Remembering Robert Redford with Pete Schwaba (Hour 2)

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It is six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome to hour number two of the big program on this Tuesday, September 16th, 2025.

It is a great day.

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Glad to have you along for our two.

Let's take a look at another look, Zommerz, for those watching on the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Twix, whatever, X. Another beautiful day in downtown Madison as we look at the old Sam Davidson street cam.

Leaves just a tinge of yellow at the top of some of those trees.

There's sun is out.

Can get out and touch grass, as the kids say.

Very good.

Many thanks to Kira Saban, positive psychology, midlife coach for being our guest last hour.

You can find all of our work and get it.

Thrive with Kira.

Thrivewithkira.com.

Some really great reminders, Zombers, that we do have power to control our reaction to life events, to world events, and it's normal to get down.

But a little bit of that, maybe a little more than a little.

is up to us to how we react and go forward with it.

And

also one thing that I think that I really appreciate about Kira is that those are things we need to hear.

And I could see that kind of message still feeling discouraging coming from somebody else, but from her it feels empowering as opposed to being like, oh, here's another thing you have to do in order to feel OK.

It's like, no, you get to do this.

You can be in control of this.

because she said before like it's okay to not be okay right and we all get there we all go through those times but i think the what she put out there today and and check out this everything we went through today was on her instagram post kira saban so thrive with kira dot com or kira saban s a b i n check it out really great stuff at the bottom of this hour

We are going to be joined by our colleague, the host of Nightlight with Pete Schwabba, the one, the only Pete Schwabba nator is going to be here and looking for a great discussion.

Sad news this morning.

Great actor, director.

Robert Redford passed away this morning at the age of 81.

I thought

it was

89.

89.

Sorry.

Yes.

89.

89 years old.

So I'm going to be talking about the life and times of Robert Redford a little bit later on in this hour.

Eddie, what's worse?

is straight ahead as that as well.

Uh, I want to go here and I had this Q2P last week and then we didn't do it for obvious reasons, the news of the day.

And I think it's great to follow up what Kira talked with us about last hour that we have choices.

And this might come from an unlikely place, but I want hope you continue to listen.

This is from awful announcing.

It's a great website, by the way.

Deals with broadcasting and not just radio but all broadcasting But it's also like things that appear on television and they need a great interview and bombers Maybe you can help me if it's on the on the clip where exactly this is from and who's interviewing Jim Nance is a podcast

Yeah, it's Jimmy Trayna.

Thank you and it is Si media or si media.

I'm not familiar like sports illustrated.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Got it.

It's Jimmy who again?

Jimmy Trayna, T-R-A-I-N-A, interviewing Jim Nance.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Well, make sure we get the attribution in there.

And we're going to pick it up, and Jimmy Trayna's going to set this up.

And he's talking to Jim Nance, who celebrates his 40th year in broadcasting.

We're the great play-of-the-play announcers of all time, in my opinion, at CBS.

And talking with Jim Nance about what's changed in this industry, and it gets into, do we really all need a hot...

take.

And I think it's just a good reminder from a sports point of view that when things happen in our lives in the world, we don't always need to rush to our cell phones, our smart devices and do a hot take.

Here is Jimmy Trena talking with the sports broadcasting legend, Jim Nance.

Three, I want to get your take on something I read recently and then I'm going to end with a ridiculous question.

I want to get you to take on this because I saw this.

This comes from John Oran's newsletter.

He spoke to Torrico.

Torrico had an interesting comment about basically kids, I don't know if kids is the right word, but younger people today don't really aspire

to be play-by-play people.

They're looking more at the hot take stuff.

Let me, I'll read you what Tarikos quote is here.

Again, this is in John O'Rant's newsletter on puck.

I do notice when I go back to school now, you find more of the students who are interested in being hosts and opinion makers, and less who are interested in being play-by-play announcers.

The celebrity factor becomes the magnet, and the idea of coming through the ranks is not there as often as it once was, at least in some of the students I see.

What has been your experience with that you think Mike's onto something there of you

I

think

he's got an accurate read on it Jimmy.

I really do think that it speaks to The power of social media hot takes creating conversation and they think that's the business and they think that's what they want to get into I'm sure that Mike also gets a tremendous amount of mail

and inquiries from kids that are in high school or in college fielded all the time.

