will have updates.

And of course, the final score right here on the Civic Media Radio Network.

So, exciting stuff.

Gonna talk about the brewers here a little bit more in just a minute.

Also, coming up, we have what's worse for you today, burials or cremations, and at the bottom of this hour.

If you wanna skip the pre-game show, listen to the show here because of a very important guest.

from the Mung, Wisconsin Chamber of Commerce.

Have a special event coming up this weekend at the Chippewa Valley and pleased to have them here at 335 on the show.

If you're going to listen to the pregame show over the air, that's great for the brewers.

You could also catch our interview with Wisconsin Mung Chamber of Commerce member member via the podcast or better yet, watch the replay on YouTube or Facebook as well.

That's really the best way to catch it if you don't catch us live We're gonna do a little extended pregame show here for the Brewers if you're watching on the aforementioned stream got my October baseball Brewers t-shirt on

Our cubs are cubs.

Jeez.

Our brewers jacket.

Thank

goodness.

I know,

right?

I was looking at something that was talking about the cubs on a piece of paper here.

Our brewers jacket as well.

And hopefully the the brewers can close things out against the cubs this afternoon.

Couple of audio cuts for you.

The Mike Clemens are aforementioned great sports reporter who is at Wrigley this afternoon.

Now Quinn Priester is scheduled to be the pitcher this afternoon.

But here's, I was listening to radio this morning, as they say on another network, because y'all like to dial around, and Jeff Levering was on the radio this morning from Chicago, and he used a phrase that you hear on CBS's Big Brother, expect the unexpected.

And I'm not saying that I know anything.

I'm just, I'm telling you what Levering said.

He just said, expect the unexpected when it comes to pitching for Milwaukee.

And I would not be surprised that they have pre-ster throw one pitch and then bring somebody else in, or maybe pre-ster only goes for an inning or two and they bring somebody else in, or maybe they surprise us all together.

Because, and Levering pointed this out, Jeff Levering, play-by-play for the Brewers,

in Chicago, you can't see the bullpen.

So you can't, you don't, the only way you know who's warming up in the bullpen is if they have a camera on.

But announcers or, or opposition teams, you cannot see the bullpens unless you're in there or unless they turn the camera on for the network.

I think it's on TBS this afternoon.

So I think that's an interesting thing to watch as we go throughout today's game.

And further on into if there is another game needed in the LDS and hopefully the L the championship series, which is looking like it'll be against Los Angeles.

The Dodgers won the first two games of that series in Philadelphia.

And now the Phillies are in LA tonight.

So hard to believe that the Dodgers aren't going to win at least one of the last three games there.

So looking like if the crew can round it out in Chicago tonight or tomorrow.

that they would face the Dodgers.

Here is what Quinn Priester had to say.

At least we believe he's going to be the starting pitcher this afternoon.

Here's what he told Mike Clemens.

And yeah, man, I'm going to be fired up.

I'm already starting to feel that anxious, that good nerves.

And man, like, yeah, no, I'm fired up.

Quinn Priester also went on to talk about what if, now we hope that the Brewers wrap it up this afternoon, but what if it goes into yet another game in this five game series?

I mean, we welcome it.

They know what they're going to get.

We know what we're going to get.

And it's just go to battle.

And we're going to keep punching back.

They're going to keep punching, see who comes out on top.

And like I said, I think if we play our style baseball and we execute the way we can execute on the mound at the plate, we're really confident in our team.

Quinn Priester at the press gaggle, where Mike Clemens was at, was asked,

How do you, after the first pitch, do you kind of know it?

Do you settle in?

Or how soon do you know that this is going to be a good or a more difficult game for you?

Here's Quinn Priester.

Some games, yes.

Some games, no.

Some games, you throw that first pitch and you're like, yeah, we're locked in.

And then some games, you throw the first pitch and it's a little arm side or you pull it or whatever and you take a deep breath and just get right back after it.

I think at any point, you can feel like.

You can go back out for the second and be like, oh, I just struck out the side in the first, but now I feel a little bit off.

That's where it's like focus on over the plate, stop focusing over the rubber, stop trying to think of why it was so good just to keep executing pitches.

And then you start to lose like, oh man, I feel really good.

It's just, hey, I'm executing pitches.

Quinn Priester, who we anticipate right now is scheduled to be the Brewers starting pitcher this afternoon.

Again, the pregame show coming up on some of our stations at the bottom of the hour, first pitch just after four o'clock.

What are the underrated, perhaps Brewers of this run thus far?

William Contreras, great catcher.

Really, Murph, Pat Murphy calls him, the manager calls him, the heart and soul of the Brewers.

Here's what Quinn Priester had to say

on Contreras.

