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It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this Wednesday, August 13th, 2025.
It's a great day to be Wisconsinite and it is... Pump Day!
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Halfway through the work week.
Glad to have you along.
What a day it is if you're watching on the stream, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, X, Twix, whatever you want to call it.
I am adorned in Milwaukee Brewer gear, my number eight Bob Uker jersey today.
along with Mr. Pat Krightlow, host of Up North.
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Every morning from six until nine.
And from the demilitarized zone, Trig V. Olsen, the senior advisor to the Lincoln Project just outside the occupied nation's capital.
It's a big day, gentlemen, because the Brewers are going for win number 12 in a row.
No, we're not supposed to talk about it.
But if they win today, free hamburgers at George Webb and the brewers just got another run, they are up two to nothing right now.
And in the third two, nothing in the third brewers.
So it's a great day to be a Milwaukee Brewer fan.
Pat,
it sure is.
But and I don't mean to be passive aggressive, but that is my default setting.
And.
If the pirates by chance come back to win this, I can boldly predict the brewers will then start another 11 game winning streak.
Yes.
Just, it's just keeping, you know, they're watching our diet.
You guys don't, you don't need those free hamburgers, you know.
They'll win 11 here, 11 there and pretty soon.
Yeah, pretty soon you got yourself.
a division title, but no burgers.
It couldn't be.
The Milwaukee Brewers are now the only these second team in the National League to win have two.
11 game win streaks since the Cubs in like 1935.
Thank you, Pat.
1935.
it's been quite a run here so far by the Brewers and trying to extend it tonight or this afternoon.
And right now on many of our stations across the Civic Media Ready Network on the broadcast side, because we cannot stream the Brewers, but glad to have you along.
We'll keep track of that as the afternoon progresses.
Got to hear a little bit from Christine Yellich.
Really great guy.
I think by all accounts is somebody that Bob Uker, the late great Bob Uker took under his wing along with Bud Selig and other people that were longtime parts of the organization early on when they acquired him from Miami along with Robin Yacht and really explained the culture and the history of Milwaukee to.
to Christie Yelich, and he has really become the leader of that quiet, but very, very important leader of that clubhouse.
So we're going to hear a little bit from him later on in the show.
Also going to be talking a little bit about what's going on in Alaska.
This Friday trivia also, of course, has done a lot of work around the globe against authoritarianism, going to be getting incite onto, can we expect anything coming out of Alaska on, on Friday?
Can I sum it up in one word, please?
capitulation.
If I
have to do it in two words, Neville Chamberlain.
Okay, I'll stop now.
Also, I'll talk a little bit about Washington D.C.
where Trig V lives just outside of the federal takeover by the Trump administration there.
Why the statistics, or should we say back home, statistics show otherwise.
So actually crime was going down in D.C.
And what is this all about?
Could it be perhaps the Epstein files?
We'll talk about that.
Wisconsin Governors Race made a little bit of semi-news yesterday.
State Secretary Kelly Royce was on the program, didn't exactly announce her bid for governor, but came pretty darn close.
So we'll talk a little bit about that as well.
What are the Republican candidates for governor?
Mayor Marion Barry, no, Baryon, no, Bill Baryon wants to have uncontrolled concealed carry in Wisconsin.
Why that's probably not a great idea.
And we'll ask Trigvie Olson, one of the owners of the Green Bay Packers, why the headline reads Love Hurts or or or is hurt.
We'll talk about all those things.
But first of all, gentlemen, welcome.
Trigvie, welcome back from from Europe.
Do you have a little jet lag today?
So much jet lag.
It's the computer that actually had the jet lag, apparently.
He started answering that question.
He started, and then he just bada-bing, bada-boom.
Anyway,
and so is your computer, but
we'll model through.
It's fine.
How was the trip?
The family was over there?
Are they still there?
You have to come back a little?
They're still
All
Yeah.
The trip was good.
