No, Pat Kreitlow Isn’t Running For Office Again (Hour 1)

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Along with Mr. Aaron Zomers, our producer and engineer, it is Wednesday, October 1st, 2025.

It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite, and it is... Pump Day!

Look at that.

The camel got in the back of the truck and made it all the way up here to beautiful Shawnaw County.

We are live on location today here in Shawnaw.

It is a beautiful fall afternoon here.

Temperatures in the upper 70s.

Mostly overcast guys.

I guess right now we're we're on location on our end.

was off a while.

We had our pre-recorded show yesterday.

Dad had a little oral surgery, all is well, but up here for a couple of days, helping out my stepbrother, my stepmom, helping dad recoup, and he's sitting right offstage in the wings right now in his chair as our on-site director.

So that's a lot of fun.

And when we thought, why not come outside and back to the old world headquarters at the intersection of state and fairchild, Mr. Aaron Zopp.

Summer's hard things back home.

It's going well here.

Nothing too crazy.

You know, it's as always, it's a little weird having all the lights and everything off in the studio ahead of me, but

Well, I only wish you were here because if you've never been to shuttle county, it's a it's a beautiful part of the state about a half an hour drive now with the highway 29 just west of Green Bay.

So it's it's a beautiful lots of lake.

Of course, during the season, as they say, lots of the the population goes up by several thousand for people recreating on the lake here in shuttle county.

But we'll talk a little bit more about that a little bit later.

Also, hour two.

Representative Amon Rivera-Wagner is going to be along.

Of course, he represents parts of the Green Bay area, not too far from here, as we mentioned.

He's addressing, they're going to be talking about something, doesn't matter whether you're in Chateau or Lake Wissota or River Falls or Richland Center, anywhere, Milwaukee.

It seems like housing is on everybody's mind right now, the shortage thereof.

And here's a guy, and this is one of the many reasons I think a lot of Representative Rivera-Wagner, here's a guy who doesn't just come out and

and moan, he brings a solution.

He has some legislation to address the housing shortage in Wisconsin, so he'll be here at 335 to discuss that, or what's worse today, overhead lighting or lamps.

We'll discuss that.

And our green and gold text to win trivia contest are not text to win contest.

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But first...

Per our Wednesdays, every Wednesday, joining us from beautiful Lake Wissota, where I'm sure it's a beautiful fall day as well.

He is the host of mornings at Pat Crite Low.

Every morning from six until nine a.m., Mr. Patrick Jerome Crite Low, and joining us from the Tony suburbs of our wash of our nation's capital, the Senior Advisor to the Lincoln Project, Mr. Trigvie Olson.

Gentlemen, how are you?

Hey, Trigvie.

Look, look at this guy.

Look at Todd.

Look at the screen there.

He's sitting in a beautiful backyard with some pumpkins.

I mean, and then there's a full table laptop.

He's got the full radio gear there.

You realize what you're seeing right there?

You're seeing my future.

When I go around the bend, they're just going to put me in the backyard and tell me that I'm doing a radio show.

And I'm just going to talk to the trees and the birds.

And I feel like we're looking ahead a few years at what this looks like.

title be one of my guests.

Well, just so you know, we're not

and we'll talk out loud.

We're not really here.

He's just imagining all of this.

It's a simulation inside

the

matrix.

Oh, for this is funny.

You bring that up, you guys, because this is this is serious.

The British primatologist, anthropologist, Jane Goodall, unfortunately passed away, but she lived a full life to 91 years old.

Oh,

Where where did Todd go?

Well, yeah, there he there you go.

I told you, you know what?

Tricks has hit a glitch.

Now it's just you and me, baby.

It could be unless Mr. Zommer's jumps in here and don't don't ask

don't

ask me to talk about Jane Goodall.

I

don't know that is on NFL today in the 70s or something.

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That

was hilarious.

I don't know what happened.

With Brent Musburger?

I think so.

That was Jane Kennedy, who was on

this.

Oh yeah, Jane Kennedy.

And I sometimes get Jane Goodall mixed up with Diane Fosse, the activist who was murdered.

She worked with apes, whereas Jane Goodall worked with chimpanzees.

And I sometimes get Diane Fosse mixed up with Bob Fosse, the choreographer.

I can't.

I kind of feel like Diane Foster.

I work with apes too.

At least Todd gave us jazz hands on Q there.

So, Todd, would

you like to take your show back?

Yeah, I don't know.

We're on the satellite.

Everything's fine.

Elon, shut it down for a second, but thank you.

Always appreciate it.

All right, boys.

Anyway, we're off to a flying start here on a Wednesday.

Want to get into a little bit what's happening out in DC.

Let's set the table, then we'll get Pat and Trigvie's comments on that.

The federal government shut down.

this morning because Donald Trump and congressional leaders have not passed a bill to fund the government for another seven weeks.

Democrats are seeking a compromise that would save health insurance for millions of Americans.

Republicans, of course, refusing to compromise.

For years, Republicans have been dedicated to destroying Obamacare, also known as the Affordable Care Act, or ACA.

Republicans' recent one big bill cut off subsidies that make ACA health insurance

plans affordable for millions of U.S.

citizens.

And that is in a nutshell why the government is shutting down.

Pat Crite Low, Trevi Olson.

Pat, first you of initial thoughts of where we're at right now, federal government

lines.

Well, first, in something that you probably wouldn't expect from me, I'm going to say something to mildly correct the record in favor of the Republican point of view on here.

They are they are not taking away the enhanced tax benefits under the Affordable Care Act.

They are

letting them expire.

That was a four-year extension, I believe, that was put up during the Biden administration.

A lot of folks figured that in four years we'd see how important they are and then want to renew them.

Republicans are refusing to renew them.

That's what's going to lead to huge price hikes for

everybody on the exchanges and frankly, it'll trickle down to everybody else.

So while they're not cutting it, they're certainly not seeing the benefit of it and their constituents are going to give them an earful about that and about the cuts to Medicaid.

I'll say again, Republicans don't have the votes to pass something on their own.

They can't agree amongst themselves.

They're dysfunctional.

They need Democratic votes.

