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Wisconsin Doesn’t Need Three-Term Tony – Dan Shafer (Hour 1)
The Todd Allbaugh Show · Wed Jun 11, 2025
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And coming up at the bottom of this hour,
The founder of the Reconbobulation area and our own political editor here at Civic Media, Mr. Dan Schaefer, will be coming on at the bottom of the hour to discuss his brand new op-ed, causing a few waves, stirring the pot.
Usually, Todd is the pot stirrer, but not this time.
It's Dan Schaefer.
In his new article, calling on Governor Tony Evers to pass the torch and not to run.
for a third term as governor going to be talking about him.
But right now we bring on, as we always do on Wednesday, he is the host of mornings with Pat Crite low every morning from six until nine from the beautiful Lake Wissota studios.
Mr. Pat Crite low and from our nation's capital right outside of the nation's capital, the senior advisor to the Lincoln project, Mr. Trigby Olson.
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
Good afternoon.
How are you
guys?
I'm good.
I'm relieved.
I'm very relieved.
Why is that?
I guess I knew that Dan Schaefer was working on an article about, you know, reaching a certain age and, you know, hanging it up, stepping aside for younger folks to come in.
I really thought it was going to be about me.
I was very pleased that he trained his fire on someone else.
Because young Parker Olson, our new producer, was rubbing his hands together like, this is my chance.
Right.
No, the old man's going to keep broadcasting in the morning for the foreseeable future.
Pat Kretlow believes much like the Pope, he doesn't go anywhere until he dies.
He's
just
going to be, he'll be there for a while.
And I'm happy about that.
You don't need to go anywhere, Pat.
You're doing a great job.
Oh, thank you.
How are you, Todd?
You're great.
Appreciate it.
I talked to Trigvie earlier.
I said, what do you think about what's going on?
What's the Saturday?
Are you already worried about Saturdays and true Trigvie fashion?
He's like, I don't know.
I'm getting out of town.
I said Dodge, actually.
Oh, Dodge, that's right.
I'm getting out of Dodge.
You're going to be in the nation's capital for the big parade, Trigvie.
And you're happy about
politics
I didn't.
Is that part of the Bush Presidential Library?
Very good.
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I know.
It was Memorial Day weekend.
I know there is that.
All right, let's, I'm curious on you guys on a couple of takes here.
Number one, what's going on out in Los Angeles with these protests?
There has been some unrest.
Some businesses have gotten looted there.
I think they're like 15 or 20 or so.
It's in a very confined part of Los Angeles, about a mile or so square.
I've talked to friends out there.
They're like, look, most of us are like.
We don't even know what's going on.
I've condemned any sort of looting.
I've condemned violence just like January 6th violence.
There should be no violence unprovoked out in Los Angeles.
But again, first Pat, then Trig V. What's your take on this in terms of it just seems like complete overreaction to me
by on the part of the Trump administration.
Oh, it's not overreaction.
It's provocation is what it is.
It's exactly what they want on the issue that they want.
They knew there was going to be pushback, though I for one.
would not be surprised if some of the people that are smashing windows and things like that aren't exactly upset about ICE, if you know what I mean.
You know, I don't doubt that there are some Trump-friendly agitators that would like to provoke this and provoke anything out there.
It's all for that.
It's something that they want to do in other cities that have, you know, Democratic administration.
I would not be surprised if Donald Trump talked about sending troops to Milwaukee.
He's talked about that in the past.
So why wouldn't he?
This again is an administration that is not deporting as many people as the Obama administration did, or as the George W. Bush administration did.
So why do they need troops now?
Why do they need these Home Depot raids now?
Because it
It is a very intentional way of taking our race-based policy and saying, you know, we're not even pretending anymore.
We're just rounding up whatever brown people we can.
We're sending them on their way.
If anybody protests, then we hide behind police.
We love doing that law and order thing until it actually comes time to protect them.
We're bringing in troops.
We're not giving them a place to sleep.
We're not adequately setting up the logistics to give them food and water and everything else.
It is all just one big play.
by somebody who is probably read all of everything Trigvie's written about authoritarians and using it as a roadmap, you know, and saying, yeah, let's do these things.
That's a great segue.
