No, Pat Kreitlow Isn’t Running For Office Again (Hour 1)

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No, Pat Kreitlow Isn’t Running For Office Again (Hour 1)

The Todd Allbaugh Show · Wed Oct 1, 2025

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Along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer, it is Wednesday, October 1st, 2025.

It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite, and it is... Pump Day!

Look at that.

The camel got in the back of the truck and made it all the way up here to beautiful Shawnaw County.

We are live on location today here in Shawnaw.

It is a beautiful fall afternoon here.

Temperatures in the upper 70s.

Mostly overcast guys.

I guess right now we're we're on location on our end.

was off a while.

We had a pre-recorded show yesterday.

Dad had a little oral surgery, all is well, but up here for a couple of days, helping out my stepbrother, my stepmom, helping dad recoupanize, sitting right off stage in the wings right now in his chair as our on-site director.

So that's a lot of fun.

And when we thought, why not come outside and back to the old world headquarters at the intersection of state and fairchild, Mr. Aaron Zomers.

Zomers, how are things back home?

It's going well here.

Nothing too crazy.

You know,

Todd Allbaugh

it's

as always, it's a little weird having all the lights and everything off in the studio ahead of me, but

Todd Allbaugh

Well, I only wish you were here because if you'd never been to Shuttle County, it's a beautiful part of the state.

About a half an hour drive now with the Highway 29 just west of Green Bay.

So it's a beautiful, lots of lake.

Of course, during the season, as they say, lots of the population goes up by several thousand for people recreating on the lake here in Shuttle County.

But we'll talk a little bit more about that a little bit later.

Also, hour number two.

Representative Amon Rivera-Wagner is going to be along.

Of course, he represents parts of the Green Bay area, not too far from here, as we mentioned.

He's addressing, they're going to be talking about something that doesn't matter whether you're in Chateau or Lake Wissota or River Falls or Richland Center, anywhere in Milwaukee.

It seems like housing is on everybody's mind right now, the shortage thereof.

And here's a guy, and this is one of the many reasons I think a lot of Representative Rivera-Wagner, here's a guy who doesn't just come out and witch and moan.

He brings a solution.

He has some legislation to address the housing shortage in Wisconsin, so he'll be here at 335 to discuss that.

Or what's worse today, overhead lighting or lamps.

We'll discuss that.

And our green and gold text to win trivia contest are not text to win contest.

be so glad this week is over coming up in hour two so stay tuned to win fabules cash and prizes if the price is right but first per our Wednesdays every Wednesday joining us from beautiful Lake Wissota where I'm sure it's a beautiful fall day as well he is the host of mornings at Pat Crite low every morning from six until nine a.m.

Mr. Patrick Jerome Crite low and joining us from the Tony suburbs of our wash of our nation's capital the senior advisor to the Lincoln project Mr. Trig

Olson, gentlemen, how are you?

Pat Kreitlow

Hey, Trig V. Trig V, look at this guy.

Look at Todd.

Look at the screen there.

He's sitting in a beautiful backyard with some pumpkins.

I mean, and then there's a full table laptop.

He's got the full radio gear there.

You realize what you're seeing right there?

You're seeing my future.

When I go around the bend, they're just going to put me in the backyard and tell me that I'm doing a radio show.

And I'm just going to talk to the trees and the birds.

And I feel like we're looking ahead a few years at what this looks like.

Todd will be one of my guests.

We'll just

sit in the backyard and we'll talk out loud.

We're not really here.

He's just imagining all of this.

It's a simulation inside the

Todd Allbaugh

matrix.

Oh, for this is funny.

You bring that up, you guys, because this is this is serious.

The British primatologist, anthropologist, Jane Goodall, unfortunately passed away, but she lived a full life to 91 years old.

Pat Kreitlow

Oh, where did Todd go?

Well, that.

There you go.

I told you.

The Matrix has hit a glitch, Pat.

Now it's just you and me, baby.

It could be, unless Mr. Zommer jumps in here.

Don't ask me to talk about Jane Goodall.

I don't even know who that is.

Was she on NFL today in the 70s or something?

No, no,

Pat Kreitlow

no, no, no, no, no.

That's Jane.

Oh, look, Todd's back.

