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I'm Todd Albaugh along Mr. Parker Olson, our engineer and producer for a vacation in Zomers for the day.
It is six minutes past the hour of two o'clock.
Welcome, everyone, on this Thursday, June 26, 2025.
It is a great day to be a Wisconsinite here at the World Headquarters of Downtown Madison of Civic Media.
Overcast skies right now, a sun trying to peek through, a little sultry, a little sticky in downtown Madison, and big puffy clogs.
it feels Parker Olsen like there could be a downpour at any moment.
That's a very good word.
Oh, yeah.
perfect.
Absolutely.
I appreciate you being here, Parker.
Of course, Parker, newer to Civic Media, but is doing a fine job as the new producer of Mornings with Pat Krightlow every morning from six until nine across the Civic Media Ready Network.
Parker, how you liking it so much is Krightlow treating you right.
on the boat.
I haven't actually been on it.
I've seen it.
I've stood next to it, but I haven't been on it yet.
Did he let you wear the captain's hat?
No, but I didn't ask.
It's a cool hat.
It does look like
But no, you do a great job and happy to have you here.
I love the fact we have more young people on board.
You actually went to school for radio and broadcasting and media, which I really, really appreciate as well.
Oh, thank you.
And you went to your graduate, recent graduate of UW Whitewater.
Baseball
hey,
Agreed.
That's why I went at the time, back in the ancient times, that's why I went to Plattville because they had a great, I would say Plattville at the time had either the first or second best broadcasting program in the state.
And I went there and immediately I was on the air.
for better or worse.
Yeah.
for
At this point for better.
Ask Kevin O'Connor and other people that could set the record straight.
Glad to have you here Parker, as long as it will be back.
We think tomorrow he is at a gnarly concert.
tonight.
We'll see if he's recovered in time tomorrow.
Otherwise, Parker, we may have to have you back tomorrow.
He's getting too wild.
I don't know.
We'll see.
But Zommer's will be back tomorrow.
Lots on the show today coming up at the bottom of the hour.
Our old friend and ongoing contributor, Matt Flynn, two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.
An attorney, an author, and veteran of the United States Navy will be in with us via StreamYard.
Talk about some of these big Supreme Court cases in Wisconsin.
Gonna get to that in just a bit, couple big rulings.
The one I find the most interesting is yesterday the Wisconsin State Supreme Court said, no way, we are not going to hear a new case brought to us by Democrats on redistricting on the maps for the congressional maps.
Now, last year, they got new maps for the state legislature, but that was different.
There was a different set of circumstances.
We'll get into that in a bit, and we'll talk later why I believe that the liberal leaning now, Wisconsin Supreme Court did the right thing yesterday by saying no to Democrats.
We'll explain why.
Matt Flynn will be in as well.
Always great to have Matt Flynn here at the bottom of the hour.
And hour number two,
It's going to be a great edition today of What's Worse in Hour Two.
It's your Know Your Cuts of Meat edition.
This is such a hard pick.
This is brutal.
No, it's Bratz versus Burgers in Hour Two.
We will ask you about that.
I say we'll explain Hour Two.
Parker, I'm sure you're too young to remember, but Letterman back on Letterman show, the CBS edition, they did this great segment.
It went on for quite a while.
They did it weekly, usually.
I think it was Thursday night.
And Letterman would go into the audience, and he would pick out a random person in the audience, and then they would flash up cut to meat and see if the person could tell what cut of meat this was.
Identify that meat?
Yeah, identify the cut of meat.
Know your cut to meat.
So we'll play the oblong edition of Know Your Cuts of Meat in hour two.
One of my favorite all-time letterman bits, actually.
That's all coming up.
We'll have lots of news to get to, but first...
Want to get to the weather for you a little bit?
This is serious stuff here as we have a number of well, I'm not a number one predominant We have a tornado watch remember a watch is when conditions are favorable But nothing has been seen either on the ground or radar right now We're just letting you know ahead of time it is for a large block of Western, Wisconsin in particular our listeners on WCFW the tap, you know Clare the tornado watch is just south it starts just south of Eau Claire
goes down through Whitehall and Trepolo.
are also our listeners at WLCX in La Crosse.
It includes all of La Crosse County and our listeners on WRCE in Richland Center.
It includes Richland County and Vernon County as well.
