An Animated Discussion With Pat and Trygve (Hour 1)

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Along with Mr. Aaron Zommers, our producer and engineer on the board, it is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025.

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It was windy, windy.

I walked up St.

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Anyway, glad to have you along on the Wednesday edition here after the Labor Day holiday.

Things are back to normal.

The gang is back together here on a Wednesday, joining us from the studios at beautiful Lake Wissota, the host of Mornings with Pat Critello, powered by Up North News.

Mr. Pat Critello joins us from Lake Wissota and a former Republican like myself, a good old River Falls boy, now the senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, joining us from a secure

undisclosed location outside our nation's capital, Trig V. Olson.

Gentlemen, how

are you?

Well, we're good because we could spend a lot of time reminiscing about childhood cartoons during the break there just now.

Underdog, Tennessee Tuxedo, Commander McBrag, all dog gophers.

There were a lot of dogs there, but you had quick drama girl in there, too.

Scooby-Doo.

We really have just become the two old men rocking on the porch talking about days gone by.

But when we all grew up, I mean Saturday cartoons were the thing.

There was no on demand.

We weren't even wealthy enough to have a VCR when I was a kid.

And so it was just like, you had to be up at seven o'clock on Saturday morning if you wanted to watch Roadrunner Bugs Bunny or Grape Ape or one of my personal favorites, Hong Kong Fui.

No, that was right, right?

Number one super guy.

Yeah.

Captain

Caveman.

Could

we do an hour on 70 Saturday morning cartoons?

You betcha.

Yes, we could.

Guys, what are two of your top favorites?

Bye.

Oh, well, I was very much a Bugs Bunny, you know, Roadrunner, Warner Brothers kind of person.

So that was me.

But I did like some of the other, you know, Rocky and Bullwinkle and Underdog was another favorite.

Trinkv?

I liked Underdog.

I like Scooby-Doo.

What else did I like?

Gilgamesh Island.

That's not really a cartoon.

For a short time, it was.

Yes, it was.

Yes.

And especially when they did like the crossover things, like Scooby-Doo meets Gilligan's Island and Scooby-Doo meets the Harlem Globetrotters and that ridiculous stuff.

You know what I didn't like was that Sid and Marty Croft stuff, like HR Puffin stuff.

Oh, yeah.

And then there were a couple of others, like I just did.

And Land of the Lost, that one was under

five

plus minus on, you know.

That was a weird one.

Everybody loved dinosaurs.

So there you go.

Synthelating.

Zombers.

I still had Saturday morning cartoons, too.

Like what?

Like Scooby-Doo was still on.

It was still on.

Sometimes reruns, sometimes new shows because there's been many incarnations of Scooby-Doo.

But my favorites were honestly when they played the ones from the 70s.

Like I loved watching Rocky and Bo Linkle and what was in my brain?

Looney Tunes, the most obvious thing.

Why did I forget that?

Oh, yeah.

Well, it's because everything that I know about high culture, everything I know about opera, for example, comes from Bugs Bunny Cartoon.

We learned from Tom and Jerry.

Tom and Jerry was another one.

Again, classical music with Jerry and the piano.

I mean, the kids are missing out these days.

They got bluey and all that.

We had coyotes falling off of cliffs.

Come on.

Exactly.

And now it's all this educational crap where, oh, let's talk about dogs need a home.

You know, let's let's get get kid to the science.

You know, there's

no

it's just all that kind of stuff now.

By

the way,

this is the only thing that is on the civic media-ready network right now.

It's 11 minutes past the hour two o'clock.

All right, guys, let's get into a slightly more serious fair here in terms of politics happening across the state of Wisconsin and in Washington, D.C.

I want to start with this.

because especially why Pat is here, a former Democratic state senator here in the legislature.

get his take and and and trig v as a republican strategist as well our old friends at the democratic party uh are some of them some are still high on the hog david hog in particular who uh spent a short time as a vice chair of the democratic national committee until he announced that he and his personal pack we're going to that's political action committee by the way uh we're going to target

Certain Democrats in Congress incumbents because they either in his view were too old

or we're not voting progressive enough, and get rid of him.

Well, it turns out that my least favorite Martin, Ken Martin, who beat Ben Wickler for the chair of the DNC, so there's a big falling out, and David Hogg got pushed out of the DNC, and now he's off of his own, going rogue.

He's a feral hog, politically.

And so now, this week, he had some comments, it was questioned here, I believe this is by The Hill, he was at, and saying, now, here is his mission, here's David Hogg from this week.

What I would say is we are not challenging people that are in anything less like I would say a D plus nine race that we're almost certain that it's almost certainly going to be Democratic and we will be funding candidates that are running in competitive races to challenge Republican incumbents at the same time.

Right.

I don't want us to lose the majority in the house because somebody you know just because we may not agree with somebody fully where they are on on guns or something

like

that even at least right now when I feel like democracy is on the line.

That is David Hogg and his

political action committee talking about what he's going to do.

Pat Crite low as a Democrat.

Is this where and I'm not going to look, David Hogg is a prominent figure in today's Democratic politics.

But is this what I mean, plus nine districts in 2026?

I'm not sure.

For those that don't know, that just simply means that the incumbent one by nine percentage points or more in their district.

If someone won by nine percentage points, Pat, is that the person you really want to be going after?

In terms of you know going after fellow Democrats.

Yeah, I think I think I missed the boat on this one

No, I probably didn't set it up that well.

I guess my point is this is that

is that I don't consider a plus nine a safe democratic seat.

And Hogg's point is, oh, Democrats are going to win that seat regardless because it's a plus nine.

I don't think nine percentage points in 2026 is all that huge of a margin.

Go after people that are plus 26 if that's really what you want to do.

I don't think they should be doing it anyway, but let's see.

