Carrying A Gun Requires Responsibility (Hour 2)

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

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It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Wednesday, August 13th, 2025.

It's a great day to be a Wisconsinite, and it is... Pump Day!

That's right.

Halfway through the work week.

Glad to have you along.

What a day it is if you're watching on the stream Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, X, Twix, whatever you want to call it.

I am adorned in Milwaukee Brewer gear, my number eight Bob Uker jersey today.

along with Mr. Pat Crite low host of sorry about that.

Morning to Pat Crite low, but also up

north

news.

Every morning from six until nine.

And from the demilitarized zone, Trigby Olson, the senior advisor to the Lincoln Project just outside the occupied nation's capital.

It's a big day, gentlemen, because the Brewers are going for win number 12 in a row.

No, we're not supposed to talk about it.

But if they win today, free hamburgers at George Web and the brewers just got another run, they are up two to nothing right now.

And in the third, two, nothing in the third brewers.

So it's a great day to be a walk.

You're a fan of

that.

It sure is.

But and I I don't mean to be passive aggressive, but that is my default setting.

And.

If the pirates by chance come back to win this, I can boldly predict the brewers will then start another 11 game winning streak.

Just, it's just keeping, you know, they're watching our diet.

You guys don't, you don't need those free hamburgers, you know.

They'll win 11 here, 11 there and pretty soon.

Yeah, pretty soon you got yourself.

a division title, but no burgers.

It could be on the

Milwaukee Brewers are now the only these second team in the National League to win have two.

11 game win streaks since the Cubs in like 1930s.

1935.

Yeah, thank you, Pat.

1935.

So

it's been quite a run here so far by the Brewers and trying to extend it tonight or this afternoon.

And right now on many of our stations across the Civic Media Ready Network on the broadcast side, because we cannot stream the Brewers, but glad to have you along.

We'll keep track of that as the afternoon progresses.

Got to hear a little bit from Christine Yellich.

Really great guy.

I think by all accounts is somebody that Bob Uker, the late great Bob Uker took under his wing along with Bud Selig and other people that were longtime parts of the organization early on when they acquired him from Miami along with Robin Yacht and really explained the culture and the history of Milwaukee to.

to Christie Yelich, and he has really become the leader of that quiet, but very, very important leader of that clubhouse.

So we're going to hear a little bit from him later on in the show.

Also going to be talking a little bit about what's going on in Alaska.

This Friday trivia also, of course, has done a lot of work around the globe against authoritarianism, going to be getting insight onto, can we expect anything coming out of Alaska on, on Friday?

Can I sum it up in one word, please?

capitulation.

If I have to do it in two words, Neville Chamberlain.

Okay,

I'll stop now.

Also, I'll talk a little bit about Washington D.C.

where Trig V lives just outside of the federal takeover by the Trump administration there.

Why the statistics, or as we say back home, statistics show otherwise.

So actually crime was going down in D.C.

And what is this all about?

Could it be perhaps the Epstein files?

We'll talk about that.

Wisconsin Governors Race made a little bit of semi-news yesterday.

State's Eric Keller Royce was on the program, didn't exactly announce her bid for governor, but came pretty darn close.

So we'll talk a little bit about that as well.

What are the Republican candidates for governor?

Mayor Marion Barry, no, Baryon.

Bill Baryon wants to have uncontrolled concealed carry in Wisconsin.

Why that's probably not a great idea.

And we'll ask Trigvie Olson, one of the owners of the Green Bay Packers, why the headline reads Love Hurts or or or is hurt.

We'll talk about all those things.

But first of all, gentlemen, welcome.

Trigvie, welcome back from from Europe.

Do you have a little jet lag today?

So much jet lag, it's the computer that actually had the jet lag apparently.

He started answering that question.

He

started and

then he just, but a big, but a boom.

Yeah.

Anyway,

he's magically read.

I'm back.

Yes.

So I am, I am jet lagged.

Yes.

Yes.

And so is your computer, but

we'll, we'll, we'll model through.

It's fine.

How was the trip?

The family was over there.

Are they still there?

You have to come back alone.

They're still there.

All

right.

Yeah.

Uh, the trip was good.

I.

I worked kind of a lot and we went to the beach in Lithuania, which is a little like going to the beach in Bayfield, except I think further north.

It rained pretty much and was 68 degrees, so not really great swimming beach weather.

Well, we're glad you're back.

Glad to have some time with the family.

Well, I got to do Pat's show while I was there, which was a real honor.

In the afternoons the only way he'll do a morning show

in the afternoon

It turns

out

very big in Eastern Europe in the afternoons

in

drive

late My numbers there were incredible dominates drive time in Slovenia That

was great that was that was fun

but Trigby didn't have to get up early in the morning to appear on past programs.

So that was great.

I'd be remiss if we'd been talking about this last couple of days and Trigby had been traveling, so perhaps you didn't hear about Milwaukee.

The greater Milwaukee area, Southeast Wisconsin, has been hit particularly hard over the weekend by flash flooding.

And I know many people in our listening area in Milwaukee, W-A-U-K, Milwaukee, Glendale, you know, Menominee Falls, Wauwatosa, all those places, many people are still

literally digging out sewage and water, what not, are their basements.

Many people can no longer be in those homes.

And so our thoughts, our hearts, our prayers, good vibes to them.

I know that Mayor Kevlar Johnson in Milwaukee has declared emergency declaration there also.

County Administrator or Executive Paul Farrow in Waukesha County.

Governor Evers has done what he can to declare an emergency area.

But Pat, I want to get your thoughts on what does this hold up because so far we haven't spent a couple of hours since I was able to check.

But to date that I know of the Trump administration has yet to declare a federal disaster in that part of Wisconsin, which is holding up FEMA help.

But it seems like to me this should be a time where people should be able to set aside

politics to get real help.

Well, somebody needs to just remind Donald Trump that Wisconsin actually went for Donald Trump in the election because that apparently is how you decide whether disaster areas get aid.

There are still places from storms last year waiting on aid.

California is still waiting on aid.

And frankly, and look, go ahead and call me negative.

Call me cynical.

I don't care.

