Staying Engaged In Your Community with Dale Schultz (Hour 1)

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Albault along Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board.

It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Monday, September 15th, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite, back to work, back to school, spectacular fall day here in downtown Madison on State Street at the World Headquarters of Civic Media.

Aaron Zommers, how the heck are you?

Doing well, had a nice weekend, got a lot done at home, got to...

Jam out a little, play some music with some friends.

How about

you?

Yeah, Saturday was a little as my grandma used to say, done in.

So stayed at home, kind of did some things around the house, kind of recouped from a very, very busy week news-wise last week, and watched the Badgers, our Wisconsin Badger football team down in Alabama, as Keith Jackson used to say.

And going in, remember, Mike Clemens, a great sports reporter, I said the line was 20 out in the desert that, you know, Alabama was expected to win by 20.

That was the betting line.

And Clemens said, no, it's up to 22.

And I said, I'm not, but if I were a betting man, I'd probably put a hundred bucks on, on the over on that.

I should have done that because it was constant loss by a score of 38 to 14.

to the Crimson Tide did not look good at all.

That last, and really the offense only scored one touchdown because the other touchdown was from special teams.

So we'll get into more of that later, but yeah, not a great look for Wisconsin, Alabama, and really an already...

a must-win situation when the Maryland Terps Terrapins come to Camp Randall on Saturday.

So we'll talk more about that a little later.

On the upside, what a weekend for the crew.

Milwaukee Brewers have clinched the postseason and got an absolutely spectacular come from behind win on Saturday night against the dreaded St.

Louis Cardinals.

Crew one, nine to eight in 10 innings was down there yesterday with Brady Ewing and the boys, his family at County or County Stadium and Ampham Field yesterday.

And you thought maybe they'd have the same thing come back in the ninth, but just couldn't get it done.

Great pitching by the Cardinals and Milwaukee lost in nine innings three to two yesterday.

They get back underway here tomorrow.

At home, we got the day off today.

They're back underway tomorrow against the Los Angles Angels.

605 the pregame show on many of our stations tomorrow afternoon or tomorrow night with the first pitch just after 6 30 you can hear it on RCE and Richland Center ISS in Oshkosh and our new station WBZH in Hayward, but the crew Got that that first big milestone, which is securing a postseason birth and so while I was in in Milwaukee yesterday at Infant Field and went down to the gift shop.

I I wanted a lot

large, this is a little tight, but it works.

It's, it's the last, it was either a medium or a double XL.

And I'm like, wow.

So I've got the October baseball 2025 t-shirt.

Cause anytime you're playing in October, that means you, you made the playoffs.

So I'm all set to go great.

We'll talk more about that a little bit later as well.

Great time with Brady and his and his family.

Just great people appreciate him coming on every other week.

So try to take him to to one game a year just to say thank you.

That was that was a lot of fun.

So those were the the sport 10 lines.

And we're going to play you here in just a while.

We're going to play you a really.

I still get goosebumps hearing it and talking about it.

Bob Euker the great announcer.

wrote a letter to the Brewers and gave it to owner Mark Atnasio before he passed away in January in case the crew got back to the playoffs.

And on Saturday night, Pat Murphy, the manager, read that letter.

And we've got the audio.

Thanks to our great sports reporter, Mike Clemens.

We're going to play you the full thing here in just a little bit.

Also coming up on this show at the bottom of this hour my former boss former Senate Majority Leader Dale Schultz Republican from Richland Center is gonna be in via phone discussing political violence and also civil discourse He's gonna be out in public talking with former Democratic Dane County Sheriff Dave Mahoney and one of the great jurists in Wisconsin Dave Donner are doing a public forum on civility

and our constitutional crisis in Green County this week.

I'm gonna talk to him about that.

Dale received death threats of his own in his political career.

How did he deal with them?

And what does he think of the current situation?

And then in hour number two, do not miss it.

Coming up at 3.06, in hour two, State Senator Kelder Royce, a frequent guest on this program, announced this morning via video that she is running.

for the Democratic nomination for Wisconsin governor.

We're going to talk live to State Senator Keller Royce here coming up in hour two.

Find out how our first full day as a gubernatorial candidate is going and a once worse dentist or doctor in hour two as well.

Want to start out with a clip from former Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg.

He was on Meet the Press on NBC yesterday.

And I think as more news and disinformation came out over the weekend, over the assassination of Charlie Kirk, this is a good place to start for this discussion today.

Here is former Secretary

of Transportation Pete Buttigieg.

There is a sickness, not just the sickness of somebody who would pick up a gun and shoot someone, but I think a broader societal sickness that, frankly, I think you could see and feel.

And how many people around America, normal people, not dangerous people, were at a moment when we all should have still been praying for the victim and his family, were busy online praying for some shred of evidence that the shooter would turn out to be from the other political team.

That is not healthy, and that is not a way forward, but that is exactly what the algorithm pushes us to do.

And this does seem to be especially acute.

for young men.

Young men right now statistically are the group most likely to spend most of their time alone.

That is a prescription for a deeper societal level of pain and unraveling that we have got to turn around.

We can't

go on like this.

And I think it's especially important to remember that some of the very same people who are in these conversations online will be perfectly normal offline.

That's why we do need to just put down the phone, put down the computer, step out and talk to each other in environments where our humanity comes through.

Former Secretary of Transportation

Pete Buttigieg.

It encapsulates perhaps better than I could my own feelings.

Zomers and I talked about this before today's show talked about it with a great director of operations our immediate supervisor Luke Mathers We were sitting there and our owner and CEO as he occasionally does kind of came by to say hi and we got into a conversation about this with sage Here's my feeling folks The amount of time and I'm not complaining very grateful to have this job the amount of time it takes now for me

to make sure that the information we're passing on about this major event or any other is getting greater and greater.

Why?

Because it used to be that you could say, well, okay, the FBI said this.

Well, they're going to be truthful.

The FBI is now controlled by Kash Patel, which is essentially doing the Trump bidding.

You add into that the huge amounts we talked about this last week, Russian bots and Chinese bots, in other words,

uh made up people online by computers who are putting out disinformation inaccurate information to drive us against ourselves you guys to drive us against ourselves reviewing the fluidity of last week's events with the assassination of charlie kirk i i feel pretty good about

The information we passed on to you.

Remember, we said it was fluid.

This is what we know at the time.

The alleged shooter, we told you was white.

That's true.

Christian Mormon home.

That's true.

His parents, longtime Republicans, Trump supporters.

That's true.

Pro-gun family and RA members.

That's true.

I think the only thing, and I'll correct myself,

The only piece of information I passed on from this program last week that we don't know now is true or not, it doesn't appear to be, was that I said that his dad was a former sheriff for a 27-year law enforcement official.

That part, I got wrong.

So I want to clean that up.

But I can't come on this show every day and try to give you all the accurate information on things like this.

It's just too overwhelming.

We're not equipped for it, quite frankly.

And neither does I think it do any good to come on here and gin things up from a talk format and pit each other against you and have these screaming conversations or, or demeaning conversations or angry conversations.

What I want to do, I think I hope we're equipped to, and we're going to talk about this a little bit more in the show.

Our friend Kira Saban, positivity, life psychologist, life coach, had a great post this weekend.

I'm gonna summarize it, we'll talk more about it a little bit.

And she said, as we talked last week, our brains, physiologically, are not capable of digesting daily drama and trauma.

Not capable.

