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Well, great to be here with you.

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Yeah, I mean, on a Zomber as I are going to be here as well tonight, help us bring that, that kicks off at six o'clock, right?

Yeah, yeah.

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So looking forward to more coverage of Governor Tim Walls in Madison tonight and hearing that.

speech and others,

right?

And others, yeah.

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Cause like you're here for the whole hour.

We will talk a little sports this hour, but Dan, no better time to have someone help us recombobulate on.

on what's been just a tough week in many ways, a confusing week, and now there's kind of new layers today.

I want to do a couple of things before this hour.

And I do want to touch on on state news number one.

And thanks for your help in in booking this Milwaukee County.

Executive David Crowley was here earlier

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So I want to talk about his entry and what that means politically in the Democratic primary for governor.

And I also want to get to the flooding assistance.

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higher delegation from the congressional delegation from Wisconsin.

There are some concerns being raised by some flood victims in Milwaukee.

Is this going to be enough to help folks recover?

So I want to talk a little bit about that and any other state news that you think is pertinent.

But the big story today continues to be the aftermath.

of the assassination of a conservative commentator and founder of turning point USA Charlie Kirk out in Utah earlier and this morning and I watched the entire special report from Utah.

Cash Patel FBI Director Bon Gino, his assistant, flew out there, but the real news was made by Governor Cox, the Utah governor, and his law enforcement that announced that a new suspect has under arrest, has now been charged with murder in Utah, and we're learning more and more about this 22-year-old in Utah who is accused, alleged now, of carrying out the attack thus far.

They're saying alone, nobody else is involved at this point.

But I think it's good to talk through this, Dan, in calm tones and remind people this is still a fluid situation.

We're going to share what we know at this hour.

We're going to tell you where that came from.

And then we're going to give, I hope, your analysis as well, Dan, what this means for the political conversation moving forward.

Yeah, it's been a discombobulating week,

hasn't it?

I mean,

yeah, and I think the assassination was such an awful incident, and I think there's been so many emotions from so many people over the course of the week, and I'm obviously very glad that they have apprehended the shooter.

seemed to take a while, but I'm glad that they found a resolution there.

And we're learning more about this.

But it also feels like, you know, we're in this 24 hour news environment, I feel like we've gone through a handful of news cycles in between the time of the actual shooting and knowing who the person is and what his motives might have been in the shooting.

And I think

There have been some not great things that people have said in the wake of this.

There have been some important and inspiring things that people have said to try to take down the temperature.

And I think we should be lifting up those folks who have been wanting to...

approach this in a calm and rational and measured way where we are talking about, you know, the incident itself, the larger political culture that has, you know,

ramped up led to an escalation of political violence that we've seen in this country in the past few years.

And I think we could get on here and talk about, oh, he said that, and she said this, and all of these different things that people have said that are causing greater strife in this moment of crisis here.

But I think we should lift up some of those who have been doing the right thing and saying that we need to come together.

We need to take down the temperature.

We need to have

human conversations about this.

And we published a piece at the Reconpopulation Area today from Emily Cephos, one of our contributors.

She's also the chair of the Out of Gaming County Democrats.

The headline on that piece is, we have to say enough and have the courage to mean it.

And I would encourage people to check out that piece.

It's an important reflection, I think, on what we've been seeing the past few days here.

You can find that work and all the other work at thereconpopulationarea.new.

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Let's tell you the facts as we have them at this hour according to CNN and other news sources as well.

A shooting suspect is in custody.

The suspect in the killing of Charlie Kirk has been identified as Tyler Robinson and is being held without bail in the Utah jail on several charges, including aggravated murder, according to officials.

He is not talking to investigators, according to sources.

Last night, one of Robinson's family members reached out to a family friend who then contacted authorities, according to Utah Governor Spencer Cox, a family member told

investigators, Robinson spoke negatively about Kirk before the shooting.

The governor said the investigators discovered a bolt-action rifle wrapped in a towel and had inscriptions, including ones that read, quote, hey, fascist, catch, unquote, were engraved on casings found on that rifle according to officials.

I want to step away now from the actual CNN.

That's just the quick overview.

and give you and I've spent all morning, Dan, I'm sure you've done this things as well.

I mean, I spent all morning after the press conference listening to multiple news sources, doing research online and what a couple of things that strike me.

Number one, what I follow things like a media item and.

other news sources that aren't, you wouldn't, they're not CNN, they're not MSNBC, they're not broadcast news sources.

They're more online, but neither are they, they're not rumor mills.

They're what they are run by actual journalists.

And what we're seeing on there that slowly, I'm just struck by how slowly what would be considered mainstream broadcast media is talking about this, but slowly we're finding out a few things.

One,

the person who allegedly turned in this guy was his dad.

Number two, the dad reached out to their youth minister at their church, who then helped contact authorities to have them come get this guy.

For just to give you the down and dirty, this is a 22-year-old white male, a two-parent mom and dad family.

I believe there are two other brothers in this family.

By all of their and people are a lot more talented than me that some of these jealous people I mentioned online They know how to go and find the social medias and track down people's Facebook pages and Twitter accounts and they compile all this online Because you know so many people particularly at that age now live online and we find out this is a pro Trump family a Republican family

This kid was allegedly, I could say 22 kid, but was very bright, got a scholarship to this Utah University where the shooting happened.