And so the easiest thing for them to do would be to say, you know what, we will

go back and extend those Affordable Care Act tax benefits for a year or two years, and then just be done with it, but they don't want to do it.

Important correction.

I appreciate that, Pat.

Trig V, how about it?

You're a guy who worked for people like John McCain, knew how to get things through Capitol Hill out there in DC.

To Pat's point, you know,

Did Democrats mess up on the messaging or Republicans doing any better?

First on the Democratic side, would it have been better for Democrats to just say, okay, we'll give you a continuing resolution for now for another month or two, but this is it.

And we're not going to pass anything else unless these tax benefits for health care are extended beyond the end of the calendar year.

And if you have a bad Christmas, it's Trump who's the Grinch, not us.

And on the Republican side, why are they making this about a flat out lie?

They're trying to say that they're holding this up because they don't want, quote unquote, illegals, i.e.

undocumented persons, to receive healthcare benefits when it is the law currently that they cannot.

What's up with the messaging on this and the strategy out in the nation's capital?

Well, I mean, I think it's pretty clear both sides are...

are trying to pander in position with their base and the middle is sort of stuck with no government functioning at the moment.

I think it's more of an indictment on where both sides are and how afraid, I guess on the Republican side, they're owned by their base, the megabase.

But on the left,

You know, Schumer stepped in last time with the continuing resolution.

I think the far left, you know, he probably drew himself a primary challenge from AOC.

I just think, I mean, again, it gets to how dysfunctional we've become as a nation that, you know, there's no budget.

There's no.

you know, there's constantly continuing resolutions.

Let's keep the government open for seven more weeks, seven more weeks, you know.

There's an important part of the timing, though, that I want to make sure is inserted there when people go, well, Democrats, you know, they went for the continuing resolution in March.

Why don't they just do it again?

there's something happening between March and now and that was the big bloated boondoggle that makes a trillion dollars in cuts to Medicaid so when Todd when you ask well why don't Democrats just say okay we'll do another continuing resolution and we'll work this out in a month or two

A, there is no trust that Republicans will take it up.

They won't.

And B, you got to do this now because the open enrollment period begins around November 1st.

And nobody knows if there's going to be these big hikes or not.

So this is the time to force the issue and to

make it happen.

And so as long as Republicans want to continue to try to both sides this, rather than, you know, take ownership of the cuts, the health care cuts that they've made, this is going to go on for a while.

Yeah, that's the

first that you're the first person, the first place anywhere that I've heard what you just said about the open enrollment period, which, you know, I've been trying to follow all those last 40 hours, you're 100% right.

I never thought of that, and I haven't heard it anywhere else.

So why is it that Democrats don't get up in front and say just exactly what you said?

That's the most salient point out there.

Trigvie, I don't know.

Help us.

Because a lot of the Democrats aren't like Pat.

Oh, OK.

I'll take

Pat.

Certainly the ones in Congress.

There you go.

I know how we could change that, Pat.

There's

an

open seat somewhere near you.

Yes, which we might even be yours.

I, which I will again take credit that this morning on mornings with Pat Craig, low powered by afternoon news, Fred Clark made his announcement, the former assembly rep that he is running for Congress in the Sabbath congressional district.

So breaking a little news over here on civic media.

I appreciate you bring that up, Pat.

I

want to

break some news here on top of a show.

Pat.

No,

no,

no,

you were saying.

No, I'm just going to say, I got to know former Representative Clark when he was in the legislature, when my former boss Dale Schultz was in the legislature.

Really great guy, really great person.

And as someone who cares about the stewardship of conservation in this state, understands forestry better than, you know, as well as anyone else.

And I think, you know, as much as I'd love to see Pat run, I think that Frank Clark is a great candidate.

I think he's gonna be a very good candidate on the Democratic side.

We'll see if it's Mary Foskowski or I know there's a couple of other people that have announced as well.

So there's plenty of time between now and August, but I was very happy to see Fred Clark run for folks that don't know and go, wait, wasn't he represented the Baraboo area?

Yes, he did for a time, but then now he's relocated up to the Ashland Bayfield area.

He's been there for a number of years now and is running in the seventh district.

So that's a nice development there because again, if it means

one less person like a Tom Tiffany who will have absolutely no oversight of the president, no guardrails, nothing like that, then yeah, let's put that seat in some different hands.

Absolutely and congrats on the path for breaking that news and don't want to get up there, man.

That's why you got to listen and get up in the morning and listen to a morning to Pat Crichtlow every morning from six until nine.

We're going to come back and talk more with the aforementioned Mr. Crichtlow and also Trig V. Olsen from Washington DC.

Going to talk about what's next in Wisconsin governor's race.

Why is it that people decide to get in even when they're hypocrites?

So they think it's not going to be outed in this day and age.

We'll ask that to Pat Crichtlow and Trig V. Olsen.

and more, don't go anywhere.

We're live from Shawna, Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio

Network.

Run pat run run pat run run pat run Troy from Mount Horrib.

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We are here live on location in beautiful shuttle, Wisconsin, joining us as per usual on a Wednesday from our nation's capital, Trivio Olsen, senior advisor to the Lincoln Project and from beautiful Lake Wissota where it's equally as nice autumn day.

Mr. Pat Krightlow, you can hear him every morning from six until nine across select stations on the Civic Media Ready Network.

And as David Letterman likes to say,

I hope one of your stations has been selected.

Anyway, it's very easy on this app to leave a voice note.

You hit the voice note thing.

You

just

got to tap it and go, oh, you have to let it use the thing.

No, Troy, no.

No, Troy, no.

No, Troy, no.

There

we go.

All right.

Yeah, normally we just get crank calls on our for our show on the app.

Let's turn to the governor's race, gentlemen.

Troy, no.

No, Troy, no.

They came through immediately.

They came in.

Wow.

They came through immediately.

All right.

Very

good.

Anyway, yeah.

Yeah, let's go to the governor's race, guys, of the state of Wisconsin.

changes.

Bill Barry and Republican dropped out last week after the reporting of Dan Bice in the Journal Sentinel, which found out, look, I've said this before, whatever people want to do in their private lives as long as it's legal and consensual, hey, live and let live, baby.