And while we can never stop bad things from happening in the world, also simultaneously, there are all kinds of good things.

And just because we talk about the good in the world,

doesn't mean that we're putting on Pollyanna or rose-colored glasses and ignoring the bad.

We'll still talk about politics and current events.

But to do deep dives and to suss this out and to have arguments about it, what I think, what I hope is more productive is, A, sharing the good in this state, because there's a lot of it.

We travel around.

We brought you those stories.

We're going to continue to do that.

And B, bringing folks on.

And I know it happens to be my former boss, but I haven't won anyway.

Dale Schultz a guy who actually got death threats as a state senator in this state.

I was there We're gonna talk about how he handled that how he continues to handle that this week Not hiding away in a hole But going out in public along with Dave Mahoney a Democrat former sheriff along with Dave Doninger a judge having Good conversations in our communities and realizing what trigger he also keeps reminding us as someone who's fought

authoritarianism and dictators in Eastern Europe around the world.

To the point where Vladimir Putin himself has banned Trigvy from ever coming to Russia.

So the guy knows something about how to handle authoritarianism.

He reminds us, Trigvy does, our enemies are not our neighbors, guys.

Not our neighbors.

Our neighbors are our neighbors.

And how do we listen to each other?

and understand each other and create community, because that's the best thing I can help do.

I can't come on the air and solve all of political violence.

I can't come on the air and I don't have the team or the ability or the time to do the hard, hard research of putting and trying to give you the counterpoint on every piece of social media stuff out there.

But what I can do is come on and help tell the truth about Wisconsin, what we do know, try to put in context a family

and neighbors and fellow Wisconsinites.

And I don't think that's being polyana issues.

They don't want to, you don't want to talk about the hard stuff.

I think it's more difficult today than maybe ever before to look across the backyard fence and say, even though they put a Biden Harris or a Trump Vance yard sign in the yard, I can still respect them as a neighbor and a fellow human being.

And that's where it starts.

in my opinion.

That's where we can actually progress in Wisconsin, in each of our communities, realizing that our neighbors and our community members, there's so much more that unites us than divides us.

And if we just heard Pete Buttigieg say, and we heard that Buttigieg, obviously Democrat, and we'll come back out for this on the Civic Media, Network and Talk World.

Having fun doing it.

Welcome back to the Town of All Show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Twenty-two now past the hour or two o'clock on Monday, September 15th, 2025.

The gremlins have been worked out.

If the last segment sounded like it ended abruptly, it's because it did.

Normally, normally, and this is how good Zomers is, you know, some people, they watch the clock.

And you know, that's when the, you know, when you're going to break, you got to wrap it up.

I have relied so much on Zomers because he's so good.

He starts the music.

30 seconds.

And as soon as I hear the music, I'm like, all right, I got 30 seconds.

And he was pretty sure I see him waving his arms because the computer froze up.

It wasn't Zomers.

And we couldn't play the music going out because the computer is on.

Well, it's all good now.

All right.

But I want to let people know it wasn't you.

It was it was just sometimes things don't work right.

It's just the way it goes and we had any move on so welcome back to the show Dale Schultz former Senate Majority Leader talking about political violence and Good conversation how to be I don't have disagreeable conversations without being disagreeable on Community looking forward to that and State Senator Keller Royce an hour to just after the top of the hour at three o'clock She announced her run for governor today

Gonna be talking about that finishing up this conversation on the headlines the week we played the cut from former secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg from meet the press yesterday saying that look we got to get offline We can't be consumed with this disinformation from both sides from and this has been propagated by places like Russia and China to pit us against ourselves and and Living online ain't healthy

Doesn't matter who you're supporting.

All right, Zomers.

Yeah, one thing on that, actually, we could maybe ask Dale about when he's on.

He told us about a book called Bowling Alone that was written around the year 2000 about, you know, a trend that the author saw then of people spending a lot more time alone and not talking to everyone else.

And the internet's made that so much worse.

It's still relevant today.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

It really is.

And the more we talk to each other, the better off we are.

Quickly, let's go to the phone lines.

Troy in Mount Horrible, the NWM DX.

Troy, thanks for calling.

Let's see.

Oh, quickly, I guess.

I don't know how to talk to these people because they didn't vote for a normal Republican.

They didn't vote for Bob Dole.

They didn't even vote for George Bush.

They voted for a racist rapist.

And, you know, if.

I don't understand that and I'm proud that I don't understand that because I don't want to have understood how you could vote for that guy.

And if that shuts people out of my life, that's fine because I'm fine letting them go.

Right.

Because that's who they are.

I

appreciate the comments as always, Troy, and I get where you're coming from.

And certainly if people are unhealthy in our lives, it's better not to have them in it, right?

If there's just no way to get around that.

But I do think it's important to bring a curiosity and say why, and think to ourselves, and we're not here to fix everybody, at least I'm not, but like to think to myself, okay, why does that person feel that way?

Do they have hurt or do they have unfortunate circumstances in their own life that cause them to want to support

something that I don't agree with.

It doesn't mean we're always going to see eye to eye, but can we say, hey, we might disagree on this, but we can still talk about the Packers or we can still raise money for our local EMS together and help out our communities.

I'm not saying that we have to condone things that we don't agree with, but I'm just saying myself, at least, I think I could use a better job of trying to understand people.

But I appreciate the call, Troy.

Thank you so much.

Mark, in part a sec.

Mark, we're up against the clock.

If you could make a brief please, my friend.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I hear again the condemnation of the word empathy, and it was claimed.

Oh, that's a brand new word.

Well, it may be actually coined, you know, that when I looked up, it's coined from a German word back in 1908.

But the concept of empathy is quite old.

I mean, I guess, human.

David Hume and Adam Smith, actually.

spoke of it as a fellow feeling among your fellow human beings.

But of course, the Bible is filled with empathic emotions in there that actually work the definition of the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

And Charlie Kirk actually used empathy to gain support among his people that, like him, he said, you are feeling put upon, you're not getting the job you want, you're not getting the wealth you want.

you're not getting the opportunities you want.

I understand that.

And it's interesting that a man who condemns the word empathy uses understanding of other people to gain support and channel their energies and their anger toward the people they're not supposed to be angry with.

The people they should be angry with is the guys at the very top that manipulated this situation where all the wealth is in their hands and we are supposed to fight over the scraps.

Yeah.

Appreciate the comments, Mark.

Thank you so very much.

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We're going to continue talking about this perhaps a little bit more in an hour or two.

We're actually going to continue the discussion with, with Dale Schultz.

And in a lifelong Republican, 30 plus years in the legislature and assembly in the, in the state Senate ran for, for US Congress and the third district.

And.

When I was working for him at various times, but particularly his last term from 2010 to 2014 a number of issues act 10, right?

Scott Walker's act 10 Which divided the state in terms of of basic getting rid of the ability for public unions to negotiate public workers negotiate including teachers in the state

And Dale was one of the last people on the Republican side to announce where he was going to go with his vote because he went out and listened to his constituents.

And that resulted as someone who was there in a lot of hatred towards him from both sides, but particularly his own party, Republican party.

And at the time we still had fax machines, ran out of fax paper.

Basically,

phone lines got so clogged up that we couldn't answer phones because there's so many phone calls coming in.

We're going to talk to Dale about what is it like to have a death threat that involves you and your family, how he dealt with that.

and his advice on dealing with our friends and neighbors in today's political climate.

