BREAKING: GOP Reaches Across Aisle For Budget (Hour 1)

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It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock on this TGIF Friday, the 27th of June, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite.

Welcome, everybody here at the World Headquarters, downtown Madison on State Street, clouds in the sky, get to weather in a bit.

We have rapine in from Epom's world with the wild or wacky human behavior, our two and what's worse, but right now, breaking news, want to get to it, lots of it today.

on the federal level.

The U.S.

Supreme Court has made a decision on birthright citizenship and the powers of the presidency.

Closer to home, the Wisconsin State Supreme Court with another ruling this morning, this time infecting the Madison area, UW Health, and its right to collectively bargain with nurses.

Matt Flynn, attorney and former Democratic chair of the chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin will be in in a minute to help us through all of that.

Also, just over the wires, oh, Canada.

Trump ending trade talks with our neighbors.

We'll discuss that.

But right now, hot news coming out of our very own state capital, a block away.

Nobody better.

Nobody to discuss it.

Nobody's on this more than our very own political editor here at Civic Media.

Also the founder of the Reconbobulation area, Dan Schaefer, who joins us live from our studios at WRJN in Racine.

Dan Schaefer, thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having me, Todd Alba.

Always wonderful to join you here on The Todd Alba Show.

And yeah, we've got a little bit of news to share today.

It's a, it's a fruity.

And most of the time people think, well, I could just chill out, but here we have all these breaking news.

We need someone to help us recombobulate Dan Schaeffer.

Nobody better to do it.

Lots of eyes on the state Capitol.

We've been talking all week on this program.

The joint finance committee, the budget writing committee was supposed to meet yesterday.

They punted on that.

They were supposed to meet at 10 o'clock this morning.

They punted on that.

They're saying they're going to be getting underway here at 2.

Our very own news director, Charlie Pittman, is in the capital, keeping an eye on it.

But Dan Schaefer, what have you learned?

Well, I have learned that throughout, you know, as this process is continuing, we're getting up against the budget deadline.

I guess Republicans in the Joint Finance Committee are going to write this budget and pass something maybe today in these meetings.

But what I have learned from a Democratic source is that Republicans in the state Senate might not be able to pass the budget with just Republican votes.

And because of that, they have brought

Democratic minority leader Diane Hesselebein into negotiations on the state budget.

So Diane Hesselebein, as of yesterday, was joined the table as far as talking through the state budget.

And, you know, it's going to be interesting to see what that might lead to if that changes the scope.

and nature of the budget in any capacity.

But because of the smaller margins in the Wisconsin State Senate, the smaller majorities that Republicans have in the state Senate, they can only lose one vote.

If they want to pass the budget with Republican-only votes, and it looks like they do not have at least two of the 18 Republican state senators.

So minority leader Diane Hasselbein has been welcomed into the negotiations here because they might need Democratic votes to pass the budget.

As legendary CBS Newsman Bob Schaefer, I don't think any relation is fond of saying, Dan Schaefer, I think he just made a little bit of news.

Little bit of news.

Yeah, so I think that you know, I we've heard throughout this process that

Republican State Senator Steve Nass has been opposed to this budget and is probably not going to vote for it.

Chris Kappinga, another Republican State Senator, has expressed some frustration with the budget, said he might not vote for it.

So if they lose those two votes, they might need Democratic votes to be able to pass a budget.

And that could mean a whole lot of changes and a whole lot of different things.

Everything is still very much in flux, but we've been hearing for weeks that...

Tony Evers has been negotiating with Robin Voss, with Devin Lemahue, the Republican leadership in the Wisconsin state legislature.

It's my understanding now that Diane Husslebine is now part of those negotiations as well.

This is big news, Dan Schaefer.

I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing it with our audience and Civic Mediawide.

I have not seen this reported anywhere else.

I'm going to call it exclusive breaking news here.

This is big because you understand this.

Help us walk through it as someone who used to work in the

capital, I get it, but explain a little bit of the importance here of what this is kind of signaling, the fact that when you're in the majority and not just a one vote majority to reach across the aisle and get the opposition party involved, this is not a small deal.

Not a small deal.

And I do think it, you know, not only does it signify that Republicans, especially in the state Senate, are not all on the same page when it comes to this budget.

I think it also signifies that there's going to have to be some sort of compromise for this to pass.

And I think we knew that was the case, you know, just the nature of divided government, right?

We have a Democratic governor.

We have a Republican controlled legislature.

In order to get a budget that they are going to pass, they have to have, there has to be some compromises.

And we've seen, you know, kind of over the course of the last few weeks,

But talks have broken down.

They've been come back together.

And now I think the reality of what's going on in the state Senate is setting in here.

And that means that they actually, for the first time in, I don't know, more than 15 years, Republicans might need Democratic votes to pass a budget.

And I think that is...

could change the nature of this budget a great deal.

Now, the other end of this is that it's, you know, not a zero possibility either as they go the other direction and try to make steeper cuts to win over some of those Republican state Senate holdouts.

So I think it could go either direction.

But I think the fact that Hasselbein has been brought to the table to discuss this is is significant and, you know, suggest that

things are headed in a direction where there might be a little bit more of a bipartisan compromise.

Before we let you go Dan Schaefer, I know this gets confusing to the average listener out there that's not wonky and nerdish on this stuff like you and I are.

There's a lot of talk about budget deadlines, self-imposed kind of at the federal level right now by Donald Trump on the federal budget for July 4th and explain the difference in Wisconsin and what that means if they don't hit it.

Yeah, if they don't hit that budget, the deadline is Monday.

So the fiscal year ends on Monday, June 30th.

So, but if they don't hit that deadline, basically what happens is the budget that was passed two years ago, the other biennial budget, that just continues on those levels that were set two years ago.

So it would just, you know, it would be a pretty simple

you know, move to have those continue, at least for the short term, before they make any long term changes to the state budget.

But still, we're getting on to crunch time.

And, you know, we don't know exactly what's going to be happening at the Capitol today.

They could be passing this budget in the Joint Finance Committee in the middle of the night tonight on a Friday evening before a before a big summer weekend.

So that's one way to go.

Right.

That's one way to go.

The

legislature passes something in the darkness of night.

That's never happened before, as

I say.

facetiously.

It would be one thing to pass it now and just have a usual Friday news dub.

Wisconsin legislature always has to take things a little bit further.

Dan Schaefer, breaking news.

We appreciate it.

Democratic leader in the state Senate Diane Heselbein has now been invited to budget negotiations, according to Dan Schaefer's sources.

This could dramatically shift the state budget talks.

We appreciate you being on.

You'll be on top of this.