I mean, this kind of comes back to, you know, Howard Dean and the 50 state strategy.

And of course, at the time, you know, there were people that were highly critical of that saying, you know, you've only got so many resources, you can only put them into so many areas.

And Howard Dean saying, I'm sick of that.

And we're going to compete everywhere because you never know how fortunes might swing.

And I would point in the case of Democrats to 2006, where, again, it was one of those years where Democrats won seats that they hadn't won in nearly 100 years in some parts of like Southwest Wisconsin in the legislature.

But, you know,

So it's one thing of being competitive in in every district, or do you just invest in a few?

But with David Hogan, I mean, I hear him most frequently talking about going after, you know, older fellow Democrats, who he thinks their time is up and they should move on.

And he may be right.

But again, you only have finite resources.

I'd pick your battles more carefully and try to actually win control than I would take time going after

You know, Steny Hoyer or somebody else in their 80s who frankly should have left.

Yeah.

But at least the seats in their hands.

Trivio Olsen is plus nine Democrat.

Is that really a quote unquote safe seat for Democrats going into 2026 and should hog be stirring the pot in the primaries?

Yeah, it's safe.

Say that again, you're a little soft.

Yes.

Yes.

It's

safe.

It's safe.

So you're okay with

it now that that and all that being said honestly David hog

is reminds me of the Tea Party types that I used to meet in 2010.

Oh, we're going to primary all the Democrats like Steny Hoyer that we don't like or Gwen Moore rather than spending money beating Brian Stile or Derek Van Orton, like so we can have a more progressive Congress.

So let's divide things even worse.

Like David Hogg needs to learn the game he's in because he isn't going to get any, the truth of the matter is 55% of Americans.

Across the entire country aren't buying what David Hogg is selling and most of them probably never will so they get focused on converting people not on Trying to create purity tests within your own party because you're no better than mega if that's what you're doing Period stop end of story might not be popular with some of the people in the audience, but it's true

Yeah, I mean I I mean Pat I I just think to trigger these point that

Already now what's happening in Texas this redistricting Democrats essentially gonna be five seats down there because Likelihood is Republicans have a better chance there to trigger this point Pat it wouldn't be who Democrats to vote doesn't matter whether it's formerly the DNC folks or outside groups focus on incumbent Republicans to try to increase to first to get the majority and a bigger majority going into 2027

No, well, yeah, I mean I 100% agree with that that this this is I think a lot of this conversation gives gives the appearance that Democrats are somehow on the ropes and have to compete in districts where they're typically up by plus nine and I don't see 2026 like that at all even after the you know the political malpractice the frankly criminal nearly criminal behavior that Texas Republicans are doing right now.

I think that there's going to be

quite a democratic wave in 2026 as Trump continues to, well, do whatever it is that he's doing.

And frankly, I'm not even sure that he has the mental faculties to know what he's doing right now.

So I think a lot of this is stuff that we're going to forget as we get closer to November when Republicans are grasping to hold on to even a respectable minority at this point.

Well, the latest from Axios today.

Now, pardon me, three more House Republicans add them to a list of incumbents making a break for a higher office.

Representative Ashley Heinzen or Hinzen, Republican of Iowa is running to succeed.

Joni Senator Joni Ernst in the Senate.

Now the Ernst is planned.

Planned retirement is official in other races.

Rep Harriet Higman, Republican of Wyoming, our very own Rep Tom Tiffany of Wisconsin, indicated that they plan to run for governor very soon as well.

So it appears that Republicans trigger the

going to have their own problems trying to hang on to the house?

Yeah, the election held today.

It wouldn't be very good, I don't think, for Republicans.

But I mean, the truth of the matter is I was just doing Joe Trippie's podcast, which for those of you who don't, that Trippie show, you should listen to it when it comes out.

It's really good.

But no, I mean, Joe's really

good.

I

don't

know

how I was.

But yeah, Joe's podcast is great.

Now, if the election were held today, it'd probably be a pretty good night for Democrats.

But the truth of the matter is, what is surprising to people that they're trying to make the elections not free or fair?

I mean, that's what autocrats do.

But you beat them not by complaining about it.

You don't beat them by trying to win that game by, OK, we're going to redistrict.

Sure, maybe you do that.

But the bottom line is the way that you beat them is you

get more people to support your side so that you don't lose Wisconsin three by 5,000 votes.

You win it by 5,000 votes.

That means you need to get more people to support what you're selling.

Again, David Hogg is busy wanting to fight internal fights.

the Titanic sinks, so just keep playing music.

No ships, but there are armed people

coming potentially to Chicago, maybe to Milwaukee, and the police union head welcomes it.

We'll discuss that with Pat Trinkov on the side.

Welcome back to the Todd Law Ball Show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

Uh, we become cartoonish.

Thank you, Mr. Zombers.

I appreciate that.

That was a Scooby-Doo title card.

No, it's very good.

It was very,

very, very good.

We're talking about our favorite cartoons to open up the show here on a Wednesday on the Civic Media Ready Network 22 now, past the hour of three o'clock.

No cartoon characters, great broadcasters, great political

folks.

Yeah, best debatable.

I

don't know.

Well, at least one of our cast is a great broadcaster.

Uh, Mr. Pat Krightlow joins us from...

lake wassota studios there where you can find him every morning on mornings of pack crite low from six until nine and trig v. Olsen who joins us from washington dc area via stream yard and he is a senior advisor at the Lincoln project first of all guys before we get back into

a little bit of politics.

I want your quick take on this.

Our very Luke Mathers is all over this, sending out the latest from the Wisconsin lottery now.

The Powerball jackpot has increased to $1.4 billion for tonight.

Are you playing?

If I get out, yes, I'm reminded that my wife...

Every softening just pushes me out the door and says, go touch grass, go outside and play.