That

Todd Allbaugh

was hilarious.

I don't know what happened.

With Brent Musburger?

I

Pat Kreitlow

think

so.

That was

Pat Kreitlow

Jane Kennedy, who was

on this.

Oh yeah, Jane Kennedy.

Pat Kreitlow

Yeah, and I sometimes get Jane Goodall mixed up with Diane Fosse, the activist who was murdered.

She worked with apes, whereas Jane Goodall worked with chimpanzees.

And I sometimes get Diane Fosse mixed up with Bob Fosse, the choreographer.

I kind of feel like

I am.

I work with

Pat Kreitlow

eight

Todd Allbaugh

students.

At least

Pat Kreitlow

give us jazz hands on Q there.

So

Todd Allbaugh

would you like to take your show back?

I don't know.

We're on the satellite.

Everything's fine.

Ilan, shut it down for a second.

But thank you.

I appreciate it.

All right, boys.

Anyway, we're off to a flying start here on a Wednesday.

Want to get into a little bit what's happening out in DC.

Let's set the table.

Then we'll get Pat and Trigvie's comments on that.

The federal government shut down.

this morning because Donald Trump and congressional leaders have not passed a bill to fund the government for another seven weeks.

Democrats are seeking a compromise that would save health insurance for millions of Americans.

Republicans, of course, refusing to compromise.

For years, Republicans have been dedicated to destroying Obamacare, also known as the Affordable Care Act, or ACA.

Republicans' recent one big bill cut off subsidies that make ACA health insurance

plans affordable for millions of U.S.

citizens.

And that is in a nutshell why the government is shutting down.

Pat Crite Low, Trevi Olson.

Pat, first you of initial thoughts of where we're at right now, federal government

Pat Kreitlow

lines.

Well, first, in something that you probably wouldn't expect from me, I'm going to say something to mildly correct the record in favor of the Republican point of view on here.

They are not taking away the enhanced tax benefits under the Affordable Care Act.

They are

letting them expire.

That was a four-year extension, I believe, that was put up during the Biden administration.

A lot of folks figured that in four years we'd see how important they are and then want to renew them.

Republicans are refusing to renew them.

That's what's going to lead to huge price hikes for

everybody on the exchanges and frankly, it'll trickle down to everybody else.

So while they're not cutting it, they're certainly not seeing the benefit of it and their constituents are going to give them an earful about that and about the cuts to Medicaid.

I'll say again, Republicans don't have the votes to pass something on their own.

They can't agree amongst themselves.

They're dysfunctional.

They need Democratic votes.

And so the easiest thing for them to do would be to say, you know what, we will

go back and extend those Affordable Care Act tax benefits for a year or two years, and then just be done with it, but they don't want to do it.

Todd Allbaugh

Important correction.

I appreciate that, Pat.

Trig V, how about it?

You're a guy who worked for people like John McCain, knew how to get things through Capitol Hill out there in DC.

To Pat's point, you know,

did democrats mess up on the messaging or republicans doing any better uh first on the democratic side would have been had would have been better for democrats to just say okay we'll give you a continuing resolution for now for another month or two but this is it

And we're not going to pass anything else unless these tax benefits for health care are extended beyond the end of the calendar year.

And if you have a bad Christmas, it's Trump who's the Grinch, not us.

And on the Republican side, why are they making this about a flat out lie?

They're trying to say that they're holding this up because they don't want, quote unquote, illegals, i.e.

undocumented persons, to receive health care benefits when it is the

currently that they cannot.

What's up with the messaging on this and the strategy out in the nation's capital?

Well, I mean, I think it's pretty clear both sides are trying to pander in position with their base and the middle is sort of stuck with no government functioning at the moment.

I think it's more of an indictment on where both sides are and how afraid, well, I guess,

on the Republican side, they're owned by their base, the mega base.

But on the left, Schumer stepped in last time with the continuing resolution.

I think the far left, he probably drew himself a primary challenge from AOC.