Only spent a year there before dropping out.

They're a pro gun family, several photos of them wearing pro NRA hats.

Dan, in short, they don't fit the narrative that we've heard from MAGA for the last 36 hours that was counter to that.

No, but I but I I also wonder how much that matters right now.

I think it matters a lot

Well, I think in terms of I think it matters a whole lot into all of the details on all of this matter

What I'm wondering about matters, and I think, you know, Emily touched on this in the piece that she wrote at the Reconpopulation area, is people are going online and talking, kind of like tallying points in this online game.

And she's just like, oh, it wasn't one of our guys.

Now it's, it changes the things.

And I think that's, that's a frustrating way to approach it, I think, to a certain extent too.

A gentleman is dead.

His family is grieving.

That's first of foremost an atrocity.

But I also think there's a political fallout to this is important.

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I wanna get your take on this before, here's why I think it matters, sussing out the truth on who this suspect is, who may have committed this.

Because for the last 36 hours, and I'm only gonna play one cut, somebody like Derek Van Orton in Wisconsin has been, I think he has done almost 190 some tweets in the last 24 hours, attacking people on the left.

And now it turns out that if the police evidence that we're is coming out now is accurate, it is not anybody on the left.

It is, in fact, one of the mega subculture people.

And I think it matters because here's a great article in Time Magazine headline, the killing of Charlie Kirk of the political violence haunting America by Eric Corticella.

Here's the last line, Dan.

Quote, Kirk's sudden political public death risks joining that chain.

His killing could become not just a tragedy, but a catalyst, an event that radicalizes ever more Americans, less an aberration than the feature of increasingly perilous national politics.

Unquote that from time.

I think it matters because if people lay blame without fact, this, this is like a tinder box.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

That is a real problem when people are jumping to those kinds of conclusions and blaming certain groups or whatever.

And I think President Trump's statement the other night where he was calling out to the left, I thought that was irresponsible.

And I think there have been some irresponsible comments coming from people on the left

over the

course of the week, too.

Do I think there are more generally in our political environment coming from the right?

I do, but I don't think we can pretend that it's only coming from the right as well.

So I think that is something to consider.

But I also think this example, and there are so many others that we've seen lately about people getting radicalized online in certain subcultures, whether they are spreading from the MAGA universe or whatever it might be.

There was also this week, there was the school shooting that happened in Colorado.

There was news today.

that this 16-year-old who was accused of shooting two of his classmates embraced conspiratorial anti-Semitic and white cement.

white supremacist social media content.

And so this, this is just such a widespread problem in our country, in our political culture, in our online spaces that so many of us reside in for probably too much of our days.

And we're going to come back on the other side as well, because there's a great, I don't agree with every single thing that he said, but Governor Spencer Cox of Utah had a great quote, a great, a great moment, I thought, where he warned people, take a breath.

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All right, Dan, last to get to, let's try to get through as much as we can here, talking about the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination.

You've said it, I've said it, this network has said it.

We call out any violence, particularly political violence of any kind, of any sort.

It doesn't belong, it's repugnant, full stop.

That's the first

thing.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I just want to make sure we get that on the record.

And we can always have conversations, and we have conversations here on the Civic Media Network, and we can disagree from time to time, and we can disagree without being disagreeable and without it turning to anything violent.

Yeah, absolutely.

So the news this morning from Utah, Cash Patel, FBI Director, and others were there along with the governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, announcing that a new person, they believe it is the killer, the alleged killer, is

in custody, a 22-year-old white male from a Republican family, his dad, a 27-year law enforcement, a former sheriff.

What happened, apparently, is the dad recognized his son in the photos.

He called their youth ministers, so they are Mormon, Christian, Mormon family.

The youth minister said,

You have to do the right thing.

The family and the youth minister turned this kid in.

He was taken into custody and has now been charged with murder.

From all sorts of online social media accounts, they are pro-gun.

They are pro-Trump.

They are pro-NRA.

And so a narrative that somehow this was someone that was from the left is apparently, seemingly from what we know at this hour, simply not true.

Dan, I want to get into the weeds just for a couple of minutes here, because I think this is really important to pass on to our listeners, because again, I'm seeing this on online legit media, but not so much on broadcast.

And I've probably a whole nother bottle of wine.

My feelings are that today's broadcasters are being suppressed because they're fearful of Trump's FCC and their licenses.

Agree or disagree with that?

I mean, it has to be, I don't know if suppressed, but it's a.

a point of consideration, I think.

Certainly.

Yeah, that's another discussion.

But what I'm seeing on online legitimate media, not because it's like media ight and other social media, legit journalists, semaphore, is that, and some people say, well, why did this guy do it?

How would a pro-Trump person kill allegedly Charlie Kirk?

Here is what's being alleged at this hour, that this 22-year-old alleged shooter is something known as a griper.

Alright, people said what the heck is a griper?

I'm gonna read you the definition.

A griper, sometimes called the griper army, are a group of alt-right white nationalists and Christian nationalist activists led by Nick Fuentes.

Members of the groups have attempted to introduce alt-right policies into mainstream conservatism in the United States and participated in the January 6 attacks on the US Capitol and the protests leading up to it.

They have targeted other conservative groups and individuals whose agendas they view as too moderate and insufficiently

nationalist.