And maybe even a few of our listeners at FHR in Wisconsin Rapids.
So that kind of entire Midwestern section of Wisconsin is under a tornado watch until eight o'clock tonight for listeners just south of W...
XCO in Wausau and certainly for FHR in Wisconsin Rapids, those folks are under a flood watch.
So again, could be some heavy rains.
Some grounds are already saturated.
So be on the lookout, be prepared.
And I know I say this and you wouldn't think you'd have to and it's kind of trite, but it's true.
Turn around, don't drown.
In other words, if you come up to a road that is covered in water and you cannot see
the concrete or the black top, do not think that you're cool or that you're driving a duck boat and you can get through it because oftentimes the road is washed out underneath of what you can see and it just caves in or your car stalls out and then there are good EMT and emergency responder personnel has to get out and save your story posterior.
So don't put them at risk.
Just be cognizant.
If you come across a flooded area, turn around.
find a different alternative and don't drown.
in
it can happen quickly.
yeah, it can happen really quickly.
So just looking at weather radar right now, live weather radar, we can see a cell of storms, not severe, but a cell of storms just north and west of Richland Center.
So I would say right around the Lafarge area.
And that is moving to the west right now.
Also a thunderstorm cell around Baraboo and Reedsburg, just south of Wisconsin Dells and another cell just south of LaCrosse.
crossing the Mississippi River and going into Vernon County.
There is a large line of storms and strong storms from kind of Eau Claire.
over towards the Twin Cities Minneapolis down through Rochester down into Iowa all the way down to Des Moines.
That entire line is moving to the west, pardon me, to the east right now.
So that is the reason for this tornado watch in effect for Western Wisconsin until 8 p.m.
and the Flash Flood Watch in effect until through later on tonight.
We'll keep you updated.
Britt Irleau, our meteorologist, will be in to keep us updated as well and stay apprised to your favorite weather.
to, to, uh, be, be in the know when it comes to weather.
14 models, 15 minutes now past the hour of two o'clock.
Want to start in the news on this breaking.
Well, it's not really breaking anymore, but new news today.
Headline from the Associated Press key Medicaid provision in Trump's big tax cut and spending bill is found to violate Senate rules.
This is.
This is I know this gets a little insider baseball stuff and who knows how they'll try to screw it around it.
But I think at least for me, you take every bit of hope you can possibly have of what's going on in Washington to say, well, maybe they can't do everything that they want to do in terms of cutting Medicaid.
Here now from the Associated Press says the Senate parliamentarian.
has advised that a key medical provider tax overhaul that is central to President Donald Trump's big tax cut and spending bill does not adhere to procedural rules, delivering a crucial blow to Republicans rushing to finish the massive package this week.
The guidance today for the parliamentarian is rarely ignored and it forces GOP leaders to consider options.
Tenant leaders could try to revise or strip it from the package otherwise.
the provision will be challenged during floor votes.
It will require a 60 vote threshold to keep it in a tall order in the narrowly split Senate.
Democrats are unified against the Republican president's bill.
Republican leaders are relying on the provider tax change to save billions of dollars for the Medicaid healthcare program for the massive tax cut package.
But they've been struggling to rally support because several GOP senators warn it could harm rural hospitals who depend on the funds.
The outcome is a setback for Senate Republicans who hope to launch votes on the package by the end of this week, i.e.
tomorrow, to meet Trump's 4th of July deadline for passage, that from the Associated Press at this hour, to put it down where the chickens could get at it, as Judge Weissman once said.
What this really does the Senate Parliamentary Senate Parliamentarian Yes, I get paid to talk for a living the Parliamentarian is not something you hear a lot about It is someone who serves yes at the pleasure of the Senate and the Senate majority leader, but that individual is seen as pretty darn close to nonpartisan and they're there to interpret the rules of the Senate the Senate
each house gets to set their own rules.
And this is why we've seen before, you know, on both sides, they say, well, we're going to blow everything up in the Senate and we're not going to allow filibustering.
But then the other side could do the same thing when they get back in power.
So the Senate, I think, you know, as someone who worked in the House of Representatives for about five years under former Wisconsin.
Congressman Scott Kluge, the Senate is much more sticklers when it comes to following internal institutional rules, for better or for worse.
In this case, if they adhere to their own rules and the person they put in charge of interpreting their rules, it may actually be a good thing here because the parliamentarian has said, yeah, guys, mostly guys.