But the problem is, and always seems to happen more likely on the Republican side, when you get these guys that want to run to the right on family values, like Bill Barion, and then it turns out he's participating, in this case, some very adult content following transgender porn stars, this sort of thing on social media platforms.

And so he decides to get out.

You have Tom Tiffany of some of the congressional district who is now in.

a two-person race between Tiffany and Josh Shulman on the Republican side.

And then on the Democratic side, you have a former Oedic secretary, director, wherever they call her these days, Missy Hughes in.

And when Luke Mathers told me about this, the first thing I said was, who?

Because that's the problem I have with some of the people in this administration, in the Evers administration, they don't sell themselves enough.

And I forgot who she was, but she seems like a strong candidate.

Trig me first to you, what's up particularly on people from our former party thinking they can run as hypocrites and not get out?

You know, I don't know that it has anything to do with...

Political identification although there's lots of hypocrites certainly within the that world because that's what happens when you have to pay you know Fidelity to somebody who's who's got a different set of values probably than you do, but you need to go along You know, I just think it's human nature right like I mean cognitive dissonance is a real thing Todd I don't know if you figured that out, but it's it's a real thing and I just think

I also think in some of these cases you get people who haven't run for office and they don't understand that we live in an age where anything you've done is likely to come out.

Particularly the younger you are because you've lived your life with people walking around with cameras in their pockets.

No true very true Pat on the Democratic side Look, I think that the bona fides as they say her her her resume Missy Hughes very qualified and I thought she came out with a strong video We played the first minute of it a couple days ago like we did for everybody else's come out But again, I just think Democrats particularly eras administration.

They don't they don't sell themselves enough

Well, and that's exactly why she's starting as early as she does.

She has until August of next year to try to make voters in the Democratic primary see her as the choice that will understand how to create jobs is not a politician as politics as usual.

Maybe people are looking for somebody who's never been in the legislature and thrown all those verbal grenades all the time.

And if she can carve that lane for her,

herself, then maybe she's got enough time to build that kind of a following.

But you're now asking people who already know about Keldor Roy's, who already know Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez, already know David Crawley or Fran Hong to give her a look.

Like I said, that's with who knows who else is going to be getting in this race before all is said and done.

So she's got the accomplishments, yes, but she's got a lot of work to do between now and August to get her name ID up and for people to go, yeah, she would be the one, the non-traditional choice that I think we need.

Let's go to the full lines quickly.

Tom McFarland, Tom listening to MDX out of Madison, Tom.

If you can make it quick, please add a comment or a question on the government shutdown in DC.

Tom are you there?

Anybody?

We

must have lost Tom.

We do have

Tom Troy in Mount Horep calling about the gubernatorial race

Troy Mount Horep Troy.

What do you got for my friend quickly?

Hello

Hey, John.

Hello.

Hey, yeah, all right.

I won't bother you again Pat, but I have a quick question so in 2016

The Republican presidential primary had a bunch of candidates and one lunatic and we ended up with a one lunatic.

Are we getting to the point with it in the Democratic primary where we've got five normal candidates and two out there candidates and we got to be worried about one of them two getting in.

Who are the out ones?

Who are the oddballs?

Sternad and Halsey.

No,

I don't think either one has.

I mean, Donald Trump had recognition and oddball, but recognition and the other two simply do not.

They do not have time to build that kind of a base.

So no, I think at this point, if I had to bet a quarter on it, it'll be somebody who's already in the race, but I always leave room to be surprised.

Thanks,

Troy.

Go ahead, Trigby.

Primaries, primaries, a lot of it comes down to who can raise resources to be on TV in places that others aren't and with the volume that they need or in people's Facebook feeds or wherever.

Yep.

So.

OK.

Always having the experience both on television, radio and online.

Patrick Jerome Crichtlow.

You can see him every morning from six until nine on mornings at Pat Crichtlow.

Thanks, Pat.

We appreciate you.

Thanks, guys.

See you later.

All right.

Come on

back.

Trey Vila will continue talking, take your phone calls next live from Shawna, Wisconsin.

First, the Farm News on the Pacific Media, ready to network.

show live on location in beautiful Shawnaw, Wisconsin.

Just about half hour or so drive on west of Green Bay on Highway 29.

It's beautiful.

This is what it's about.

You understand?

I like to be out in Wisconsin.

Great to get back out here on location a little bit.

Glad to be with you.

Gonna be talking to a state representative from Northeast Wisconsin coming up here at hour number two at 335 Wisconsin State Rep Amon River Wagner.

Talking about housing housing shortages in the state and the great thing is he's bringing with him his own legislation as a way to say hey, I'm not just gonna gripe about something I'm gonna bring what I see is at least a partly a solution to address this so

That's fantastic representative of a mod Rivera Wagner will be along hour two as well as our green and gold text to win trivia and Overhead lighting or lamps that is the question in our number two for what's worse as well We are joined to continue be joined from outside our nation's capital via stream yard by mr. Trig V Olson River Falls boy hockey player extraordinaire New York City pizza lover

and senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, Trigvie Olsen.

And also we should really get into, I don't want to not get into this because Trigvie, he joined us last week.

He was down in Dallas.

He took his daughter's great dad, Trigvie Olsen.

It was down in Dallas at Jerry World for the Packers versus the Cowboys.

And it ends in a in a 4040.

Ty, Trigby, you were there.

Was it as bad in person as it was on television?

Gave me a headache, Todd.

Well, as a partial owner, you must be

very upset about this train going through in the background.

We do.

They still have trains in Seanal County.

How about

that?

All right.

Um, yeah, it was a wild game, Todd.

It was really crazy.

And then, um,

You know the there was a lot of green and gold in that stadium and I'd say it was about 50-50 It sounded like we had Packer fans all around us and some Dallas fans and Yeah, I mean it was hard to believe and then you know I I actually thought the most outrageous part was the fact that they almost lost the game Yes, because of utter mismanagement at the end.

I mean one second for God's sakes, so

great

It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't very good.

And then, of course, you know, there was a piece of me that was kind of excited, because often you see an extra point blocked and returned by the other team for two points.

Not what you want to see.

Yeah, it wasn't good.

Yeah.

