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Todd Alba along Mr. Aaron Zammer is our producer and engineer.
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But first on Wednesdays, as we do every Wednesday, joining us from the Tony suburbs of our nation's capital, the senior advisor of the Trig V of the.
of the Lincoln Project, Trayvye Olson, and joining us from Lake Wissota, the leading Democratic candidate for the 7th Congressional District of Wisconsin, Pat Cratlow.
No, no, no.
Now, again, based on everything that has happened over the last three minutes, let's put in the disclaimer, the views expressed by Todd Alba do not necessarily reflect reality.
Welcome guys, seriously yesterday, we happened on the show, we broke the news yesterday.
Tom Tiffany, the current incumbent Republican congressman in Northern Wisconsin is going to run for governor of the state of Wisconsin.
Pat, you've run for Congress once before in all seriousness.
Would you consider doing this?
You're in the district.
If nominated, I will not accept, and if elected, I will not serve.
Absolutely
not.
I have had many good chapters in my life, including that run for Congress in the 7th District in 2012.
But that was, as they say, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
And now I get the honor, the privilege, and the relaxing by comparison job of talking about these things and providing an
encouragement and guidance and information to others along the way.
I respect your, I respect your decision, but Trivielson, you've run a lot of campaigns over the years.
And I know we, you know, especially you pick on Pat, good, naturally, but let's just for a moment be serious.
Former Democrat state senator of Northern Wisconsin, a long time.
media personality, television personality, radio personality.
His wife is an OBGYN and a great quaff of hair for a candidate.
I think this is the type of candidate Democrats should be running, Trigby.
Well, but he's in the third
You know, you got to run in Tiffany's district.
Yeah, actually, you know, no, no.
Listen, think about all the legacy people.
There are Pat, like me, who saw you when we were in middle school on WEAU and now get to be on the radio with you.
I thought I thought he'd be nice today.
I thought he'd be happy.
No, I was your first mistake.
That would be a fantastic candidate in Wisconsin seven.
Yeah.
All right.
So you're saying it's not going to happen, Pat.
I'm, I'm not even saying there's a chance.
Nope.
All right.
Nope.
Uh,
so,
uh, no, why do you want to get rid of me
like this?
No, no, no, no, we love you.
I love having you here.
I, I just, you know, uh, zombers has something to clip.
We're just
Oh.
Look at that.
The
people are calling
impact.
that's a public outcry.
I mean, my goodness.
Try
one thing I would say.
Thank you.
I know.
Thank you, Troy.
Appreciate that very much.
The closest thing that I would say in any form of seriousness, and it's not even that serious.
But I often think of how my life might be a little different if instead of choosing to live in Chippewa Falls and Chippewa County in this mostly red area, what if I had chosen to live in Eau Claire when we moved back to this area 30 years ago?
And, you know, solidly democratic area.
I mean, who knows what I'd be doing right now.
If I weren't in office, what would I be doing right now?
I'd be getting set to run against.
Mr. Van Orden, because he is such an embarrassment to Wisconsin, to the state, to the First Amendment, it turned out, this week.
Yeah, up here.
I'm very happy where I am.
I mean,
we're very happy to have you as a part of the network and on the part of the career news service up north news.
Of course, morning's a packed quite low.
You do a great job.
I'm just saying that with all seriousness, as, as, as Trevi said, you're the type of candidate I think could win.
I wish the Democrats would nominate more people like you, uh, to run.
And, and, uh, I think you're great.
More people
like me out there, to be
honest.
Exactly.
And we're a better world for it.
Enjoy my one of a kindness.
We certainly do.
All right, let's get to the governor's race.
As we said, Tom Tiffany is now in on the Republican side.
We covered it earlier this week.
And by the way,
Pat, Trivia and I do not make a Bill Barriain thrupple, but Bill Barriain, the Republican candidate, one of the Republican candidates, got himself in some hot water, great column by Dan Bice and the journal Sentinel that Mr. Barriain, he does not deny this, subscribes to some, shall we say adult content on the internet that enjoys a good thrupple.
And he claims that, well, they're just coming after me.
So things got a little...
on the Republican side, on the Democratic side.
