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Good afternoon, everybody.
I'm Todd Alba, along with Mr. Aaron Zommers on the board.
It is six minutes past the hour of three o'clock.
Welcome in to hour number two of the big program on this Wednesday, July the 2nd, 2025.
It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite.
And it is Tom day.
That's right.
We made it halfway through the week here.
A short work week.
We are in with a live show tomorrow.
Our very own political editor, founder of three.
to help us recapitulate following a lot of stories for you still this holiday week.
Amongst them, the Wisconsin State Senate is taking up the new budget bill passed by the Joint Finance Committee yesterday.
As Pat Critelow reported for us on this program last hour, the state Senate in session right now on the floor, taking up a number of Democratic amendments, 20 some, all are expected to be voted down before final passage.
And then it will go to the assembly, assuming there are no changes.
The assembly would have to pass that and then send it to Governor Evers desk.
He has said, if it is the way that they agreed upon, he has said he's going to limit his veto pen and would not veto out line out of veto anything out.
that he and Voss agreed upon in their deal.
So a lot of things yet to be happening.
And then he says, after he signs it, he will make a decision on whether to run for a third term for Wisconsin governor.
So lots of news to be broken here yet this holiday week also out in Washington DC.
The budget reconciliation bill skimmed by the skin of its teeth, as my grandma used to say.
J.D.
Vance had to cast the tie and breaking vote in the U.S.
Senate to get the budget to the House of Representatives.
And now the House having some trouble keeping, getting it to happen over there.
And some breaking news on this, our own Derek Van Orton was actually quoted, quoted.
And I'm struggling, I'm not sure whether, I think it's part of a quote.
We can say it's a quote, right?
We can use that
We can say that we can all right
don't want to be labor the the word but I think it's important in this case because it's a direct quote and now it's kind of blowing up all over social media and so I think it's an important thing to uh to report so uh Kenzie and I apologize I'm probably going to butcher her her last name pronunciation is n g u y e n n Niger
Kenzie Niger, a punch-ball news who, in her social media on X, lists herself as an intern and a journalism student at Punch-Ball News.
She posted on socials a couple hours ago a direct quote from representative of Wisconsin's third congressional district, Derek Van Orden.
And this is a direct quote from Congressman Van Orden of Wisconsin.
The president of the United States didn't give us an assignment.
We're not a bunch of little bitches around here, okay?
I'm a member of Congress.
I represent almost 800,000 Wisconsinites, unquote.
Direct quote being reported by Punch Bowl News from Derek Van Orden on the budget reconciliation bill.
Now,
Representative Van Orton's office has not not just anybody who follows this guy Van Orton on social media.
He tweets incessantly.
But this is coming from his official press office social media account says this quote.
This is why the American people can't stand the mainstream press.
Miss Niger failed to provide the context of her question, which asked if the Republican Party is being quote.
led by the nose by President Trump."
She also conveniently omitted the rest of Representative Van Orton's response, where he stated that President Trump is the leader of the GOP and House Republicans are working in close collaboration with the administration on this bill.
Representative Van Orton looks forward to passing the one big, beautiful bill and getting it to President Trump's desk to be signed into law.
I don't know, Trig V. Olsen, you've been around D.C.
a long time, worked for people like Mr. McConnell, John McCain, and others.
What do you make of this pretty visceral response by Derek Van Orden here?
To an honest question, I think, by this young reporter, it's blunt, right?
I mean, Derek Van Orden likes to claim he's a former Navy SEAL tough guy, and so the reporter just says, hey, are Republicans being led by the nose by President Trump?
And he, he starts going on and on, you know, how they're, you know, I'll, I'll not continue to use the word outside of the context of the quote, but basically says, you know, it says not basically said, you know, we're not a bunch of little witches.
Like, right.
He looks like the French military.
not a Navy SEAL in the quickness of his throwing down his gun and retreating from Donald Trump.
He's in an, I mean, I don't feel sorry for Derek Van Odd one, one bit, because he makes what he, he, he reaps what he sews, but he's in an awkward spot in the sense that his original quote was probably about.
trying to appease voters in western Wisconsin where he faces a little bit of an election peril.
Well, simultaneously trying to maintain fidelity to the supreme leader, Donald Trump.
And so he's now successfully having it every way possible.
Yeah,
our friend Viewer on Facebook Sarah Cheney who has helped me us out with the me out with the pronunciation Appreciate that Sarah the reporters last name is pronounced to when she says so it's Kenzie when Appreciate that Sarah.