And it's one of the honors of my life because I used to be one of those kids that was writing letters in my time.

But most of them, when I try to distill what it is they want to do, I say most of them, not all of them, but I would say it's over 50%.

They want to be famous.

They want to be on TV.

They want people to hear them.

I'm going to go against the grain here.

I'm sure Mike's wired the exact same way.

That was never the hook.

It was the story and the ability to be a storyteller that was the draw.

It had nothing to do with trying to get your face out there, your name out there, or say something profound.

It's just different.

It speaks to the way we work today.

Everybody's got a hot take on everything.

And it's okay not to have a hot take on everything.

People feel like they're incomplete if they're not able to converse and have something really sharp and edgy to say.

It doesn't have to be that way.

But I do think business is losing out on...

having a reservoir of play-by-play guys because everybody is drawn to the idea of being on camera.

Right.

That's

fascinating.

Jim Nance on SI Sports Illustrated and talking to Jimmy Trena there on that podcast.

And he just nailed it, in my opinion.

If you're watching on the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, X, Twix, right behind me is my name, literally in lights, or at least a screen that's lit up, the Todd Allball Show.

This is why I'm bad at self-promotion.

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I love having this show every day.

It's a huge honor and responsibility.

Because of what Jim Namst just said.

And insommerists, correct me on the air if I'm wrong.

Have I not told you that the best shows are when I say the least, in my opinion?

I mean, yeah, that's that.

There have been a few things you've said that make the best shows and that is one of them when you have people who know what they're talking about and you let them get on a roll and Share a story and tell a story.

That's one of them.

Yeah, I and and that's why I loved having people like Kira Sabanon That's why I love that Pete Schwab is gonna be on I like being the the traffic cop so to speak

that you give them the wave and the green light, come on, okay, and then a yield, we're getting close to the break and gotta stop here.

I love the storytelling part, like Jim Nance said.

I mean, sure, of course, I mean, it's fun to come on and give your opinion, but that's not what drives me.

And you either, it's the opportunity to help tell other people's stories.

And with that, my opinion, is a huge responsibility, right?

To get it right.

And I realize this from a sports angle and gym dance being longtime play-by-play guy.

But I think it's applicable to everything else.

That so many, particularly, I'll say it, young people, they want to be famous.

And they're, unfortunately, in my opinion, have been people who have made a lot of money, think of the Kardashians.

They're famous for being famous.

I'm not sure they have any other real talent.

And so it's like being an NFL player, right?

It's less than 1% will end up there making a living.

But everybody, not everybody, but a lot of young athletes, you know, I want to be the NFL.

Brady, you and I talked about that last weekend, going to the Brewers game together when he talks to kids in schools.

And he tries his best to say,

I'm very thankful that I had the opportunity to play in the National Football League.

But here's what else that you don't know about me that I'm equally or more proud of to be a husband, to be a dad, to be a friend, to work in my community.

And it's a great reminder what Nancy just said there to me.

And I hope the rest of you find it helpful that we don't all need to rush out and have a hot take on everything.

Getting the most clicks the most likes having your voice out there Sometimes you're better served as by great math teacher Andy Speese likes to say pause and reflect pause and reflect 17 now past the hour of three o'clock time once again for what's worse.

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I broke down and bought a subscription To a fan duel because I wanted to watch the last two and a half months and I'm not sorry.

I did by the way

I listened to some of the games on the Milwaukee Brewers Radio Network on some of our fine affiliates, but I also like to watch it.

So, timely, timely indeed, the category today, what's worse?

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Subscription or purchase?

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842.

The example...

Maybe maybe my fan dual one wasn't a great example,

but that's only a subscription

only a subscription But the example is for those that still use Microsoft You can purchase Microsoft 365 a software program has like a word in it and excel and whatever Or you can subscribe Or you can be an idiot like Todd and do both

I purchased a long time ago, and then it's like when I got my new computer a couple years ago, it's like, oh, it's run out, but you can do a subscription, and so I'm like, fine.

Oh, well, I thought you meant you did both simultaneously.

No, not simultaneously.

But you bought it and then also subscribed.

But I feel like I didn't have to subscribe it because I purchased, I don't know.

I can't figure any of those things out.