We had state representative Francesca Hong here.
Madison, get in.
There's the latest entry.
Pat, what's your latest take a year out from the governor's
race in Wisconsin?
I was going to say, from this far out, it's hard to say.
Obviously, the Republican side, I think, just got a lot easier.
Tom Tiffany has, from now until next August, to on the one hand,
Assure people who vote in the Republican primary that he's their guy But then he has all this time to figure out now after the primary How do I convince the rest of these folks outside the 7th congressional district that I'm normal?
And that I'm not so far to the right you can barely see me on the spectrum because that's where Tom Tiffany actually is He you know, he's against women's reproductive choices.
He's for you know concealed carry weapons everywhere.
He there's not an
open-pit mind in northern Wisconsin that he wouldn't support, the list goes on and on.
So he is, although he is a congressman, although he will be well-funded, he is in many ways a dream candidate that you want running for governor if you're a Democrat.
This guy will be very easy to paint in the extreme ways that he is up to and including
going along with Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the presidential election to overthrow the results, to ignore the will of the voters.
He voted to reject electoral college votes even after the riots of January 6th.
They came back to the to the Capitol and he was still willing to go along with
that Donald Trump coup.
So for so many reasons, welcome to the race.
And I can't wait to see what you do for employment after November of 2026, because it will not be governor.
Trig
V. Olsen, former Republican like myself, a River Falls boy, has run campaigns here in Wisconsin, but of course has run national elections of help run them for people like John McCain and others.
Trig V, from a national perspective, Wisconsin continues to be the fulcrum point for politics nationally.
How is this race being seen this far out?
the ultimate purple state.
I think right now, you know, most national people are just sort of taking the temperature of how the two fields are going to shake out.
Democrats seem to be adding candidates pretty much regularly.
The Republican field really, as Pat likes to point out, is about a race to get the nomination of one from outside the state of Wisconsin.
I think Pat's point about Tiffany, though, what Tiffany may find out is the entire state of Wisconsin is not the seventh congressional district in terms of how its politics look at all.
And, you know, Tiffany's candidacy, if he ultimately is the nominee, he's not Tommy Thompson,
you
I would argue, and Scott Walker was not a particular... Scott Walker certainly wasn't the candidate that Tommy Thompson was in terms of politics and campaigning.
I don't think Tom Tiffany's campaign skills are Scott Walker's good either.
So there's the real potential that he makes Tim Michaels look like Ronald Reagan or John Kennedy.
And if I may, an example that has just come up in the last few minutes, Matt Smith over at WISN TV has interviewed Congressman Tiffany for the upfront program coming this next weekend, has already released an excerpt of it.
And again, Tom Tiffany, who is as far
to the right, extremist on abortion rights says they come.
It's fun to watch him tap dancing on this where he says about current law versus a six-week ban that he has supported in the past on abortion.
His quote is, I'd have to evaluate it, but it's not my goal to change anything.
Well, that puts that to bed.
There's no way Tom Giffney will sign a bill if it's put in front of him to instill a six-week
Abortion ban in the state of Wisconsin.
That's sarcasm.
Let's go to the phone phones very quickly Matt in Madison calling listening on WM DX Matt you any a question regarding Democratic messaging go ahead
Hey guys, thanks for what you're doing kind of for all of you What I kind of see big picture-wise with MAGA the people that are behind Trump financially and whatnot the tech bros they're kind of
They I think they see progress that China and other countries are making that are beating us now in certain ways and Instead of competing with that or trying to become a 21st century economy and system they're trying to regress back to some magical time when Maybe a few people had everything and they had more control, but it's all about control
So I'm wondering if a good message for those of us that don't want that is to kind of decentralize as much as possible and push local economics, locally sourced economies, working with border states, because I feel that the totalitarianism, the dystopia that we don't want is more about centralized power, everything coming top down, all the economic decisions, so on and so forth.
I
appreciate the call, Matt.
Thank you very much, Pat.
Do you get the inference of the question there is what he's essentially saying?
What I'm getting out of that is Republicans, this is no longer Ronald Reagan's party that warned you about big government.