Don't go anywhere, a conversation with former Senate Majority Leader Dale Schultz after this and State Senator Kelder Royce on our gubernatorial announcement at the top of the hour is the all ball show in civic media.

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Pacific media are ready to work 35 minutes now past the hour two o'clock on Monday, September 15th, 2025.

Appreciate Zomers on the board.

That song usually means we got one guest on the other side.

He is former state Senate Majority Leader, Dale Schultz, a Republican from Richland Center who joins us via phone and in the auspices of full disclosure, he also is one of my former bosses as well.

Dale, I appreciate you taking time on short notice to join us today.

How are you?

Well, I'm terrific like a lot of people I'm busy that didn't care of my fault chores a little touch-up feigning here and there and the like to get ready for winter

I know you're always a busy guy out there whether it's in town or on your farm there you and your wife run So I appreciate you taking the time and and I wanted to bring you on I appreciate you doing this because knowing you so well

I know you're not always comfortable talking about this stuff because you don't like to draw attention to your own stories, but you're uniquely qualified to talk about the moment.

So I appreciate this.

And that is when you were particularly the last term from 2010 to 2014 after you were Senate Majority Leader.

and Act 10 came up in the capitol.

Scott Walker's bill to attack collective bargaining for public workers in this state.

You were one of the last Republicans to tell people how you were going to vote because you went across your district and listened first.

And that resulted in a number of threats into your office while I was working for you back then.

We still had fax machines.

We ran out of fax paper.

The phones got so tied up we couldn't even take calls.

hundreds of thousands of emails and you receive death threats and and I want people to understand that the worst of it came from people from who allegedly were from your own party Republicans and conservatives and the worst it got and I checked double checked make sure I was tell the truth with our former colleague TJ and he remembered it the same way

As far as I can tell, Dale, we only actually, or you had the office shut down closed for one day.

And that is when someone put a bomb threat, a death threat through the mail slot in your office door at the state Capitol.

And you told us all to leave for the day.

Had the Capitol Police involved.

TJ actually insisted on coming back later that night.

I said, what are you doing?

He goes, I'll clean it up for radio.

He said, look, I got stuff I gotta get done.

Screw it, I'm going in.

Just talk to us, Dale, what that's like being an elected official and having death threats and threats against you and your family.

Well, I don't know that being an elected official makes it any more or less pleasant.

The fact is that we all care about our kids and our spouses and we cringe about the reality that someday somebody who's

derange might do something horrible.

And yeah, it gives everybody who's involved a sense of a real concern.

But let me just talk to this in a broader sense and make it more relevant to what's happening now and a little less about me.

You know, what we have

what happened in this country as we've decided to turn politics over to the moneyed political class that's really run by a bunch of consultants who make a ton of money telling politicians how they can stay in office forever and enjoy all the perks associated with what goes on and their basic messages

Jenning up hate and They know and they can present facts to you that that really motivates people far more than If you would gin up a bunch of love and that by itself is kind of depressing to me But that that's the that's the reality but the choice of what you do cannot be blamed over on

consultants even if they're the principal actor and in this little play of ours.

It's really up to you and yeah I don't care whether you're a Republican or a Democrat right now the first thing I tell people when they talk to me my former colleagues and new legislators is you know maybe you ought to look in the mirror and you ought to consider once in a while the other guy might be right.

You know I remember being in the legislature when

We were really concerned about out of control anger on the floor of the state Senate and the majority leader and minority leader would get together, go behind closed doors with the offending party and calm them down and point out that this was against our traditions.

It's against our rules.

We're not here to punish them.

We want them to have an opportunity to express themselves, but this is really spoiling it for everyone.

And it's going to lead to less talk, less compromise down the road, particularly among our constituents.

They don't do that anymore.

People either don't talk or they get really angry.

And pretty soon, the consultants are ginning it up with with constituents at election time.

And the politicians, instead of, you know, assuming this sort of reinforce it.

And

I think we all know that both sides do this.

I tend to be a little more critical of my former colleagues because I thought we Republicans were better than this.

I guess that's not so much true anymore.

And I think if we're ever going to get out of this, it's going to be when the public decides they've had enough and throws all the bums out.

And particularly the ones that can't ever

find a way to sit down with anybody and work something out.

We're talking to former State Senate, Wisconsin State Senate Majority Leader Dale Shultz, Republican from his home in Richland Center via phone, talking about the political violence discourse, how to better conversations.

Dale, we played a cut from former Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg at the top of the show.

He was on Meet the Press this weekend saying, hey, part of this is just

Putting down our electric devices getting off the internet because there's so much disinformation and reconnecting with our neighbors now I'll clean this up a little bit for radio But when I was your chief of staff and during act 10 some of this stuff we you know Television was still a bigger thing and so we watch I would have a small TV monitoring state

programs and national programs.

I can't remember what the issue was specifically, but you came in off the floor one day and you said, what are you watching?

I told you about whatever program it was.

I said, and we've been getting a lot of emails and this is just terrible.

And you cut me off and you said, turn that crap off.

What is this doing to solve the problem?

We're here to ameliorate the situation and to cut the tension.

I looked at you and said, not only that, we should make it better.

So I mean, but you were, you, and that was a great lesson for me because you were less concerned about what was hot on TV or the internet and more about solving problems and connecting like Buddha judge said today with our communities.

And I, and I really admire you.

And I thank you for teaching me that lesson.

Well, that's very kind of you, Todd.

And I think people are judges in entirely right.

What I've been preaching for a couple of years now is engagement.

And by that, I mean exactly what the Buttigieg said.

Get out of your own little world, set down your little echo chamber with your smart device, and go talk to your neighbors.

And you don't even have to talk about politics.

Just get to know them and find out what's motivating them, what's concerning them.

There's a lot of pain out there, and it is confined to one political party or the other.

And we've got to reconnect with our neighbors.

But I also like to tell you another little story, and I think I've said this on the air before.

But, you know, during Act 10, I was the last person to indicate how they were going to vote.

And the rationale behind that was, as you said, it didn't make a lot of sense to me to decide how I was going to vote and then go out and list to my constituents.

They would have spotted me for a phony like they did everybody else in about three seconds.

I went out and took the heat.

Everybody was mad at me.

Everybody was demanding I vote their way.

And there were times when I had picketers in front of my house, particularly I remember one snowy morning when it was really cold.

I had a whole bunch of picketers out here.

I think the majority of them might have been teachers, but they were a lot of different people as well.

And instead of yelling at them or calling the cops,

I just went out my back door and walked around the house quietly and non-threateningly.

And I said, I'm really concerned about you and I hear you and I'm here to listen to you.

And I said, I just have one thing I'd like to do in advance.

And I stopped, turned, went on the front porch and got a bucket of sand and brought it down and sanded the sidewalk.

And I said, look, I don't want anybody to get hurt out here.

That would just be silly.

And furthermore, before we get started here, I just want to add one parenthetical note.

And that is, if you feel like you need more sand than these sidewalks, you're free to go up on my porch and get the sand and take care of the sidewalks.

Now, let's talk about things and tell me what's on your mind.

And, you know, the conversation didn't last a long time.

It was only about maybe five minutes.

I had to get to Madison.

That kind of a gesture by a politician that's a little disarming a little bit open goes a long long way with people in pain and It would be nice if we saw a few more of our elected officials doing that rather than Preaching how fearful they are of their constituents, you know We don't need that

I'm so glad you told that story.

That's why I wanted you to share it again with people, because I think it epitomizes how you dealt with people who didn't always agree.

