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I am your regular Wednesday guest, Trig Bielsen.

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I am joined today on the board, as always, by Mr. Aaron Zommers.

Pump Day!

That may not be me, but yes, it is Wednesday.

It is a hump day.

What's up with your voice today?

You sound like the camel.

Maybe.

Maybe I do.

I don't know.

You're so overwhelmed with the first day of Packers training camp summers.

Well, of course.

Yeah, it's hard.

It's a great day to be in Wisconsin.

Every day is a great day to be in Wisconsin, but it's a particularly great day to be in Wisconsin when the Green Bay Packers training camp is opening up.

Todd is off today at a civic media conclave, or I don't know what they're doing exactly.

I just know that he and Pat have abandoned me, and they asked that I host the show.

So I hope everybody will bear with me.

I usually am better as the John Madden to Todd's Pat Somerall, but Zomers and I are gonna do our best.

We've got a great show coming up.

We have State Senator Calderois is going to be on the show.

We're going to talk a little bit about the University of Wisconsin system budget.

Why she voted no.

We're going to talk a little bit about things that make Wisconsin great.

And I want to talk to her a little bit about the state of politics in general in the state of Wisconsin.

I want to take lots of callers from across the state of Wisconsin.

We can talk about a lot of topics.

I want to talk a little bit about

how they see Jeffrey Epstein and what's playing out.

Congress has decided to go on a giant hiatus.

Can you believe they're taking all of August off summers?

Wouldn't you like to have August off?

I'd like to have August

off.

Yeah, I wish I could say I'm surprised, but it seems like they like to get paid while doing nothing pretty often.

Yeah, I know.

Now, I'm sure Derek Van Odd one will say that he's doing important things, traveling the state and ignoring his constituents by not holding town halls.

And I don't know what Tom Tiffany will be doing.

Who knows?

It is interesting to me, though.

I saw recently somebody posted it on my Facebook feed.

Well, not on my feed, but it was on my feed.

Tom Tiffany is bragging about how he got several million dollars for shipping in Superior and I thought well, that's all fine and dandy that he got that But the question that I have is What falls into like things we should be doing and shouldn't be doing right like we you know for me personally I I'm all about supporting the shipping industry in Superior.

I really am

But at the same time, like if we're going to be laying off 1300 diplomats, which would be like laying off fighter pilots at a time of rising global escalating tensions, these are the people.

These aren't these aren't the career people.

This would be like getting the Packers, getting rid of their offensive linemen and, you know, just not replacing them.

Why would you do that?

So it seems antithetical to what?

what he's about.

So we may talk about that a little bit.

We're going to talk some about music, one of my favorite topics.

I'm hoping that people can call in, you know, Ozzy Osbourne passed away.

If you're a child of the 80s like me, the Oz was something that I'm glad I got to see him live when he was still young.

I didn't get to see him in the Black Sabbath days.

We're going to talk a little bit about that.

Of course, we would be remiss not to talk about the Green Bay Packers.

And when Reed comes on, we're going to talk a lot of politics, too.

So that's what we're going to do with the show today.

I want to kick things off, actually, by talking a little bit about why I think Wisconsin is such a unique place.

For those of you who don't know my background, I grew up in River Falls.

I spent my college years at the University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire, which zammers no offense to Madison, but I still think Eau Claire from 86 to 1991.

I hate to admit it was on the five year plan.

It was the greatest place on the earth.

It had to have been.

This is phenomenal.

I then worked in Wisconsin politics for a while, and then I had the opportunity to go travel around the world.

I've had the chance to work in over 40 countries on five continents.

I've been to about 70 different countries around the world.

And I get asked periodically, what is my favorite place that I have ever been?

And I continue to say my favorite place in the world is the bridge over the St.

Croix River.

because I am in the best place on planet Earth when I cross it, no matter where I go.

Wisconsin is an amazing place, and people in Wisconsin, I think, recognize that to a degree, but it's also important, and one of the things we talk about on this show quite a bit, and I hope to get into with State Senator Rice, is there are things that have been the traditional elements that have made Wisconsin such a special place that are falling apart.

because we're spending too much time identifying and wearing red or blue hats and not nearly enough wearing green and gold.

So I hope that as people are calling in, one of the things that we can talk about is what is it that makes Wisconsin great and how those things are not what they used to be and why that is.

Because I think that is incredibly, incredibly important.

I also was looking at headlines today for those of you who haven't seen the headlines and Mr. Zomers is on the phone because I was going to give him a little bit of a bad time about this.

Wisconsin has two states, there are two cities that are on the list of the healthiest in the United States, both of which have fallen.

One is Madison, Wisconsin, and the other is Milwaukee.

And Milwaukee fell in eight, 10 places, Madison fell a few too.

I think that's kind of interesting to me that in a couple of ways, one, having lived in a lot of places, I will tell you, people in Wisconsin, one of the great parts about people in Wisconsin is they're not particularly self-absorbed.

That doesn't mean that you don't run into some people, but...

You know, most of the places I live in Arlington, Virginia now, part of the time, which is the number one rated healthy community in the country.

And there's a lot of self-obsessed people.

So I don't know what that says other than I'm just kind of thinking that people might find that little insight interesting.

Summers, do you have any insights into why Wisconsin's falling on the healthy ratings?

What's going on with that?

I

mean, I'm probably not helping.

I'm certain.

Although I'm healthier than I was.

So maybe I am.

I don't know.

But I think you are.

You lost some weight.

I did.

I did.

I think I don't know if it has to do with insurance issues and rural hospitals closing.

And yes, that's in rural areas of Wisconsin.

But maybe that's causing people to move more into cities who are less healthy.

I'm not I'm not sure.

But those are some of my guesses, at least.

You know, I think one of the issues that is going to be a bigger issue.

Not just in Wisconsin, but particularly in Wisconsin.

And in fact, I say this to I've been saying this to people out here in DC.

The big, beautiful bill is not big and beautiful for rural health care.

And I mentioned Eau Claire earlier in my time there.

You know, you've already had two major hospitals closed there.