When he's warning of totalitarianism at the Trump level, he's saying what we've been saying now for months, they want to be big government.
They want to control everything.
They want to control who the talk show hosts are.
It's gotten to that level.
And of course, the trampoline of rights that they used to always be the ones to warn us about.
They warned us about big government becoming big brother.
That's exactly what they want to be now.
Drake, we have 30 seconds.
If you look at the period right after the Industrial Revolution, when people like Rockefeller and Carnegie and all those people made vast sums of money and you look at what's happened since the tech revolution, right?
There's sort of a cycle to this about 30 years after that happens, those guys try and do everything they can to protect and consolidate their wealth through government because they're worried about competition.
And that's really what we're seeing right now.
The brains of Pat and Trigvie continue on
with us here on
Trigvie and Todd.
The
best bumper music of this calendar
year!
courtesy of Pat Kratlow's deep knowledge of Barbara Mandrell's playlist and zomber speedy fingers.
You can eat crackers in my bed to sleep with the song.
That's the name of the song.
Well, the name of the
Oh,
crackers.
Yeah.
The sentiment is there.
Yeah.
Look, I didn't say country music's come a long way since 1979, 1980.
Well,
over the break for those watching on the stream on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, X and like, Trigvie said that he enjoys a good saltine in bed.
Is that true, Trigvie?
Where did the six saltines come from is that like a doctor's prescription or
Geico commercial becoming your parents.
oh
Well, you're you're losing your blandness.
So I'm going to prescribe you some saltines here.
So
all right.
Enough of three crackers talking about old man problems.
Let's let's go to politics quickly.
And Pat, you've been doing a great job.
A morning is packed quite low every morning from six until nine.
Holding Republican Congressman in the third district, Derek Van Orton, accountable.
I do want to play this.
And yes, it was put out by the NRCC, but it's a real clip very quickly in the Democratic.
endorsed candidate Rebecca Cook at a town hall meeting, speaking about who she, the question was, who do you support in the New York City mayor's race?
Hypothetical question.
If you lived in New York City right now, who would you be supporting for mayor?
Mountain.
Yeah.
And then the applause goes from there.
So, so, Democratic.
What did she say?
Mondom.
Mondami.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Zora Mondami, the Democrat who is facing the other.
Is Cuomo still in this thing?
I don't know.
Cuomo is apparently still in this thing.
My point is that.
I just think it's, one of, Trigby has his seven rules for dealing with authoritarianism and one of them is don't give your opponents battering rams with which to beat you.
And Pat-
I just think the answer is, look, I'm not running for New York City mayor.
I'm running for third congressional district.
I'm a lot more interested in what the mayor of La Crosse has to say, or Mayor Todd Copper at all, Richland Center, than anything else.
And why would you put that out there?
I mean, even like, Ikeem Jeffries isn't even endorsing
this guy.
I know, which is funny because, I mean, that's the guy that I would support, but I'm not running for anything right now.
And if I were running in a district like that and I simply didn't want it to be an issue,
I mean, I don't know how she would phrase it, but in my cranky old-mannedness, I would just simply say about the New York's mayor's race, don't know, don't care.
You know, there's too much to do here, you know?
I,
try to be, again, I don't want to spend too much time on this, but just messaging, it's just why.
I
It's not smart.
I mean, what do you want me to tell you?
No, no, it just I get frustrated real easy way to answer that I care about who's the mayor of Tomah?
Not who's the mayor of New York?
I care who's the mayor of home and not mayor of New York, right?
It's gonna do it.
I mean, literally she wrote an attack ad.
Right.
I can think of it here.
I don't think the whole thing has legs overall, but
You know,
I think I think it'll come back in the in the general and people will say, oh my gosh, anyway, let's not spend too much time on that.
I want to one thing has gone under reported.
I'm not spending enough time talking about this.
The government going to shut down in less than a week, unless something can be done out in Washington, D.C.
Packed quite low.
Once again, we find ourselves a crossroad.
And if they can't pass this, these spending bills as budget in D.C., people in Wisconsin are going to be hurt.