Thank you so very much.
So I but isn't but this to me Trigby says a lot more here and you kind of hit on it in the in the Break when you say look, this is the guys he's worried
He's kind of worried because here's a young a young and a female reporter who's not afraid to go up against this bully and I don't think she's being disrespectful She's just she's using blunt language.
Hey, you know our Republicans being led by the nose by President Trump I don't think you you've been a Washington a long time.
That's not an unfair question, right?
fair.
respect for young people.
No, I mean this is a guy who?
yelled at a young teenager or a teenager in the library a volunteer over an LGBTQ pride display then he yells at teenagers in the state Capitol after admittedly having too much to drink and For taking pictures laying down taking pictures of the Capitol, which is something that is commonly done out there The guy is nothing but a bully and I think that you're right trivia.
I think
I mean, he is, uh, I think he's worried.
Rebecca Cook seems to have the Democratic nomination all but locked up.
It'll be her third try.
Democrats are coalescing around her.
Uh, the DNC seems to be willing to put in a lot of money.
And, and I think that, uh, and who knows, I still maintain there's, there's another candidate that may get in this race that may shake it up.
I think that Derek Van Orden is, is nervous about reelection.
No doubt he should be.
The right like you know the nature that you've run races in the third congressional district third congressional district You know, it'll be slightly right, but let's face it Dom Trump is underwater in the state of Wisconsin.
Yeah, you know, so Yeah, Derek Derek Van Odd one is going to be doing a very people in Western, Wisconsin are gonna watch him throughout this campaign try and have it both ways incessantly on the one hand
He is going to be saying to his Trump base how Trumpy he is, and he's going to be telling everybody else how he's not Trumpy.
Well, who say?
Speaking of, here's classic rock.
This was a band song at WRC or radio when I was a DJ there.
Who saying the the bitch is back?
can be
So you know, maybe maybe that what they need is one of these trucks that follows them around.
Just keep playing that song for Derek Van Orton.
All right, 16 minutes past the hour.
This is one of Trigby's favorite segments when he can stay with us.
Time once again for what's worse.
Let's go.
Time once again for what's worse nothing to give away no prize money involved, but it is your chance to have your voice heard across all 11 least most 11
Brewers post-game show might be going on in some of our stations across civic media Brewers one game one by the way seven to two They'll take on the the met to the doubleheader later on this afternoon across many of our civic media stations the Miz on the mound for mill walk a alright time once again to play what's worse timely timely indeed as Mike Lucas says Because I think a lot of people are going to be spending time in one and or both
of these places over the 4th of July weekend.
Category today, what's worse?
Beer tents or parades?
Beer tents or parades?
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What's worse, beer tents,
or parades, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
Trigvie, like me, you spent a lot of time during the summer on the campaign trail at festivals and spent a lot of time in both beer tents and parades.
What's your thoughts?
He graces us with his presence.
Todd.
Yes, there neither of these is worse.
All right.
These are the things that make Wisconsin fantastic and quite frankly anybody who's been to River Falls days or Lumberjack days or or I don't know
I don't know and cut a hay what they have, but I'm sure they have one.
You want to go to the parade and then hit the beer tent, Todd.
And maybe even do a little polka and neither of them are worse.
That was
his
WAUK says parades every day.
Two day of hot.
Parades are definitely worse.
Uh-huh.
Uh, let's see here.
Scott in Madison on WMDX says, I'm thinking a beer tent at a parade.
Now that's awesome.
guy
that we're honestly, you know what that would be so great You get a semi trailer right one of those flat beds.
Yeah, and haul it with a beer tent on it Honestly, I gotta get my buddies together and we need to do that before we die at River Falls days eight five five seven literally we're gonna get we're gonna get DW Yeah, all right.
Hey, oh, we also we have time Thomas is
off
Now we do, but we got the, we can't, that's a tab.
I can't see that
category is big tents, no big, beer tents or parades.
8-5-5-7-5-4.
got a plane to catch.
Bye Trippie, thank you.
Come on back after this on the Civic Media, I'm ready to know.
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This is part of what makes Wisconsin great And there's a couple of people that are like what why are you celebrating in these times?
Why do we want to be proud of you an American?
Why are we celebrating the United States?
I get the sentiment a little bit But to me that's that's that's say that you're gonna define America and the American ideal in political terms.
I don't I Defined it in terms of what the founding fathers did in 1776
an ideal that we are still trying to fully live up to.
As Joe Biden says, we never fully achieved it, but we keep striving.