Shallie Pittman, our news director, is on top of it as well.

Really appreciate your time.

time.

Dan safe travels around the state.

Thanks for having me, Todd.

Be well.

Always a pleasure.

Dan Schaeffer.

You can find all of his work at www.

TheRecapobulationArea.com, www.TheRecapobulationArea.com, and it's civicmedia.us.

Dan, thank you so very much.

Right now, I want to bring in another friend of the program here.

He was just on yesterday.

We thought there's usually a little bit of time between now and one appearance and another with my friend Matt Flynn.

But this is the season, as they say, not for Christmas decorations, but for Supreme Court decisions at both the federal and state level.

Joining us from his home in Milwaukee via StreamYard, he is a two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, an attorney, an author, and a Navy veteran, Matt Flynn.

Matt, thanks for taking time.

Good to be with you, Todd.

Always like being on the Todd Oboe show.

Well, it's always a pleasure.

Let's start if we can map with the state's Supreme Court decision here.

Maybe not quite as big a surprise or far-reaching legal implications, but I think it's important nonetheless.

It affects a smaller portion of Wisconsinites, particularly those living in Madison.

There was a case before the Wisconsin State Supreme Court regarding the University of Wisconsin Health System in Madison.

and their ability, responsibility to collectively bargain with nurses.

This has been a big thing for Madison.

The state Supreme Court essentially said today, correct me if I'm wrong, they do not have to do that because of Act 10.

Right, let me just say a couple of things.

These people are my friends in the Supreme Court, the four in the majority.

That said, I think they are far too cautious in what they're doing.

Give you an example.

Yesterday we talked about a redistricting of congressional seats and they took a cautious approach.

They've got to understand that Donald Trump, crooked Donald Trump, has unleashed brown shirts around the country to beat up people and kill our democracy.

And we've got to make a more aggressive stand.

Now today we get this news about the Act 10 and about negotiating with nurses.

Act 10

was an illegitimate piece of legislation.

It's under review right now.

I think ultimately it's going to be overturned.

But remember what they did?

They basically said that police and firefighters, very male-oriented professions, are not bound by it.

But teachers, which are 80% female, are bound by it.

I mean, it makes no sense whatsoever.

And that's only one of the things that's wrong with it under our Constitution.

What I would have wished they'd done

would say, no, the hell with Act 10, we're not going to preliminary rule on Act 10, but we are going to mandate collective bargaining, and we will get to Act 10 in the details later.

In other words,

Let's take a stand, quit being so damn cautious.

According to a reporting from Channel3000.com, the CBS affiliate Kyle Jones here in Madison used to set this in context for those of you that might not know what this actually is going on here.

The Service International Employees Union, SEIU, which represents the nurses, had argued to the court that the University of Wisconsin hospitals and clinics authority

was included in the Wisconsin Employment Peace Act, and that's what Matt was referring there.

Basically, it should have covered nurses as well as cops and firefighters, and thus required to collectively bargain.

And the Wisconsin Employee Relations Commission in 2022 held that the Peace Act did not apply to those folks because of Act 10.

In the unanimous decision today, the court cited with the hospitals, basically.

Too cautious.

These are my friends.

I supported them too cautious.

There are two ways they could have done just simply say it is included in the peace act They're the Supreme Court, but secondly the other alternative way to rule on this thing is act 10 is illegitimate They're gonna come around to saying that in future cases coming year.

So in other words do a preliminary statement about it and Permit collective bargaining

A minute left here, Matt.

We're gonna come back and talk about this federal case.

You're my friend.

We have a beer together occasionally.

But this one, I'm gonna disagree with you a little bit, respectively, because I think that until, if and until this is found, act tend to be unconstitutional.

I was in the building when this happened.

I tend to agree with you.

But until that, I think the current iteration of Wisconsin Supreme Court said, look, this is the law today.

We have to rule on that.

And I think they made the right decision, not because I agree with the result, but because how they interpreted the law.

Am I completely

off on that?

No, you're not, no, no, but the fact is that they did that with redistricting and I'm saying this is not a normal Republican administration that we're fighting against.

It's not normal at all.

This is a criminal enterprise.

There's beating people up in the streets and we've got to take a stand.

They should have with redistricting and they should have here.

We'll come back, talk about what's going on nationally.

The U.S.

Supreme Court, a big ruling on birthright citizenship.

What are the implications?

What are these implications that Matt alluded to?

We'll talk about that with Matt Flinn of the other side.

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Busy news day, lots of breaking news and update now from our news director, Shaly Pittman, who is at the Capitol about a block away from our downtown studios here in Madison.

Shaly is reporting that that joint finance committee.

that our political editor, Dan Schaefer, reported at the top of the show, according to his sources, Republicans now have reached out to Democratic Senate leader, Diane Hesselebein, to bring her into negotiations because they may, keyword may, need Republican, pardon me, Democratic votes in the state Senate in order to pass the budget.

Shaly Pittman, our news director, now reporting that the Joint Finance Committee, which had been pushed from 10 until two,

has now been pushed back to four o'clock.

So things are not going well, apparently, to wrangle the votes, to whip the votes, as they say up there.

Well, our great news team...

We'll continue to update this will bring you more reports as throughout the program right now Two-time Democratic chair the Wisconsin Democratic Party of Wisconsin an attorney an author a Navy veteran Matt Flynn joins us from his home in Milwaukee via stream yard Matt good to be with you here again We talked about the the decision by the Wisconsin Supreme Court this morning

Let's talk about the big one in nationally.

According to CBS News here and obviously multiple other sources, the Supreme Court this morning limited the use of nationwide injunctions, reining in federal judges ability to issue sweeping orders that have in recent years stymied implementation of policies for Republican and Democratic presidential administrators alike, unquote.

That's a mouthful.

I think most people say, what?

As the late great judge Weissman, federal judge from Tennessee, like to say, Matt Flynn, help us get it down there where the chickens can get at it.

This really came down to this issue of birthright citizenship.

Tell us what happened and what does it

mean?

Yeah, what happened in the Supreme Court is contemptible.

What they've done is ratified violence and sadism on the part of Trump and the Republican Party under the guise of some legal doctrine.

Let me explain real quick.

First of all, normally when a federal judge issues an injunction, it's state-wide, nationwide.

And so what they're saying is that's no longer going to be the case, except Crooked Clarence Thomas, who has been bribed, and he's a tarantula.

Clarence Thomas said, well, not necessarily in all cases.

Read between the lines, any injunction that favors Trump's policies will be binding nationwide.

anyone that isn't won't be.

It'll only be binding on the litigants in that case.