There they will be hurt a shutdown always hurts people and Donald Trump is counting on that and counting on Democrats to cave to say, okay Well, we don't want people hurting but here's the thing
people are going to be hurting anyway because of the big bloated boondoggle that they passed earlier this year.
So now the Democrats have a little bit of leverage because Republicans can't get their act together and pass a budget by themselves.
They got to have some Democratic votes.
Democrats are saying, hey, we got a little leverage.
You got to put some of these health care cuts back.
And Donald Trump, to his credit, put that in quotation marks, he's now owning the shutdown.
He posted something today or late yesterday.
Forget what?
And it's all about him.
I'm not talking to the Democrats.
You know, he basically is cheerleading for the shutdown.
And it's he's got such a short memory of how the shutdown during his first term completely blew up in his face.
He is constantly the coyote in the Roadrunner cartoons.
When it comes to this kind of thing, go ahead and do it again.
But at some point, he's going to say something where he claims victory, but some of those health care cuts are going to be restored.
90 seconds, Trigley.
fair.
I'm not going to fault you for saying that.
It's happened
Yeah.
Now, there's no Joe Manchin.
There's no Kirsten Sinema.
So I don't know who would play those roles this time.
not saying there's, I don't think Schumer can do it this time around.
I think that there was just way too much grief from the last time.
So if Democrats cave, it's going to be a handful of Joe Manchin wannabes.
And at that point, I'm just going to crawl under a rock.
Well,
don't do that.
We don't we want we want to hear you.
You know, I think it just gets frustrating for the average Wisconsinite that says, hey, my son, my daughter, my spouse is in the military.
They need to get paid.
I don't care what those people do in D.C.
But I got bills to pay back here in Wisconsin.
It's people trying to get their soul security payment.
Oh, Trump.
So, Trump, Mr. Art of the Deal, craft a deal.
Let's go.
Right.
Yeah.
Where's the deal?
Uh, Pat, 30 seconds.
What's on tomorrow morning's edition?
Uh, you're here right, right, right there in beautiful Madison and, uh, looking forward to seeing everybody.
And, uh, I don't know, maybe asking for a raise.
I might have guessed
too, but I mean, I'm going to be down here.
I mean, we'll get something
done.
I love it.
Pat Craylor tomorrow from six until nine.
Thank you, Pat.
I appreciate it.
Come on back.
Water skiing on the St.
Croix River, even in autumn.
Catch you at his board shorts.
When he's back in Wisconsin, he is the senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, a owner of the Green Bay Packers of a beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin, and joins us from Washington, D.C.
Trig V. Olsen, senior advisor to the Lincoln Project.
Will you offer a water skier back in your day?
Did you water skier?
I knew you were.
Shell Lake.
By the way, thank you for triggering me to surprise guest appearance last week on Friday.
Well, we had Bill McCosh in here talking about the Jamesville
And, you know, it just proves that we cannot not not always agree politically, but still agree that.
great things can be done together for our youth and for the state of Wisconsin.
So thanks to Bill, thanks to you.
I
I mean.
Barb and Deerfield, listening in on the program.
Wanted to talk about earlier, we talked about Congressman Tom Tiffany, Republican of Wisconsin, getting in the gubernatorial race.
Barb, thanks for listening in.
What do you want to say?
Thanks.
Hi.
Yeah, I heard him on your show yesterday and I was a bit incensed.
Did you hear him when he said that schools in Wisconsin are, you know, failing and were as bad as Mississippi?
And he stressed that and I could not help but be incensed about it.
I'm a retired teacher and it took me if I'm wrong, didn't he help act 10?
Oh, yes.
And of course, the result of that.
as you know, with demoralizing, demonizing teachers and making the whole thing very shaky.
So, oh my gosh, how could he?
No, I appreciate calling him.
But first, Barb, I come from a family of educators.
And so thank you for what you've done and for teaching young people.
I really appreciate that.
And you're absolutely right.
He gets it wrong.
And Trigme, we've talked about this on this show.
It's difficult to vote for someone when what they bring to the table is doom and gloom.