Instead of calling the cops or saying, oh my, or getting your firearm out, you took sand out to make sure that the people protesting against you were okay.

And also for the record, so people know Dale was the only Republican that voted against Act 10 and against Scott Walker, against his own party in that issue.

But Dale, too,

We're talking with former Senate Majority Leader Dale Schultz.

What do you make of people in Wisconsin?

Robin Voss has talked about this, and now we're hearing legislators in D.C.

Everybody's scared.

Oh my gosh, I'm scared, I'm scared.

You know, and why are people today, not everybody, but there's so many electeds who are now scared versus what you did when you had people protesting outside your personal home?

Well,

you know what what I didn't tell you in advance of that is I probably and you know this to be a fact Probably traveled further and farther in my district listening to my constituents on a regular basis than almost any of my colleagues I would say to the current leadership in the state legislature and in Congress Why don't you get off these phony baloney?

Phone call town hall meetings where you know that you're being screened when you call in and it's basically a giant commercial

and go out and meet your constituents and meet them before there's a problem.

You know, it's hard for people or social media to tell lies about you if they already know you.

So just go out there and sit down with them.

You don't have to solve all the problems or own anybody.

Just go out and lend a sympathetic ear.

And listen, and if you ask a question, answer it briefly and transparently.

And isn't it telling Dale, to your point you just made, people like Tammy Baldwin, U.S.

Senator Tammy Baldwin were going out and meeting with people.

People like Mark Boccaion, congressman here from the Second District, doing that.

Derek Van Orton in the Third District refuses to meet with his own constituents by and large.

And I think you nailed it, Dale.

If you know your constituents, you're not going to be fearful.

I think that's so important.

Do you have five more minutes or you got to run?

No, I'll stay five

minutes.

All right, just going to go up against the clock here, but I want to come back and we're going to talk specifically with Dale about this forum.

He's having this week with former Democratic Sheriff Dave Mahoney and Judge Dave Diningo.

We're talking about that on the other side.

It's the title of all show for a Monday on the Civic Media.

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Now, eight minutes before the hour of three o'clock at the top of the hour, ABC or CBS News, depending upon which of our great stations you're listening to.

Weather update, sports, the great Mike Clemens, and then surprise, surprise.

This is fantastic.

We thought we were going to talk to State Senator, Keller Royce, who announced her gubernatorial run this morning.

It appears she's going to be in studio with us.

sitting right here beside us.

So that'd be fantastic.

Looking forward to that.

Right now wrapping up our discussion, our conversation with former Republican Senate Majority Leader, State Senator Dale Schultz of Southwest Wisconsin joining us via phone from his home in Richland Center.

Dale, I appreciate the time was having that great conversation about political discourse, political violence.

You made the great point that

One of the reasons you weren't afraid when people protested your home, one of the reasons you didn't call the cops or get a firearm out, that you went out and put sand out there in the winter for people protesting you for their own safety, was because you knew your constituents.

And I think you're absolutely right.

Our elected officials would be a lot better served if they did the same thing.

To that end,

You have not stopped doing that, meeting Wisconsinites.

Our mutual friend, your former colleague, State Senator Tim Cullen, late great Tim Cullen, Democrat, you and he went out, talked about gerrymandering a lot.

Also former State Senator Majority Leader Bob Jowk, you guys have talked about the environment and politics.

And now you're doing it with former Dane County Sheriff, Democrat Dave Mahoney.

And former appellate court judge David Dininger, you guys are gonna be down to the beautiful community of Belleville at Belleville High School Auditorium this Wednesday from six until 7.30 on Constitution Day.

It's being sponsored by Hands Off Nuglaris and the Belleville Liberty Bells.

Love that.

Talk to us, Dale, about what you and former Sheriff Mahoney and Judge David Dininger are doing down in Belleville this Wednesday.

Well, let me just say we spent the first segment talking about a problem and I always believe that that's fine as you should talk about problems, but you also should try to formulate a plan to make things better and Heaven knows we we need a lot of plans to make things better but one of the ideas that I like that I heard that I've decided to sign on with You know with a great deal of passion is the notion of fusion voting

Infusion voting is something that existed in this country up until the end of the 1800s or early part of the 19th or 20th century.

And it ended because the political parties decided they wanted to control the voters and the political process to a greater extent.

But prior to that time, we allowed people to vote for

multiple candidates for the same office, and their votes could be fused.

In other words, you could vote for Dave, Mahoney for Sheriff, and if I lived in Dane County, I could vote for Dave, Mahoney for Sheriff, and we could be in two different political parties, and our votes would be fused together.

What this does is this puts

The 40% of the populace that doesn't like either political party anymore in the driver's seat That they will have agency in the political process and That what what they do basically is they go to Canada they like and say we'd like to put you on our ballot and Even though you're running as a Republican or as a Democrat.

We'd like to put you on our ballot and

And if we have fusion voting, you get to count our votes with the votes from any other political party that's supporting you.

And in a state like Wisconsin where you have very slim margins, this allows people in the middle to have real agency because right now we have a majority of a minority electing a lot of offices.

And that leads to a lot of anger all by itself.

And fusion voting is a way of ameliorating that problem.

There are other ideas, but this is one that I think has a real opportunity to come to fruition.

And to that end, we have sued the state of Wisconsin to allow us like we

did once upon a time in Wisconsin to be able to do fusion voting.

And I'd just like to say, parenthetically, that's how the Republican Party was born in Ripon, Wisconsin, with Fritz Toilers, Andy Abortion, Grange, political parties came together, joined forces, and elected Abraham Lincoln.

You know, we have other states doing that right now.

Kansas is trying to get back to fusion voting.

Connecticut and New York do it.

But if you want to empower those folks who are not so ideological, I'm not going to call them moderates because there are many people who take centrist views who are very passionate about one thing or another.

And I just want to deal

them in.

You

know,

the fear for bad democracy is more democracy.

Republican Party today very different than when it was created in Ripon, Wisconsin.

I would argue different when you than when you were in office as well, Dale.

Dale Shultz and Dave Mahoney, Republican and Democrat respectively, are the co-chairs of United Wisconsin.

You can find more about fusion voting and the mission of United Wisconsin at unitedwisconsin spelled out dot org.

That's unitedwisconsin.org.

You can catch them Wednesday.

This Wednesday.

September 17th at the Belleville High School Auditorium from six until 7.30 in Belleville talking about the Constitution, about fusion voting on Constitution Day.

I can't think of a better way to celebrate a Constitution Day that you and Dave Mahoney and Dave Dining are in a bipartisan, even nonpartisan fashion talking about solutions and getting out and meeting people.

That's where it's at,

Dale.

couldn't have said it any better and let me just say come on out all of you who are listening right now tell your friends neighbors and even your relatives.

This is good for everybody and we promise we'll have a good time and hopefully we can develop some more plans that we can work on together that will make this.

the special place that I

know it

to be.

Thanks, Dale.

Really appreciate you, State Senator Kelber Royce, on our gubernatorial race next on the Civic Media Network.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Albaugh along Mr. Aaron Zommerz on the board.

It's six minutes past the hour of three o'clock on this Monday, September 15th, 2025.

Welcome into hour number two of the program here from the World Headquarters of Civic Media, downtown Madison on State Street.

Zommerz, not a cloud in the sky, a beautiful fall day.

Very, very blue out there.

I know it is very blue.

It's fantastic.