I worked kind of a lot and we went to the beach in Lithuania, which is a little like going to the beach in Bayfield, except I think further north.
It rained pretty much and was 68 degrees, so not really great swimming beach weather.
Well, we're glad you're back.
Glad to have some time with the family.
Well, I got to do Pat's show while I was there, which was a real honor.
In the afternoons the only way he'll do a morning show
is in the afternoon
It turns up very big in Eastern Europe in the afternoons and drives late
That was great that was that was fun, but Trevi didn't have to get up early in the morning to appear on past programs, so
So that was, that was great.
Uh, I'd be remiss if we, we've been talking about this last couple of days and trick me, been traveling.
So you perhaps you didn't hear about Milwaukee, uh, the greater Milwaukee area, Southeast Wisconsin has been hit particularly, uh, hard over the weekend by flash flooding.
And I know many people in our listening area in Milwaukee, W. A. U. K. Milwaukee, Glendale, uh, you know, a Menominee Falls, uh, Wauwatosa, all those places are many people are still.
literally digging out sewage and water, what not, are their basements.
Many people can no longer be in those homes.
And so our thoughts, our hearts, our prayers, good vibes to them.
I know that Mayor Cavalier Johnson of Milwaukee has declared emergency declaration there also.
County Administrator or Executive Paul Farrow in Waukesha County, Governor Evers has done what he can to declare an emergency area.
But Pat, I want to get your thoughts on what does this hold up?
Because so far we haven't spent a couple of hours since I was able to check.
But to date that I know of the Trump administration has yet to declare a federal disaster in that part of Wisconsin, which is holding up FEMA help.
But it seems like to me this should be a time where people should be able to set aside politics to get real help.
Well, somebody needs to just remind Donald Trump that Wisconsin actually went for Donald Trump in the election because that apparently is how you decide whether disaster areas get aid.
There are still places from storms last year waiting on aid.
California is still waiting on aid.
And frankly, and look, go ahead and call me negative.
Call me cynical.
I don't care.
I've seen enough of this guy that it would not surprise me, would not surprise me in the least if he did declare a declaration for Waukesha County and Ozaki County and Washington County.
Am I missing somebody?
Yes, I am.
Would he do that?
Yes, he would.
Trevi, thoughts?
Yeah, let's so let's let's make it more positive kind of and give give some thanks to Earl Ingram who still came on the show this morning despite everything he's going through with three feet of water in his basement and I asked him going into the segment I said was your basement finished and he said it finished two times over it was finished and now it is finished so he and so many other people I mean they just they have to rip
Everything out because in his case and a lot of people's cases it came up through the sewer is what backed up and Yeah, our our parts are really with them and I really hope hope our federal government is with them But you know, it's not the kind of thing you should have to hope
We pay our taxes for
a reason.
Yeah.
Totally agree.
I know very many things for Earl for having to take the time to come on your show this morning.
Pat, I know we're listening to our friend and colleague, Jane McNair, who lives kind of on the border of Wabatosa in Milwaukee.
She's been opened on her show.
She had a few inches, not feet, the inches of clear water, not sewage water.
And that was a hard enough thing to deal with.
So, you know, our friends, our colleagues are dealing with this.
I'm just, because I just believe that we should all band together in.
in times like these.
So I listened to a lot of civic stuff and occasionally go over and listen to other radio as well.
And I just want to give out a shout to Steve Scafidi on TMJ because I think he had a really important point.
And rather than saying another network, I just think it's important that all of us in broadcasting band together, if we have a signal in the Milwaukee area to work together.
And he made this point today on their show is to, if you know a veteran,
or an elderly person in your neighborhood that doesn't have family around where go knock on their door and just check on them because we're getting to this time 48 hours after an event like this where mold could be life-threatening and and they could be so I mean and sometimes people that are shut in just get overwhelmed and they don't know who to call and they just hunker and so let's check on each other folks in the Milwaukee area on WA UK's listening area check on one another and and make sure that
We're all okay because we
should be in this together.