You can't sit at this desk all the time.

So yes, I do intend to go out and get a ticket.

I also know it's not the end of the world, but you know, dream dreams can only cost you a couple of bucks.

Exactly.

I'll play along.

Why not?

Travee, you're gonna get a

powerball.

No.

He's so, you're so unenthusiastic about

it.

Did you know your odds of winning, of being hit by lightning three times in a left time are greater than your odds of winning the Powerball?

But still

a chance.

And yet people win Powerball and I have never heard of anybody being struck three times by lightning.

So there's a statistician.

Wow.

Wow.

I love it.

I'll tell you what, when you win it, will you take me out on your new pontoon boat that you buy with your Lagrasse?

Yes.

Right after I fly you there because it'll be in

Tahiti.

Pack quite low one.

There you go.

Just get on that.

You're all set to go.

All right,

guys,

a quick take here on something a little bit more serious.

We've seen in Washington, D.C.

outside of where Trigby is at proper.

the mayor out there, which I think is weird and goofy.

My opinion is they've got something on her or threatened her and she's just capitulated.

The mayor of DC now is basically saying, hey, if you want to take control of our police force in DC, stay here as long as you want.

We're fine with that.

Meanwhile, JD Vance was in La Crosse last week saying, we'd love to come to Milwaukee if we got an invite.

And now yesterday, the head of the police union in Milwaukee gave it.

Pat Crite, well, let's see.

Look, I just was finishing a story on this, which kind of ties in some of JD Vance's remarks from lacrosse last week, which by the way, I can summarize in this manner.

Be afraid of immigrants, be afraid of immigrants, be afraid of immigrants.

It's all about the crime.

But here's the thing, they love to talk about how in the past couple of weeks crime has plummeted in the nation's capital.

It has nothing to do with the troops that are there.

It does have a lot to do with the presence of people from some rather elite agencies, you know, the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, people who have the power to make arrests are making arrests while our National Guard troops are using a lot of our resources.

to pick up trash, to which the mayor there, Meryl Bowser, said, look, if you gave me 500 additional police officers

We'd see the same amount of arrests and gun recoveries and things like that.

It simply reinforces the point that cities have been begging for the resources they get austerity budgets from Republicans until things reach a certain level where the Republicans say, oh, you know what we need?

We need troops on the streets or more law enforcement officers making arrests.

Yeah, we could have used those law enforcement officers a long time ago.

instead of playing these political games that have wasted millions of our tax

dollars.

Is this really about security or is this about setting things up to kind of not kind of but basically rig the election via suppression in

2026?

I don't know that it has anything to do with suppression and the elections.

I will tell you this to Pat's point.

So my daughter, Ula, wanted to go see the Washington Mystics.

That's the WNBA team play.

She's kind of really into women's basketball.

The arena is over in Anacostia, which is not a very nice neighborhood.

In fact, it's really bad neighborhood.

And I don't go in the district often and I'm driving Oula to the game.

I had to drive down Constitution and you get by the Capitol on the mall and there's national guard guys out and about where there is no crime.

Incidentally, there's a bunch of Capitol Hill staffers playing softball and stuff like that.

You get over to Anacostia, not a national guard person to be seen.

And there's like muggings going on as you're driving by.

And

it's

just like the whole thing is just cosplay.

I mean, that's all it is.

It's just cosplay.

It is.

And again, you've got the actual law enforcement folks from the FBI, the DEA, they're doing car stops for tinted windows and open alcohol containers and all that while being taken off whatever investigations that they were working on.

This is just one more lesson in

how these folks are just bad with our money.

They're bad with our resources, but they sure know how to put on a TV show, how to put together political commercials and things like that.

And that's the world that we're living in right now.

In other words, I might be right, but I end up being wrong on election day when people go, Oh, well, those troops are there.

So I guess somebody's doing the right thing, even when they're not actually

I think it's cosplay until it's not and latest I've heard is that now the Trump administration to say we're not gonna send the military into place like Chicago or Milwaukee It's going to be ice

And it's going to be a reason to round up people once we've seen the past.

Many are citizens or permanent residents already.

And I do think it's going to be something to do to suppress the vote in 2026, Pat,

which is exactly what JB Pritzker, the Illinois governor said yesterday.

I highly recommend going back to his remarks.

They were spot on explaining what they intend to do, especially for Mexican New Year celebrations, which is just repugnant.

Yeah.

By the way, JD Vance being in La Crosse, he was very disappointed.

His advanced team did not take him to Ashley Furniture.

So, for whatever that's worth.

Pat Crite will appreciate you.

You can listen to him every

morning from

six until nine on the Civic Media Ready Network.

Come on back.

Trig V. Olsen joins us once again.

On the other side, farm news is next on the Civic Media Ready Network.

That's all.

Welcome back to the Taliban show on the Civic Media Radio Network 35 minutes now.

Past the hour of two o'clock, glad to have you along on a hump day Wednesday with our friend...

ongoing contributor, senior advisor at the Lincoln Project, Mr. Trig V. Olsen, who joins us via stream yard from his home outside of our nation's capital.

He's in good mood now.

We played Go You Packers, Go Go, the 1996 rendition, which was Trig

V's request.

And you don't need no darn luck because we all know the bears still suck.

I can't.

Yes, you can say that on the radio.

I think so.

Yeah.

Um, that context, I mean, yeah.

Uh, especially about the bears.

Uh, not normally, normally we wait till the end of the show and I say, if we get to it, we'll talk about, and I feel like I cheat too often.

And so why not?

Why not get into it in the heart of our Wednesday talk here with Trig V. Olson, who is, by the way,

a Green Bay Packer owner.

And so we're so happy to have this insider knowledge.

All right, Trig V, what day?

I'm just gonna ask you at the Big Micah Parsons trade.