Trigvie, of those that might not know, you've actually taken on authoritarianism around the world on the ground.
Pat's point, guys like me could talk about all this seems to be authoritative or fascism.
If someone who's lived it,
Where are we at in terms of stages?
Is this a very early stage?
Are we kind of getting deeper into this?
How concerned should we be by the things that Pat just mentioned?
That's what he just exposed right here.
Wow.
Required reading, absolutely.
I mean, it should be the show notes of this
You know, today I wrote about dehumanization and we're well into that aspect of the move towards political extremism.
And, you know, there is a dehumanization that is going on.
And that's a slippery slope, right?
Because when you start dehumanizing one group of other, it very quickly can cascade into demonizing a whole other group of others.
You know, to Pat's point,
Would it be beyond some of these people to try and throw up a false flag?
You know, I think there's a lot of them where they've gotten so far out over their skis, they think the ends justifies any means.
And the violence, you know, to be honest, if the violence is coming from the left, one of the rules of dealing with autocrats is don't hand the other side battering rams.
And it is important for people to recognize that that is the one thing that actually turns people towards Trump's policies, not against them.
Which is why I said what I said.
I would not be surprised to mention false flags or plants.
And I'm not saying there's not knuckleheads involved in these.
We're talking Los Angeles for goodness sakes.
But to take it to another point of who are you dehumanizing?
it's not just the left, it's a particular part of the left as well and I'm referring to the media.
You've seen already reporters essentially targeted, I mean quite literally targeted, shot in the leg with a rubber bullet, roughed up by you know, you know, officers of one sort or another.
That again is intentional.
They're trying to govern, not govern, rule by intimidation.
Again, that's the thing that autocrats do.
And so it's not just about Los Angeles.
It's not just about Gavin Newsom.
It's about, again, cowering the media, which
brings me to an unrelated point, but I'm going to make it anyway.
If for folks who didn't see the live Broadway presentation of Good Night and Good Luck with George Clooney on CNN over the weekend, go find it or go find the movie from 20 years ago, because the parallels to McCarthyism to now are striking.
And you'll see that in the show just as you see it right now on the evening news.
If you think that it won't come to Madison, Wisconsin or Milwaukee or Chippewa Falls or River Falls or Baraboo or Green Bay, you're kidding yourself.
It will eventually come there too.
And it won't be, it won't be, it will be the cops on the street, the military on the street.
It won't be.
If it gets to that, it will, you don't think that you're safe just because you're living in Chippewa Falls or River Falls or wherever.
There's reporting already today that Trump is kind of naming next tier of cities that he's going to target to deploy forces in and Chicago is on that very close obviously to Milwaukee.
Also reporting today by various news sources, television stations in California that ICE is now going into fields, farm fields in California where strawberries are being picked and whatnot and trying to round people up like that.
whether or not you see it directly, the price of strawberries in Chippewa Falls and Richland Center and Amory is gonna go up a lot more very soon.
That's obviously a far lesser point, but it will affect people.
Gonna come back, talk to you about Pat and Trigvie a little bit more and talk about the real implications of what's going on out in Los Angeles.
And also, what's going on with Democrats?
We'll come back to discuss that.
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This is what it means the Trump policies when it comes to your community.
He's a good kid now facing deportation back to a country he barely knows.
No kid our age should be going through what he's going through.
He's alone.
He's in a jail cell right now all by himself.
These are the friends
and soccer teammates of
Emerson, Kalindra's Bakadano.
The grad came to the US with his family from Honduras over a decade ago seeking asylum.
The case and appeal was denied with a final removal order in 2023.
But the family says they were never told to leave regularly checking in with ICE, including on Wednesday.
This facility in Blue Ash is where Emerson was asked to check in.
It's where an ISAP program is run by ICE.
That's Intensive Supervision Appearance Program.
It is an alternative to detention and Emerson soccer coach says when he arrived, there were ICE agents waiting for him.
That's when they informed us that they were detaining and deporting Emerson only.
Now the teen is facing deportation to a country he hasn't known for over half his life.
No explanation was given.
And he didn't commit a violent crime, didn't do anything.
He just was checking in because he was told to.
Yes.
Yeah, Emerson's one of the best kids I've ever met.