And so with birthright citizenship, the 14th Amendment says that there's birthright citizenship.

What Donald Trump did was try to overturn that, and this court ratified it to a point.

What they said is, if there's a litigant, somebody says, hey, I was born in this country,

the court can give that person relief, but not nationwide.

And there's 29 states that haven't attacked it, especially the red states.

And you're going to see ice, you're going to see brown shirts going through those states.

beating up, kidnapping and deporting people, ripping infants out of their mother's arms.

That's what's happening.

And we've already seen it.

There's a new video this morning of a Latino woman, I believe it was in California selling fresh fruit at a stand in the neighborhood and people with gator masks on and camouflaged without badges or ID numbers or identifying themselves, literally just hopped out

like essentially kidnapped this woman, put her in the SUV, threw out a tear gas and took off.

And again, we love Matt, we love Matt and he has, these are his opinions and he's entitled to them, but I think to get down to the facts that this came from, correct me if I'm wrong Matt, this case came from basically

What it speaks to is the ability for one federal judge to make a ruling and saying that one judge's ruling then affects an executive order by the president nationwide.

The Supreme Court basically said, no, we don't think, at least the majority, the six conservatives said, no, we don't think that's true.

It has to go through like a class action lawsuit.

But tell us, Matt, why that's just almost a ridiculous ruling in

class actions.

It's totally ridiculous.

I've litigated class action lawsuits under Rule 23 of the Civil Rules of Civil Procedure.

They're frequently attacked.

They can be hard to establish.

It would be a class of, say, all women in the United States whose children were born here, that kind of thing.

The truth of the matter is that there are Republican judges that have entered injunctions that have been bad.

The fellow in Texas on the abortion drug, you know, abandoned nationwide, that kind of thing.

Right.

But all of these nationwide injunctions are immediately resolvable because injunctions are immediately appealable, immediately.

You don't have to wait.

And you go up to the Court of Appeals, it can be overturned that afternoon, or it can go to the Supreme Court.

When Donald Trump said it'll take years, he was lying.

It hasn't taken years, none of them have taken years.

And what they're now saying, and with Clarence Thomas with a very ominous concurrence, saying that injunctions only bind the people in that courtroom.

Or perhaps the state, but not beyond that.

Sorry, go ahead.

No, no,

no.

Let's get down to the nuts and bolts.

For those who don't know, birthright citizenship, as Matt said, guaranteed the 14th Amendment of the Constitution says, if you're born on U.S.

soil, you're automatically a citizen regardless of whether your parents are citizens or not.

And so that's what Trump signed in the executive order in February, whatever it was this year, said from that day on that if you're born here and your parents aren't citizens,

too bad, so sad.

And so my question is, Matt, with this ruling by the Supreme Court today, is it feasible that the Trump administration in these red states that were not a part of this lawsuit, which

I believe

Wisconsin was part of the injunction, correct me

if I'm

wrong?

But if you're not in one of these bluish states, if you're in a red state, could Trump's ICE, Homeland Security, whatever, take these kids that were born after February and deport them?

They could take infants out of their mother's arms, and that's exactly what they're doing.

That's why I talk about sadism.

I really mean that.

What they're doing is terrifying.

They have a quota of about 3,000 people.

They're almost all people with brown skins, and they go around the country, they kidnap some, they beat up some.

That one guy that had three sons in the Marine Corps, and he was a lawn care guy, they beat the hell out of him, held him down and beat the hell out of him.

Those people should be prosecuted.

for excessive force.

When Matt Flynn talks about stateism defined, it means getting the pleasure out of seeing someone else be harmed.

There

is a

sexual connotation, but Matt's not talking about that.

That's Trump's visit.

That's for Trump discretion.

We'll come back more mad on the other side.

Stay tuned.

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And it makes a fiery

ring.

Right now on the state capitol, that is what live coverage, welcome back everybody, the Todd Allbowl Show on the Civic Media Running Network, 35 minutes past the hour of two o'clock.

At all seriousness, our great news team, Shaly Pittman, our news director at the capitol reports now that the joint finance committee has gone from the 10 o'clock start time to a two o'clock start time and now being pushed back to a four o'clock.

Start time this afternoon, Zommer.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

This was also rescheduled from yesterday, right?

Yes, it was also rescheduled from yesterday.

Our very own Dan Schaefer, a political editor, reported at the top of the show his sources are telling him

that Republicans are now reaching across the aisle, which I actually think is a good thing to Democratic leader Diane Hessell-Bund might have been nice to ask her at the start of the negotiations or the process instead of three days before the deadline.

But nonetheless, it appears that Democratic votes may well be needed in order to pass the state budget.

We'll continue to follow that.

Also breaking news in the state and federal Supreme Court this morning, the federal Supreme Court in a widely

anticipated decision according to CBS News, stemming from President Trump's executive order, seeking to end birthright citizenship.

In other words, if you're born in U.S.

soil, you're U.S.

citizen.

The high court said that universal orders likely exceeded what they call the equitable authority that Congress has granted to the federal courts.

Justice Amy Comey Barrett, author of the majority opinion for a 6-3.

court with the liberal justices in dissent.

If you'd like to weigh in on this, give us a call 855-752-4842, 855-752-4842, or text us on the Civic Media app.

Joining us from his home in Milwaukee are ongoing contributor Matt Flynn, two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin and attorney, author, and Navy veteran.

Matt, thanks for sticking around for just a bit more here because

I wanna just dive into this, we have a text from Dana in La Crosse, I'm gonna get to you in a minute.

But again, I wanna get into the, because there's a lot of words here, and I know for somebody like you who's an attorney, you understand this, and you don't need to put it in simplistic terms like Todd needs here, and a lot of our listeners, because we're not attorneys, we don't follow this.

For the average person in Wisconsin, tell us what this means, because I think, I know,

There's a lot of people who have immigrated from other countries, and there are people who are born in Wisconsin, whose parents might not be citizens.

They might have come, as they say, documented with papers, but they might be on a J1 visa.

They might be on a visitor visa, a B1 visa.

They might be grad students at UW-Milwaukee or Madison or Green Bay, and they have a kid here.

Those kids, at least up until now,

Were you as citizens?

What does this decision today mean for them?

This decision deliberately sows chaos and deliberately ratifies cruelty by the Trump administration, especially in states, 29 states that had not contested this order.

The 14th Amendment, it was passed in, I think it was 1869 or 70, it's a very, very old amendment, very old, said that if you're born

in the in the United States, you're an American citizen with one exception.

And that is if you if you're subject to the authority of another country, you're not.

The reason is that the English ambassador, the British ambassador in Washington, if his or she or he gives birth to a child here, they're not citizens because they're the ambassador.