This doesn't meet muster of your very own rules and it would take 60 votes to get past that So we'll keep a we'll keep an eye on this we talked yesterday about this article in the Hill Republican Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri a guy.
I don't Say this about much But I agreed with what he said yesterday saying that the bill has to be different or
Rural hospitals in Missouri, let alone Wisconsin are going to suffer and very likely go out of business Not business go out of business And then we said yesterday that's very serious because Here in Wisconsin sock County right below Wisconsin Dell sock County the public Used to be called the county home the public nursing home in sock County is looking at going under right now
already because of a lack of funding.
Now put on some of these Republican, uh, proposed cuts, further cuts under Trump's bill could be the demise of a lot more nursing home facilities, rural hospitals around Wisconsin.
And that is why it matters.
Come on back.
More news headlines.
Matt Flynn at the bottom of the hour.
And it's a park of Ramaday here on the Todd all ball show.
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Wherever it may lead and having fun doing it welcome back the title ball show on the civic media we're coming up after the bottom of the hour update Mr. Matt Flynn will be in talking about Supreme Court decisions here in Wisconsin a lot of people Cut out big checks on the progressive left during the Supreme Court race in the spring said if we could only get Judge Crawford on the bench We'll bring back this lawsuit that the
conservative, controlled, uh, uh, Supreme Court said no to and we'll get new maps for, for our congressional lines and, and we'll have more Democrats elected in Wisconsin and they elected Susan Crawford.
And now the liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court yesterday said, nay, nay, from strangers, stay away.
Did they have that still in school when you were going through school?
didn't.
So I was going through grade school.
It was like a whole thing about the police department would come in, and it was for grade school kids.
And so I had to stay safe.
And the little puppeter mascot to connect with the kids was called Patch the Pony.
And he would say, for nay nay, from strangers, stay away.
A
pony says nay nay.
Anyway, the Supreme Court has said the Wisconsin Supreme Court said, nope, we're not taking it up either, even though the liberals now control it.
I think it was the right decision.
I'll discuss it with Matt Flynn after the bottom of the hour.
We'll tell you why.
Take your phone calls as well.
If you want to give us a ring a ling.
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He's taking screening the calls today, and he'll do a great job, but just we have great callers.
He's in a
No, not at all.
Here's something new.
This is... We've been talking about this for quite a while here.
a month, the Joint Committee on Finance, better known as JFC.
I know that you would think the Joint Committee on Finance would be called JCF, but no, the acronym is JFC.
They have to make a JFC, so you think it means something else.
I guess Joint Finance Committee, but anyway, the Joint Committee on Finance of the Wisconsin State Legislature, controlled by Republicans, has been not meeting State Senator Keldor Royce, Democrat.
Madison has been on the show last month and a half saying, when are we going to meet?
Trying to get my Republican colleagues to meet.
They tried to meet here a couple of weeks ago and cut $87 million out of the University of Wisconsin system budget.
We were fortunate enough to help break that story and get it out early.
They got some angry phone calls.
They said, oops, can't do that.
At least not right now.
They tried to regroup and now there is consternation in the Senate Republican caucus.
All reports are that Senate Republicans do not have the votes to pass a budget right now.
And so you got Senator Kappenga.
Correct pronunciation.
We found that out by calling his office.
Lovely people by the way.
there.
Because there was a lot of discussion.
serious.
And Dan Schaefer, our political editor here and founder of the Reconpopulation area, of course he had it right.
But some of us didn't.
And so I thought I'm going to settle this.
So I called Senator Cap and his office and a lovely person there.
She answered the phone.
I said, how do you pronounce your boss's name?
And she told me.
She said, think of Cap and Gown.
I said, that's great.
Thank you.
Very kind.
So Senator Kappenga and also Senator Steve Nass right now say they're a no on the on the state budget.
So Republicans try to get their poop in a group as my former Pan teacher Lauren Jensen used to used to say.
She'd look at me and she goes, you cannot get your poop in a group.
Anyway, so now what they've decided to do and you've heard us use the term.
Friday afternoon news dump.
Usually in politics and media, the best time to announce something, to do something that you don't want the public to know about, is a Friday afternoon.
Because a lot of times media folks will cut out early for the weekend.