Please please be specific about that when you talk about this is in the Milwaukee area because we're getting to the age now that when you say check on the elderly Trigvie and I both hear the doorbells ring
fine.
We're fine.
Yeah
Trigvie what is that juice box that you're you keep going back to is that does
box now?
Let's spend a couple of minutes here before the break.
Trigby, you live just outside of Washington, D.C.
This week, Donald Trump announced and did it very quickly.
Never included the mayor of Washington, D.C.
in this.
You had to watch it on a press conference like the rest of us did.
It took a federal control of the police force, the Metropolitan Police Force in Washington, D.C.
We have active duty military now early on.
I should say, at least for now, a national guard, but threatening to put national or active duty military on the streets in D.C.
You live in that area.
What have you seen so far?
What's the vibe like so far?
I go into the district so rarely.
I'm like the worst suburban guy ever.
I think if you were to count the number of times I've been in the district since the beginning of the year, I can only think of two off the top of my head.
But so I don't really know what's going on.
Beyond the fact that I do know that, you know,
Violent crime has been down in the district for something like 30 years.
It ebbs and flows.
There was a little bit after the pandemic.
I just think what we're seeing here is classic autocrat, right?
Create the chaos or claim that there's chaos and use whatever you have to use.
In this case, a guy named Big Ball's getting beaten up, who was part of Doge.
So Trump probably knew him, but use that as the pretext.
uh spread your message far and wide to your supporters that there is this unknown problem that it really is a problem where you've just made the problem and then respond by doing something that solidifies power and i think it's not you know it's a really bad sign that you're going to be deploying national guard in sort of uncertain circumstances and some of the other things they're talking about it's antithetical to what the united states has always been and quite frankly in some cases it may not even be constitutional
Pat, and as bad as it is, and it is bad, but let's again keep in mind what this is at its heart.
It is also a distraction to try to get people not to talk about Trump showing up in the Epstein files.
They're throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks, and they're willing to go further if need be.
We're going to come back, talk more about what's going on in Washington, D.C.
Epstein files.
a little bit of a takeover, at least on the streets and the police department there.
Also talk a little baseball for you on the other side as well.
Some words from Christian Yellich.
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on his pier in beautiful Lake Wissota in the afternoon.
You can hear him every morning from six until nine.
The suntan, the rested, the ready.
Pat Critello of warnings of Pat Critello joins us from his studios on the four mentioned, the aforementioned Lake Wissota and joining us from the Tony suburbs of Washington, D.C., Arlington, Virginia.
Trigby Olson, senior advisor to the Lincoln Project.
Gentlemen, the Milwaukee Brewers trying to go for 12 in a row at Amfam Field.
and Milwaukee on many of these stations across civic media have just gone up now three to nothing.
Correction.
Four.
Really?
Is my is my.
My feet is behind that much.
Holy macaroni.
Oh, it happened back to back.
Third run in the
fourth run came
pretty quickly here.
So
yeah.
So how about that?
Right now in the fourth.
Thank you, Pat.
Appreciate that.
Brewers have a seven and a half game lead on the Chicago Cubs and the National League Central.
More importantly, for a lot of people across Wisconsin, the Brewers going to win today.
It's free hamburgers at George Webb.
More on that later.
I know you're not supposed to talk about it, but they're up for nothing.
I feel pretty good right now.
Not feeling so great if you're in the Trump White House these days, because you kind of hope that the people that got you there will stick with you.
Joe Rogan, we don't play a lot of Joe Rogan on this show, but occasionally, because the reason I do is I think it's important to acknowledge one of these bigger silos where people are getting their news and information from, and Joe Rogan certainly has.
A larger silo in the podcast fear and in the information sphere was kind of a Trump guy going into the election speaks to a certain amount of people He recently I'm not this week.
I think a day or two ago.