They're subject to the King of England.

It's a very narrow exception.

Trump is saying, no, he's not a constitutional scholar.

No, it only applies to slaves back in the 1860s.

And it's put after that.

And you raise an interesting point.

Could he issue another executive order under this decision going back a lot longer than February this year?

In which case he could deport Marco Rubio, Cash Patel, Mercedes Cannon, the Shea Wolf down in Florida.

and Moreno, the Republican right wing senator in Ohio.

Get rid of them.

I'd love to see that, but it's not going to happen.

To your point, our friend Stuart Stevens, one of the co-founders of the Lincoln Project and also at Lincoln Square tweeted out just a moments ago, said, if Trump's, this is from Stuart Stevens, quote, if Trump's world thinks birthright citizenship harms America, let's make it retroactive.

The parents of J.D.

Vance's wife weren't American citizens when she was born in America.

She's an anchor, baby.

Clearly, Trump and Stephen Miller and Vance believe she's a danger to America.

So to protect America, their logic would have her citizenship revoked, and she and her children would be deported.

That makes sense.

That's from Stuart

Stevens.

Hey, here's a breaker.

It ain't gonna happen.

In other words, what he did is he started it in February.

But the cruelty is they're going up to women with infants seriously, infants in their arms and ripping them out.

The woman's crying.

If the husband punches this ice agent, he's going to be the hell beaten out of him and commit a felony.

They can't protect themselves.

And this is being directed basically against minority people, brown skinned people, 3,000 a day quota.

And Bondi, the Bond girl, who is the attorney general for Trump.

and gave her a press conference saying, said, oh, we're only doing this to vicious criminals from other, that's baloney.

That's baloney.

They beat the hell out of that lawn care guy who had punched him in the face.

It is absolute cruelty.

And there's an unverified so far report that they are considering recruiting proud boys as basically for a posse to go around and grab people

themselves.

Well, there's been reports of this.

We've seen this.

and and I haven't talked a lot about it because it hasn't I haven't seen it on what you consider legacy media yet but but there seems to be by the videos I've seen alone and and some other reporting that

People reported that bounty hunters, and bounty hunting is a legit thing in America, particularly in places like Texas, where- That's in Wisconsin.

But no, in places like Texas, you can have some yahoo that has a concealed carry permit, and if you round up this wanted person and bring them in, you get a fee for it.

And there are reports now that Homeland Security and ICE are paying bounty hunters to bring in people

of Latino ethnicity for $1,500 a day, Matt.

Right, right.

That is illegal in many states.

And what's happened, bounty hunters before have killed people.

You know, they've gone in and the guy doesn't know who they are.

The guy has a coon skin hat.

Right.

And no teeth.

And he goes in to arrest them.

They pull out a gun.

They shoot them.

We cannot permit that kind of culture to set foot in America.

It should be illegal.

The Republican Party is terrified of Trump and they're going along with

it.

So I know you're legally bound.

You can't give people legal advice or whatever.

But as a long time attorney who knows the law, again, let's give people, we'll call them guidelines.

What would you tell your friends if they're walking, and this is not.

inconceivable.

We've seen it in Wisconsin already.

Judge Hannah Dugan, of course, a slightly different situation, but she was arrested in her own courthouse for good sake.

If your average Wisconsinite, who happens to be a brown-skinned person, if these people show up and don't identify themselves and have gator masks over them, what's the recourse?

What should they do?

What can they do?

What I would counsel is this first of all the fellow out in California thought he was being grabbed by a cartel I mean right seriously and and you got to defend yourself if you recently believe this is gonna be ice I would not resist physically because They'll beat the hell out of you and charge you with a felony and you'll have to hire a lawyer and it'll be a long deal But I think what you can do is give them no information

No information if they ask you what about you?

What are you doing here?

I would like to talk to my lawyer use that phrase because the Supreme Court The the the ones in DC Let them ask a lot of things but that one thing if they bust through they're not going to get away with it So I want to talk to a lawyer.

What's your name?

You can give them the name.

What's I want to talk to my lawyer

I refuse to answer on the grounds that might incriminate me.

Not because you're a criminal, but because they're criminals.

And they'll mistake what you said.

I want to talk to my lawyer.

I demand to talk to my lawyer.

You can say that.

Don't fight with them because if it is ICE, they get pleasure out of beating the hell out of people.

Trump has basically recruited two armies of violence.

One is these brown shirt types that go out.

But the other one was January 6th, storming the Capitol.

And he keeps sending signals out to him by insulting journalists, by insulting judges.

And it has the effect, hang Mike Pence.

And he grinned and he watched them.

He encouraged them to do it.

He said Hillary Clinton should be taken care of by the Second Amendment people.

He encourages violence.

I would be remiss, Matt Flynn, and you can speak for yourself, but I'd be remiss if I didn't separate out the discussion we're having on ICE agents from federal homeland security, who at least in my opinion, some, if not many, are going overboard.

And because there's video of this, doing exactly what you're saying, beating the crap out of brown-skinned people, many of whom, there's already better research done, it's like over 60% have zero criminal record, meaning they have no violent record.

and like 90% have never even had a parking ticket.

So there's a big difference between federal people beating up those kind of folks and what happened in Milwaukee last night.

where two Milwaukee police officers were shot, basically ambushed and are fighting for the life last time I heard in the hospital.

I fully support our local law enforcement folks like that.

That's very different to me, Matt, than these federal ICE folks.

Totally, totally different.

Listen, my uncle and my cousin served as police officers.

I am 100% for the police.

That's what we're talking about.

We're talking about guys who are walking up to a woman in a fruit cart, or a woman with a baby, and roughing them up, beating this other guy.

That's totally different.

The Milwaukee cops are my friends.

Cops are our friends.

Totally different deal.

I just want to make sure we had that on the table and make sure people know.

Very good point.

Let's go quickly to the phone lines, 855-752-4842.

Mark, you're per in sec.

Mark, one minute left.

You can make it brief, please.

Go

ahead.

article on section eight of the Constitution.

It's supposed to be Congress establishing rules for naturalization, setting aside the 14th Amendment.

Also, for anybody born prior to this decision, under same article, section nine, the no-exposed facto laws in this country, so anybody born prior to that decision is automatically an American citizen if they're born in this country.

And I mean, it's time to just tell these ice guys, FCC9 compliant word that Trump is using all the time.

Thanks, Mark.

I appreciate it, Matt.

Yeah, well the thing is there are a lot of legal objections to this but when you have a guy like Clarence Thomas who took four and a half million dollars and has repaid his backers and the rest of him, Alito, many people think he's the one that slipped out the Dobs decision, this is not a legitimate Supreme Court, they are torrentialists.