People are, especially this time of year, packing up to go camping for the weekend, and they're not paying attention.
But as my former social studies teacher Ken Lewis is fond of saying remember you're never so poor that you can't pay attention So we're paying attention here on a on a Thursday and I will tell you that the joint finance committee has announced that they are meeting tomorrow a Friday at 10 a.m over 50 5 0
You heard that right, 50 items on the agenda, including the University of Wisconsin system budget, children's and families, tourism, ag trade and consumer protection, all the health services stuff, all the correction stuff, building commission.
I mean, I've been around long enough, spent 30 years working in politics.
This is a completely undoable schedule if you're gonna do it right.
We'll see what happens tomorrow.
And we'll be here, we'll be reporting on it as soon as we come on the air.
But there's only two ways, in my opinion, based on experience, that they're gonna do this.
A, it's already cut and dried.
And they're gonna come in with one big motion for all 50 things.
It's gonna be an up or down vote.
It'll be done in 15 minutes.
It'll either be that or this will drag on into Saturday morning and they'll have a vote at about 2.30 on Saturday morning in the dead of night.
If they were gonna get this done now, who knows?
Come tomorrow, they may cancel it at nine o'clock in the morning.
They don't think they have the votes.
But if they're going to go ahead of this meeting, that means that they think they have the votes.
But there's no way you can have proper debate and go through each one of these agencies in one afternoon.
50 items of JFC.
We'll stay on top of that.
Come on back a little news weather sports update.
Pam Yankee and the Midwest Farm Report is next and then Matt Flynn directly after this.
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We'll get to that before this is all over.
And a United States Navy veteran, he is Matt Flynn.
He joins us from his home in Milwaukee via StreamYard.
Matt, good afternoon.
Thanks for coming on.
Well, I appreciate that.
Here's what a great guy, a great friend, Matt, is.
These breaking Supreme Court decisions came down late yesterday.
And I thought, well, I'm not sure how much time I'm going to spend on it.
And as the morning wore on, I'm like, I really need a better expert on this.
And Matt's at lunch for good and sake.
And then he goes, no, no, no, I'll be home in time.
And here you are, Matt.
I can't appreciate you enough.
Thank you very much.
My pleasure, gonna be with you, Tom.
So let's get into this.
This from wispolitics.com, just to set this up, but I want your reaction to it.
Wispolitics saying, quote, Republicans are hailing a unanimous decision by the state Supreme Court to reject two lawsuits asking the justices to withdraw Wisconsin's congressional maps ahead of the 2026 election.
The request received national attention with control of the narrowly divided house at stake next fall.
That's particularly true with Republican lawmakers in Ohio and Texas looking to redraw their maps to boost their chances of picking up additional seats.
The two petitions for original action in Wisconsin were viewed as some by an opportunity for Democrats
to pick up two house seats in Wisconsin with Republicans now enjoying a 6-2 advantage in the congressional delegation.
But Matt, yesterday, the Wisconsin Supreme Court said, no, that we're not taking this up.
They did not give a reason why.
This was a lawsuit in part filed by the Elias Group.
Help me understand this.
I think it was the exact same suit they filed last year with a conservative-controlled...
Wisconsin Supreme Court.
And I think, Matt, a lot of Democrats wrote some pretty heavy checks thinking, you know, well, this'll be great.
We get Crawford in there.
We'll get new maps.
Is it possible some Democrats are trying to get a return on their investment, Matt?
A refund?
No, I think it's more than that.
I mean, Elias is a heck of a lawyer, and I think he's on the right track.
There's a couple of things to keep in mind.
One is his file is an original action.
While they're permitted to do that, a lot of times the Supreme Court will say, no, we're not going to take an original action and be the fact finders ourselves, let it bubble up through the rest of the judicial system.
So I have no idea what they're thinking is on that.
But secondly, remember something, they did signal that they would reapportion the state legislature.
At least they took it up.
And the Republicans, in effect, scrambled and ultimately agreed with the Democrats.
on new maps.
Now, many Democrats, on one of them, felt that it didn't go far enough.
But you know something there's an old saying about settlements, that if both sides are unhappy, it was a good settlement.
So the fact is we have eight congressional seats, we have the two Democrats, yet we get half or so of the congressional vote.
There are a couple of reasons why they might not have taken this thing.
One is they'll let it bubble up through the court system.