Biggest acquisition, in my opinion, since Reggie White, Charles Woodson might be a...

Candidate for that as well.

But certainly making the biggest impact.

This is a big deal.

Getting one of the greatest defensive players we've seen right now from Dallas out from under Jerry Jones.

Now coming to the Packers.

What was your initial

reaction?

Oh, it's awesome.

Min first of all.

We took Jerry Jones to the cleaners.

We traded him like a washed up nose tackle and two second round picks, essentially.

I wouldn't call Kenny Clark washed up.

They weren't going to have him back next year anyway.

Yeah, he's kind of washed up 10 years.

I mean, I like Kenny Clark, but.

You know, good luck.

All right.

Good riddance.

Don't let the door hit you and you're on the way out.

Harsh.

No, no.

I mean, they'll miss him, but they got, they got, it's a young man's game, Todd.

Just like radio.

Well,

then I might have a high best friend.

Or unlike radio, maybe, I don't know.

We don't know if anybody's listening to us or not.

They're not ringing today, Todd.

But yeah, we haven't asked.

No, I mean,

Yeah, it's a huge deal.

He's in his prime.

I mean, guys like that.

Michael Parsons,

right?

How often does that happen?

And how often does a city go through trading Luka Donchich for two used basketballs and a tall guy?

And then they trade Parsons for two second round picks and a washed up nose tackle.

Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

I I just think I'm feeling very optimistic now Here's the really interesting part Todd as you know my daughters and I and our listeners know because they were on when we were in Seattle My daughters and I are going to the game in Dallas really been ours.

Yeah, I'll be there when that's going down should be pretty that'll be exciting that'll be yeah, that'll be exciting well

Like a few I

think it's

great.

We had our very I know that you have met and talked with Mark Murphy before now former Packers president.

Our very old Luke Mathers was here yesterday telling the story.

He was with family playing golf up in Dorr County over the weekend Labor Day weekend and they were just sitting there there off getting off the first nine and here coming in behind them.

It was a six of the civil force.

It was a six of and they're like what's going on?

It turned out as Mark Murphy who owns the course this course up in Dork County and he was he was super cool and Luke in a basket way.

What do you think about that trade and Murphy said?

Yeah, basically like we really took it to Jerry

Yeah, I mean they did yeah, he is a nice guy.

I mean the two times that

Actually, there was one professional time I talked to him, too.

But two times that I ended up talking to him, once he was wandering around the parking lot talking to fans at the Red Skin Packer game out in DC.

And yeah, true story.

And I ended up talking to him then.

And then the second time I was on a Lambo field tour with my daughters, who were pretty little at the time.

And the guy who was giving the VIP tour.

We were down by the locker room and Mark Murphy with a couple other guys comes walking by and the guy's like, oh, there's Mark Murphy.

Don't, you know, just kind of leave him alone.

And my daughter, Kaya, I'm like, that's the president of the Packers.

She walks over to him right away because she isn't paying attention to what the guy says.

And it's like, hi, I'm Kaya.

I'm a Packer fan.

And he's like, oh, great.

And he's like, she's like, can I get a picture with you, sir?

And so we took a picture with him and he stood and talked to him like he was awesome.

Of course, it was a total pain, which is why the tour guide didn't want him because everybody else wanted the picture done with Mark Murphy,

too.

So anyway.

Well,

I

mean, your story, Luke's story, it just reconfirms that Packer fans are very lucky that we've had a great run on the organization.

When you look at Bob Harlan, Mark Murphy.

And now I forget the guy's new name.

Anyway, they do a great job.

Policy.

Thank you.

Ed policy.

We don't know that he's a good runner, not time.

Well, I mean, there's been some things like we learned some things when we were up in Green Bay that were a little troublesome.

But, you know, I think Mike

Clemens,

our sports reporter, said that he was a good steward of the team, right?

Like he, you know, like, you know, that.

It's kind of what you want from the president of the United States, which I would argue we're not getting.

No, you want somebody who's going to be a good steward of the country.

I'm really getting that note.

No, we're not.

Maybe maybe Mark Murphy will be willing to step into the Oval Office for the last two to have three years.

And I mean, honestly, how hard is it being president of the Packers, right?

Like,

yeah,

I don't know.

OK, you got a bunch of minions like Brian Gudekunst to fleece the Dallas Cowboys.

So you hire good people.

The floor.

And then and then your job, it's like being governor of Wisconsin only even better, right?

Like you show up at a bunch of chamber of commerce and you're like.

Isn't it great to be from Wisconsin?

The Packers score, the crowd roars, and the Hall of Fame gets filled with Lombardi trophies some more.

No, that's great.

By the way, do you know what the Mall of America and US Bank Stadium have in common?

What's that?

And Ampham Field, for that matter.

Well, same number of championship trophies.

That's mean.

That's I knew that's where that was going.

That's absolutely mean, throwing the Brewers.

And the Brewers are still five games ahead of the Cubs.

Thank you very much.

In the.

I just think.

All right, quickly, because I want to get to a little bit more politics, but Sunday, first big home opener, big season opener against Detroit.

The Lions, of course, defending the central champions.

What what what do you think?

How now you got if Jordan is Jordan,

the better

healthy

of the weather is better than when you and I went to see the lines.

That was bad.

It wasn't so good.

No, no, it wasn't good.

What do I think?

I don't know, you know, I mean, it's a big game to start the season, right?

Like you want to start it the right way.

I don't have any hate on the Lions.

And I really don't hate the Bears, but man, I hate the Vikings.

But

yeah, I want them to beat.

I mean, I think, I think they got a good shot of beating the Lions.

Like it's gonna say a lot, but it's the first game of the season too.

It's not how you're playing at the beginning.

It's where you're at at the end.