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Well, yes, if I wanted to watch them, I was forced to subscribe to Peacock, the streaming service of NBC.

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Thank you very much, Ardeth, who is watching on Facebook.

Ardeth, I was talking earlier about, you know,

We come while we try to tell stories of our guests.

It's not about me.

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Artist says, watch it on Facebook says, I think you bend over backwards to compliment and give promotion to all of your guests.

It's one of the reasons I listen, watch your programs.

Please don't change.

Well, thank you, Ardeth.

That's very kind.

I had good teachers, good parents, good grandparents, tried to impart upon me to be respectful to others and lift others up.

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Subscription or purchase?

What's worse?

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Let's go quickly to Kurt in Madison on WMDX.

Kurt subscription or purchase?

What's worse?

Well, I'm going to have to say subscription and I'll qualify it like this.

I'm sure everybody experienced what I'm going to talk about, and that is, you find something you want to try and use, sign up for it, and by default, you're subscribed.

You

have to go out of your way

to hunt them down, jump through turtles and canyons and caves to kill it.

Yes, I still am getting things in my email from the Atlanta Falcons.

What Brady Ewing was drafted by the Falcons.

I don't care about the Falcons anymore, but I still get this crap.

You're 100% right, Kurt.

Thank you very much.

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, Zomers.

Have you tried to unsubscribe?

I think, yes, before I just, I don't know, I'm not hitting the right buttons.

I'll have to pick up Brady.

I just wanted to ask because I know I've...

I've been like, wow, this is so annoying.

I get this every day.

And then I went in and unsubscribed.

And I was like, wow, I should have done this years ago.

Subscription or purchase, what's worse?

Let's go to the phone lines.

Jimmy in Madison on MDX.

Jimmy, subscription or purchase, what's worse?

I think it depends.

But Kurt did hit it on the nail.

But OK, so I come from the days where back in the day, I was a web designer.

I kept all of my stuff on hard drives.

All right.

If I lost those hard drives, I lost a lot of my product if I didn't have it backed up.

But what happens with a lot of people is they have this huge collection of personal music.

They have it on a hard drive and then it gets killed.

So what I'm saying is, for instance, I'm an iTunes subscriber.

I think it's cool to let them store my music and I'll pay them to store my music and keep it safe.

That's the way I have to look at it to justify.

But you don't own it.

I don't own it, but I can download it

anytime.

And I'm in the same boat.

I'm not criticizing, by the way, because I'm in the same exact position.

I'm in the same position.

They make it extremely difficult sometimes to do that.

Yes.

And when you go to unsubscribe, I hate it when they say,

Okay, what is your password?

Oh,

I've

got to

go

I've got

to go dig deeper.

So speaking my

language

You're speaking.

I wish I had more time up against the clock.

Thanks, Jimmy We appreciate the listenership of the call eight five five seven five two four eight four two Dolores listing in Madison on WM DX Dolores subscription or purchase what's worse

I say subscriptions because you forget when you have it.

You keep paying and paying and overpaying, especially those gem subscriptions.

You go the first month, two months, and then you keep paying.

But I wanted to tell you also about Spectrum.

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A callbacker, if you work for them, let me know, because I would love some help.

Andy, I want to date Todd.

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855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

What's worse?

subscription or purchase.

Mike, a brand new listener in Madison on MDX says, neither when it comes to adult websites.

I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole.

Len in Madison says, I believe subscriptions are worse.

Subscriptions usually will have quote unquote strings attached, many of which may not, you may not even be aware

of.

Yeah, along that note on YouTube.

Cam and Appleton says, for higher purchases of electronics, they're writing into the user agreements that they can shut off your device because you don't truly own it anymore.

Yeah, I know Tesla and some other electronic cars were doing like, if you want your seat heaters, you can pay a monthly subscription.

Otherwise, we just won't let you use it, even though it's in your car.

Brett in Brown Deer on AUK says, I like a purchase better because I'm done paying after a purchase and subscriptions are worse when they become a hassle to cancel them.

Megan and some prairie subscriptions are awful not everything needs to be a dang subscription They're easy to lose track of and people end up losing money more more money than if they just buy the thing outright Matt and Middleton says I think the subscription are worse It's like insurance as they will always get more money out of the deal than the worth of the product like PJ said

How about that?