I just think, I mean, again, it gets to how dysfunctional we've become as a nation, that there's no budget.

there's there's no you know there's constantly continuing resolutions let's keep the government open for seven more weeks seven more weeks you know um it's just

Pat Kreitlow

there's an important part of the timing though that i want to make sure is inserted there when people go well democrats you know they went for the continuing resolution in march why don't they just do it again

there's something happening between March and now and that was the big bloated boondoggle that makes a trillion dollars in cuts to Medicaid so when Todd when you ask well why don't Democrats just say okay we'll do another continuing resolution and we'll work this out in a month or two

A, there is no trust that Republicans will take it up.

They won't.

And B, you got to do this now because the open enrollment period begins around November 1st and nobody knows if there's going to be these big hikes or not.

So this is the time to force the issue and to...

make it happen.

And so as long as Republicans want to continue to try to both sides this, rather than, you know, take ownership of the cuts, the health care cuts that they've made, this is going to go on for a while.

Yeah,

Todd Allbaugh

that's the first that you're the first person, the first place anywhere that I've heard what you just said about the open enrollment period, which, you know, I've been trying to follow all those last 40 hours, you're 100% right.

I never thought of that and I haven't heard it anywhere else.

So why why is it that Democrats don't get up in front and say just exactly what you said?

That's the most salient point out there.

Pat Kreitlow

Trig V, I don't know.

Help us.

Um, because a lot of the Democrats aren't like Pat.

I

don't know.

Certainly the ones in Congress.

There you go.

I know how we could change that, Pat.

There's an open seat somewhere near you.

Pat Kreitlow

Yes, which

we

Pat Kreitlow

might even be yours.

I, which I will again take credit that this morning on mornings with Pat Craig, low powered by afternoon news, Fred Clark made his announcement, the former assembly rep that he is running for Congress in the seventh congressional district.

So breaking a little news over here on civic media.

Todd Allbaugh

I appreciate bringing that up, Pat.

I want

Pat Kreitlow

to break some news

here on top of a show, Pat.

Todd Allbaugh

No,

no, no, you were saying.

Todd Allbaugh

No, I'm just gonna say I got to know former Representative Clark when he was in the legislature when my former boss Dale Schultz was in the legislature.

Really great guy.

Really great person.

And and as someone who cares about the.

The stewardship of conservation in this state understands forestry better than, you know, as well as anyone else.

And I think, you know, as much as I'd love to see Pat run, I think that Frank Clark is a great candidate.

Pat Kreitlow

I think he's gonna be a very good candidate on the Democratic side.

We'll see if it's Mary Foskowski or I know there's a couple of other people that have announced as well.

So there's plenty of time between now and August, but I was very happy to see Fred Clark run for folks that don't know and go, wait, wasn't he represented the Baraboo area?

Yes, he did for a time, but then now he's relocated up to the Ashland Bayfield area.

He's been there for a number of years now and is running in the seventh district.

So that's a nice development there.

because again, if it means one less person like a Tom Tiffany who will have absolutely no oversight of the president, no guardrails, nothing like that, then yeah, let's put that seat in some different hands.

Todd Allbaugh

Absolutely.

And congrats on the path for breaking that news and don't want to get up there.

But that's why you got to listen and get up in the morning and listen to your morning to Pat Crichtlow.

Crichtlow every morning from six until nine.

We're going to come back and talk more with the aforementioned Mr. Crichtlow and also Trig V. Olsen from Washington DC.

Going to talk about what's next in Wisconsin governor's race.

Why is it that people decide to get in even when they're hypocrites?

So they think that's not going to be outed in this day and age.

We'll ask that to Pat Crichtlow and Trig V. Olsen.

Run, Pat, run!

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Run, Pat, run!

Run, Pat, run!

Troy from Mount

Hurrah.

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And as David Letterman likes to say,

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Anyway,

Pat Kreitlow

it's very easy on this app to leave a voice note.

You hit the voice note thing.

You

Todd Allbaugh

just

Pat Kreitlow

got to tap it and go, oh, you have to let it use the thing.

No, Troy, no.

No, Troy, no.

No, Troy.

No, there we go.

All

Todd Allbaugh

right.

Yeah, normally we just get crank calls on our for our show on the on the app.

Let's turn to the governor's race, gentlemen.

Troy.

No, no, Troy.

No, I came through immediately.

I came through immediately.

All right.

Very good.

Anyway,

Todd Allbaugh

yeah.