And I think one of the things that people in places like Eau Claire or even more importantly, in the rural areas around.

place it's like Eau Claire gonna see is that there's gonna be decreasing access to healthcare Or they're gonna have to drive further to get it and I can tell you having grown up in a place like River Falls and watch that transition and Then gone through it the aging process with my mother You know, there's a lot of things in a place like River Falls now where you have to go to the Twin Cities to get that kind of healthcare

in part because a lot of the doctors, you know, in River Falls, they're owned by a big Twin Cities firm.

A lot of the doctors come from out there, and so if you're gonna go see a specialist, you have to either wait till the day that they're there, or if you need to see them right away, you have to travel to them.

That's gonna be happening all across Wisconsin.

You're gonna see this consolidation.

And I think that has a lot of negative consequences.

Don't you?

I mean, here's the thing.

You know, it used to be you're probably too young for this.

It used to be that everybody knew the doctor in their town and the doctor knew you.

That isn't the way that it is anymore.

And it's only going to get worse with what's happened in the big, beautiful bill.

I mean, I've even noticed that growing up.

It wasn't everybody knows the doctor, but there were a few doctors that everybody knew when I was a kid.

And it'd be like, oh, you see this person?

Yeah.

Even the pediatricians and the adult doctors.

Now, they turn over staff so quickly that you don't really have that.

Yeah, and, you know, like out here where I am, I'll tell you, in Arlington, Virginia, it's hard to find a GP.

Like, I feel lucky.

In fact, my GP, I was a little hesitant because, you know, I'm a Gen X guy.

When I lost my doctor, he was leaving, he was retiring to go to the—

work with vets in the, in the, in the, um, in the department of veterans affairs at a veterans hospital.

That's what he wanted to do in his retirement, but he recommended this woman to me.

She was 30 years old and I'm like, I'm going to have a 30 year old lady as my doctor.

I wasn't really sure about it.

It turned out to be great.

She's fantastic.

Um, and you know what?

She's an American success story.

She immigrated from Afghanistan when she was in sixth grade.

Um, yep.

Yep.

Yep.

And both she and her twin sister, they didn't really speak much language.

They grew up in the suburbs of Washington, DC.

Dad did whatever he could to get by.

They ended up going, both she and her sister.

You know, so there is a piece of me that I'm always like, she's what makes America great.

But at the same time, people across Wisconsin are going to are going to start running into that.

I mean, if you live in Madison, Wisconsin, that may not be as big a deal.

But if you live, Eau Claire is a pretty big city.

Eau Claire's got and Chippewa Falls Hospital closed too.

Right.

So you've got two major hospitals that closed.

What's going to happen with the smaller rural hospitals?

That's going to be a real issue.

And if you live in Osio or you live in, you know.

places that used to have hospitals, basketball, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to travel to get that.

I wonder how much people understood the consequences of that when they, you know, those who have been, oh, well, Trump's sports, it's a big, beautiful bill.

If they really get that.

And what the trade-off was.

I don't know, Zomers, what do you think?

I mean, you're getting calls every day.

I only get calls on Wednesdays when I'm on the show, but I just think, I'd be interested what listeners think.

I would too, yeah, and if you wanna call into the show.

You can call in at 855-752-4842.

That is 855-752-4842, if you want to share your thoughts on it.

I think a lot of the people who do call into the show were aware that this would happen, but I definitely had several of the callers say that a lot of the people they know didn't think it would, and they're like, oh, you're overreacting, or did they really say that?

And then now that it's starting to happen, they're like, we probably should have looked into that a little bit deeper.

Yeah, I just think, you know, and then again, and then you have Congress going on vacation for a month, right?

Not gonna work the month of August.

I just think it's gonna be the kind of thing that people are gonna see.

We're just about up against a break.

One of the regular listeners, one of the things you're gonna discover here is when Zomers and I get to choose the boards, our intro music is gonna be awesome today, I think.

Well, maybe if you're a Gen X.

Hair metalhead, it will be awesome.

Todd isn't going to be able to listen to the show.

Is he?

Because he's probably going to wonder what we're doing with his music.

I think he knows.

I think he knows what it's going to be.

Well, we're going to be rocking here.

I hope you'll stay with us.

And I hope you'll call in.

This is the Todd Albao Show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I'm your guest host, Trig the Olsen.

We'll be right back.

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And for those of you who know Todd's voice, which is probably known anywhere you know, I am not Todd Auble, but I am pretending to be him today.

Todd is off at a civic media conclave, making important decisions about the future of, I don't know what, actually, I have no idea what they're meeting about.

I just know that Todd and Pat said that Zomers and I were in charge today.

Hence, we got a little blondie.

You won't hear that.

Any other times?

Do you ever play Blondie's numbers?

If we have, it's been a while.

Yeah, see, probably when I was on the show, I like Blondie.

I think Blondie, we can talk about this with Terry Barr, our musical expert.

But I kind of think Blondie is underrated.

I would agree.

I would agree.

We're going to we're going to come at you with something.

This is one of the things that I kind of like.

There's a lot of things I don't like about the newer artists, you know, like.

I'm OK on Taylor Swift, because those of you who listen regularly know I have two daughters, 13 and 16, and actually went to a Taylor Swift concert.

I also went to a Katy Perry concert.

Anyway, but what I will say this kind of nice about those kind of artists of your generation summers is they pay tribute to a lot of these other artists.

And we're going to have a little Miley Cyrus doing that.

I like that.

I like that a lot.

So, speaking of Stoughton, we have Kenneth and Stoughton, who I want to go to.

Kenneth wants to talk a little bit about rural health care.

Kenneth, are you there?

I am here.

How are

you today?

Pretty good.

A nice hot summer day, but it's summer and there's supposed to be hot, so that's the way it is.

It beats 20 below, right?

I'm with you there.

Anyway, I just want to make a comment.

I live in actually in rural Storton about two or three miles outside of the city itself.

I've been involved with town government, my wife's involved with town government, but I can tell you that one of the other aspects of healthcare is ambulance service and luckily Storton has a hospital and we have excellent ambulance coverage.

But if you're 40, 50 or more miles away from a hospital, if you do have a need,

it is going to be touch and go, in my opinion, whether one, an ambulance would be available, and two, can they make a timely trip when time is of the essence?

I think that's a part that people don't think about when they think about rural health care.