Also, our friend Jerry Perry, Jeff Perry, some subscriptions are worse.

I hate them.

I avoid subscriptions if at all possible.

Often, if subscription is the only option available, I will forego the transaction all together.

Zobbers

was worse Jeff's not alone on that one.

I mean, yeah, I think we don't have time to get into it There are reasons where subscriptions can work, but nowadays everything is a subscription It's getting ridiculous and it costs so much money for stuff.

That's generally a worse product.

I think subscriptions

are worse

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35 now past the hour of 3 o'clock on Tuesdays, September 16th, the iconic song, the theme song there from the great movie, The Sting, were those movies that made Robert Redford an icon.

His family, his agent announced that Robert Redford passed away this morning.

at the age of 89, the Academy Award winning actor and director, one of the biggest movie stars to ever grace the screen in whose startingly, startingly magnetic per charisma in films such as Butch Cassidy, The Sundance Kid, The Way We Were, and The Sting made him the icon that he was.

Barbara Streisand, who starred alongside Redford, the 1973 romantic drama, The Way We Were, said the Hollywood legend was, quote, one of the finest actors ever.

unquote, in a tribute today on social media.

Here to talk about the life, the times of Robert Redford, what he meant to the world of entertainment, to movies, the one, the only, the guy that means a lot to us, to me personally, here, our entertainment guy, you can hear him every evening on Night Light from six until eight with Pete Schwabba, joining us via StreamYard, the one, the only Pete Schwabba, Pete, how are you?

I'm well.

Is that all I get for the opening though?

Do you want more?

We can, we can gin it up a little

bit.

I'm well, buddy.

How are you?

Great to be here.

Well,

now that you're here, it's great.

I appreciate you doing this on short notice.

Obviously, we don't know when these things are going to happen, and I appreciate you being available because, you know, I could sit here and read news stories on it and give my personal reflections.

But what I love about this is, for those that I can't imagine who, but might not know your background a little bit, share with people a little bit.

You're not just a radio host for us, but you've been an entertainment and film industry a long time.

Tell people the lens you're looking at this through.

You know, it's interesting, Todd, like I've been a writer and I lived in LA for years and sold some movies and so I see what goes into the process and it makes me when a guy like Robert Redford dies.

at 89.

I mean, that's a great run.

But you it is really the end of an era.

And every time one of these Hollywood kind of tightens passes away, I kind of think who's next?

Who's going to fill those shoes?

Ryan Reynolds?

No, you know, maybe Leo DiCaprio.

He was just such an old school guy.

His private life was pretty private, a lot like Paul Newman.

He just made great

films and that's not by accident because what I just said like going through the process and you see how You know, I had one script that got mucked up Everyone had good intentions, but they did too much It was there were like too many cooks in the kitchen and to to do what Redford did and make all those great films like Paul Newman or even a Tom Cruise That just shows how smart they are and how savvy they are about the material and what they're choosing He was he was a legend, you know

One of the things

I learned today and reading the great CBS, the Sunday morning folks, they just do really great.

I think it covering entertainment and they have a couple of great pieces out today.

I was reading one of them.

You probably already knew this.

I didn't until I read it this morning.

But, you know, one of the one maybe is most popular in terms of just general people, but maybe not.

Butch Cassidy, the Sundance kid that that the studio.

did not want to have anything to do with him because he was young and fairly unknown.

And in fact, it was Paul Newman, who was what, 11 years his senior, who had to go to bat for him, and then Redford repaid that later on.

Yeah, that's a great story.

I heard that years ago, and I think it's, I mean, it's a testament to his talent, but, you know, I think the studio tends to always give pushback when someone is unproven.

And especially if they're willing to spend the money to get someone with a name next to Paul Newman.

But yeah, I think at that point, he had only done maybe the way we were.

And that was kind of a romantic drama.

So I could see the studio side.

But I love when I hear stories about how someone sticks up for someone and says, this guy's got to be a guy.

And that more or less kind of launched him onto the scene and started his long career.

And then later,

fast forward number of years, it was Redford.

that went to bat the studio and said, no, I want Paul Newman in the sting because because it was almost like, well, maybe it's too old, you know, now whatever.

And it was Redford that got Paul Newman in the sting later on.