Let's go to the text line really quick, Matt.

This came from Dana a little bit earlier in the show.

Dana in La Crosse, listening to LCX says, is there a legislative fix, either federal, state, to mitigate or reverse these terrible decisions that are being handed down today, either later or down the road after Democrats would get power back at the executive branch, Matt?

The answer is yes, and I've mitigated that issue.

It started to cizes until it's overturned, like Dobbs overturned Roe v. Wade.

So if a good Supreme Court gets in, a good Democrat, they can overturn all of it.

Every decision, it's whatever that new Supreme Court says.

Very quickly, Jada Madison and WMDX won't, Trump just tried to use this decision to strip citizenship from anyone he considers an enemy.

Matt, 30 seconds.

The answer is yes, and Clarence Thomas gave the, in the concurring opinion, Clarence Thomas said, well, not every injunction is limited.

And what he was talking about is pro-Trump injunctions will not be limited.

All right, we're going to take another quick break.

Come on back.

Matt in Richland Center has a text from Matt Flynn.

So, Matt to Matt on the other side.

Don't go anywhere.

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Welcome back to Todd Allwell's show in the Civic Video, ready to work eight minutes now before the hour of

three o'clock at the top of the

hour.

News, weather, and sports, followed by what's worse in hour number two.

We should ask Matt Flynn.

He's an attorney.

What's worse, renting or owning?

Whether it's a property or a piece of equipment.

Any thoughts on that, Matt?

What's worse?

Yeah, it depends on what area of the country you're in and how often you use the equipment if that's what you're having.

I mean, in general, the problem with owning is that you have an awful lot of ownership obligations and repair and maintenance.

On the other hand,

if that area is going to appreciate in value.

Terrific.

But otherwise, it's frequently easiest just to rent.

Look at that.

An unexpected answer from Matt Flynn to kick us off.

I love it.

We'll ask you all in hour number two, what's worse, renting or owning.

And then Peter Rapine from Epom's World will be here at the bottom of the hour with news, as Johnny Carson used to say, of the weird, wild and wacky.

Wacky, and I did not know that What so it'll be the week in review with Peter Rapine right now Matt Flynn?

Two-time chair of the Democratic Party Wisconsin and attorney author and Navy vet with us talking about this decision From the US Supreme Court on on birthright citizenship Matt right before the break.

We had Matt in Richland Center one of our great UPS drivers Listening on his route Matt Flynn Matt and Richland Center on the BRCE asks

Does this now set a precedent where anytime a lower federal court makes a ruling, Trump doesn't like the Supreme Court can say it can't make that ruling?

I thought birthright citizenship was pretty clear in the Constitution.

Matt

Flynn?

Right, it is clear in the Constitution.

Matt, and one of the things that I'm concerned about

is that Pam Bondi in her press conference said the court is going to decide it in October.

Not clear to me how she knew that, but if it is going to decide it in October, if it buys into Trump's theory, that's contrary to the 14th Amendment, it's going to take a future Supreme Court to clean that up.

But to your point, yeah, absolutely.

In other words, and Clarence Thomas signaled this in his concurrence.

In other words, if it's a pro-Trump decision,

Great, seashells and balloons and everybody is happy around the country.

But if it's not a pro-Trump decision, it's narrowly confined to just that plaintiff.

And the fallacy of all this, Trump this morning said it takes years to undo a bad one, that's false.

And injunction is immediately appealable under the law, can be overturned that evening by the court of appeals.

And it can be overturned the next day by the US Supreme Court and frequently is in big cases.

Jim in Campbell's

port listening in Jim.

We appreciate that says Todd Matt shouldn't Donald Trump's kids be deported That's kind of the point right?

I mean we only have just but I mean if you're gonna follow it to the law

You could deport Melania you could deport JD Vance's wife and kids you could deport Marco Rubio cash Patel Ted Reno the

Ted Cruz, Mercedes Cannon, the she-wolf in Florida, you could depart them all.

I'd like to see that quite frankly.

It ain't gonna happen, okay?

It ain't gonna happen.

That's not what's going on here.

What's going on here, if you're loyal to Trump, great.

And if you're not, especially if you're not white, deport us 3,000 a day if you can.

Connie, listening on WMDX in Madison, says, asks Matt, if Trump doesn't want children born in the U.S.

to be citizens, what about his own kids?

So kind of the same line there.

This is great one.

Matt, you're a good Catholic, represented the Catholic diocese in court.

Mark, in prayer to sack, says, Pope Leo, should excommunicate the gang of six on the Supreme Court.

I also represent the Episcopal Church and the Mormon Church.

I have an eclectic knowledge about all this stuff, but that's a funny line.

But look, the point of the matter is we have separation in church and state.

We don't want to get into all that.

However, it's very hypocritical what they're doing, which is they're singling out some people.

Basically, 3,000 people a day is the quota.

Do you really, how many white people do you think are going to get picked up in that?

Zero.

Almost and

there's a lot of undocumented white people.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

And you know, they just overstay visas.

Elon Musk, by the way, was illegal.

When he came in, he was given a visa specifically to go to Stanford.

This is when he was a student.

He blew it off.

Right.

And after that happens, you can't cure that yourself.

You have to.

I mean, they're not going to deport Elon Musk.

No.

And now and Stephen Miller the the guy who's running point on all this terrible immigration policy stuff for Trump He's salty and Elon Musk because Musk just told his wife

that's real you know that's nasty

that's nasty you know we want to dig too deep on that but the point is that if you took a look at the republican hierarchy and you did an MRI of their private lives and make the hair and the monkeys back stand straight on end

yeah it's again one of these hypocritical things by my former party where they want to live their lives one way but they don't want to offer those same

traditional American opportunities for other people.

Well, they're corrupting our democracy and it all goes back.

Trump is frightened of Putin.

He's survived to Putin.

He's afraid Putin will release the steel video.

So he gives him anything he wants, betrays Ukraine, betrays NATO.

And then he replicates a lot of Putin-esque government in this country.

And everybody goes, OK, what do you mean, OK?

What's happened to the the Unix of the Second Reich?

the second Trump term, the Republican senators.

Matt Flynn, what are you doing this weekend?

Well, I'm writing my next book, but I want to flag my most recent one that's coming out in about a week, American Dawn.

Very, very different, very hard hitting, and I won't say much more, but it shows a side of the Republican Party and even the Democratic Party that most people don't know about.

I heard the word salacious mention.

Well, it's scandalous.

Oh, scandalous, not malicious.