I think I misspoke.

I think I said called the FC central, which is back from the old days.

It's the NFC North.

I'm thinking National League Central with the Brewers.

That's what's in my mind right now.

But I feel good.

I think the Parsons is going to be assuming, by the, you hear, he's got to get a cortisone shot or something.

Everybody took a huge, like, Oh my God, what's going on?

And his back.

Yeah.

Because he's got some vertebrate issues and people

are

having back spasms.

No, he's like the legit.

They said what number and everything between four and five

or something like that.

So

we got a damaged car?

No, that's the big question.

And I guess the people who claim to know say that all that was looked at, it was cleared.

It's just a run of the mill type of thing that he's going to be OK.

So, but he last

I heard

he plans on playing we are going to have our sport aforementioned sports reporter Mike Clemens in on Friday last half hour of the show He will have the injury report from the Packers by then and we will find out exactly who is in and who is out for the home opener of the Green Bay Packers of which you can listen to live on many of our stations across Wisconsin starting at 1 o'clock on Sunday afternoon a WRCO

100.9 FM in Richland Center, WCQM 98.3 in Park Falls, WRJ in Racine, Kenosha, and WAUH 102.3 FM in Watoma, our newest Green Bay Packer affiliate.

This Sunday, Packers against Detroit, starting at one o'clock with a pregame show.

Looking forward to that.

All right, Trigby, another Packer fan.

We've had the honor of talking to you a couple of times on this program.

Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez, who is still the only officially formally announced candidate for governor in the state of Wisconsin, releasing a statement today saying that she has now completed her third consecutive year of traveling to all of Wisconsin's 72 counties.

Her last stop on the county circuit tour was Wolf and the Wolf and Fox.

winery at Colley Met County just last week.

So, uh, there you go, Sarah Rodriguez continues her traveling around the state.

You've talked about this before and we're not here to endorse anybody, but I think we both are impressed with Lieutenant Governor Rodriguez as we have been with, with, uh, uh, State Senator Kelle Roy.

She's expected to announce, although that official announcement has not come around, but I think Lieutenant Governor here getting out into all 72 counties.

That's a big part of any successful statewide campaign.

Yeah, huge part.

I mean She's gonna be a really strong candidate.

I think There's gonna be some others in the race You know, I mean it will be interesting to see strategically how the various Democrats who get in the race sort of approach this right because You got to win the primary to be in the dance.

So you got to get a date to the dance, but on the other hand you don't want to

You don't want to have to do what you have to do to get the date and then turn out disqualify yourself from winning the dance contest, right?

And, you know, there is that risk, I think, for the Democrats going too far to the left.

To Pat's regular point, the Republican primary is really a primary about one guy.

Do you get Donald Trump's endorsement?

You know, I mean, is Tiffany going to be that guy?

I don't know.

It'll be interesting to see.

He was

in Labor Day Parade Strictly.

You probably didn't see this out there.

He was in a couple of Labor Day parades.

And I'm not sure if they thought this was just like a funny shtick or whether it's an indication of the way their early campaign is going.

But they took one of his like congressional farm signs that said Tiffany for Congress and over Congress, they just kind of did like a homemade sign and marker that said for governor.

And I'm like, really?

Really?

Yeah.

And anyway, he took, he stood next to it and they took a picture of that and they thought that was something to like promote.

But yet, but yet officially he's saying he's just thinking about it.

I mean, I just thought that was, I guess it gets people like you and I to talk about it, but I just thought really, that's how you want to start your campaign is kind of a makeshift side for governor.

That doesn't sound very professional.

That guy, you know, my mom, when she was living bless her soul, you know, she, he represented the eighth cause the St.

Croix County part of her falls got taken into it and then she moved to Hudson.

The seventh, sorry.

And.

You know, I just remember having conversations with her, but when Tom Tiffany first ran, you know, like his first ad was literally, I want to go to Washington to do what Donald Trump wants me to do.

Like, I just don't think he's a deep guy.

Like, you know, yeah, I don't know.

He doesn't, yeah.

Not the brightest bulb on the string,

Tom Tiffany.

No, you know, I mean that's the thing right like Tommy was unpolished, but he was smart

Now, sleep far!

Wisconsin!

Welcome back to the Tottenhamo show on the Civic Media radio network.

From Superior to Milwaukee, Green Bay to Prairie to Sheet, every place in between.

Glad to have you along with us on a Wednesday.

very excited to be ready for the start to the Green Bay Packers season.

Coming up on this Sunday, you can listen to the game starting at the one o'clock pregame show Detroit at Green Bay across many of our stations on the Civic Media Ready Network, including in Richland Center, Park Falls, Racine, Kenosha and Watoma this year.

So glad to have all those stages along.

And if you're in those listing areas, you can listen to it.

Remember, you can't listen to it on the Civic Media app because other people have rights to that.

By the way, Travie, I heard that the NFL Red Zone for those diehard NFL people and TV was bought up by ESPN.

I've heard now it's no longer going to be commercial free.

So you subscribe to this red zone thing and you still gotta watch commercials.

I have it.

Have you ever subscribed to that?

I have not.

Yeah, because the thing is that you can't get the Packers out here unless you have a Sunday ticket.

In fact, when we first moved back, which would have been like 2007, we were in this

My wife was working for the Lithuanian Embassy, so they had this awesome apartment overlooking the mall, but it was up on the 13th floor, and we only had this small balcony.

And the first thing I did before she got over there was called Direct TV, even though it was a junk till this season,

and

put this huge frickin' dish up there.

So when you went out on the balcony, you couldn't see anything, because the dish was up there.

And honestly, if that apartment had been facing the wrong direction, I'd have been like, okay, we're moving.

Cuz after after all those years to live in overseas having to just listen on the radio.

I was like, there's no way I'm not having the packer games.