I mean, Tommy Thompson, it used to be that Tommy Thompson's Republican would, you know, talk about, you know, and of course, this is a campaign stump speech, but you know, oh, geez, you know, Democrats get up and they suck on lemons and eat grapefruit for breakfast and go around the sour look on their face.
They're always so down.
Isn't it great to be a Republican?
And now you get to Barb's point, now you got guys like Tom Tiffany going around the state, saying all the world is terrible or the worst state in the country, like Mississippi, which just isn't true, by the way.
And I think it's going to be hard for Wisconsinites to get behind someone who just has a campaign platform of a litany of woes.
I think the other thing is, and people forget this, you know.
as it relates to Tommy, and what I always think about is what was happening back when I was working in and around that world in the early 90s, and it was like, okay, we gotta reform welfare.
The first thing Tommy did is went and reached out to people in Milwaukee, or the Milwaukee schools were failing, right?
So he went to work with Democrats, Paul Williams, Gary George.
What do you think?
What can we do?
Right, reached out across the aisle.
If you look at Act 10, for example, and the reality is there were some legitimate issues that needed to be solved, but Scott Walker made the determination, which is not surprising if you were at Bedford Boys State, you know, that Scott Walker's been running for governor his entire life, to be somebody, not to do things.
But that notwithstanding, instead of reaching out and saying, how do we work together?
Instead of reaching out to reasonable people like Tim Cullen.
and saying, hey, who worked in Tommy's administration?
How do we fix these things?
Reaching out to the teachers union, Morris Andrews, Scott Walker made a conscious decision to go about it and say, I'm gonna enrage Democrats and I'll get on Fox News and I can use that to run for president because I've been doing that since Badge Boys stayed running for president in the United States.
Well, most of us were trying to meet nice girls from the Ripon College, you know, in the lunch room, which was the more normal thing.
I think for a sophomore, junior in high school, but whatever.
So it's that contrast that is key.
And Tom Tiffany is going to be a guy who like Derek Van Orden or some of these others really isn't about doing things to help the people of the district.
They might say that.
But what they're really about is the.
the being a congressman, being on Fox News, being at the event at the White House in the paved over Rose Garden, which has got to have a lot of other presidents flipping over in their grave, right?
Yeah.
And I think that's really Tom Tiffany.
I don't hear solutions.
I don't hear how he's going to work together in a green and gold spirit of Wisconsin.
I hear him running to be red team.
Yeah,
just like I say, it's a litany of woes.
Speaking of litany of woes, our president of the United States, Donald J. Trump, was at the United Nations building in New York City yesterday for the annual annual get together of the UN and Trump gave a speech.
I remember last time he was there, he got laughed at.
Remember that when he when he said, I've, you know, I've accomplished more than any president in history.
And the whole room laughed.
He looked up and go, that wasn't really supposed to be a joke.
Now, much more serious tone yesterday, we played some of this.
Zomber is, let's do the first one where he goes off about the building, about the building and the fact that he claims that he wanted to build it differently.
Here's Donald Trump, the president of the United States before world leaders.
And this was his message.
Many years ago, a very successful real estate developer in New York, known as Donald J. Trump, I bid on the renovation and rebuilding of this very United Nations complex.
I remember it so well.
I said at the time that I would do it for $500 million rebuilding everything.
It would be beautiful.
I used to talk about, I'm going to give you marble floors.
They're going to give you terrazza.
I'm going to give you the best of everything.
You're going to have mahogany walls.
They're going to give you plastic.
So he carries on, and this goes on for a long time, this litany of how I could have built the United Nations, built him better and cheaper.
But if that wasn't enough, if that didn't offend people enough, don't worry, Donald Trump said, hold my beer.
He looks right at people, the leaders of these countries and says, your countries are going to hell.
Is Sean Thoreau, Thoreau, I believe the Washington Post put this on X yesterday, quote,
A senior foreign diplomat posted at the UN texted me, quote, this man is stark, raving mad.
Do Americans not see how embarrassing this is?
Unquote.
Trigby, you're a man of the world.
Thoughts?
Yeah, they're laughing at him and in particular and us and what's really disconcerting about it.
Well, there's two camps.
There's those who are looking at it.