He had this to say Just putting it down there where the chickens could get at it on the the Epstein files and Trump and the distractions.
Here's Joe Rogan.
So
Here's what I don't get he's been sitting on the Epstein files this whole time and every time someone brings it up suddenly There's some brand new emergency Putin gets to keep part of Ukraine Job numbers are fake.
Let's investigate Leticia James Investigate Jack Smith.
It's like dude.
Just release the files if your name's not in there You'd think you'd want everyone to see him, right?
But instead it's constant shiny distractions while the one thing that matters just
stays locked up if if look man if you still think he's playing 40 chess I hate to break it to you the guys barely playing checkers and he's eating the pieces I mean come on how much it before you realize your alpha male is just an 80 year old dude with early dementia spray tanning his face at 3 a.m.
While rage tweeting about Rosie
Joe Rogan of the Joe Rogan experience pack right low
Well, first off, okay, I'm glad when he has these moments of recognition, because he far too often has these moments where he's doing little more than spreading misinformation, all in the name of thinking out loud.
I'm just thinking out loud.
He reminds me of that Edward R. Murrow saying, just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are any wiser than when it only reached to the other end of the bar.
And so if he's figured it out, then
I don't know what's stopping other people and frankly very little is stopping other people except the most devoted acolytes.
There are I'm confident so many more people that have now turned on Trump than before simply because
this one seems pretty easy.
And I don't mean easy, like, you know, he did something or he didn't do something.
I just mean easy, like he flip flopped on this on a dime and people are right
to be suspicious.
Jim and Brookfield listening to WAUK says, quote, I would hardly call Joe Rogan a person of substance.
However, his media reach should not be underestimated.
Vice President Harris had gone on to show a couple of times results might have been different.
Thanks, Jim and Brookfield.
Trigme.
I think, you know, at the end of the day, the thing about dealing with sort of autocratic actors and what they do that's hard for people to wrap their heads around is somebody like Joe Rogan might not have been your ally at one point, but when he's speaking the way he was just speaking, he's your ally.
And hence, you're on the same side as Joe Rogan.
All right, good.
Maybe Joe Rogan continues it.
Maybe he doesn't.
But in this moment, you would think that that's helping to at least raise some questions in the minds of the people who listen to him and view him as factual.
Hence, if you know somebody who's like that, it's a good time and you're concerned about what's happening.
It's a good time to engage that person.
Not about what you think, but about what are they thinking and how do you move them to...
Be seeing what I think is pretty obvious which clearly Joe Rogan is seeing Donald Trump is in the Epstein files and quite frankly probably you know spent a lot of time with Jeffrey Epstein
Pat before I let you go I want to get your take on this killed Royce was on our show yesterday.
She's been on your show a number of times other potential and Democratic candidates for governor bed on I want to get your take as a Democrat a former state senator and in the legislature
What's your opinion?
What are democratic candidates for governor?
What's going to be the key to winning that
nomination?
It's going to be winability.
It's going to be who who can win in a statewide contest against somebody who's going to be a Trump conservative.
It might be Bill Barion.
I'm sure it won't be, but it might be a Bill Barion who is now taking the side of mass shooters.
You know, he believes mass shooters have more rights than our children have rights to not be murdered.
And I know you're going to get into that, but it's going to be somebody in that vein.
And so.
who is the right person to go up against them.
And I know that sounds like it's it's a lot of theater, for example, but these are candidates that won't have a lot of disagreements on policy.
So it really is going to come down to in many cases, style points.
Kelly Royce is going to point to her experience.
Sarah Rodriguez is going to point to her time as Lieutenant Governor.
I'm confident others are going to get into the race.
And they're all looking at this race the way that Tony Evers got the nomination.
He looked like the guy who
the best chance against Scott Walker and it worked and that's probably what's going to rule the roost this next year
too.