Looking forward to that.

Many thanks to Dale Schultz for beating the program in hour number one.

Talking about civil discourse, always a good thing.

And looking forward to more of that coming up here in hour number two.

Coming up later this hour, what's worse for you?

Dentist or doctor?

We'll talk about that.

The lesser issues, the lesser serious issues here coming up on on hour two.

I can be talking with St.

Sarah Keldoroy.

So just a couple of minutes here.

But before that, because I'm wearing my October, it's October baseball Milwaukee, understand brewers clenching the national or the spot, a spot in the playoffs, not the central yet.

And but on the week on Saturday, Andrew Monosterio, Mona.

better known as Mona.

And he had a walk off hit in 10 innings.

Brewers were behind six to one and came back, tied it up, went to 10 innings.

It was on Fox Sports National Program.

Here is how they called it on Saturday in Milwaukee.

We're waiting.

There we

go.

How

about that?

What a great end and and Freilich was there because Durbin came across the plate to score the winning run Freilich mobs Durbin they go over they mob Mona.

It was just a great a great time have by all really great post game celebration locker room Kristin Yellowch had what I thought was a fantastic

Tempered speech and we're gonna play that a little bit later on in the show.

So so stay tuned

But right now, I want to turn our attention to matters here in that we rarely have a two-shot.

We rarely have a two-shot.

We have a two-shot today for those watching on the stream.

Our guest here in person, she's been on this program before.

We really appreciate her stopping by today.

It's an exciting day for her.

She is currently the state senator for the 26th Senate District here in Dane County, representing parts of Madison and Middleton.

But today, after much anticipation,

I'm not necessarily as surprised as it leads to this anchor.

She announced her run for Wisconsin governor on the Democratic side, joining us in studio.

None other than State Senator Kelder Roy Senator.

Welcome.

Congratulations.

Thank you, Todd.

So happy to be here with you today.

Well, I appreciate you coming by and doing this in person.

I know you got to have an enormously...

a long day today.

I want to start this out if you want to do it with other candidates.

I want to play about the first minute of your announcement today so people can hear this, we'll come back and discuss it.

So we're playing about the first minute for all the candidates.

Here is Senator Royce's announcement for governor this morning.

Wisconsin, we are in the fight of our lives for our democracy and our kids' future.

But I've been in this fight before.

When Scott Walker attacked Wisconsin workers, I was there.

Now, as extremists attack our freedoms while families struggle to get by, we're fighting back together.

We never contemplated having such a lawless person at the helm of our country.

I'm Calder Royce, and for 25 years, I've been fighting for Wisconsin alongside you and delivering.

In the Assembly, I helped 80,000 Wisconsinites finally get affordable healthcare.

In the Senate, I worked with nurses to pass a bipartisan law repealing outdated regulations and expanding health care options for rural communities.

As a

woman, I

know

what it's like to experience a physical examination, to go to a gynecologist's office.

I know what that's like.

And if you guys want to regulate this in this body, then you can stand here and listen to me speak about it.

I've been protecting our freedoms when others didn't even see the threat coming.

That's leadership.

See the problem, build the coalition, deliver results.

I've done it while raising five kids and running a small business, because when something matters, we find a way.

Now, with everything on the line, Wisconsin needs a governor who's been training for this moment her whole career and who knows how to deliver.

That is State Senator Kela Royce in part of her video announcement this morning.

A great tease there.

If you want to learn more,

see the whole

thing, go to KELDA.

That's Kelda, K-E-L-D-A-4 spelled out, F-O-R-G-O-V.com, keldaforgov.com.

Senator Royce, why are you running for governor?

Todd, it's very simple.

We need two things from our next governor.

This is a challenging moment for Wisconsin, and we absolutely need someone who is going to stand up.

to the way that the Republican regime in Washington is harming Wisconsin families and we have to protect Wisconsin families from the worst brunt of that chaos and corruption and the high costs that they're causing.

But at the same time, it's a moment of real opportunity in our state, and we need a governor who knows how to deliver, whether the legislature is Democratic, Republican, or split.

And I have done that throughout my career for more than 20 years on the issues that matter most to Wisconsinites.

What do you see as you travel around Wisconsin?

You've talked about it on this program.

What are you hearing?

What do you see as the top couple of issues facing Wisconsinites in this run for governor?

Definitely the high cost on the things that matter most to people, healthcare, housing, prescription drugs, utilities, childcare.

Trump ran promising to lower those costs and everything that he's done is making it higher and harder for Wisconsinites.

So we need our governor to prioritize increasing people's wages and reducing the costs on those big ticket items.

Healthcare is right up there as it always is.

public education, which we know has been underfunded for decades in our state and our schools really can't do it anymore.

We have to take some of the burden off our property taxpayers and help make sure that teachers and kids are prepared to succeed in the classroom.

hate to ask this question gonna do it because we've talked about on this show and it's unfortunately it's pertinent once again you've been on here before we had political violence in minnesota you said it gave you pause uh thinking of your own safety that your family we heard from my former boss state senator dale schultz and said he thinks more of the reasons that elected officials are so scared

is that they're not getting out and meeting their constituents.

And enough, you're someone who has been out there.

Did your safety, did your family's safety in light of what's happened recently play into your decision?

And how do you feel about that today?

Certainly it is something that is on my mind.

And it has been on my mind for over 20 years because I was, I had just taken the helm at Narrell Pro Choice, Wisconsin when I got my first death threat.

I think I was 24 years old.

And.

It really underscored for me the fact that some people are really willing to commit violence to show you how much they disagree with you.

And it is something that has become more and more prevalent in recent years.

But I think I cannot stop speaking out on the things that matter.

And I think all of us as Americans have a responsibility to say, listen.

We get to disagree in this country.

That is okay.

But we do not get to use violence to solve our disputes.

And when you look at the rhetoric and the actions of this president, he's essentially giving a permission slip to his constituents to attack people with whom they disagree.

He pardoned the January 6th writers.

pardoned people who are serving time in prison for attacking reproductive health clinics, right?

I don't know what that is, if not a permission slip to violent actors.

Amira, you and anyone else who gets in an elected office today, thank you for doing that and keeping the civil discourse going.

crowded field.

David Crowley was on this program last week.

Mayor Kevlar Johnson in Milwaukee has endorsed him.

You've got yourself out there now.

Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez is out there.

That's just on the Democratic side.

How do you differentiate in this primary that's getting more and more crowded and win this primary before going to the general?

Well, I think it's really important to show that I can appeal to Wisconsinites in every corner of the state.

And I have spent my whole career, not just my time in the Senate and on the finance committee, really deeply listening to people in every part of Wisconsin, traveling to the state, meeting with them face to face in small groups and enlarge and hearing their concerns and then taking them back and turning them into real policy and getting it done.

And often it takes years to do that, right?

Building that coalition, especially across partisan lines.

But that's my specialty.

And that's what we need in our next governor, somebody who has that track record of getting things done.

You've run for governor once before in 2018.

I have my own feelings, but I want you to tell your own words.

What's different about this run for governor versus your run in 2018?

Well, I think the world is totally different than it was in 2018.

I mean, obviously in that race, if you want to sort of get into the horse race aspect, Governor Evers had a huge head start and deservedly so because he was a very popular three-time statewide elected official as state superintendent.

And at that time I had been

out of politics for six years.

I had been in the assembly for two terms, but then was running my small business and having my kids.