The Grapper movement has been described as a white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, anti-Semitic, and an attempt to rebrand the declining alt-right movement.

That's an online, that's a dictionary description of this, Dan.

What's interesting, I think, for our listeners as well, is people have gone to, as you're not familiar,

Twitter now owned by Elon Musk.

It goes by X. There's an AI platform, Grock, where you type in, it's an AI thing like chat GPT only for X. And people have gone to this and they put in the information, even Elon Musk's X, Grock AI, is confirming according to its AI brain that this kid fits a griper.

And this is the far, far right extremism of MAGA today.

And it's concerning I think this I think you've seen examples of you know the fact that I mean I think we think of Donald Trump and his movement as you know being pretty far to the right we I think There are we can't forget that there are those even further even more dangerous and

I think this is it just speaks to a culture that exists in online spaces right now is that has kind of gotten out of control.

And I do wonder if, you know, you know, like the new leadership at the FBI and what have you, are they focusing on this,

right?

Are they

focusing on online extremism and the dangers that that poses?

You know, I think we all have to we all have to be mindful of, you know, the fact that this stuff is out there, right?

I totally agree.

And again, we could do a whole hour on this.

And I'm still folks, I spent all morning after the press conference this morning going to legitimate sources, diving deep.

Here's what I can tell you, maybe Zomers, if you want to jump in because you're more of this generation.

And I think Dan, this is, you know, I'm a Gen Xer, you're a millennial.

I mean, I look at...

the baby boomer age, I'm like, well, I'm not really that old.

And I say, well, okay, I'm getting there.

And then I look at you and I think, well, you're pretty hip and into the things.

And I'm feeling pretty old these days too.

And then you gotta go to Zommer as a 25 year old.

I'm 26.

I'm sorry.

And so here's why I caution people, as you're watching the information, if you're intaking your consuming information this weekend, because people are focusing on what was written allegedly.

on the bullet casings.

And they're saying, well, that means that it was transgender and furries, which I don't want to go down the rabbit hole on that, but that's a small sect of people who dress up in costumes basically for cosplay.

But if you go to this, apparently what I'm seeing is there's a multiplayer online internet game called Hell Divers.

So these things like bell cello or bell, whatever, I can't, I don't know a Spanish or an Italian bell, a cow or bell, how does it sound?

Yeah, bell, a child.

And, and allegedly it was part of a World War II anti fascism, Nazi song, but that's been co-opted by these Gen Z years in this online game or whatever you want to call it, hell divers.

to mean something different.

So just know, everybody, as you consume your information and people my age, 55, Dan's age, mid 30s, we don't know what we're talking about.

You've got to go down to the vernacular of kids using this online.

Zomers, yes or no?

Yeah.

And one of the key things to note about groipers and similar, like ultra, alt, right, um, you know, ideologies.

And I will say.

groups that try to groom young people to commit violent acts is that one of their specific goals is to confuse and troll people and so they will use self-contradicting political rhetoric to make it hard to figure out what's going on while they shoot for their quote-unquote high score and try to kill more people.

So, I mean, and I'm not here Dan to say, oh, all online gaming is bad or whatever, but I heard someone else and I give them credit.

I just watched almost this morning.

Can't remember.

What are the pundits this morning on TV?

So this gets to, and I think they're a mental health person, and we've had Kira Sabo in this program and others.

There is an epidemic in this country, Dan, of loneliness, particularly

among single males.

And this is driving them to online platforms where people that might be already open to mental health issues, they find what we would consider a sick kind of community that warps their mind.

Right.

And I think it's such a problem.

And I don't really know what we do about it, right?

And it's just like, you know, you don't want to censor places, but also like this is

dangerous ideology that people should not have no place with like and then there's also like kind of the element and just in the way you're describing this too is just like there's these layers of insanity and it's just like how do you even make sense of what actually this is as just like a regular person going about your life like i'm pretty dialed into politics in my day-to-day life like obviously i'm the political editor here at civic media i run my own uh you know opinion column and online publication i don't understand half of this and like if

you know, just some regular person who's just working their job and going about their life.

And they're going to be introduced to this.

And there's just like these five levels of trying to understand what this game is and what it says about that and how it's connected to these extremist spaces online.

It's, it's, it's so, I mean, it's discombobulating.

It's confusing.

And I don't know what you do about it either.

But

thank you for it because you just made my, basically one of my main points is that these politicians, these leaders, if you want to call them that, the left or right.

are using this situation, in my opinion, to score political points when they're not diving down on the nuances and the layers to actually know what this stuff

means.

Yeah.

And the details matter.

The details really do matter.

Yeah.

And I had this, you know, I was reporting a story last year during the election, and I had somebody explain this to me.

It's just about, you know, an issue that Democrats were trying to fight on.

If you're taking three sentences to explain it, you're already lost.

And that's part of the problem, too.

That took too many.

Right.

As onwards, we have time for the Utah Governor clip.

This is really important folks.

Utah Governor Spencer Cox last night in Utah talking about the information that we consume and we should have to be careful

For those people who are spending so much time on on social media I think Charlie said it best that when when things get get bad we should put our phones down and Spend a little time with our families.

There is a tremendous amount of disinformation We are tracking our our

our team, the state team, and I'm sure the federal team as well.

What we're seeing is our adversaries want violence.

We have bots from Russia, China, all over the world that are trying to instill disinformation and encourage violence.