The emotions are still raw for Brian Williams, his longtime soccer coach.
We don't know what we can do, but we're...
doing whatever we can.
For his soccer teammates, that's sharing a reminder that each deportation case has a face and a story.
He's like the best player I've ever
seen.
He's dedicated.
He wants to win.
He would always talk about God and just like everything that he's done for him.
A great teammate, great person.
A young man facing the consequences for an immigration decision, he was too young to make himself.
It's not like you had to say and whether he could or couldn't come.
He just lived his life, grew up as a kid.
I just wanted to be here to show that I support him and I support anybody that's going through this because it's just not
fair.
Andrew Rowan, WCPO 9 News.
Pat
Kretlow brought here at eight years old, stellar athlete, stellar student, made friends, doing everything right.
And he's gone.
What the hell's
wrong
with this country?
A criminal is in charge.
I mean, what are you gonna say?
A convicted criminal is running the country, is letting people out on pardons, pardoned all the people that were beating up cops on January 6th, rounding up people who are simply trying to work hard, or rounding up now children.
This is the kind of criminal enterprise that we now have running this country for whatever reason.
We can't go back and change the election.
So we have to do what we can in the courts or through resistance or through, you know, the next round of elections that come up.
But what's happening here is nothing short of criminal.
And let me make clear one of the things I will not settle for when this administration is finally gone.
We're not turning the other cheek this time.
There was a lot of talk when Barack Obama got elected.
It's like, you know, let's not go back and, you know, fighting a war over weapons of mass destruction.
No, no, no, no, no.
This time, there will be accountability.
Trigby Olson, this could be one of your daughter's friends.
I mean, we have kids like this in every community who are dreamers, who had no choice.
They were brought here as kids, did everything right, and now they got no opportunity.
Yeah, there's a again it gets back to again it gets back to sort of cruelty is the them and fear are the goal Because ultimately the the objective is control and fear and cruelty are our means for exercising control I mean the ultimate extreme of that is you know
Vladimir Putin saying to the people of Ukraine, either you join us or I kill you.
But it's the same thing at its foundation.
Do you think we travel around the state before the election?
We heard a lot of people that were supporting Trump saying, well, he's not going to go that far.
The courts will stop him.
Do you think any of these voters have any regrets?
Maybe a few.
maybe a few, but there was just another example in the past hour or so on social media.
There was a headline in The Hill that had something like, Harris' latest lie that the army is going to round people up.
Well, no, she was right.
She was about pretty much everything about Trump.
And I'm not letting people off the left way easier than I'm on the right because they're all kinds of people that's showing up and said genocide, Joe, I can't vote for Kamala.
She's a lesser of two evils.
And now you got what's his name?
Huckabee, who is the ambassador to Israel saying, no, we're not going to do a two state solution.
That's over.
Well, how'd that work out lefties?
That's so great.
They should listen to us.
Just listen to us more.
That's all we can tell you.
Right.
I don't know.
Listen to Todd and Old Man Trig V. We will not steer you wrong.
Sorry to end on that down note.
When we come back, more positivity from Dan Schaefer.
right, I gotta run, guys.
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He is the founding editor there of the founder of recapabulation area also our political editor Here at civic media and I said this I think yesterday on the show Dan Schaefer that Maggie Gao and Brick a cut of back from the governor's office are probably gonna need to spend some time there because after what you wrote They're probably feeling a little discombobulated
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And yesterday, Dan Schaefer, you published an op-ed in which you made a little bit, as Dan is Bob Schieffer at CBS likes to say, made a little bit of news.
Made a little bit of news.
Stirring the pot a little bit.
Decided to.
to go out and plant a flag on this one.
I wrote, the title of the piece is called, Pass the Torch.
Tony Evers should not run for a third term as governor.
Basically the larger premise of the piece is that Evers needs to do what so many other Democrats have not done and step aside when the time is right.
And I think Evers who will be 75 in November 2026 when he is on the ballot.
When he would be on the ballot if he decides to seek a third term I think it would be the best decision for him now to Step aside and pass the torch to the next generation of leaders in Wisconsin
I've seen it.
It's very well written as you always do.
I think it's very thoughtful.
Did you come to write this just from your own?