We're
going to come back to the other side of the Pam Yankee Farm Midwest Farm Report update because Kelder Royce gave what I asked her about how she wins the nomination.
She gave, in my opinion, a very nonstandard democratic answer.
I want Trigvie's opinion on that on the other side.
But Pat Critell always gives interesting takes and opinions every morning from six until nine on mornings of Pat Critell.
Thank you, Mr. Critell.
Have a nice afternoon in Lake Wissota.
Six nothing brewers, you bet.
Going to do it.
Bye.
Bye-bye.
See you later.
Come on back.
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From the shores of the Gichigumi, that's Lake Superior, down to the shores of Lake Michigan in beautiful Milwaukee, Green Bay, home of your packers to...
The Mississippi River, the old miss say is in La Crosse.
We were last week.
Glad to have you along in the title ball show.
It is now 35 minutes past the hour of two o'clock.
Many thanks to Pat Crichtlow for joining us as he does every Wednesday.
Can tune him in every morning, Monday through Friday, six until nine on the Civic Media Ready Network for mornings with Pat Crichtlow.
Joining us for the rest of this hour, our friend, our colleague, our ongoing contributor, River Falls Boy.
graduate of UW Eau Claire, the blue golds, as they call them.
Now, the senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, joining us from just outside of Washington, D.C., Mr. Trigvie Olson, who's recovering from a little jet lag, was over in Europe, but he's back.
And look, even, even a jet lag, Trigvie is kind enough to join us.
So there you go.
That's all rattled by bones, apparently.
tuned by the suburbs.
By the suburbs.
Jeff
Our friend and ongoing contributor dialing it in on Facebook.
We appreciate that.
Mr. Perry, he knew exactly right away.
Big fan, apparently.
So Trigby had a jet like trade.
By the way, the I know Trigby, you are a one of your few.
You don't have any faults at all.
I'm not y'all called a fault, but other than because he grew up in the greater twins market area, he happens to be a twins fan, but he don't hate the Brewers necessarily.
But yes, you're a Twins fan.
But the Brewers now up six to three Pittsburgh, making a little bit of a game of it here at the top of the fifth.
They were up six, nothing.
Pirates have scored three so far here in the fifth.
Many of those are civic media stations carrying that game right now.
We'll continue to update it for you.
Trig me before the break.
Talk a little bit about the.
Wisconsin gubernatorial race to correct the record because you filled in one day and you were interviewing Kelder Royce yourself, Senator Royce, and you said you'd walk back to Wisconsin to help her out if she ran.
And I then didn't hear that right away, and I came on as well.
Trigby said the two people he'd come back to walk Wisconsin for, for governor, our Republican Bill McCashen, who has said he's not going to run this time, and former Democratic, Wisconsin Democratic Party chair, Ben Wickler,
who has not made a decision yet.
And I forgot to add Senator Royce.
So she's also one.
That's correct, right?
It's true.
Like I would agree or disagree, you know, my personal politics more with some than others.
But at the end of the day with each of those three, they passed.
the most important tests.
One, they generally care about the state of Wisconsin.
Two, they're proud to be from Wisconsin and will get out and be a cheerleader for the state constantly.
And three, they understand foundationally what are the things that have made the state such a unique place, conservation and our outdoor lifestyle protection of the University of Wisconsin system.
public education that's the core of our small town communities.
And that those are drivers of our economic well-being.
And so, well, they might have differences.
Certainly, a Macauchan administration would be different than a Royce administration from a point of emphasis.
But at the end of the day, what we need to be looking for is, first of all, are the politicians, are they good people who care about the good, the common good of whatever they're being elected to represent?
And two, are they going to defend those things that make those places unique and special?
And I think that way, whether it's president of the United States or a state legislator.
Senator Royce
was on this program yesterday.
I want to play you her main answer here, Trekbeat, and get your input on this as someone who has run political races nationally and, of course, here in Wisconsin as well.