But the other thing is the U.S.
Supreme Court has ruled that you can't, ungerrimander, gerrymander, just to kind of cure what you think are partisan objectives.
You can't do that.
So they have to rely on the state constitution.
The third congressional district looks very wobbly for the Republicans this year, with Van Orton.
Van Orton's terrible, and we have some darn good candidate over there.
Then secondly, the first congressional district, you know, you're talking about Racine, Kenosha, Janesville, Beloit.
Yes, it's Republican, but it's not rock solid necessarily Republican.
So it is possible that there are two seats in play, and they want to sit back and wait and see what happens.
So I don't...
criticize them for doing it.
It's not a question of appealing to me for writing a check or not.
I didn't write checks to accomplish the result.
I do it because I believe in the Democratic Party.
But I would say this does not surprise me.
There are procedural reasons.
There are reasons with Wisconsin and federal precedent.
And it does not mean that at some point they won't do
it.
Yeah.
And this is your reaction to this, Matt.
is a great example of why I admire and respect you as a Democrat.
I came up through the Republican Party.
I left it in 2011 for reasons I've talked about on this show before because my former party
was
into voter suppression, which, you know, I just wasn't into that.
So I said adios.
But because there were on social media last night, yesterday afternoon, there were a lot of Democrats who were salty.
to say the least at this decision, thinking that, well, if they got Crawford in there, this is going to be a slam dunk.
I agree with you, Matt.
I think this is good because I think if people really say, oh, no, I don't want MAP's favoring either party, I just want what's right, then you should be happy with this decision because I think that I don't think that government is made better by
major party swings on either side.
It's made better when you have people elected, like this current iteration of the Liberal Supreme Court of Wisconsin, that say, we're going to do the right thing.
We're going to follow the Constitution and we're going to follow the law.
And I think that's what they did here.
And there's a couple of things.
I'll just differ just a little bit on that one.
And that is that it is still gerrymandered at the congressional level.
It really is.
They are looking at possibly at the third and maybe at the first as being in play.
We have good candidates in the third.
In the first, I don't know who else is going to be taking it on.
However, not other states play by these rules.
So, for instance, four years ago, New York Democrats re-jerrymandered so that they would have picked up a few extra seats.
the highest court in New York said no, even though they're Democrats.
On the other hand, North Carolina and Texas shamelessly, shamelessly gerrymandered.
So you could say from a Wisconsin point of view, we don't want to do this, but because others are so bad, there's such no good nicks, we should do something to offset them nationally.
But you can't, if you're a fair judicial system like we have in Wisconsin, you can't get into this tit for tat business trying to
solve what North Carolina and Texas did.
We're talking with Matt Flynn, two-time chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, an attorney and author and a Navy veteran.
Matt, I don't disagree with you.
I agree that the current iteration of Wisconsin's congressional maps are gerrymandered.
I want to come back to that in a minute.
But first of all, let's keep Todd honest here on, explain a little bit my understanding.
I think that one of the people, because people will say, well, they, to your point, Matt, they basically forced
an agreement between both sides on this on the state legislative maps was different.
Correct me if I'm wrong Matt, but the the main part of that lawsuit that went for the or suit that went for Wisconsin Supreme Court was that there were non-contiguous parts of legislative districts.
In other words, instead of having a solid line and a legislative district being within that one boundary, that one line, there were literally islands of one district.
in somebody else's district.
Well, that's clearly, in my opinion, is a non-lawyer unconstitutional.
We don't have that, am I correct, in Wisconsin's, even though they're gerrymandered, we don't have that in the congressional lines.
Now, think about this.
The U.S.
Supreme Court has a case that says you can't redistrict by judicial fiat
tend to do a gerrymander.
You just can't, a political gerrymander, not a racial but political, you can't do it.
So therefore, the Wisconsin Supreme Court has to comb the state constitution to look for ways to do it under the state constitution.
Now the easiest way to do that with these non-contiguous districts, I think it may have been just South of Mattis and the, you know, somewhere the Oregon area or something, and some guy had a little, you know, enclave of holes.
10 miles away.
That's clearly a violation of the Wisconsin Constitution.
So the Wisconsin Supreme Court signaled we'll take it on that basis.
that scared the Republicans who were shameless gerrymanders.
I have absolutely no brief for them.
They're dishonest as hell.