Really sad those who are our allies many of whom are thinking about you know a litany of presidents who?
Help build the free world into what it was Reagan Roosevelt Kennedy All of them really And they're looking at this and they're like oh my god what has happened and then you have G and Putin and the mullahs in Iran and the North Koreans
and they're just laughing at him.
They can't believe they're good luck because, quite frankly, it's always about him and he lives in it.
It's pretty delusional.
And to be honest, Todd, what's scary about the entire thing?
It's scary what's happening in the US for a lot of people.
But to me, what's really scary is when you start looking at how Xi and Putin, these guys are going to respond.
This is how you end up in humanity, ends up in catastrophic conflict.
Other than that,
Mrs. Lincoln, how is the
It is.
I mean, it just is because and you're seeing it play out with what the Chinese are doing in and around Taiwan.
They're thinking about it.
Putin is thinking about there's drones going into the to NATO territory, planes flying into NATO territory.
We are in an incredibly precarious position because our allies are unsure of of us and our enemies.
And and I get.
For a lot of people living in Beaver Dam or in Tom Tiffany's district or whatever, it's hard for them to grasp this.
But, you know, as I've said before, if Vladimir Putin could be doing in Beaver Dam or Superior or whatever what he's doing in Ukraine, he would be.
And the potential for miscalculation with somebody who is.
as volatile as Donald Trump and the chaos and the disruption that some of his backers think, oh, we're disruptors.
You know, Elon Musk, I'm a disruptor.
What do you want to disrupt?
Peace and prosperity in a world of nuclear weapons?
Is that really something you want to disrupt?
We're talking with Trivia Olsen, Senior Advisor at The Lincoln Project.
If you're new to the show, Trivia has fought authoritarianism, particularly in Eastern Europe.
Happens to be this is real only person that I know who is banned from Russia by Vladimir Putin himself because of speaking out Through his work with John McCain and on his own so I mean that's why I always appreciate your perspective even though sometimes quite frankly it Unnerves me because I know that you've seen this stuff firsthand and as we said earlier You have the seven rules for dealing with authoritarianism based on dealing with authoritarianism
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Let's go quickly up to Eau Claire, WCFW The Tap Jean.
And Eau Claire Jean, what do you got?
Hi guys, great show as usual.
Thank you Trigby.
This is, I was watching it live and the way he was insulting everybody there.
and the way he was talking in his think-song way and having delusions of grandeur and promoting himself and seeing, you know, how great he was.
I mean, this is alarming.
I mean, psychiatrists and psychologists and therapists and people who make diagnosis, I'm sure, were thinking, oh my god, we're in big trouble.
And the people around him, the people around him, those senators,
Congressman and his advisors, they're doing a big disservice here by letting this continue because this is really destructive to our country and to the world.
So thank you, Trigby, for saying that.
Really appreciate it.
Keep up the great work, guys.
Bye.
Thanks, Gene.
Really appreciate it.
Trigby, you have one minute left.
now
But that actually kind of makes it worse because the reality is that what he was up there unscripted, he was saying who he is and what he really thinks.
Yeah.
It's just incredibly, incredibly naive, dangerous, and quite frankly, in some cases, just that shit.
Yeah,
exactly.
Crap, crazy.
crazy.
It is.
We'll keep an eye on it and continue to report on it when we come back.
Dr. Oz, Petal Aiden from the White House.
And also, we'll hear from the owner of the Green Bay Packers.
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I know Jane Greg talked about it on their show.
We'll talk a little bit more about an hour two here than Keegan Kelly from crack.com.
Great entertainment reporter going to talk to us a little bit about on his take on Kimmel coming back last night on ABC and what it means for free speech entertainment and late night moving forward.
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Triviel joins us from Washington DC.
Owner of
Yours is
I think I told this story before, but there was a time when I drove Uber for about a year.
Great experience, by the way.
And I was doing, right, I was picking up kids down, UW kids, and I always took kids.
I love taking people to the bar, but I didn't, I quit driving before bar time.
I didn't want a bar in front of my truck.
So I picked up this, I don't know, 21 probably, your old guy and his girlfriend, and they got in really fun.
couple and he goes, dude, sweet ride.