Do I eat right?

Do I go see my doctor when I should?

If something happens, whether it's an accident or a heart attack or whatever, you're going to probably be on your own to get there.

You know, Kenneth, that is a fantastic point.

And that is the kind of services that end up going first, right?

It's going to be those kinds of things.

It's going to be hospitals.

But what it's also going to be, you know, up where I'm from, up in St.

Croix County, my mom was on the county board for a long time and they have a facility for aging adults, those kinds of facilities for people who have less.

They aren't going to be available either.

Or people are going to have to drive a lot further.

It's sad.

Well, yeah, in Salt County, our friends still live in Salt County, and they just went through a controversy of selling the county senior citizen facility for a private vendor, I believe, way back when I was 76 years old.

But my mother worked for what was called a county farm back in the day.

And that was third disabled and mentally disabled.

and just over the people who had no tools to go.

And I mean, that's long time ago, but the replacements are still a county function in a lot of cases.

Well, here's the thing, I

think.

No, I think your point about the ambulance is a great one.

And here's the thing that I think, and I say this as somebody who's spent all these years working in politics.

But, you know,

What people don't understand is it's easy to say, I'm against waste, fraud, and abuse.

Everybody's against waste, fraud, and abuse.

But when the devil is in the detail, one person's waste, fraud, and abuse may very well be somebody's grandma's ambulance not showing up when they've fallen down the stairs and they need an ambulance, right?

or it's one of the things with Doge.

Doge identified as redundant and waste-fraud and abuse, a hotline that helped veterans who had PTSD.

Well, it's not really waste-fraud and abuse if your husband is an Iraq veteran who needs help and he has no one picking up the phone because somebody has said it's waste-fraud and abuse.

It's sad.

It's really, really sad.

Well, thanks for calling in, Kenneth.

I really appreciate it.

We're going to take Mark and Prairie to Sack quickly.

Mark, we've got two minutes, so a little less than two minutes.

What's your question?

And if we have to, I'll answer it on the other side.

Yeah, I think that, well, the closing down the CHS grain terminal in Superior, where it's a minimal number of people that are getting laid off there.

But I mean, it's the largest one in Superior.

Growing up there in Superior, I saw all the salties coming in there and getting loaded up with grain.

and for the whole hospital thing that when i was born up in superior back in the nineteen fifty eight there was several hospitals in superior itself include one including a you know the uh... the church at the catholic church had a hospital up there with the county hospital i think there was another another hospital there and all these hospitals are just combined together that and there's a big one is superior but there's a high hospital on the highway there on at rice lake and

But a lot of our smaller communities used to have hospitals in those communities, and those are gone.

So now you have to go much, much further to get any kind of care at all.

And Waste Front, you were talking about hotlines.

Well, what about the hotline for kids?

LGBTQ kids that cut that service out for those kids because they don't

like

being here uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable about those kids.

For God's sake, those kids need services too.

They do.

Mark, great points.

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Todd and Pat have abandoned me, but Zomers is on the board, so we are taking care of on that, and we have a very special guest, State Senator Calderois, who is here.

We were talking during the break for those who get to see behind the scenes.

And I probably exposed something that people would not have known about me that I am a huge Broadway show fan.

So we were talking a little bit about that.

But State Center, it's great to have you on.

I want to talk about the University of Wisconsin system.

But before that, how are you doing?

You have a different backdrop.

You're not in the

office.

Yeah, I'm doing well.

I'm going to spend a little time with my kids this week, which is nice because, of course, we were consumed with budget shenanigans for the first half of the summer.

Yeah.

How old are your kids?

The little ones are 11, 7, and 3 and 1 half.

And then I have two young adult stepdaughters who are wonderfully launched.

And I get to see them as often as I

can.

How

awesome.

That is so good.

I am.

I have a 13 year old daughter and a 16 year old daughter.

And then my oldest, which I've been writing about on my sub stack page, my oldest was still born at 37 weeks, VILTA, whose name means hope.

But I've been writing about that because there isn't a lot about stillbirth and fathers when we went through that.

And I will have to say, even in this world of.

crazy partisanship.

I've been posting links to them on both X and Blue Sky.

The response has made me actually kind of happy about humanity because I've gotten even, you know, from both sides, people who've gone through it, dads who've gone through it, and...

And it's a reminder every day, as I said in one of those, I'm not sure that I would have my 13 year old.

I don't know why God didn't want me to have VILTA, but I do know that I need Kaia in my life every day.

And so yeah, but we're looking at colleges.

In fact, I'm super excited about this and maybe I can have my daughter meet you while we're there.

We could get together.

She's gonna look at the University of Wisconsin.

And we are going to go out for a badger game because I'm thinking if I can sell her on jumping around, like maybe maybe that will be the choice.

So

sounds good.

And then I'll take her on an ice cream tour afterwards because I'm the expert

on that.

Well, she's already been to the ice cream place at the union.

So she'll be all about that.

So let's talk a little bit about the university.

I saw that, you know, the last time you were on and it was on a Wednesday, at least that I was on, we talked about the UW.

You voted no on the budget, but they did add money back into the budget.

Talk a little bit about that.

What's the thinking?

I think the broader context here is the tremendous defunding of public higher education in Wisconsin over the last 40 years.

Basically, over my lifetime, we went from

having you know really being the public education state both k-12 and higher ed to being 47th in the nation in our investment in our public university and what that's doing is just shutting the doors of opportunity for the next generation of wisconsin kids and that's unacceptable to me so the budget request this year from the universities of wisconsin was to try to restore some of the funding that's been cut over the last 15 years of of cut um and

You know, the money that came through while appreciated is a far cry from what is needed.

And it comes with some really devastating strings attached.

That's, you know, I was going to potentially hamstring the university's ability to continue to be leaders in research.

Yeah, I think one of the things that people people miss in that debate is you look at at Epic, right?

huge driver of the economy.

And I've been in the process with some people and working on a tech related business startup.

And they all know about Epic, because Epic is an American success story.

It's not just a Wisconsin success story.

It is a Wisconsin success story.

That only exists because of the University of Wisconsin and the talent.

And with that tech company that I've been working on, I needed to find a...

a kid to do tech.