Yeah, let's go to the governor's race, guys, of the of the state of Wisconsin.

changes.

Bill Berry and Republican dropped out last week after the reporting of Dan Bice in the journal Sentinel, which found out, and look, I've said this before, whatever people want to do in their private lives as long as it's legal and consensual, hey, that, that.

Live and let live baby But the problem is and always seems to happen more likely on the Republican side when you get these guys want to run to the right on family values like Bill Barion and then it turns out he's participating in this case some very adult content following transgender porn stars this sort of thing on on social media platforms and so he he decides to get out you have Tom Tiffany of the 7th congressional district who is now in

It's essentially a two-person race between Tiffany and Josh Shulman on the Republican side.

And then on the Democratic side, you have a former Oedic secretary, director, wherever they call her these days, Missy Hughes in.

And when Luke Mathers told me about this, the first thing I said was, who?

Because I didn't I guess the problem I have with so many people in this administration in the Evers administration They don't sell themselves enough and I forgot who she was but she seems like a strong candidate trig me first to you What's up?

Particularly on people from our former party thinking they can run as hypocrites and not get out

You know, I don't know that it has anything to do with

Political identification although there's lots of hypocrites certainly within the that world because that's what happens when you have to pay you know Fidelity to somebody who's who's got a different set of values probably than you do, but you need to go along You know, I just think it's human nature right like I mean cognitive dissonance is a real thing Todd I don't know if you figured that out, but it's it's a real thing and I just think

I also think in some of these cases you get people who haven't run for office and they don't understand that we live in an age where anything you've done is likely to come out.

Particularly the younger you are because you've lived your life with people walking around with cameras in their pockets.

Todd Allbaugh

No true very true Pat on the Democratic side Look, I think the bonafides as they say her her her resume Missy Hughes very qualified and I thought she came out with a strong video We played the first minute of it a couple days ago like we did for everybody else's come out But again, I just think Democrats particularly eras administration.

They don't they don't sell themselves enough

Pat Kreitlow

Well, and that's exactly why she's starting as early as she does.

She has until August of next year to try to make voters in the Democratic primary see her as, you know, the choice that

will understand how to create jobs is not a politician, you know, as you know, in politics as usual, maybe people are looking for somebody who's never been in the legislature and thrown all those verbal, you know, grenades all the time.

And if she can carve that lane for herself, you know, then maybe she's got enough time to build that kind of a following.

But you're now asking people who

already know about Kelder Roy's who already know Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez already know David Crawley or Fran Hong to give her a look and Like I said, I mean that's that's with who knows who else is going to be getting in this race before all is said and done So she's got the accomplishments.

Yes, but she's got a lot of work to do between now and August to get her name ID up and for people to go Yeah, she would be the the one the non-traditional choice that I think we need

Todd Allbaugh

Let's go to the phone lines quickly Tom McFarland Tom listening WM DX out of Madison Tom If you can make it quick, please add a comment or a question on the the government shutdown in DC Tom are you there?

Anybody

we

Todd Allbaugh

must have lost Tom.

We do

have well Tom Troy in Mount Horrib calling about the gubernatorial race

Todd Allbaugh

Troy about Horrib Troy.

What do you got for my friend quickly?

Hey, John.

Hello.

Hey, yeah, all right.

I won't bother you again Pat, but I I have a quick question so in 2016 the Republican presidential primary had a bunch of candidates and One lunatic and we ended up with the one lunatic Are we getting to the point with it in the Democratic primary where we've got five normal candidates and two

Out there candidates and we got to be worried about one of them two getting in

Pat Kreitlow

Who are the out ones who are the oddballs?

Stern ad and Halsey I would oh

Pat Kreitlow

no, I I don't think either one has I mean Donald Trump had recognition an oddball But recognition and and the other two simply do not they do not have time to build that that kind of a base so no I think at this point it

You know, if I had to bet a quarter on it, it'll be somebody who's already in the race, but, you know, I always leave room to be surprised.

And,

you know... Thanks, Troy.

Go ahead, Troy.

Primaries, a lot of it comes down to who can raise resources to be on TV in places that others aren't with the volume that they need, or in people's Facebook feeds or wherever.

Yep.

So...

Todd Allbaugh

Okay.

Always having the experience both on television, radio and online.