Here was Senator Royce's response to an Astra Point Blank range on this program yesterday, whether or not she was going to run for the governor in the state of Wisconsin.
I can't make an announcement
this very second, but when I think about the opportunities that we have in our state and the need for a really strong leader with a lot of experience getting things done in a politically purple state, I feel really excited about my chances and about what we could do together in this state.
Any idea of a timeline for an official announcement on running for governor?
I don't think anybody needs a 13 month primary.
I really hope.
I mean, I hope everybody's out here listening to your show.
But I hope they're doing it at the pool or on a nice hike or getting their kids yet another snack, right?
And then once, you know, we're back into the swing of things with fall, I think there will be some opportunities for.
Make a big announcement.
After Labor Day, perhaps.
I think that's probably consistent.
All
right, after kids get back into school.
And of course, you represent UW Madison.
Things getting back in the swing there.
A couple of minutes left here.
If you were, and it sounds like you're likely to win for governor, what would be your one or two top
Well, I think the main thing is lowering costs for families, right?
We have got to get more money in people's pockets because so many Wisconsinites are feeling economically strange right now.
And they have every, you know,
every reason to be, and it's only going to get worse under the Trump procession that we have coming and, you know, the chaos and the corruption that's coming out of Washington, the horrible devastating cuts that we're seeing in the budget, that is going to devastate the states.
That is really an attack on states like Wisconsin and every Wisconsinite, right?
So we really have to make sure that we have a governor that is ready to do the hard thing and stand up for Wisconsin families against cuts at the federal level.
and invest in the things that we need, like public education, healthcare, our infrastructure, our roads.
It looks like maybe Tom Tiffany's going to get in the Republican side, maybe not.
They're all focused so far.
It appears, I mean, Bill Bacoch instead of this program, that they're after Donald Trump's endorsement.
It seems like they're going after one person.
What's it going to take to win the Democratic endorsement?
Is there a particular constituency, or what do you have to do to win the endorsement or the nomination first?
My plan is I'm not going to be running for the Democratic nomination.
I'm running for governor.
And I want to appeal to people all across the state in every geographic region and every demographic case.
I, you know, I don't think you should ever try to be a governor or an executive if you think that you should only be appealing to certain demographics.
I don't like breaking people down and putting them in categories with labels.
I think, you know, whether you agree with me or disagree with me on an issue, I owe you the truth about my ideas.
and my willingness to listen.
That's the kind of governor I want to be, and I think that's the kind of governor that Wisconsinites want and deserve.
That was State Senator Kelder Royce on our program yesterday.
Trigby, put on your political consultant hat for a minute.
You hear that from a state senator, longtime Democrat, who is running into primary.
What are your first thoughts?
Like, does it complicate things potentially?
You know in a primary I don't know enough about winning Democrat primaries to know I'll take Pat's Council, but it is it is a message that is set out That can appeal to both should be able to appeal to people across the state of Wisconsin most of the spectrum outside of hardcore sort of MAGA and People who vote always Republican and and that's kind of what you're looking for at this point in a race
I was just impressed the fact that she immediately said, look, I'm running for governor now for the Democratic nomination.
And the fact that she's been involved in Democratic politics a long time was in the assembly before going to the state Senate ran for Congress once and a primary ran before against Evers in a primary for governor.
So I think that, that I'm not speaking for her, but my thought would be that, look, I mean, I think she feels pretty confident about.
Her base that she she's known to the Democratic base.
So I think she's kind of like I don't have to I shouldn't have to reintroduce myself to the Democratic base I'm gonna start right from the gate trying to be inclusive and almost focus on in general.
I think it's a pretty good message
Yeah, I think it's a really good message really good message and it gets to sort of why was saying that You know somebody like you or me who might not agree with her solutions on all policies can
can believe that she would do a good job of representing the state and moving the state in a better direction and maybe one that's more unified around finding common solutions with whosoever in the legislature to
protect and augment and build off of those things that have been the foundation of what makes Wisconsin such an awesome place.