It's that American ideal, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, that all men, the language of the time, but all people, I would say, are created equal.
The idea that America offers to anyone who's willing to work hard to come here, to be a citizen,
opportunity.
And yes, I get it.
That has been challenged more than any time since the Civil War, perhaps, right now in this country.
I might throw in the 1964 Civil Rights Movement as well.
Yeah, there's been really tough times, and one of them is right now.
But we should continue to live up to the ideal and fly the flag.
It's not a flag of partisanship.
It shouldn't be.
All Americans are represented by the stars and stripes.
I love the 4th of July 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2.
What's worse beer tents or parades?
Let's go to Jimmy listening to WM DX and Madison Jimmy.
Thanks for holding beer tents or parades.
What's worse?
Oh Come on.
It's you've lived in Wisconsin.
I lived in Texas and They're fun to be around in Texas.
It's hot
But in Wisconsin, your beer tents come with bees and wasps.
Well, that's true sometimes, right?
And in Texas, they drink old Milwaukee Bud Light.
They drink all of these light beers up here in Wisconsin.
We tend to drink these heavier beers.
So I asked my dad, how come I don't see any bees down in Texas, but I see them here.
And my dad says that's because they don't like water.
YouTube, thanks Jimmy.
I appreciate it.
That's pretty good.
Nicely done, Jimmy.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
What's worse, beer tents or parades?
Our own Tony, watch you on YouTube.
Always doing a great job.
He says, beer tents are great.
Parades?
Awful.
elaborate?
Heather on WCFW, the capital Claire, watch you on Facebook, says, a crowded beer tent is worse.
People get sloppy.
I think that's true people people.
Yeah, especially late at night Towards the end.
You don't want to be in a crowd of beer tend at that time.
Certainly eight five five seven five two four eight four two eight five five seven five two four eight four two What else we got the old text line there's aren't anything else on a John in Menominee Falls parades are worse
I'm embarrassed to be an American, but I'm never embarrassed to be a beer drinker.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
That's, that's one.
Who, uh, who had the fishing one?
That's Mark, wasn't
cause Trigby was saying, you know, well, why are you doing this?
That's like, say, what's the worst catching a musky or a, or a northern.
And Mark in prayer to sack says, uh, catching any kind of fish is great.
Sheep's head, white bass, bull head, suckers.
And even dare I say it, even carp, I've even caught.
Moonies in the Wisconsin River The Mooney I what's what's the I don't know don't know if I know what kind of fish that moon I moon I Mooney, I don't know Is that like a Hari Krishna the Moone's?
Thanks Mark always appreciate it.
What's worse beer tensor parades 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 zammers
This is a tough one, you know because Both have their downsides parades can go on long and potentially be boring if they're not That well set up, but they can also be a lot of fun.
They're a lot of fun to be in right and beer tents can be crowded and messy and as Jimmy mentioned full of bees I don't know I think I'm gonna have to say that beer tents are worse because I If I want to drink I can go home
I can't do a parade at home.
Well, you could just parade
parade around the house.
Hey, did your parents growing up everybody?
Anybody ever use that term?
Well, they're praying around their house, their underwear.
You know what?
Good point.
And in this kind of weather, if you stop by Somers neighborhood, you might see him parading around the house in his
absolutely.
Okay, very good.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2.
What's worse, beer tents or parades?
This is a tough one for me.
A bad parade is bad.
I mean, I've been to a couple of bad, like if there's like a block in between units and all that kind of jazz, you don't want that.
Very bad parade.
But in general, I think you're right.
People enjoy a parade, kids like the candy, that all that kind of stuff.
Beer, I love a good beer tent.
Like you go down to Octoberfest in beautiful New Glarus.
Oh?
yeah.
Where you got Boogie of the Yo-Yo's playing.
You go to that tent and it's just a party.
But yeah, I'll agree with my sister Heather on Facebook that a crowded beer tent, especially late in the day and when people are getting sloppy and you don't want that.
So I mean, both are good.
But if I had to choose, I'd say I'd say beer tents are worse.
Mark and Pertis X's moon eyes look like a herring.
Wow.
I didn't know that.
says.
The youth and the children.
Love it.
Thanks, man.
Len, I appreciate it.
All right, there's another edition of What's Worse.
We'll be back again tomorrow with a live show.
And then on Friday, Independence Day, have some Fourth of July music for you, some reflections on the holiday, a little appearance by the late, great Charles Carrault of CBS on Independence Day.
But at the meantime.
And it's free ticket Friday.