And yet still I was able to build a really, I think exciting movement around the state, finished in the top tier and kind of built that out of nothing.

Now I have an incredible infrastructure of support.

all over the state.

I mean, I've told you it's off the air as well.

I think you've grown as a candidate, grown as a legislator, and the fact that you have been one of those people that's out there listening to people, I think it makes you a stronger candidate this time around.

But I want to give you time on this, because this is your time announcing your run for governor at State Senator Kelder Royce joining us here live in the studio.

What have I not asked you?

As you hit the road, what are you going to get the message from Superior to Green Bay to Richland Center to Milwaukee to Madison to Monroe?

What are you telling people?

I think people out there are feeling really frustrated and, in some sense, hopeless, right?

Powerless.

Because we see things happening in our country that we never wanted to see.

And it's scary and it can be exhausting.

And sometimes you just want to turn off the news and look away.

I get that.

But...

What I am hearing from people is they want something more, and they know that we can recapture some of that progressive, innovative spirit that helped make Wisconsin such a great place to live for our parents' generation.

They want that, and we can build that here.

No matter who you are or where you're from, as your governor, I am gonna help you and your family thrive.

As you look, I wanna be respectful of the time.

A couple of minutes left here before I gotta let you go, but healthcare in particular, you've worked with women's healthcare, reproductive rights,

And we look up at the Chippewa Valley in terms of hospitals shutting down

there.

We see less access potentially what's happening to Washington.

What specifically, if you were governor, if you were sitting in that chair, what would you do for Wisconsinites to help on health care?

Well, number one, I would make sure that.

those who are suffering the effects of those hospital closures actually get the funds that they need.

We have got to support our rural providers, critical access providers, and those in urban and underserved communities, right?

That's one thing we have in common.

But we also have to make many more investments in mental health care and behavioral health because we've got to stop the opioid epidemic, and that's the best way to help people thrive.

You know, it's going to be a tough couple of years for Wisconsinites as hundreds of thousands lose their health care coverage, thanks to the Republicans bill.

And we need a governor who's going to prioritize that

can you do you have your time in the legislature now?

Is there a way if you were governor kelderoyce that you can reach across I know you want Democratic Majority's the legislature, but let's say at least one house is still Republican Can

it still be done?

Absolutely, and you know my career shows that Todd because Most of the accomplishments I've had have been done.

Well either there's total Republican control of the legislature or one house has been Republican and even though I'm a Democrat

I have always worked across the aisle to build Republican support for my policies and to compromise where it's needed, because that's the state we live in, and that's what our constituents expect and

deserve.

to the Civic Media's title of the show, the Civic Media Ready

Network.

working as 22 past the hour of three o'clock.

Well, how about that?

On Monday, September 15th, 2025, many thanks to former, uh, for, for, well, to my former boss, State Senator Jill Schulz, the hour number one, but, uh, for current State Senator, Kelle Royce, Democrat, stopping by the studio in her announcement today that she is running for governor of the state of Wisconsin.

Appreciate her time.

I appreciate your staff's time.

It takes time.

When you do these things, I know I've been on that side of it to coordinate everything, and it's not a small thing to get around to media.

So I really appreciate them taking this time.

Look, I think the Democrats have a lot of good candidates coming out here now.

I think there's a lot of great choices.

I like Lieutenant Governor Sara Rodriguez.

I think she has a lot of unique from her background to being a statewide elected official to her common sense approach.

I like that.

I think David Crowley being a county executive of Milwaukee County, the state's largest municipality, getting the endorsement from Mayor Cavalier Johnson and his experience and he spent time in the legislature.

I think that's great.

I think that states are Calder Royce having done this once before running for governor.

And I really do think that she has grown as a legislator in her time in office.

She's held true to her beliefs, but she's done a great job of maturing in a way where she listened to the other voices and remains curious and has traveled the state.

She's come out to where I was from originally, Southwest Wisconsin, talking about two-year colleges out there.

So I think the Democrats have some great choices, maybe more to come, although I like this field.

I kind of like the field where it's at.

I'm fearful if it gets too depleted in terms or too diluted with too many candidates, that's just going to split the vote.

I don't know.

But I haven't got it.

I haven't got a horse in the race.

I'm not I'm not choosing sides in the Democratic primary.

I wish them all well and But many thanks to a state's air kelda race for coming on again kelda for f or kelda for Gov.com is where you can watch that entire announcement and have Have more information there.

All right 25 minutes past the hour of three o'clock time once again for what's worse.

Let's go

Here

we go.

It's that time.

I want the people, I mean, the annual, I am my annual physical a couple of three weeks ago.

Kind of the the sports physicals for high school kids is over.

Well, unless I guess you got kids going into winter sports that's still to come Also the time of year maybe when you're gonna get some dental work done So as we say Mike Lucas says timely timely indeed the category today what's worse Dentist or doctor Dentist or doctor

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What's worse dentist or doctor?

By the way, Zomers, you watch any of the Emmy Awards last night?

I did not.

We'll talk more about that.

Maybe an hour in the second half hour here.

I watched the most of the Emmys last night.

Nate Borghetsi was the was the host and he's mixed reviews at best.

Really?

I'll talk a little bit more about this later.

It was kind of a Interesting shtick to start the show off But it kind of didn't go real well I don't think it was it was I'll tell you the brief part of it was he because a lot of these people they go too long on their Acceptance speeches and so they try to shorten them to 45 seconds and so Brigetti starts off by saying hey I've got a couple of kids here from the boys and girls club great organization by the way I'm donating a hundred thousand dollars to the

to the Boys and Girls Club of America.

But for every second that a celebrity goes over your 45-second acceptance speech, I'm going to deduct $1,000.

That's pretty funny.

It was funny at first.

But he didn't let up.

And then people worked all their lives when they're up there.

And while they're giving their acceptance speech on some of them, they put a tally clock up on the screen saying how much money they took away.

It kind of, it kind of got old after a short time.

So we'll talk more about that later.

Uh, what's worse, dentists or doctors, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

And by the way, we're not calling out like this, the specific people.

I love all dentists and die.

Anybody in healthcare is a hero to me, but the experience going to the dentist.

Going to the doctor, uh, Charles in Milwaukee, listening to on W. A. U. K. Says they both are horrible because they take all your money.

Well, that's true, Charles.

Right.

I mean, it's not necessarily the doctor or the devil.

Right.

I mean, that's, uh, that's a larger, that's a hard, uh, large kettle of fish, as they say, right?

Why, why things are so expensive.

But yes, they, if you're paying for it out of your own pocket or you don't have great health insurance, well, yeah, PJ.

Watch on YouTube says, I will say the dentist, going to the dentist is worse, because it's more expensive.

Is it?

I mean, I think it, well, it depends, like if you're going to get a root canal and a crown, versus getting your teeth cleaned.

That also

surprises me.

I mean, I guess it depends what health conditions people have.

I mean, I've told this story before.

I had to go in, this is several, I mean, this is like what we think now.

This is probably like circa 2021.

I had to go in and just for medication.

I go into the doctor to get it.

Doctor never touched me.

$407 just to go in for 10 minutes, because I never insurance at the time.

All right, come on back.

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We'll wrap that up and more on the other side.

Farm News is next with Pam Yankee on the Civic Media Network.

Wherever it may lead and having fun doing it welcome back the tunnel ball show on the civic media we're glad to have you along 35 past the hour of 3 o'clock on Monday September 15th glad to have you long summers on the board right in the middle of today's What's worse?