Not there's anything wrong with listening on the radio, by the way.

I

like

listening on the radio from over there,

but

actually, you know, I am one of those guys.

I turned the sound off because

I

can't stand Troy Aikman and Joe Buck.

I just assumed to go to the dentist and listen to a drill as those two.

Oh, yeah.

My roommates

flapper hats.

My roommates love playing compilations of those two being stupid.

They're morons.

Well,

you can.

But so I listened to the radio while the game is on and the radio is usually ahead of the TV.

Yeah.

There you go.

See.

Which is kind of nice because I

have my headphones on and then I predict to my daughter.

So it's going to happen next.

They think you're a genius.

Somehow I'm not able to do that when we're actually at the games that are live.

But when we're watching on TV, I can usually tell them what's going to happen next.

Matt in Richland Center

over a great UPS drivers who listens to us on the route.

Little, little salty over Trig V once again.

pick it on the Vikings, Matt says, quote, why is he always trashing the Vikes?

Just where I start to like him again.

Gosh, the Vikes are winning the North, Matt says.

Yeah, you can tell Matt it's all Quinn Armstrong's fault because every day when I'd wear my packer hat to Greenwood Elementary, take it and throw it up on the roof.

And then I have to go up there and get it down.

You were a bully.

Terry in the- Yes!

Terry!

Terry Parr checking in.

Packers on the radio all the way.

That's right.

Wayne Laird the Rock.

Yeah, right.

I know Max

McGee and Jim Ruin back in the day.

I used to because though for my money that was the most enjoyable.

I mean you care of baseball but boy Jim Ruin and Max McGee back when the Packers were bad and Max would be you know X number of beers in by the third quarter and some of the stuff he'd come up with was just fantastic.

You know, he married a girl from River Falls, Max McGee.

Really?

I didn't know

that.

So, yeah, he'd always come for Christmas

to Ezekiel.

Really?

Oh, God,

yeah.

It was like a Christmas present for everybody at Ezekiel Lutheran Church, because Max McGee would be there.

You know, it's like Christmas Eve.

He's there with the wife and kids and his in-laws.

He just wants to get home and everybody's

like...

No, I mean, they were just a great broadcasting duo back in the day, Max McGee.

Do

you remember Chichi's?

The restaurants?

Oh,

Chichi?

Yeah, he was owner of that, part owner, right?

Yeah.

Max McGee.

He

owned the franchise, yeah.

He's a really

successful business guy.

Yeah.

He was a character.

Sometimes his descriptions and stuff were just outrageous, probably not at...

Federal communication No,

I mean the stories he told us some of those early Super Bowl games with Lombardi and Bart Starr and and all those people just just crazy because he it wasn't I remember

Go ahead.

I was listening one time and the Packers had this guy Vince Workman who was a running

bag

and they ran this play.

It was when homegrown first came where far went back and kind of wrapped the ball around.

It was a draw play and Jim Erwin says, what on earth was that?

And Max is like, it's the enema draw.

It's like what and he's like, yeah, that's what LaBarda used to call it.

We used to have that in the playbook.

It's the enema draw.

Oh,

my gosh.

That's I mean, the

rock, the rock is pretty good.

Yeah.

Max McGee was one of the best color commentary guys.

It's a little bit

like, you know, Troy Aikman and Joe Buck or Tom Brady and these guys, they're not like Pat Summerall and Madden.

No.

Like, like.

Or Howard Cosel.

The more buttoned up today, a lot of them.

You know, yeah, yeah, I was Tony Romo is pretty good though.

Yes.

Romo is very good Terry says, you know, I covered the team in the nineties run to the Super Bowl.

Well, I didn't know that.

Good times.

Yeah.

That was a that's fantastic.

It was good.

Well, I appreciate you joining us today.

Not exactly a lot of politics, but you know, once in a while, we got to have some fun, especially when the Packers get ready to kick off the

off

the season.

More of

the world than politics, Todd.

Everybody needs to take a deep breath once in a while.

I

wrote about that on Substack.

I got a hockey

game

tonight.

That's going to be my hour and 15 minutes where I don't think about any of this that's going on in the world.

That's the good reminder that we all need to step away once in a while from the hyper partisan stuff or the political stuff or even the news and and do something fun with that sport.

whether it's getting out for a walk or whatever it is, take care of our mental health, take care of each other, right?

And appreciate the fact that we are in a great state like the state of Wisconsin.

So I don't

have to think about how about Pat, bullying me about my age or anything.

All right, Trammy, we appreciate you, my friend.

Enjoy the Packers kickoff this week.

All right, thanks, man.

We'll talk soon talk to you soon.

Come on back.

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And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Albaugh along with Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board, our producer and engineer.

It's six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two of the big broadcast here on Wednesday, the 3rd of September, 2025.

It's a great day to be Wisconsinite, and it is

pump day.

That's right.

Glad to have you along here.

Many thanks to Pat Krightlow of Mornings of Pat Krightlow, powered by Up North News.

You can hear him every morning from six until nine.

And also to Trig V. Olsen, senior advisor at the Lincoln Project.

And yes, yes, for this week, we remind you, a owner of the Green Bay Packers as well, like so many folks are, at least on paper.

Glad to have them both along for a Wednesday.

And yeah.

Didn't do quite as much politics as we do attract me, but still was it was a lot of fun And sometimes as he said you gotta just take time to pause reflect and enjoy other parts of life.

Yeah, if you don't you'll go crazy

Absolutely coming up.

We'll take a couple of look some news out of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel here Following up what we were talking about last hour Republican governor candidates Bill Barry and and Josh Shulman are now signaling their support

for troops in Milwaukee.

We'll talk a little bit about that.

Give you my opinion why I think that's a bad idea, by the way.