So I did not know that that's fascinating.

And you know what's interesting?

I always the sting is one of my favorite movies to play the music, the Scott Chaplin music.

I grew up listening to my grandma and my dad play the entertainer on the piano.

It's always been some of my favorite music.

And

when I saw that movie for the first time, I just, I felt so in love with all elements of movie making, you know, the sets, the acting, the music, the writing.

And my one issue with that movie, and it was totally nitpicky, was this handsome blonde guy from the streets of Chicago.

I'm like, because Paul Newman, you kind of buy and Henry Gondorf and all these great characters, but like, I don't know, he looked like, and he was born in Santa Monica.

He is a California kid.

So that to me I had to kind of suspend my disbelief at 15, but I did because he's such a good actor and very quickly you forget and you just lose yourself in his performance, you know.

I know you said Zahmer has a couple of clips here.

Obviously kind of hard over radio.

We're going to still play him.

First one is from the way we were.

You want to set this up?

Yeah, this is Barbara Streisand running out.

She's got all these groceries and It's been years since I've seen the film but this is an iconic scene where she's telling him why they have to hang out together and he's in uniform I think just released from the service and She it kind of speaks for itself But it's just their quirky flirtatious ways that are so great on the big screen Robert Redford and Barbara Streisand in the way we were

I wasn't sure when you'd be home.

How are you?

Look, I don't know when I'll be back.

Could you leave a key or...

No, you can't, you can't, you can't.

I've got steaks and baked potatoes and sour cream and chives and salad and fresh baked pie.

I would've made a porous.

I make a terrific porous, but I didn't know whether you ever had porous or whether you like porous.

I mean, anyway, there wasn't time because it should be made the day before, so I got steaks with all my ration stamps.

And you must be hungry because, I mean, with all the hotel hunting, you couldn't have had time to eat or anything.

I mean, you can't go yet.

You've got to stay for some, but that's all there is to it.

We're kind of pie

Barbara Streisand Robert Redford Satan from the way we were Redford passed away at the age of 89 Redford and and Streisand For my money peach wabba is there a more dynamic couple on the screen?

No, they were great I mean I you know, I didn't really appreciate that movie or barefoot in the park or like until I got older I just that wasn't my type of movie, but then I just

kind of fell in love with the pairing.

I mean, Barbara Streisand is great.

And Robert Redford is so natural on camera that, yeah, they were a great duo.

No question.

Other clip that you sent, the film that maybe made Robert Redford was Butch Cassidy, the Sundance kid with Paul Newman, one of those earlier films there is the scene set it up for us, Pete Schwabber.

This is the two of them pinned in, they're on the side of a mountain.

And they think the jig is up, basically, and they're trying to figure out

if they're gonna fight or flight in.

They don't have many options.

They're about a hundred feet up on a cliff.

And it's just Robert Redford and Paul Newman at their

best.

No, it'll be okay.

If the water is deep enough, we don't get squished to death.

They'll never follow us.

How do you know?

Would you make a jump like that and you didn't have to?

I have to, and I'm not gonna.

Well, we got to.

Otherwise, we're dead.

They're just gonna have to go back down the same way they come.

Come on.

Just one clear shot.

That's all I want.

Come on.

We got to.

Get away from me.

Why?

I want to fight them.

They'll kill us.

Maybe.

You want to die?

Do you?

All right.

I'll jump first.

Nope.

Then you jump first.

No, I said.

What's the matter with you?

I can't swim.

Why are you crazy?

The fall will probably kill you.

Butch Cassidy, the Sundance kid, Paul Newman and Robert Redford, who passed away at the age of 89, discuss it with Pete Schwab, a host of Nightlight.

Yeah, he was that's a great scene and so Paul Newman like to me He's one of my maybe all-time favorite silver screen idols so to speak but a great scene and a great movie I rewatched that about four years ago.

Maybe and it's kind of funny Todd There's a scene in the middle of the movie and I can't remember the name of the actress But they play raindrops keep falling on my head and Paul Newman is just riding around on a horse.

It's like the only song

But it works,

you know, it's so iconic and cool.

Let's talk a minute about.

Besides being a great actor, he later became kind of got away more or less from being in front of the camera, although he never left it, but focused much more on directing side of it.