I've seen enough of this guy that it would not surprise me, would not surprise me in the least if he did declare a declaration for Waukesha County and Ozaki County and Washington County.

Am I missing somebody?

Yes, I am.

Would he do that?

Yes, he would.

Trevi, thoughts?

I agree with Pat.

I think it is, it is, I think just about anywhere is potentially on the table.

Yeah, let's so let's let's make it more positive kind of and give give some thanks to Earl Ingram who still came on the show this morning despite everything he's going through with three feet of water in his basement and I asked him going into the segment I said was your basement finished and he said it finished two times over it was finished and now it is finished so he and so many other people I mean they just they have to rip

everything out because in his case and a lot of people's cases it came up through the sewer is what backed up and yeah our parts are really with them and I really hope hope our federal government is with them but you know it's not the kind of thing you should have to hope

before we pay our taxes for a reason.

Yeah.

I totally agree.

I know very many things for Earl for having to take the time to come on your show this morning.

Pat, I know, been listening to our friend and colleague Jane McNair, who lives kind of on the border of Wabatoza in Milwaukee.

She's been open on her show.

She had a few inches, not feet, but inches of clear water, non-sewage water.

And that was a hard enough thing to deal with.

So, you know, our friends, our colleagues are dealing with this.

I'm just kidding because I just believe that we should all band together in

in times like these.

So I listen to a lot of civic stuff and occasionally go over and listen to other radio as well.

And I just want to give out a shout to Steve Scafidi on TMJ because I think he had a really important point.

And rather than saying another network, I just think it's important that all of us in broadcasting band together, if we have a signal in the Milwaukee area to work together.

And he made this point today on their show is to, if you know a veteran.

or an elderly person in your neighborhood that doesn't have family around where go knock on their door and just check on them because we're getting to this time 48 hours after an event like this where mold could be life threatening and and they could be so I mean and sometimes people that are shut in just get overwhelmed and they don't know who to call and they just hunker and so let's check on each other folks in the Milwaukee area on WA UK's listening area check on one another and and make sure that

We're all OK,

because we should be in this together.

Please, please be specific about that when you talk about this is in the Milwaukee area, because we're getting to the age now that when you say check on the elderly, Trigvie and I both hear the doorbells ring and we're like, we're fine.

We're fine.

Yeah,

I know.

Trigvie, what is that juice box that you keep going back to?

Is that?

Does

Madame Musil come in a juice

box now?

What?

No, premier protein.

Gotcha.

All right.

Strong.

Let's put a couple later.

When you get old, Pat, you've got to keep yourself in good shape.

You're going to go out and play hockey with the children.

Let's spend a couple of minutes here before the break.

Trigby, you live just outside of Washington, D.C.

This week, Donald Trump announced and did it very quickly.

Never included the mayor of Washington, D.C.

in this.

You had to watch it on a press conference like the rest of us did.

It took a federal control of the police force, the Metropolitan Police Force in Washington, D.C.

We have active duty military now.

I should say, at least for now, a national guard, but threatening to put active duty military on the streets in D.C.

You live in that area.

What have you seen so far?

What's the vibe like so far?

I got to be honest with you, Todd.

I go into the district so rarely.

I'm like the worst suburban guy ever.

I think if you were to count the number of times I've been in the district since the beginning of the year, I can only think of two off the top of my head.

But so I don't really know what's going on.

You live below the street.

Beyond the fact that I do know that, you know,

Violent crime has been down in the district for something like 30 years.

It ebbs and flows.

There was a little bit after the pandemic.

I just think what we're seeing here is classic autocrat, right?

Create the chaos or claim that there's chaos and use whatever you have to use.

In this case, a guy named Big Ball's getting beaten up who was part of Doge.

So Trump probably knew him, but use that as the pretext.

spread your message far and wide to your supporters that there is this unknown problem, that it really is a problem where you've just made the problem, and then respond by doing something that solidifies power.

And I think it's not, you know, it's a really bad sign that you're going to be deploying National Guard in sort of uncertain circumstances.

And some of the other things we're talking about, it's antithetical to what the United States has always been.

And quite frankly, in some cases, it may not even be constitutional.

And as bad as it is, and it is bad, but let's again keep in mind what this is at its heart.

It is also a distraction to try to get people not to talk about Trump showing up in the Epstein files.

They're throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks, and they're willing to go further if need be.

We're gonna come back, talk more about what's going on in Washington, D.C., Epstein files.

A little bit of a takeover, at least on the streets and the police department there.

Also talk a little baseball for you on the other side as well.

Some words from Christian Yellich.

The Brewers are up right now to nothing on parts of the Civic Media Running Network where you're listening to The All Ball Show across Wisconsin.

Stay tuned.

Laying out in the dog days of August sun on his pier in beautiful Lake Wissota in the afternoon.

You can hear him every morning from six until nine.

The suntan, the rested, the ready.

Pat Critello of warnings of Pat Critello joins us from his

Studios on the four mentioned the aforementioned lake was soda and joining us from the Tony suburbs of Washington DC Arlington, Virginia Trigby Olson senior advisor to the Lincoln Project gentlemen the Milwaukee Brewers trying to go for 12 in a row at Amfam Field in Milwaukee on many of these stations across civic media have just gone up now Three to nothing correction

four really that is why is my is my my feet is behind that much

Holy macaroni.

No, it happened back to back.

Third run in the

fourth run came already

quickly here.

So, yeah.

So how about that?

Right

now, thank you, Pat.

Appreciate that.

Brewers have a seven and a half game lead on the Chicago Cubs and the National League Central.

More importantly, for a lot of people across Wisconsin, the Brewers are going to win today.

It's free hamburgers at George Webb.

More on that later.

I know you're not supposed to talk about it, but they're up for nothing.

I feel pretty good right now.

Not feeling so great if you're in the Trump White House these days, because you kind of hope that the people that got you there will stick with you.

Joe Rogan, we don't play a lot of Joe Rogan on this show, but occasionally, because the reason I do is I think it's important to acknowledge one of these bigger silos where people are getting their news and information from, and Joe Rogan certainly has.

A larger silo in the podcast fear and in the information sphere was kind of a Trump guy going into the election speaks to a certain amount of people He recently I'm not this week.