But you're too innocent to read this book, okay?

I'm too innocent.

Don't read the book.

Everybody that's listening to this, do not read American Dawn.

Believe me.

You're the only author I've ever

heard that said, don't read my book.

Don't

read it.

It's scandalous.

It's scandalous.

Matt, we appreciate you being with us today's row.

I love your ability to take these things, make the things that I don't always get legally and put them into real terms.

That means a lot to me.

So, so I don't, our listeners and viewers like it as well.

So thank you very much for being with us, Matt.

Have a great weekend.

We'll talk to you later.

Good to be with you.

Same to you.

Always a pleasure, Matt Flynn.

Coming up next, what's worse, renting or owning your chance to phone in and Peter Rapine with a week in.

Don't go anywhere.

It's the all-bowl show for a Friday.

On to Civic Media.

Ready to work.

From the Civic Media World Headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin, it's the Todd Alba Show.

And now, pursuing truth wherever it may lead, here's your host, Todd

Alba.

Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm Todd Albaugh, along with our engineer and producer, Mr. Aaron Zommers, on the board.

It is six minutes past the hour of three o'clock on this Friday, June 27th, 2025.

It is a great day to be Wisconsinite.

Glad to be with you.

Hour number two of the big program here at the World Headquarters, downtown Madison, State Street.

Want to take a little look at the Sam Davison Street Camp?

Or is

I don't think

it's I moved over there.

It's partly cloudy skies right now some sun coming in and downtown Madison people are out the bow is a little it needs to be washed off somehow the lens got a little A little blurry there.

Sorry about

that.

Oh, no,

it's clearing up.

It's clearing up slowly, but surely like oh they have the

The street blocked off something happening on must be something going on in State Street today.

They have the upper part of State Street block a barricade.

Yeah, I wonder what it is.

They have a Farmers market in the morning.

They do that for that.

Also, I know this weekend There's gonna be a concert in Camp Randall.

Oh, that's right Morgan wallet,

but I wouldn't think they'd have

this

closed off up here for that

The

way I know things are going to down things there is people are enjoying themselves in downtown Madison Hopefully you're enjoying yourself Maybe a few showers isolated thunderstorms across parts of Wisconsin today, but in below will keep us updated on that but overall fairly nice weekend I think for most of Wisconsin maybe some storm is rolling through I think Saturday night into Sunday as well some of those could be

a little heavy, but seasonal, seasonal summer, summer weather.

Asomers, you were off yesterday and you're going to have a big, big vacation.

That's fantastic.

We support that.

But it kind of fell through.

Yeah.

So I was going to go see a singer.

Banks is her name with my sister, who really loves her.

And so the other day she posts on her Instagram story.

That all right guys gonna have to reschedule the count the concert because something big came up you'll understand and then takes that off of the story and so we're like so is it cancelled or not.

And a bunch of people contact customer service and they're like everything on our end says it's still going through.

And then Wednesday night we do get the official email nope turns out she is rescheduling the concert because.

She got an offer to open up for Lana Del Rey in the UK, which would make it pretty difficult to also play a concert in Chicago at the same

time.

Let me get this straight.

She ditched you and all your friends to go play in the UK.

Yeah.

That's terrible.

I mean, I truly feel like here you took the day off and everything, but I guess at least you had a day

off.

Yeah, I just chilled at home.

Yeah.

All right,

well, very good.

Glad to have you back.

Thank you very much.

Thanks to everyone.

Parker Olson for being here yesterday.

Yes, thank you, Parker.

He did a great job.

Always great to have Zomers back on the board.

Coming up at the bottom of this hour, we are going to check in with our old friend, Peter Rapine, who has been on vacation himself to Europe for a couple of weeks.

We'll ask him how that went.

But more importantly, as the managing editor of E-Palm's World, he brings us bi-weekly, the news of the world of the wild, wacky,

real behavior of humans and how crazy it can be.

So headlines of the week in review with Peter Rapine at the bottom of the hour.

Our very own news director, Shelley Pittman, who is all over this breaking news this afternoon in the state capital at last word, when it comes to the joint finance committee, the budget process, they were supposed to meet yesterday that got

pushed back to today at 10 a.m., which got pushed back to 2 a.m.

and now Shaly reports that it's now 4 p.m.

and it's when they're going to meet tonight or this afternoon, we'll see if that holds, our very own Dan Schaefer of the Reconbobulation Area and Civic Media's political editor reporting at the top of this show that his sources are telling him, Dan Schaefer, that Republicans now have reached out to Democratic Senate leader, Diane Hesselebein,

and have invited senator Hesselbein into negotiations on the state budget because they feel that it's going to take at least some democratic votes in order to pass a budget.

Both state senator Kappenga and Noss Republicans have publicly said there are no right now and so it could mean that Democrats have to be brought in, which I think is a good thing to have a bipartisan vote or a bipartisan budget, but this is complicated things.

because the Republicans, at least in the Senate, cannot whip their caucus, and that's what it's called in politics, whipping the votes, getting people in line politically, not physically.

But wouldn't that be something?

Anyway, they're trying to whip the votes politically.

They can't get there, so they've invited in Democrats, according to Dan Schaffer's reporting.

So that might be part of what's slowing this down.

Shaly Pittman is all over this and will bring us the headlines as they become available.

Also,

She is listening in right now, and this is how great Shelly Pittman is.

She knows everything about Madison.

She knows why the blockade is up in the 100 block of State Street is because it's the mad lit event series.

And tonight it's Latin night.

How did I not know about this?

I didn't either.

It is Latin night tonight in downtown Madison.

It'll be a good time had by all.

So that'll be fun.

I know I know what I'm doing after work.

The truck's already parked.

I'm just gonna go outside and have a Latin night.

So for me, it's one of my roommates' birthdays tomorrow and

we're going out

to celebrate tonight.

So I will be doing that.

Have fun with that.

I know the oldest, my favorite oldest, God, some of my favorite oldest, favorite youngest, the favorite oldest, Alex, and his girlfriend, Keegan, are in town.

I think we're gonna hang out a little bit.

We talked about doing a kayaking camping trip on the river a little too steamy.

a little too

steamy and hot.

So the secondary option is having a beverage on the deck.

Which is fine.

Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing.

Nothing wrong with that.

So and then on Monday, this will be a lot of fun on Monday.

Pat Crite low and Trigby Olson taking the reins for the first hour of the show.

We have planned to have states that are Keldor Royce on updating this on the state budget process.

Todd is going to be at my 80th step.

Mother's not my age.

Would that be something?

Yes.

I remade

a lot

of times.

My dad had 80 wives.