But they said, oh, my God, if these guys get in there and use that as an excuse, we're screwed.
So therefore they made concessions.
I felt they didn't make enough.
But anyway, Evers felt differently.
Evers and I have felt differently on occasion.
So therefore he took it.
OK.
And we picked up state Senate seats.
We picked up.
In Milwaukee, we picked up what had been a Republican state Senate seat.
So you have to build incrementally.
There is not the same issue in the congressional districts.
In other words, you don't have the guy in Janesville having a little spot up in Washoe.
You just have that.
So they probably looked at it and said, as a Supreme Court, if we take this, it's going to be overturned by the 7th Circuit in the U.S.
Supreme Court.
So we're going to say no, but it doesn't mean forever.
Right.
And there are ways of racial gerrymander and other things.
We have essentially a barbell district, Madison and Milwaukee, two of them.
And that's it.
And the rest of it.
And I'm going to say one final thing to my own party.
I have good friends throughout the state and some people up in northern Wisconsin.
Remember, Dave Obey used to represent it, my friend and so on.
I said, it's being gerrymandered.
You know what they said to me?
They said, Matt.
You could slice it any way you want it, but in the present environment, it'll be very hard for a Democrat to get elected up here.
That's what they said, because of all the social issues and all the other stuff and the split in our own party.
So we have an obligation as Democrats to look at this and get rid of all this identity politics business of picking candidates and just getting down to business and putting in good, solid Democrats.
I'm a Democrat in the Truman John Kennedy.
Bill Clinton, Franklin Roosevelt tradition.
And I think we have to take some responsibility from our own candidate.
If you want to have a question for Matt or a comment on the Supreme Court decision yesterday, not to take up the case on congressional lines here in Wisconsin.
Give us a call 855-752-4842.
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app.
About three minutes here, Matt, before the first break, I want to go back to this part about gerrymandering.
And I agree that the current lines, congressional lines in Wisconsin are gerrymandered.
But here is the thing.
And my late great friend, a former state senator, Tim Cullen, former Senate Majority Leader.
I know you do Senator Cullen as well.
He used to, I mean, he worked with my former boss, Dale Schultz, a Republican on fair maps.
And he'd say, Todd, you know, our party has been as guilty as the other side in years past.
Now, more recently, it's been much more Republican, but Democrats aren't held harmless here.
And I think the thing that people need to think about
When you brought up the Third Congressional District, for those that don't know, it basically goes just south of Rice Lake, all the way down the western side of the state to Dubuque and to the Illinois state line.
And then in the middle, it has this goofy, like a dog tail that goes over and takes in Stephen's point and then goes back over.
People should be aware that that map was originally, the main part of that map in the Third Congressional District was drawn that way.
Not for a Republican, but it was drawn that way in 2002 for Democrat Ron kind to make that seat more Democratic.
That's just a fact Matt
Yeah, well two things to keep in mind Ron kind and he used to practice in my law firm good friend of mine great congressman and Al Baldus was a great congressman Democrat So a Democrat can win over there.
He can win over there right now.
We have several good candidates and
I think that's in play.
Now, is the first district in play, Racine, Kenosha, Janesville, Beloit?
I don't know.
I think it is with the right candidates.
So I think that what the Supreme Court said is look.
We got away with doing this the way we wanted to, and we'll get back to it as we get on.
Alright, we'll come back more with Matt Flynn.
Redistricting was on his mind, and what's he writing about?
All that more, don't go to areas Matt Flynn will be back directly on The All Balls Show, on the Civic Media.
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Joining us via stream yard in Milwaukee, Matt, always a pleasure here.
Want to get to one important weather announcement here, Matt.
Just stay with us here.
Just stand by and looking at my phone here.
I believe we have some heavy weather coming into Juneau County at this hour.
And yes, as a matter of fact, we have a tornado.
warning now for Juno County.
And this is for the southwest corner of Juno County.
Former Governor Tommy Thompson is hometown, Elroy, Wisconsin under this right now, as well as Hillsboro in Vernon County and has just been issued.
until 315 this afternoon.
So again, a tornado warning for Southwest Juno County and Northeast Vernon County and could well be heading down into parts of Sock County soon.