That's right.
Brewer's tickets on Friday as well.
Don't forget about that.
Come on back more after this on the title ball show on the Civic Media Ready Network.
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35 minutes past the hour of three o'clock on Wednesday, July 2nd.
Celebrate and get the fourth of July festivities underway early here.
on the All Ball show.
Zommerz has brought in the polka band.
Fantastic job.
I think we could all use a little bit of white-heartedness.
Could not agree more.
Could not agree more.
Speaking of, our friends Jane Matinair and Greg Bach of the Great Program, Matinair on air every morning from 9 until 11 are going to be joining us here week after next on the road.
We're back on the road.
It's going to be great.
I'm going to be Zommerz and I.
I'm very happy about this, by the way, because I'm privileged and fortunate enough to go all over Wisconsin on these great On the Road shows.
And Zomers does Yeoman's work, just getting the job done back here at the studio, you understand?
Well, now we heard from the 12th floor today that Zomers gets to go along with me to Racine next Tuesday.
Right.
You get out of the road a little bit.
And you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to buy you one of those great C and H cringles right down
the?
street.
Yeah.?
Well, we'll have, uh, it'll be, it'll be a Lollapalooza of Kringle down there in Racine next Tuesday.
So that'll be great.
Zomeras and I, not next Tuesday, Tuesday after next.
And then Jane, Greg and I are going to pack up the VFW bug.
Not?
really.
And we're going to hit the road.
We're going to be an Oshkosh by gosh for a preview of the big EAA.
museum and flying.
And then we're going up to James Pitt Adamant about getting to Butternut, Wisconsin.
I believe that we're going to do the show for a beautiful art studio in Butternut.
Is that so?
Yes.
And then on Friday, we're going to be in Hayward, lots of things going on Hayward among them, the World Lumberjack Championship, also a Native American powwow.
And we're going to be doing, we have our own little amphitheater.
Right across from our sister station, we had WBZH is the talk station, hey word, and Muskie101 is the music station, and there's an outdoor Pavilion, I'll use the word to be fancy, right across the street, and Jane and Greg and I are gonna be out of doors, so bring your lawn chair, bring a beverage, and sit there, and Jane, nine until 11, and Greg, and then our show from two until four.
No, definitely no.
Please follow all laws.
Oh, Jeff and Jeff on watching us on YouTube, corrects me.
Oh, I'm sorry.
The crinkle plays in my scene is O-N-H,
sugar.
You understand?
It's the mark.
See, people don't know me.
Say, Todd, you're a person that works in media, and you're the most susceptible person we know to marketing in media, and they're absolutely right.
You understand?
Because I keep, you're probably too young, but back in the day, it was a big Hawaiian because, you know, sugar came from Hawaii, and so it was, you know, C-N-H.
Grown in the sun, grown in the sun, from Hawaii, from Hawaii, grown in the sun.
If you cook, if you bake, forgiveness takes you C-N-H.
C-N-H, that's the one.
And then I'm not sure if it was Saturday Night Live or somebody else who did a spoof on that.
And it was PNH for preparation H. And it was, if you ache for goodness, takes you to PNH.
Preparation H, that's the one.
So, thank you.
Thank you, Jeff.
I was thinking of the sugar, not the Kringle.
So, it's O and H Kringle.
They're a great sponsor, I believe, of WRJ and our station down there in Racine.
So, I'll buy some Kringle next Tuesday after next.
Oh, here?
we
go.
That's
fantastic, well done pulling that up.
It brings back nostalgia for those of us from the 70s and 80s.
And it was like pretty as beautiful Hawaiian.
So the whole idea was by using C&A sugar, you are transporting you and your family to the beautiful Hawaiian sugar cane fields, which on television ads look beautiful next to the ocean and I'm sure they're terribly dingy or whatever.
But it was the, it was radio of the mind, Zommerz.
That used to be a thing.
no, but we use radio and you create of, cause you know, now we have streaming and all this, you know, those visuals, but back in the day you had to use your mind.
Absolutely.
So there you go.
So that's going to come up.
We're going to be on the road looking forward to that.
Here now, and this has been classified documentation, which we were able to obtain and we share with you because we want to thank you, our listeners, for our big text to win contest here recently.
And it was a big contest.
And the big winners were you, our audience, those two great.
prize giveaways, getaways to Door County and the Bear Bouddell's area, along with a three-way blender and brewer tickets.
All kinds of... I guess the blender was a couple of times ago.
Yeah, no blender this time.