I think a day or two ago.

He had this to say Just putting it down there where the chickens could get at it on the the Epstein files and Trump

and the distractions.

Here's Joe Rogan.

So

Here's what I don't get he's been sitting on the Epstein files this whole time and every time someone brings it up suddenly There's some brand new emergency Putin gets to keep part of Ukraine Job numbers are fake.

Let's investigate Leticia James Investigate Jack Smith.

It's like dude.

Just release the files if your name's not in there You'd think you'd want everyone to see him right but instead it's constant shiny distractions while the one thing that matters just

stays locked up if if look man if you still think he's playing 40 chess I hate to break it to you the guys barely playing checkers and he's eating the pieces I mean come on how much it before you realize your alpha male is just an 80 year old dude with early dementia spray tanning his face at 3 a.m.

While rage tweeting about Rosie

Joe Rogan of the Joe Rogan experience pack right

low

Well, first off, okay, I'm glad when he has these moments of recognition, because he far too often has these moments where he's doing little more than spreading misinformation, all in the name of thinking out loud.

I'm just thinking out loud.

He reminds me of that Edward R. Murrow saying, just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are any wiser than when it only reached to the other end of the bar.

And so if he's figured it out, then

I don't know what's stopping other people and frankly very little is stopping other people except the most devoted acolytes.

There are I'm confident so many more people that have now turned on Trump than before simply because

this one seems pretty easy.

And I don't mean easy like, you know, he did something or he didn't do something.

I just mean easy like he flip flopped on this on a dime and people are right to be suspicious.

Jim and Brookfield listening to WAUK says, quote, I would hardly call Joe Rogan a person of substance.

However, his media reach should not be underestimated.

Vice President Harris had gone on to show a couple of times results might have been different.

Thanks, Jim and Brookfield.

Trigme.

I think, you know, at the end of the day, the thing about dealing with sort of autocratic actors and what they do that's hard for people to wrap their heads around is somebody like Joe Rogan might not have been your ally at one point, but when he's speaking the way he was just speaking, he's your ally.

And hence, you're on the same side as Joe Rogan.

All right, good.

Maybe Joe Rogan continues it.

Maybe he doesn't.

But in this moment, you would think that that's helping to at least raise some questions in the minds of the people who listen to him and view him as factual.

Hence, if you know somebody who's like that, and you're concerned about what's happening, it's a good time to engage that person.

Not about what you think, but about what are they thinking and how do you move them to be seeing what I think is pretty obvious, which

Clearly Joe Rogan is seen.

Donald Trump is in the Epstein files and quite frankly, probably, you know, spent a lot of time with Jeffrey Epstein.

Pat, before I let you go, I want to get your take on this.

Kelder Royce was on our show yesterday.

She's been on your show a number of times.

Other potential and Democratic candidates for governor bet on.

I want to get your take as a Democratic former state senator in the legislature.

What's your opinion?

What are Democratic candidates for governor?

That's going to be the key to winning that nomination.

It's going to be winability.

It's going to be who who can win in a statewide contest against somebody who's going to be a Trump conservative.

It might be Bill Barion.

I'm sure it won't be, but it might be a Bill Barion who is now taking the side of mass shooters.

You know, he believes mass shooters have more rights than our children have rights to not be murdered.

And I know you're going to get into that, but it's going to be somebody in that vein.

And so.

who is the right person to go up against them.

And I know that sounds like it's it's a lot of theater, for example.

But these are candidates that won't have a lot of disagreements on policy.

So it really is going to come down to in many cases, style points.

Keller Royce is going to point to her experience.

Sarah Rodriguez is going to point to her time as Lieutenant Governor.

I'm confident others are going to get into the race.

And they're all looking at this race the way that Tony Evers got the nomination.

He looked like the guy who had the best chance against

got Walker and it worked.

And that's probably what's going to rule the roost this next year too.

We're going to come back to the other side of

the Pam Yankee Farm Midwest Farm Report update because Kelder Royce gave what I asked her about how she wins the nomination.

She gave, in my opinion, a very non-standard democratic answer.

I want Trigvie's opinion on that on the other side.

But Pat Krightlow always gives interesting takes and opinions every morning from six until nine on mornings of Pat Krightlow.

Thank you, Mr. Krightlow.

Have a nice afternoon and like with soda.

Six nothing brewers, you bet.

Gonna do it.

Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

See you later.

Come on back.

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It is now 35 minutes past the hour of two o'clock.

Many thanks to Pat Crichtlow for joining us as he does every Wednesday.

He can tune him in every morning, Monday through Friday, six until nine on the Civic Media Ready Network for mornings with Pat Crichtlow.

Joining us for the rest of this hour, our friend, our colleague, our ongoing contributor, River Falls Boy, graduate of UW Eau Claire, the Blue Golds, as they call them.

Now, the senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, joining us from just outside of Washington, D.C., Mr. Trigvie Olson, who's recovering from a little jet lag, was over in Europe.

But he's back and look, even, even a jet lag Trigvie is kind enough to join us.

So there you go.

That's all rattled by bones, apparently.

Yep.

That's tuned by the

suburbs.

By

the

suburbs.

Jeff

Perry.

Our friend and ongoing contributor dialing it in on Facebook.

We appreciate that.

Mr. Perry.

He knew exactly right away.

Big fan apparently.

So Trigby had a jet like trade.

By the way, the, uh, I know Trigby, you are a, uh, one of your few, you don't have many faults at all.

I'm not y'all called a fault, but, uh, other than because he grew up in the greater twins market area, he happens to be a twins fan.

But you don't hate the Brewers necessarily.

But you're a Twins fan.

But the Brewers now up six to three.

Pittsburgh, making a little bit of a game of it here at the top of the fifth.

They were up six.

Nothing.

Pirates have scored three so far here in the fifth.

Many of those are Civic Media Stations.

Carrying that game right now will continue to update it for you.

Train me before the break.

Talk a little bit about the...

Wisconsin gubernatorial race to correct the record because you filled in one day and you were interviewing Kelder Royce yourself, Senator Royce, and you said you'd walk back to Wisconsin to help her out if she ran.