I was interviewing kids from MIT.

I ended up finding a kid from the University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire, who not only is super smart about tech, which all the MIT kids were pretty smart about tech, but is super personal and like has both an EQ and an IQ, not knocking the MIT kids.

They were super smart.

But they and and I just think, why are they not understanding?

that the University of Wisconsin system is the hub that makes Wisconsin great.

Like it is the axle that drives the wheel and they don't get

it.

And you know, honestly, brilliant people can come from everywhere and we shouldn't be rationing access to educational opportunity based on what zip code you come from, who your parents are, you know, how much money you have.

That's crazy.

No.

It's it's so true and I will tell you I mean I graduated from the University of Wisconsin Eau Claire, right?

and You know, I've been lucky in my life to get to I never would have imagined if you'd approached me when I was at Eau Claire and said this is how your life is gonna turn out that my life turn out that way, but I mean I've dealt with people who've gone to You know Ivy League schools and all these different places and I have never felt like Eau Claire didn't

Prepare me incredibly well to be in those rooms whether they were with people like Angela Merkel or Lech Wilensa or people who are global leaders or The the biggest advantage was but I could go into a bar and talk to normal people too right like it because Because of what I learned and and yeah, I want to I want to ask you about something else You know, there's been some people in in the Republican Party.

I know though

my old buddy from Badger Boys State, Scott Walker, who was running for governor when we were all there in 85 or president, whatever he was running for.

The rest of us were trying to meet the girls from Carroll College who worked in the lunch room.

But he had this thing where he was saying, we should only do science and technology, not liberal arts.

I don't understand

that.

I just think it's such a limited worldview.

I mean, and I want to be like perfectly clear.

You should not need a college degree to be able to have a good life, right?

Everybody deserves to have a job that they can, you know, be happy doing that allows them to sustain themselves and build a family and the life that they want.

And we need to expand access to

our technical colleges, to apprenticeships, to military service, other forms of public service, along with public higher education.

But the idea that we've got workforce shortages everywhere, but you don't need communication skills if you're going to be working on technology.

I don't know if you've looked at the technology companies, we're living in like a dystopian hellscape.

We could really use some people who actually care about making the world a better place.

in those technology companies.

Same thing with healthcare, same thing with engineering, right?

How are you going to solve problems if you can't communicate with people about what their challenges are?

Well, I mean, that's the whole thing.

Like I kind of fell into this AI tech thing that we're working on.

And I really think at the end of the day, I mean, I do have days where I'm like, I'm a 57 year old guy, like working on technology, like AI, like what?

But then there's the piece of me that's like, you know,

a bunch of tech people making tech for tech's sake, that doesn't get us anywhere.

In fact, one of the things that we're gonna try and do with what we're building is to have an entire sort of advisory board that's made up of a whole cross-section that looks like America.

And to your point, one of the things that I've, you know, so in River Falls, when I was growing up or in Eau Claire, it wasn't just the universities, it was Western Wisconsin area technical colleges.

I have a lot of bodies who went to, you know, the Wisconsin area technical colleges, got great jobs at places like Anderson windows, you know, and have had, have had amazing lives.

And I have days, honestly, where I think that I wish I would have maybe gone that road.

It's still in the walls if you want to know the truth.

Yeah, right.

And the cost of education just keeps going up and up and up.

And we've talked a lot because the cuts to the university system have been so just enormous.

But the technical college system has also not been getting the investments that it needs and deserves.

And so they've got long waiting lists.

Here we've got a shortage in health care, in education, in caregiving, in public service, firefighting, police.

And yet, and we've got kids and young people who want to do these careers, and they can't get into the technical colleges because the state is not providing the funding.

So we've got.

bottlenecks that we need to address all throughout education

Well, and that's you know one of the I mean to pivot a little bit on education, right?

So one of you know the other backbone of the small towns across, Wisconsin is public education It's the high school football game.

It's the high school band It's it's it's the feeder system to our economies right whether people decide to go to a tech school or get a job right away or go to college It's the feeder

But it's also the hub and the heartbeat of the community.

We're in a place like Madison, where you're from, right?

They were a big rival in hockey when I was in high school.

People bleed Madison Memorial versus Madison West.

Anybody who goes to college in Wisconsin finds that out pretty fast because there'll be kids from both there, right?

But those... There'll be kids from East too.

Yeah, well, oh, yeah, that is true.

I forgot about Madison East.

Somewhere my buddy Mitch Gerathonis is going to be pinging me on Facebook.

I guarantee it.

Exactly.

But here's the thing is that is that like, so the funding issue and I was in, I'll admit this, I was working in sort of Tommy Thompson world when we tried to set up the three legs to the stool.

That stool now only has one leg.

There was no intention that it wasn't going to be updated for 40 years.

There's part of me, and maybe this is just trying to make up for my own guilt, trying to say, well, that's law of unintended consequences.

But what's fascinating is with what they're doing to the UW system, to me, this is intentional.

Of course it is.

Yeah, and I think you didn't have to scratch the surface very hard during Walker's governorship to understand what he was doing and why, and pushing the politics of resentment that just tried to pit people against each other.

make our communities less connected and less united versus what if we had leaders that actually wanted to solve problems, that actually wanted to help expand opportunities for all kids, not divide us into these small subgroups and say, you're special and you're picked and you're gonna be punished.

And I think that's, we see where that politics has taken us and now we're living this horrific situation under the Trump regime, the Republican regime in Washington.

If we want to beat that, we have to say do it with inclusive politics that bring people together and provide meaningful, tangible opportunities for their kids.

Because people by age and younger do not have the sense that our kids and us have the same opportunities to succeed that our parents did.

100% and and that's the kind of message and I know you're out and about around the state Which is something I completely respect because you know There's a lot of people we used to go out north of highway eight for our fun up to a buddy's cabin Which I still love going north of highway eight Democrats haven't done so well there

because they demagogue people from Madison.

But people up there are going to resonate.

That message is going to resonate more and more that you're outspreading.

And it becomes a lot harder for them to just demagogue you as, oh, she's from Madison, right?

Senator, I hope you can you stay with us through the break and be on the other side?

Great.

This is the Todd Abba show.