It's 44 minutes past the hour of two o'clock.
The Milwaukee Brewers got out of that tough fifth inning and believe six to three now.
Brewers up on the Pirates going to the bottom of the fifth inning.
We're talking with Trigvie Olson, Senior Advisor of the Lincoln Project.
Trigvie, let's change gears a little bit.
Going to be, let's be billed, although they're now they're kind of
talking it down, a summit between President Donald Trump and the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.
Some reports that Zelensky of Ukraine may end up being there as well.
Maybe not.
We don't know yet.
But the auspices were a sum up between Putin and Trump and Alaska of all places to somehow negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine.
But that's looking less and less like it might happen.
I wanted to go to the phone lines right away.
Matt and Milton have been waiting a long time.
Matt, I appreciate your patience because you wanted to have a question for trivia on this international topic.
Go ahead.
Hey, guys, thanks for what you do again.
So internationally around the world, we have this far-right, nationalistic, autocratic, cabal, you know, India, Pakistan, Hungary, Russia, China in one way, but they're a little different.
But the far-right, you know, this group that wants the theocratic, autocratic, Putin-esque kind of government that's very nationalistic,
They have a lot of influence online.
They have a lot of money.
They've been working their message for a while and Trump has certainly given them a lot of confidence having one again.
So my question is internationally, do you see any buildup on the more traditional conservative, liberal...
Side like everybody else are they pooling their resources or trying to mount a Resistance or what do you see on that front?
Thank you
That is that's a fantastic question and it's something that that with all I've done and sort of do You know that I've grappled with and I've talked with a lot of people about it The the hard answer is there's a lot of people talking about it But it has not
necessarily come about in the way that it probably needs to.
I had a conversation with some people in Europe about, you know, would it make sense to have almost a big like Davos of democracy someplace where people from all over would come in and talk about what's happening in their individual places.
You know, part of that I think is because for so long,
You know, it was just the consensus of the West, broader West, you know, Europe and the United States to work together on these things at a governmental level.
Now that's not the case.
And quite frankly, we've, as a country, at a time when those others, like I think both MAGA and non-MAGA would agree, China probably doesn't have our best interests at heart, Russia, same, we've eliminated
You know, I wrote a substack post about this.
We eliminated 2,000 frontline diplomats.
That would be like getting rid of fighter pilots in the military when your enemy is building their military.
Yeah, just not.
So it's kind of a long answer to say, no, but there are a lot of people sort of moving around.
And at some point that has to happen.
Is it ironic trivia or maybe just sad that the summits you're talking about, I can remember when I worked for Kluge of the 90s and the German Marshall Fund, which is still a very prominent player around the world, but particularly in Europe, they would invite the United States to come in and have summits like this and democracy about other places in the world.
And now other places are talking about us.
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, really, when you think about it.
It really is.
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Welcome back to the Taliban show on the Civic Media Network eight minutes now before the hour three o'clock and hour number two.
Little what's worse for you today, a French fry edition.
We'll talk about that.
Trigby Olson, Senior Advisors of Lincoln Project has stuck around here.
Going to talk about love.
Have you heard?
Did you see this, Trigby?
I don't want to get into it deep right now.
He's hurt.
Yeah,
they put him in the first game for a preseason was already
And it was my right hand.
It annoyed me so bad.
I got over to Lithuania three days after they put the cast on.
I paid a hundred bucks.
I walked into a clinic and said, cut this thing off.
I can't stand it.
And the guy said, I don't think you should do that, the doctor.
And I said, do you want the hundred bucks or not?
He cut it off.
That's
classic trick.
Imagine that.
Imagine that.
Uh, welcome back.
We'll talk about Packers here a little bit later with Trig V want to give you an update now that going to the top of the sixth inning in Milwaukee and fan field brewers up on Pittsburgh, six to three got out of that jam in the, uh, in the fifth.