Patrick Jerome Crichtlow.

You can see him every morning from six until nine on mornings at Pat Crichtlow.

Thanks, Pat.

We appreciate you.

Thanks, guys.

See you later.

All right.

Come on

Todd Allbaugh

back.

Trey Vee and I will continue talking.

Take your phone calls next live from Charlotte, Wisconsin.

First, the Farm News.

show live on location and beautiful Shawnaw, Wisconsin.

Just about half hour or so drive on west of Green Bay on Highway 29.

It's beautiful.

This is what it's about.

You understand.

We like to be out in Wisconsin.

Great to get back out here on location a little bit.

Glad to be with you.

Gonna be talking to a state representative from Northeast Wisconsin coming up here at hour number two at 335 Wisconsin State Rep Amon River Wagner.

Talking about housing housing shortages in the state and the great thing is he's bringing with him his own legislation as a way to say hey, I'm not just gonna gripe about something I'm gonna bring what I see is at least a partly a solution to address this so

That's fantastic representative of a mod Rivera Wagner will belong in our two as well as our green and gold text to win trivia and Overhead lighting or lamps that is the question in our number two for what's worse as well We are joined to continue be joined from outside our nation's capital via stream yard by mr. Trig V Olson River Falls boy hockey player extraordinaire

New York City pizza lover and senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, Trig V. Olsen.

And also, we should really get into, I don't want to not get into this.

Because Trig V, he joined us last week.

He was down in Dallas.

He took his daughter's great dad, Trig V. Olsen.

It was down in Dallas at Jerry World for the Packers versus the Cowboys.

And it ends in a, in a 40-40, Todd, Trinity, you were there.

It wasn't as bad in person as it was on television.

Gave me a headache, Todd.

Todd Allbaugh

Well, as a

partial

Todd Allbaugh

owner, you must be

very upset about this.

Train going through in the background?

Todd Allbaugh

We do.

They still have trains in Seanal County.

How about

that?

Yeah, all right.

Um, yeah, it was a wild game, Todd.

It was really crazy.

And then, um...

You know the there was a lot of green and gold in that stadium and I'd say it was about 50-50 It sounded like we had Packer fans all around us and some Dallas fans and Yeah, I mean it was hard to believe and then you know I I actually thought the most outrageous part was the fact that they almost lost the game Yes, because of utter mismanagement at the end.

I mean one second for God's sakes, so

Todd Allbaugh

great

It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't very good.

And then, of course, you know, there was a piece of me that was kind of excited, because often you see an extra point blocked and returned by the other team for two points.

Not where you want to see it.

Yeah, it wasn't

Todd Allbaugh

good.

Yeah.

Very quickly as we out of the political stuff we'll talk about.

But yeah, Mark Tauser now on ESPN Wisconsin this week, who is the color analyst for Badger Football Games.

former Badger himself, former Green Bay Packer, Mark Tauscher.

And we played the cut earlier this week on ESPN Wisconsin where Tausch said, look, I'm worried.

We have a guy like Mark Tauscher saying he's worried.

It gives you a little bit of pause.

I'm not one of these people are like, oh, the season's over or whatever.

Clearly in the NFL, a lot easier to have two or three losses and still have a great postseason.

But

to me it was much like the Badgers trick me it was the sloppiest sloppiness it was the bad special teams play a very porous defense um those are the things that worry me more not just the loss

yeah i wouldn't go overboard on that um i would i'm less worried about the Packers in fact you know

Tauscher, maybe they picked the wrong former Wisconsin boy offense and tackled to be the athletic director.

Why'd you say that?

Why do I say they might have picked the wrong one to be athletic director?

Oh,

Todd Allbaugh

no, I thought you were, I thought you, I'm sorry.

I

think the Badgers are, I think Wisconsin Badger footballers in way worse shape than the Packers.

Oh, 100% fine.

Todd Allbaugh

Yeah, Packers

will

Todd Allbaugh

be fine.

What are you making these people call it for?

I mean, there's some knuckleheads.

Well, I shouldn't say knucklehead.

There are people now, you know, saying that the floor is the right person to get the Packers to a Super Bowl again and trying to blame this all on him.

Do you buy that or are you not buying that?