Thoughts or is this based on your reporting the people the sources you've talked to within the Democratic Party with outside and just thinking you know I'm not sure this guy has a real shot again
Well, you know, I've talked to a number of people as I put this together I've had this in the works for a while.
It's something I've been thinking about quite a bit and I think it
Yes, it is very much colored by what happened with Joe Biden's catastrophic 2024, the debate, the dropout, everything connected to it.
But I think it is beyond that.
I think Evers could still be a very strong candidate if he does run again.
But I also think there is a whole lot of risk involved with running a candidate.
in his mid-seventies for an important office like this.
And I'm not saying there is a direct one-to-one comparison between Tony Evers and Joe Biden.
Joe Biden was a particularly unpopular president.
Tony Evers is a popular purple state governor.
But I think Democrats have to recognize that they have had a real problem with this.
It's not just Biden.
There have been eight congressional Democrats.
since 2022 who have died in office at three since last fall's election You know at one point at what point are Democrats going to stand up and recognize that they have a problem here and Actually passed the torch to the next generation of leaders and I think back to you know 2007 2008 I think part of what was so thrilling about Barack Obama's rise at the time is because it seemed like he was ushering in this new generation
of leadership that Democrats seemed like the party of the future.
I don't think you can really say that about the Democratic Party right now.
It's not just Biden.
It's not just these other folks who have spent too much time in office.
You know, even just look at the U.S.
Senate, there are more senators over the age of 75 than there are senators younger than the age of 50.
And of those senators who are over 75,
I think nine of 12 of them are Democrats and this has been such a problem for the party.
I don't see how we are not having this conversation about evers about passing the torch.
So what's your what's your in writing this article at the Reconpopulation Area, what's your biggest concern Danny?
Is it really about
what could happen to evers personally like hey you know let's get a little long on the tooth here anything could happen let's not let's avoid having the possibility or a greater possibility of a biden-esque moment or are you using kind of evers as the holy crap we as the democratic party here or the democratic party we just need to move on
i think it's a little bit of both i think there is also an element of this that the by staying on uh for another term it
stymies the other larger development of the party.
And I think there may be been some other moments where the Democratic bench has not been as strong.
I think there are a number of qualified candidates who would be throwing their hats into the ring if Evers decides not to run.
And I think given the larger dynamics of the history of a midterm election, given the field of Republicans, which I think is
really poor right now that could be running for governor in a couple years.
I think the time is right to pass the torch and let the next generation of leaders rise.
And I think there's also this problem, too, that Democrats have, to their detriment, gone out of their way to avoid a primary.
I think everything that happened with Kamala Harris last year was considering the timeline and everything.
It was an acceptable enough process, but it still wasn't a particularly good one.
I think we would have been better off having the voters decide.
I think that would also have been the case had we had a more competitive primary in the 2022 Senate race.
I think there is this kind of iron sharpens iron quality.
of having, you know, more competitive primaries that Democrats to their detriment have avoided.
And as so many people are looking for, you know, what should be the next path forward for Democrats?
Who's the Joe Rogan of the left?
Should we go with abundance or populism or whatever it is?
How about we just have the voters decide?
How about we get back to that small D Democratic principles and putting it to the voters and letting the people decide?
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He is also our political editor here at Civic Media talking specifically about an op-ed he wrote yesterday and published calling for Governor Evers not to run for a third term.
Dan, I'm enormously entertained by this and intrigued by it.
Like I said, A is really well written.
But here we have, and you've been pretty open about this, that you leave
more democratic when it comes to your political ideology.
Me, a former Republican who left the party in 2011, but has voted Democratic ever since, and you would think maybe, well, Todd will be all, this is great.
I mean, Todd will be all for it.
I'm generally a pot stirrer, but here now, see, I guess maybe it's my old school in me, because I'm not quite there yet.
I mean, if Evers is on the ticket,
Yes, I'm gonna support him regardless of because I think that there's nobody on the Republican side who's not a sycophant a Genuflector to Trump and I think that's dangerous but here's my concern Dan Schaefer and I was listening to you filling in for Maggie Dawn with Angel Lang and Matt Ross Child yesterday you all did a fantastic job and I thought Angela Lang said something really interesting and correct me because I'm gonna paraphrase it as I recall it and and she said something along the lines of
And she's a longtime organizer in the Milwaukee area.