Honestly, that's impressive for somebody who doesn't live in Utah.

Oh, there's a joke there somewhere.

Anyway, my stepmother is turning 80 on Monday.

There's a little happening Monday afternoon.

So I'm going to go to Sean and dip in on that and then dip out and go to Green Bay.

I'll be bringing you the second half of the show from the Green Bay studios, although I have not talked to Todd Michaels about that.

Well, he's been on vacation.

He's been on vacation.

I think it'll be fun, because we're going to do it in the conference room.

Right, right.

We're going to do it a little.

It

shouldn't be an issue.

I could do it from the shower.

You had to fully clothed of course, but I could do there's a shower at green man.

That would sound horrible.

I know it would sound horrible.

Anyway, that's the show on Monday.

That'll be a lot of fun.

You got quite low.

You got Trig V states that are killed a Royce.

You got myself and then probably our folks in Wisconsin watch will stop in.

So that'll be the Monday show.

All right.

Right now is 13 minutes past the hour of three o'clock time for what's worse.

Let's

go.

Again, for what's worse, no prize money involved, nothing to give away, but it is your chance to have your voice heard across statewide radio.

All 11 stations, second largest radio network, only behind Wisconsin Public Radio.

But boy, the way things are going, we might end up being the first, I'm not the biggest.

Certainly heading

that direction.

That's sad, sad, bad, not glad, feel bad for our colleagues and media.

at Wisconsin Public Radio making a lot of cuts here this last week.

But as they say, that's another bottle of wine.

Right now at the top of our list is what's worse category today.

And I guess this is timely because during the summer, lots of projects, maybe tree trimming, lawn mowing, spraying.

Putting in new floors,

replacing

your carpet with

hardwood.

And you think to yourself, well, I don't want to buy that piece of equipment.

It's like 300 bucks, so I'll just rent it.

Well,

Here we go, the category today, what's worse?

Renting or owning?

Renting or owning?

8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, 8-5-5-7-5-2-4-8-4-2, or text us on the Civic Media app.

No better place to get the app than the, or to text into the Civic Media app.

By the way, it's Friday.

Remember it's Friday?

It is Friday.

We've had such a breaking news day.

It just occurred to me that today is Friday because one of the things you can do on the Civic Media app is the old free Friday ticket giveaway where we give away four Milwaukee Brewer tickets.

It just occurred to me.

Yeah.

Oops.

So let's do something can we do this time?

What can we do to bits at the same time summers?

I think we have to

I think we have to so if you want to call in on what's worse 8 5 5 7 5 2 4 8 4 2 renting or owning But right now at 16 past 3 is time once again for a free ticket Friday.

Let's go Sorry, I went too fast that that was the problem We'll get there.

I promise you

That's

right, it's time for Free Ticket Pradi.

Give away four tickets to a Milwaukee Brewer game to be named later.

No, we'll look it up for you.

We'll tell you which game it is.

You have to be able to go to a specific game and we're going to give you a word here in just a minute.

When we give you the word, then text in, download the Civic Media app at your app store, Apple or Android device.

It is free, all right?

Open up the app.

The first 11 stations are the ones that we're on.

Click on one of the first 11 stations on the Civic Media app, and then there'll be a lower right hand corner.

It'll say text.

Zomers is about to give you a word.

First of all, Zomers, do we have the game, the day this is for?

Yeah, this one is a quicker turnaround than normal.

It is the versus the Rockies this Sunday.

So Sunday the 29th at 1 10 p.m.

So you have to be able to go this Sunday the 29th at 1 10 p.m.

Against the Colorado Rockies you cannot trade it for another game All right, so if you can go this Sunday in just a couple of days here the word to text right now is Play

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So you're gonna be competing against a smaller pool of people than usual, therefore your chances of winning are much greater.

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So we have breaking news you understand it was a busy busy first hour all those breaking news So text the word play pl a y right now to the civic media app and at the end of this hour Somebody is going to be chosen to go to this game this Sunday again You have to be able to go to the game this Sunday All right at 1 10 p.m.

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There you go.

Well done, Zombers.

We're talking about rent, different kind of rent.

What's better?

What's worse, I should say?

What's worse?

Yes, Todd, that's the bit we've been doing for months.

What's worse?

Renting or owning?

855-752-4842.

855-752-4842.

Also, you can text us on the Civic Media app.

It is, uh, uh, listed on WISS.

Text it in saying if you own it.

then you can rent it out.

Just something to think about.

Well, there you go.

You buy something, you rent it yourself.

Make a little money.

Make your money back on that.

That's a good one.

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Dave in New Berlin says, owning is worse because if it breaks down, it's somebody else's problem.

All right, very good.

What else here?

Robert in McFarland listening on WI-

or MDX rather, pardon me.

Robert says, so I rented a house once for three years and I really enjoyed living there and now I've owned a house for almost three years and I really enjoy living here.

So I don't have a strong opinion today on either way.

All right, very good.

I've both owned a home, rented.

I think for me, the biggest thing when you own, you're building equity of some sort.

And I always feel when I rent like I am right now,

that essentially is a glorified hotel room.

You're

not

wrong.

I mean, once my money is it's just it's just gone there.

So also in the middle of our free Friday ticket giveaway up for grabs right now until four o'clock.

We've got four tickets, club level seat tickets.

These are the really nice ones in the the seats are right below the Skybox Suites.

So you're not quite the suite.

But the next best thing right below that is the club level.

They're padded seats on the third base side.

You can see right down into the Brewer's dugout.

Great view of the big scoreboard.

And then behind you, you have air conditioned concourse, your own private concessions and bathrooms.

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At the end of this hour, the computer will randomly select one of those entries and someone will be going free of charge.

You and three of your friends to the Brewers game on Sunday.

Guess what?

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Thank you.

It's a statewide contest.

Len in Madison says, what's worse, renting or owning, so many variables to consider.

Cost difference, frequency of use, convenience, storage, maintenance, complexity, and there's always the pride of ownership.

Yeah, all those are great points.

Totally.

You do get some pride, right?

Owning something?

Here's one for the attorneys.

Dave in New Berlin says, how many times can I enter to win?

Once in hours, isn't it?

Yeah, well, once per show.

Once per show.

All right, so technically you could have texted the word if we had told you during the first hour of today's show and it would be either in the two and three PM hour you get one.

But then if Maggie has a word in her show, you can enter then.

All right.

So very good to listen to Maggie show up for ours.

I think they're going to have a word today as well.

So, and then, you know, other shows are quite low show has it a Jane McNair show has it with Greg Bach every day or every Friday as well.