No, I think that's foolish.

I

Todd Allbaugh

mean, all right.

No, I agree with you, though.

I

Todd Allbaugh

mean,

the the the floor is a good coach.

Yeah.

Listen, it's two games, you know after after the first two games everybody thought oh my god The Super Bulls are is just hand us the Lombardi trophy right and then By the way, we saw the Lombardi trophy that's gonna be I saw that out.

That's

cool.

Yeah But and then you know they lose to Cleveland the offense didn't look good

You know Cleveland's defensive line was really good and I will say this for the Cowboys Cowboys came into that game with a really smarts plan game plan Off for attacking the Packers.

Yeah, you know Dak Prescott was not hanging out There were not a lot of five-step and seven-step drops.

He was getting the ball out and so No, I think they're gonna be fine

Todd Allbaugh

Yeah, fine.

I mean, yeah, there's a lot of a lot of a lot of the season left as.

Listen, remember that in 90s 2010 when the Packers won the Super Bowl, they had to win the last game to get in the playoffs against the Bears.

Everybody was like, oh, woe is me.

We're done.

Blah, blah, blah.

Todd Allbaugh

Packers off this week have to buy their back and actually get on Sunday, October 12th against the Cincinnati Bengals.

You can hear it on select stations across the civic media ready to work before you get back to politics.

Quickly go to the phone lines.

Dick in Madison, listing on WM DX out of Madison, Wisconsin.

Dick, you wanted to say something about the Packers.

Quickly go ahead.

Yeah, real quick.

I got to clean something up.

I told you the other day I was wrong about that eight no start.

I was right about it.

It wasn't his first season Holmgren remember when I told you

Todd Allbaugh

oh, yeah

You know and then they lost out and didn't even make the playoffs it was it gets third season And I should have remembered it because a guy I went to high school with and play football with in high school Bob Woodson actually was the guy that hired Mike Holmgren.

He was had a Green

Todd Allbaugh

Bay or Seattle

Yeah,

Todd Allbaugh

yeah

No, I appreciate the clarification, but no, I mean that's your point is well taken trippy He was take what's called in the other day say look I mean, you know, you can't always judge by starts out McGill because once home group went to Seattle But appreciate him cleaning that up.

So I agree.

I agree that Packers a lot of season left a lot of great things still

good how you start the season Todd

Todd Allbaugh

I think exactly right.

The way that the Trump administration is starting out, maybe not starting anymore, we're six, seven months into this second term, but yesterday there was this very curious

to be polite about it, meeting military leaders, 800 and some odd flag officers and generals at Quantico, Virginia, just outside Washington, D.C.

And Pete Hegsett, the secretary of defense, former Fox News weekend host, was addressing the troops, not just the troops, but the generals there at this auditorium.

And he got off to Iraqi.

First of all, for those that don't know, Craig, we work for John McCain.

you know, obviously I don't know if there's anybody in the military that got more respect out of anybody than John McCain for for spending was five years right in the Hanley Hilton uh as a prisoner award.

Trigby

um long time.

Todd Allbaugh

Yeah but uh but our military folks know when they're in uniform especially they are not supposed

to.

I believe Todd was saying they're not supposed to make political comments.

He can correct me when uh

Ewan decides to give him his internet back.

Pardon?

You froze, Todd.

You were

saying that the military officials, particularly when in uniform.

Todd Allbaugh

Yes, particularly when in uniform are not allowed to applaud for partisan

political things maybe celebrating the United States or whatever but but generally just doesn't happen so these leaders military leaders are putting a weird position here is Secretary Hakeseth addressing this group of flag officers generals and he insults veterans of our military particularly our generals

the new compass heading is clear out with the charelles the mackenzie's and the millies and in with the stockdales the schwarz coughs and the patents

More leadership changes will be made of that.

I'm certain Not because we want to but because we must once again.

This is life and death

Todd Allbaugh

That was secretary hexeth and just for reference general McKenzie was a person who warned of the Iraqi threat numerous times general milley, of course Saw some of the most combat of any general in American military history

from those that actually follow this and know it.

Here's another one where he gets into the, I'll call it, mess around and find out.

It's better known by another name.

Here is Hegseth yesterday at the Pentagon.