And I then didn't hear that right away, and I came on as well.

Trigby said the two people he'd come back to walk Wisconsin for, for governor, our Republican Bill McCashen, who has said he's not going to run this time, and former Democratic, Wisconsin Democratic Party chair, Ben Wickler,

who has not made a decision yet.

And I forgot to add Senator Royce.

So she's also one.

That's correct, right?

It's true.

And you know, it's the same underlying rationale, right?

Like I would agree or disagree, you know, my personal politics more with some than others.

But at the end of the day with each of those three, they passed.

the most important tests.

One, they generally care about the state of Wisconsin.

Two, they're proud to be from Wisconsin and will get out and be a cheerleader for the state constantly.

And three, they understand foundationally what are the things that have made the state such a unique place, conservation and our outdoor lifestyle.

protection of the University of Wisconsin system, the public education that's the core of our small-town communities, and that those are drivers of our economic well-being.

And so, well, they might have differences.

Certainly, a McCoshian administration would be different than a Royce administration from a point of emphasis.

But at the end of the day, what we need to be looking for is, first of all, are the politicians, are they good people who care about

the good, the common good of whatever they're being elected to represent.

And two, are they going to defend those things that make those places unique and special?

And I think that way, whether it's president of the United States or a state legislator.

Senator Royce

was on this program yesterday.

I want to play you her main answer here, Trevite, and get your input on this.

as someone who's run political races nationally and of course here in Wisconsin as well.

Here was Senator Royce's response to an Astra Point blank range on this program yesterday, whether or not she was going to run for the governor in the state of Wisconsin.

I am pretty likely to run for governor in 2026.

I

can't

make an announcement this very second, but when I think about the opportunities that we have in our state,

and the need for a really strong leader with a lot of experience getting things done in a politically purple state.

I feel really excited about my chances and about what we could do together in this state.

Any idea of a timeline for an official announcement on running for governor?

Well, certainly my plan is to wait until people are a little bit more engaged in paying attention.

I don't think anybody needs a 13 month primary.

I really hope.

I mean, I hope everybody's out here listening to your show.

But I hope they're doing it at the pool or on a nice hike or getting their kids yet another snack, right?

And then once, you know, we're back into the swing of things with fall, I think there will be some opportunities for.

Make

a big announcement.

After Labor Day, perhaps.

I think that's probably consistent.

All right, after kids get back into school.

And of course, you represent UW Madison.

Things getting back in the swing there.

A couple of minutes left here.

If you were, and it sounds like you're likely to win for governor, what would be your one or two top priority?

Well, I think the main thing is lowering costs for families, right?

We have got to get more money in people's pockets because so many Wisconsinites are feeling economically strained right now.

And they have every, you know,

every reason to be.

And it's only going to get worse under the Trump procession that we have coming and, you know, the chaos and the corruption that's coming out of Washington, the horrible devastating cuts that we're seeing in the budget, that is going to devastate the states.

That is really an attack on states like Wisconsin and every Wisconsinite, right?

So we really have to make sure that we have a governor that is ready to do the hard thing and stand up for Wisconsin families against cuts at the federal level.

and invest in the things that we need, like public education, health care, our infrastructure, our roads.

It looks like maybe Tom Tiffany is going to get in the Republican side, maybe not.

They're all focused so far.

It appears, I mean, Bill Bacoch instead of this program, that they're after Donald Trump's endorsement.

It seems like they're going after one person.

What's it going to take to win the Democratic endorsement?

Is there a particular constituency or what do you have to do to win the endorsement or the nomination first?

Well, I think, you know, my plan is I'm not going to be running for the Democratic nomination.

I'm running for governor.

And I want to appeal to people all across the state in every geographic region and every demographic case.

I, you know, I don't think you should ever try to be a governor or an executive if you think that you should only be appealing to certain demographics.

I don't like breaking people down and putting them in categories with labels.

I think, you know, whether you agree with me or disagree with me on an issue, I owe you.

the truth about my ideas and my willingness to listen.

That's the kind of governor I want to be, and I think that's the kind of governor that Wisconsinites want and deserve.

That was State Senator Kelly Royce on our program yesterday.

Trigby, put on your political consultant hat for a minute.

You hear that from a state senator, longtime Democrat, who is running into primary.

What are your first thoughts?

I mean...

It's a winning message, right?

Like, does it complicate things potentially, you know, in a primary?

I don't know enough about winning Democrat primaries to know.

I'll take Pat's counsel.

But it is a message that is set out that can appeal to both, should be able to appeal to people across the state of Wisconsin, most of the spectrum, outside of hardcore sort of MAGA.

People who vote always Republican and and that's kind of what you're looking for at this point in a race

I was just impressed the fact that she immediately said look I'm running for governor not for the Democratic nomination and and the fact that look she's been involved in Democratic politics a long time was in the assembly Before going to the state Senate ran for Congress once in a primary ran before against evers in a primary for governor, so I think that that

I'm not speaking for her, but my thought would be that look, I mean, I think she feels pretty confident about her base that she she's known to the Democratic base.

So I think she's kind of like, I don't have to.

I shouldn't have to reintroduce myself to the Democratic base.

I'm going to start right from the gate, trying to be inclusive and almost focus on in general.

I think it's a pretty good message.

Yeah, I think it's a really good message, really good message.

And it gets to sort of why we're saying that, you know,

somebody like you or me who might not agree with her solutions on all policies can believe that she would do a good job of representing the state and moving the state in a better direction and maybe one that's more unified around finding common solutions with whosoever in the legislature to

protect and augment and build off of those things that have been the foundation of what makes Wisconsin such an awesome place.

It's 44 minutes past the hour of two o'clock.

The Milwaukee Brewers got out of that tough fifth inning and believe six to three now.

Brewers up on the Pirates going to the bottom of the fifth inning.

We're talking with Trigvie Olson, Senior Advisor of the Lincoln Project.

Trigvie, let's change gears a little bit.

Going to be, let's be billed, although they're now they're kind of

talking it down, a summit between President Donald Trump and the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.

Some reports that Zelensky of Ukraine may end up being there as well.

Maybe not.

We don't know yet.