So particularly for our listeners on the RCE in Richland Center that may be listening to the Hillsboro or Elroy area, a tornado warning for Elroy Hillsboro in that area until 315 will continue to keep you posted.
back with Matt Flynn now that before we move on on this ruling by the Wisconsin State Supreme Court yesterday on not taking up this case on congressional gerrymandering I just want to say this get your reaction to it and then I'll let it go I helped run John Sharples's race he was a he what today would be considered
a centrist or even a liberal Democrat.
He was a pro-choice Republican, pardon me.
He was a pro-choice Republican.
He was a professor here at EW Madison.
In 1998, he lost in the primary.
He ran, he was the nominee.
In 2000, took on Tammy Baldwin in her first re-elected Congress.
It was a less than 1% difference that Baldwin won that.
And the Republicans wanted Sharpless to take her on again in 2002.
And that's when the maps were up.
And John Sharpless had a phone call with then Congressman Paul Ryan.
And he said, well, what are the maps gonna look like?
And they basically said, look, this is going to be an incumbent map.
There's a deal made that it's off the record.
And the incumbents of both parties are going to get the maps they want.
And that's why Sharples didn't run again.
And so my point is in Wisconsin, historically, the congressional delegation, they basically decide what it's going to be.
And whoever controls the legislature goes along with it.
And so again, I just don't think when it comes to the congressional lines, this is all one party.
That was true up till Scott Walker.
Scott Walker imposed severe gerrymandering.
If I were on the Wisconsin Supreme Court now, I would have voted to take this case.
But what I'm saying is, is that I know these justices, they're good people, and I know why I think they did not.
But you have to keep something in mind.
The Sixth Tarantulas on the U.S.
Supreme Court would have overturned
any undjerrymandering they did based on Supreme Court precedent.
And you have Trump, who is imposing Kami government on us.
He's imposing, they call it authoritarian.
Let's call it what it is, Putin government.
The justices have to, in my view, be careful about how they do it to make sure that it sticks.
I would have aired on the side of going ahead anyway.
But so what?
It's not the end of the line.
This case can always be brought again.
Speaking to the Supreme Court of Wisconsin, Matt, I think everybody's like, OK, fine, all these elections are over.
I even hate to bring this up, Matt Flynn.
There is another Wisconsin Supreme Court race coming up next year.
As we say, the bad Bradley, Rebecca Bradley, is indicating that she might not run again.
This may be an open seat.
And I'd like the judges of this state to listen to what I'm about to say very, very carefully.
The Democratic Party is about to make the same mistake they made in the Senate race against Ron Johnson last time, which is squeezing out anybody that they haven't ratified.
What happened then is Mandela Barnes, a great guy, could have won, but the identity politics cult squeezed out the other three, and he looked as if he didn't have legitimacy, and he darned her one anyway.
In this case, they've all gotten behind Chris Taylor.
They have made calls to a distinguished judge in Burnett County told her to get out of the race a Distinguished judge in Milwaukee County.
They said get out of the race trying to clear it for her Chris Taylor does not have support.
She's not a good candidate I'm not gonna vote for her my message to the judges of the state There's more than 300 trial judges and dozens of appellate judges.
Many of you are very good people
You're independent.
I don't care which way you lean.
You're honest and you know the Constitution.
Somebody out there declare for this seat now.
It's not too late.
The identity politics cult will draw in their horns if anybody else runs.
But by trying to ram Chris Taylor down everybody's throats and she does not have support, what's going to happen is
that you'll end up with her and sadly Rebecca Bradley could win and we do not want that.
So let's get a judge who can win and who would be a credit to the Wisconsin Supreme
Court.
Bradley is indicated that she might not run period.
That she might not, you know, maybe open seat.
Come next spring.
Do you hear?
Are there other Democrats that you think should run?
Yes, but Democrats, yeah.
There are over 300 of them.
Two of them got squeezed out by the cult already.
They want to grease the skids.
My message is you can't grease the skids.
This is Wisconsin.
We're not going to put up with a bad candidate who'd be a terrible justice like Chris Taylor.
You have to.
Declare, for God's sake.
In fact, I hope the judge in Brent County and Milwaukee County changed their minds.
They get these
calls.
What's the name of your latest book?
Matthew J. Flynn, make sure you use the J, whatever books are sold.
Always a pleasure, my friend.
No short of opinions, that's what I love about it.
Always a pleasure, thanks man, I appreciate it.
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