We have state Senator Calderoy's with us.

I'm Trig the Olsen.

We'll be right back after we pay some

bills.

From Bosque Bell to Baraboo all the way to Bayfield and if you're listening via the Civic Media Radio app you can even be in Belarus.

This is the Todd Allbaugh Show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

By the way, if you are in Belarus, I won't be joining you, even when I'm in Lithuania in a couple of weeks, because I'm banned from Belarus.

And I don't know why you'd want to be there.

But if you're listening in Belarus, we're happy to have you.

This is the Todd Allbaugh Show.

I'm Trig Vilsen, the typical Wednesday guest.

I am now driving the bus for the day.

I'm lucky to have State Senator Kelderoy's...

here joining me to help me carry me through.

We've got Mr. Zomers on the board who is wonderful with his choices of music.

We've got a great show coming up.

Senator and I were just talking about the role of education, but we also got into, and I think we were offline at the time, but we should talk a little bit about what, you know, and I'm going to, I'm going to give the same caveat I gave.

For those of you who are Democrats or on the left, who are listening to this, take whatever I say with the grain of salt that I used to help run Mitch McConnell's political world.

But I'm all about democracy first.

So currently, my party left me not the other way around.

But the senator and I were talking a little bit about what kind of message Democrats and what Democrats can do to build a sustainable, longer term.

coalition that includes people that aren't currently part of it.

And I've always believed that a big part of that is getting out around the state.

And I know you're doing that, which I respect tremendously.

Talk a little bit about what you're hearing when you're out and about in basketball or Baraboo or Bayfield.

I, for many years, I've

traveled around the state and obviously it's only accelerated being in the senate the last five years and serving android finance it's strikingly similar you know we've spent so much time talking about the things that separate us and what divides us and and where people disagree because that's obviously you know that's sexy that sells papers that gets generates clicks but um but i don't think that really is the story here in wisconsin overwhelmingly people want

good schools for their kids.

They believe their kids deserve quality public education.

They want the schools, in general, in their communities to be better.

And that's true whether you've got kids in school or not.

People want a government that works for you and isn't corrupt.

They don't like the chaos and the corruption that we're seeing out of Washington.

And people want to make sure that their kids and grandkids have the opportunity

to build a better life and to do it here in Wisconsin.

And these are not crazy left-wing ideas, right?

This is just what I hear from people across the state.

They wanna have opportunity and they wanna have the freedom to build a great life here.

Well, one of the things is somebody who's worked in national politics but who's from Wisconsin still considers Wisconsin home that I think people sometimes don't understand about the state is.

I believe there's only, if you take out the independents who are like independent socialists, there's only two states in the country right now that have senators of different parties, Wisconsin being one of them.

And knowing both Tammy and Ron, they're very different people.

They're both, you know, they're very different people.

But that says something about what Wisconsin is looking for.

And the center of Wisconsin,

is less for most people.

Yes, you have the partisan extremes on both sides that try and demagogue.

But for most people in Wisconsin, what they want is good schools to send their kids to.

They want to have access to good jobs.

They want to have access to health care.

They want to be able to go out and hunt and not feel like they want to protect conservation as something that actually matters on both sides.

They're very

reasonable people.

And they want to be left alone for the things where government should not have its nose in your business.

To me, that is so obvious and very reasonable.

We want safe neighborhoods and communities.

We want good schools for our kids and economic opportunities.

And other than that, just let us live our lives.

Right.

But it's so easy to demagogue.

I mean, to be honest, and I do.

on this show admittedly, like as I said before, I've known Scott Walker since Badger Boys State.

And I've known him since high school.

And in fact, I've known Robin and Robin and I have known each other forever too.

And we were both involved in college politics together.

And I think, but when I think about Scott in particular,

What what irritates me about it, and I would say this and I say this again I know Scott has people listening to this show when I'm on because occasionally I get a call from them and they'll be like you've crossed the line Scott could come on anytime he wants and have a very civil discussion I would but what what irritates me is he broke something that wasn't his to break

because of personal political ambition that he has harbored since he was at Badger Boys State.

It was about getting on Fox News.

It wasn't about what's best for the state.

And he broke things that people like Pat Lucy and Warren Knowles and Tommy Thompson and Jim Doyle and a whole lot of people worked really hard.

to build, that there were some things in Wisconsin that were beyond, that we didn't do it the way that everybody else did that gets you on Fox News.

And it just infuriates me that he broke that.

But that's what he did for self-ambition.

And I think most people in Wisconsin, and I've said this to somebody who's a potential Republican candidate if the governor doesn't run, I've said to somebody who's a potential Democrat, I would say this to you, I would walk to Wisconsin.

to campaign for somebody regardless of what their politics are, if I knew they were going to be a cheerleader for a state and bringing back those things that make Wisconsin special.

Right.

I mean, and we are still that state, right?

We don't need to be exploited for political gain by politicians who put themselves and their own interests before the rest of us.

You know, this is not something we have to accept.

And I certainly don't.

I mean, I love the state and I never doubted.

that even when I disagree with like Tommy Thompson or Governor Doyle or Governor Evers, that they love this state and they are dedicated to it.

Obviously one of the best things Governor Evers has done is he showed us that we can be a normal state again.

So thank you for that.

Well senator, I don't know what the governor is going to do, but you're one of the people you wouldn't want me for a Democratic primary But if you decide to run at some point, you're one of the people that I would think about walking all the way back to Wisconsin This is a Todd all by show.

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Now, I'd like to point out, we have a Richland Center listener on here, and he asked a very important question.

Now, he's clearly one of Todd's homies, don't you think?

I believe so.

Yeah, it's Sean in Richmond

Center.

Do you know this guy before?

Is this somebody is this really somebody?

Maybe it's Todd sending texts.

I don't think so.

No, he's a

regular listener.

His undisclosed location.

All right.

Well, the question for those of you who are listening, I'm Trig Vilsen, the guest host.

I'm your regular, I'm a regular Wednesday guest.

I usually stay through which is worse.

But

I am hosting today.

But I was asked by somebody in Richland Center how Todd and I got to know each other.

Todd and I got to know each other because Dale Schultz's Senate office was right next to a Senate office where I was working, not for a very long period of time.