She said something along the lines of, I think in this time of Trump and kind of extremist rightism, that there's a lot of Democrats, particularly in the progressive base, who don't want a centrist anymore, who don't want this kind of milk toastiness, that they want somebody harder on the left.
And that's my concern, that if Evers doesn't run, there's gonna be this wide open democratic primary, and that the progressive base is going to nominate more of
lefty who is not going to sit well in a general election.
And then we get that idiot Shulman or somebody else in the governor's seat.
And then it's, you know, Katie bar the door.
Here we go.
Well, I think my issues with Evers have never really been like a real ideological difference or or a, um, you know, policy differences.
And so, and, but I think if, you know, just the short list of candidates that I mentioned on there, would you
pluck out any of them to say that they are particularly far left.
So I'll just run
through the list
quickly.
Attorney General Josh Call, State Senator Calderois, Lieutenant Governor Sarah Rodriguez, Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley, Secretary of State Sarah Godluschi, and I'm probably missing some, and you know soon to be former chair Ben Wickler.
Is there anybody in that group that you would consider to be part of like the progressive
left leaning wing of the party that you think might have trouble with in, you know, capturing some voters like yourself, some more independent minded.
kind of towards the center.
I think I'm a bad example because I've just been through too much politically.
Otherwise, I'm going to vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that is, because I'm opposed to Trumpism.
And I don't think there's anybody in Wisconsin, Republican politics that's a possibility candidate for governor who's not part of Trumpism.
So I'm a poor example.
I will say people in, as they say, outstate people, not Milwaukee and Madison, people in more rural areas of the state.
To answer your question directly, I've.
had the pleasure of meeting all the people that you mentioned.
They're all fine with me.
There's there's nobody there I personally have a problem with.
What I'm concerned of is to win the Democratic primary.
How far left do they have to go?
What position?
I mean, Josh Call.
I mean, he's seen his milk toast.
He didn't go after the fake electors in Wisconsin.
I don't think he could win a Democratic primary.
Keller Royce.
I think she's very smart, a great senator.
She has been a little bit out of state, but.
I don't know how she's going to play statewide.
She lost the primary once for a governor of the Democratic primary.
Sarah Galuski, I think she's fine.
I hear her husband has financial issues that could come up in a general election.
That may stymie her.
I think Sarah Rodriguez is fantastic.
That would be my pick, but.
You know, she's not super well known right now.
Of course, that can be solved with money.
Guess what?
Who else do we leave out?
Ben Wickler, fantastic chair.
We're going to get to that in a minute.
I think he should be DNC chair still.
But, you know, he's never been an actual elected official.
How does that play?
So there's just a lot of unknowns and in a time in our state where Governor Evers veto pen is the only thing keeping us from being Florida or Texas politically.
Do we want to take that chance?
Well, I think, you know, we can't be so risk averse that people are afraid of their own voters, right?
I think, you know, to have to want to control the scenario as much as I think some do, I think that, you know, gives fewer opportunities to really have the conversation.
We don't know how these candidates might run until the rubber hits the road, until this goes from the hypothetical to the reality.
And I think, again, we can't.
be so risk averse that we're afraid that Democrats are afraid of their own voters.
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Talking about this great article he wrote yesterday op-ed calling for Governor Evers not, not to seek
reelection off of the YouTube channel, Tony says, I'm generally anti older candidates.
Gee, thanks, Tony.
But Evers feels a little different.
I really love the guy.
Dan, people, people really do love me.
I mean, his last Marquette Law School poll is numbers like still 60 plus likability and favorability.
Well, it wasn't quite that high, but he is very well liked among Wisconsin Democrats He is popular politicians in the state.
He has had demonstrated that he does have some some crossover appeal, but you know at a certain point You know that that was also the case for another former Wisconsin Democratic politician who I used as an example in this piece, too So one of the things that I talked about
And this piece was the example of Herb Cole retiring, the late Herb Cole.
In May of 2011, Herb Cole announced that he was going to be retiring at the end of his term.
And now this is right after Democrats got absolutely cooked in the 2010 midterms.
You know, Scott Walker won, Ron Johnson won, Republicans flipped the state legislature.