But the auspices were a sum up between Putin and Trump in Alaska of all places to somehow negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine.

But that's looking less and less like it might happen.

I wanted to go to the phone lines right away.

Matt and Milton have been waiting a long time.

Matt, I appreciate your patience because you wanted to have a question for trivia on this international topic.

Go ahead.

Hey, guys, thanks for what you do again.

So internationally around the world, we have this far-right, nationalistic, autocratic, cabal, you know, India, Pakistan, Hungary, Russia, China in one way, but they're a little different.

But the far-right, you know, this group that wants the theocratic, autocratic, Putin-esque kind of government that's very nationalistic,

They have a lot of influence online.

They have a lot of money.

They've been working their message for a while and Trump has certainly given them a lot of confidence having one again.

So my question is internationally, do you see any buildup on the more traditional conservative, liberal...

So I'd like everybody else are they pooling their resources or trying to mount a Resistance or what do you see on that front?

Thank you

That is that's a fantastic question and it's something that that with all I've done and sort of do You know that I've grappled with and I've talked with a lot of people about it the the hard answer is there's a lot of people talking about it But it has not necessarily come about

in the way that it probably needs to.

I had a conversation with some people in Europe about, you know, would it make sense to have almost a big like Davos of democracy someplace where people from all over would come in and talk about what's happening in their individual places.

You know, part of that I think is because for so long, you know, it was just the consensus of the West.

broader West, you know Europe and the United States to work together on these things at a governmental level now, that's Not the case and quite frankly we've as a country at a time when those others like I think both mega and non-mega would agree China probably doesn't have our best interests at heart Russia same We've eliminated

You know, I wrote a substack post about this.

We eliminated 2,000 frontline diplomats.

That would be like getting rid of fighter pilots in the military when your enemy is building their military.

Yeah, just not.

So it's kind of a long answer to say, no, but there are a lot of people sort of moving around.

And at some point, that has to happen.

Is it ironic trivia or maybe just sad that the summits you're talking about, I can remember when I worked for Kluge of the 90s and the German Marshall Fund, which is still a very prominent player around the world, but particularly in Europe, they would invite the United States to come in and have summits like this and democracy about other places in the world.

And now other places are talking about us.

Yeah, I mean, it's crazy really when you think about it.

There really is come on back talk a little sports and a little more politics as well with Trigby Olson Cedar visor Lincoln project more after this the all-bowl show in the civic media ready to work

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Welcome back to the Tahlebel show on the Civic Media Ready Network.

Eight minutes now before the hour of three o'clock and hour number two.

A little what's worse for you today, a French fry edition.

We'll talk about that.

Trigby Olson, Senior Advisors of Lincoln Project has stuck around here.

Gonna talk about love is have you heard it?

Did you see this trick me?

I don't want to get into it deep right now.

He's hurt Yeah,

they put

they put him in the first game for a preseason was already

or ligaments in his thumb.

I've done that I did that playing hockey.

It's not on his throwing hand.

He'll be fine.

Honestly,

when I tore ligaments in my

hand When I tore ligaments in my hand, they put a cast on me because the guy guts

And it was my right hand.

It annoyed me so bad.

I got over to Lithuania three days after they put the cast on.

I paid a hundred bucks.

I walked into a clinic and said, cut this thing off.

I can't stand it.

And the guy said, I don't think you should do that, the doctor.

And I said, do you want the hundred bucks or not?

He cut it off.

That's

classic treatment.

And now now exactly like the orthopedist said, I have arthritis in my thumb.

Imagine that.

Imagine that.

Welcome back.

We'll talk about Packers here a little bit later with Trig V want to give you an update now that going to the top of the sixth inning in Milwaukee and fan field brewers up on Pittsburgh six to three.

got out of that jam in the in the fifth and some of the brewers on now leading Pittsburgh six to three trying to get that 12 wing win in a row for those George Webb hamburgers will continue on with that.

Quick call 855-752-4842 Dick listening in Madison.

Dick want to make a quick comment on the brew crew.

What do you got, Dick?

Yeah, on the brew crew and real quick on Marshall Law in Washington.

What is their longest winning streak?

Do you know?

Ever?

I

believe it was 13 games

in

1987.

Yeah, and it was and I gave her the hint of telling her it was on a holiday early spring.

Yeah, Easter Sunday.

Yep.

I was working at

RCL, Richland Center, engineering that game of all things, but go ahead.

Can I can I ask you can I ask you guys a question?

Sure.

You're both big Brewers fans.

Do you know what Anne Thamfield and US Bank Stadium have in common?

What do they have in common?

Do you know Dick?

Same number as Dick, do you know?

Do not know.

Same number of championship trophies

Well, okay, but if you count if you count the Milwaukee Braves, what are the world championship on the same site, you know You

don't get to count that you sound like a Viking fan sound like your team plays in US Bank Stadium Wow

Wow, all right dick what he got quickly on on authoritarianism in DC

Well, I wish I could have came up with it, but Malcolm Nancy this morning.

He said, what happened to the city that was plenty safe enough to have his little parade this spring and not the worst place in the world?

Great

point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

I mean, I said yesterday, uh, Treg V on the show that, uh,

You know, and Trigley's not making these right.

Is this kid in Doge, a 19 year old under Elon Musk that went on social media and called himself Big Balls, quote unquote.

He got attacked by a group of feral teenage girls and they spit on him and along with give him a bloody nose.

And honestly, God, this is what triggered Trump to do all this because Big Balls got beat up by teenage girls and got spit on.

And I said the irony is the police capital police officers or spat on beaten.

and some died and still trippy Trump didn't want to call the National Guard for that.

Yeah, 100%.

I mean.

Here's the thing.

I, you know, I don't, as I said, I don't go in the district a lot, but I will tell you this, my daughter, who's a junior, gonna be, she's an incoming junior.

Did you know they all call themselves rising?

Like I'm a rising sophomore.

I hate that.

You're incoming.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there, but.

I did not know that.

Yeah, I know, seriously.

Zombers seem to

know, but I did not.

Yeah, all right.

Rising.

Really?

Come on.

But.