I would encourage you to ignore those, to turn off those streams, and to spend a little more time with our families.

We desperately need some healing.

We'll have more to say about that in the days and weeks to come.

That is the Republican governor of Utah, Spencer Cox.

Dan, I thought it was just great advice for all of us, including me,

touch grass, as the kids say.

Yeah, get off the phones.

I'm so guilty of doom-scrolling for way too long.

And I think it is, you know, I think Governor Cox, a Republican, has handled this pretty reasonably well.

I think all things considered.

And again, those are the types of leaders that we need to hear from people who are encouraging.

the opposite of what we hear from maybe the representative from the third congressional district here in Wisconsin.

We'll hear, speaking of, we'll hear what Derek Van Horten's saying and also Donald Trump kinda seems to be over it.

Donald Trump on his own words, not gonna wanna miss that and we'll give you the Brewer Ticket Magic word to win four tickets after this on Civic Media's Ready to Work.

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is how he gets Recapobulated

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turn 30 this year

really incredible

Time flies.

All right, Dan Schaefer, founder of the Recobobulation Area.

You can find him at therecobobulationarea.news.

Also, these civic media political editors here.

Lots to get to, Dan.

Short time to get to.

Let's get to a couple of these cuts.

Third District Republican Congress from Wisconsin in Washington, D.C.

yesterday.

This is courtesy of Heartland Signal.

This is Before We Knew.

who the police law enforcement arrested in connection with the Charlie Kirk killing, which turns out to be apparently a pro Trump family, a gun owning family, a white family, a Christian family.

But yet here is Derek Van Orton in Washington yesterday talking to the press.

Every single one of you here.

You're at fault.

You know what?

Knock it off.

Knock it off.

You are

responsible for that assassination yesterday.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

What about the Democrats?

What about the

Democrats?

Dan Schaefer, I'm

at a loss for words.

It's a really problematic statement, as we've seen many problematic statements from Representative Derek Van Orden in his time in public office.

You know, he's been

on Twitter constantly, basically, since the shooting, having a host of things to say.

I mean, we could spend the whole day, a whole show just reading off of Derek Van Orden's hundreds of tweets about this, blaming the left, blaming the media.

You know, I think it is important to note at this, as we talk, do this, you know, kind of make sense of things here.

His has been the exception.

I do sincerely believe that that there are majority of us out there on the right and the left have have responded to this assassination to this moment by

encouraging calm, by condemning political violence, by doing and saying the right things.

I think most of us are out there doing and saying the right things.

Derek Van Orden is not.

And we can focus on that and highlight what he had to say.

But I do think what he has been doing and saying has been the exception.

It has not been the norm.

I think most people out there, I think we played the clip from the Utah governor.

I think there are more people out there who are sounding and saying things like the Utah governor than there are saying things like Derek Van Norten.

It is just extremely unfortunate and frightening, frankly, that he is saying what he is.

And now the last three or four hours, he has changed his tone on Twitter from going after the left and Democrats to now calling out individuals and universities, other play these few exceptions on the left who are Dan and I think are agreement.

are also despicable of being gleeful about the death of Charlie Kirk.

That's repugnant,

in my opinion.

I absolutely agree.

It's awful.

It's despicable.

People should not be talking like that.

100%

agree with you.

But now, Derek, instead of saying, OK, we got the shooter, and it's really unfortunate that it's essentially one of ours, he doesn't want to talk about that.

And I think that's also wrong.

Donald Trump president Donald Trump on the White House lawn this morning was asked in the press gaggle It's hard to hear so I'm gonna tell you the question was sir How are you holding up after the assassination of your friend Charlie

Kirk?

I think very good.

And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks, they just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years.

And it's going to be a beauty.

It'll be an absolute and magnificent construction.

And I just see all the trucks.

We just started.

So it'll get done very nicely and it'll

be

One of the best anywhere in the world actually.

So Marine One was getting ready to take off, so it's kind of hard to hear, Dan.

But the question asked, how are you holding up after the assassination of your friend Charlie Kirk?

Very well, thank you, or pretty well, thank you.

And then goes on to talk about the building of a White House ballroom.

Again, now doesn't want to talk about it.

If, you know, I hate to do like the what, what if, what aboutism if you flipped it?

But like in this case, if, if somebody had asked Barack Obama in a press conference, what he thought about this and he turns to the turn to immediately move to the interior decorating at the White House, I think people would have a problem with that too.

A hundred percent and rightly so.

Yeah.

But, but again, because the narrative now doesn't match what they wanted to on the right, because it allegedly looks like this.

guy, this assassin, is someone from the ultra far, right?

Um, they call them Gropers within MAGA who are, who are, I want to get this out quickly.

Nick Fuentes, who has had dinner at Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump and all kinds of things.

You look on internet where he was going after Charlie

Kirk.

All right.

Recently.

Yeah.

Now, well, this one was when Kirk started a 2019 campus tour, Fuentes declared, quote, a griper war, unquote, against the, quote, fake conservative, unquote, asking his followers to, at Kirk events, to press him on stances that weren't, quote, conservative enough, expose him, unquote.

That's what this guy was being fed.

Yeah.

And, and later on.

And that has escalated in the six years since that.

And if you

go on it, and then other comments after that, Fuentes basically says, well, you know, I'm just kind of kidding.