So holding that seat in 2012 was far from a sure thing.
But what happened was Cole announced that he was retiring, and here's the quote that he said in that news conference announcing his retirement.
He said, quote, the office doesn't belong to me.
It belongs to the people of Wisconsin, and there is something to be said for not staying in office too long.
So does Tony Evers want his legacy to be more like that of Herb Cole, who has a pretty unimpeachable legacy?
at this moment and got to spend his golden years riding shotgun in the car leading the Milwaukee Bucks Championship Parade, or do you want your legacy to be like that of Joe Biden, who is now spending his time dodging questions about whether or not he was mentally competent while in office, whether or not he was covering that up, and whether or not that contributed to the rise of fascism in America.
Wow.
I love every part of this.
I love every part.
Dan Schaefer, stirring it up.
Jenny, watching on YouTube as well, says, as earlier before the break, my argument was, I'm afraid the Democrats are going to mess this up and nominate somebody who's way too progressive to win in a general election.
Jenny says, everything Todd is saying is exactly the conversation Democratic voters should be included in and justifies Dan's article, exclamation point.
I think we have to be having this conversation.
This has to be a conversation that comes out of the behind the scenes off the record type of stuff to actually publicly having this conversation.
I think Democrats are so afraid of their own shadow at some times that, you know, I saw some comments out there saying, oh, you know, this is only going to be used by Republicans to sow discord among Democrats.
Do you think this conversation is not happening in
some capacity?
I know it is.
We all know this conversation is happening.
And to stand there and, you know, don't move, otherwise Republicans will notice that Tony Evers is old.
Come on, get
real.
You and I both, people have talked to both of us off the record, and these conversations have been happening for a year.
or plus all around the state of Wisconsin and in the Democratic Party.
Look, I want to get to this.
Jean, I see you, it'll clear.
I know where Jean is at.
She's a big fan of Governor Tony Evers.
She likes to say he's a work horse, not a show horse.
Jean will get you an hour too, but I want to get your take on this.
We don't have time for the clip, but Ken Martin, the DNC chair of the National Democratic Party,
was caught on tape.
It was released by Politico.
We played it yesterday.
And basically, Ken Martin is saying, I don't know if I want to do this anymore because of all the infighting out in DC.
That to me is just, again, Democrats have a problem nationally right now, in my opinion.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
It's going great with Ken Martin.
Bang up job there.
And this is part of the issue.
If you can't bring together
If you're thrown off by some disagreement within Democrats, how did you not see that coming?
This is the big tent party.
There's going to be a lot of differing opinions and all of that.
And to not see this type of thing coming is another part of the problem.
Big Democratic convention right the Dells are they part of the a text to win contest they're having their convention the Dells this weekend For a lot of long time everybody thought Joseph Peckie was a shoe in but then Wickler read the chair current chairman reverse I'm not gonna endorse anybody then he endorses his lieutenant houses come up and there's Once again, Wisconsin Democrats snatching victory or defeat the jaws of victory.
Let's hold the vote on Father's Day boy that
That was a great idea.
Yeah, yeah, well, I'm looking forward to being I'm gonna be there in the Dells Covering the vote.
So I'll be there spending part of my father's day Covering that vote.
It's gonna be a ranked choice vote, which I think is kind of interesting that having the three candidates and and Having a ranked choice vote.
So so that will be interesting.
None of the other officers have Contested races.
So like for example, Sarah Godlowski is running for first first vice chair She is going to win that race because there is no one else running for first vice chair.
So that the actual chair race
It's gonna be really interesting to follow You know, it'll it'll be interesting to see if how impactful wicklers endorsement was if that may have backfired How exactly this is all going to play out and I'm looking forward to everybody there being super thrilled with me
Can wicklers still become the DNC chair can Martin be throwing out
I mean, I would love I would love to see it.
Me too.
I'd love to see you finally on no bigger bucks fan than you
Yanis, staying in Milwaukee or no?
I think he's staying.
Yes, you heard it here first.
Check him out at the Reconbobulation area.
Mr. Dan Schaefer, thank you so much.
Appreciate you, my friend.
Thanks for having me, Todd.
Be well.
Always a pleasure.
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