And then I went to the Lieutenant Governor's office.

And Todd and I interacted quite often during that period.

And fast forward, Todd worked for Scott Klug and Steve Gunnerson.

I had worked for Steve and our mutual friend, Chris Andrews, who I do work with and I absolutely adore.

She was my first boss.

She was the greatest mentor I've ever had.

Well, and still have.

quite frankly.

She's not dead, so I shouldn't be talking about her in the past tense.

She's amazing.

She had also been a mentor for Todd.

She was Scott Klugevstaff.

She called me up.

She said, Todd's going to have this radio show.

If you talk to Todd, I said he should talk to you.

And I said, no, I haven't talked to Todd in a long time.

Todd called me up.

Todd asked me if I would come on the show.

Do you remember this is Amherst?

It was the first Wednesday that you guys were on the air.

I had so much fun.

I said, Todd, I'll come on any time.

And he said, how about next Wednesday?

And you've been stuck with me ever since, Amherst.

Yeah, with very few exceptions.

A couple of weeks here and there.

And even most of those you found another day.

Yeah, I mean, usually I haven't been traveling as much lately.

But yeah, I've come to you.

And I've come to you from various.

locations around the world do.

It's just the life I lead.

I wish I was leading that life from overlooking the St.

Croix River, but unfortunately, that isn't the life that I chose.

I have no one to blame but myself.

Mr. Zahmers, it's time for us to play my favorite game on this show.

And I think we have a good one today, don't we?

I believe we do.

Are you going to hit the intro music?

It's time for

what's worse

It's

time to play what's worse the game we play every day there are no prizes to win It's just your chance to get your voice heard across the radio all around the state and around the world on civic media and on the civic media app and Today we have the question what's worse?

errands or grocery shopping errands or grocery shopping so you can call or text at 855-752-4842 855-752-4842 or you can text in on the Civic Media app with your answer what you think is worse grocery shopping or other kinds of errands like getting clothes getting toiletries things like that

and remember that's errands E-R-R-A-N-D-S not

Aaron's A-A-R-O-N-S.

Yes.

The

question is, which is worse, Aaron's or grocery shopping?

Cam and Appleton was just ahead of you.

As you were saying that, he texted in Aaron's A-A-R-O-N's.

Yes.

You're wrong about that.

I'm going to stand by my man.

I am going to be like Tammy Wynette.

Zomers is the best in the business.

We had that other guy.

One day we had...

guy who wasn't Aaron and it really threw me off.

He's a really nice guy.

He's gone.

He went off to teach.

Oh, yeah.

That was Sam.

Sam Davison.

Yeah.

Sam.

Yeah.

Such a nice guy, but not nearly as quick on the trigger and not nearly as diverse with his knowledge.

All right, Zommer.

So which is worse?

Aaron's are grocery shopping.

This one's an easy one for me.

I don't know where this whatever this land for those who are watching on the stream where you got this.

Oh, it's food land.

Food land.

I

think so.

I don't know.

I don't know where that grocery store is.

Which is worse for you, Zomers?

It is a bit of a tough one.

I think I'm going to say that errands are worse because grocery shopping, I feel like I try to look at it as an opportunity to try new foods, new recipes out.

But I there's not much I hate more than shoe shopping or clothes shopping.

I just I like to get clothes that fit and look decent and just wear them and be done with it.

I'm not a fashion person.

So I think errands are probably worse for me

Yeah, I think errands are I don't I don't mind grocery shopping to be honest.

I Now the interesting thing in my household is my wife and I shop at different stores So my wife likes to go to Aldi

It might be the European inner, because this isn't all the German.

I think it is.

There's all over the world.

Yeah, something like that.

Whereas I am a safe way kind of guy.

You know what it used to be when I lived in Madison?

Do they still have Piggly Wiggly?

They still have it around the state.

I don't know for sure in Madison, but I know when I lived in Manitowoc with my parents, we go to Piggly Wiggly.

It's pretty close to where we live.

Yeah.

All right, so people call in tell us what's worse grocery shopping or errands Now I'm gonna add one caveat if you call in to say what's worse is errands I want to know what kind of errands are worse.

I will say this Zomers on the stream.

You have dry cleaning as the errand.

Oh my god that I Hate dry cleaning picking up dry cleaning.

I don't think anybody likes dropping off and picking up dry cleaning

I don't know who would.

I don't think I've ever done it.

But you know what?

They have out here, they have a bunch of services where you just drop it off at a central location and then pick it up.

So and like in a lot of office buildings, they'll have a derby who wasn't supposed to say that.

Where you just put your stuff in that.

You know, like your bag of dry cleaning.

We got a text from Cam in Appleton that says Aaron's are worse because he has an aunt named Aaron erin and when he was a toddler He got really frustrated when his mom told him that she was gonna go do some errands and like why won't you tell me why you're going to my aunt's house and You know I being named Aaron.

I had similar things would it be like we're gonna go do some errands and I'm like What I'm so confused

Interesting

Yeah, I just think you know not all errands are made the same though, right like running to the bank Now this is something that we don't really do anymore.

I liked going to the bank Do you have you ever even gone to a bank?

Yeah, um besides

very often I

bet no not super often

Besides just

opening up accounts, I've also gone, you know, I used to have a piggy bank full of change, so every once in a while when

it'd get

full, I'd go in and deposit like $40 worth of change.

Right.

I used to love going to the bank.

I still kind of like going to the bank, but going to the bank isn't what it used to be.

That used to be an adventure because you'd see people, you know.

I think it's one of the things that's a problem.

We have a caller.

Yes, we have.

All right.

Who do we got?

Curtin Madison on the line.

All right.

Curt, are you there?

I am.

Which is worse, errands or groceries.

I screwed myself up, but I apologize.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it'd probably be errands because I feel like that no matter how well you plan it, something else comes up and it blows up your day.

Is there any specific kind of errand that you don't like doing?

Yeah, I have a large blanket that covers our couch because we have a dog and When you I have to take it to get a cleaning that given the size I have to take it to the laundromat and You know kiss a good portion of your day.

Goodbye

Right, but here's the thing about errands.

Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna they we used in the example dry cleaning and I said I can't stand dry cleaning either But think about this if I said your errand is you have to run to the hardware store you'd probably be okay with that

Yes

Yes, see so I think there's the one question that I have about what we see now Todd's not here to defend this or that

I don't think all errands are created equal.

Like I like going to the hardware store.

I can't stand going to the laundry mat.

I'm like you.

I like going to the bank.

I don't like going to what would I don't like running to the post office.

Not a big post office guy.

How are you on the post office?

Thanks, Kurt, for calling in.

Oh,

did

we lose Kurt?

Yeah, for we

do.

But for

me, what do you think of the post office?

I, I like going to the post office, but then again, that's usually because I don't have that much stuff to ship.

And it was because,

oh,

I'm helping my family sell some stuff on eBay.

So I packed all of it and I just go and at least the one in Manitowoc was always, they always still had the self service kiosks open, even when the rest

of the

office was closed.

So I could just go in, there's nobody there, print out my stuff and throw it in the box and be done.

Oh, you know, it's a really bad Aaron.

We'll take the call, but yes, okay, take the call.

We have the Whistler and Richland Center on the line.

Whistler, what's worse,

errands or grocery shopping?

Oh, there was a bad connection there.

Seems like we lost him.

Sorry about that.

But we do have Troy in Mount Horrib.

What's worse, errands or grocery shopping?

You beat me to it, because I was going to say it depends on the errand.

And like you, I like grocery shopping myself, so I would have said grocery

shopping.

I got one for you.

Here's an Aaron.

Here's an Aaron for you.

What do you think of going to the DMV?

Oh, my God.

That's horrible.

And I have to do that every year because I have a CDL.

So every year I have a physical, and I have to go in there every year and show them that I did my physical.

Right.

You

know what's funny about the?

The DMV in Wisconsin, having now living in Virginia, I would take DMV in Wisconsin over DMV in Virginia.

In Virginia, it's just the worst.

It's an all day experience.

Yeah,

how about that?

Oh my god, that would be horrible.

Hey, real

quick, was that Miley Cyrus singing Heart of Glass?

Yes, isn't it good?

Okay.

It sounded like her.

I'm like, oh wow, that's really good.

Yeah, it is.

We're going to, Terry Barr is going to come on and we're going to talk about Ozzy in the next, in the next segment.

But I said to Zomers, I'm like, you know, the thing, so I have daughters who are 13 and 16.

So I have to do a lot of Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande and whatever.

But the one thing I'll say about those artists is they really honor those who are from like the 80s and are covering their stuff.

And Miley Cyrus' version of Heart of Glass is really good.

It is.

And yeah, they really definitely do.

Yeah.

Thanks, Troy,

for

calling in.

Yeah.

Thanks, Troy.

Yeah, and yeah, like Trigvie said, next up we have Terry Barr, Madison and Wisconsin Radio Legend and Wisconsin Music aficionado.

This is the Todd Allbaugh Show on the Civic Media Radio Network.

I just about missed my out because I am not Todd Allbaugh.

I'm Trigvie Olson.

But join us on the other side with the fabulous Terry Barr to talk a little Ozzy Osbourne in music right here.

on the Civic Radio Network.

Across Wisconsin.

Pursuing truth wherever it may lead.

This is the Todd Albao show on the Civic Media Radio Network, and we're gonna listen to a little bit of Ozzy and the Greatest Guitar Riff by Randy Rhodes in the history of rock and roll.

And you know what's crazy when a so Terry Barr has joined us?

This is a huge moment for me.

This is even bigger.

I know he's not listening, but hopefully somebody has sent him the clip.

It was a real honor as somebody who in grade school got to watch Pat Crichtlow on WEAU and now gets to be on the radio with him.

But it's an even bigger honor to be on the radio and hosting a show with Terry Barr coming on.

Because I used to listen to Terry and when I was grown up in my first.

Oh, that's so sick.

I'm not that old.

No, same age.

We're the same

age.

Neither

of us is old like Pat.

Oh, you got that right.

Yeah, exactly.

I know everyone comments on that head of hair he has.

He definitely has the man anchor hair.

Yes.

He doesn't.

He still doesn't stay.

He's got television hair and politician hair.

That's the thing.

And I you know what I want to say?

I've never actually said to him.

It's like Trent Lott.

Trent Lott had.

Yeah, the ultimate example.

Anyway, Terry, I'm so happy to have you on.

Now, before you introduce yourself, which you probably don't need to because you're on civic media, but Zomers queue up Terry's choice of her favorite Ozzy Osbourne song and then let's talk about the Oz a little bit.

Yeah.

We've got a clip here from Ordinary Man featuring Elton John.

choice.

You know the thing of I hadn't heard that song in a long time.

That's

a

really it's a really good anthem for Ozzie now that he's moved on.

Isn't it something?

It really has struck me as I re-listen to it as well.

I love his heavier early stuff.

I could

listen all day.

But when Aaron Zommers asked me, do you have a favorite?

Recently, this is my favorite, re-listening.

And just really hearing those words and I'm sure what it meant at the time when he recorded this.

Wow.

Well, yeah, because it's sort of there's you can hear the element and honestly, it's one of the things that makes a great song, right?

Yes.

He's he's really singing about himself.

Absolutely.

It's he's exposing his soul.

Yes.

And if watch the video, it's almost like watching a movie about his life.

I really, I enjoy this video a lot.

The song itself is great.

You don't need the video because you already get all those pictures.

But when you watch the video they put together for this song, wow, it's just history of Ozzy.

So, you know, one of the things that I found interesting and I saw something because I follow him on Facebook and Zomers noses.

So, my buddies and I, my River Falls buddies, we go out to Vegas.

every five years, maybe a little less.

But we decided the last time we were out there, we could either go to the stratosphere and see you two, but we were never really you two guys, or we could go to, oh, that was the sphere, or we could go to the stratosphere and see Rat and Night Ranger.

So

we were the kind of guys who go see Rat and Night Ranger and sit in the VIP section for about 80 bucks and hang out with Steven Percy after the

show.

That's amazing.

Oh, those guys are so much fun.

Steven Percy, by the

way, looks like a guy who spent his life in Rat.

is now seven years old.