We'll talk Emmys before we get out of here also Have a cup a great cut

from Christian Yelich, basically the leader of the Milwaukee Brewers as they clinched a playoff spot this weekend, gave a great speech.

Gonna let you hear that courtesy of Mike Clemens here coming up.

And also a little bit of a 10-year-old who puts things in perspective, and we'll hear from Stephen Colbert before we get out of here, but right now, dentist going to the dentist or going to the doctor, what's worse?

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Paul in Spooner, listening on WBZH, says, I have been taken from my dentist's office and my doctor's office, each by ambulance.

Fainting and seizures is my specialty.

I hate going to both of them.

I would too if I had gone through that.

Wow, that's, I've heard of that before.

You know, going to the dentist and it's not the dentist's fault, it's just, you know, you have a condition where you might get a lot of anxiety

or epilepsy and you got the light

shining right in your eyes.

Right, adverse medication, but yeah, that's, heart goes out to you, Paul.

That's a tough one there.

Also, shout out, by the way, to Dave in New Berlin.

for listening in via the stream.

He helped us out.

Zommer's always great.

Saying there's a lot of doctor's songs.

I said, what's that one?

This doctor, doctor.

And Robert Palmer is the artist.

David New Berlin gave us that one.

So thank you very much, Dave, for playing today's edition of Music Trivia on the stream on the town hall show.

Well, Megan in Sun Prairie listening on WMDX says the doctor is typically worse.

I have had doctors that don't seem to be paying full attention and just want to usher in the next patient.

My questions don't always get answered.

Never had a dentist do that to me.

Megan, now this is a great point.

And I'm not, I have no pain endorsements here, but my doctor at University of Health in Madison now, Dr. Dombach, great guy.

And really, I talked about this a couple, three weeks ago after I had my physical, my annual physical, listens to you.

doesn't rush you out.

And he said that he consciously has changed how he practices medicine to do a better job at that.

So really appreciate anybody, but particularly those in healthcare that say, wait, I got to do a better job at my patients.

Yeah.

Being aware of a systematic issue and working to fix it, can't ask for more than

that.

Oh, absolutely.

And we've talked to before about my great dentist at first choice dental, Dr. Rob.

So he's fantastic as well.

Um, uh, well, yeah, Henry listening in on Madison, the WM DX says going to the dentist is worse.

My last visit, I was told I needed a crown, but first I needed a root canal $4,000.

Thank you, sir.

May I have another?

It adds up.

I mean, we're fortunate to have kind of basic dental service here and very thankful for that.

But I've been in the position, like I said before, where I didn't have.

Dental insurance and really didn't have health insurance

or certain things dental insurance won't cover like some of my friends have gotten Invisalign, you know instead

of getting

braces as an adult because the dentists looked at it and they're like, okay, your teeth are fine now But it's not going so well in the future.

This will cost you a lot of money and cause you a lot more problems But it's not strictly necessary so his insurance won't pay for it.

So

he's pretty much out of pocket for Invisalign.

It's really expensive and he's like well, it's gonna

be more painful and cost more if I don't do it in the

future.

I'm watching on YouTube.

First one, he said, the last time I went to the dentist, I spent over eight grand on my teeth just to get my teeth restored.

And he follows it up with saying, a colonoscopy isn't that bad.

I had mine done last year.

And I think it's a great reminder in all seriousness.

Look, if you have a history of colon cancer or things like that in your family, gotta have that done.

My doctor is having me do the old Kola guard, poop in a bag and send it in type of thing.

But

you know what?

Hey, you gotta find out.

Less uncomfortable, for sure.

Now, you're saying you don't hear this very often.

You said over the break you want to colonoscopy?

Yeah, I've kind of wanted one for years.

I know that's not something.

I'm not laughing at you.

I know, it's very funny.

You don't hear

that very often.

Exactly.

But it's because my digestive system is very messed up.

I just want, instead of all the guesswork that happens, like when you're a young person with digestive issues and you go into the GI doctor, they're like,

Oh, you tried this.

We'll try this.

We'll

try that.

We'll try this.

We'll

try this.

It could be this.

It could be that.

It could be this.

I just want him to look and figure it out and be done with it.

So there you

go.

So for zomers, maybe what's worse is not having a colonoscopy.

I've heard, like I said, I've never had it, but I've heard that it really isn't that.

It's kind of like getting your wisdom teeth out.

People have told me where you go in, they kind of put you under it, put you

at

the date you slightly.

And then when you wake up, it's just, you don't really remember anything.

So.

Get that done, folks.

No seriousness.

Don't mess around with your health.

Jenny, our very own Jenny Brand is on brand on YouTube, says the doctor because it's worse, she says, because far too many times I don't feel very heard and my concerns are overlooked.

At least I walk out of the dentist's office with the work done.

Well, I've heard that a couple of times today.

Thanks, Jenny.

Appreciate that.

But I think that's a good reminder.

Like I said, my doctor, Dr. Donald Bach at UW Health said specifically that he, I don't know if it was a class or a seminar or what he does now.

And he asks you before you do it.

He has a special software program where he says, okay, if I record our visit.

Yeah, that's becoming common.

And so he starts that off on the phone.

So everything we talk about is recorded.

And then I suppose it's all voice tracked.

And so the computer then summarizes that, and it goes to my file so that he can then reflect on that in future visits.

So we can go back and say, we talked about this and this, or at the end of the, and then at the end of my visit, my physical, he reviewed it.

Not necessarily, it wasn't from the recording, but just said, okay, we talked about this, we talked about this, we talked about that.

Here's what we're going to do.

Is there anything else that was on your mind?

Yeah, that's one of the really constructive uses of AI, is

to

listen to your conversation and summarize it so that your doctor can use it and refer back.

Alley listening in Madison WM.

That's the same one.

Oh, sorry, we already did that one.

All right, very good.

I'm sorry, thank you.

Yeah.

Dentist is the worst, less a colonoscopy.

Get it.

Get it.

Nobody wants to necessarily talk about it, but unless you're Summers.

No.

But it's important stuff.

Don't mess around with that because too many and younger people are being diagnosed with colon cancer because they ignore the warning signs and don't go in and have these tests done.

If you're able and they're available, especially if you have health insurance or Obamacare, go in and get this done and have those tough conversations with your healthcare professional.

I know it's uncomfortable, but they're, you know, they're sworn

to secrecy.

Well, go in and get it done.

if you have, you know, reason to.

Well, yeah.

Or are at the age where they recommend it.

Correct.

Terry, our very own Terry Barr, watch on YouTube, says, dentists frighten me.

Really?

Really, Terry?

They frighten you?

Like the person themselves or the experience of going to a dentist?

Because I love going to my dentist.

I don't know, I just, they're very friendly.

Like, do you feel better after I'm done?

So.

I don't know.

Oh, great.

That was a great rendition, a great addition.

Well, we didn't give our answers.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Thomas, what's worse, dentist or doctor?

I think I'm going to have to say doctor.

I like the doctors that I have found some like a couple of specialists and a GP that I really like and, you know, are attentive and listen.

But as others have said, especially for women and as somebody with three sisters, I've seen this happen a lot.

They'll bring up something that's wrong and then the doctor will be like oh, it's cuz you're a woman or you're anxious

It's not

real and they won't listen

and this is

this problem is getting better But it still is a real issue and it can be so much harder to find what's wrong when you're considering your entire body for the dentist you go in and They look at what's wrong and tell you right and most of the time they can just see it

And it's one part of your body.