Very quickly as we out of the political stuff we'll talk about.

But yeah, Mark Tauser now on ESPN Wisconsin this week, who is the color analyst for Badger Football Games.

former Badger himself, former Green Bay Packer, Mark Tausser, and we played the cut earlier this week on ESPN Wisconsin where Tauss said, look, I'm worried.

We have a guy like Mark Tausser saying he's worried.

It gives you a little bit of pause.

I'm not one of these people that are like, oh, the season's over or whatever.

Clearly in the NFL, a lot easier to have two or three losses and still have a great postseason, but

To me, it was much like the Badgers trick V. It was the sloppiest sloppiness.

It was the bad special teams play a very porous defense.

Um, those are the things that worry me more, not just the loss.

Yeah, I wouldn't go overboard on that.

Um, I would, I'm less worried about the Packers.

In fact, you know, Towsher, maybe they picked the wrong former Wisconsin boy offensive tackle to be there.

Athletic director.

Why'd you say that?

Why do I say they might have picked the wrong one to be athletic director?

Oh No, I thought I thought you were I thought you I'm sorry.

I think the badgers are I think Wisconsin Badger footballers and way worse shape than the Oh 100% fine

Packers 100%

What are you making these people call it for?

I mean, there's some knuckleheads.

Well, I shouldn't say knucklehead.

There are people now, you know, saying that the floor is the right person to get the Packers to a Super Bowl again and trying to blame this all on him.

Do you buy that or are you not buying

that?

No, I think that's foolish.

I

mean, all

right.

No, I agree with you, though.

I

mean,

the the the floor is a good coach.

Yeah.

Listen, it's two games, you know after after the first two games everybody thought oh my god The Super Bulls are is just hand us the Lombardi trophy right and then By the way, we saw the Lombardi trophy that's gonna be I saw that out.

That's cool.

Yeah But and then you know, they lose to Cleveland the offense didn't look good

You know Cleveland's defensive line was really good and I will say this for the Cowboys Cowboys came into that game with a really smarts plan game

plan Off

for attacking the Packers.

Yeah, you know Dak Prescott was not hanging out There were not a lot of five-step and seven-step drops.

He was getting the ball out and so No, I think they're gonna be fine

Yeah, fine.

I mean, yeah, there's a lot of a lot of a lot of the season left as.

Listen, remember that in 90s 2010 when the Packers won the Super Bowl, they had to win the last game to get in the playoffs against the Bears.

Everybody was like, oh, woe is me worked on blah, blah, blah.

Packers off this week have to buy their back and actually get on Sunday, October 12th against the Cincinnati Bengals.

You can hear it on select stations across the civic media ready to work before you get back to politics.

Quickly go to the phone lines.

Dick in Madison, listing on WM DX out of Madison, Wisconsin.

Dick, you wanted to say something about the Packers quickly.

Go ahead.

Yeah, real quick.

I got to clean something up.

I told you the other day I was wrong about that eight no start.

I was right about it.

It wasn't his first season.

Holmgren, remember when I told you?

Oh, yeah.

You know, and then they lost out and didn't even make the playoffs.

It was it gets third season.

And I should have remembered it because a guy I went to high school with and play football with in high school, Bob Woodson actually was the guy that hired Mike Holmgren.

He was head of Green

Bay or Seattle?

Seattle.

Yeah, Seattle.

Yeah.

No, I appreciate the clarification.

But no, I mean, that's your point is well taken.

He was take what's called in the other day.

Say, look, I mean, you know, you can't always judge by starts out, because once home group went to Seattle, but I appreciate him cleaning that up.

So I agree.

I agree that Packers, a lot of season left, a lot of great things still

good.

Not how you start the season, Todd.

That's how you ended.

I think exactly right.

The way that the Trump administration is starting out, maybe not starting anymore, we're six, seven months into this second term, but yesterday there was this very curious

to be polite about it, meeting military leaders, 800 and some odd flag officers and generals at Quantico, Virginia, just outside Washington, D.C.

And Pete Hegsett, the secretary of defense, former Fox News weekend host, was addressing the troops, not just the troops, but the generals there at this auditorium.

And he got off to Iraqi, first of all,

For those that don't know, Trigby worked for John McCain.

You know, obviously, I don't know if there's anybody in the military that got more respect out of anybody than John McCain for for spending was five years, right?

In the Hanell Hilton as a prison award.

Trigby.

Long time.

Yeah.

But but our military folks know when they're in uniform, especially they are not supposed to.

I believe Todd was saying they're not supposed to make political comments.

He can correct me when Elon decides to give him his internet back.

Pardon?

You froze,

Todd.

You were saying that the military officials particularly went in uniform.

Yes, particularly in uniform are not allowed to applaud for partisan

political things.

We have it celebrating the United States or whatever, but but generally just doesn't happen.

So these leaders, military leaders have put in a weird position.

Here is Secretary Hakeseth addressing this group of flag officers, generals, and he insults veterans of our military, particularly our generals.

The new compass heading is clear.

Out with the Shirelles, the Mackenzie's and the Millies and in with the Stockdales, the Schwartz coughs and the Pattons.

More leadership changes will be made of that.

I'm certain Not because we want to but because we must once again.

This is life and death

That was Secretary Hicks death and just for reference General McKenzie was a person who warned of the Iraqi threat numerous times General Milley, of course saw some of the most combat

of any general in American military history from those that actually follow this and know it.

Here's another one where he gets into the, I'll call it, mess around and find out.

It's better known by another name.

Here is Hegseth yesterday at the Pentagon.

Should our enemies choose foolishly to challenge us, they will be crushed by the violence, precision, and ferocity of the War Department.

In other words, to our enemies, FAFO.

If necessary, our troops can translate that for you.

Of course, it means something we can't say on the air.

We'll just say mess around and find out.

And finally, this is the way Secretary Hakeseth ended his speech to the flag officers in generals at Quantico, Virginia yesterday.

Move out.

and draw fire because we are the war department.

Godspeed.

And just in case you're wondering at the end that was not like a rousy AI go, it was whoever the person in charge was calling everybody to stand up at attention and simply stand as secretary left.

There was zero applause.