Should our enemies choose foolishly to challenge us, they will be crushed by the violence, precision, and ferocity of the War Department.

In other words, to our enemies,

F-A-F-O.

If necessary, our troops can translate that for you.

Todd Allbaugh

Of course, it means something we can't say on the air.

We'll just say mess around and find out.

And finally, this is the way Secretary Hakeseth ended his speech to the flag officers and generals at Quantico, Virginia yesterday.

Move out and draw fire.

Because we...

are the War Department.

Godspeed.

Todd Allbaugh

And just in case you're wondering at the end, that was not like arousing.

Yeah, ago it was whoever the person in charge was calling everybody to stand up at attention and simply stand as secretary left.

There was zero applause.

We haven't even gotten to President Trump's comments yet, but you work for John McCain.

your reflections

yeah i just think um you know i don't know i i don't want to i have no idea what he would be saying about it i i know he'd have an opinion that's you know and i i don't think it would be a positive one probably um but i think

You know even this is the thing even the calling it we're gonna call it.

We're the we're not the Defense Department anymore.

We're the we're the war the department There is this bravado.

There is this screwing around in and this desire for chaos and There's a lot of cosplay in this.

I mean, I know Pete Hakes has served obviously But

You know, there's the whole thing about I want generals who are physically fit.

That's that's got to be coming straight from Donald Trump, which is ironic Given that he's a commander in chief and he doesn't meet the 75% physical physical male threshold that they've set by any means Yeah, I just I just

I think people have to ask themselves, are we about defending our nation or do you want to be at war?

And do you understand what that means?

And not all conflicts are going to be what Americans have seen as conflicts.

We're headed towards a very bad place.

We're like the guy who's walking into the bar looking to start something that, quite frankly, we probably don't want to start.

Todd Allbaugh

Let's go to the first cut of President Trump yesterday addressing military leaders at Quantico, Virginia, where he has met with silence as he took the stage.

I've never walked into a room so silent before.

This is very, don't laugh, don't laugh.

You're not allowed to do that.

You know, I just have a good time.

And if you want to applaud, you applaud.

And if you want to do anything you want, you can do anything you want.

And if you don't like what I'm saying, you can leave the room.

Of course, they go to your rank, they go to your future.

But you just feel nice and loose, okay, because we're all on the same team.

And I was told that, sir, you won't hear a murmur in the room.

I said, we got to loosen these guys up a little bit.

Todd Allbaugh

Donald Trump yesterday talking to military leaders.

Weird is certainly one word more.

Come on back, we're live from Shawna, Wisconsin with Tritney Olson.

More after this on the Civic Media.

Kathryn Lake

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Todd Allbaugh

Welcome back to the Towel Ball Show live on location of beautiful Shawna, Wisconsin.

We are just a few blocks away from the Shawna County fairgrounds.

I don't think Toby Keith ever played here.

Maybe he did.

But hitherto unknown fact, and Trigby, one of your favorite people at Civic Media, probably your favorite person, because I know I'm not, Terry Barr.

Terry Barr is from

this

Todd Allbaugh

group.

She's a legend, Todd.

Todd Allbaugh

She is a legend, and she grew up here in Shawno.

And I think she was at this concert years ago, as was my stepmother, Mary, years ago, before Garth Brooks was Garth Brooks.

He played the shuttle County fair right before he exploded and became a superstar And he kept it even though he was on the verge of exploding he kept his as a star He kept his contract and showed up at the shuttle County fair I think right around the time like friends a low places was going to number one.

So yeah, that sounds right big

I remember hearing

Todd Allbaugh

her say

that

Todd Allbaugh

big area for country music here at Trigby

Well, I don't doubt that I mean the thing about terry bar is she's not as good once if she once was she's just Legit just good like goat.

Yeah, she's right great timeless.

Todd Allbaugh

She's she is timeless and she's always she's always great

You can hear her, of course, every evening from six until nine, or a little bit later on WMDX on the Max and

Great Hill.

Rockin' the

Todd Allbaugh

house!

That's right.

You can also catch the program via the Civic Media app if you don't live in the Madison area.

And, of course, she does our Slice of Wisconsin.

She does the new WISCO Weekend Show out of Green Bay and Oshkosh.