And so the brewers on now leading Pittsburgh, six to three, trying to get that 12th wing win in a row for those George web.
hamburgers will continue on with that.
Quick call eight five five seven five two four eight four two.
Dick listening in Madison.
Dick want to make a quick comment on the brew crew.
What do you got, Dick?
Yeah, on the brew crew and real quick on Marshall Law in Washington.
Okay.
What is their longest winning streak?
Do you know?
Like ever on of all people
ever.
I believe it was 13 games
in
1987.
Yeah, and it was and I gave her the hint of telling her it was on a holiday early spring.
Yeah, Easter Sunday.
Yep.
I was working at
RCL Richland Center engineering that game of all things, but go ahead.
I
Mm-hmm.
What do they have in common trivia?
Do not know.
but if you count the Milwaukee Braves, what are the world championship on the same site?
You know, come on.
Wow, wow.
All right, Dick, what do you got quickly on authoritarianism in DC?
Well, I wish I could have came up with it, but Malcolm Nancy this morning.
He said what happened to the city that was plenty safe enough to have his little parade this spring and not the worst place in the world.
Great point.
Yeah, right.
I mean, I said yesterday, uh, Treg V on the show that, uh,
You know, drink is not made.
He's right.
Is this kid in Doge, a 19 year old under Elon Musk that went on social media and called himself big balls, quote unquote.
He got attacked by a group of feral teenage girls and they spit on him and along with give him a bloody nose.
And honest to God, this is what triggered Trump to do all this because big balls got beat up by teenage girls and got spit on.
And I said the irony is the police capital police officers or spat on beaten.
And some died and still trivia.
Trump didn't want to call the National Guard for that.
I mean, here's the thing.
I, you know, I don't, as I said, I don't go in the district a lot, but I will tell you this, my daughter, who's a junior going to be, she's an incoming junior.
Did you know they all call themselves rising?
Like I'm a rising sophomore.
I hate that.
You're incoming.
Anyway, that's neither here nor there.
But I did not know that.
Yeah, I know.
Zombers seem to know, but I did not.
Yeah.
Right.
Rising.
Really?
Come on.
But so she and her friends go to see women's basketball and and they'll go, you know, there's a group of them that like to go and they they go to.
a restaurant every couple of months together, you know, in the district and see they all get dressed up in the district all by themselves.
And maybe I'm naive, but if I really thought that going to, you know, Dupont Circle to a restaurant was something that was dangerous for them, it's not like they're going into Mogadishu and.
or whatever.
My
been there are places in Madison that wouldn't go at three o'clock in the morning.
You know, I mean, just use your
mean
girls.
I forget, what's the name of the girl who starred in that show Mean Girls?
There's got to be somebody in the audience that knows that.
Lindsay Lohan.
Lindsay Lohan.
Yeah, I see.
Yeah, my daughters love that movie.
I don't really get it.
It's a fun movie.
It's like it's a little bit like pretty and pink.
I never understood that one either.
That's a good movie.
Got a minute left, Trigby.
It's not as good
as the sure thing.
Minute left.
Any final thoughts on the summit, so-called summit between Trump and Putin on Friday?
is the ultimate outcome of this really in everybody's long-term best interest or is what the deal that gets caught in the short-term best interest of the two guys sitting there.
And that will tell you everything you need to know about the state of where America is versus where it was.
Reagan walked away from a deal with Gorbachev and Reykjavik.
Does anybody think that Donald Trump is going to walk away from it?
You know, Donald Trump seems to be doing what he's doing driven by some narcissistic need to win a Nobel Prize because Obama got one.
Did Ronald Reagan operate that way?
Did George W. Bush did?
You know, that's really, I think, what's most important.
Come on back.
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McDonald's fries or five guys fries.
What's worse on the other side?
Also, talk a little bit about Jordan Love.
Trigme says he knows exactly what will cure him.
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