Wanted Oscar, correct me if I'm wrong, as a director.

And then got a lot of philanthropic, active, very environmentalist.

He and Jane Fonda, of course, were one of my favorite films was Electric Horseman because I had Willie Nelson in it.

And I just like the story

of

the whole thing with Jane Fonda.

They were great.

on and off the screen for many years.

But he started the Sundance Film Festival, which we used to have a Sundance Theater here in Madison.

But talk about

what he

did to help filmmakers who might have never gotten a shot had it not been for Robert Redford.

I mean, the fact that there's probably 15 film festivals just in Wisconsin now in 2025, you can probably thank Robert Redford for.

Like he started the, and it wasn't the first film festival ever, but Sundance became such a destination for movies.

And, you know, all these festivals started popping up afterwards.

Now it's sort of not even really an independent film festival.

It's just a big, you know, they'll screen anything, but yeah, he started that with great intentions and he started the like the Sundance Foundation and all this Sundance Institute.

He did win an Oscar, like you said, Todd, for ordinary people for directing.

And he also won an honorary Oscar in 2002 for directing, acting, producing kind of a lifetime achievement thing, but also for the fact that he started the Sundance Institute.

So yeah, he was an environmentalist his whole life and an activist.

Just, you know, it would have been really interesting to see him as a modern day famous actor with social media because he seems so above that as did Paul Newman and all these older stars.

And now we know everybody's dirty laundry and where they stand on everything.

And I think, you know, you and I are the only ones that don't have sex tapes floating around out there.

Like

it's just, I

don't

either.

Oh, it's

not too later.

But, you know, it's just I really missed that.

And maybe it's not fair to judge him against modern day.

I joked about Ryan Reynolds, but, you know, he was philanthropic and he was a business guy, but it wasn't like he wasn't hawking every product or his gin and his every he was a true artist.

That's so

well said.

And I think not to get political, but I mean, I think we talked earlier.

I had Jim Nans on a clip.

He was on the SI podcast talking about, you know, if we're a sports announcer standpoint, you don't have to have a hot take on everything.

Just do your job.

And I think that's another lesson from from Robert Redford.

You don't have to go out there and be in the middle of everything.

Do your job and do it well.

And that'll be enough.

It's so true and it's it's the it's the day-to-day.

It's focusing on like Tony Goldwyn once said like, you know, he's a Metro Goldwyn MGM He's a golden Samuel Goldwyn's grandson and he said that in his family it was it was always about your work It was always about the resume and the library you compiled and and work you could be proud of and It's you know, it's just about folk keeping if you keep the focus on the work.

You don't have to worry about all that other stuff

Now, I know it's competitive right now, like, you know, kind of what Jim Nance said, you have to keep yourself out there, and that's how people do it.

So it would be interesting to see if he would have had a different career under those times, but I'm glad he had the career he had.

Can you come back after the break, Pete?

Yeah, I thought I was asleep over.

Fantastic.

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the electric horseman starring Robert Redford and Jane Fonda.

Robert Redford passing away today at the age of 89 and here to discuss his life and times.

Once again, the host of Nightlight every evening from six until eight, Pete Schwabba.

I don't know why, Pete.

I may be keeping it long.

I was still fairly young, but I remember seeing it.

It was just enthralled by it.

And I like this story that here is this rodeo guy.

who was taking care of his horse.

It was more important to steal this stud horse for rodeo because it was being shot up with, with hormones or whatever and releasing it.

You know, a million dollar horse or whatever, just put out the, and Jane Fonda played for those who don't know the reporter who is on his case trying to tell the story.

And of course they, you know, things happen and fall in love.

At one point, my favorite line from that movie, I think, I can't say I've verbatim, but he and Jane Fonda have to sleep out.

Tender something like that while they're trying to save this horse and he gets up in the morning like oh And she's like what's the matter?

He goes some my parts of my body wake up sooner than others

You know it's funny I was when I was a kid I saw that movie.

I don't think I really understood it Like but now you know

My favorite line from the movie, it wasn't my favorite line, but it kind of made me go, people do that.

Like he was saying how, what he had for breakfast every day.

And she said, what?

And he said steak and eggs.

I'm like, what?

Like I was used to fruity pebble.

Who has steak and eggs for breakfast?