I'm just kind of, you know, this is just, but he does, these people don't understand, Dan, that people who are already susceptible to mental health issues, who are alone, they cling to this and they'll, and then they act.

And not every one of them is kidding.

No, not at all.

That's what we need to be mindful of and take seriously.

It's just like, how much is, like, where's the line here?

You know, touch grass.

You watched the Packers last night.

I did.

That was that was a heck of a game.

That was fun.

That

was fantastic.

Tucker Kraft jumping in the stands.

He had a great game.

Yeah.

Packers defense played great.

We got a fun team.

I

two and 0 for the first time.

Clemens will keep me honest on this.

I first time in five or four or five years.

They've started the regular season two and 0.

Not too bad.

Not too bad at all.

You can find all of Dan's work at the recombobulationarea.news.

If you're kind of uncertain about what's going on, recombobulate yourself.

Go to the recombobulationarea.

Always great to have you here, Dan.

We'll talk to you tonight at Idea Fest at 6.

Absolutely.

Thanks so much,

Dad.

Always a pleasure.

Dan Shea for everybody.

Come on back.

Our two Brewers tickets.

What's worse?

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Come on back on the AllBall Show on Civic Media's Ready Network.

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And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

Taddle ball along with Mr. Aaron Zommerns on the board.

It's six minutes past the hour of three o'clock on this TGI Friday, September 12th, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite.

Boy, get outside.

It's a great day to be outside, be Wisconsinite.

Mostly sunny skies, maybe a little overcast clouds here and there, but it is a perfecto

fall day.

Zabers, how are you doing?

Well, do you want to take a look at the Sam Davidson?

Let's take

all the Sam Davidson Street cam There are rumors that he is back in the fold after being gone for the summer and here is the camera that he created There is a beautiful intersection of State Street and Fairchild a block off the Capitol Square

Person crossing against the light.

Almost got hit by a van.

People just walking

by when they want.

So you tried to promote the downtown Madison and you got Yahoo's walking across the light.

Lovely Overture Center right there.

Yeah, it's a beautiful day to be outside.

As they say, it looks like the forecast going to be hotter, going to be heating up.

Summer is back.

There used to be a term for that, but I don't know that I can say it anymore

Yeah, I don't know what

else do you call

it?

The term is Indian summer.

Thank

you We can at least say that that is the time

that is the term.

I don't know if there's a replacement for it.

I

haven't heard a replacement We should ask our friend Robert pilot who's a Native American who does native roots radio every night Is it still okay to call something Indian summer?

I don't know what he's gonna say, but my guess is probably gonna be

Sure.

That's my guess, but I don't want to speak for him.

Right.

Of course not.

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Anyway, it's going to be Indian summer like this weekend.

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You can find his and all the other work at the recombobulationarea.news.news.

Coming up at the bottom of the hour, just thereafter, Mike Clemens.

Nobody knows sports better than our own Mike Clemens.

We're lucky to have him, our top-notch sports reporter.

He was at Lambeau Field last night.

Gonna give us an update on that big packer win.

They're two and oh, also preview the Brewers who get back in action tonight.

By the way, Zomers, as you see, four, at least four of the Brewers were at Lambeau Field last night.

I did not see that.

Bryce Terrang, Durbin was his first name.

Is it Caleb?

Maybe.

Durbin was there.

And then you had Sal Freelick and Joey Oh, Joey Ortiz.

They were all there.

And of course, these guys come from other places, so they're not naturally brewers or Packers fans, but they put on their cheese heads, and they went up and had a lot of fun, and they posted stuff on social media, so it's great seeing some of the brewers up there at Lambeau last night.

By the way, we got a text from Sue in Franklin texting in a WAUK saying, how do they notify you if you win?

Email, text, call.

I mean, of course, just in case I win, Sue says.

To my knowledge, first you will get a text if you do not respond or you don't get it, they'll give you a call.

From there.

I'm not sure but then they

send two people in a dark car.

I'm not gonna know not really Carry your page and carry your pigeon.

That's right Brewers underway tonight against st.

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So text the word game GAME game right now.

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September 18th, so Clemens will be in talking Packers brewers and I got my motion W polo shirt on today the Badgers last time I checked 20 point underdogs The Badgers against Alabama Yeah, what would you take on the over under on 20?

I mean, I don't know.

I'd be tempted to take the over I'm sorry, but I kind of am I wish them all the best.

I want them to win

I Clemens will I heard him.

I heard his sports report coming in today Clemens will tell us that I it was it was like 1930 or 40 the last time the Badgers beat Alabama But who knows lightning could strike All right looking forward looking forward to that all right right now It's coming up on 14 past the hour of three o'clock time once again to play what's worse.

Let's

go

The choice is yours.

You can get with this or you can get with

that.

Time once again to play of what's worse.

Nothing to give away, no prize, money involved, but it is your chance to have your voice heard across all 10 news talk sports stations in the statewide Pacific Media Radio Network.

Timely, timely indeed, as Mike Lucas likes to say.

By the way, I went to that Tom Oates, Mike Lucas Ideas Fest this week on Tuesday at the Italian Workman's Club.

And let me tell you, that's a cool place.

The Italian Workman Club at the Greenbush neighborhood in Madison.

A couple of things.

Their guest on their podcast for Oatza Lucas was a former Wisconsin player, Olympic player, coach, and former Badger men's hockey coach, Tony Granado.