But where this connects to Ozzy is I never knew that when Randy Rhodes died, Brad Gillis is who he, the guitarist for Night Ranger is who he tapped to be, is to replace Randy Rhodes.

And Jack Blades talked about it on stage and he's like, we thought we're never going to see Brad again.

And all

of a

sudden one day Brad shows back up and he's like, I told you, I was only doing it for a year.

Yeah.

You know, that says a lot about the musicianship and the friendships.

I introduced Night Ranger at the Crystal Grand in Wisconsin Dells just a few years ago.

No way.

And I had them in a long time, but I thought, you know what?

They used to be one of my favorite bands.

This is going to be a blast, no matter what.

They kind of blew me away.

Yeah, they lost a thing.

And it was so much fun.

So I'm glad that you recently saw them, too.

They I had seen them when I was a kid, right?

A couple of

times.

But I will say that I mean, the the drummer Kelly Kelly Kelly, whatever his name is, it starts with the K. His voice is going a little bit, but there's no way that you can sing and draw.

for as long as he has I

think

and be able to do that at 70 what you could do but what's amazing about them is they're a five piece right

actually a

six piece because they got the guy that's playing but you know it says something about Ozzie too so that's what I saw on this thing on Facebook by Brad Gillis he was saying you know Ozzie encouraged him to go back to his roots because Ozzie Ozzie had said that there was a piece of him that had always regretted leaving Black Sabbath and not doing that the whole way.

Which I kind

of

get right I

suppose he did get kicked out He did

kind of get

at the beginning, but so great to have them all back together time and time again to play

A hundred percent.

Terry, can you stay with us through the break and we'll talk a little bit more on the other side?

Awesome.

I'm Trigby Olson.

This is the Todd Aubow Show.

We're diverting from politics today to talk about Ozzy Osbourne in music with Wisconsin radio legend Terry Barr, which is a great honor for me.

We'll be right back.

We're suing truth wherever it may lead.

Or today music wherever it may lead.

And music probably is the truth that will set you free.

This is a Todd Allbaugh show.

It's been hijacked a little bit.

I'm your regular Wednesday guest, Trig Vilsen, and your guest host today.

But in truth, I'm not even, I'm not really the celebrity on here.

We have Terry Barr.

Long time star of Wisconsin radio.

Terry and I have had this thing kind of going on for a while where Terry has been texting in about my musical choices.

And I know that she has a show where she she talks about music.

And I thought with Ozzy Osbourne passing and with me taking over the show, much like Matt Damon taking over the Jimmy Kimmel show, I was going to divert and have Terry come on and talk music with me rather than politics because we all occasionally need a break from the political Terry.

So we were just we you you're you're picking the songs now.

I like the Paul Stanley kiss like that's a good one.

Here, I don't know if you'll be able to see this.

I'll try this.

Can you

kind of

see that?

Oh, it's a picture of Terry Barr and Paul Stanley.

Who's the other person in the picture?

That would be my husband.

Yeah, he is standing there watching me cry because I'm meeting Paul Stanley.

And Paul Stanley and my husband are laughing.

They are having a pretty good laugh at

that.

Was Paul Stanley a nice guy?

Nice

guy.

Was he a nice guy?

Yes.

Yes.

This is the one that I've always wanted to meet.

I've always called him my future ex-husband.

Yeah.

My husband knows.

He always says, well, yes, as long as you invite me to any parties.

But

I was afraid to meet him because I really did not want to be disappointed.

And he did not disappoint.

That is awesome.

Yeah, we were just talking about that I mean when you do what do what Terry has spent her life doing and doing what I do you end up meeting a lot of people who live in the public spotlight and I will this is what I found Terry and I'd be fascinated

what you found.

You know where you really see what kind of person they are is how they are when they interact with people, the person at the door or the person when you're going through a kitchen.

And that's when you see the real thing comes out.

Most of them are going to be nice to the press.

Most of them are going to be nice if you're somebody that's in the operative world.

But where you really see it is, how are they when the lights aren't

on?

Absolutely.

They let down their guard.

And I've seen some of these stars interact with kids.

And that's what always blows me away, how cool they are with the kids.

That's when they're just really their authentic selves.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's true.

And it's true of politicians.

I do have big news for you if you would like it.

I would love to have you break news

here, and

nothing will make Todd more jealous than the guy who hijacked his show of getting Terry Barr to break

big news.

Break the big

news.

Yes.

I don't know how you feel about Coldplay.

You know, they were just in Madison, big, big stadium.

They were just in the

news about something,

an

astronomer or something.

Yeah, crazy story there.

And then, of course, they come to Madison right after that.

Right.

Coldplay just...

donated a whole bunch of regular size keyboards to the Madison Area Music Association to help kids who can't afford their own keyboard, get a keyboard and hopefully inspire them to be a musician.

That's really cool.

That is awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah, it just

really awesome.

That's a

lot about Chris Martin and the Coldplay guys.

You know, and I guess he's done this in a variety of places where they've toured.

But you think, OK, will they do that?

I don't think anybody even really thought about it until all of a sudden here comes emails flying around between Coldplay and Frank Productions and then the Madison Area Music Association.

So the executive director just picked up a whole bunch of keyboards.

Wow, that's really cool.

There you go.

I wonder what, you know, I mean, you wonder what's going through Chris Martin's head because of course they showed that couple on the Jumbotron and he's like, oh, they're really shy or having an affair.

I'm sure he didn't think that through, right?

No.

And I bet there's a piece of him who's like, oh my gosh, how did I set this off?

Yeah, well, they kind of blew it by the way they acted.

I don't know if they would have acted normal if it would have made any difference.

But I might have just, yeah.

Chris's is beside himself that this has happened because now people are losing their jobs, but.

Right.

I think the thing is, you know, I was never, I've never, there's cold play.

I was never really a huge Coldplay guy.

Like

I would go see Coldplay.

It's

not my, it's not really my bag of tea.

But you and I like the heavy stuff, the old heavy

stuff.

I do, but you know, I will say this.

So because my daughter's ages, right?

Like we went last year, a year ago, actually it may have been today, we were at a Taylor Swift concert in Warsaw.

Oh,

that's amazing.