So she and her friends go to see women's basketball and and they'll go, you know, there's a group of them that like to go and They they go to a restaurant every couple of months together, you know in the district and see they all get dressed up in the district all by themselves and

Maybe I'm naive, but if I really thought that going to you know Dupont Circle to a restaurant was something that was dangerous for them It's not like they're going into Mogadishu and or whatever I mean my point's always

been there are places in Madison I wouldn't go at three o'clock in the morning, you know I mean just use your head

use your head and honestly a big balls was out walking around all messed up and got his ass

So he got his hind end kicked by a bunch of girls, like.

Apparently they're

very mean

girls, very

mean girls.

Apparently, yeah.

I forget what's the name of the girl who starred in that show, Mean Girls.

There's got to be somebody in the audience that knows that.

Lindsay Lohan.

Lindsay Lohan.

Yeah, I see.

Yeah, my daughters love that movie.

It's a fun movie.

It's like, it's a little bit like Pretty in Pink.

I never understood that one either.

That's a good

movie.

I got a minute left.

It's not as good as

the Shur thing.

No.

Go with John Cusick movies.

Minute left.

Any final thoughts on the summit, so-called summit between Trump and Putin on Friday?

Yeah.

I mean, I just think, you know, people need to look at this through the lens of is, is the ultimate outcome of this really?

in everybody's long-term best interest or is what the deal that gets caught in the short-term best interest of the two guys sitting there.

And that will tell you everything you need to know about the state of where America is versus where it was.

Reagan walked away from a deal with Gorbachev and Reykjavik.

Does anybody think that Donald Trump is going to walk away from it?

You know, Donald Trump seems to be doing what he's doing driven by some narcissistic need to win a Nobel Prize because Obama got one.

Did Ronald Reagan operate that way?

Did George W. Bush did?

You know, that's really, I think, what's most important.

Come on back.

Hour 2 is straight ahead.

McDonald's fries or Five Guys fries.

What's worse on the other side?

Also, talk a little bit about Jordan Love.

Trigme says he knows exactly what we'll cure him.

Come on back after this.

Hour 2 on the Civic Media.

Ready Network.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd Alba.

Across Wisconsin on the Civic Media Radio Network.

and streaming worldwide on the Civic Media app.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Todd Alba, along with Mr. Aaron Zabers, our producer and engineer on the board.

It's six past the hour of three o'clock.

Welcome into hour number two of the big program on this Wednesday, August 13th, 2025.

It is a great day to be in Wisconsinite, and it is... Pump Day!

That's right.

Halfway through the work week.

Always glad to have you along here for the World Headquarters of Civic Media in downtown Madison on State Street.

Sunny skies.

Zomers haven't seen sunny skies downtown Madison here in a bit, but not really much smoke today.

Pretty nice day out there.

Beautiful downtown Madison.

How about that?

Yes, it is and not too horribly hot.

No.

In my opinion.

And for his hours to say that, that something gives us the beautiful view there for watching on, for those watching on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter of, look at that.

You can see this, the blue skies in the shot right downtown, the intersection of State Street and Fairchild, where people frequently walk against the light and almost get hit.

And bike

against the light

as well.

And bike against the light as well.

I just hope to goodness that we do not see a tragedy on camera one of these days.

So far a tragedy has been averted at Ampham field in Milwaukee the Brewers going for 12 straight Against the Pittsburgh Pirates across many of these stations on the terrestrial radio signal the Brewers maintain the lead by one Milwaukee six Pittsburgh five in the bottom of the sixth Pittsburgh making a game of this one

Brewers pitchers have been roughed up a little bit, but that offense continues to continue to produce Brewer six Pittsburgh five Bottom of the six will keep you updated trick me Olson stick around for a bit of hour to senior advisor at the Lincoln project But more importantly on Wednesdays.

He's a River Falls boy favorite place of the world coming across the bridge of the St.

Croix River

How about that?

Always happy to have him along.

He's hanging out with the family still over in Europe.

And so you're hanging out with Cookie and Chloe.

Yes.

The dog and the robot vacuum.

Yeah.

And both of them are going to go to work here in a little bit.

Chloe on eating and Cookie on.

vacuuming and getting things clean because on Saturday or Sunday, I guess it doesn't.

I don't know what it says about the communication skills between Erica and I, but so I'm

not

exactly sure which day they're getting back here.

But I am sure that if I don't have the house up to the right standards, I probably will.

Don't do it.

Don't

do cooking.

Well,

to go to have a problem in a plane to catch.

Do Cookie and Chloe get along while the vacuum is going on?

I've told you the story about when we first got Cookie

and what Chloe did.

Tell a

quick version, yeah.

So we got Cookie, the robotic vacuum, and my daughter, Ula, was setting said vacuum up.

And you know, the first thing it does is it goes all around the house and Chloe, the bulldog, is looking at Cookie very skeptically.

And then when Cookie got over by where her toys and stuff are, all of a sudden we hear this commotion and Chloe has gone completely bananas on Cookie.

And so we get Chloe back settled and Cookie keeps going about its business and Cookie goes into our master bedroom.

And we watch as Chloe, who had been following Cookie around, goes trotting in there.

And then about 30 seconds later,

Chloe comes out with what you could only be described as a look of satisfaction on her doggy face and all of a sudden the alarm starts going off on cookie because Chloe has gotten in front of cookie and taken a large You know what right in front of it and cookie ran over it and was all plugged up And my daughter and I go in there and because

Cookie has like a brush and a wheel and other stuff.

It's taking Chloe's bomb that she's dropped on cookie and put it all it's literally everywhere.

It

was terrible and Erica never wanted cookie in the first place and wasn't there and Ula and I had to scramble to get that mess cleaned up and Cookie taken apart and reset.

One more question the story and I have never asked you this part you'll think did you

And will actually do the cleaning, or did you hire a service to come in and do it for

you?

No, we did the cleaning.

Did you

really?

Got

it all

cleaned

in the two and a half hours before Erica got home.

Impressive.

God, all mighty

guests.

That's very

impressive.

Oula took Cookie completely apart and had a toothbrush.

I

had to go get a new toothbrush at Walgreens to get it cleaned out.

Good God.

It was a disaster.