So for me, it's just simpler.

And I like that.

I get

that.

I appreciate that.

Like I said, I don't mind going for both.

I'm thankful that I have health insurance right now, that I can go see both and not have it cost me an arm and a leg.

I would say, I guess, if I had to choose one, the experience of the doctor is worse.

no offense to any of my physicians, but usually I don't go to the doctor unless I'm truly sick, unless it's for a checkup, where a dentist is a lot more preventative care, cleaning that type of stuff.

So I don't always have a quote unquote problem when I go see the dentist more often than not.

I have a problem before going to the doctor.

So all right great edition of what's worse more tomorrow in the three o'clock hour on our what's worse edition I want to get to this is 45 minutes past the hour or quarter is either 45 past three or quarter to four whichever you prefer I want to get to this Christian yellow Brewers clinched a playoff spot.

That's my October baseball shirt over the weekend Their magic number now to win the National League Central down to eight

To get the number one seed and the overall number one seed of major league baseball.

It's 11 postseason buy is six So eight gets you the L central the important next step Kristen Yellich on Saturday after the Brewers clinched a playoff spot They gave a champagne toast.

It was not one of the big shake all the bottles everybody gets wet It was just a simple toast after the game after they got that big

Comeback win nine to eight over St.

Louis and Christian Yellow step forward and gave this toast to the team from Saturday night.

You should never take the postseason for granted.

You know, people play their entire careers and never get to experience it.

We've been fortunate here.

You know, guys have been here for a while.

We've got to experience it a lot.

We haven't accomplished what we want to accomplish, but there's something to be said for being on a postseason team, playing winning baseball.

guys that are doing it for the first time, they realize how hard that is, how much the commitment you have to make to yourself and each other, right?

To mentally prepare and physically prepare to go out there and put it on the line every night.

And the cool thing about these celebrations, and hopefully we have a bigger one than just this tonight, is you remember that for the rest of your life, right?

You should enjoy it and you should take it in.

But it's not the end, right?

Like this team is worth, we're this kind of team because

of how much we care for each other and how we play for each other and how good our friends we are.

And we have the opportunity to be friends for life, right?

We go and do this whole thing and go where we want to go.

Everybody in this room is friends for life, and that starts with the belief.

You speak into existence, you see it, you visualize it, you believe that we can do it.

We're playing with house money, right?

Like Merch said, nobody thought we could do this.

Nobody expected us to be here.

Everybody thought we were going to have a losing record.

Look at us

now.

that is Christian Yelich, the de facto captain of the Milwaukee Brewers baseball team after they clinched a playoff spot on Saturday, plus got that comfort behind big wins Saturday night, nine to eight, the crew did over St.

Louis.

And Zomers, I just, when I listen, I mean, to watch it and to listen to it as well, that's the real deal.

I mean, there's some acting going on in my opinion.

These guys truly care about each other.

and they're motivated for all the right reasons.

Yeah, it's remarkable watching a team with such humility and dedication, and they're just all walked in all the time, all for one, one for all.

Yeah, really, really great.

They're off today.

The Brewers are back in action at Amfam Field on Tuesday, tomorrow night.

Pre-game show at 6.05, first pitch just after 6.35.

You can listen in Richland Center, Oshkosh, and in Hayward on the Brewers radio network.

Who sang me a goodbye?

I have my own version of the Family Von Trap.

We'll play it for you.

Not going to want to miss it after this on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Welcome back to the title ball show on the civic media already at work.

Glad to have you along.

Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board at eight minutes before the hour of four o'clock on the top of the hour, ABC or CBS News, depending upon which of our great stations you're listening to a check of weather by Brittany Merleau.

Fabulous.

That's what the weather is.

Fabulous fall day here in the state of Wisconsin.

Going to be nice in the eighties until later on in the week.

little rain coming into the forecast, things cooling down, but all in all pretty nice.

Mike Clemenson with Sports Brewers, as we said, are off today back in action against the Los Angeles Angels at six o'clock for the pregame show of the Brewers Ready Network.

Tomorrow played that cut from Christian Yelich after they clinched the postseason last segment.

Our old friend, my former Methodist, United Methodist pastor, Sarah Cheney.

Sarah Joe Cheney, thank you very much Watching this down to Facebook in the great state of Missouri or if you're from there, Missouri She writes as a DNA Cardinals fan.

You're welcome.

It's the Brewer's year.

Enjoy great speech by yellow.

It's all true She's she's a hundred when she says DNA like it's in her.

I don't remember exact years.

She came to a peace church

It was two or three years after the Brewers, the Cardinals beat the Brewers, the World Series in 82.

And from the pulpit on one of her first speeches, she was bragging about the fact that she was a Cardinals fan.

It did not sit real well.

And you start to wonder about somebody like that.

Turned out she was fantastic about everything else.

So that's big for Sarah to congratulate Brewers fans.

So I appreciate that, Sarah.

She does know I became a Packers fan, too.

That is true.

I'm not sure if that was before, after the football Cardinals left St.

Louis.

But she let's just give her the benefit of the doubt.

She did become a Packers fan as well.

All right, let's get this in quick Emmy Awards last night.

Biggest applause of the evening.

When Stephen Colbert came out, they could do a presentation at the beginning and then...

won the award for best talk show because he's never won before.

And CBS canceled the show earlier this year.

Gonna be done in May.

And when they announced that Colbert won the room, erupted.

Here was Stephen Colbert's acceptance speech after winning the Emmy last night.

Sometimes you only truly know how much you love something when you get a sense that you might be losing it.

And 10 years later in September of 2025, my friends, I have never loved my country more desperately.

God bless America.

Stay strong.

Be brave.

And if the elevator tries to bring you down, go crazy and punch a higher floor.

I love that.

Well, the elevator tries to bring you down, go crazy and punch a higher floor.

The ultimate optimist.

Really love that about Stephen Colbert.

Congratulations.

We got time to think for the, uh, the 10 year old cut.

This is, this is one of those.

There's some music behind it.

Cause one of those I found on Instagram and I apologize.

I don't know who the kid is.

He, what.

Here's the setup.

He went to an event in Los Angeles for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and I'm sorry I don't know all the Dodgers.

It was one of the famous Dodgers that's sitting there on a meet and greet.

Clayton

Kershaw.

Thank you, Zomers.

Clayton Kershaw, famous Dodger.

And this 10-year-old boy has the husba to go forward, go to the microphone in front of everybody.

and says the following, and what he does here, and Ken Shaw, right?

His response is... Kershaw.

Thank you.

Kershaw's response was fantastic.

Here is a meet and greet with a 10-year-old boy and the Los Angeles Dodgers.

I want to tell you a quick little story.

Okay.

So...

My grandpa loved you.

He watched the 1988 series and he wanted to meet you and Vince Scully one day.

So this moment is important to me because I'm meeting you for him.

He was from Modondo Beach a little while ago.

A few years some years ago he died from brain cancer.

Oh my gosh.

Come

here dude.

It's great to meet you.

Thanks for telling me.

That took a lot of courage to tell me that.

So I appreciate that.

It's great to meet you.

Hearing that sound like an awesome guy.

Yeah?

Okay.

Thanks for coming up.

That took a lot of courage man.

That was awesome.

Thanks buddy.

Thank you for your time.

Absolutely.

Thanks for coming.

Alright.

Is there a, do you have a parent here or

anything?