We haven't gotten to President Trump's comments yet, but you work for John McCain your reflections

Yeah, I just think You know, I don't know I don't want to I have no idea what he would be saying about it I I know he'd have an opinion that that's you know, and I I don't think it would be a positive one probably But I think

You know even this is the thing even the the calling it we're gonna call it.

We're the we're not the defense department anymore.

We're the we're the war department There is this bravado.

There is this screwing around in and this desire for chaos and There's a lot of cosplay in this.

I mean, I know Pete Higgs has served obviously But

You know, there's the whole thing about I want generals who are physically fit.

That's that's got to be coming straight from Donald Trump, which is ironic Given that he's a commander-in-chief and he doesn't meet the 75% physical physical male threshold that they've set by any means Yeah, I just I just I think people have to ask themselves Are we about defending our nation or do we?

Do you want to be at war?

And do you understand what that means?

And not all conflicts are going to be what Americans have seen as conflicts.

We're headed towards a very bad place.

We're like the guy who's walking into the bar looking to start something that, quite frankly, we probably don't want to start.

Let's go to the first cut of President Trump yesterday addressing military leaders at Quantico, Virginia, where he is met with silence as he took the stage.

I've never walked into a room so silent before.

This is very, don't laugh, don't laugh, you're not allowed to do that.

You know what, just have a good time.

And if you want to applaud, you applaud.

And if you want to do anything you want, you can do anything you want.

And if you don't like what I'm saying, you can leave the room.

Of course, there goes your rank, there goes your future.

But you just feel nice and loose, okay?

Because we're all on the same team.

And I was told that, sir, you won't hear it.

You won't hear it.

A murmur in the room.

I said, we gotta loosen these guys up a little bit.

Donald Trump yesterday talking to military leaders.

Weird is certainly one word for it.

Come on back, we're live from Shawna, Wisconsin with Trig V. Olsen.

More after this on the Civic Media Radio

Network.

I ain't as good as I once was.

I got a few years on then now.

But there was a time back in my prime when I could really live.

Welcome back to the Taliban show.

Live on location of beautiful Sean O Wisconsin.

We are just a few blocks away from the Sean O County fairgrounds.

I don't think Toby Keith ever played here.

Maybe he did, but hitherto unknown fact and trigger one of your favorite people at civic media.

Probably your favorite person because I know I'm not Terry Barr.

Terry Barr is from this group.

She's a legend, Todd.

She is a legend and she grew up here in Shawno and she, I think she was at this concert years ago as was my stepmother, Mary, years ago before Garth Brooks was Garth Brooks.

He played the shuttle County fair right before he exploded and became a superstar And he kept it even though he was on the verge of exploding he kept his as a star He kept his contract and showed up at the shuttle County fair I think right around the time like friends a little places was going to number one.

So yeah, that sounds right big I

remember hearing

her say

that

big area for country music here to trick

me

I don't doubt that.

I mean, the thing about Terry Barr is she's not as good once as she once was.

She's just legendary.

She's good.

She's like goat.

Yeah.

Right.

Great.

She's

timeless.

She is timeless and she's always, she's always great.

You can hear her, of course, every evening from six until nine, or a little bit later on WMDX on the maxing

gradient.

Rock in the

house.

That's right.

You can also catch the program via the Civic Media app if you don't live in the Madison area.

And, of course, she does our slice of Wisconsin.

She does the new WISCO Weekend Show out of Green Bay and Oshkosh.

She's everywhere.

Terry Barr is so we like and she's our she's kind enough after all that she's won numerous Emmys but yet still she's willing to be you know she does our intro every day so how about that?

Speaking of that part of the state and

big

name acts who were there just before they hit it big I think

Taylor

Swift had a concert in Green Bay.

Really?

Just before she hit it big too.

Mm-hmm.

I did not know

that.

One of her first like shows that she did.

Yep.

I remember reading.

About

that.

There was something about because Lambeau Field wasn't on and she's like, oh, I played Green Bay the first year first tour I ever did Wow,

that's fantastic Zomers tells me I'm a misspoken It's just maxing radios not every is every Saturday night.

I'm sorry every Saturday night from six until Lights go out

You're on the civic media radio network on VNW MDX All right, Trigme any here I guess just to put a point on this thing that we were talking about earlier With what's happened out in DC yesterday with Pete Hickseth and Donald Trump addressing these military leaders Normally, you know, I like to leave people with hope and I obviously still think there's hope but this is this is kind of a dark stuff Trigme because I think

My opinion, you've actually taken on authoritarians in Eastern Europe, but tell me what you think.

This whole thing of telling military, literally telling them yesterday, if you have a sinking feeling right now, as you hear this, then resign.

I mean, Hank Seth told him that.

And Trump saying, you know, take on domestic terrorism.

You know, the Constitution says all enemies for it and domestic and calling out, you know, Memphis and Chicago and Los Angeles and Portland by name.

This doesn't feel good to be tricky.

Well, it's pretty abnormal, Todd.

And, you know, the thing is, the people who are subscribing to it, yep, those places, they're a disaster.

It will be your town eventually, too And I mean the other thing about this is and this is this is the thing.

Can you imagine if Barack Obama had been saying, you know, we need to be sending troops to Yeah, you know, wherever on USA shawano.

Yeah, right

very very red

right I will also tell you it's ironic because

And you know, we've, it's, this part isn't ironic, but you know, as we've been traveling around to go see the Packers play in all these places, right?

I love the fact that my daughters are getting to see all these major American cities.

Like we were in San Francisco, you know what?

Everybody in that stadium stood up and sang the national anthem and had pride.

We

were in

Dallas, a red state, same thing.

There were homeless people all over the place in San Francisco.

You know what?

There were homeless people all over the place in downtown Dallas.

Yeah.

Like and and we can have a conversation about how sad that is, but you never hear him say, well, we need to deploy federal troops to Dallas.

Right.

Why is that?

I mean, this this if either side doing this, it isn't it's a little bit like the whole thing with Jimmy Kimmel.

It isn't about your side.

It's about how would you respond if the other side were doing it to you, and if you would be outraged by that, then you should be outraged if your side is doing it.

And not somewhere along the way all this, what about, what about, what about.