And we'll also have a little fun this hour as well.

Looking forward to what's worse, talking about the Brewers maybe a little bit.

They are back in action.

We talked Packers last hour.

Brewers back in action tonight.

as the Philadelphia Phillies and Brewers resume their action at 605 on all of our stations, the Brewers Radio Network, including WRCE and Richland Center, WISS and US and Oshkosh, WRJN, I think, in Kenosha and Racine, and WCQM in Park Falls, and our newest affiliate, WBZH and beautiful Hayward, Wisconsin.

So, Brewers, drop the first game.

that series kind of a weird thing they had 19 days straight down that they played until they finally had a day off and they had that really important day off for them and so the Philadelphia Phillies and the Brewers getting underway tonight at 6 0 5 so we've got I think we have a little cut here from Mizorowski Jacob Mizorowski who pitched pretty well but got the loss on Monday

for the Brewers.

He spoke afterwards to the gaggle of reporter, including our own Mike Clemens, talking about getting a little bit of time off after that long stretch.

Here's Miz.

Everyone needs it.

I think it's just, you know, it was a grind going through these, what, 19 games, right?

Something like that.

So it's, you know, it's just, it's a long stretch and, you know, everyone's going to enjoy the off day.

Jacob Mizorowski on looking forward to that off day yesterday for the Brew Crew.

got some a little drama on Monday as well.

As Pat Murphy for only the second time this season, Murphy, of course, the manager for the Milwaukee Brewers, National League manager of the year last year and only in his premier season after Craig Council bolted for the evil and dreaded Cubs.

By the way, Murph got tossed on Monday.

And what happened was it was the second time in the game where something called a check swing.

So the pitcher pitches and the batter starts the swing and and if the rule is well Murphy will explain it but if the bat basically the barrel the back crosses the leg then that whether their wrist breaks or not doesn't matter that's counted as a swing and it happened once to a right-handed batter and so they

the one to the left handed batter and they went to the first base umpire and he's like he's like uh or the third base umpire he's in no swing and it happened again and the first base umpire said no swing and mirf could see that one and he got a little mouthy and he was gone so here's murphy talking about getting tossed on monday

you

know umpires

have a hard job they have a hard job what i don't like is when they're definitive that they got it right and then i see what i see after the game and you can see the barrels out in front of his front leg

Tell me how the barrel can be in front of his front leg at any moment and it not be a swing.

So I'm not, again, that's a tough call from the angle he's at.

He does the best he can.

And that's all I can say.

Pat Murphy, manager for the Brewers.

I obviously had calmed down, but I think with the point he was making was I went back and looked at the replay like everybody saw on TV and clearly he, the barrel, the bat.

Went in front of the leg and it was clearly should have been a strike.

You were there's offers

Yeah, I everyone was very upset.

It was really loud booing for the at the umpires They do have a hard job.

I wouldn't want to be them my roommate Elliot also there with me.

He is

huge into baseball.

He's been to like 70 MLB games And keep score at each one He said that the rule is not about it going past the leg.

It's about going past a line

I don't remember what he called it, but there's a line on the ground.

Um, and I said, why don't they just have an aerial camera that they can check it?

And he's like, well, sometimes there's dirt over the line and then you won't be able to see it.

I'm like, well, I still think they should have a camera.

Yeah, it was, it was pretty controversial, but, uh, the replay clearly showed that it should have been a strike.

But yeah, if

that's the rule, if the rule is can't go past the leg, should have been a

strike.

Murphy to know what the rule is.

I do too.

I am

saying my Elliot also knows a lot about baseball.

I'm

sure he does, but if I had to choose with all respect to Elliott, I'd go with Pat Murphy's call on that.

But yeah, that's a good point.

And regardless, Murphy was tossed, Ricky Weeks got to manage for what, two innings, something like that.

And so.

Like an

inning and a half.

An inning and a half-ish.

But the Brewers, like they have not before the season, were not able to pull it out.

And by the way, the Cubs lost that day.

But they did win yesterday.

So the lead is now down to five games for the crew over the Cubs in the National League Central Division.

They get back underway later on tonight pregame show, as we said, at 605 Philadelphia against the Brewers on many of these great stations.

It's coming up on 13 minutes past the hour of three o'clock.

Time once again for what's worse.

Let's

go.

Time once again for what's worse, nothing to wait, no prize, nobody involved, just your chance to have your voice heard on several of these Civic Media Station 10, 10 and counting right now.

All right, this is timely, timely indeed, as we say, as Mike Lucas says, because weather is changing.

You can feel it today outside, had to wear a jacket walking around, and you can also see in the forecast highs only in the 50s and 60s, next couple of days.

So we ask you today,

category.

What's worse?

Early winter or early fall?

Early winter or early fall?

Jim from Brookfield has already weighed in on what I said before.

I gave the tease, as they say, and I teased ahead to tomorrow.

So you already know what tomorrow's worth.

Tomorrow is gas.

Not that I'm going to have gas tomorrow, but we'll see.

Well, at least we don't have to share a studio.

So that's

true.

But not tomorrow's today is early winter or early fall, early winter or early fall.

What's worse, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

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What's worse, early winter or early fall.

eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Our own Casper, one of our great engineers texting in saying early winter is much, much worse.

Why do we live where the air hurts our faces?

Good question.

Dana calling in or texting in, I should say, up at beautiful La Crosse, Wisconsin.

By the way, we haven't gotten to Joe gow yet.

Oh see La Crosse will get to that in a minute Dana in La Crosse says anything winter especially early is by default world worse.

I'll take an early fall KM and Appleton early winter is frustrating in a rear wheel, but other people's yards make excellent donut practice

Okay, I mentioned just talking about difficult to drive but

You know, don't do donuts.

Don't do

that.