Great guy, really, really interesting.

Told some great stories, not just about sports, but life.

He like Lucas is a cancer survivor.

So I'd encourage you to check out Lucas and Oates's podcast this week there with Tony Granado.

But timely, timely indeed, as Mike Lucas likes to say, today's category and what's worse, a busy weekend or a lazy weekend, a busy weekend or a lazy weekend.

eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two or you can text us on the civic media app as we said download it your favorite Apple or Android device the civic media app where you can text us on yahoo

that's a new one

you probably could i'm not sure and go anywhere uh you can text on on on youtube i guess they both start with why youtube facebook

Or the Twitter ex Twix what's worse a busy weekend or a lazy weekend?

I like the images for this one busy weekend shows a beach That is absolutely packed Completely full so many people so many umbrellas and towels.

It's a wonder anybody can get anywhere and lazy weekend Completely vacant beach that looks like it might be the same one

It's hard to

tell.

For me, just looking at the photographs alone on the stream here, and we have a lot of people watching today because Dan Schaefer has a huge audience.

We appreciate it when he brings his viewers with us.

So those watching on the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, the like, yeah, it's not even close for me.

I know exactly where I'd be going on which one.

Busy weekend or lazy weekend?

855-752-4842, 855-752-4842, Megan on the text line in Beautiful Sun Prairie said, I'd rather have a lazy weekend, but I'm a bit of a hermit.

Busy weekends are worse for me.

All right.

Busy weekend or lazy weekend, what's worse?

855-752-4842, 855-752-484.

Robert and McFarlane has an expletive and says, I wish I got weekends.

I feel you, Robert.

I mean, I'm very fortunate in this job.

I do get weekends most of the time, but boy, when I own my own business or coffee shop or when I worked in retail, other jobs have had, you don't get weekends.

You're absolutely right.

Or- I used to work third shift in a foundry with mandatory overtime and yeah, we had one day off.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Brett listening in beautiful brown deer on the UK says busy weekends are worse busy.

Weekends are made for being lazy.

Yes, Brett.

Probably, you know, if you get weekends and yeah, time to just hang out, right?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Let's go to the phone lines.

Jesse in Madison, listening to WMDX.

Jesse, busy weekends or lazy weekends.

What's worse?

Sorry for the cop I'd answer but there isn't no worse.

It's the weekend.

Just enjoy it That's fair that's fair like like every other day right happen.

Yeah, just little

yeah, you have any plans for this weekend Jesse We're gonna go see weird Al tonight.

Oh really?

Start said five o'clock on Friday, uh, briefed eat it.

Oh, is it briefed?

He was in town

really

Why didn't

we

have we

could have booked you're telling me we could have booked weird Al Yankevic.

He's right down the street and we oh my gosh See lost opportunity.

We've

dropped the ball.

All

right, I'll take the blame on that one

Thanks.

Thanks, Jesse.

Have a great weekend.

Enjoy a weird Al Yankevic.

All right, very good Camilla in beautiful Milwaukee listening on WAU case says Todd I'm never going to apologize for a lazy weekend.

So busy weekends are worse

Alright, very good.

Uh, what else we have here?

Uh, PJ looks like on the YouTube channel looks like he's going to Weird Owl as well, perhaps.

Or is at least aware of it.

Yeah.

And,

well yeah, anyway.

What's worse, busy weekends or lazy weekends.

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

We'll come back and wrap that up.

In just, PJ says, nope, I can't afford going to At Weirdale.

He's not going.

We'll come back, wrap that up.

Also tell you, give you update on flood relief in Milwaukee and get ready for a sports report from the best in the business.

Mike Clements coming up after farm news in just a bit.

Stay with us.

It's the title of our show for a Friday across Wisconsin on the Civic Media.

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We could have had Dan Schaefer in hour two, followed by Weird Al Jankovic, followed by Mike Clemens.

Now that would have been a show.

That would have been a show.

I mean, it's fine the way it is.

I'm just saying you could have had Al or Weird Al Jankovic in between Schaefer and Clemens.

Especially if he brought in his accordion.

Right?

I'm all for the accordion.

What's worse, a busy weekend or a lazy weekend?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.

eight five five seven five two four eight four two also don't forget you can text us the word of the day the hour the two hours you have till four o'clock to text us the word game G A M E game is the word until four o'clock at four o'clock the computer will randomly select somebody who texted in the correct word of game

and that person will have four tickets sent to them electronically for the Milwaukee Brewers against the LA Angels for this Thursday, September 18th at 640.

Text the word game, G-A-M-E right now on the Civic Media app.

On WMDX in Sun Prairie, Chris, listening out beautiful Sun Prairie says, I would say busy weekends are better as long as it's a fun weekend and not work.

But a lazy weekend is definitely needed every once in a while.

Sue in beautiful Franklin listening on W. W. A. U. K. Says I'm retired.

So every day is the weekend.

We're going on.

We're going to go see the sound of music showing for a few days for the sixtieth anniversary.

Have a wedding tomorrow and a walking in the walk to end Alzheimer's Milwaukee walk on Sunday.

So I guess it's a busy weekend.

Sue, that sounds like a great weekend.

I think that's fantastic.

Have a little fun.

Help raise money for a good cause.

Great job, Sue.