You know, Dodge Ram Uber that goes, what's her name?
And I'm like, I don't know.
I don't, I don't, you don't, you didn't name her.
Dude, you got a name.
Like I name everything like my cactus in the home.
Like I name everything.
So, you know, trick me named
So you want to know something funny, Todd?
Sure.
So as you know, I've been working on this project.
Yes.
Anyway, we can't talk about it yet.
I can't talk about it yet, but I built this tool and I'm going down to Dallas with my daughter to see the package playing.
It just so happens our lawyers are down in Dallas like VIP lawyers and whatever.
And they've been kind of using the tool.
And so we built out a full prototype of what it can be.
And I'm going to show it to them and they're going to give feedback and whatever.
And I had to name it.
the guy who's really working for me.
He's, yeah, he's out in Seattle, but he's, he's a packed fan too, because his parents are Wisconsin people, good friends of mine from long ago.
Anyway, so we had to name it.
He's like, what should we call it?
And I said, let's call it the Micah Parsons Project.
So I'm going down there and I've got, I'm going to have eight partners from this big time law firm.
And I'm going to, they're all excited to see it.
And it opens with the thing calling it the Micah Parsons Project.
Is that going to help you at Dallas or hurt you?
Yeah, I mean, these are first rate lawyers.
They're used to sticking the knife in people.
So I'm pretty sure they're also a huge cowboy fan.
So I think I'm going to be tailgating with them.
They might they might poison my barbecue or my lone star beer and Kyle will have to watch me go down.
Don't say that.
Good God.
they won't do.
We got to get to Mark real quick in the phone line.
But first, I mean, Trigby, is this just an anomaly?
of the Browns last week.
Are we going to be OK?
Tell me we're going to be OK as an owner of the
think we're going to be.
I mean, you know, I listen, our defense is really good.
I did not realize that Cleveland's defense was that good.
Very good.
Like their front four man is like they look like the 85 bears.
It didn't help that Zach Tom went down either.
But yeah, I think they're legit.
Hey, here's the more important thing.
And I didn't happen to catch it.
Man, the Badgers have got problems
and you
Yeah, we talked about it for a half hour plus yesterday.
And yeah, the Badgers have.
I mean, I jokingly said at the start of this season, because the over under of Badger wins was five and a half.
I took the under.
And I said, I predicted McIntosh, the AD athletic director, and Fickle, the head coach, would be gone by the end of the year, and Chancellor Mnuchin would tab.
Former head coach and athletic director Barry Alvarez to coach the team last game of the season in Minnesota to get the ax away from the Gophs.
I was only half-jokey, but that may be much closer to being reality than I thought.
Let's go to the phone lines quickly.
Mark got about a minute.
If he can get it in, Mark, go ahead.
Yeah, I think I actually knew Bill McCosh and sister in high school.
I think she's a year behind me Oh, Mary Ann and Marine.
Yeah shoes on shoes shoes a sweetheart
you should be playing for the bumper music for him You should be playing with the ballad of Billy Joe and Bobby Sue because Billy Mack was a detective down in Texas But I mean for for for a little mr. Tiffany I mean that the treason he committed against the state of Wisconsin and not certifying that election and not condemning the insurrection and actually not condemning the
Pardon of the insurrectionist is just unforgivable.
It's completely unpardonable And you know that I hope he you know comes in I hope he gets his head served to him it when he comes in for the election
Yeah, appreciate the call mark.
Thank you very much.
Yep.
Thank you
They need to be yeah, really we got to be careful about that they need to be forcing him to though I wouldn't spend a lot of time
forcing him to talk about that.
I would spend a lot of time forcing him to talk about free speech.
I would make him spend a lot of time talking about public schools and where and how he feels.
I would really try and force him into conversations about specifics and what makes Wisconsin great because he is going to struggle talking about that in an articulate way that resonates with the people he needs to resonate with to win.
Yeah, totally agree.
Trippy always a pleasure always feel better after talking to you.
Hope you have a good flight down to Dallas
Tell him with the Micah Parsons project.
That's fantastic.
taken.
Absolutely.
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