But yeah, great prizes, won by all, won a great, I think our great team here to put all that together.
And so as in the past, we were pitted against our friends, Jane and Greg on Matt, Aaron, Eric.
And the last time around, they whooped our posteriors.
And so they won so big that the folks here on 12th floor said, we're gonna give, we're gonna retire Jane's text to win Jersey for a minute.
And so, Todd, we're pitting you against nationally syndicated, uh, progressive talk show host, radio show host, Tom Hartman, who comes on for three hours before us.
And, you know, he talks about politics and he sells crypto and, and lock boxes and all kinds of good things.
And then he, and then we come on.
And I thought, well, there's no way, you know, the guy is like, he has like a number seven or eight, uh, ranked radio show in America, in America, I understand.
And so they said, well, no, Tom, we're gonna put you up against him.
And so now the results are in and we can share with all of you the top three place finishers.
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Thank you very much.
We appreciate each and every one of you.
Let's go to the phone lines.
Quickly, Mark and Perr and Sack have been holding on for a while.
I appreciate you holding on because I wanted to get through what's worse, Mark.
But you wanted to go back to the story we talked about at the top of the hour.
Third District Congressman Derek Van Orton getting salty when a young journalist questioned him about are you being led around by the nose Republicans by Donald Trump?
on this budget and he got salty, swore at this and said, no, we're not a bunch of little witches.
Oh, and since I'm not using the direct quote, I won't use the word he said, but folks can only imagine.
Mark, what's a you?
Well, it's just a punk and he's been a punk his entire life, I think.
And, you know, picking on, you know, he's really brave when it comes to picking on girls or people that can't defend themselves.
But, you know, I'm just surprised that that
That girl in the library, I'm just surprised her father didn't have a discussion with Mr. Van Odd one about what he had said.
We're coming up on the 4th of July and I think it pays for all of us to turn back to the Declaration of Independence and look through the list of indictments against the King of England and compare those to some of the crimes that Donald Trump has committed.
He's incited insurrections against us.
He's kept amongst us in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislatures.
He has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither swarms of officers to arrest our people and eat out of our substance.
What is that other than ICE?
It is just deeply disturbing.
With a little bit of adjustments, virtually all the indictments against the King of England
that we have in our Declaration of Independence, one of our foundational documents, one where we declare ourselves a free people, not necessarily establishing ourselves as a basis of laws as a nation, but establishing ourselves as a free people, those indictments apply almost 100% against Donald Trump.
The people need to recognize that.
Appreciate the call mark.
Thank you so very much eight five five seven five two four eight four So try to get eight five five seven five two four eight four two I only say it about 30 times a day more or less if you want to call in jobbers Over your life.
I mean you were about half the age But when you consider yourself a cheap date when you've gone on a date Are you a cheap date or are are you more an expensive date?
I ask you because here now I want to get into this a little bit.
Andrew Solander from Axios, who is a congressional reporter, gives us some detail, some background on this story I want to get to from TheHill.com.
Headline.
Democrat calls Murkowski cheap date over whaling tax carve out.
I love every part of this, by the way.
So the budget passed, the U.S.
budget passed the U.S.
Senate.
Now it's in the House trying to round up votes there.
But Lisa Murkowski, the Republican from Alaska, has said, no, no, no, I'm not going to vote for this.
Well, at the end, she caved.
And they're calling her now a Democrats are calling her a cheap date Here's the background on this from Andrew Salander from from Axios says Anybody knows the Jim McGovern lore knows a knowers will understand how brutal insult this is coming from him So here's the here is the the background on this this happened when when back in the house.
All right
says the debate on whether to try to extract concessions from speaker or then Mike Johnson and former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy before him has raged among Democrats throughout this Congress.
Even as Democrats coalesced around St.
Johnson at a closed-door meeting on Tuesday with Representative Jim McGovern, Democrat of Massachusetts, argued they shouldn't be, quote, cheap dates.
going forward.
So this was back when they were trying to pass a budget with when your Republicans are in charge, but they needed a couple of Democratic votes.
And the governor's like, well, look, we shouldn't be cheap dates.
The phrase that came to personify an emerging stance that there is definitely growing pressure to use the leverage we obviously have.
People want to make sure that we're not going to be a cheap date.
said Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland.
All right.
Representative Jim McGovern, Democrat of Massachusetts, told Axios, quote, I voted to table, but I'm not a cheap date.
So we will revisit this thing again when we have to.
What they're saying.
quote, I'm not a cheap date.
House rules committee, right?