I'm never not confident when I'm throwing because I trust 100% what he's calling back there.

I think very rarely, you know, a couple times a game, maybe, you know, I'm shaking to something I feel really, really convicted in.

But I mean, we're on the same page.

We've worked together, I mean, at least I think 25 times, 24 times, something like that this year.

And, you know, I love having him back there.

I love working with him.

He's just an absolute competitor.

There was Quinn Priest right there.

Jeff Perry on Facebook watching says, Todd, what if Craig Council is listening?

You'll blow the pitching surprise.

Yes.

Yes, Jeff.

I'm sure Craig Council has the Civic Media app on down there as the, as the game gets going.

Our very own Terry Barr also listening says, go Brewers says Monday night, Terry was there at Amfam on Monday.

She said it was so loud.

It was awesome.

Grab some pocket pancakes, too.

Fantastic.

That's awesome.

Thanks, Terry.

I appreciate that.

Look, the admiration for Quinn Priester from the Brewers Organization is stark.

And Mike Clemens was there at this presser this week with the Brewers when manager Pap Murphy was asked about Quinn Priester's growth this season.

Hey, Murph, with Quinn getting the start, just what's impressed you about his growth this entire season?

Yeah, how rapid it's been.

You know, like this guy went from, you know, being a triple A pitcher for the last couple years to emerging as a real presence and giving his team a chance very often.

And just to see that happen right before your eyes, that's pretty special.

He's still a young pitcher, very young.

Murphy was also asked about playing at the friendly confines of Wrigley Field this afternoon.

Yeah, I've been lucky enough to be here a number of times in the last 10 years.

And I know how great this crowd can be and how impactful it can be, just like ours were the last two games.

So we've got a battle on our hands and we know that in the crowd will will inevitably play a role, you know, impacting the game.

One of the storylines of the game again pregame show coming up for some of our listeners at the bottom of the hour and I've talked about this a little bit before the show Craig Council Manager for the Cubs of course former manager of the Brewers Former player of the Brewers his dad Craig Council's dad worked for the Brewers Craig Council grew up going to games at County Stadium New Bob Uker very very well close friends of the family and

Then Craig Council played for Pat Murphy, I believe at Notre Dame, when Murphy was either the main manager or the coaches at Notre Dame.

And then Murphy went and coached the Arizona State, I believe.

And then fast forward a number of years, and it was Craig Council that hired his old manager, Pat Murphy, to come work for him with the Brewers organization.

So they know each other really, really well.

Here's what Murphy told Mike Clemens about Craig Council.

I mean, I know too well what a great competitor he is, his own career.

He was never a five-tool player, but he found a way to win championships and help his team.

And you can't ask a teammate on his Marlins team or his Diamondbacks team that doesn't revere the impact he had on those teams.

However young and however...

in 2001 with the D-Bags.

I mean, they rave about it.

And he's right in the middle of it.

And then as a manager, and the big thing is I stood next to him for that many years and saw the way he washed off losses.

I saw the way he got teams ready to play.

So I have great respect for him and know what kind of competitor he is.

And I

respect the Cubs team.

I think their team's really good.

Pat Murphy on Craig Council and the Cubs again the game pregame underway here at 330 and the first pitch just after four o'clock a mini of these fine stations is coming up on 19 past the hour of three o'clock time once again for what's worse let's go

Time once again for what's worse.

Nothing to give away, no prize, money involved, but it is your chance to have your voice heard in all 10 news, talk, and sports stations on the Civic Media already network.

All right, I'm not sure this is timely.

Maybe not for this one.

Maybe not for this one.

Let's get right to the category.

The category today, end of life decisions.

What's worse, a burial or a cremation?

A burial or a cremation?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

You can also text us on the Civic Media app.

What's worse, burial or cremation?

Also, come on back.

I have a major announcement about a giveaway we're doing tomorrow and Friday.

You are not gonna wanna miss it.

It has to do with the Green Bay Packers.

Come on back.

It's the All Ball Show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

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We had the, uh, two of the producers on our friend, Sean Hannish and Paul Geconi and Barry were on this show.

It's a great film.

I've seen the trailer.

I've not seen the film yet.

I've seen the trailer.

It's called No Packers, No Life.

It's about this group of avid Japanese packer fans in Tokyo who make the pilgrimage to Lambeau Field and Green Bay for the first time and what that whole experience was like.

how they view the Packers in Green Bay, how the people in Green Bay welcomed the folks from Japan, and it's premiering at the Marcus Theater next Wednesday down in Waukesha.

We are going to be there broadcasting the show live on Wednesday for the world premiere.

Former Packer Antonio Freeman and George Coons are going to be there as well.