Thanks for listening.

We appreciate you.

What's worse, a busy weekend or a lazy weekend?

Aaron Zommerich.

This is a tough one because naturally I'm inclined to agree with Megan and Sun Prairie, who was one of the first people to text in saying, you know, busy weekends are worse because I'm a bit of a hermit and just want to stay inside.

That's me, but also after a lazy weekend, a lot of the time I feel like I've accomplished nothing and I feel worse about myself.

So I will say I am more intimidated by a busy weekend, but after the fact, I think a lazy weekend is worse.

That's very interesting.

I would say the opposite.

I would say a busy weekend is worse because I might feel more pressure.

Not to say that busy weekends can't be fun, they can, but I think that

In terms of just what's worse a busy weekend because I got to keep schedule and you know I got things going where a lazy weekend is like wow I could just like chill out and I'm also being Being persuaded by the photo on the car today that shows a beautiful beach and I do love me some beach time Matt in Middleton on WMDX says busy weekends are the worst as I need my

Couch in cocktail time Monday will be grumpy Monday couch and cocktails I like that by

the way if I'm honest with myself busy weekends are worse I just said the other way because I'm trying to be aspirational and talk myself into actually doing things on the weekend

It's good to know Zombers is always forthright with us.

I like it this

way I was lying to myself.

I want to get this in according to channel 3000 WIS a WIS CTV in Madison President Donald Trump announced yesterday that he has approved

29.8 million dollars in disaster relief funds for the state of Wisconsin.

Events to help flooding victims connect with resources are continuing throughout the southeast part of the state after a month ago with all the flooding.

Sonya Yankee.

was at the Waukesha County event yesterday looking to get extra help in her recovery process.

She says, quote, my husband had to tap into his retirement.

He had to take money out of the money that we've spent years building up, unquote.

Yankee's thankful for the potential funds, but has questions about where it will go.

She says, quote, I've been looking around at what everybody lost and that amount of money will dwindle really quickly.

I don't know how it's going to be enough to take care of everything that's been lost," unquote.

Waukesha County Emergency Management Coordinator Alex Freeman talked about the next steps.

Freeman said, quote, we're waiting to find out more.

We know that there is a step, this step in the right direction right now.

We're very thankful that the president has taken a look at a recovery needs here in Waukesha County and across the state of Wisconsin.

I know that it was a bipartisan effort.

Democratic U.S.

Senator Tammy Baldwin along with Republican U.S.

Senator Ron Johnson and the rest of the congressional delegation lobbied Trump for this, as did Democratic Governor Tony Evers.

So at least one small focus on something positive today, which is in this case, a bipartisan effort has led to at least nearly $30 million in disaster relief funds for the people of Southeast Wisconsin.

Hope that covers it.

If it doesn't, hopefully there is a way that Congress could approve more monies.

But we shall see.

We'll keep an eye on that as Civic Media News Department will as well.

Our very own Stuart J. Wattles down there in Waukesha and Racine as well.

All right, we've gotten all the comments.

So what's worse?

We get Matt?

Yeah, we got Matt.

He's couching cocktails.

Couching cocktails.

I really like

that.

Maybe that should be a new segment on the show.

We

can bring back Mamosa Friday.

Yes, Mamosa Friday and combine it with our JD Vans couch out in the lobby.

Bring it back in the studio.

It

used to be in the studio, but now it's out in the couch.

Out in the couch.

The smell was too much to bear.

Couch and cocktails.

I like that a lot.

All right.

Uh, that's it for what's worse.

We'll be back with new editions of what's worse next week.

Don't forget, you can still get your entry in for those free brewer tickets for this coming Thursday, September 18th against the LA angels at 640.

Go to the civic media app and text the word game.

G A M E game.

Text the word game right now on the civic media app from the, from the correct entries.

The computer will randomly draw someone at four o'clock, and you'll be on your way to Ampham Field on Thursday.

The Brewers get underway again tonight against the Cardinals on many of our stations, starting at 6.35 with the pregame show.

How about them Packers last night?

We'll talk Packers, Badgers, and Brewers on the other side with the world the only Mike Clemens.

Stay tuned.

Farm News is next right now with Pam Yankee on the Civic Media.

We're ready to network.

Relentless.

Just physical, aggressive attacking.

The play style is exactly what we want from these guys.

And it always starts with the energy and effort.

And that's going to get you through and can overcome for some of the mistakes.

So I just thought I think our front is extremely disruptive, getting after the quarterback.

That is the head coach of the Green Bay Packers, Matt LaFleur.

After last night boy the the pack deserves to be having a weekend off there Some of the Brewers were up at Lambo last night.

Maybe some of the the Packers will go down to am fam tonight I'm not sure but the the Packers got a big win over the Washington commanders 27 to 8

team in the wide out at Lambeau on Thursday night football on prime and heard on several of our civic media stations on the Green Bay Packers radio network and here to go over that and more.

Nobody knows it better.

Nobody covers it better than our own sports reporter, Mike Clemens, who joins us via phone on the road.

Mike, what a game at Lambeau last night.

Yeah, at Lambeau here, by the way, where today there's like tours going by every 20 minutes.

I mean, it's like it's almost a game day.

The buzz is incredible.

Hey, Todd, that's a thought.

I didn't think of that.