You know, there's just a piece of me.

I mean, it's so disillusioned with Generation X, the baby boomers, I mean, my God.

But what is wrong with Generation X?

That's us, Trigby.

I know.

We're going to go down as the worst generation in the history of America.

You think so?

The worst?

Potentially.

Yeah,

man

because because the baby boomers might be the ones who are screwing it all up But we're the ones who've just gone along for the ride.

Yeah, but yeah, I mean, yeah Where's our lead who who are the who are the who are the generation X leaders?

It's

a great question.

We

have a

head any

and

the ones that we've had what have they done Paul

was one of them.

Paul Ryan.

What did he

do?

He

quit the

fight and went and went.

He quit the fight and went and did a bunch of board stuff because it's like, well, I don't just don't

want to cash out

Trump cashed out.

Yeah.

We have been so pampered.

It's crazy.

Trigby isn't always just good sometimes.

He's always good as well.

We appreciate him every Wednesday.

Trigby enjoy the weekend off of the Packers.

Go crew.

He's a twins fan.

We'll see you next Wednesday.

Thanks Trigby.

Yeah, you guys are in the playoffs.

That's something we don't know about.

That's true.

Stay tuned.

Hour two is next.

Text to win.

On Location, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

and streaming worldwide on the Centeredia app.

Good afternoon, everybody, title of all along Mr. Aaron Zomers on the board.

It is Wednesday, October 1st, 2025.

It is a great day to be in Wisconsinite, and it is... Pump Day!

There you go.

It is a great day.

As a matter of fact, we are live here on location in beautiful Seanal, Wisconsin, just about a half an hour or so drive west.

of Green Bay.

Glad to have you along here on a Wednesday.

Many thanks to Pat Crichtlow of Mornings and Pat Crichtlow and Trig V. Olsen of the Lincoln Project for being with us an hour number one.

Always great to catch up, talk a little sports, talk a little news with two of our great friends coming up in this hour.

Do not miss it.

Gonna want to stick around.

After the farm news update at the bottom of the hour, whatever our great legislate, well, at least in my opinion, great legislators of this part of the state, northeast Wisconsin, Wisconsin State Representative Ahmad Rivera Wagner.

Now, here's a guy who worked for the mayor of Green Bay and then got himself elected to the state assembly.

He's been on the program before.

We've been over there in Green Bay when he's joined us live there in the studio.

And here's a guy I love having him on because he addresses problems, issues, challenges in our state, but he doesn't complain about it.

My opinion, big, big difference.

There are people that complain about things going on.

And then there are people that just talk about and say, hey, here's an issue, but here's where I think we can solve it or address it.

And so we're going to be talking about housing.

I think it doesn't matter whether you're an AMRI or whether you're in Hayward or Milwaukee, Madison, Richland Center, Wausau.

Housing and the struggles to find affordable housing

our issues across the state.

Representative Rivera-Wagner is going to be here to to tell us about his piece of legislation that will begin to address it.

Looking forward to that conversation.

Going to give you a chance to win fabulous cash and prizes in our green and gold text win contest here in a minute and also our what's worse category coming up as well.

But before we leave the newsy news portion of what we did last half hour there last yeah with Trigvie I guess

On this military meeting yesterday at Quantico, Virginia, outside of Washington, D.C.

800 or so flag officers, generals, the finest of the finest of our leaders of our military, flowing in from around the world, taking off of their active duty posts to be flowing in for essentially a political pep rally and a talking to by the Secretary of Defense.

It's still Secretary of Defense officially, even though they want to call it Secretary of War.

Pete Hankseth, of course, former Fox Weekend television host and the president of the United States, former star of The Apprentice on NBC.

And this whole notion that where Secretary Hankseth said, if you have a sinking feeling inside as you hear these things, then resign.

And then Trump

quote-unquote jokes about, hey, you can walk out if you want, but you're going to sacrifice your rank and your pay.

I don't think they're necessarily joking around.

And I want to please a couple of cuts here for you.

First of all, and again, this is one of the most disturbing cuts to me.

This is President Trump essentially declaring war from within the United States yesterday at Quantico, Virginia.

What they've done to San Francisco, Chicago.

New York, Los Angeles.

They're very unsafe places and we're going to straighten them out one by one.

And this is going to be a major part for some of the people in this room.

That's a war too.

It's a war from within.

Controlling the physical territory of our border is essential to national security.

We can't let these people in.

A war from within.

The President of the United States, sitting President of the United States, Commander of Chief, telling his leaders of his military.

Our top military concerns are no longer China, Russia, Iran, other bad actors of the world.

It's our fellow Americans.

And I find that chilling and to understate it concerning.

Let's go and listen to one of the generals that was under attack yesterday by Pete Hegseth.

Former Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Milley, one of the most decorated, most experienced saw some of those, the most combat tour, not the most, but some of the most, some of the most, largest amount of active duty deployment in the theater of war.

Former Four Star General,

former Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Milley, this is what he said as he left the Joint Chiefs of Staff and addressed the troops and other leaders here a couple years ago or a year or so ago when he left office.

We don't take an oath to a country.

We don't take an oath to a tribe.

We don't take an oath to a religion.

We don't take an oath to a king or a queen or a tyrant or a dictator.

and we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator.

We don't take an oath to an individual.

We take an oath to the Constitution and we take an oath to the idea that it's America and we're willing to die to protect it.

Those values and ideas are contained within the Constitution of the United States of America, which is the moral North Star for all of us who have the privilege of wearing the cloth of our nation.

It is that document that all of us in uniform

Swear to protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Those who sacrifice themselves on the altar of freedom in the last two and a half centuries of this country must not have done so in vain.

The millions wounded in our nation's wars did not sacrifice their limbs and shed their blood to see this great experiment and democracy perish from this earth.

No.

We, the American people, we, the American military, must never turn our back on those.

It kind of ends abruptly.

They have posted on TikTok with that music behind it.

But you get the point.

As I've said this program before, I never served.

I never put the uniform on.

I have the distinct honor and pleasure of working with those who did, during my time working for a congressman, Kluge, do military affairs issues.