And the whole time, Chloe just sat there on her bed, looking at us like, I got you guys for bringing that stupid thing

in.

So here's the.

The takeaway from the story is this.

If you decide to get a robotic vacuum, introduce it to your pets before you let it loose.

They need to have time.

Well, you

know, it's crazy about the robotic vacuum thing.

So I cookie is a very lower end one.

But when I was looking on Amazon, you know, they go up to almost like 1700 bucks.

They have ones that have cameras in them and will you record a message to the dog?

No, it

actually monitors the dog.

Yes, it does.

And it will send you a text message if your dog tries to assault your robotic vacuum cleaner.

I didn't do that.

But all

right.

Well, uh, uh, speaking of assault, here's a, that's a turn very quickly.

I want to make sure we tease this the first hour.

I want to make sure we, I want to get your opinion on this.

Trick me.

I'm walking.

Journal Sentinel today says Wisconsin residents would be able to conceal, carry concealed firearms.

Without obtaining a state license that requires training under a change in state law, a Republican candidate for governor said he would seek if elected.

Whitefish Bay manufacturing CEO, Bill Barion says he supports eliminating state permit requirements for firearm owners who want to carry guns in a concealed fashion, a policy known to supporters as constitutional carry.

Trini, I'll just go to you.

What's your knee jerk reaction on this?

I don't know.

I mean, as you know, I have my guns.

Right.

And I have fewer guns than I had because I inherited a boatload from my dad.

Some of them I just thought I'm going to get them to people who, you know, knew my dad and are going to appreciate him.

And some I just sold.

The thing about it, though, is

I just, I think back to a story, you remember Act 10, Todd?

Oh yeah, unfortunately I lived through it in the Capitol.

All right, you remember how there were all the recall elections?

Yeah, I was living, I wasn't living in Wisconsin at the time, but I was back seeing my parents and they were all riled up because Sheila Harzdorf, who they've been friends with forever, she was under recall.

Sheila wasn't gonna get beat.

Anyway, but the people on the left are all fired up about it, including a former colleague of my mom's.

He was leading, you know, Marches.

He was a former teacher too.

So my mom and dad are getting ready to go to this rally up in Hudson.

And I, they were like, do you want to come along?

Whatever.

And all of a sudden, my mom and dad are having a little conflict and my mom is like, Craig, what are you doing?

And I.

going and my dad has got a holster on and has his 44 in the holster and I'm like

what in the blue H.E.

double hockey sticks dad are you doing and he's like well it's like I I have a permit and it's open carry blah blah blah and and I said dad and he's like there's gonna be some protesters there I said dad what are you gonna do shoot Don Richards for God's sakes he taught with mommy goes he ushered with you at church like what are you talking about and I just think there's a there's a level of crazy with

that to a degree.

I mean, I'm not for banning guns.

I became a Republican because I don't want government telling me what I can and can't do.

That's why I don't like government telling my daughters what they can and can't do around the issue of choices that they make, even though I would never want them to be in a position where they're in that.

But if they had to, it should be their choice.

Same with guns, but it just seems like, I don't know.

I mean to go back to what

I

couldn't go hunting till I passed

the hunter safety course make people pass the course me too me too I took it hunter safety Rudy Neagle conservationist in the basement of the Richland County Courthouse when I was 11 or 12 When I worked in the Capitol, I actually sat through

a concealed carry class because my boss said, look, I want to be able to make sure we know what's going on.

This is when the legislature was going on.

Could you have concealed carry in Wisconsin?

So they brought in a certified person and I sat through the concealed carry class that they taught at the Capitol or some legislators, some staffers that were in this.

And I was struck by how much time they spent going over

laws, existing laws in Wisconsin and said, and made it very impactful that if you choose to seek a concealed carry permit, you would better understand fully the responsibility that comes with that.

And if you decide to discharge your firearm, even though you have a permit, even though you might be, you feel legally in the right, expect to be arrested when, when authorities come.

and then you're going to have to prove that you discharged that weapon legally and for reason.

This is not a permit that allows you, it's not the Wild West, oh here, have a gun, put it in your holster, you know, discharge it however you want.

They spent like well over an hour and it was basically to, I don't want to, I guess I'll just use the term, it was to scare people into saying this is not anything to fool around with.

This is serious business and you need to take the responsibility for that.

And so if we're going to have a concealed carry in this state, I cannot fathom having constitutional carry where you're able to have that firearm on you without ever having to take that class and understand the heavy responsibility that comes with

it.

Yeah, 100%.

I mean, it's just.

All right, same reason that somebody should take a hunter safety course like it's good same reason people need to get a driver's license What are we gonna have constitute?

It's

just it's just It's

performative

art

bingo bingo that you're exactly right because Bill Barry and this guy I mean

He is one of the most unqualified people I've ever seen either side of the aisle just because I mean, look, there was a lot of people that have served in the military and they're actual heroes.

I don't know.

I mean, it's the same.

He's pulling the same card that Derek Van Orton did.

He claims to be a Navy SEAL.

I'll take him at his word for now.

And he's running on that.

And he claims to be a manufacturer and a business person.

Well, Ron, Ron Johnson married into his wife's money.

Look how that turned out.

So this guy and this guy, all he wants, Trump's endorsement.

He wants.

to be extreme.

I agree with you, Trigvie is performative, but it's also enormously irresponsible because as a firearm owner myself and I believe in that and I believe in hunting and having weapons to not only hunt, but to reasonably protect yourself.

But this kind of crap from Baryon with constitutional carry and wanting to go back to the Wild West is a recipe for disaster, Trigvie.

It is.

I mean, imagine like some guy gets beared up.

You know, hasn't had the course, has a few too many, gets in a little dispute at a bar and ends up doing something they regret for the rest of their lives.

Not

just because of the consequences that they'd have to serve, but just

like there's so many.

They find you at a bar and they say Bart Starr was not the best quarterback in Packers history.

It was Jordan Love.

They get into a fight and pretty soon somebody's dead for goodness

sake.

Yeah, or they shoot some idiot who's sitting down at the end of the bar inadvertently.

Who's a Vikings fan?

Who's a Vikings fan?