Because last night, like pregame down the sidelines, I saw Sal Freelick, Bryce Terrang from the Brewers, and Caleb Durbin was over there.

Maybe some Brewers would be down there.

And they do this thing, too, like when Jordan Love was down there.

He threw out the first pitch.

And about the sixth or seventh inning, the scoreboard crew puts up the thing like,

top five celebrity look-alikes, so they go through the crowd, and they put a picture of a celebrity up, you know, like a guy that might have bad blonde comb over hair and put him next to Donald Trump or something.

So they get to the end, and it's got a picture of Jordan Love in his jersey, and then they got Jordan Love sitting there actually in the seat, you know, and I told him.

I told when that game was over, I was going down the elevator and those two women were talking about that and they said, boy, that guy for Jordan Love, that's a dead ringer though.

No, ma'am.

Perhaps you missed the first pitch.

That was him.

He was here today.

That's a joke.

That's fantastic.

Yeah, everybody's in a great mood.

I heard one of your sports reports earlier might keep me honest, but the first time the Packers have started off $2 or what, four or five years?

Yeah, it's not only that.

In terms of holding the opponents to a certain amount of yardage and everything, that goes back to like the 90s.

Wow.

You know when that guy Reggie White was here.

When you watch the game last night, I mean, because one of the guys from the networks asked me, have you ever seen a Packers defense this fast?

And I thought, you know, Reggie, maybe a couple other guys, you know, Ezra Johnson way back in the day.

I said, but I haven't seen five guys on the defense this fast.

And so, when you're watching the all-22, if you will, the camera work from behind, what you see is four guys lined up, maybe five, and all it takes is one to break through, but the others close in so well and form that pocket, that net.

So, the Jaden Daniels, who's young, NFL offensive rookie of the year last year, the quarterback for the commanders,

uh... he's got nowhere to go and he's hurried they they had they hit him twelve times the fact of four times it was under pressure all night long and so they were making it a safety you know he said i didn't think it do tonight he said between kishan nixon deflecting passes for five of them and then the what the pressure they're getting on the quarterback i just got back here picture you know nobody took off for a deep ball so i asked him how did the defense hold

Jaden Daniels is just three points through three quarters of that game last

night.

The pass rush was relentless.

I think we did a great job, not only just rushing, but containing him as well and swarming to the ball.

I think, you know,

those

things, you know, all together helped us because even when sometimes he did get out of the pocket, everybody swarmed.

So like.

It really didn't mean much.

He didn't really get no worse.

That was Xavier McKinney last night.

Mike Clemens had an opportunity to catch up with him afterwards.

And and I think that was so glad you brought this up, Mike, because so much and rightfully so we talk about Jordan Love.

But boy, to your point, I mean, the commanders got to the NFC finals last year.

Jane Daniels is a big part of that.

The defense, boy, that just gave I think a lot of us Packer fans don't cover it like you do a lot of hope for this season.

No, and they've the teeny bee last week the lines they average 33 points a game last year number one scoring offense in the league and You know you held them through three four quarters last week

And

it

helps that, you know, you're doing this game at Lambeau Field.

But, you know, Dan Campbell would beat the Packers 3-0 at Lambeau Field.

We're talking with Mike Clemens, a great sports reporter, live from Lambeau Field.

The big Packers win last night over the Washington Commanders, 27 to 18.

Mike, Micah Parsons, ever since he got to Lambeau last night on the post game show, they were carrying it on Prime, Amazon Prime.

The crowd that was still left was chanting.

Thank you, Jerry, as Michael Parsons sat there on the set.

Yeah.

Thank you, Jerry Jones.

Right.

It's all that chanting.

It was pretty funny.

And, you know, the thing about Parsons and, you know, we'll, we'll go week by week on this, but so far Todd, I mean, this guy says everything and he does everything the right way.

This awareness he's got about the room, the players, you know, he walks around the stadium last night, three hours before the kickoff, just to take in

the environment i mean he's on all different kinds of levels in terms of his awareness and leadership and the way he pushes himself and it you know it definitely put the pressure on his teammates his new teammates so kenny clark was a favorite here is a great football player thirty years old he has to go to dallas in the trade along with two first round picks and michael parsons comes up from the dallas carboys up to green bay two weeks ago yesterday and it's just like you flip the switch

in terms of the energy of that locker room.

So we asked Micah, in a very crowded, in a hull of media round him last night, how

do

you explain how the team loses KC, Kenny Clark, and last night they're playing with their hair on fire with guys like Devonte Wyatt, one of their young defensive linemen, who's back there all over the quarterback and pressuring him.

You know, that's a great part because you know, I think a lot of people, you know, obviously KC was a great player, but the organization really trusted those guys that they'll be able to step up.

And then when I got here and I'm watching, I'm like, I can be great too.

Like, I just think, you know, when you, they see someone else challenging them and being great, it just makes everyone better.

It makes everyone rise to the occasion.

And they understand, I think the first league I got here has a different standard level of play and I bought into what they did and I probably brought some flavor too.

when everyone's just playing good, it's just beautiful to see.

I think everyone had sacks today.

Everyone was getting out to the quarterback.

We was pushing the pocket.

We probably out there when there's a chance, you're like, do you watch like you go?

You know, I'm like, yo, you go, I go power.

So, you know, we're just all feeding off each other.

And that's what makes it beautiful to see.

And that makes it fun.