I think they they career pigeon award to Hartman and he has a word is like that to the Tom Hartman show and then us and then Maggie.

So all these shows, you can listen to them every Friday and you can win enter once per show.

So once per show, the word is play, P-L-A-Y, P-L-A-Y, text us the word play and you are eligible to win those Brewer Tickets for Sunday.

Tom in New Berlin, listening to WAUK says, renting certain tools when I buy, I treat it like it's rented.

All right, there you go.

I've known people who are very meticulous about their tools and they last forever I I worked for a guy at a lawns escaping company one time and every time he'd use like a shovel or anything to plant a tree He would scrape it down and then wash it and then dry it and hang it back up and it is tools like you know virtually new for years You know he'd had it for 40 years.

It looked like it was

almost new.

That's the thing for me where owning is

Having to do maintenance is both an upside and a downside because you control how your stuff is treated so you can make it last.

But also you have to take care of it.

Yeah, absolutely.

Sean and Richland Center, listening on the Great Station, WRCE back home says, if it snowmobiles, owning is way worse.

But a new snowmobile two years ago hasn't snowed since.

Sean, I feel like that's so true.

I know other people have said that.

Yeah.

It's snowmobiles are a bit like.

owning a boat.

Kenny Chesley on his No Issues radio on Series XM always says, he's a big boat guy, Caribbean guy.

He, the old adages, the two best days when you own a boat are the day you buy it, the day you sell it.

I've always heard never buy a

boat.

You want a friend with a boat.

You never want

to buy the boat.

Right, exactly.

Exactly.

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If you want to weigh in, what's worse, rent your owning zammers.

It's see it's tough because I think both have their their places Like I would never want to rent an instrument like a musical instrument.

I don't want to rent someone else's trombone I want to own a trombone or a drum set or whatever but also For and as far as a house sure it'd be cool to own a house someday But right now renting works better.

So I mean I guess I'm glad they both exist But I think renting it is easier to get screwed over because either the thing doesn't work or

You're paying too much money for

your answer is

rent is worse

It's a long ways to go in a short time to get there.

I'll agree renting is worse.

That is that is my opinion.

I'd rather own

If I had a choice, but there are maybe occasions when renting is okay, but overall renting is worse Alright, thanks for playing that keep texting in the word play PLAY for your chance to win those free Brewer tickets text them on the Civic Media app PLAY text them right now to win tickets for a Sunday back with Peter Rapine We can review from E-bomb's world after this stay with us

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He's the managing editor of ebombsworld.com He joins us live from beautiful Brooklyn, New York via StreamYard He's back in the US our friend our ongoing contributor mr. Peter Rapine Peter how the heck are

you?

I'm doing great

Yeah, no trouble getting back into the country I'm

glad to see you made it back because for those that don't know we have we have a larger audience I think today because our friend Dan Schaefer was a huge following was kind enough to come on our program with serious breaking news at the top of the show regarding the state budget by the way the joint finance committee scheduled now to meet at four o'clock her news team is all over that but Dan Schaefer brings along a bunch of viewing guests on this

and otherwise, so lots of people, Peter, that might not know you, you come to us every week, every other week, pardon me, E-POMS World, you can find all these headlines at E-POMS World, E-B-A-U-M-S-W-O-R-L-D.

Now, Peter, we don't like to go too far in your private life, but you've been very open.

You went on this big European vacation a couple of weeks ago.

You went to Zurich, and obviously, Customs and Border Patrol said you were worthy to come back home, and we're very happy about that.

Yeah, thankfully, uh, they didn't look through my phone unlike they did not look at your first story on our line of today, which I'm glad you have not seen the photo.

I have not.

Uh, so

before for those, again, for first time viewers.

These are not fictional.

These are not made up things.

These are actual stories of actual real, idiotic, stupid human behavior that you all at E-Bombs World curate and bring to us every other week as real headlines.

Yes, I always like to say we're funny, but we're not this funny.

We truly live in a world that is stranger to fiction.

Yes.

And unlike the guy in our first story today, I was able to get back into the country.

All

right.

First, I'm really glad that you haven't seen this one because you're going to love it.

All right.

First headline.

Headline reads Norwegian tourists allegedly denied entry into U.S.

over JD Vance Photoshop.

Norwegian tourists allegedly denied entry into the U.S.

over a JD Vance Photoshop.

So if you don't remember, a couple months ago, people were photoshopping JVans into all sorts of memes.

They were turning them into a baby.

They were giving them a long hair.

They were making his cheeks nice, big, and rosy.

And I should say before we get into this that the Department of Homeland Security came out and said that he wasn't denied entry into the country for the Photoshop specifically, but because he admitted to some drug use, which

seems like not the type of reason you would stop someone in coming to the country that wants to go on vacation.

I mean, if that was the case,

Elon Musk wouldn't be able to come into the country anymore, but

that's another

story.

I'll describe the photo itself.

Please go ahead.

There's a photo of JD Vance where his face has been made to look like a baby's face.

And he has the biggest rosy his cheeks imaginable and a incredibly smooth bald head.

I'm looking at it now.

It's spooky.

And the 21 year old tourists whose name is Mads Milkinson, not Mads Milkinson that everyone knows, says he was harassed and that's, you know, interviewed by ICE for over a couple of hours.

And then once they saw this meme on his phone, they put him on a flight and sent him home.

And we have some audio from the Ireland parliament talking about this issue.

This is actually extra of the Irish parliament talking about this very issue.

All

right, here we go.

in a Western democracy.

This week, a young Norwegian tourist detained by ICE at New York Airport and sent back to Oslo.

Why?

He had this meme on his phone, Minister, a meme depicting Vice President JD Vance as a baby.

I mean, extraordinary, extraordinary, that a young person with this amusing meme on their phone depicting a public person, that this would be used as an excuse to detain him for five hours and then deport him back to Oslo.

So, Minister, I welcome the tarnishedest commitment.

to raise the serious issue with the U.S.

ambassador.

But as the line minister for issuing visas, what can you do to reassure young people here?

I

think we probably got it

there.

My

favorite part is how she says, like a baby.

I know.

I'm going to say, first of all, any Irish person, I could listen to them talk for hours and be entertained, because I love an Irish accent.

So any travelers planning on coming to the U.S.

this summer,

Just wipe your phone before you do.

I mean, it's one of those things, right?

Peter, where it's it's it's funny, obvious, entertaining, but yet it's not because here we have the US government telling people they can't come into America because they have a comedic meme, a photo that's making fun of an elected official.

I mean, holy cow.

Also, the funniest part about it is everyone in Europe is now sharing that meme over the place.

It's in headlines, it's in the parliament, it's everywhere.