Judy in Lodi tag listing in a WMDX is definitely early winter is worse because it's cold and probably snowing.

I don't like the cold and snow.

All right, Judy, thank you very much.

Barb and beautiful walkie-shot on WAUK says, I love this cool weather.

So I'm saying early winter is worse.

eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

What's worse, early winter or early fall?

PJ on YouTube says early winter is worse, saying I dislike snow.

This is very fascinating for me.

I didn't know it would be quite this lopsided so far.

You didn't?

No.

Because everyone else did that we talked to.

Well, we talked to Luke beforehand.

He was

like, everyone's going to say early winter's worse.

And I was like, yeah,

everyone's probably

going to say early winter's worse.

Do you have an argument otherwise?

Well, just wait.

Just wait getting very salty today, Saunders.

I didn't mean to be

salty.

Tammy, listening to Virginia.

Thank you, Tammy, for tuning us in in beautiful Virginia.

By the way, it's for lovers, Virginia.

Early winter, she says, is worse unequivocally.

Jim in Brookfield says early.

Here we go.

All right, here we go.

Early fall is worse, says Jim, because it marks the end of summer and outdoor activities.

There really isn't too much of a change in activities between fall and early winter.

Now, see, that's a good argument.

Yeah, but also you can still do summer stuff if it's a little colder most of the time.

Are you going to go to the water parks?

Probably

not.

Are you going to go swimming in the lake if it's like 60 and windy?

I mean, probably not.

Carolyn in Heartland answering our question, what's worse, early fall or early winter?

Carolyn in Heartland says early winter in capital letters, absolutely worse with three exclamation points.

Scott on WMDX in Madison says.

Early fall is worse because retailers have been marketing fall items in August.

It's getting absolutely ridiculous out there.

Next thing

we know, Black Friday sales will start in March.

That's very true.

I think that's a great point, by the way, because, yeah, it seems like the 4th of July now is over and suddenly now you see everything fall.

And like Walgreens especially, they're always putting stuff out early.

Scott.

in Madison on MDX as early as the one

we just read.

Oh, sorry about that.

Thank you.

I'm sorry.

Kurt in beautiful Monroe texting in on MDX as early fall is worse.

This can interfere with kayaking.

He is 100 percent right.

OK,

so it's stuff on the water.

I

guess for me personally, I will say that I prefer to be outside in fall weather more so than summer weather.

I understand.

Yes, I'm weird because I

would say we're unusual atypical.

Well, you just have a certain heating system internally.

Run too hot.

You run too hot.

What's worse, early winter or early fall, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two, eight, five, five, seven, five, two, four, eight, four, two.

Give us a call.

I will tell you my take on this because I wrote today's what's worse.

I don't usually write a bunch of them, but today, this was, this was mine.

And like, like Zomber said, I got some heat about this in the, in the meetings today.

But I'm glad that people shared their opinions that differed because then I get to learn and be less salty.

All right, I'll tell you what's worse, the correct answer.

Early summer or early fall on the other side and some special music for us today on the show.

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Uh, anyway, uh, we're right in the middle of what's worse for today.

About to wrap it up here.

What's worse early winter or early fall?

Appreciate all the responses and yes, I get it is overwhelmingly one way.

Let's read a couple more of these before before we get out of here Have a listener here in WCFW the tap

Brand new listener.

We appreciate them calling in says any sentence that has the word winter in it is worse.

Okay.

Very good.

Len in Madison.

Early winter is worse.

I want that early frost to shut down the mosquitoes.

Well, that's some parts of the state.

They've been pretty bad, particularly late in the summer.

So that that's a great point.

The land and beautiful Wanderers Wanderers in the town.

I don't know.

I love that.

Luanne and Wanderuz.

Let's look that up.

Wanderuz, Wisconsin says like the end of light.

I like the end of hot and muggy.

Hate winter.

Wanderuz is an unincorporated community located in the town of Garfield.

Love

it.

Nicely done.

I want to do a show from Wanderuz.

Henry in Madison on WMDX as early winter usually means a brutal December and January.

And Jim and Brookfield says, yes, Zomers, it's water related.

Once early fall arrives, outdoors swimming is over.

For those who love summer's swimming, it's depressing.

Thank you, Jim and Brookfield.

Landon Madison says early winter is worse.

I want, oh, there's a repeat of the other one.

I want the mosquitoes go away.

It likes a long, can we, I'm not sure.

Can you say Indian summer anymore?

I guess, I don't know.

I don't

know if there's a

replacement phrase yet.

Yeah, I'm not sure what else do you call it, right?

Because that's when you know, it gets real when you have an early, early year fall stretch like we're having now, then it might heat back up to like the 80s for three or four or five days in late September, early October, and then the real fall starts.

So yeah, I.

For me early fall is and I love fall is my favorite season of the of the year But to my friend Kurt's point it may mean that we don't get out kayaking as much or to Jim's point You know, I I like being around water.

I like being on the water So yeah early fall means the end of those types of activities sooner for me once I'm into fall Then you know because when I was growing up as a kid It was not necessarily unusual to get

Not like a couple of inches, but like tracking snow the last week in October, first week in November.

That was not unusual.

I know now with global warming and stuff, it is.

So I guess once I'm into kind of the middle of September and the September fall, I mean, hey, if it gets cold a little earlier, not a big deal.

But I don't like this abrupt end to summer.

I honestly am kind of discombobulated about seasons.

I'm not, I'm going to be real.

The, uh, with, you know, climate change and everything, when I was little, I could feel a definitive like, okay, winter is going to happen around this time.

We're going to get about this much snow.

Now I'm like, I don't know.

This week it's 80 in three days.

It's 40 degrees.

We have no snow all December there.

It's summer again in January.

Like it's just, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but the seasons are all over the place now.

They are.

Well, there we go.