No one respects veterans more than me and having had the opportunity to be with some of these families who lost individuals be with families and veterans who were injured in in combat and I would hope that as we go to the polls the midterms next year That we keep these things in mind if you served if you're currently serving you have family or friends that served Remember those words of General Milley someone who served

That our men and women that wear the uniform take an oath to a constitution to the American ideal They don't take an oath to an individual a dictator and in general millions words I want to be dictator It's 14 minutes now past the hour of three o'clock Time once again to play civic medias green and gold text to win multi-state contest up for grabs today

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We're here in beautiful Green Bay outside of the spectacular fall day.

So glad to have you along.

And you don't need a lamp where we're at outside, but the days are starting to get a little bit shorter in terms of daylight, right?

And so category today, category for what's worse, overhead lighting or lamps.

overhead lighting or lamps 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 overhead lighting or lamps what's worse go so text us on the civic media app download it on your Apple or Android device and text in or call

Let's go to the phone lines back the old RC in the driftless.

I'll be there this weekend whizzler on the line on W R C E whizzler overhead lighting or lamps.

What's worse?

What's worse?

All right.

Well, first,

let me start to talk with Todd.

You know, the word of the day, it when you start texting, it already spells it anyway.

Really?

I think lamps.

All right.

Okay.

You're giving us a lot of information here.

So first of all, so when you start

When you start texting it, it automatically spells it for you?

Yes, but you do not have to do that.

I didn't know, but

thank you.

Thank

you.

No one tells me these

things.

I really should start going to the meetings.

So you think that lamps

are worse.

Lamps are worse.

Okay.

When you're in the house and you know, it is dark.

and the lamps aren't so bright, it doesn't light the whole room.

When you get up to look for something like, okay, we have a new puppy, doctors might show up, you don't see them if there's just lamps.

Whistler, you outdone yourself.

All right.

Whistler says, be careful the dog turns, turn on the overhead lights.

We'll come back from Shanno after this.

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location from Shawna, Wisconsin.

It's a beautiful autumn fall day here.

Hope it is where you're at as well across the state of Wisconsin.

The weather is supposed to continue to be pretty nice through at least part of the weekend where it's going to get a little little more windy, say, and a little cooler.

So enjoy it while we can here.

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Now, 23 minutes past the hour of three o'clock at the just after the bottom of the hour.

State Representative Amon Rivera-Wagner in talking about the housing and shorties, but right now a little fun and games.

What's worse, overhead lighting or lamps?

overhead lighting or lamps 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 and right before the break there we had Whistler on from RC listening to us on WRCE saying saying that when you this is a separate thing on the text to win contest the green and gold multi-state

text to win contest, which incidentally the word this hour is stadium, stadium is the word.

He said, well, when you start texting it, it fills it in.

Now, I didn't know, I thought, well, maybe I missed a meeting, as I occasionally do, but no, Dana in La Crosse, listening to us up there at LCX, right?

LCX La Crosse says, Whistler's auto correct is spelling the word for him.

Yeah,

it's

autocorrect slash autocomplete.

All right, autocomplete.

But

I think

it's still worth spelling out the words

because I'm sure you do.

I'd still worth spelling out the words because we might have confusion with similar sounding ones.

In this

case, with stadium, not a whole lot of words sound exactly like stadium, but not

exactly.

But but you never know.

You never know.

John, listening to us on WMDX and Edgerton says voice text.

helps as well.

Now, I've done that before because I'm not a great speller.

And so you have voice text.

I've done that before.

Cindy listening on WXO in beautiful Wausau, home of Chad Holmes and Bull Falls Radio.

Cindy up there in Wausau is a knitter.

That's fantastic.

She says as a knitter overhead lighting.

Overhead lighting is the worst.

When you're working with tiny needles and dark yarn for fancy stitches, overhead lighting can be difficult to work with.

I've been known to wear a light around my neck.

to see detailed work.

Well, that's cool because you've got those lamps now.

Headlamp.

Yeah, a headlamp.

And it can look right onto what you're doing.

So that's fantastic.

What's worse, overhead lighting or lamps, 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

Just looking down here.

Yeah, that's looking a couple more of these entries here on Facebook Heather watching in beautiful Eau Claire, Wisconsin on Facebook says for a short person like me overhead lighting is worse lamps are easier to change the bulb plus the buzz of overhead lights are super annoying That could be true, right?

Although she says I grew the whizzler harder to see with lamps now I'm conflicted

Zomers, what do you think overhead lamps overhead lighting or lamps what's worse?

I don't know.

I think lamps are worse just because really It's no secret to anyone who's watched the show for some time my eyes are crap

They're just

they just suck and not only is my vision bad my night vision is terrible and Lamps just aren't they just don't cut it.

They're not bright enough I know a lot of people don't like you know daylight bulbs or LED lights because they're so bright

They helped me so much.

Like an incandescent or incandescent coloration.

It's just hard for me to see and be able to read things and whatever.

And so I know it's because of my old man eyes, but I think

I'm sorry.

You're 26 years old.

Yes, but I do

have old man eyes.

All right, very

good.

Very good.

What do you think?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, overhead lighting.

or lamps I kind of mixed on this but I think if I had to choose one I would say overhead lighting is worse simply because I like I like some mood lighting and and if it's too bright I don't know I just think it I get what you're saying if you're going to read or whatever but I you know a nice a good lamp that's the other thing too

You would need a good lamp where it's kind of directly on what you're reading or what you're working on.

That's true.

I think that's nice or a room in the evening with with nice light lights or lamps.

I think of this.

What I don't like to be very judgmental is I call the cloud lights like you go into a kitchen and it's just like a big, you know, oval shaped and it's just all the plastic and tube lighting.

It's just reminds like school lighting or something.

I don't know.

I don't I just said that for me is too bright.

Yeah,

and I do agree

with your sister for lights that like a fluorescent light anything with the humming tubes It's got to go, but when you have LED bulbs,

they're very old I don't I don't know that that but he elapsed hum anymore.

Do they

all right?

Well, she mentioned overhead lighting like if you're in an office building that has the fluorescent tubes they can hum and You don't always hear it, but sometimes you do and then it's very annoying

He don't want a hummer for your lamp.