He remembered Jim McGovern, Democrat of Massachusetts said on his votes on a motion to vacate.
This is about the, this, the vacating the chair and the, you know, McCarthy and Johnson signaling that his support would come at a cost and a cost.
So we've seen this before.
And now Democrats are turning the tables, and they're calling Republican Senator Lisa Markowski of Alaska a cheap date.
How cheap is she?
We'll tell you after this on the Civic Media
Radio.
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The Brewers play the second game of a double header against the Metz, starting around five, something this afternoon with the pregame show.
And then the Miz, Mizorowski on the mound for the, for the, how about that for a double header?
I listened to the pregame show earlier today on the first game.
And Pat Murphy and Brewer's manager says, I coached the minor leagues a long time.
I never had this kind of a pitching opportunity to have two guns like Peralta and Mizorowski and a double header.
So
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happy.
He was pretty happy.
So we'll see if the brewers can complete the double header sweep tonight later this afternoon and tonight across many of our stations here on the Civic Media radio network.
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the the Maggie Dawn program from four until Six sorry for the stuttering and stammering there.
I was I was trying to see I believe there's a guest host today.
Is that right somers?
I was just trying to get the right person
anyway
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A great show.
So, uh, before the break, we were talking about trying to put it into context here.
This story on from the hill, say, Democrat calls Morowski a cheap date.
A Murkowski, pardon me.
My picture is in my center is mixed up.
Murkowski a cheap date over a whaling tax carve out.
And the context was that when Republicans were trying to ask Democrats for help in saving Mike Johnson, McGovern, the Democrat, said, look, we're not a cheap date.
If you want something from this, you got to give us something for it.
We're going to hold out.
Now, according to The Hill, Congressman Jim McGovern, Democrat of Massachusetts, quipped that Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican Alaska, was quote unquote a cheap date.
for voting for President Trump's giant tax cut and spending package seemingly for a tax break for fishermen due to a House Rules Committee hearing during the House Rules Committee hearing yesterday.
The comment came after Representative Joe Nugus or Negus, Democrat of Ohio, asked House Ways of Means Chair Representative Jason Smith, Republican of Missouri about a new tax cut break.
for whalers and fishermen.
It was one of many Alaska specific items that were added to the bill in the final weeks.
Quote, are you talking about allowing someone that uses a harpoon to detect the cost of that harpoon or deduct the cost of that harpoon?
That's correct.
That's included, Smith responded.
It's a business expense.
So let me get this straight.
Lisa Murkowski sold sold out her vote on the entire budget to let whalers deduct the cost of our harpoons.
Nego's interrupted says it's a tax break.
Smith says it's a business expense that was capped at $10,000 and now they can deduct it.
Up to 50,000, right?
The Democratic congressman said, which the Republican chair said
Yes, that's right.
The Democrat asked, why was it added?
I think we all know, right?
While seemingly smiling and referring to Murkowski, who was initially a no vote on the bill, but flipped after a grueling last minute negotiation, she sealed the deal as the crucial fiftieth vote for Republicans.
Smith, the chair, Republican chair said, you'd have to talk to the senators.
He wasn't gonna outer well governor ranking member of the House Rules Committee later interrupted Negus and asked that the addition of the bill Try that again to ask that to ask if that addition to the bill was all it took Quoted quote for Republicans to get a yes from Murkowski Is that all it took he asked?
The Republican chair said quote.
I'm not sure
McCuffer says, boy, quote, boy, she's a cheap date.
That
The bill which passed the Senate on Tuesday and now heads to the house creates a tax exemption for fishers in Western Alaskan villages and a separate provision that gives some whaling captains in the state the ability to deduct 50 grand from their expenses.
a five-fold increase.
Markowski said on Tuesday the process that led her to vote for the bill was quote, agonizing, unquote.
Noting that she hopes more will be done to improve the bill.
She also said that she, quote, struggled mightily, unquote, with a potential impact of cuts to Medicaid and supplemental nutrition assistance programs of vulnerable populations.
In other words, snaps, food stamps.
She said this is probably the most difficult and agonizing legislation 24-hour period that I have
encountered And I've been here a while and you know, I've got a few battle scars underneath of me Murkowski told reporters If?
you want to know what politics is if you want to know the epitome of a sellout if you want to know the
epitome of why people hate politicians so much, no further than Lisa Murkowski, who is in fact, as it turns out, a very cheap political date.
That may be the best story of the week so far.
Well done by The Hill.
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Cannot wait for that.
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