Right, exactly.

Come on back for a trivia and

what's worse after this on the Civic Media Ready

Network.

Yeah, French fries were back free.

And you still love me.

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How about fries time once again for what's worse?

Let's

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What's worse, McDonald fries or five guys fries.

Robert in McFarlane says, can't help you on this one.

I only eat locally fried fries.

Trigby, have you had a five guy fry?

I've had both.

Really?

This one's an easy one for me.

All right.

You want to give your answer right away?

Which you think it is, Todd.

I don't know because it's been, I was talking to Zommer's before the show.

It's been literally years, maybe five or six years since I've had a five guys fry.

I don't think I've had one in like a decade.

Really?

And so for, well, you go first, Trivia.

I'm going to say, I'm going to say you're going to say McDonald's.

Nope.

There are

opposite five guys price.

You

you love five five guys price.

Really?

No, I love McDonald's.

Oh, that's why I'm sorry.

I'm five guys for

I'm OK with five guys fries.

And I usually would do five guys over McDonald's.

But I like McDonald's french fries.

Sometimes, in fact, I'll just stop at McDonald's and buy french fries.

They're

so

good.

They're so

good.

They

are.

They're the best hangover remedy ever.

What's worse better than Gator a actually a big bottle of Gator eight and McDonald's french fries to patch you up in a hurry

What's worse McDonald's french fries or five guys fries 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 Or you could text us on the civic media app So it's been a it's been a long time for you Zomers since you have five guys fries

you want to

weigh in

I think I'm gonna have to say that five guys fries are worse just because McDonald's fries are the gold standard of fast food fries Like you have everything is compared to them, you know Even though back in the day allegedly before my time they used to use real beef fat For

frying

the fries and now they use beef fat flavoring because it turns out that was horrendously unhealthy beef

fat flavoring

That's what they use now good

Alright, but it tastes delicious.

You know as

somebody who has to take salt pills in order to remain standing upright Yes, eating salty food is great.

And I so I I'm here for McDonald's fries.

I got to say that five guys fries are worse

Robert listening in the cross on WLCX.

We were up in the cross last week Great, great city up there on the river.

He says ranking BK Burger King guess no salt fries are the top spot.

All right, no salt

Hard disagree.

Number two, five guys.

And then McDonald's fries, he says, are limpy.

They can

be.

Well, I think it depends whether you got a fresh one or not.

Um, Tom.

Yeah, that is 100 percent true.

Yeah, they can be.

Yeah.

They have a fresh one.

Wendy's fries are terrible.

Although they used to be terrible after, I think, twenty twenty one, they debuted a new fry recipe and they improved a lot.

Really?

Do y'all

have Shake Shack out

there?

We do.

Yeah.

Solid.

I mean, they put a new one at Hilldale, across from LL Bean when I worked there.

I think that Shake Shack is fine.

I also think that it's overpriced and overrated.

Take me to Culver's any time, any day over Shake Shack.

If I didn't have Culver's, I'm sure I'd love it.

Heather checking in on Facebook from Eau Claire says, both are very good, but five guys is worse.

Whatever addictive powder they shake on the Mickey D's fries must be the secret.

Crack.

They put crack on there.

Tom in New Berlin, listening in on WAUK says, yes, Mickey D's fries rock.

So five guys is worse.

Also, very quickly, a little public service announcement on one of our great sponsors, Kopke's greenhouse down in the town of Dunn outside the city of Oregon here in Dane County.

Gordy Kopke, listening in on MDX, Gordy says, hey, can you give us a shout out for the nonprofit

Jazz at five live tonight on the Capitol Square five o'clock until seven thirty.

Hope to see you there.

Thanks, Gordy.

I wonder where that was starting back up.

I know it usually starts after the the concerts in the square.

So, yeah, stop on out tonight.

Help the nonprofits that Gordy Kopki is a part of jazz at five live tonight.

Right.

Half a block away from where Zomers and I are sitting a block away here at the top of State Street.

So, uh, I'm going to say, uh, yeah, I'm going to agree with my friend, Trigby, and with Zomers, five guys, fries are worse.

Mickey D's fries rock.

Thank you, Trigby.

I appreciate you for sticking around.

Uh, take care of Cookie and Chloe.

I will, Tom.

I will.

Uh, come on back.

We'll talk a little baseball after this on the Pacific media.

Ready to work.

the title will show this Civic Media ready to work now 35 past the hour of three o'clock on Wednesday, August 13th, Zomers on the board, Brewers on the field, up to bat in the bottom of the seventh inning.

Crew trying to win 12 in a row for the first time since 2018, only be the third time in franchise history.

They are up

right now, eight to five in the bottom of the seventh inning.

I believe now two men on base, pardon me, make it one person, one guy on base, one out bottom of the seventh brewers, eight pirates, five going for 12 at a row.

We'll keep you up to date as the game progresses on many of these civic media radio stations over the air.

Cannot broadcast the game.

on the old on the streaming service, as they say, quick cleanup, but aisle two.

But people are listed on delay sometimes, and that's fine.

We love that.

And so they're weighing in on today's what's worse.

So I'll give a couple, couple of these that came in late on YouTube, Joseph watching on YouTube.

The category today, by the way, was what's worse, McDonald's fries.

or five guys fries.

Joseph on YouTube says five guys are worse.

Mickey D's are better quality and value.

And also Megan out in beautiful Sun Prairie listening on WMDX says, this is like comparing apples to oranges.

Five guys is not as well known as McDonald's.

I can't even remember when five, what five guys fries tastes like.

Probably been a decade since I've had them.

Thanks, Megan.

That was kind of me, too.

I've had this for a long time, five, six years.

Zommer's longer.

So, yeah, I think pretty much Nicky D's one out.

Almost unanimous today, Zommer's, right?

Pretty much, yeah.

I mean, I feel like the strongest argument against McDonald's fries is that it's easy to eat too many of them.

And we've talked about this before, too.

Coca-Cola in the fountain, you know, giving it your glass of McDonald's for some odd reason just tastes refreshingly better.

What's because they bring it to McDonald's and stainless steel vats?

Are

you

serious?

That's why that's the main reason.

They don't do