And so hopefully have them on the show What the producers of the film have done they're so gracious they have given me three pairs of tickets for the world premiere of this movie at 530 in walkie-shot next Wednesday October 15th and Starting tomorrow tomorrow Friday and Monday in the three o'clock hour.

We are going to have a trivia

Contest

contest but actually trivia this time

it'll actually trip We're gonna ask you a Green Bay Packer trivia question And then the first person to call in each day with the correct answer wins a pair of tickets These are worth a hundred and forty bucks or so a piece to the VIP There's a reception you get to meet some forward Packers you get to go to the movie see the filmmakers ask questions, so we're gonna give away a

a pair of VIP tickets to the world premiere of No Packers, No Life, starting tomorrow in the three o'clock hour.

So be here.

Do not miss it.

All right, let's finish up.

What's worse, burial or cremation?

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Ollie, on the line in the Northwoods, Ollie, burial or cremation.

What's worse?

Well, I'm gonna try to make this.

quick.

I had my funeral all planned out at one time.

I decided that I would not have my casket up until everybody was sitting down because my husband always said I'd be late for my own funeral and they would just push me up after the funeral started.

And then I'd have a on the side of my casket, I'd have a

little sign that said and no dad I didn't stop for a garage sale because that was my parents complaint was I wouldn't get there until midnight of the day I said I was coming because I'd have to stop

at all the garage sales on the way to their

house.

Ollie, that's fantastic.

You and I are very alike.

I've said the same thing.

I said, start my funeral 15 minutes after it's advertised because people say I'm always 15 minutes late.

So,

I love it.

But now I've decided, but now I've decided that I'm going to go with a cremation because it's my last best chance to lose weight and not gain it back.

That's great, Ollie.

I appreciate it.

Have a great day.

Also, there is a vote for burials are worse.

What's worse, burial or cremation?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Jack in Merrimack.

Jack, burial or cremation.

What's worse?

And I've always thought that, you know, go, make an alliance to look at a dead person.

was just about the most gruesome thing you could think of.

So I think that probably answers my opinion on that question.

Maybe I'm signed up to have cremation and have my ashes put into fireworks and have them fired off.

I figure if you're going to go to heaven, that's a spectacular way to go.

I like that.

I like that.

Being put into firecracker and firework and just blast it off.

That's good, Jack.

I like that.

Thank you so very much.

What's worse, burial or cremation, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two off the text line.

By the way, it's mom saying, uh, burials cost about double today.

I believe it.

So, well, I mean, you don't have to have a big wood.

Well, a lot of them are very fancy.

These caskets these days.

They're not expensive.

And you got

to have a vault.

You got to put it in a vault and all that kind of stuff.

Cremation, like a lot simpler, right?

What's worse burial or cremation?

K am in Appleton says if I had to be in a casket I'd want to make the boards loose so they so when they lifted up I flopped out

Another prank.

Another prank.

All

right, very good.

I do think they have more opportunities for pranks.

Brett in Brown Deers has burial listening on WAUK, by the way.

100.3 are our new frequency.

In addition to 540 on the AM side, now you can listen to AUK at 100.3.

Great signal for downtown Milwaukee there.

Brett in Brown Deers has burial is worse.

Whoops, we gotta go back there, I'm sorry about that.

Burial is worse.

Leave the land for those that come after besides being buried freaks me out Well, yeah, you always hear those stories right about about but this is before embalming right now that you're a bomb You're not gonna wake up in a casket.

I mean if you do you're probably possessed Let's go quickly to Troy about Horrib Troy burial or cremation.

What's worse?

Burials worse,

but since we're given ideas

I always said Halloween's my favorite holiday.

I'd like to be taken to a taxidermist to have all my skin removed and then the kids can use my skeleton as a Halloween

prop.

You want to be taxidermied?

Yeah.

That's something else.

I have not heard that one.

Thank you, Troy.

I don't

think I have

either.

I mean, I do this for pets.

Like you could have your dog, your cat.

taxidermy Which

that's interesting

that'd be kind of creepy to have grandpa Joe standing in the corner for the real

that would be very creepy

Zomers.

What's worse burial cremation?

I think probably burial for reasons other people have said like It's it's it can be creepy

PJ on YouTube says burial is worse because your body is taking up space on the earth after your soul has been vacant.

I don't know

Welcome back to the Tunnelball Show on the Civic Media Arena.

Working out 35 minutes past the hour of 3 o'clock this Wednesday, October 8th, 2025.

Aaron Zommer is on the board, playing some very interesting and good music.

Mr. Zommer is more on that in a bit, right?

This is gonna have to do with our next guest here.

Very pleased and honored to have our next guest.

He is the board