Like cowboys.

So that was kind of interesting.

But in that song and talk about icons, man, when Willie Nelson goes, that's going to be a bleak day too.

Oh, don't

say it.

Don't say I

saw him

last year.

He was here at Bree Stevens Field.

And it was the second or third time I've seen him.

And I mean, he's 91, 91, 92, at least.

And

as

of last summer, he was his fingers were still picking and he still had the pipes.

Yeah, I was at the show too.

Basically, it took him a song to warm up and then he was great.

Yeah.

Wow.

Oh, that's so cool.

Peace.

Let's get this over so we don't forget what's coming up on Nightlight tonight from six until eight.

Tonight, I'm going to talk about the Dialogues Documentary Festival in Milwaukee.

Susan Kearns from Milwaukee Film will join me at 6.35.

We'll talk to Susan for a bit.

It's a great festival.

Milwaukee Film does such an amazing job.

It's a great program, a great organization.

And then I've got a guy who I've been trying to have on the show for a while.

uh trapper chef will be with me and we're gonna play a couple of his songs and he's gonna join me over the stream uh and just a great guy i don't know how familiar with his music

but he found

he found a bob dillon song that was going on it was an unfinished song called wisconsin and he kind of saw it online and finished it and arranged it and sent it in and bob dillon gave him the go-ahead to release it so he basically

co-wrote a song with Bob Dylan, and it's called, he named it On Wisconsin, but Trapper has a new album out called Osborne, and there's a song on it called Loaded about the pharmaceutical industry.

He is great.

So I'm very excited to talk to Trapper.

That's fantastic.

I can't wait.

I'll be listening in as I

Often do as I try to do from six until eight.

You can also hear Pete on the Civic Media app from six until eight as well.

Home Station, WGBW, Green Bay.

We can hear him across the network every evening from six until eight.

Pete, couple of minutes left here, a minute and a half or so.

Just final thoughts on what Robert Redford meant to you as someone who comes from the entertainment world?

I mean, you know what?

Honestly, I'm...

I've been in the business, but I'm mostly a fan too.

And I just, I never met him.

I don't know him.

I just know his work and I like that.

I like knowing what he left behind.

Like people, oftentimes celebrities get criticized.

Oh, Frank Sinatra, he had affairs, or oh, people always looking for something to judge people or find something negative.

And I just want to say, you know what?

Do you know how much joy Frank Sinatra's music has brought to people?

Do you know how much joy Robert Redford's career in movies have brought to people?

just be quiet and fall in and look at their art and look at the legacy they left.

And that's certainly the case with Robert Redford.

I well said, I couldn't agree more with what you just said.

I would add for me, I think it's what you said earlier, Pete, is that obviously never met him, never knew him, whatever.

But just from afar, watching him work and appreciated what he created and seemingly, and we've seen a couple of these stories, going to bat against.

Bigger interests and saying no I believe in this and I'm not compromising and that takes right and that that that takes some some the balls I'll say it And some fortitude but to say no if they don't want to give in I'm not gonna do that to believe in it to truly believe and to and to put that out there on the screen for the world Because you believe in it that that's a lesson for me

and it's a big and that and that sounds

Easier than it is and I going back to social media Todd I hear all these people that like they make these Statements like you know me I say it how I feel it and all that kind of stuff like oh, that's not hard to do on social media Yeah, I mean when you actually have to do it against big entities whether it's a movie studio or a billion-dollar corporation or it takes like you said it takes I won't be as risqué as you thought but it takes major guts and He had a he was a great artist and a seemingly a really good human being

Yeah,

I could not agree more, and he'll be sorely missed.

But the cool thing is, people like this pass, their work still lives.

And we can still go back and watch The Sting and Butch Cassidy, The Sundance Kid, and all this other work.

And that's the legacy that we can all learn from.

Pete Schwabba, thank you so very much.

And I'll encourage everybody to tune in tonight from 6 until 8 with Pete and his trusty sidekick, Conrad.

Thank you, buddy.

Thanks for asking me to be on

I love being on your show the feeling that mutual you're welcome anytime Thanks for taking the time Pete on a busy

day

for you really appreciate it.

Stay tuned Maggie Dawn is next This is Todd say whatever you're fighting for whatever you believe in do not give up

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