Anyway, Matt and Milton, listening on WMDX says overhead is worse as you're stuck with it once installed as lamps are adjustable.

Now that's a great point.

Said much better than I did.

Much worse to sink.

That's a great point, Matt.

Well, because you can move lamps around, you can you can do different things.

But once you have a big overhead lamp on the ceiling.

Kind of hard to to undo it.

All right, that's the that's what's worse for today We'll come back with a brand new edition of what's worse tomorrow as well.

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We are always a winner when we're joined by state representative a lot of Romero Wagner.

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Oh I guess we fit

It may lead and having fun doing it.

Welcome back to the title show on the Civic Media radio network.

We are live on location in beautiful Seanal, Wisconsin, which is about 30 minutes or so west of Green Bay, where our next guest is coming to us from.

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app.

Housing, it doesn't matter whether you're here in Seanal or 30 miles to our east in Green Bay or southwest Wisconsin or Milwaukee or Madison, wherever we go, wherever we take this show, people tell us the same thing.

Todd, there's a lack of it.

And B, it's not affordable for any everyone.

And what are we going to do about it?

Our next guest is one of the great people we have on this show.

He always brings us solutions.

He is state representative Ahmad Rivera Wagner, who is

joining us from his district over in the Green Bay Area.

Representative Amon Rivera-Wagner, thank you so much for being here.

How are you?

I'm doing great.

Go Pat.

Go.

And what a great gift for the Packers versus Minnesota.

Talk about a joyful rivalry.

That's

a

great, I'm jealous of whoever gets that prize.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

You're still good natured.

And God love you for actually listening to the show a little bit because as you came on in the break, you gave us your answer.

And I think this goes right into the issue of housing.

are what's worse today the category was overhead lighting or lamps overhead lighting or lamps so representative

What's worse?

Uh, I want to say lamps, uh, you know, you can survive a house with, uh, without lamps, but you can't survive in without overhead lighting and lamps just might be the wrong style, the wrong lamp shade.

There's a lot of work that goes into maintaining a good lamp vibe in the house that I don't have the skill or the talent to provide.

I like that utilitarian, easy access overhead light.

So I, I'm a, I'm a pro overhead light person and I

I might not be as cool enough to handle the lamp culture.

I love that.

We appreciate you giving us an answer.

That's fantastic.

Well, representative, you can't have overhead lighting or lamps really if you don't have a place to live.

And for so many Wisconsinites.

Either A, they're facing non-housing situations.

They're under housed, they're living with friends and family.

But many folks are saying, A, I don't think I'll ever be able to own my own home.

And even others are saying, I can't really afford with costs of rent going up to get a decent apartment.

And we hear this all over the state.

And what I love about the way that you have what you brought to the legislature, in my opinion, is your solution based person.

And so tell us a little bit about the what you've heard from your constituents in the Green Bay area on housing and this piece of legislation that you're proposing to help address it.

So one of the things I've talked to you before is that Green Bay in 2022 was considered the number one place to live in the United States by US News and World Report.

And one of the reasons it did that was access to homeownership was still a deep possibility here in Green Bay that if you wanted to build a family or just wanted to be in a relationship and be a Packers fan, however you wanted to live, you could show up in this community and be able to make that affordable.

That is becoming harder and harder.

In this in Brown County, we have something called Alice, which is asset limited income constrained, which basically means that every single person we have less than 2% unemployment is working.

And despite being able to work one in three families that are Alice cannot actually afford to go into home ownership.

That is drastically different than it was 10 years ago, five years ago, and particularly a generation ago.

And so we need that.

We need to make sure that we are focusing on building housing at every income level.

And here's what's interesting about housing.

It does not respect geographic boundaries.

It's this crisis.

And it does not respect the partisan dynamics that may exist in the state legislature.

It is affecting all of us, rural and urban, small and large, south and north, all over the state.

And so I'm deeply excited about this proposal because this is the number one issue I heard about in my community still to this day.

We want to be able to either move into our home, the first one ever, or we are aging in place and we are young at heart, but we don't need a 3,300 square foot house.

We want to get an apartment in downtown Green Bay.

And because we do not have the supply that we need at the rates that we need them, it's harder for everyone across the age spectrum and income spectrum.

And so.

I'm excited about this bill because what it does is basically expands the Habitat for Humanity map model.

For those who don't know what Habitat for Humanity is, it's an organization that partners with local municipalities.

They donate the land and perfect strangers, people that you don't ask who they voted for, what they believe, but they want to get something done.

Actually come together, build a home, and that home is given to a family that qualifies.

My family was one of those families.

So the house my mom currently lives in is a house that I built with perfect strangers.

And she still lives here to this day and changed my life.

We went from being homeless for most of my young life to being homeowners.

And that kid ended up becoming the state rep from Green Bay.

And so I know the power that housing can play in people's lives.

And this bill

not only creates that, it's modeled on that.

And the quickest and simplest version is it basically creates a zero interest loan for first time home buyers to be able to get a house.

We do something fancy called the second mortgage, but it basically gives the capacity for us to be able to go up to 100% of the median income of any community.

And that means for the first time, this program will make allow up to middle class families, actually a pathway to home ownership, which is so desperately needed.

We're talking with the state representative Ahmad Rivera Wagner from the Green Bay area He is coming to his live via stream yard and talking about this new piece of legislation in regards to housing across the state representative a couple of things that struck me a Isn't it both sad, but also gives us a great opportunity that Under housed and unhoused people

It's one of the few things that binds us together right now in this weird political environment.

As you just said, it doesn't matter whether you live in a larger city or the most rural Wisconsin.

So many people are having the exact same or similar issues of housing, but it gives us this opportunity, especially when we have leaders like you who say, okay, let's set aside all these things we don't agree on for a minute.

And how can we work together on something we do agree on?

So I want to start there, if we could, about your forging relationships, political relationships with people that might not be natural political allies, and who have you reached across the aisle and worked with on this issue?

So I'm

really glad you asked that because what's really beautiful is this is a bipartisan piece of legislation.

I worked with folks like Rep Armstrong, who our districts couldn't look any different.

They asked for different things culturally.

One's more suburban slash rural.