She's everywhere!

Terry Barr is so we and she's our she's kind enough after all that she's won numerous Emmys, but yet still she's willing to be you know, she does our intro every day.

So how

about that?

Speaking of that part of the state and big name acts who were there just before they hit it big.

I think Taylor Swift had a concert in Green Bay.

Really?

Just before she hit it big too.

Mm hmm.

I did not know the

first one of her first like shows that she did.

Yep.

I remember reading.

about

that.

There was something about because Lambeau Field wasn't on and she's like, oh, I played Green Bay the first year, first tour I ever did.

Wow.

That's

Todd Allbaugh

fantastic.

Uh, uh, Zomers tells me I'm a misspoken, uh, it's just, uh, maxing radios not every, it's every Saturday night.

I'm sorry, every Saturday night from six until the lights go out.

You're on the civic media radio network on VNW MDX All right, try me any here.

I guess just to put a point on this thing that we were talking about earlier With what's happened out in DC yesterday with Pete Hickseth and Donald Trump addressing these military leaders Normally, you know, I like to leave people with hope and I obviously still think there's hope but this is this is kind of a dark stuff drink me because I think

My opinion, you've actually taken on authoritarians in Eastern Europe, but tell me what you think.

This whole thing of telling military, literally telling them yesterday, if you have a sinking feeling right now, as you hear this, then resign.

I mean, Hank Seth told him that.

and and trump saying you know this is that you take on domestic terrorism you know the constitution says all enemies for and domestic and calling out uh... you know memphis and chicago and los angeles and portland by name this doesn't feel good to be tricky

well it's pretty abnormal todd and uh... you know the thing is the the people who are subscribing to it yet those places their disaster uh...

It will be your town eventually, too And I mean the other thing about this is and this is this is the thing.

Can you imagine if Barack Obama had been saying, you know, we need to be sending troops to Yeah, you know, wherever spot on USA shawano.

Yeah, right.

Very very red counted Right, I will also tell you it's ironic because

And you know, we've, it's, this part isn't ironic, but you know, as we've been traveling around to go see the Packers play in all these places, right?

I love the fact that my daughters are getting to see all these major American cities.

Like we were in San Francisco, you know what?

Everybody in that stadium stood up and sang the national anthem and had pride.

We

Kathryn Lake

were in

Dallas, a red state, same thing.

There were homeless people all over the place in San Francisco.

You know what?

There were homeless people all over the place in downtown Dallas.

Yeah.

And we can have a conversation about how sad that is, but you never hear him say, well, we need to deploy federal troops to Dallas.

Kathryn Lake

Right.

Why is that?

I mean, if either side doing this, it's a little bit like the whole thing with Jimmy Kimmel.

It isn't about your side.

It's about how would you respond if the other side were doing it to you, and if you would be outraged by that, then you should be outraged if your side is doing it.

And not somewhere along the way all this, what about, what about, what about.

You know, there's just a piece of me.

I mean, it's so disillusioned with Generation X, the baby boomers, I mean, my God.

But what is wrong with Generation X?

Todd Allbaugh

That's us, Trigby.

I know.

We're going to go down as the worst generation in the history of America.

You think so?

The worst?

Potentially.

Oh, man.

Because the baby boomers might be the ones who are screwing it all up, but we're the ones who've just gone along for the ride.

Yeah.

But I mean, yeah.

Who are the generation X leaders?

That's a great question.

We haven't had any.

We haven't had any.

And the ones that we've had, what have they done?

Paul was one of them.

Todd Allbaugh

Paul Ryan,

what did he do?

He quit the fight and went and went, he quit the fight and went and did a bunch of board stuff.

Cause it's like, well, I just don't want to cash

Kathryn Lake

out

Trump cashed out.

Yeah.

We have been so pampered.

It's crazy.

Todd Allbaugh

Trigby isn't always just good sometimes.

He's always good as well.

We appreciate him every Wednesday.

Trigby enjoy the weekend off of the Packers.

Go crew.

He's a twins fan.

We'll see you next Wednesday.

Thanks, Trigby.

Yeah, you guys are in the playoffs.

That's something we don't know about.

That's true.

Kathryn Lake

Stay tuned.

I want you next text to win.

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